The first JEAN GREY ongoing is from Dennis Hopeless and Victor Ibanez

>>88082795

>“The first thing I reread was Brian Michael Bendis’s All-New X-Men run… I’m obviously pretty familiar with it, but Teen Jean was born there and I want to make sure I have her,” Hopeless continued. “I love the Scott/Jean/Emma triangle from Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely’s New X-Men. I pulled that back out. Then a ton of Classic Claremont issues. I don’t clean my office very often so I was actually able to pull out my X-Men: Season One Jean notes (from five years ago) which helped a lot. I’ll keep reading stuff as we go to make sure we’re not leaving any cool on table.”

>Although Grey will be front-and-center in her solo title, her teammates from the upcoming X-Men: Blue will appear, as well as some more obscure choices inside and outside the X-sphere.

“Well, Jean is on X-Men: Blue, so her displaced teammates will be supporting cast members for sure,” Hopeless confirmed. “We also chose a premise that allows us to take advantage of the whole Marvel Universe. Jean will be bouncing all over the place, learning from and battling our favorite heroes and villains. Fans can expect lots of guest stars and crazy locales. And anyone who doesn’t think Boom Boom and Domino will make appearances hasn’t been paying attention.”

>And given Grey is preparing for the return of the Phoenix Force to Earth, other previous and storyline-future hosts of that cosmic entity could also factor into this ongoing title.

>“I have a post-it note on my laptop with this growing Phoenix list: Quentin Quire? Hope Summers? Rachel? Phoenix Five?” Hopeless said. “I’m not 100% sure who we’ll use or how exactly, but that’s definitely part of the plan.”

>There’s a responsibility to do something unique in Jean Grey’s first-ever ongoing series according to Hopeless, and it’s something he said he’s taking “very seriously.” But he’s being careful not to let the pressure sap out the life of the story.

>>88082799

>“Two words: Sales juggernaut,” Hopeless said. “No, I just want us to tell a fun, human story that taps into Jean’s brain and reminds the world how amazing she is. The beauty of solo books is that you really get to dig into a single character. There’s so much more space for character work. Team books are about juggling and plate spinning. Solos are about focus. If we do our job, fans will know and love Jean. That’s what I want.”


Sauce: http://www.newsarama.com/32188-jean-grey-s-first-ever-ongoing-is-coming-and-so-is-the-phoenix.html


So RIP:
>all existing X-Men team titles started as part of ANAD Marvel

>>88082795
>Hopeless
Whelp.

>>88082845
What an accurate name.

>>88082795
> the phoenix is back in play and earth is doomed unless jean steps up

Isn't this what Hope is for? Isn't this why you had the big dumb event where at the end the Phoenix found a host?

Oh god what happened to her face.

Jean what have they done to you.

Containment book

>>88082886
If only.

Scott Summers died for this...

>>88082795
>hopeless
how did marvel know how I felt about the resurrexion?

>>88082845
Yeah, a Jean Grey ongoing was already iffy to me, but then I saw
>series writer Dennis Hopeless
and the rest of my interest completely disappeared.

Will Maddie Pryor be in this?

Reeeeeee

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>>88082795
>>88082799
>>88082814

Another great announcement for X-Fans everywhere. ResurreXion is looking like an olive branch from editorial to the fans.

This males me happy only because the book is going to be shit Thanks to Hopeless and teen Jean is a shit character, they deserve each other

>>88082886
Nope. Hopeless is still writing Spider-Woman.
Also, Jean Grey is the leader of X-Men Blue.

>X-Fags actually thinking Marvel still cares about them
lmao I wonder how hard they'll drop the ball with Cable.

>>88082795
He can't write team books. Spider-Woman after Spider-Verse (and Land) is good. Maybe there is hope...

>>88082795
Should I just give up all hope for XCable being good now, guys?
Just Resurroion my shit up.

>>88082799
>Boom Boom and Domino
Fuck you, Hopeless. Fuck you up the ass with a rusty shovel.

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>>88082795
>that one anon who said the only books left were Weapon X and Cable and Hopeless might be tolerable on those
>he forgot about the Jean Grey book Hopeless is a terrible fit for

>>88082795
BWAHAHAHAHA

>>88083309
>what is cable and x-force
Let me help you, that is his only good book

>>88083299
>Kate Leth
>it's Cable book in name only, he'll never appear
>instead it'll be about Hope

>>88083367
Cable and x-force is mediocre. Fun, but mediocre. Spider-Woman is better

>>88083384
no, it will be a book about a literal cable

>>88083355
Is not like anyone in /co/ was going to read a Jean grey book anyway

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>>88083299
An original transexual eskimo character will lead the series where he takes up the mantle of Cable.

They literally just did a musical chairs on the X-Books. Anyone got dibs on where Lemire is landing on? It's gonna be a fucking team book I bet.

>>88083393
>oh god, he's going to watch porn again

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>>88083391
Only if you are one of Those Carol x Jessica shippers

>>88083384
>it's Cable book in name only, he'll never appear
>instead it'll be about Hope
I'd actually read a Hope book if it weren't written by somebody terrible.

>>88083424
Weapon X, if that's going to be team book.

>>88082795
>Hopeless
>Recycling the Pheonix Saga again

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

>>88083404
A Jean book that went way over the top could've been cool. Basically a one-man Ultimates ongoing.

>>88083233
not sure if serious

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>>88082795
So its the Hope Summers/Phoenix Five recycled?

Will Jean fight the Avengers? The Avengers didnt apologized that they were rushing it and caused the Phoenix Five in the end?
Or was it Stark who kinda did.

But now its Ok because its young/phoenix unprepared Jean?

Im fine if its for the story, but status quos of powers are changed too quick now that made a story essential before.

>>88082795
So i guess this means lemires is going to be either doing cable or weapon x take you're bets.

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>>88082795
i don't even know what to say, when will the ride end ?

>>88083546
if lamire is doing cable i would be actually hype for that

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>>88083447
More like the phoenix five story but now its jean and there is no cyclops, so its good with the other superheroes?

>>88083547
When Marvel (and Disney) go bankrupt.

>>88083424
Depends. Are Old Man Logan and or Extraordinary even ending?

>>88082795
Was it hopeless that did the Inferno secret wars thing?
That sucked.

>>88083583
Extraordinary is def ending. There's literally nothing to separate it from the Gold book other than Kitty Pryde

>>88083587
Yeah, that was him.

>>88083587
Yep.

>>88083608
>>88083611
I bought the trade cause the concept sounded awesome. Colossus charging into hell to save his sister? Hell yeah.
And then I actually read it..

>>88083648
My condolences.

How can DC even compete?

>>88083695
most of x-fags already jumped the ship to Dc
well, at least I did

>>88083695
They can't, Jean solo ongoing is one of the most asked titles. DC literally can't compete.

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>>88082795

So what everyone thought was true. Marvel just shat out some X-titles to save face and shoved their bottom tier writers and artists on it.

>>88083723
the question is: will it sell?

>>88083737
No.

>>88083737
I doubt it. Jean Grey twenty years ago? Weak maybe. Jeen in 2016? Fuck no.

>>88083780
Good

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>>88083703
Not really, we ar still there, but we got picky.
And dont buy all that comes out.

I guess it started with all re-numbering and the flood od solo-series.

>>88083723
More like hope the X-Men sales compensate their other failed books.
But as far as i get it will only be the core books that will sell.

>>88083737
Probably as well as all the other crap they've been pushing.
So hovering around cancellation levels.

>>88083790
I really want marvel to fall on their face hard
It would be a poetic justice

>>88083797
>Not really, we ar still there
your loss. I guess that the last of you will have to turn off the lights at marvel offices

>>88083830
Yep, ditto. I feel insulted with Ressurrexxion.

MEHsurrexxion.

>>88083841
The best way to punish marvel is not supporting anything by it, until they have to ship all of their books for free to the retailers

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>>88083830
>your loss. I guess that the last of you will have to turn off the lights at marvel offices
Maybe, i think we will make it with Spidey and Kamela fans.

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>>88083282
>Team mentored by Magneto
>Written by Bunn

Even with Marvel's push on Tean Jean/Carrie lite there's no way she'll have more prominence than Bunn's boi.

The book itself could go either way. Hopeless is pretty horrible across the board, Cable & the X-force and his Inferno mini being exceptions. It's also funny since he's been on the O5, but specifically not writing Jean since she's on Extraordinary so there's not much frame of reference for how he'll write her.

Any attempt to try and present her as a budding heroine with admirable qualities goes down the gutter given that she's been a controlling, power abusing, self interested twat that bends her so called 'friends' to her will to serve her purposes.

>Mind raped Angel into becoming content with staying in the present, despite his genuine concerns they were fucking up the timestream and his worries about his own future since no-one would bother to tell him just how screwed up his life would become
>Forcibly outed Bobby from the closet, shot down any possibility of him being bisexual and then proceeded to do the same thing to present Bobby, inserting herself into what should have been a private moment between the two in the guise of 'support' for her friend
>Yanked Scott and Hank around toying with their feelings for her and never committing to either while still expecting complete attention and devotion so much so that Scott fucked off to go into space with his dad. Even after sticking with Beast they split up by the time Extraordinary started, citing that she just wanted to be an average college student.

All this shit and Marvel still presents her like pic related, where she's some saint who will mature into a major pillar of strength and support for all mutantkind. The hell out of here with that nonsense.

She's famous for being the Phoenix and the meat between a Scott and Logan sandwich, hardly the most heroic of characteristics. She's getting the Danvers push and it shows.

>>88083883
spidey probably, but kamala doesn't have as many fans as she used to it. she got overshadowed by gwenpool

>>88083583
Extraordinary is since look at the Gold team we don't know about Old Man Logan though the book does sell pretty well so I would think they would keep it around.

>>88083883
I think you're overestimating kamela fans and spideyfags though ya they'll be the ones to shut the light's off i mean if they can survive OMD, Clone saga and sins past there really nothing that can fully kill them. I should know i somehow did.

>>88083960
Crap didn't mean to put the 'and' there

>>88082795
>>88082795
>Hopeless
Is Jean going to get pregnant out of nowhere and adopt a monniker for her soon to be bf? Will she have a subtexted romance with magneto?

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>>88083909
I dont meant that there are masses. But that these are the ones that will stay to the end.

Well at the very least he's stuck in that shitty book about a shitty character I will never care about apart from celebrating her death.

>Emmaposter
>supporting Marlel
>in Jeen thread
Shills are evolving.

>>88084030
And what I meant is that Gwenpool is the new flavor of the month and her popularity is really dwindling, in terms of devotion

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>>88083978
>>88083960
But they are loyal. Thats what i refer to. Not that there are masses of them (us).

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So what's left?
Soule taking Weapon X for Wolverines 2 - Electric Boogaloo
and
Lemire on Cable? Maybe we'll get Duggan, but I doubt it.

So all-in-all it looks like we're in for another year of Bunn being the one-eyed among the blind and another year of terrible and forgettable X-books.

>>88083569
>Oh no, the phoenix is coming!

Oh, who gives a shit. As long as it isn't bringing that monster Scott Summers with it. That awful mutant Terrorist!

>Rogue, Wanda, and Magneto are dropping in for tea.

Excellent!

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>>88082795
>ongoing for a character no one wants one for, written by an author no one wants to read

I wonder how this will turn out.

Marvel is really bad with the pandering, they're shit when pandering to SJWs and they're shit when pandering to Xfags, how hard can it be to successively pander to a group for fuck's sake?

>>88084093
If history is any indication? 8 issues and an unexpected EoE style ending where the characters sit in a chair and pretend to be deep.

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>>88084050
Hey, i like Jean, but not O5 Jean.

And if you read what i wrote, i`m not very positive on Resx, just only hoping that it will kickstart something in Marvel that they change in the future.

>>88084059
Sure, they kinda do the Deadpool route, which isnt working for her, she doesnt have a movie or a game. She feels like a new tad, copying the Deadpool treatment but fails.

>>88084110
It's not that pandering doesn't work, it's just that they mistake giving people shit with giving people actual human shit.

No surprise then, as one works a whole lot better than the other.

>>88084147
What I'm trying to say is that if they actually wanted to successively pander to X-fags they would have announced good books with decent to good creative teams instead of this poor shit. It's like they take one step before falling and breaking their nose.

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>>88084087
It feels like

>We kinda know what we should do
>But we dont want to backpaddle

>>88084091
But still its cheap.

>>88082795
I feel like I'm the only person on /co that likes Hopeless, so I'm okay with him being the writing and with Ibanez on art it sounds like a must buy to me.

>>88084093
Maybe like the Magneto, Cyclops, Nightcrawler, Iceman vol.1, Emma, Mystique. It will just be a mini series. Maybe try to run 12-24 issues but if it starts good, after creative team change or first story ark getting worse

>>88084241
>I'm buying it for the art!
When will this meme end?

Was there anyone that was actually looking forward to this in the first place?

>>88084304
Jeanfags, of course.

>>88084304
Bryan Michael Bendis

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>>88084176
If they actually wanted to pander, they wouldn't have announced a teen Jean ongoing, a gay Iceman ongoing, a team about the exact worst teen characters in existance right now and yet another fucking time-displaced O5 book.
It's just more of the same shit X-fans are already sick off, no matter who's writing.
The fact that the writers then ALSO suck is just the icing on the cake.

This has been the worst weeks ever for us X-Fags, culminating with Saturdays MVC4 announcement. One gut punch after another.

Jesus Christ, they just renamed ANX and EXM and baited us with Jim Lee era titles, Gen X and Iceman are done by amateurs. I feel zero hype for Jean Grey, X-Men Season One was one of the dullest O5 X-Men stories ever.

Marvel is purposely setting up the X-Men to fail again and it sucks, they're glad to take our money every week but they wont even attempt to give us a decent product in return.

So this is just going to be yet another Phoenix story? Does Jean have any stories centered around her that don't involve Phoenix or men trying to get in her pants?

>>88084345
At least they killed Cyclops, stories can grow and develop now when editors aren't pushing him.

>>88082795
>Hopeless

Was there ever a writer more accurately named?

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>>88084304
Nope, the only good x-men mini/solo series was Rouge and Storm Vol.1.
X-characters dont work well as solos.

>>88084382
Also Miller Claremont Wolverine.

>>88083282
>Jean Grey is the leader of X-Men Blue.

How can Scott Summers be on a team and not lead it? How would that even work?

>>88084176
What part of me calling this book human shit, like the iind that comes out of a human ass, did you miss?

People Are asking for shit, but not for actual literal shit.

>>88084241
>I'm the only person on /co that likes Hopeless
Why? What has he written that you actually liked?

I'm not being rhetorical just to be an ass here, I'm genuinely curious.

>>88084397
You remember what happened last time you had Hitler leading team?

>>88084382
Magik's solo was good. Nightcrawler's was decent too.

>>88084345
>culminating with Saturdays MVC4
Oh man, that's gonna suck.
And it's funny, because we've been predicting this to suck for years before this even started development.
Making MVC4 in the current climate at Marvel is a terrible, terrible mistake and it will leave most of the fans of the series sorely disappointed because most of the main-stays will be gone.

>>88084275
I literally asked my LCS clerk for a blind rec based on the art and they gave me Monstress v.1. I don't regret it in the slightest.
I used to not care much for Liu's writing, but the Karma issue of AXM made me somewhat of a fan.

>>88084397
It fucking won't. The only thing they're going to let Tyke lead is a "why is Jean kissing someone else" pity party, every single issue for the rest of forever.

Then they have meetings and wonder why people asking for a Rightclops book are bitching about all these Scott Summers books they're putting out. They're fucking retarded.

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>>88084382
i enjoyed those marvel icons books. the cyclops and havok ones were fun to me

>>88084382
>Mystique, Magneto, select runs of Cable
It all depends on the team and their ideas.

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>>88084394
You are right, i kinda excluded Wolverine. His Wolverine: Old man logan was good too.
His character is a solo in itself.
He doesnt really count, since it depends on the team that have an endgoal for the series.

What is everyone's obsession with this woman? She is treated as if she is the only one in the world, being everyone's mother, sister, and wife at the same time.

>>88084362
No. That's why a whole lot of people call her a terrible character.
No matter what book she's in, it always ends up being about her.
If Jean were ever just a normal member of the team, she'd be utterly superfluous and forgettable. So every plot ends up being about her. Either directly with the Phoenix or indirectly because of love triangle bullshit.

>>88084371
>being this wrong

Look at the state of these offerings. You guys have been claiming for years that editorial's pushing of Clyclops was getting in the way of your characters, well. Here we are. How are your characters doing now?

>>88084440
It's probably going to be mostly comprised of any character with a movie and some others they'll try to IP shill. I'd be surprised if we don't get Thanos and I can only pray that Starlin somehow does a black magic ritual to get Adam Warlock into the roster.

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>>88084427
Missed Magiks solo. But i thought nightcrawlers first issues was meh, so i didnt bought it.

>>88084479
I disliked Cyclops. And it seems i missed some solos, didnt remember Havok.

>>88084202
>cheap

No it's horrible. It makes everyone look like a bunch if inconsistent retards. They kicked kids in the teeth to stop the Phoenix a year ago (mcu time), but just watch those mother fuckers help Jean get it.

Fucking marvel man.

So, what I'm gathering from this is that I'll be getting X-Men: Blue simply for Bunn, and continuing to post ">b-but Bunn" for a long fuckng time unless they put Spurrier on XCable.

>>88082799
>Hope
Oh pls no, she's just gonna fellate Jean instead of putting this cunt in her place because Hopeless can't be consistent with his own characterization.
I never asked for this.

At least she's safe from the M-pox.

>>88084562
It's sad that Bunn's the best we have for X-men and his new book doesn't even sound that great since he's trapped with the O5 kids that won't fuck off back to their time period because of some editorial mandate.

>>88084624
>it's sad
Yeah, he does a good job, but that there's only one decent writer doing X-shit now is just sad.

Who, knows maybe PAD will get something pushed in the looming future.

>>88084505
Le heart of X-family.
>>88084519
Hey, I just parrot what I've read elsewhere.

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>>88084561
I just see it calm. Thats why i dont overreact and call it retarded or so.
I see why they do it and why it fucks up status quo that should be consistent.
I just call it cheap, because for the writer or marvel it is the way of smallest hindrance.
And i know that is what is a main point why sales are going downhill.

>>88084707
As do we all.

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>>88084382
>>88084382
>X-characters dont work well as solos.
You clearly have never read The Retribution Affair

>>88084528
it's going to be casual shit, no deeper than Injustice, the pros will hate it

the only thing I'm hyped for which seems like the most implausible rumor ever is that the MCU cast is VAing their characters.

>>88084519
who the fuck ever said there was too much Cyclops, he hasn't been featured in a book in two years. this is just Marvel doubling down again on their mistake of bringing in the O5 Teen X-Men, which is probably always just a marketing test to see when they do it to Spider-Man how long will it take weather down reader to just accept it as okay.

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>>88084562
>she's just gonna fellate Jean instead
Scary that you are right. She will be just the supporting sister part. Trying to teach her, but in the end Jean will pass her easily.
That only works if its a manga and full comedy. But not in a x-book

>>88084397
You really gotta question why they keep trying to push making Jean the leader of the O5. What leadership qualities has she shown? Her best move seems to consist of 'listen to me or I'll mind rape you into submission or make you gay'

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>>88084470
Why does tykeclops need to be after Jean when she's been a humongous bitch literally and trying to fuck everyone other than him since she appeared in the present? Rightclops is gone, just let him fuck Emma.

>>88084795
>nobody will ever mention Jeen mindfucking Warren Jr.
At least Yuri wore bitchin' uniform and didn't hide he's giggling villain.

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>>88084736
No, that was way before my time.
But i missed alot that some see as good.

In the end x-characters are still team book characteres.

So only Blue and Generation have the potential to be decent?

hahahahha(crying inside)

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>>88084811
>Rightclops is gone, just let him fuck Emma.
Im in for it.
That was something that astounded me, that they never bought Jean back and cyclops progressed.

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>>88084910
Dont ´cry, here have a jubilee.

>>88084916
FUCKING EDITORS HATE JEAN! PLAGUE ON THEIR HOUSE FOR PUSHING SHITTY CHARACTER LIKE WRONGCLOPS!

>>88084938
nice

>>88084779
It's bullshit because if anything Hope would be an extreme hard-ass.

Actual:
>Listen, kid, I know you and everyone else thinks you're hot shit, but you don't know what people will do when the bird shows up. Now were gonna teach you how to actually use your powers.
>proceeds to absolutely wreck Jean's shit, WITH Jean's own powers

What will happen:
>Hahaha Jean you're so sweet! You'll be an even better host to the raptor than me or Rachel ever were! Now let's spar!
>ends in a draw

>>88082795
X-Men are indeed Hopeless. So much for Resurre(x)ion. Inhumans here i come.

>>88084833
Don't you know? Jean's a snowflake who can do no wrong. She could walk up to a guy and telepathically melt his brain and nobody would say a word to her about it. But let Emma or anyone else do it and the X-Men would be outraged

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>Its a Phoenix episode
Real original there guys

>>88084795
she's been the most assertive by far since jumping over to the present.

Kidclops did to fuck off to go into space and got himself thrown in prison, quits the X-Men again and apparently rejoins again, he's a complete flake.

Iceman has been doing nothing but dudes and Hank's been doing nothing but science while Warren when he's not standing in the background, is trying to out stupid All New Laura

>>88084910
>Gen X good
not with that line up and Mango Silencer on art book will be the first one to go.

>>88084938
Does this guy know other boob sizes exist?

Why do plebbit and CBR like Spiderwoman? Is it like mediocre enough for people to just gobble up? Or does /co/ overreact about that book because of the premise?

can someone just take the x men out of their misery

just kill them all already

This must be one of the worst lines of creative teams that the X-franchise ever had. Thank God DC, for Rebirth. At least i can still read some good books.

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>>88083737

>>88084811
Exactly. He should move the fuck on, but nope. They refuse to write him as anything other than a sad sack. It's infuriating.

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>>88085034
Would Phoenix episode without Jean please you more?

>>88085082
>tfw I shipped him with Hope, Cuckoos, Laura, Pixie already and they won't do shit
I swear to God, Marvel! I'll beg Moore to curse you.

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This could work if the delved into the Mister Sinister stuff. I mean she technically created Sinister with Cyclops, that's at least somewhat more interesting than more muh phoenix

>>88085060
These porn guys have folders full of big titties chicks spread eagled and they just slap a reasonable facsimile of the hair of character they're "parodying" on top. The faces rarely change either. It must be easy money honestly.

Hey, have you taken a good look at Cho's women lately? He's been drawing that same Liberty Meadows chick for fifteen years and people loooove it. Lol.

Season 1 is the only time i've actually liked or cared about Jean so I'm actually hype for this

>>88085071
I miss Chuck Austin

>>88085034
Why is professor x watching baby jean and baby cyclops have sex? why is underage kids having sex while an old man in a wheelchair is watching?

>>88085054
Jean's most assertive point was forcing Warren to stay in the present followed by trying to force him to stay at the JGS instead of joining Cyclops. And as far as quitting the X-Men goes, she left the team too at a time mutantkind was in an extinction level event and even when Storm showed her what was going on, she still rejected the X-Men, only going after her new boyfriend turned out to be racist

>>88085141
cho does draw a nice ass and legs.

>>88085062
Muh Progessive costume.

>>88085131
We coulda had him with Laura but then he fucked off to space and she got rebounded to Angel. We then had a second chance when the two broke up and she displayed much better chemistry with him than Angel but Hopeless soured us and got them back together

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>>88084985
>What will happen
Sad that this will happen. Despite both original characterisation.

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>>88085001
B-But anon, Inhumans are not Sanders.

>>88085184
I know. He's been drawing the same ass and legs fir a long time and has gotten pretty good at it. Same boobs, same eyebrows.

Cho's a tad repetitive.

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Has Cable started vanishing away Back to the future style? Like how is he alive if scott and jean don't go to the future? how is he even born without maddie ever becoming a thing

>>88085266
And people complain about RHatO's narration boxes.

>>88085243
>Trump after all that succulent cheesecake
You ruined it. You ruined it and now I'm leaving

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>>88085060
No. And regarding other artist in comic biz, its normal. There are only a handfull that do varyable sizes.

And >>88085141 is right, this artist gets commisions, so i guess the ones that like it as cheesecake, like that it seems as one woman thats doing just several cosplays.

Im kinda ok with that.

>>88085266
The O5 =/= their adult counterparts anymore.
They're basically ghosts that the cosmos made an exception for, but it fucked up the time stream in other ways.
So they're from the same reality, but they can't go back because the universe adjusted the original timeline to exclude that snapshot of them.
So they are time replaced more than even displaced.

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>>88085140
Why not Ms Sinister? Lol.

>>88085266
He was born, so he was to at least exist. Everything else is just divergent time-travel memes.

>>88085330
I wonder what Xavier did in his reality.

>>88085266
alternate universes. its always alternate universes

>>88082795
>alternate, gaywashing Jean
Dropped as I knew I would

>Dennis Hopeless
You mean the cuck that ruined Avengers Academy forever?

>>88085266
but they did go into the future, the Teen 05 are in the present, and if the present hasn't changed it means at some point they go back or aren't the original X-Men of the 616 timeline

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>>88085283
S-Sorry.
Maybe this will lure you back?

>>88085428
lol

>>88085384
Yes. he has a fitting last name because I have no hope for anything he does.

>>88082795
Yikes

The only good thing about this is Spider woman is Hopeless' best book and Jean Grey was one of the less shitty characters in X Men Season One

But
>Teen Jean
>o5 still here
>Hopeless is still mediocre in general
>MORE phoenix

I want people to not buy these shitty x men books since marvel is clearly scraping the bottom of the barrel but surely a changed direction will bode well for the muties, right?
....Right? ;_;

>>88085309
>cosplay

I never looked at it that way but it works, doesn't it?

>>88085395
No, they are the originals, but they're glib facsimiles. So after BTFOAtom the universe basically decided that fuck Doom's magiscience and we're giving you a picture of the O5 at that point in time.

They're separate entities.

They can't go back right now because they're technically in the past already continuing business as usual.

>>88084426
You got mutants to come back

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>>88085348
He jumped to his second class after they vanished.

>>88085428
I'm listening

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>>88085395
Anon I don't think you understand. Scott and Jean got grabbed into the future by Rachel to save Cable from dying and to stop apocalypse from taking over the world. They stayed there for 11yrs

Maybe the Phoenix Force is what turned Iceman gay? It's trying to wipe out humanity by making people unable to reproduce.

FUCK

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>>88085454
It does. Scary, but relieving at the same time.

>>88085525

nah the Phoenix Force kills what isnt viable. This would include gays. it just wants to make the universe great again.

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>>88085504
Thanits ok.

>>88085447
what new direction it's the same old shit, except less shitty since the inhuman shit is now gone (we hope)

Gen X is WATXM with Jubes replacing Logan
Gold is EXM with Rachel replacing Jean
Blue is ANX just add Magneto
I guarantee you now Weapon X will just Betsy, Sabretooth, Mystique, Pepe LePew, Archangel, M and adding X-23verine or Albert or some other type of Wolverine proxy and simply just continuing Uncanny X-Men's plotlines

>>88082877
>Implying anyone remembers Hope
>>88082795
You deserve better then this Hopeless

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>PHOENIX
END IS NEAR YOU FOOLS

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>>88085525
Maybe the phoenix as a fire element just hates water and ice. so it knows how to fuck with an iceman?

Will there ever be a Jean Grey story that doesn't revolve around the phoenix? Is that the only thing there is to her character?

>>88085625
Jean Grey = Phoenix

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>>88082795
>It's a muh jean muh phoenix episode

>>88085625
>Is that the only thing there is to her character?
yes
that or scott

most characters only get one or two stories/conflict that they repeat
like raven and trigon, dick and wanting to tell batman to suck it, iceman and now being gay, jean and phoenix, etc

>>88085569
>Jean and Storm
>Not Emma and Storm
Dude

Chocolate vanilla combo

>>88085625

jean never was an interesting char. everthing going on for her was always related to the phoenix or her marriage to scott

All that's left to announce now is Cable right? Any expectations for that?

>>88085694
Chocolate strawberries lad.

>>88085694
All three. Neopolitan.

>>88085691
Poor Johnny Torch doesn't have even that. You could replace him with burning chair and it'll have same effect.

>>88085720
Spurrier pls

>>88085720

chelsea cain writing and kate leth on art

>>88085755
Please don't waste him on that garbage.

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I would just like to point out that every time this character is dead you get the best x-men stories and when shes alive you get the worse.

They had Jean take over the leadership role after Scott died that first time back in the ealry 2000s and they had to bring him back with the quickness because sales were at an alltime low at the time.

>>88085771
Did you not read his X-Force?

>>88085798
This means we do get a say. Vote with your wallets mongs and they'll listen.

>>88085650
So you think Hopeless will give us the fan service of having White Phoenix Jean meet her teenage self? Given that it's a Jean Grey solo and deals with the Phoenix, it's definitely gotta be an elephant in the room

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>>88085734
Is something so lewd possible?

>>88085798
Because no real Scott = no X-Men.

>>88085850

Hopeless' brain cant deal with cosmic stuff

he would just butcher it

you know things are bad when you hope marvel still Ales Kot instead of this guy

>>88085850
AvX ignored most of the Phoenix continuity, so I wouldn't have lots of hope.

>>88085936
He went off to Alaska with his son's mom and they were pretty well off. Shit went wrong when he went chasing after a ghost resulting in New York under siege by demons and a lot of dead people.

>>88085987
Fucking writers, they think they can do with their characters what they want?

>>88085987
>Pretty well off

Every time Scott leaves the room he eventually has to come back to save their asses. Mutants are like retarded children with knives. If the adult turns away for a second, someone's dying.

>>88086075
Just let the mutants kill themselves off. Only those that can survive are worthy of passing down descendants.

>>88086031
>their

>>88085625

There's her origin. There is also the Sinister/Maddy Prior arc.

>>88086096
This.
Apocalypse was right.

>>88082795
Jean Grey on a mission to turn everyone gay

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>>88085625
for the first half of the 90s that was a thing and then joe kelly and seagle was like no one gives not even a fuck about this character right now and brought it back because she was becoming a non factor

>>88082795
>Teen Jean
strike 1
>MUH PHOENIX
strike 2
>Hopeless
strike 3

I kinda wish Marvel would just straight up put the X-Men franchise out of its misery

>>88086237
It prints money. Or at least does better than the attempts at alternative source of sales.

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>>88085798
I remember that and I remember Grant saying he was not about to go to marvel and fucking write an X-Men story without Cyclops

>>88086237
>I kinda wish Marvel would just straight up put the X-Men franchise out of its misery
But how would we have X-themed "bitch at Marlel" threads?

>>88086262
Do you remember what he said during AvX?

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>>88085625
>>88086101
Jean was just a tool for deud ex machina revealations.

>i read his mind
>he isnt the bad guy, he wanted us just to stop.

>>88086262
Morrison:
>I was the best and just didn't know it yet.
Oh man that's gold.

>>88086262
>I like Cyclops because he is the best person, simply restrained by the system.
What a hack.

>>88086300
I dunno, pls gib

>>88086418
>"That ain't my Scott Summers. That ain't my guy. The guys working on those characters are trying something new, trying to push the story and I'm fine with it but I didn't recognise him and I don't think he'd do any of those things,"

>>88086375
He was the best at tripping balls, is what he's saying.

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>>88086476
And we all know who it was, pulling the strings.

>>88086543
Was Marlel Mouse's bitch at the time already?

>>88086476
>literally "NOT MUH"

>mfw he says this but Nu52 """Superman"""

I agree to an extent, if I hadn't read X-Men from Decimation onward, Scott would seem like an impostor or something else.

>Morrison reading Hero vs. Hero
What a pleb.

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>>88086566
It was fall 2009.
And its Marvel cinematic universe that pushed X-men in the corner.

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Every time I think teen Jean can't get any worse, Marvel seems determined to prove me wrong.

Any suggestive Rachel art?

>>88086262
goddamn, cyclops literally saved x-men comics. if grant never did new x-men this shit would probably be completely dead right now

>>88086783
HE DIDN'T SAVE THEM, EDITORS SABOTAGED OTHER CHARACTERS IN ORDER TO PROP HIM! WHOLE FRANCHISE SUFFERED BECAUSE OF THAT!

>>88086543
Ike Perlmutter. Apperently you're under the impression that Disney gives a single fuck about or has influenced a single decision on the comics side when that isn't the case.

>>88086837
Scott's been out of the spotlight for years now and your characters still suck ass. Where is your god now?

>>88086922
JUST YOU WAIT, X-MEN GOLD WILL BTFO EVERY TEAM BOOK ON THE MARKET.

>>88086837
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzf3BrEY9Bs

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>>88086782
Not on hand. but instead i give you a blink x psylocke

>>88086956
That the one where Kitty is in charge?

Lol. Good luck with that shit.

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>>88086956
It's such shit too cause it's a solid roster.

>>88086957
I can use this. Thx.

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>>88086782
Does this help?

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See naysayers? People are hyped!

>>88087030
It's so same shit as always.

>>88086783
Nice bait

>>88087113
Same, white and straight.
It's 2017 already, Marvel!

>>88087091
Well more people are in the "I don't hate it" camp.

What a downer.

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>>88086879
They did, because of profit and the whole cinematic universe.
It stirred up a certain behaviour and greed to get x-men movie rights back.

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>>88087091
Thats just because they want ema x jean shipped.

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is ibanez good?

>>88087144
Except that was 100% done by Ike Perlmutter, and had little to nothing to do with Disney.

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>>88087232
I like this, but i can see in every art some good aspects.

>>88087232
He gives me a Rocafort vibe but without LINES.

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>>88087248
And all the drastic changes with Marvel started in 2010.
And Perlmutters grudge with fox started came with the power from disney.
The mouse started the event and regarding their recent moves they encourage it. It even seems that there is a company code or a schooling that helped it.

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>>88087232
Yeah

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>>88082795
I-isn't... Isn't this just Claremont's run with Jean Grey? Like, the whole Dark Pheonix thing was all about a teenager being unprepared to handle ultimate power. Is this all writers can ever fucking come up with is just rehashing Claremont?

>>88084492
>tdw no slutty jungle bug girl

>>88087551
All X-fags want is rehashing Claremont.

What's so bad about Hopeless?

>>88087606
Have you read him?

Cable & X-Force is the only thing he's done that wasn't shit.

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is this the story when she turns grill xorn?

>>88087606
Just read any of his books for evidence.

>>88087606
Nothing, X-fags are overracting as usual.

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>>88082795
>Hopeless
So it's either going to be boring as shit or offensively bad

>>88082877
>>88082795

since when does Jean have premonition powers?
its possible however she gets this "vision" that it isn't real?

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>>88087599
>when we have a slutty White Queen

>>88087671
>this is fine.jpg

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>>88087599
Or Scarlett witch

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>>88082795
>She’s told the Phoenix is back in play and that the Earth is doomed unless Jean Grey can step up
Is this the part where it wipes everything out and sends mutants to an alternate universe?

>>88087728
Probably a rehash of his Hopestryfe plot.

Telepaths have shown precog abilities in the past outside of that though.

>>88082795
>Hopeless
Wow.

Wow wow wow wow. I mean, I wondered, but I was sure even Marvel wouldn't be this bad.

>Hopeless
>no hook
This may well be the worst one.

Now that all the shitty writers are out of the way, maybe there's hope for Cable?

>>88082795
Let's be honest here, /co/. None of us gave a single fuck about a Jean Grey ongoing (especially not O5 Jean unless she's portrayed as a villain) so it having Hopeless as the writer is a good thing since a good writer isn't being wasted on it.

Now let's just hope Cable gets a good team.

>>88088006
>>88088079
Spurrier or we riot.

>>88087972
The hook is "hey you like the Phoenix right? Well the Phoenix is coming back! Again!"

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grr

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>>88087906
>sends mutants to an alternate universe?
That would be boring. And since its all connected just cheap.
Whoever wants that is someone asking for a personal safe space.

>>88088079
>>88088091
Do note the the best Cable writers have had a first, last or both names starting with an S.
S=Summers, the S stands for hope. Hope was Right. Therefore S=Right. Corrolary: Summers=Right

>>88088123
Literally who?

>>88088091

Spurrier's Cable in X-Force was not very good though?
I hope its Duggan just spinning out his Uncanny Avengers story.

>>88088128
Pretty much. Personally, I thought Remender's idea of doing Planet-X would have been a nice middle-ground and at least something fresh.

>>88083703
>well, at least I did
Add me to your tally. I abandoned ship the moment Gold and Blue creative teams were announced.

Is it possible for DC to obtain or buy X-men? Am just really really sad.

>>88088194
>Spurrier's Cable in X-Force was not very good though?
Wrong.

>Duggan's Cable was anything other than garbage

Holy shit. I like Duggan, but his Cable is an abortion.

>>88088182
Very active guy on League of Comic Geeks. Nobody important, but still annoying seeing people like him. Interesting to see people like Hopeless and X-Men currently.

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i'd rather they just get a mop and color the strings on it red and put a chicken beside it on fire and say its a new jean grey book. at least that'd be funny

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>>88088079
You are right. But it is still money wasted.
If they dont do a jean, they could get better writers or pay more to get better stories.

And its mostly we like to discuss why jean solo.

>>88088253
Everyone has different tastes, and /co/'s usually don't reflect the average comic buyer.

>>88088298
Thanks, friendo.

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>you now realize that what became AvX was originally going to be Apocalypse from the future coming to claim Hope and the Phoenix in the present

>you now realize that had Remender not left "Apocalypse Wars" would've been various hosts of Apocalypse clamoring for the new mantle while the X-Men tried to stop the shit. DeathSentry was to be the final boss

>you now feel sad

>>88088104
Same plot, different day, hugely inferior writer.

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>>88088298
i agree with you but /co/ has sometimes the right direction.
But sure its a little bit like facebook or twitter bubble.

>>88088253
>>88088315
And i dont know himneither. So what makes him outstanding? Big follower amount? Is League of Comic Geeks important or on bias like /co/?

>>88082795
>inb4 Lemire/Sorrentino on Cable
i know all of you with your shit tastes would love that but to me Sorrentino is indistinguishable from Deodato with the digital poser shit

>>88088335
That sounds really sad.

soooo, so far what x-books (if any) from this launch are you all going to try out.

Because I MIGHT give Bunn a chance with the O5, but that's it so far. Not enough of a characterfag to suffer Guggenheim even with Colossus and Nightcrawler.

>>88088602
nigga fuck this shit full time /a/ now. im 22 right now and this is my first time leaving comic books since i started so imma leave for like a god 3-4yrs if its not good in that time then im gon for good

>>88088602
I'll pirate the first issues of each to see which is trash and which might be readable.

>>88088602

only thing I'm gonna outright avoid is Gold, since Guggenheim has yet to put out anything worthwhile in my eyes.
Blue, Gen X, and this will at least get a couple issues to be medioce or worse before I stop caring.

>>88088602
Pirate, 3 issue rule, buy anything worth buying. The X-Men line has been atrocious for a few years now so this probably won't be any worse, but it won't be good

if you guys buy any of this shit you are the problem

>>88088773

>I don't like thing
>that means no one can like thing

>>88088280
>If they dont do a jean, they could get better writers or pay more to get better stories.
That's not the issue. Good writers would be wasted with the current direction Marvel's headed.
No matter who they get, they wouldn't be able to send the fake O5 back to their time/reality, at least ignore Bobby's gaywashing, bring back Scott or real Wolverine, unJUST Beast etc. At best, they could try to write Ororo properly.

I guess the beatings will have to continue for a while until the mutant situation improves.

>>88088773
But I have to support every book with Nightcrawler.

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>>88088773
Anybody buying this shot when u can pirate is legit a dumbass

>>88088798
Welp, I guess we found *the* guy who was clamoring for a Jean book. Thanks ass.

It"s amazing the positive reaction this is getting - like "hopeless writes women well" - he made Jess pregnant in complete contravention of her character for the stupidest reason imaginable, all because he and his wife recently had a baby.

>>88089215
Who said that?

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>>88089215
Le write what you know meme.
>>88089273
Prolly CBR drones.

>>88089273
Just the initial twitter hubbub.

>>88089300
I'd heard that even CBR had been lukewarm to this

>>88082795
Wow. Yet another Phoenix thing.
The entire fucking X-Men franchise should have been taken out back and mercifully shot over a decade ago now.

Apparently the only thing any asshat can do with them is write a new storyline about something Claremont wrote about over thirty fucking years ago now and repackage it as something new.

>>88089352
Yeah, I'm reading posts there now. First two pages are WHAT THE FUCK, FUCK YOU and then it came "come on, it's not THAT bad" and "whoever thinks he's bad for Jean, he should read X-Men Season One".
I'm sure I'll get to hardcore shilling by page 10.

>>88089413

X-Men season one was good though.
not excited for this at all still.

>>88088194
Spurrier's X-Force was a bizarre slow burn. That first arc is him introducing his team (they don't even get together until #5) and is burdened by really weird art too. But after that, the book REALLY takes off since Spurrier gets to do all the weird shit he likes. It also actually makes a split Fantomex and Marrow work. Unfortunate no one was affected by Alexandria literally blowing up in the book besides those in the book

>>88088602
I'll read this shit on /co/ and watch everyone rage

>>88088602
Blue, for Bunn. I wanna see what Il Duce Lensherr will be up to.

>>88089413
Whoever thinks he's good should read everything else he ever fucking wrote.

What else annoys me about this so much - and which no-one will seize on - is the interview that makes it clear this was the book he was assigned, not one he pitched for. Or they pitched and just gave it to him for his laziest of lazy history pitches because hey, he's our guy.

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>>88089608
Probably fight some Z-listers. Fuck, they're so low on the list they're not even getting letter. I mean, if fucking Siberforce appeared in half of issues...

>>88087849
Delet this. Scarlet Witch is not to be sullied in this manner.

>>88088258
Sandwiched between his ex-wives is hell? Don't seem to even be fighting at him or with each other.

>>88087131
oh no, it's /co/mblr!

>>88087603
false. uncanny x-force is critically acclaimed and had a focus on AoA, Excalibur, and Archangel came from X-Factor. none of which were written by claremont

>>88091990
Dark Angel Saga was a Claremont nod, but in name only really.

Remender is a raging Morrisonfag too.

>>88084423
I loved Cable and X-Force and the Inferno mini-series.

>>88093439

same

I don't think he's a bad writer, I think he's a really uneven one that's caught a lot of undeserved flak for a bunch of obvious shitty editorial decisions (that would be the entirety of Avengers Arena)

He's in no way a sure thing but he's not a sure failure either. ANX was a miss but I'm a-ok with him getting a shot at Jean.

>>88084362

No, she doesn't, which is exactly what this ongoing should have tried to steer clear of. But since this is still time-displaced Jean, it's not like fans are going to care anyway. You can't do character development on a character fated to lose it all to fix the timeline.

It's too bad, because a revived Jean could be a fantastic platform to develop the character into another strong female lead. She has tons of history at Marvel, name recognition, and her two previously defining traits - Phoenix bait and love interest insert - are currently difficult to re-integrate into her character. (Though, hack writing is apparently hard at work with the first quality.) She could have had a literal breakout series stepping out of the shadows of powerful men and cosmic entities to define HERSELF, but instead, we're getting "Gotta be strong cuz Phoenix!" and promises of many wacky team-ups.

Have faith, X-fans. DC had Rebirth, you guys will get something good eventually.

>>88091990
>>88092202

Remender's whole deal was making good stories out of 90s shit

>>88095460
>You can't do character development on a character fated to lose it all to fix the timeline.

Daily reminder that Jean and the rest of the O5 are never, ever "going back"

The old versions of the characters and what they became are utterly irrelevant to what the new ones do.

>>88085582
even if no one remembers hope, theres Quentin Quire, anon.
>>88082795
>Hopeless
it's almost like they dont want to sell comics.

>>88096374
>Quentin Quire
REEEEEEEEEEEEEe

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>>88086956
>X-men gold
>With KITTY as leader