Looks like all is not going well over at the House of Recycled Ideas

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>>88058956
Marvel Rebirth when?

>>88058956
Looks like the cycle of meaningless events and clickbait tier reveals is finally starting to bite them in the ass.

>>88058956
The worst thing about this is that you KNOW Bendis is not going to catch any flak for this even though his shit has fucked up the rest of Marvel's line both in terms of fan interest and scheduling

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>>88058956
>Marvel is now giving away their comics because they're not selling.
>The sales charts through Diamond will still consider them as being sold.
Amazing relaunch you got there, Marvel.

>>88059185
Hey who know's if marvel ever decided to fix there shit they could use him as a scapegoat.

>>88059282
They are so rich that they are giving comics for free :^)

>>88059397
That we can use as asswipe alternatives (^:

Is there any book Marvel isn't pushing on unwilling LCS? Spider-Man?

>>88059473
JUST PLEASE TAKE THESE MOSAIC #2 AND GLA #2 OFF OUR HANDS, WE HAVE CHILDREN

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>>88059473

>>88059339
>Invincible

kek

>>88058956
>>88059339
Gamora is not going to do good even if it's well written because there's no interest, GOTG is shit and the normies who were praising and buying it don't buy it anymore because they either stop caring about it or they got bored with it and everyone else thinks is shit.

Chip's Star-Lord won't be as shit as Humphries' run but I doubt anyone wants the adventures of Star-Lord on Earth as a bard tender guest starring other Marvel characters or Howard the Duck 2.0 minus space.

Nova will get some sales bumps for their #1 issue but afterwards? It will probably go down on sales because it's C-list characters at the end of the day and people who want to read about Rich probably won't want to read about Sam, and the ones who want to read about Sam proved that they won't buy is shit and the wants who want to read about both aren't enough.

Shit like Gwenpool, Hellcat, Squirrel Girl, and Hawkateye needs to be purged and shit like Duckpool also needs to be canceled before it comes out, this shitty experimental funny books are so fucking boring and aimless and anything with Bendis has been utter shit and he should be just held to one book at a time (just let him do Jessica Jones) take the Iron Man books and Miles away from him, give Miles to a competent writer.

Also change Axel Alonso his tenure as EiC has been shit and he just wants to make shitty Hip Hop variant.

I want marvel to burn

Why go on Twitter to bitch about free shit?

>>88059611
>I literally don't want these free comics, they take up space and I get charged shipping. Does @Marvel reimburse shipping @DCD_Nexus?

>>88059575
I remember way back when Quesada was announced as no longer EIC and some people on /co/ were cheering because they thought it Marvel would improve. I wonder what happened to those posters.

>>88059339
But /co/ told me Gwenpool was a success

>>88059634
Alonso edited some fine comics, who knew he'd be a massive fuck up of an EIC?

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>>88059643

>>88059575
I think it's more that any goodwill people had with the marvel is just gone. Even if Marvel would publish Watchmen-tier comic, nobody would give a fuck. Oh, and the X-Men rebirth looks like shit, so it's not going to save them either

>>88059650
Yes, I know he edited Transmetropolitan for a while, and other Vertigo books, and he edited JMS' run on Spider-Man. But he also edited Sins Past and One More Day, among other things.

Can someone explain why getting more comics is a bad thing?.

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>>88059339
>Gwenpool

>>88059339
>Gwenpool Holiday Special
The one that's being done by Ryan North and his collection of literally whos instead of Hastings/Gurihiru? No problem there.

>>88059728
See >>88059618
His solution was >>88059473

>>88059728
Read the thread first before responding

>>88059618


Also the other problem is that free shit means nothing if customers don't even want them for free.

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>Marvel nowest

Waiting for the Rich the Leech article.

Print comics are fucking dead
Who wants to spend a meal's worth of money on something you read in less than half an hour?

>>88059643
Gwenpool sells okay but is around the 30,000s. It's not a success as people on /co/ say it is but it's selling better than Captain Marvel.

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So when is Marvel going to let the rest of us get in on Free Comicbook Wednesdays?

>>88059792
this

even rebirth isn't working, it's just the same as before the renumber, all batman and harley quinn, nothing else

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So how low will sales have to go before the House of the Mouse does a brutal take over like the movie studios
will Ike still be able to get a job as a janitor

>>88059803
That is so far from the truth. Their numbers might not be enough to go WOW THE INDUSTRY IS SAVED but they're waaaaay higher than before.

>>88059803
DC is doing actually pretty good both digital and physical. Don't know what you're talking about

Odds on Marvel fast tracking the HYDRA event to end Now?

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>>88059728
At the retailer level, he still can't sell them. Nobody wants them. He's literally giving them away for free as well.

At the distributor level, it artificially inflates Marvel's sales. It makes them look like they're selling more than they really are.

>>88059765
>free shit means nothing
I'm always looking for stuff to burn now that it's coming into Winter.

>>88059803
Hey, come on now, last month DC got Justice League 6 and 7 and Flash into the Top 20... That's... Something.

>>88059339
Jessica Jones for free? Bendis on suicide watch.

>>88059810
Ike still is like third or fourth largest shareholder so if he can't control Marvel he'll start controlling more of Disney.

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>marvel will die in your lifetime

>>88059927
Their comics division might.

>>88059851
It's the same memer who keeps trying to push the Print Is Dead/Comics Are Dead buzzword narrative.

>>88059699
Like what happened with DCYou?
There's hope for Marvel. If they admit to their failings and do a solid, well-thought-out relaunch aimed at addressing criticism, they could honestly easily grab that market leader position back.
But there's no way that's happening with Perlmutter, Alonso and Bendis in anything approaching a position of power.

>>88059473
But /co/ told me that the Great Lakes Avengers are classic characters who were guaranteed to sell well!

>>88059952
All they really need to do is hit the "Peter and MJ are married again for real" button

>>88059952
>If they admit to their failings and do a solid
Okay. I don't want to poop in your cereal, but ask yourself, had marvel ever admitted that they fucked up?

Also, have you seen the announcements for x-men rebirth? They are so far up their collective asses, that the only thing that could improve marvel, would be firing 100% of the staff that works there

>>88059981
Like all they needed to do was hit the "mutants are no longer endangered and threatened constantly" button?

>>88059990
I'm not saying it's likely. As I pointed out, they'd need to somehow get rid of Ike, Bendis and Alonso if they wanted to do that.
I'm just saying that if they turned everything around tomorrow it's not too late to get that goodwill back.

>>88060003
yeah. judging from the reactions, they fubar-ed x-men so hard, they'll need a miracle.

also, they had to give IvX #0 for free to retailers as well

>>88060024
Ah. Goodwill would require word of mouth. And word of mouth, would require people checking marvel books. And checking marvel books would require DC, Image and others to disappear

>>88059990
>had marvel ever admitted that they fucked up?

During Quesada's Marvel and Alonso's Marvel? Very, very rarely.

I mean I'm looking at https://whatwouldspideydo.wordpress.com/2012/11/25/youth-vs-power-and-responsibility/

And while Slott says that all the writers skewed away from Brevoort's assertion that the main theme of Spider-Man is about youth but responsibility, I don't actually get that impression from reading stuff from BND onwards.

Wait, if he doesn't want the comics, and he's getting them for free, why does he stock them at all?

Why doesn't he just keep a box of the free comics at the register and whenever someone buys something just slip an issue into their bag? This doesn't seem like it should be a problem.

>>88060069
It worked for Rebirth, man. Remember how the for the entirety of the buildup to Rebirth #1 people weren't going to give it a chance because DC had fucked them over too many times and they didn't want to bother with another reboot?

HEY MARVEL! Why not just SELL COMICS FOR CHEAPER?! $4 a comic is not a solid strategy! If you're giving them away for free, just cut the costs! That's all you have to do!

>>88060108
He's being made to pay for shipping.

>>88060108
he still gets charged for shipping

>>88060108
He said in another tweet:

>I threw 45 copies of Mosaic #2 in our dollar bin. I've got 35 copies of Great Lakes Avengers #2 ready to go, too.

>>88060117
DC apologied and owned up their mistakes.
If marvel does the same, then we will see

>>88060108
It is a problem.
Marvel sales are dropping, and their response is to just make it look like everything's fine.

Marvel failing to make books people want is bad for the whole industry.

>>88060119
Have you seen the thread about working at marvel? They already underpay their staff, the writers and the artists

>>88059927
>Marvel will die before Stan Lee

>>88060183
maybe if stan hadn't been such a huge jew it wouldnt be that bad

>>88060205
EXCELSIOR MOTHERFUCKERS!
he will also steal the credit for killing marvel

>>88060229
>stan
>not ike

>>88059980
I don't believe you.

>bumping numbers and still can't crack top 10s
JUST

>>88059845
yeah because they JUST relaunched and even then Batman is seeing numbers two or even three times what Superman or Wonder Woman gets

>>88060254
stan was the one who went from a half a mil a year to 800,000 a year, plus half a mil for his wife, plus money for writing the comics, plus a percentage of money from movies/tv shows

>>88060205
Stan is going to die, and all the necromantic energies from his various reliquaries will be released and power Marvel for the next 6000 years.

>>88060119
The price is a huge factor but Marvel (and DC) ends to join the 21st century and make a super easy phone app with a subscription fee

Forget physical media
Go digital
Have physical for collectors

>>88060314
Because Ike tried to fuck him over.

>>88060314
yeah, because IKE tried to outjew him.
still, given how much marvel earns money, it's still shameful how miser they are

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How did someone really think this would be a good idea to go ahead with?

>>88060205
Everyone will die before than Stan Lee.

>>88060405
>Used to read and love Deadpool as a kid
>These last ten years of Deadpool spam

Just kill me

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>>88059473

>>88059803
>even rebirth isn't working
Fuck off shill. Rebirth is one of the single biggest breaths of fresh air the industry has ever seen. They're combining top tier talent with best-in-class editors and the end result is high selling, low cost, genre-defining masterpieces for everyone from casual to hardcore, upper class to lower class, far-right to centrist, and everyone in between.

If every comic publisher was even a quarter as good as DC Rebirth has been, then the comics industry would start to rival its contemporary media sin profitability and popularity. Basically, Marvel and all these Literally Whos like "image" and "IDW" are dragging everyone else down while DC is the only one doing anything to keep the industry a float.

Remember that the next time you think to open your shill mouth and try to imply that Rebirth is anything less than a revelatory experience.

Seriously, when will being a Marvel shill become a bannable offense? All they do is shitpost up and down the board with their blatant bait. I'm fucking sick of the fact that anytime anyone remotely criticizes Marvel, the shills start pouring in to go "b-b-but DC" and spew nothing short of blatant libel. It's like they WANT the comics industry to fail.

>>88060348
They can't do that because Diamond would refuse to ship their comics and there's no alternative distributor in place.

>>88059810
Never because a single Marvel movie makes more money opening weekend than the entire comics industry makes in a year.

>>88060486
Fuck 'em them
They stand to make more on digital than print

>>88058956
They started giving away 2's and 3's last year, this isn't new.

>>88060538
While that's true, they never did it to this extent before.

>>88060482
>genre-defining masterpieces
They're good but I wouldn't go that far

>>88059575
>Hip Hop Variants

How long has this shit been going on? Two years now? Fucking WHAT is the point?

>>88060405
I can't believe they got Alan Moore to write it.

>>88060531
>They stand to make more on digital than print
Not when comixology + apple + digital upkeep take a bigger portion of the sales than LCS + diamond + production do.

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>>88060338

>>88060595
Sounds like someone isn't reading Tomasi's Superman or Priest's Deathstroke.

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>>88060596
I don't know but I like them

>>88060596
The first time around there really was demand for those variants that retailers could take the risk overordering and make up for the losses by selling the Hip-Hop variant at high prices.

>>88060598
I don't see The Original Writer anywhere on that cover.

>>88060603
>Not when comixology + apple + digital upkeep take a bigger portion of the sales
Why bother with current digital apps?

Marvel needs their own proprietary one.
Fuck Comixology
And
>digital upkeep>print production
Lol

>>88060622
>Tomasi Superman
>genre-defining
>masterpiece
It was really difficult writing this post because of how hard I'm laughing

>>88060596
>How long has this shit been going on? Two years now? Fucking WHAT is the point?
> enhanced-30381-1436885831-7
Marvel Comics has revealed a series of hip-hop themed variant covers being released in October.

“For years, Marvel Comics and Hip-Hop culture have been engaged in an ongoing dialog,” Marvel EIC Axel Alonso said in a press release. “Beginning this October, we will shine a spotlight on the seamless relationship between those two unique forces.”
Marvel is hip with the urban kidz.
http://comicbook.com/2015/07/14/marvel-reveals-hip-hop-variant-covers/

>>88060628
and then marvel published a collection of the variants and gave it to retailers for free

>>88060316
>Stan kills Ike
>thus performing the last Jewiquening and unleashing the Gathering (of comapny shares)
>Stan becomes the new god of comics

>>88059927
Marvel has gone bankrupt like twice already. They almost killed the entire comic industry last time.

They just aren't a good company.

>>88060628
If the variants weren't incentives then I would have legit bought a bunch of comics I otherwise wouldn't have just for the covers. Making them all incentives with insane requirements is just shitty so I passed.

Then they released all of the first wave covers as part of standalone issue thus defeating the point. I'm just going to wait for them to collect all of the hip-hop covers so far into a nice trade. It'd be a pretty good coffee table book.

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>>88060205
You got me

>>88059845
>That is so far from the truth
He's actually right, anon. A lot of DC comics are slowly dropping to their n52 numbers and Batman is actually making less.

>>88059981
Renew Your Vows is good. Continuityfags ruin everything.

>>88060700
>A lot of DC comics are slowly dropping to their n52 numbers

On their 10th issue?

>>88060701
But Ewing is both the best writer Marvel has and the biggest continuityfag in the industry

> sales thread will happen
> "REBIRTH IS DEAD"
> "MAHVEL IS BACK"
> its ridiculous artificially produced numbers

lmao

>>88060482
saved that copypasta

>>88060660
>“For years, Marvel Comics and Hip-Hop culture have been engaged in an ongoing dialog,”

That's the most retarded marketing speak I've ever heard

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>>88060660
>For years, Marvel Comics and Hip-Hop culture have been engaged in an ongoing dialog

>>88060822
MF Doom would have a word with you.

Him and plenty of others.

>>88060723
The monthly books haven't gotten passed there 5th yet and some of bimonthly didn't reach 10th yet either.

Also, the relaunch giving only a temporary boost isn't actually a good thing.

>>88060660
>“For years, Marvel Comics and Hip-Hop culture have been engaged in an ongoing dialog,”

>sued a rapper for parodying cover

>>88060660
Holy shit! What white haired exec came up with this bullshit?

>>88060879
>rappers make references
>must mean they are having a dialogue


thats not a dialogue you fucking idiot, by that logic DC has had more of a dialogue since Jay-Z named a whole album after Kingdom Come

>>88060948
Who did they sue?

>>88060678
>Stan becomes the new god of comics
>new god of comics
>new god

FUCKING TAKING FROM KIRBY AGAIN REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>88060907
Yep, because that's pretty much mean that nothing changed.

DC isn't doing as bad as Marvel right now, but we can't say that they are doing great.

>>88060660
That's the funniest paragraph i've ever read

>>88061011
EXCELSIOR

>>88061021
We most certainly can considering they actually managed to have majority market share after dropping 10% behind Marvel during DCYou.

You retards want to pretend
>They're both teh same!!!1!!
But that's fucking false.

Don't forget that Marvel started their own Lootcrate. We all know how heavily Lootcrate skews comic sales. From now on, all they have to do is drop 5-10 floppies in a box and they can take over the entire top 10 whenever they want.

>>88061021
If DC apporach with rebirth didn't work, then what the comic companies can do to save the industry from dying?

Why don't they outsource the comics to another publisher? Dark Horse, for instance.

>>88061005
>Jay-Z named a whole album after Kingdom Come

I'm not sure if you're serious but Kingdom Come is a biblical term... You know, where the comic got it's name from.

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>DC starts by giving out a previews magazine everyone wants for free.
>Marvel counters by giving out comics nobody wants for free.
Touche, Marvel.

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>>88060660
Who the fuck are they trying to appeal with this?

>>88061064
They manged to get it because Marvel is doing really bad right now, anon.

DC rebirth is a big improvement over DCYou, but it's not doing much better than New 52.

Ryan Higgins has pretty much become a /co/ meme at this point. I'm surprised there aren't any comics of him, drowning in floods of unsellable Marvel overships or panicking over shitty editorial and marketing decisions.

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>>88061172
>for free
I want a statue of him.

>>88059980

no one gave a shit about Great Lakes Avengers when they were an actual thing, why would anyone care when they're trying to be nostalgic thing?

>>88061097
Honestly? Nothing.

>>88061135
holy shit, you dont know that he actually named the album and song after the comic? Like his producer told him all about how Superman comes out of retirement and Jay-Z thought that would be perfect for his new album. Thus the name.

http://www.xxlmag.com/news/hip-hop-today/2013/11/today-hip-hop-jay-z-releases-kingdom-come/


>The idea for the album’s title came from Jay Z’s production engineer, Young Guru. A comic book fanatic, Young Guru told Jay Z about the graphic novel, Kingdom Come, where Superman comes out of retirement to show the younger generation of superheroes how to be real heroes. This storyline was similar to what Jay Z was doing with this album; coming out of retirement and showing the new rappers how rapping is really done.
God you fucking casual piece of shit, dont pretend to be an authority on anything ever again.


Shame the album was so shit.

>>88058956
How the hell can the AVENGERS do that bad?

>>88061064
The only people who pretend Marvel and DC are the same are Marvelfags

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>>88061184
>DC rebirth is a big improvement over DCYou, but it's not doing much better than New 52.

>>88061202
>Kamandi comic
Why am I not surprised?

>>88061222
I'm sorry I don't listen to fucking Jay Z.

>>88061259
being sorry is not enough. we must think of some punishment for you. tomorrow you will go to school or to work (but probably school) with only your pants on and nothing else

>>88061244
That's really NOT MUCH BETTER.

>>88061259
Then why even get into the converation?

>>88061286
A 29% increase is not much better?

>>88061259
>I don't listen to Jay-Z
>but I'm going to pretend to be an authority on it


the ignorant cancer like you is ruining /co/

>>88061231
I wasn't too keen on the first issue.

>>88058972
>how many copies of Mosaic #3 do you want?
>none, sorry
>fine, have ten!
>but I--
>AND SO OUR COMICS SELL LIKE HOTCAKES! EXCELSIOR!

>>88061231
Waid. And his safe space

>>88061231
ANAD Avengers was shit and it retained the same writer.

>>88061286
Dear God, I hope you don't work in anything relating to money or sales.

>>88061310
Kingdom Come is a cancer. A static derivative cancer.

>>88061244
Lel, do you even read the posts you quote?

DC got a really big boost at the beginning of the relaunch because unlike n52, they didn't relaunch all their books at the same month. Still, the rebirth books are already falling to their old numbers which means it was just a temporary boost and nothing changed.

>>88061382
Eat a dick, faggot.

>>88061382
okay, backpedalling, shitposting and moving the goalposts. all the cancer for the price of 1. you must be really a dedicated marvelfag if you use the same tactics as they do

>>88061406
>the rebirth books are already falling
How many cents today, dear intern?

>>88059892
>l, he still can't sell them. Nobody wants them. He's literally giving them away for free as well.
>At the distributor level, it artificially inflates Marvel's sales. It makes them look like they're selling more than they re

Cheers, now that makes sense to me and why people are hostile towards this.

Look at the rabbits Marvel just look at the rabbits

>>88061419
I'm the guy who just told him to suck a dick. He's not me.

>>88061438
I actually only read DC, but I'm not blind to the truth like you.

The October sells report proved to me that nothing changed like we all hoped to.

>>88061507
>I actually only read DC
Sure, sure.

>>88061521
Next he's gonna say his girlfriend buys his comics

>>88061097
Make actual comics magazines like 2000AD?
10$ for 60 pages of 3 or 4 different series packaged around a common theme like Magic/Adventure/Space or by the level of the superhero street/flying bricks/cosmic etc

>>88061184
New 52 numbers were considered great though. It was DCYou that was undesirable, sales-wise.

>>88059473
top fucking lel

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>>88061556
Like pic related but ongoing?

>>88058956
Thank you, Ike Perlmutter, for continuing to prove that Kevin Feige was right to break away from you.

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>>88061700
>No more Sugar and Spike
>No more Metal Men
dang

>>88061556

but Marvel and DC both acknowledge that anthology books don't sell.
fuck 2000AD barely sells in Europe

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>>88060405
sad we will never get another one of the superior amalgam because of Disney petty bullshit

>>88061507
Just ignore them because I'm also DCfan and I agree that they are not doing that great.

>>88061807
t. false-flagging marvel shill

>>88061807
>>88061507
Not fooling anyone.

>>88059473
Kek. Funniest thing I saw all day. Bless you anon.

>>88061748
Yeah. Sugar and Spike at least appeared in Blue Beetle.
Some condolence, I know.

>>88061406
>Still, the rebirth books are already falling to their old numbers which means it was just a temporary boost and nothing changed.
Most every Rebirth title is selling ahead of their New-52 equivalents.
http://www.comicsbeat.com/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-september-2016-young-chemical-romance/

>>88061184
>but it's not doing much better than New 52.

Pre-New 52 Green Arrow:

08/2010: Green Arrow #3 -- 46,308 (+ 5.0%)
09/2010: Green Arrow #4 -- 44,220 (- 4.5%)
10/2010: Green Arrow #5 -- 42,188 (- 4.6%)
11/2010: Green Arrow #6 -- 39,575 (- 6.2%)
12/2010: Green Arrow #7 -- 36,835 (- 6.9%)
01/2011: Green Arrow #8 -- 35,307 (- 4.2%)
02/2011: Green Arrow #9 -- 33,922 (- 3.9%)
03/2011: Green Arrow #10 -- 33,085 (- 2.5%)
04/2011: Green Arrow #11 -- 32,669 (- 1.3%)
05/2011: Green Arrow #12 -- 31,742 (- 2.8%)
06/2011: Green Arrow #13 -- 27,552 (- 13.2%)
07/2011: Green Arrow #14 -- 25,568 (- 7.2%)
08/2011: Green Arrow #15 -- 23,883 (- 6.6%)

New 52 Green Arrow:

09/2011: Green Arrow #1 -- 61,680 (+158.3%) [72,359]
10/2011: Green Arrow #2 -- 58,708 (- 4.8%)
11/2011: Green Arrow #3 -- 46,899 (- 20.1%)
12/2011: Green Arrow #4 -- 37,116 (- 20.9%)
01/2012: Green Arrow #5 -- 33,593 (- 9.5%)
02/2012: Green Arrow #6 -- 30,097 (- 10.4%)
03/2012: Green Arrow #7 -- 29,004 (- 3.6%)
04/2012: Green Arrow #8 -- 27,433 (- 5.4%)
05/2012: Green Arrow #9 -- 26,966 (- 1.7%)
06/2012: Green Arrow #10 -- 25,769 (- 4.4%)
07/2012: Green Arrow #11 -- 24,646 (- 4.4%)
08/2012: Green Arrow #12 -- 23,126 (- 6.2%)

Rebirth:

06/2016: Rebirth #1 -- 89,936 (+373.0%) [97,243]
06/2016: Green Arrow #1 -- 76,816 (- 4.4%) [92,931]
07/2016: Green Arrow #2 -- 80,134 (- 13.8%)
07/2016: Green Arrow #3 -- 80,150 (+ 0.0%)
08/2016: Green Arrow #4 -- 74,335 (- 7.3%)
08/2016: Green Arrow #5 -- 69,530 (- 6.5%)
09/2016: Green Arrow #6 -- 55,330 (- 20.4%)
09/2016: Green Arrow #7 -- 52,794 (- 4.6%)

>>88061882
Its just the Marvelshills trying to push their anti-Rebirth narrative. Don't worry, they're part of a dieing breed.

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>>88058972
>>88059339
>inflating IIM, Champions and Jessica Jones sales

>>88061901
How did Green Arrow survive till 52

>>88061172
Marvel's had free previews for years

>>88061901
Uh anon, you actually proving his point by posting this because GA is losing 10k every month like n52 did.

>>88061973
Maybe it got better with later issues. I know /co/ praises Lemire's GA, maybe sales reflected.

>>88061974
Not like this one, anon. Just check it.

>>88061748
Metal Men just popped up in Cave Carson

>>88062002
>Uh anon, you actually proving his point by posting this because GA is losing 10k every month like n52 did.

Green Arrow losing 10K while its sales are at 52,000 on the 7th issue is different from losing 10K while at 29,000 on the 7th issue.

>>88061901
What the heck happened to #6

>>88062092
Last returnable issue.

>>88062044
Also Wild Dog.
And there's the Wonder Twins in the Super Powers backup.

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>>88060314
Ike fucked with the wrong fellow Jew

>>88061757
Of course they'd sell if the main Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman book was an anthology series. Right now they fill them with lower interest characters so ofc they're gonna sell lower. But if you put up the main Batman series in the front, and Metamopho and Amethist in the back it's gonna sell, if you price it right. They just need to hit on the right combos of stories and characters.

>>88062092
It's Emiko episode.

Do people think the Diamond sales chart actually matters? Retailers don't use it to base orders on - they order based on past sales numbers. All that matters is the money Marvel (or any other publisher) is making. Sure, there is some publicity, but the numbers are embarrassingly small to be crowing about. A comic selling 50,000 copies? That's fucking nothing. The population of America is 318.9 million people.

>>88062125
>but the numbers are embarrassingly small to be crowing about. A comic selling 50,000 copies? That's fucking nothing. The population of America is 318.9 million people.

So?

>>88062002
>New 52 Green Arrow
>Starting Sales: 61860
>Average Monthly Attrition: 5476

>Rebirth Green Arrow
>Starting Sales: 76816
>Average Monthly Attrition: 4004

>>88060314
he was provoked

>>88062170
Don't fuck with Stan, or he'll take the credit for you

>>88062182
>commit a murder
>meet Stan and confess him the crime
>he will gladly take the fall for me
Neat.

>>88062207
>implying police can touch stan the man
EXCELSIOR, True Believer!

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>>88061974
>Marvel Previews
>$1.25
>Or free with purchase of Diamond Previews

>Direct Currents
>Free

>Marvel's had free previews for years

>>88062077
Yes because new 52 relaunch was a disaster and hurt a lot of their books.

The fact that they are losing 10k every month prove this anon is actually has a point >>88061184

>>88062182
>fuck with Stan
>he takes credit for your conseption and becomes your father
>disowns you and takes you out of the will

>>88062228
it's called marvel method

>>88062223
>MUST... TRY.... HARDER!

>>88062223
>Yes because new 52 relaunch was a disaster and hurt a lot of their books.
>The book sells better than before the relaunch
>somehow it proves my point
wut?

>>88059793
Honestly 'doing okay' is better than I expected when it first started coming out. The fact it is outselling Captain Marvel is just a delight

>>88062223
You still don't have a point there. "it's not doing much better than New 52" doesn't mean much when the chart showed they hit the 20,000 level faster than the Rebirth series did.

>>88061202
>JLA Roster?
>didn't end up with Barda, Plas, or Metamorpho
you lied to me Dan ;_;

>>88062223
>>88062262
>/co/mbler is /v/ now
That's what this place needed.

>>88062272
He thinks "they both lost 10K orders" proves his point even though they're at different sales levels issue to issue.

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Are actual comic sale figures accessible to the general public? None of that Diamond bullshit, actual sales.

>>88059980
I like the GLA and have been enjoying the new series so far, but I don't remember anyone saying it would be a success. Just that they were happy to see Marvel hadn't completely forgotten them.

>>88062340
You only have yourself to blame.

>>88062348
>Are actual comic sale figures accessible to the general public?

They're not. The best people can do is estimate based on the Diamond charts (which deal with preorders and reorders) and go by what retailers are saying.

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>>88062340
>boo hoo hoo

>>88062348
The closest thing we have is bookstore trade sales

>>88062392
Comic book stores can return issues that didn't sell, right? Are those returned comics accounted for in the Diamond charts?

>>88061901

Readers lost by end of month 4 of New 52 - 24,564

Readers lost by end of month 4 in Rebirth - 37142

Rebirth is bleeding more readers than New 52. The only reason it looks slower is because it's double shipped.

>>88062221
Previews is free digitally

>>88062438
>source: my sore ass

>>88062438

you also have to take in mind that Rebirth sold a lot more than new52.

>>88059927
They died when they sold themselves to the mouse.

>>88062428
>Comic book stores can return issues that didn't sell, right?

No. Only in certain exceptions. DC only does it when they announce it (like for instance with Rebirth they said at the start the first six issues of the $2.99 titles and the first three issues of the $3.99 titles are returnable), but usually, most comics sold to comic shops aren't returnable.

Diamond did reflect it by putting an asterisk next to the returnable ones on the chart (and also indicating that they reduced the order number by 10% to place it where they did on said chart).

>>88062428
>Comic book stores can return issues that didn't sell, right? Are those returned comics accounted for in the Diamond charts?
The initial Rebirth issues were returnable and Diamond took that into account by slashing 10% off the sales numbers. No Marvel books are returnable.

>>88062423
All I can find are various articles discussing sales for a few trades. Do you have a site that gives information for all trade sales?

>>88062340
At least /v/ is active rather than fucking dead except on certain days of the week

>>88062438

Good, now contrast those numbers to the amount of sold issues and then you get a good percentage estimate.

>>88061419
>backpedaling
On my first post in the thread, even.
Sure is sensitive faggot in here.

>>88062438
>A title doing 37,000 at #4 is doing better than a title at 53,000 at #7 guys, you have to believe me!

No.

>>88059768
>>Marvel JUSTest

>>88062514
>three hours later
slowpoke

>>88062490
>>88062493
Fuck. I thought there was at least SOME benefit to Diamond. What purpose do they serve besides fucking over comic distribution? Anything positive?

Why does their monopoly continue to exist?

>>88062501
Back when Comic Book Resources was competent they ran Brian Hibbs' column which usually had an entry each year linking to and analyzing the Bookscan charts.

>>88062488
When I remember shills going
>DONALD DUCK COMICS PUBLISHED BY MARVEL WHEN

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>>88060405
>"Joe Quesada was asked if the Ultimate Universe and the Main Marvel Universe would ever cross over and he replied no. Quesada said he'd rather close down one universe than have them cross over because it meant they were officially out of ideas."

>>88062546
They exist because the newsstand market is worse than the direct market.

>>88062567
asking for this dude to stop being EiC was a real monkey's paw, eh

>>88062567
I mean they did close down Ultimate

>>88062533
I was drawing, no time passed at all for me.

>>88062637
nice blogpost

>>88062300
Listen idiot, Rebirth has a better start than n52 because a) GA for example didn’t have to compete with another 51 books when it was released b) retailers order the same amount of #2 and #3 for examples because they came out on the same month which is why you don't see a big gap compared to #2 and #3 of n52 c) Rebirth supposed to keep their books from falling and the fact they are dropping 10k every month means that NOTHING CHANGED and the boost is just TEMPORARY.

You get it now?

>>88062247
10/10

>>88062670
Trying to pretend to be angry doesn't make your post any more convincing.

> retailers order the same amount of #2 and #3

I compared the sales of New 52 #4 and Rebirth #7.

You seem to be confused about what your arguing about.

Is there honestly any reason to read captain marvel except because marvel is pushing it like it was in childbirth?

>>88062637
>some webcomic loser attacking DC
Good to know.

>>88062619
About a year or two after Peter crossed over to Ultimate in 'Spider-Men'

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>>88062666
It was okay, but forgot to post a pic of my lunch.

>>88062567
well they did

>>88062750
fuck no

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>>88060660
>For years, Marvel Comics and Hip-Hop culture have been engaged in an ongoing dialog

>>88062750
Older issues (when DeConnick was writing the book) were pretty great and worth tracking down. But /co/ will deny this because her feminism triggers them and makes them run to a safe space But the current writing team is shit.

Marvel's hyping the character because she's getting a movie, which is basically their whole business model for every character now.

>>88062785
I like DC just fine, anon, just no KC.
Sorry to disrupt your narrative.
I am, however, a loser. So good on you for spotting that.

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>>88062848
>I am, however, a loser. So good on you for spotting that.
Thanks! It wasn't hard anyway.

>>88062843
Sorry about your taste, anon

>>88062843
>Older issues (when DeConnick was writing the book) were pretty great and worth tracking down

The art alone is reason enough to not buy that shit.

>>88062843
Good to know

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>>88062878
Yeah, I mean I'm on 4chan, that's like a dead give away.

>>88062890
keeping interest going for that much longer is quite obviously a success

>>88062670
>Rebirth supposed to keep their books from falling

1) At no point did anyone say that.
2) As seen here, >>88062151 Rebirth titles not only started at higher initital numbers but are experiencing a slower standard attrition rate.
2) You're dumb as fuck if you don't think standard attrition drops aren't going to happen.

>>88062723
>I compared the sales of New 52 #4 and Rebirth #7

New 52
11/2011: Green Arrow #3 -- 46,899
12/2011: Green Arrow #4 -- 37,116

Rebirth
08/2016: Green Arrow #5 -- 69,530
09/2016: Green Arrow #7 -- 52,794

>Rebirth has a better start because a) GA for example didn’t have to compete with another 51 books when it was released

>c) Rebirth supposed to keep their books from falling and the fact they are dropping 10k every month means that NOTHING CHANGED and the boost is just TEMPORARY

......

>>88059473
Is this Carmine Street Comics Anon???

Shills on CBR are already desperate

>Marvel has done this for years with various titles. So, not a big deal.

>Every month on these boards for ages and ages, someone - or several someones - will post a "Uh oh..." style post that makes some idle, doom-crying speculation about Marvel's sales. And yet, somehow, Marvel always does ok for themselves.

>>88062936
See >>88062438

Issue of rebirth #7 is the fourth month since the relaunch like issue of n52 #4 was and both lost over 30k in four months.

>>88062976
If you can't see the problem with a title hitting 30,000 early on with a title that managed to slow down the drop, you're not getting it yet.

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>>88063083

>>88059473
>use our Bathroom without a purchase, get Mosaic #1 for free!

>>88063133
>Marvel doesn't lose money
being owned by Disney I guess this is technically true?

The Mouse won't tolerate shite sales forever though.

>>88059575
gwenpool is fun.

howard the duck is fun too (usually) but i don't like his recent redesign so i haven't been following it.

>>88063083

Seriously, why do they suck Marvel's cock so much? I really doubt the Mouse pays shills to promote fucking comics instead of movies.

>>88063439
Console war mentality

>>88062488
>Implying
Civil War, OMD and House of M still happened without disney

>>88060879
>some shitty backpacker nobody's heard of

>>88060205
>Stan ascends to his true form after Marvel collapses
>Ike is trying to prevent the Stanpocalypse

>>88062976
In your mind do you imagine that a comic is a success if the sales remain the same or higher month to month? Cause that very rarely happens.

>>88062438
Man, comics is indeed a dying industry.

No wonder why Mouse is only focusing on MCU and WB trying so hard to make DCEU work.

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>>88059339

>Gwenpool Holiday

>>88059749

Still its a Gwenpool book not selling, so the regular book must have inflated numbers as well

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>>88062567
>When things are so shit at Marvel even Quesadilla doesnt seem that bad in retrospect
holy fuck how did we let it get this bad

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>>88063737
>Man, comics is indeed a dying industry.

You think comics are doing bad, go look at magazines.

>>88063737
>shilling all those crap MCU movies
Man, your arguments are indeed dying.

>>88063859
Who the fuck cares about Newsweek?

>>88059749
>Ryan North

Better than Hacksthings, Squirrel Girl would be an all around succes if they changed the artwork, the writting is actually good not that aimless bullshit that Gwenpool pulls

>>88063929
>the writing is actually good
Read real comics, please.

>>88063908
The people who don't read Time, I guess.

>>88063147
>hey you
>can you read?
>FREE MOSAIC THEN
>which number?
>All of them! we will put in your pull for free.

>>88059793
Selling that much for a character that, name aside, holds no connection to another character, who started life as a variant cover, does not have big name creators working on it and whose biggest supporting character is fucking Batroc is really damn good.

>>88064067
it isn't. it's just pathetic

>>88060518
So they can just let the comics sell like shit, maybe it would be bad publicity if Marvel is seen as the comic loser, but normies probably don't care about it

>>88063711
In my mind, comics not losing 10k every month and dropping to their old numbers (or sometimes less) means that the relaunch was a success and not just a pointless temporary boost.

I don't want DC to fail because their characters are the reason why I read comics and they honestly did their best with rebirth (and I'm really enjoying it), but unfortunately nothing really changed and it's prove that there's literally nothing they can do to keep the readers interested.

Marvel is already in miserable state (and they bring it to themselves),the indies are still not doing well and DC is losing readers faster than N52. All of these isn't giving me hope about the future of comic industry.

>>88064224
>DC is losing readers faster than N52
If that meme makes you happy...

>>88059473
It does kind of suck in that I'm enjoying Mosaic well enough and it'd be nice for the book to last long enough to find some kind of footing.

Art is great too, hopefully Randolph gets a bigger gig. If Generation X had an actual good writer/roster attached to it he'd be great for that.

>>88063887
Saying that mouse is focusing on MCU means that I'm shilling them? What kind of logic is that?

>>88060405
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbVqzZ5dOIY

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>Marvel and their shills are going to brag about how they won December sales
I'd honestly be embarrassed if I worked for them. At least DC never sunk to this level even at the height of DCYou when their sales were hitting rock bottom. They looked at the reasons why the books weren't selling and addressed them. Marvel just cook the fucking books so it looks like everything is fine.

>>88064224
Is Snyder's Batman a failure because there were times that it lost 10K between months? Keep in mind that it's stayed above 100,000 all the way to Rebirth while pre-New 52 the title was at the low 50,000s (I forgot who was writing it at the time but I remember Morrison was on Batman Inc instead while David Finch was on Batman The Dark Knight).

>>88063259
>The Mouse won't tolerate shite sales forever though.
I think it can, they just need Marvel name for the movie, who are never going to fail because the public love them, no matter what the horrible sales in comic it dosen't affect the movies, so Disney can just keep give money to Marvel to stay alive

>>88061748
I hope Metal Men gets a trade like Sugar and Spike did

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>>88059927
>Marvel will go full movies/television in your lifetime

>>88059575

What if...

They took all the C-comics and merged them together into some sort of Saturday Supercade type of deal? Squirrel Girl and Duckpool all in one place!

>>88064346
I hope classic Metal Men gets a digital reprint.

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>>88064325
>are never going to fail because the public love them

>>88064371
If Marvel end up go full synergy with the movie and TV, wouldn't they have to start making less legacy chracters comics and push the one that are going to appear in the movie more?

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>>88060660

>For years, Marvel Comics and Hip-Hop culture have been engaged in an ongoing dialog,” Marvel EIC Axel Alonso said in a press release. “Beginning this October, we will shine a spotlight on the seamless relationship between those two unique forces.”Marvel is hip with the urban kidz

Augh, that's gonna sound as dated as the Dazzler in a few years.

>>88064420
But is right, lets face it Spiderman homecoming looks like shit, but is going to make millions just because Spiderman in his name there no wayto stop the MCU

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>>88064346
hopefully

>>88064433
I sincerely doubt hip-hop is going to go the same route as disco

>>88064433
>For years, Marvel Comics and Hip-Hop culture have been engaged in an ongoing dialog
Where did they get hip-hop's number?

>>88064441
>Spiderman
You interns don't even read the wikis, do you?

Oh yeah, I forgot your computers have no access to the Internet.

>>88061382
explain yourself! kingdom come was great!

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>>88059282
Marvel Nower, ladies and gentlemen!

>>88064304
>Is Snyder's Batman a failure because there were times that it lost 10K between months?
No because a 10k drop in a book that sell 100k isn't as noticeable as in a book that sells under 100k (which is most of dc books).

>>88064545
It really wasn't

>>88064531
> Implying a Spider-man movie is not going to make millions

>>88064604
>now he remembers to correctly spell the franchise he's shilling for
Gotta make them cents hard, huh?

>>88064627
Uncle fester is not paying them like he used to

>>88059575
>give Miles to a competent writer.
Stop pretending Miles has potential. Stop pretending he'll be interesting under any other writer. Marvel has proven these theories wrong at every turn.

>>88058956
>Marvel
>House of Recycled Ideas
Meanwhile at DC they are retteling Wonder Woman origin for 100th time, and doing Reign of the Supermen for the 2nd time.

>>88064704
Maybe he could work as supporting character

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>>88059339
>Gwenpool holiday

>>88064713
What does DC have to with shit?

>>88064627
Bt he has point a Spiderman movie is never going to fail in making money specially now that Robert downey jr is gonna appear in the movie

>>88064325
>Is it possible that they shut dow the comic division? Maybe they could have the Marvel channel with cartoons instead of comic books, that would be fail proof

>>88064713
Which means that at some point Marvel will retell Carol Danvers' origin for the 100th time, and doing some event from the past decades for the 2nd time.

>>88064581
cool story, excellent art. for it's time it really was.

>>88058956
how did they go from star wars and other titles ruling the charts to this

>>88064892
>Is it possible that they shut dow the comic division?
No they can let that happen it would look as a defeat at the eyes of the public, they just need to keep the division alive, maybe thats why they're going for the diversity route is just click bait to keep Marvel relevant, there people that claim they want Miles in the MCU even if thay haven't read his book, becasue much better than plain old white Peter

>>88065023
So gung-ho diversity isn't one of the reasons for the low sales?

>>88064924
The story was Waid and Ross whining about the rise of 90s anti-heroes in a typically edgy 90s story, and the art was typical good-for-posters-bad-for-comics Ross fare

>>88059990
You wont see a formal apology. Ever.
You might see one day, they change Brevoort for someone else. It could be one of three options: Someone with time working there like Bendis, someone from inside Disney from another branch, or a complete outsider to shake things up. The alast one is the best, but also would show that the higher ups lost any faith in current Marvel. In any case, like others have said, this isnt the first time Marvel fucks up badly. The only difference this time, is that they have Disney to pick them up from the floor.

>>88065056
No is probably one the reasons because they're trying to push legacy chracters too much alienating the original readers, but maybe they know they're never going to die because the have mouse behind their back so they just gonna keep pushing diversity to look relevant to the public with click bait comics, like Captain Hydra

>>88058956
Jesus the amount of people that cannot check data or even know numbers.

Do you guys want me to do a simple Excel with 3 to 6 books from each side and comparing the numbers from 2010 to 2016?

Is very simple to check how the fuck they doing, numbers do not lie.
The ways to get those numbers are something different.

Marvel
> Iron-Man
> Spider-man
> Avengers
> ??? B-List Hero book
> ??? B-List Hero book
> ??? C-List Hero book

DC
> Batman
> Sups
> Justice League
> Arrow
> ??? B-List Hero Book
> ??? C-List Hero Book


Give me suggestions and in 45 minutes I have you a complete report.

>>88059575
>Gwenpool needs to be purged

Shut face, it's the only marvel book I pick up regularly right now.

>>88062423
That would mean Marvel sells basically nothing.

>>88065168
Green Arrow

>>88060338
>cooking the books
isnt that straight up illegal?

>>88065075
>muh Liefeld books!

>>88065203
I mean trades are where the real money is so yeah

>>88059892
>At the distributor level, it artificially inflates Marvel's sales. It makes them look like they're selling more than they really are.
What's the point though? They're not making any money off of it, and I'm sure that if Disney looks at anything, it's gonna be their bank account. So is it just so their e-dick looks bigger?

>>88064346
its listed coming out Dec 27 according to amazon

>>88065285
Maybe Disney just need Marvel alive to publicity they probably don't care about sales

>>88065168
>numbers do not lie.
Actually they do in this case since every place that measures this will measure free Marvel comics in their sales figures. In fact, the comic industry is notorious for numbers lying since they count books sold to retailers, not books sold to consumers. There's a reason actual book stores are allowed to return unsold books to the publisher while comic stores can't return floppies.

>>88065242
Compare Kingdom Come to Morrison's JLA. Both are pushbacks against the worst of the 90s, but where Kingdom Come was negative and not too far removed from the "edgy" stories it was decrying, JLA was optimistic and a return to more classic superhero stories

>>88065343
Did you read what I said next? No? Of course not

>>88065358
But anon, Waid also wrote JLA; you should hate JLA too.

>>88065023
...except they do that every three years or so with their video game divisions. They fire everybody and close all their doors, then a new executive gets curious about video games and they restart it.

Disney is a fucking mess internally, so I wouldn't doubt Marvel could go on the chopping block easily.

>>88065404
>Disney is a fucking mess internally
What happened?

>>88065382
If the way used to get the numbers is different then the numbers are meaningless at best and outright lying at worst. Numbers absolutely lie, and the people that say they don't are usually the people that are easiest to lie to using numbers.

>>88059980
GLA is a classic. I think Squirrel Girl is a classic too.
Marvel is just a leaky ship and no one trusts them with weird shit like GLA anymore. Would you? They're ruining everything they touch. X-men is ruined. Guardians ruined. Legacy diversity hires ruining mantles and so on. When GLA is not a solid cast of characters or stories but instead the perfect self reflective/deconstructive tool, why would people read it when Marvel cannot even construct effectively.

>>88064441
I wish Homecoming would flop and kill off Spiderman for good.

>>88065391
I'm not even sure how to respond to this so I'll settle for calling you a fag