Cartoon Network Studios is officially the Jesus restoration

http://fabien-mense.tumblr.com/post/153910606758/victor-and-valentino-a-pilot-created-and

>>88090385
Holy shit, I refuse to believe what that image is trying to convey. No. That's not real.

>>88090385
>>88090608
Val is just as mad as the rest of us.

>>88090385

Can we safely say that Calarts has become the cancer that is killing creativity in character design?

I don't even like UGP or TWOG, but dang, at least they're allowed to pursue styles that aren't just Rick and Morty rejects.

>>88091085
>Thought-provoking OP
>This guys derails it into the CalArts meme
The issue is with the channel, not the art school.
Both Disney and Nickelodeon have far greater variety in styles, but they both suck ass in terms of managing their shows.
Now we find ourselves with the best channel for cartoons taken over by an uniformation of the art styles that is REALLY getting obnoxious.
I'll take Star vs. or even The Suck House any day over this.

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>>88090385

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>>88090385
Looks like Kaneda

So instead of anime we got calarts.
That's just funny.

>>88090385
So what happened? Shit storyboarders?

>>88090385
>this actually got fan art
I thought infinity train utterly over shadowed it and hogged all the praise

>>88090385
I don't get it. What is that?

>>88091200
They're getting worse at managing their shows over time though.

>>88091381
>>88091385
Concept art vs final product.

>>88091385
early character designs vs the pilot's designs

>>88091381
wait ,never mind I'm fucking retarded and sleepy

>>88091353
Anime isn't an artstyle.

>>88090385
they should learn from the Simpsons

only gets better with age

>>88090385

>thinking concept art will ever be the final product

>>88090385

Is it me or does the style looks kinda like Ricky and Morty sans the weird pupils?

Please. Several years from now, you'll be tired of whatever new dominant art style is everywhere and you'll miss the Calarts style.

>Another DUDE MEXICO LMAO cartoon

Why are you guys upset that it failed?

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>>88091455
http://emises.tumblr.com/post/152789468395/have-you-ever-wanted-to-protect-two-children-so
It did get ONE piece of fanart

Yeah I was not a believer in the cal arts memes but now I'm seeing it and I'm not liking it. Like you really don't need to tweak those designs much for them to work.

>>88090385
I don't know if I would have liked it as I found the writing to be boring and lazy as well, but damn at least it would have been better to look at.

I think I would rather this was made into a comic book using the concept art style so that the artist can get really crazy with the ghost designs.

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>>88091664
Not necessarily. Nobody misses Klasky Csupo's style.

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Ruined cartoons thread?

>>88091674
Because the same thing is happening to just about every cartoons pitched at CN

>>88091664
>and you'll miss the Calarts style.
That is literally never going to happen

Reminder that anyone who cries about the Calarts meme is either an unemployed animation major or a soon-to-be-unemployed animation student.

>>88091699
>Yeah I was not a believer in the cal arts memes
Really? I think it was really getting quite obvious

>>88091674
>Another DUDE MEXICO LMAO
Nothing wrong with catering to the next majority population of the US

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>>88090385
Valentino a cutie.

>>88092293
Is this animation, or a game of "spot the differences"?

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>>88090385
What the taco is this?

>>88091674
What's wrong with that exactly? The last mexico-inspired show we got was El Tigre, but as fantastic that was that was still years ago.

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>>88092776
>everybody keeps ruining Fabien Mense's great designs
It happened with Hotel Transylvania, too.

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>>88092293
Not neccesarily ruined but I wish that just one episode be made in the traditional nine month schedule just so that we could see an episode that heeds much closer to the dramatically better looking and more expressive storyboards than the show can under its six day production schedule.

>>88091640
it looks like a dozen other cartoons being produced now

>>88091085
it looks less calarts now than before. now it looks like mcfarlane

>thin outlines
>flat coloring, no shading
>saturated colors
>rounded features and designs

why is this happening in so many modern cartoons?

>>88094513
it's probably quicker, cheaper, and allows the same group of animators to work on multiple cartoons without having to switch art styles.

>>88091200
Whats with CN fuckboys bashing The Loud House at every chance they get now? Like a completely unrelated thread and you're talking about it. Based Savino owns that much real estate in your head?

>>88094749
>implying
Did you get things mixed up? The Loud House threads constantly talk about other cartoons and how superior the show is in comparison to other cartoons.

And then they make those cringeworthy image edits.

It seems like the enjoy talking about other shows more than The Loud House itself on those threads.

>>88091609
Even big budget animated movies have this problem.

>>88090385
>>88090608
You faggots are fucking pathetic. Ofcourse it wouldnt have looked likd that innthe end product. Itd be too expensive.

>>88094875
So basically, you're crying and butthurt because someone made an image of Luan shooting Wojak Steven or whatever the fuck, because fans of it within the confines of their own threads find it superior to whatever schlock is on CN right now, and therefor you need to turn every other single thread remotely tangible into a safe space for bashing a show you've probably never watched? You're the reason why CN fans are regarded as basically being on the same tier as Sonyggers.

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>>88092761
>>88092293
I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembered Producing Parker.

Look at this

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>>88097271
the final product. This was a result of farming out animation to the Philippines

we are living in the new hanna-barbera era

This cal art meme is coming true.

I didn't believe you guys till now.

>>88097338
>the Philippines

IT'S

>>88097743
meme magic is dangerous

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You have got to be fucking kidding me.

Who the hell animates this shit? Serious question.

>>88097271
>>88097338
I keep saying that if people just colored in their animatics and did better sound mixing, we'd often end up with something better than a fully-animated product. But there's this idea that animating the characters is always worth it, even at the price of the art.

>>88090385
Of all the bullshit changed, I do prefer the Chupacabra design in the short over the design the original design. Everything else they dumbed down is trash.

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ok you know what i don't care about how they changed the designs but for fuck sake, when are you ever going to learn how tacos are supposed to be

Is Jorge R. Gutiérrez the only guy who can get our culture right? and well he gets it right because he is mexican

im mexican and i can't get into this because i cringe at every joke, so who the hell is the target audience for this

>>88093244
HT at least did it's damndest to keep it as stylized as possible, and it honestly did a decent job of it. The abominations posted in this thread look like they got the life sucked out of them.

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>>88091406
>Concept art vs final product.

Not even close to how bad they fucked up Ben 10.

This was a storyboard.

https://tmblr.co/ZvRhTvgRqy2-

>>88099328
No one wants to eat your nasty-ass garbage tacos, stupid god damn spic.

>>88099328
How the fuck are you even supposed to the tacos on the top? That shit is already falling out of the tortilla.

Do you people know how storyboards work?

>>88099820
You're on /co/. Fucking of course not.

>>88095900
For what, drawing a little more than noodle arms and simple facial expressions? Pathetic.

>>88099820
>Implying storyboard production-to-final animation is a 100% set thing that "works" any one way between all studios.

Do YOU know how they work, anon?
Because a "storyboard" for one studio isn't necessarily the same thing for another.

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>>88097958
Weirdly enough Tito Dick "Dickman" baby. Never went to the shores of flip before and after conception. Almost everything else though, we make at the animation sweat shops. From Dragonzballz to Ponies.

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>>88099636
Like zoinks, Scoob

>>88099998
It all means the same if they export the bulk of their animation out of the state

>>88090385
>top
Mexican Akira
>bottom
Mexican Regular Show

>>88095900
Oh look, someone that had no idea how animation works.

>>88095900
THE FINAL PRODUCT ALREADY USES LIMITED AND PUPPETTED ANIMATION

THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS NOT THAT MUCH MORE COMPLICATED TO COPY, IT WAS ALREADY CARTOONY. IT DIDN'T NEED THE SHADING OR HAND-DRAWN LOOK BUT MY GOD WHY DO THE EYES HAVE TO BE PERFECT FUCKING CIRCLES. WHY IS THE HEAD A PERFECT FUCKING CIRCLE. WHY DID THEY STERILIZE THESE MICRO-CHANGES THAT RESULTED IN SUCKING TONS OF LIFE OUT OF THE CARTOONY DESIGN.

DRAWING AN OVAL INSTEAD OF A CIRCLE DOESN'T INFLATE THE BUDGET BUT IT SURE AS HELL RUINS YOUR DESIGN.

FUCK.

>Its a "Mexico" cartoon
>"Alright lets see what they got"
>Not even a minute in and they are already making tacos in a rustic little village
Vale verga la vida xddxdxd

>>88102346
>make a cartoon that takes place in a different setting
>doesn't take advantage of that
Next you will complain about ninjas being over used

>>88091406
>>88091429
The concept art is normally never close to the final product, this is the case in almost every cartoon ever. I get the whole "muh calarts" argument but you fags honestly just need to accept that as a fact. The concept in ops image would never be approved in western animation because it'd be too expensive to animate and cheapos like cn aren't about to start forking over cash for a pilot about some spics. The final designs aren't even that bad 2bh, but now that I see the concepts, they just look bad by comparison.

>>88101862
Well shit anon, enlighten us if you're so insightful on the topic

>>88102384
>Hard-Shell Tacos
>Mexican
Yeah no

>>88102495
>Be Mexican
>Mom makes hard shell tacos all the time
I don't know what you're on about, anon

>>88102430
>The concept in ops image would never be approved in western animation because it'd be too expensive to animate

Expenses come down to the studio the animation duties are being outsourced to. If the animation were expensive it would only be because of retakes required due to lack of communication between studios (for example, poorly-conveyed storyboarding). The alternative you're suggesting is that the animation is being done in the US or closer to the US. In which case I can imagine amateur animators drawing anything outside of a stabilised circle would be 'too much hard work' and so the artstyle would have to be dramatically dumbed down.

>>88102546
Then you are either a "mexican" in the US or someone who lives in the border cuz hard shell tacos are not a thing in La Republica

>>88099794
If you don't know how to eat those tacos, you are a disgrace pinche gringo

>>88099700
>>88099794
You're both retarded. When the tortilla is greasy with manteca or other oils from the meat it allows for easier handling. If you have stuff falling out that's a good sign because it means the cook stuffed it. Anything else is actually shit that only gets consumed by pussies.

Although I do frequent Taco Bell out of convenience and it has NEVER given me the shits.

>>88090385
It took me a while to realize that this cartoon is settled in Mexico and not Argentina. They were so subtle about that...

>>88102614
Well shit anono, I had to look it up but your right. I guess flautas were invented by Mexicans in the US.

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>>88092293
Storyboard's in cartoons are generally way more expressive than the final product. What you posted is a pretty bad case though.

>>88102585
The more complicated the design, the greater the chance of an animation error and shows already have to deal with that all too often even with simple designs. You're suggesting overseas animators are professional and competent but that's not true at all. They honestly don't care, it's just conveniently cheap too give them our work. It's near impossible to regulate the quality that is shipped back to us overseas. Cn also sees shows like ttgo successfully bring in good ratings which is a reason why they push for simple designs. It helps minimizes the work we resend and it still attracts attention from the kids. You do remember that they are the target audience, don't you?

>>88103213
>The more complicated the design, the greater the chance of an animation error

Take a look at the OP again and tell me the level of construction and detail in the concept art is dramatically higher than the finished product.

>>88094875
>>88096883
>fans of it
I just want to note, it's mostly just one or two guys who starts that shit.
Alright, bye.

Anon it doesn't matter. You see a simple design, execs see liabilities and risks. They don't look at it the same way we do. They wanna make and save money first, provide quality second. You ask me to reevaluate the concept design then fine; compared to the final it's much more detailed. It actually looks like a persons body as apposed to just some shapes.

>>88103807
Meant for >>88103595

>muh storyboards these foreigners ruined it waah
maybe you should start training american animators for pissant instead of scribbling some boards and calling it a day huh.
at least do the keyframes

>>88090385
My jimmies haven't been this rustled over good concept art being absolutely mangled since that French Robin Hood show that was made into 3-D for whatever reason.

>>88102670
I used to eat Taco Bell every now and again before I got a bad case of food poisoning and now even the thought of that shit makes me sick.

>>88102546
CHICANO
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>>88102670
Porque molestarte en explicale a los gringos lo que son los tacos o las tortillas anon, es como como querer convercerlos de la pizza o otras comidas que han "adoptado".

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>>88091200
>complains about thread derailing
>tries to derail thread into the Loud House house sucks thread.

>>88098798
Exactly my thoughts when Brad Neely moved to TV. Are there any other examples?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyX-pJgQl84

Why do they keep getting away with it?

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>>88105238
gay.

I've continued eating at the same Jack in the Box for 20 years, despite needing to go to the hospital for severe dehydration once, plus all the other times ive gotten the squirts.

Its completely random in what careless worker is going to stick their thumb into your food after scratching their crack, at least in fast food where they go through 234 workers every six months per store.

I also don't understand people who stave off meat or soda for months and then say it tastes like poison or whatever ridiculous shit they come up with. Ive gone on stupid fad diets (not for weight reasons, just for following foood fads), thanks to siblings and GFs, and everytime i come back to my favorite foods like a long lost pet.

>>88100125
>we make at the animation sweat shops. From Dragonzballz to Ponies.
Kind of saddens me when /co/ shits on canada for animating it's own shows. atleast it's getting better.

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>>88094638
>>88094513
Reminds me of what happened when Hanabarbara and filmation pumped out tons of cartoons. Each company stuck to it's own style for all the cartoons too.

3D animation looks so boring and uninteresting to me for some reason. I'm actually worried this may be the end of 2d though.

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>>88091085
>Can we safely say that Calarts has become the cancer that is killing creativity in character design?

Don't be fucking retarded.

People felt for the meme and now seriously believe that Calarts has anything to do with character design that is picked for the network. You guys are fucking manipulable, and turns out that putting the fault on the wrong target doesn't help AT ALL this fad to end.

Do you want to know who really is guilty? The network and the executives that are trying to make the shows as cheap as possible, with limited animation, lazily done Toonboom and a house style that is easily replicable, that allow for the animators to work on different shows without changing style.

>>88091200
>>88094749
>>88094875
>>88105670

This guy here is rgiht >>88103620

Its just one nigga know as "Twitterfag" that tries HARD to incite a cartoon/channel company war: https://desuarchive.org/co/search/text/savino%20is%20conservative/

Nigga is also always posting Lola Loud, and always being banned for derailing threads with political discussion.

Most Loudhousefags on the board are fine with other shows. Don't fall for the bait.

Has an artist ever been public with how much they dislike the studioification of their work? I'd like to see that twitter melt down.

Also please don't let any of these companies pick up Becky Prim.

>>88090385
I hate that eye "style" but as animator i can see why they all use it. No need to draw individual eye brow closings/opening nor under eye. It's just two layers parented on pegs in a white eye cutter, and you just drag the two to animate it. Ez pz.

>>88108703
>Has an artist ever been public with how much they dislike the studioification of their work?

This usually end terribly bad for the artist: see what happened with the Harvey Beaks guy when he complained about Nick.

>>88091316
You mean Tetsuo. His clothing is the same color and almost the same design. Red cape-like thing, white shirt, gray shorts. Tetsuo had a red cape, a white shirt and gray pants.

>>88098312
Either sweatshop workers in third world countries or unpaid interns.

>>88102964
you just posted one that isnt that bad.they look pretty similar.Yeah some of the sisters expressions look more panicked in the storyboard but its not that drastic

>>88090385
even if it looked liked the original drawings...it would still be shit.
hell it would be worse seeing good drawings with that shit story.At least with the bad drawings it fits the shit show that the pilot was.

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>>88091609
In anime the character designs are the designs that will actualy be used in animation.

>>88106455
How long did you quit it, weakling?

>>88109093
And that's because the entire medium is primarily dominated by this replicable, pseudo realistic style like >>88108540 mentions that cheap studios are trying to force in the west with that easy "Calarts" style. But Japan gets away with it because it has so much more variety that there's a refreshing amount of distinctness between shows. When the US tries to push a standard its this annoyingly devoid of effort looking, ugly bullshit unfortunately.

>>88108989
i thought the same thing tho desu, his hair and face are more reminiscent of Kaneda
you are right, though and I'm sure the original artist took inspiration from that

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>>88109314
There is a generally similar aesthetic that you can always recognize as anime, but it's not uniform.

The designs and what gets animated are the same thing because the character designer and animation director are usually the same person and there's no reason to come up with designs you won't actually use.

>>88105160
Fun fact: Concept art for that one was made by the same guy.

How does he feel consistently having his freelance designs turned to shit by Americans?

>>88108540
>Its just one nigga know as "Twitterfag" that tries HARD to incite a cartoon/channel company war. Nigga is also always posting Lola Loud, and always being banned for derailing threads with political discussion.

Funny enough, seems to be Greg Mazujian.

>>88109585

https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Greg_Mazujian

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>>88097271
>>88097338

>>88090385

Both the concept art and the actual animation look like shit. What is the problem here? Also it just looks like they ripped off the Akira artstyle which is not really that all impressive. /co/mblr was a mistake.

>>88092724

Would molest.

>>88091085
I have no idea why people have an issue with Calarts. We were on the verge of having flash animation tier cartoons for the next few decades until those type of cartoons took over. At least they require some bit of animation prowess.

>>88108703
they only way to harm CN, Nick and disney is to have liberals attack them.

>>88110121

But libs love Nu-CN. It will sadly never happen.

>>88110117
It happens when you and your friends meme really hard to the point you start believing in your own inside joke

>>88110117

>We were on the verge of having flash animation tier cartoons for the next few decades

Calarts IS the shitty flash animation tier Cartoons. The only difference is, it is not funded by Canada.

>>88110208

>defending bad cartoons

There's a /sug/ thread with your name on it, faggot.

>>88110243
>>88110230
The stupid part is that you think that its the SCHOOL's problem that the studio green light these shows, and not the executives.

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>>88092776
kek

>>88110293

That's all the school will promote and male the standard if that's what dumb executives greenlight. It does not help it is an expensive art school in Commiefonia that only out of touch wealthy hipsters attend.

>>88110355

*make

>>88110243
>/sug/

Now that you mention that General, SU was meme'd into the next MLP, so promptly get bent bud

>>88110041
>looks like they ripped off the Akira artstyle

Then you're obviously blind

>>88110403

You're right, they ripped it off and somehow made it even shittier.

>>88110293
Cal Arts is in the bed with major animation studios like CN. Just saying.

>>88110428
And what this have to do with the choice on art styles?

>>88109093
Why don't you post the original design from the novel? Because that got ruined by KyoAni sameface shit.

>>88110293
It does though.

CalArts basically forwards you to places like CN and shit.

And CalArts basically forces you into the cheap dull as dishwater CalArts style.

I mean for fuck sake, do you know how pisspoor their 3D courses are?

3D work is almost mandatory for any good artist right now.

>>88110483
>le kyoani le sameface
See >>88109559

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>>88110488
>And CalArts basically forces you into the cheap dull as dishwater CalArts style.

It doesn't, even OP shows that the personal style of the creators need to be changed to fit what they ask.

Pic related for example is made on modern Calarts, people there have different styles, but market and higher ups demand the same bland style because of it being a fad, cheap and quick.

>>88110591
Do you honestly think CalArts are not the ones processing for those Market and higher ups?

Why do you think it's called "CalArts" style?

>>88092776
This one doesn't look so bad?

So how long until this slide finishes?
We're getting there you know.
Industry trends show that it would be cheaper and more efficient to switch entirely over to go-animate .
Think about it. That's CN's endgame.
They're standardizing a flat art style that looks the same amongst they're shows, they're slowly making it simpler, and the OP looks a bit bootleg mcfarlane. And you don't have to pay voice actors.
It's coming, mark my words.

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>>88110642
>Do you honestly think CalArts are not the ones processing for those Market and higher ups?

Yes, because its a stupid reasoning.

>Why do you think it's called "CalArts" style?

Because you got caught up on a ironic meme andar thought that Washington true, or because you are using out of context ramblings of J.K.

>>88110708
Well, your gif right there shows how CalArts promotes fucking awful art.

>>88110708
>Because you got caught up on a ironic meme andar thought that Washington true

Fuck, sorry.

Meant: if /co/ really made you think that was Calarts, them you are stupid as fuck considering that a good portion of these cartoons that originated this style aren't created by Calarts students or even made on USA.

>>88090385
Wait wait wait wait.....

.....

.....

Wait.....

So........ you can't possible mean that they took the art on the top of that image, ran it through the Cartoon Network corporate-approval-machine, and turned it into the art I see on the bottom of that image.... can you?

>>88110734
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendleton_Ward

>Ward is a graduate of the CalArts Animation Program

Nah, you're a moron defending probably the worst institute for hampering animation in forever.

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>>88110730
Showing off more animation than style.

>>88110767
You clearly has no idea on what you are talking about.

>>88110767
AT doesn't even follow the Calarts style meme.

>>88110591
>>88110708
>>88110800
A century later and they still just make cartoons.

>>88095900
it's not more expensive to make a face not being a sphere. The artist has all the tools he needs to convey the top design correctly without cost overhead.

>>88110820
>Simple geometric designs
>Zero bone structure
>Can easily be replicated

>>88110844
It's the CalArts design studio. Never go beyond trying to copy something from CN. Don't work on your professional level Anatomy and prose because we're training you to be Animation slaves so we don't need to outsource to Korea.

>>88110846
The More detailed something is, the more their army of cheap interns used to animate frames need to copy an artstyle not made so 13 year olds can copy it.