God the new Ghost Rider is trash.

>>88064277
>PogChamp.jpg

>>88064277
I need to see more of this art.

kind of reminds me of the flesh demon that looks like a Sailor Venus parody

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>>88064277
What hack drew that crap?

>>88064722
Danilo Beyruth.

>>88064277
What's with the whore? Does she die or what?

>>88064751
Added to the blacklist. Thanks.

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I guess his brother is retarded or something.

>Stylised in a way i don't like makes it bad
When will this meme end?

>>88064277
Because?
>>88064804
I guess you are too

>>88064277
>that neck in the first panel

Is she like a giraffe-type mutant or something

>>88064820
>it's not badly drawn, it's muh style!
Hi Rob.

I thought GR was done by Felipe Smith?

>>88064833
Kek

>>88064765
She's a villain who tries to steal his car. She rides a skateboard and can slow time. Also she wears a stupid fucking cheetah mask and likes his photo on instagram

>>88064277
>Posting the backup story and calling it trash
>The backup is better than the main story anyway
The main story is basically Robbie and Gabe hanging out while the fucking Hulk is the one having an adventure, which would be fine if this wasn't issue #1 of a new ongoing. I'm fine for guest star issues that tie into a bigger plot sometimes, but not the first issue which should have been 'Robbie being a good brother for a bit, followed by a roaring firey chase and battle that eats up 12 pages' or something.

Which is basically the backup, half is Robbie doing Robbie things at his job then the latter half is a cool action sequence

>>88064860
It is.

>>88064804
Disabled and Latino wasn't diverse enough, so they needed to tack on autistic for the extra "LOOK HOW PROGRESSIVE WE ARE" points.

>>88064860
>>88052801

>>88064906
So OP's pic. Is it Smith or Beyruth?

>>88064852
You don't know shit

>>88064890
Oh boy. You're in for a treat.

it's a New Fantastic Four book featuring ghost Rider as the implied leader not a GR book

>>88064277
I thought this was a new Hulk comic guest staring GR? At least that's what I thought reading the damned thing.

>>88064934
Are you dumb?

>>88064934
Neither. It's Tradd Moore.

>>88064958
>2deep4u

>>88064964
>it's a New Fantastic Four book
Did Ike die or what?

>>88064852
Rob liefield is bad because he doesn't understand basic anatomy, you can't say that about this image.

>>88064991
Blacklisted too. Thanks.

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>Tradd Moore

>>88064975
My mistake, I didn't know Smith was just the writer. He's more of an artist in my mind.

>>88064964
I don't see it being a long term team book, anon. Hulk has his own book and another team he's on, Laura is in the middle of being ENEMY OF THE STATE. Only Silk could reasonably split time between her own book and a team here, I think this is going to be a crazy New Fantastic Four/Circle of Four arc but not last.

On the other hand, Robbie x Cho x Laura x Silk would be probably fucking crazy to read, so hey.

>>88065020
>neck
>face
How is that not part of anatomy?

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>>88064890
This. I honestly would have thought this was a issue with Hulk with Robbie guest staring. I guess he did kinda take down some bad guys(?) in a super lackluster action sequence.

By the way they where I guess smuggling Mexicans into the U.S? Despite the fact they where in fucking L.A.? Or where they kidnapping them? What the fuck where they doing?

Also that backup half was crap. Awful art, and stupid story. GR got shit on on roided out tumblrite on a skateboard was stupid.

>>88065271
Seeing Trump won they are probably trying to illegally immigrate BACK to Mexico!

>>88064804

yea?
did you not read the previous volume?

>>88064860
Smith writes it, doesn't draw it.

>>88065181
L O L

smug shrek

>>88065021
Who are your favorite artists?

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>>88065033
I like Tradd Moore's art.

A lot of people on /co/ complain that too much comic book art is just a series of stiff-looking pinups arranged in sequence (especially when it comes to DC's "house style" artists), but Tradd Moore is up there with Adam Warren in terms of designing comic book action sequences that actually have a sense of dynamic movement to them. You see this demonstrated most effectively in the Luther Strode trilogy.

>>88065408
Not that guy Moore, that's for sure.

>>88065443
>liking Adam Warren
>ever

>>88065408
>>88065443
>>88065464
Why don't people draw like Curt Swan, Jack Kirby, or Darwyn Cooke anymore? I loved that art.

>>88064804
So are you from the looks of things

>>88065608
There are people who surely can, but they don't draw comics.

>>88065443
I think a lot of cape fans expect a certain "look" when it comes to superheroes and anything that takes them out of their comfort zone is immediately thrown in the trash, for better or worse.

>>88065699
Plenty of people who draw comics can, but don't because that's biting another person's style decades later anyway.

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>>88064277
Anyone who recognizes the beauty that is instafitness sluts is good in my book.
Too bad that's just a wig and she has an awful hair cut and tattoo under there.

>>88065836
Nice trap, bro.

>>88065799
>2deep4em

>>88065699
Makes me sad.

>>88065608
For one all of those artist are dead. (and you might die too if you draw like them! hurr hurr hurr)

And as far as marvel goes: they seem to have some weird interest in hiring artist that have more social presence than technical skill. Its a bit hard to put a finger on. It feels like they are trying to find people with more "quirky" styles (with social media personalities being a big plus) rather than someone that draws more traditional comic art.

Its kinda a odd thing where Marvel is trying to brand themselves as "hip with the kids" while distancing themselves from older comic book fandom. Not to mention I imagine that the current artist for these things work cheaper and faster than more talented artist do.

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>>88065033
your loss faggots

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>MFW marvel comic

>>88065608
i like those guys but they are all really different

At least with Curt Swan style (photorealism) its probably fairly time consuming and worked a lot better when comic stories were just 8 pages.

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>>88065836
>implants level fatass

>>88064722
>>88064751
>>88064773
That's not drawn by Danilo Beyruth, are you fucking blind? It's by Tradd Moore, and he's a better artist than you capeshitters deserve.

>>88064934
It's neither. It's Tradd Moore.

>>88067005

You can keep him

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>>88064277
shes cute

>bring back Robbie for a new ANGR series
>90% of the first issue is focused on other characters
Fuck you, Marvel. I thought they were exaggerating when they said this series would be to promote other characters.

>>88067078
8/10 for a drag queen

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>>88067078

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>>88067141
you could probably get in her cutoffs if you offered her a ride in your car

>>88064820
>It's just stylised guys, it's actually good
when will this meme end

>>88067698
care to post examples of your art that got published?

>>88067735
Could you people stop doing this autistic shit for once in your lives?

I actually think OP is right but not because of the Tradd Moore back-up. Rather because more of the book was crappy tie-in pages than Ghost Rider and/or any decent hook.

>>88067800
Uh ohh, looks like we have the next cal art reject hitler on our hands here. Its ok anon

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>>88067064
>Probably hasn't even read Luther Strode

>>88067735
I'm not an artist, i'm a physics student. I just think it looks bad, there are good examples of stylised art, Michael Oeming's art on Cave Carson has a Cybernetic Eye been good, but this art looks bad, it looks rubbery

I don't need to have made a film to say a films bad, no more than I need to have had published art to think some art is bad, it's just my opinion, whats with the buthurt?

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>>88067905

>>88067735
>you are not allowed to have an opinion unless you can do better!
When will this meme end?

>>88067841
>More buzzwords
Fuck off.

>>88064277
Does Land trace pictures of blow up dolls now?

>>88064277
This girl makes my dick hard.

Wordmores buzz

>>88064277
TIME TO PICK UP GHOST RIDER

>>88064277
>Mouth looks like she can suck like a Hoover Vacuum
I'm sold, need to get the first issue now

>>88067808
It's so disappointing, the back up seems more like I'd want than the team up book we're getting.

>>88068004
I know you're dying to anon. Its right in that Folder labeled" Make it Big". Right next to the Motivational kitten one

>>88067990
all I asked was for him to post examples of his work. Nothing wrong with that.

>>88064277
every day is leg day

>>88068601
you asked me for examples of my work implying that I have no right to criticise someone elses art because I couldnt do better. The idea that you cant have an opinion because you cant do better is a silly opinion

>>88064911
Or maybe the writer wanted to write a story with an element that is barely ever seen in comics? (Completely emotionally and physically dependant family member)

Also, it informs you that Robbie is a saint because it takes angelic patience to deal with severely autistic people.

>>88068468
The book isn't even about her sadly. The story with her is awesome though.

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>>88068790
New guy to the convo here. I personally just find it annoying for people to call something "bad" and "shit" because it doesn't it doesn't fit a classic mold. Saying that pieces of art are stylized IS a valid point to make. The guy has a more than solid grasp on anatomy, composition, paneling and everything else. He just bends the rules in a consistent way to create a style for himself. You can not like the result, but that doesn't make it shit.

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>>88067078
I would die

>>88070182
>because it doesn't it doesn't fit a classic mold

Ive said that I can find stylised art to be good, even pic related looks good, but in the case of those panels I don't like it. There is nothing objective about the quality of art, to some this is the highest form of art, for some (Like me) this is pretty bad. It's all subjective, but you must admit that thinking that I cant have an opinion about this art because I cant do better is silly

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>>88065608
>or Darwyn Cooke anymore?

All of the cartoony style guys from DC in the 90's are dead now except Ty Templeton

We lost Mike Parobeck at 29

>>88065799
I'm sure if you asked most of the people in this thread, they'd tell you that John Forte was an engaging, dynamic artist.

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>>88067932
The problem is Moore's art is made for big, over the top action scenes. It's very fluid, very well choreographed and everything carries weight and feels like a ton of bricks when it hits.

>>88070929
Man, Darwyn Cooke was my favourite comicbook artist, I remember sitting back for a solid ten mins in disbelief when it was revealed he was in palliative care, just the sudden realisation that this man won't produce any more wonderful art ever again. Why do the greats have to go?

>implying pencils alone dictate the final product
Don't blame Tradd. His other stuff has been posted
>>88067942
>>88067905
And it looks pretty rad.

So that leaves it to whomever does the inks, or the colors.
Blame the colorist. It happens all the time, a mediocre or 'house style' colorist can immediately sabotage an otherwise exceptional penciller.

Colorists need more scrutiny and attention, either to point out when they're undermining good pencils or to acknowledge when they don't fuck up the pencils and the end result looks good.

>>88065936
This is interesting. It does seem like certain new Marvel comics are using a tumblr art style. It looks like it's probably cheaper.

>>88070568
Maybe the argument wasn't that you couldn't do better, but that you didn't know better? Art is subjective but there are objective aspects to it and you you didn't know how to judge those aspects your opinion would be worth less.

>>88065443
I dislike his art too but that looks great, everybody has their niche I guess.

Source?

>>88066186
Yeah that's why I posted them. I wanted to show that I liked multiple styles and would be fine with either one.

Curt Swan's style does look like it's the most expensive, though. I wouldn't mind Darwyn Cooke's style, and that looks like it can be done cheaper than some of the high end current comics we have now.

>>88065623
Kek underrated post

>>88067005
>muh capeshitters
your hack indie artist can stay in the minor leagues, thank you very much

>>88067078
she's le thicc xD

>>88067735
Shut up, Hirsch.

>>88067005
>he's a better artist than you capeshitters deserve.
Wrong, we deserve the best and you have terrible taste.

>>88070929
>>88071368
Best story Cooke drew for?

>>88064277
Eyebrows leading into lower eyes...Tradd's back on Ghost Rider?! Hell fuck yeah!!!

>>88074390
Easily the Parker stuff, he did his best work at the end of his life

>>88075117
Thanks buddy. I'll definitely give that a look.

Robbie gonna finally put that little shit Cho in his place? Also

>8th, wait 9th, Moongirl knocked him down a spot, smartest human
kek I eagerly await him throwing a shit fit over this

>>88065608
Because apprenticeship is dead. Especially in comics.

It used to be that established artists took young artists to task and critiqued the fuck out of them, but in a way that made them as hardened as spartans. Just look at the way Alex Toth has been shown to absolute tear apart every last fucking minute element of page composition and made artists completely re-evaluate how they presented their work.

Nowadays, do you even think there's an opportunity for a quality artist to give a real honest to god no holds barred critique to one of the fucking webcomic recruits Marvel has been packing in? Fuck no. They would need to go into a Safe Space within 3 sentences and the good artist would be fired for bad PR when the young shit takes their case to twitter.

Imagine the optics of a super talented male artist on Swan's level telling a female web artist that she basically is not even qualified for her job, and that his recommendations for improvement would be as thick as the dictionary.

That's why you get house styles and garbage, with ra talent being on the absolute fringes.

>>88074981
only for backups

>>88064416
Gootecks deserved better than to be a twitch emote and seen as washed up longer than he was good

>>88076944
Wow. That's really too bad. I wish things were like the old days.

>Imagine the optics of a super talented male artist on Swan's level telling a female web artist that she basically is not even qualified for her job, and that his recommendations for improvement would be as thick as the dictionary.
I can't stop laughing while thinking of this. I can just imagine the tumblr post and subsequent image. "I was LITERALLY SHAKING!"

Isn't a bit late to be angry over how this Ghost Rider looks? It was like this at launch years ago.

>>88077432
the coloring's a little off this time around since it looks like Moore didn't color himself it this time

>>88077432
The deformed, body horror villain is a girl this time so it's bad because we can't jack off to her.

>>88077507
speak for yourself

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>>88077507
But those are cool.

>>88077581
that was a weird fuckin' issue

>>88065608
Nobody gives a shit what you love, faggot

>>88077183
Things used to be pretty crazy back in the day. Just look at how Shooter got his start. There was a time where every copy boy at Marvel felt like they could get a shot if they just absolutely worked their asses off.

The whole idea of the cream rising to the top is completely obliterated in Marvel, it's nothing but nepotism and complete indifference towards producing lasting quality. Editors and management do nothing to promote and cultivate a new generation of quality artists, they just plan out big events and think about how many variant covers they can make this month.

You want to know how shit Marvel is right now?

Gurihiru is easily in the top 5 of artists that Marvel employs. Not the top 5 most beloved artists, or the top 5 artists that deliver feel good stories, it's top 5 in terms of actual visual artistic quality. And they're basically above average tier for semi-pro tumblr artists.

This isn't shitting on Gurihiru, because the two of them are good at what they do and deliver cutesy stuff like nobody's business, but tell me that that doesn't depress the fuck out of you.

>>88077998
Outsourced for cheaper labor.

>>88064995
Your casual is showing something fierce. Please focus more on the comics themselves rather than company politics.

>>88077998
Who hurt you m8

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>>88077998
Thanks for the information. Yeah, I do enjoy Guruhiru's art but I would prefer different styles for different stories. Their art is good for "comfortable" or low tension stories I think, where it's more about fun or humor.

It's really too bad what happened to Marvel. DC's art isn't all that great either, but sometimes they really surprise me.

>>88078053
That's Ike's Marvel for ya.

>>88078503
Ur dad when he didn't kiss me after I suck him off.

>>88078724
House style is house style, Marvel and DC both keep it going for practical reasons. But we're at a point where d'awwww material is becoming the only thing people are looking forward to.

Look at the comments on /co/ regarding a lot of Marvel books. If it's headlined by a female or a young character, they want Gurihiru. This isn't because /co/ is of a higher degree of pedophile degenerates than the previous era of comic fans (they think they are, but they're not), it's because we've become acclimated to the idea that all of the other options are basically nothing but frustration. Female-led comics are either comfy cutesy, or literal tripe that was shoveled up from the slaughter house floors of tumblr.

>>88077581
I love it when comics parody manga

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>>88077581
would you?

>>88065181
What in the everloving fuck?

>>88077998
>top 5 in terms of actual visual artistic quality.
No not really. I like Guhiru's cutesy shit as much as the next guy there are loads of better artists on Marvel's payroll. Don't rewrite history just for your tryhard nostalgiafagging.

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>>88064277
I wonder if she's a mutant, inhuman, an incidental meta, or if that cat suit of hers is really advanced tech.

Incidentally, she's surprisingly good at the secret identity thing.

Her brunette mop is a wig
Wears a mask to hide her face
Costume conceals her musculature, making you think everything past the arms is just padding

>>88080530
Tattoo kinda gives it away but it's something else. I don't know shit about speed racer here but isn't he categorized as super natural? She seems to move in some sorta vortex when they showed him punching a hole into what I assume is the highway to hell

>>88077183
Your revenge fantasies involve other people yelling at Tumblr teens. Your life must be at least twice as pathetic as that of the average /co/ nerd.

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>>88064453
You don't like me, anon?

>>88080894
curious to know if this thing is 100% female to begin with, you know given it's powers?

>>88081025
>it was weeb who couldn't into art and that's why it looks like shit
Sounds plausible enough, desu.

>>88072262
sounds elitist to me. art is art. if I don't like it, I say so. You can go ahead and like it though. That is your right. To have an opinion. But remember what they say about opinions. Everyone has one. Like...you know....

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>>88064277
Who fucking colored this?

>>88081559
Someone with a job

>>88080861
I don't think that's a revenge fantasy since I'm not getting revenge on anyone. Looks like you've got some weird persecution complex or something, trying to defend your kind like that. If you can't handle criticism against tumblr, you should go back.

>>88081559
red

>>88065181
>hulk
>red tongue
it's the little details that make me mad

>>88080530
Likely the catsuit tech, Smith seems to like the idea that socal is a greenhouse for super-science.

>>88082807
not muh Hulk

>non-Moore colored Moore
WHY

>>88080519
Erica, go home and take your curl lip drawings with you.

>>88080519
Such as? Post examples please.

>>88067078
>>88064277
>buff chink
Don't care about the comic, hoping for some smut.

>>88085289
The hair is a wig.

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>>88073104
>we deserve the best

>Moore's art is okay at best and shit at worst, kept afloat by his god tier paneling/composition and fantastic colouring
>lol what happens if we give him really limited action scenes that inhibit his ability to incorporate movement and flow and have someone else colour his line art

>>88067078
>Moore wants to be Crumb
>this happens
Face it, guys; Tradd Moore sucks.

>>88064277
>buff asian with DSLs
Not seeing the problem here.

>>88081559
God that's gorgeous

>>88072304
Luther Strode

>>88072304
>I dislike his art too but that looks great
Make up your mind.

>>88064911
Except Robbie taking care of his disabled brother is the best part of his comic. If you can't appreciate that, you don't really belong here.

>>88065181
9th smartest person in the world, everyone. 9th smartest.

>>88085948
>you don't really belong here
I forgot this board is full of retards, yeah.

>>88077581
What is the story behind this retarded looking shit?

>>88086190
Ghost Rider was riding his bike after a major plotline ended and found a town controlled by a weaboo demon that was in love with him. He burnt her up and kicked her into the ocean.

>>88067005
Not like Luthor Strode wasn't capeshit.

>>88086003
>I forgot this board is full of retards, yeah.

Piss off if you don't have anything to contribute.

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>>88085289
>>88085322

short haired muscle girls are best

>>88087158
>girls

>>88087120
Obviously, you mentally challenged children cannot understand the workings of a normal mind.

>>88087194
Says the person posting on 4chan.

>>88064277
Is this an edit? Why does the art look all jaggy while the lettering looks so crisp?

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>>88087194
>Obviously, you mentally challenged children cannot understand the workings of a normal mind.

You're on 4chan's comic book and cartoon board and mocking people for enjoying a comic book you don't like.

You are picturesque abnormal.

>>88087460
>You are picturesque abnormal.
Says the person posting on 4chan.

>>88087508
That anon never claimed he wasn't.

>>88087460
>cute Asian muscle girl
life is cruel

>>88087508
>Says the person posting on 4chan
Says the person posting on 4chan.

>>88087655
>girl

>>88087738
>meme

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>>88087738
>>88087798

girl meme

>>88088417
>girl
Sorry Moe.

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>>88088453

meme

>>88088467
She didn't even shave that day!

Yeah, I don't understand /co/ gushing over this. Robbie's stories really aren't very good.

>>88088547
it was really just Moore's art in the first arc that generated the hype around the character

>>88088575
It's a shame, the character himself seems pretty good, but damn is his book boring.

>>88088547
Didn't you know? If it's made by indiefags, it's automatically good.

>>88070182
lol its shit faggot lol
go back to fagartschool lol

>>88086003
>>88087194
>>88064911
>>88086003
Stop being such a faggot.

I really liked ANGR and Robbie, and I really like Moore's art, but there is something about this that just seems off. Similar enough to be recognizable, but different enough in weird ways to be uncomfortable
I dunno, maybe I'll skip this

>>88064804
>>88064911
Fuck off casuals. You obviously didn't even read the last volume.

>>88088855
OP pic is just a backup

also looks like a colorist that isn't Moore

>>88088547
>>88088575
Nah the stories are pretty good. This will be better than Vol. 1 if they let him fight someone other than Mr. Hyde clones.

>>88080894
Think she will ever appear on MCU?

>>88064277
>>88066132
>>88067078
Is that Rikochanpornstar?

>>88088975
>Is that Rikochanpornstar?
No, it's the kind of art that almost killed Marvel in the 90s.

>>88064277
Take the cock out of your mouth please, OP. You're tearing us apart.

>>88064277
>whose car
>not whose cock
ONE JOB

>>88088997
right, it was 90s art that almost killed Marvel, not the rampant speculation and trying to self-distribute

What does the shit on her forehead say?

>>88089135
>still thinking that collectors and speculators cared about quality

>>88089156
what? the whole point is that quality had nothing to do with the speculation

>>88089191
OK, so bad art did nothing wrong, and Marvel is selling very well.

>>88089263
quality literally has nothing to do with sales

>>88089288
You're not very good at shilling, you know.

>>88089424
I don't even understand what you're arguing

>>88088975
>>88088997
No, this is Patrick.