Will cartoons ever be as good as anime?

No. America's general idea of animation is firmly stuck in two notions: It's either kid-friendly stuff like Disney/Pixar films or adult-oriented "humor" like Family Guy, Sausage Party, and South Park. There's no way that's going to change any time soon.

>>88050994
Plus we don't pay our animators slave wages and our live action studios are much more robust.

>>88050616
>anime
>good

>>88050616
>animation
>good

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You mean cartoons won't ever crutch on fanservice of waifubaits to appeal to the NEET weebs who give their shows high ratings and figure sales?

That's fine by me.

>>88050616

>sequence of drawings that create the illusion of movement
>good

>>88050616
But france has already beaten anime and american cartoons

>>88050616
>Will cartoons ever be as good as anime?
Not while plebs like you are judging them.

>>88051007
Your animators are in South Korea, not America. I don't know how much Korean animators are paid, but I doubt it's much different from Japan.

>>88051137
The amount of fanservice in anime is massively exaggerated (while every instance of sexual content in Western live action is swept under the rug). Waifubait is not a real thing, it doesn't exist. NEET is not synonymous with otaku or anime fan, it means someone who is unemployed and not in education. Weebs are a tiny subset of American anime viewers are completely irrelevant to the anime industry.

And no, American animation is never going to be as good any more than Japan is ever going to rival Hollywood.

>>88050616

>Finish Avatar
>Wow, that was good, now I need something to fill the void
>Let's try Cowboy Bebop, often called the best anime
>No story, boring characters and nothing happens

Yeah, no, fuck anime.

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>>88051230

>Waifubait is not a real thing, it doesn't exist

Are weebs seriously in denial that otaku pandering is fucking rampant in anime?

>>88051231
There are many thousands of anime belonging to every genre, covering countless subjects and themes. Some shows are very plot-driven and focused, other less so.

Cowboy Bebop is not the best anime, it's just one anime among many others.

>>88051265
I'm not a weeb, and otaku pandering doesn't exist either. "I don't like this, therefore it must be pandering" is not valid logic.

>>88051265

>otaku pandering doesn't exist either

You're either trolling or in very deep denial.

>>88051320
Again: "I don't like this, therefore it must be pandering" is not valid logic. If you think it's valid logic then explain how.

>>88051230
t. weeb in denial

>>88051385
Ok, then explain how anything I said in that post was wrong.

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>>88050616
M80.

>>88051230
>he thinks weebshit isn't animated by Koreans too
Jej.

>>88051334

Alright, you're baiting then. I'm gonna stop responding.

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>>88051334
Hey are you the "moeshit doesn't exist" guy from a few weeks ago?

>>88051231
FLCL is the best anime to exist.

Probably the best in animation.

Utena is close second if you don't mind allegories and metaphors.

>>88051443
The vast majority of the production work is done in Japan. Even things like in-betweening and coloring are still done in Japan. Outsourcing some work is not the same thing as outsourcing all of it.

>>88051466
So you can't explain how it's valid logic. And somehow that means I'm baiting.

>>88051482
Even if I was, what would it matter? Do you think it's some kind of argument to say that someone has posted on 4chan before?

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>>88051509
It is you! How you been man?

>>88051523
Again:
>Even if I was, what would it matter? Do you think it's some kind of argument to say that someone has posted on 4chan before?

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>>88051535
Hey I'm trying to be friendly here dude.

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>>88051535
ayo what up

>>88051544
>>88051545
If you are this obsessed with simulating user accounts and post histories, just return to Reddit.

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>>88051554

>>88051554
Wow rude. I thought we had something special Moefriend.

>>88051574
I am not from Reddit. You are from Reddit. That's why you're obsessed with simulating features of Reddit.

>>88051594
>>>/Reddit/

>>88051600
Aw jeez Moefriend, I don't even know how to use Reddit.

>>88051619
>>>/Reddit/

>>88051489

>Utena

Finally, someone with some good motherfucking taste around here.

It's a pointless argument because the two go for completely different audiences and goals. For example I don't know if ANYONE in Japan would understand why Space Ghost is funny (sometimes). But at the same time some shows are so culturally Japanese that they just fly over the heads of non-natives.

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>>88051629
Moefriend stop you're hurting me.

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>>88051600
>I am not from Reddit

>>88051646
>>>/Reddit/

>>88051651
That's right, I'm not. But you are. So: >>>/Reddit/

>>88051489

As long as it has a story to get invested in and characters to care about, I can give it a chance. I can't stand "villain of the week".

>>88051655
>>>/Reddit/

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>>88051655
I don't like Reddit, Moefriend. They don't let me call people I don't like a faggot.

>>88051673
>>88051675
>>>/Reddit/

Will brainlets ever stop making these shitty threads?
Sage.

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>>88051677
Its like I'm really on /v/, Moefriend.

>>88051690
>>>/Reddit/

>>88051700
Holy shit this autism

>>88051714
How is it autism to tell people to return to Reddit when they want 4chan to function like Reddit?

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>>88051700
But If I'm Reddit and you're Reddit...
then who's driving?

>>88051728
you have autism lmao

>>88051728
They don't? You're just a newly formed Barneyfag and everyone wants to watch the egg hatch Moefriend.

>>88051733
I'm not from Reddit. You are from Reddit.

>>88051734
Again: how is it autism to tell people to return to Reddit when they want 4chan to function like Reddit?

>>88051742
Trying to simulate user accounts and post histories is Reddit behavior.

>You're just a newly formed Barneyfag
What?

>>88051755
go back to >>>/reddit/

>>88051755
But Moefriend you are acting like Reddit.

>>88051765
>>88051770
>>>/Reddit/

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>ctrl+f reddit
>27 results

For fucks sake.

>>88051773
A sign of Redditors is that they accuse others of being from Reddit so they can fit in.

>>88051784
I have specific, well-founded reasons to be accusing people of being from Reddit.

>>88051791
>>>/Reddit/

>>88051813
>>>/Reddit/

>>88051823
>>>/Reddit/

>>88051829
>>>/Reddit/

>>88051829
>>>/Reddit/

>all these guys pretending Reddit is so much worse than 4chan

>>88051755
If you don't know who Barneyfag is then either go back to /a/ or Reddit, or maybe an /a/ themed Reddit.

I'd like to also declare that I was in the toilet the whole time and literally shit posting.

>>88051829
>>>/Reddit/

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>>88051836
>>88051838
>>88051851

TRIPLE-KILL

>>88051849
It affect the way people post, basically everyone there is a tripfag.

Imagin, an entire board of tripfags...

>>88051851
>>>/Reddit/

>>88051851
I never said I don't know who Barney is.

>>88051862
>le upvote

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>>88051881
Who's baiting who?

>>88051863

Tripfags never bothered me tbqh.

>>88051897
I'm not even sure anymore.

names would make this easier, just like on Reddit!

>>88051914
Oh (You)

>>88051878
>>88051881
>>88051897
>>88051899
>>88051914
>>88051924
>>>/Reddit/

>>88051938
>>>/Reddit/

>>88051938
Its healthy to shitpost every once in a while.

>>88050616
>Will cartoons ever be as good as anime?

No. Never.

The Japanese produce a staggering, unrelenting, amount of content each fucking season that the west canNOT ever hope to fucking compete with.

It doesn't even matter if you have a pessimistic opinion on anime; they simply produce so much that even if only 5-10% of it is good there's such a constant stream of content that even the minority of quality anime grossly outnumbers whats produced by the west.

>>88050616
This is my dream even though I only watch Transformers cartoons.

They could at least start by giving us anime quality OPs, EDs, and OSTs. That would go a long way.

>>88051956
anime sux

>>88051956
This d e s u, the industry is geared towards getting out a ton of shit at low costs and maximizing profit via merchandise, media sales, etc. rather than straight up ratings meaning you have all sorts of corporate sponsors for any given anime.

>>88051986
The industry produces a lot because there are so many parties involved in the industry and because shows are short in length, not because the industry as a collective or as a centrally managed entity has geared itself towards producing as much as possible.

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>>88051956

While I'm on the topic I'd also like to mention how fucking genuinely 100% dog-shit, waste-of-paper, awful, western comics are.
Never mind how politically motivated they've become; they're hideous, they're always so fucking UGLY and they lack any kind of consistency, quality, or COMMITMENT. Everything is always fucking changing in a western comic: the artist, the characters, the canon, the heroes, the powers, etc.. etc..

But I think the WORST thing about western comics is they try to take themselves "seriously" and I think that's what ultimately kills it for me.

You read One Piece or Boku no Hero Acadamiea -shonen jump, the LOWEST common denominator in japan manga- and you're allowed to HAVE FUN and there's wacky POWERS and ADVENTURE and CUTE GIRLS.

I look over at what the west is producing and get pic related.

>>88051489
Utena is fucking great

>>88052104
>Japan good West bad
Ok.

>>88051231
You went from ATLA to Cowboy Bebop? Should have gone for Fullmetal Alchemist instead, the only next logical step for any Avatar fan.

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>>88052151
>Japan good West bad
>Ok.

Good. Glad you understand.

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>>88052104
I think you're a little wrong about Western comics, since there's still plenty to be enjoyed outside of capeshit, but I must also admit that I'm very confused by that image you posted.

Is...is that real?

>>88051489
>FLCL
>Best in animation
>Not The King and the Mockingbird

>>88051230
Finally, someone on this board that knows what they are talking about

>>88052223
Yes. If its any condolence, it sold like shit.

>>88052223
Yes, it's from Angela, Queen of Hel, it got cancelled.

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The thing I've started to notice about Anime from the few that that a lot of action shows have over-arching plots and not episodic, even comedy based ones.

I feel like Western Cartoons are pretty episodic and I can only think of s few that actually have continuity, and most are fairly recent.

I feel like with the rise of things like Netflix and Hulu shows have been giving the ability to become a hell of a lot more plot heavy and character driven, which is a pretty big thing in a lot of Anime.
Hell I'd even compare shows like Bojack Horseman, Steven Universe, and Avatar to animes just by how they are structured.

So, we could be getting more "anime-like" Western Shows in that regard.

>>88052383
>animes

>>88052151
Nice that you finally understand and can't argue this fact.

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>>88050616
...at what?
That's too vague a question, fuccboi. Be specific
>Do you mean variety in tone?
Hard to say, probably quite a while I guess, we have different culture, so who knows. France is pretty on it though.
>do you mean waifus
That's subjective, and I'd say animu is shit at it for the most part, too much moe-shit. Cartoons aren't much better in their own ways either, if at all. Though, again, France wins for us.
>do you mean effort/detail work
I'd agree that it's lacking in the west, but we don't treat our animators like indentured servants, so it's a trade off. Maybe eventually it'll even out, I'm not psychic.
>do you mean /adult-themes/ or whatever else like that
You need only look at the later few seasons of Star Wars The Clone Wars (CG) for that. It exists, but requires more risk takers like the big man George, or to just not be in the USA, look at fucking France.
If you really meant it broadly though, eh.
If there was a points system, they'd be pretty close, if not tied. They do different things for different people. I'm a flaming faggot who likes JoJo, but I also enjoy my Star Wars series'. Different needs/wants, different solutions.
Also,
>this fucking thread
Wew

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>>88052104
>But I think the WORST thing about western comics is they try to take themselves "seriously" and I think that's what ultimately kills it for me.
But that's exactly why I hate a lot of anime, way too many shows try to take these ridiculous premises and desperately try to make them serious.

And the few times that they're are jokes they just up feeling incredibly forced and some only end up feeling edgy. (I really don't like Dark Humor unless it's done really well.)

I can only watch shows that try to be comedy first action second or at least half and half because of this.

Really anything that tries to take itself with a plot so crazy just puts me off.

>>88052383
Story-driven (live action) shows have been getting more popular in the US, but on the other hand they still keep going and going season after season as long as their popularity holds up. Animated shows are lagging behind, and have historically been far more episodic than live action shows.

Anime has been story-driven since at least the 1970s. Storylines are planned in advance, further seasons or other continuations are not assumed, and shows usually clock in at a year or less. Today most shows have seasons of 12-26 episodes. Purely episodic shows are rare, there's almost always some kind of continuity even if there's no plot per se. And it's not some "lore episodes" that pop up every now and then. A show set in high school for example may conclude with the characters graduating.

>>88052455
>...at what?
At anything.

>I'd say animu is shit at it for the most part, too much moe-shit.
Those "moeshit" shows are, in a way, purpose-built for waifuism. You'll also note that waifuism originates from anime and is the strongest there, while /co/ mostly just jerks off and giggles over fetishes.

>we don't treat our animators like indentured servants
American shows are outsourced to Korea and have much higher budgets than anime.

>If there was a points system, they'd be pretty close, if not tied.
They wouldn't be anywhere near close to each other.

>>88052626
Good question. This thread is absolutely garbage apart from a few answers. I dunno what sick disease made me open it.

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>>88052698
>"moeshit" shows
Moe isn't a genre.

>>88052719
I know that.

>>88051231
Fuck off shitter, you have objectively terrible taste. ATLA has literally 2 dimensional characters that are more often plot devices than not who go through no substantial character development, unimpressive directing, forgettable plot filled with plot convenience and a shitty ending, forgettable soundtrack. It's one of the most over hyped thing ever. Bebop on the other hand has much more range as episodic series since it's delving into so many genres, homages Western cinema 3 times over than Taranrino's entire filmography combined, some of the best directing television can offer, has some of the best soundtrack.
Seriously imbecile like you should have watched shounen like the anon here >>88052157 said since ATLA fanbase is worse than shounentards. Wow your pathetic shit taste managed to get a (You) out of me.

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Western animated shows sucks, everyone who's not retarded know that, watch movies and shorts of you want good stuff.

>>88052626
/co/ is populated by tumblrinas and plebs of the highest caliber, which are the only types of people that watch western cartoons and read comics into adulthood.

>>88052719
I suppose it stops being a genre when it encompasses the entire medium.

>>88051137
>soul purpose
These eggcorns are a diamond dozen.

>>88053880
Yes, every anime is just like K-On.

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>>88051265
Hang yourself, Barneyfag
https://derpibooru.org/1283404

>>88050616

Western cartoons already surpassed anime. The problem is that the jews fucked shit up because toys weren't selling.

Also, these threads need to stop.

>>88055510
>Western cartoons already surpassed anime.
No they didn't.

>>88054984
Okay, what the actual fuck man? That is quite literally Patrick, there isn't anything MLP about it. Hell, even the derpibooru you linked doesn't have any ponies. I think you fucked up this time, Barneyfag.

>>88050616
75% of anime is unwatchable garbage
15% is meh/decent
10% is actually really good

10% of western cartoons are unwatchable garbage
65% is meh/decent
20% is good
5% is really good

I'll stick to western animation.

>>88055997
>75% of anime is unwatchable garbage
>15% is meh/decent
>10% is actually really good
Source: my ass.

>>88055997
Wew Lad

>>88053269
>here are all my excuses as to why my fun is better than yours

Calm thine titties, bro. Someone didn't like your anime. I think the MGS series is hot garbage and like Silent Hill instead. Doesn't mean I will lose my shit when a MGS fanboy loses his mind and starts talking shit. His fun is different than my fun.

>>88055997
>>88055997
>Not watching the 10% of Japanese animation and the 5% of Western animation that is really good

>>88056061
My ass is a very competent being

But in all seriousness, the over exaggerated faces, "Senpai Oniichan", waifubait is ridiculous. I don't get how people can sit through the same thing despite it being a different cartoon.

Watch this:
>DBZ
>Naruto
>Evangelion
Garbage

>Cowboys
Decent

>FLCL
Really good

See? Sure you could change the names but you would end up with the same stats

>>88056140
>Fun meme
Yeah that's the average critical thinking of ATLAtard.

>>88050616
No.

>>88056259
So did you watch everything that in summer season and have any objective facts behind your claims? No? Then don't be fucking retard and act like you have some objective stats.

>>88051231
Bebop is shit. Childhood is thinking Bebop is good. Adulthood is realizing Outlaw Star is the greatest.

>>88056259
>"Senpai Oniichan",
I.e. the Japanese language and social structure.

>waifubait
This does not exist. This is not a real thing.

>I don't get how people can sit through the same thing despite it being a different cartoon.
Sit through the same what? And what is a different cartoon?

>See?
I see your personal opinions on a few stereotypical "baby's first anime starter kit" anime from decades ago, which suggests your knowledge of anime is about non-existent.

>>88056259
>FLCL
>Good
You are probably the dumbest person I've ever seen on 4chan. Holy fucking shit, you have some garbage taste in anime
>>88056360
This

>>88055997
There is much more anime so the 10% of anime thats really good is greater than the amount of western cartoons that are decent to really good combined

>>88053598
This.

>>88056360
Outlaw Star is shit. Childhood is thinking Outlaw Star is good. Adulthood is realizing Trigun is the greatest.

>>88056400
>>FLCL
>>Good
It is though. It was the last great Mecha of 21st century.

>>88056409
Adulthood is realizing that things are not divided into "shit" and "good" with nothing in between.

>>88056283
Not even an ATLA fan. As your parents and tard wrangler told you: You've need calm down and think about what you say

Who fucking cares? Tis a troll thread anyways, nigga. So it would be natural to see opinions varying on the subject. But you, and the other weebs, seem to be getting ass blasted like no other. A trait I honestly believe that is a part of the weeb mindset.

Anime is not some sacred cow with no flaws. It can be, and often is as >>88055997 said, just as bad as western cartoons

>>88056444
This. Trigun is not shit, just mediocre.

>>88056461
>It can be, and often is as >>88055997 said, just as bad as western cartoons
He has seen almost no anime.

The fact is that the production quality, sophistication, ambition, variety and quantity of anime are miles above American shows.

>>88056461
He has probably seen as many anime as you desu.

>>88056329
>>Evangelion
>Garbage
2deep4u
The show is a rollercoaster in quality and kept changing what it was to pander but if you think it was all bad you might just be a fucking pleb

>>88056444
His. Bebop is not between shit and good, it's a masterpiece.

>>88056360
>>88056400
>>88056409
>>88056439
This is why no one likes weebs

Smugly proclaims the former of media they enjoy is vastly superior and I'd the best thing since Dr Elyk's spook stories, yet can never be in agreement with which ones are actually good

>>88056556
ok

>>88056548
I think you tagged the wrong post m8.

>>88056556
their form
Not the former.

Fuck autocorrect

>>88056577
fug

>>88056571
Alright

If Anime wasn't waifubait they would draw ugly women like cartoons do.

>>88056556
There's a lot of 2kool4skool contrarians and posers who will shit on anything that's popular and consider their "taste" to be objectively superior to everyone else's simply because it's theirs.

Cowboy Bebop and FLCL are widely considered, among Western viewers, to be some of the best anime ever made.

>>88056629
There is no such thing as waifubait.

even anime/manga have turd quality material. Chargeman Ken being one prime example

>>88056329
Of course they didnt. Honestly to generalize a whole medium like this is ridiculous. If you actually looked through the seasons offerings and watched an episode or two of anything that sounds interesting you're going to find something you like.
Its the same as normal live action TV. I find about 3 good shows a season on cable or network TV and I dislike everything else.

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>East vs West
>Not realizing the French are the true animation overlords with their consistently great quality in story and humor as well as tasteful amount of lewd

>>88056643
Chargeman Ken is likely the greatest anime ever made. You are out of line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOcmV0zHX2U

>>88056642

Show me Anime girls as ugly and unappealing as cartoon girls and then we talk, Anime girls are meant to be fapped.

>>88056642
>if its popular its good

>>88056698

French shit is just either bootleg Anime, bootleg Disney and artsy crap.

>>88056698
>the French are the most obscure so they must be the best

>>88056708
The fact that anime girls are attractive does not mean waifubeat is real, nor does it mean the characters are designed to be masturbated to.

>>88056722
I didn't make that argument.

>>88056642
That's because Bebop and FLCL are entry level shit

>>88056757
Yes, they are "entry level." That doesn't change the fact that among Western viewers they are considered some of the best anime.

>>88056759
It doesn't. It's a myth.

>>88056751

What is "waifubait" according to you then?!

>>88056708
>>88056629
Why should they have to draw ugly women? Anime is also about marketing and has to appeal to the audience, doesnt mean it's waifubait. . Why do you think films and TV shows have handsome and beautiful people? Even the /maturemen/ and fat fucks like Tony Soprano are handsome and charismatic

>>88056777
It is nothing. It doesn't exist.

>>88056556
Every week agrees Shin Godzilla was great though.

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>>88056771
>> It's a myth.

>>88056751
>a bunch of weebs like it and say its good
>that mean it must be good
General consensus is worthless especially when its babys first anime. Its not attributable to the quality of the work alone but also luck from timing and marketing. The majority of the people who claim it's the best have not seen that much anime. There are much better series that are vastly underrated or obscure such as 'Now and Then, Here and There', or Kaiba.

>>88050616
>Will cartoons ever be as good as anime?
none of these were ever good

>>88056900
Yes, it is. Many, many, many people have attempted to argue it's real, and none have succeeded. No proven examples exist, let alone proof that it's a widespread thing.

>>88056921
>a bunch of weebs like it and say its good
>that mean it must be good
Again, I did not make that argument.

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>>88053269

>getting this mad because someone doesn't like his shitty show

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>>88056805

>obsess over 2D girls so much they need pictures of them, animation, figures, porn every free minute of the day that they don't even read books or watch movies with real people in them.

>spend assloads of money on anything with sex appeal.

>only refuse to pay for sex because they are too shy and scared. many outright admit they want and would do it otherwise. even have a normal relationship.

Ugly girs a best.

>>88052455
Clone Wars is extremely overrated. Tried to get through the recommended episodes but it was all extremely underwhelming.

>>88055899
>Hell, even the derpibooru you linked doesn't have any ponies
In the mods' mind, Equestria Girls still counts as ponies.

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>>88056952
>There's a lot of 2kool4skool contrarians and posers who will shit on anything that's popular and consider their "taste" to be objectively superior to everyone else's simply because it's theirs.
>Cowboy Bebop and FLCL are widely considered, among Western viewers, to be some of the best anime ever made.

Youre saying criticism of Cowboy Bebop is simply contrarian and implying it is actually great by bringing up that popular opinion is that its the best ever made.

>>88056995
A waifu is a character that someone considers their wife, or something like a wife, because they love that character so much. So to say that an author is engaging in "waifubaiting" means that he is trying to "bait" people into falling in love with their characters. First of all, why are you accusing them of "baiting"? How do you know it's their intent? Why would it be their intent? Second, someone getting a waifu is unpredictable and could happen with any character in any work for any reason, regardless of what the author intended or what the work's target audience is. It's not something anyone can force.

>spend assloads of money on anything with sex appeal.
Otaku do not do this. It's a Western stereotype.

>>88057056
Ok, then please prove to me that otaku pandering is real. Go ahead.

>>88057084
I was responding to someone commenting that people can't even agree on what is and isn't good. I said that CB and FLCL are widely considered to be some of the best anime. That's all I said.

Mods need to prune this weekly thread.
>>88057084
It's contrarion to say it's shit and saying it's shit isn't a criticism. Whatever Watanabe and Kano did has a lot of artistic merit. It's not the best ever though because nothing outside of LoGH is.

>>88057134
OK. That was a dumb comment anyway, replying to a chain of sarcastic shitposts. How is not being able to agree on what is and isnt good a bad thing? If anything it's bad that there is a large consensus that its best anime ever.

>>88057153
>LoGH
>good
The decent writing doesnt make up for everything else

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If cartoons became indistinguishable from Anime they won't be cartoons anymore, you will end up with everything being fake Anime like TLA and Korra.

Cartoons are OPPOSITE of Anime, that's why they are cartoons. They look, sound and act differently, because not everything has to have the same standards, do you think is impossible for someone to hate Anime just like how people who watch Anime hate cartoons, the opposite do exists, admittedly in a very disproportionate magnitude.

I rather watch Marvel capeshit movies tgsn Anime since I can't stand it (except for shit like Pokemon, I like those)

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>>88057134
I would but...

>>88057134

Waifus are Anime characters, what a coincidence Anime characters have so much sex appeal!

I have NEVER seen anyone with an ugly waifu, hell, there is barely any ugly Anime girls.

>>88050616
>comic books
>good

>>88057269
But you can't.

>>88057277
A waifu is a specific character that someone personally considers to be their wife. Not just any attractive character.

Only golden age cartoons are worth sitting through. Western animation only got worse from there.

>>88057218
Off with your meme criticism
>it's a visual medium guys
>if it doesn't look pretty it can't be great
I bet you actually eat up all things Butcher because they have great production values. Tell me anon how Madoka is a modern masterpiece.

>>88051644
The thing is even if you are non native, if you just apply some thought to what you are watching it will make sense. I love watching Japanese variety shows despite a good half of the material going over my head , just like there is a sizable south park fanbase in Japan

>>88057372
>he criticized LoGH, that means Madoka is bad!
Nice dream logic.

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>>88057333

Waifus only come from Japanese media and they all have high standards of attractiveness and sex appeal, cartoon characters male and female usually are made ugly in purpose to be kid friendly and comedic, Anime sucks for commedy the same way atractive women can't be comedians.

I must admit it is mostly because the rest of the world are prudes when it comes to animation, but you can see how there is cero waifubait in western media.

>>88057235
I don't think OP meant cartoons becoming anime, I believe he meant if cartoons will ever become as massive in America as anime is in Japan

>>88057392
>average Butcherfag doesn't have a criticism on writing, the most important part of anything great
That's what I thought.

>>88057372
>nihilism
no fucking thank you

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>>88057333
waifus dont really exist. I mean originally it was an incredibly autistic legitimate obsession until /v/ and the rest of you alt-normies latched onto it and made it a big meme meaning "any girl I like"

>>88057433
>Waifus only come from Japanese media and they all have high standards of attractiveness and sex appeal, cartoon characters male and female usually are made ugly in purpose to be kid friendly and comedic
What about it?

>Anime sucks for commedy the same way atractive women can't be comedians.
Anime characters are not real people.

>>88057452
Where did I say anything about writing? How is someone a "Butcherfag" for not randomly deciding that Madoka is bad?

>>88057491
Why are you still here? You claimed otaku pandering is real, I asked you to prove it, and you have given me nothing.

>>88057498
I'm not an alt-normie or any other kind of normie, and I never said anything about whether or not I have a waifu. I simply stated what a waifu is (and I didn't say "any girl I like").

There's also nothing incredibly autistic about it.

>>88055899
I'm pretty sure he just runs a script at this point, I t must have fucked up this time.

>>88057452
>writing
>important
Director > Actor > Writer >>>Producer
The director matters above all. A good director can make a shitty script shine or even go along with no script but a good script cant save a shit director.

>>88057589
Where the fuck does animator equate into all of this? They're the most important.

>>88057537
I'm sorry I called you that. I dont think I even replied to the right post.

>>88057589
>writing
>not important
what the fuck are you smoking

>>88057589
>Director above all
If this was true senpai, Zankyou no Terror wouldn't be utter shit and Summer Wars and Boy n The Beast wouldn't be mediocre. Objectively wrong. Like seriously look at Shinbo's pre Shaft work, mist of it is garbage.

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>>88057751
Because theyre hacks and also
>writer is the director

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>>88057908
>Watanabe and Hosoda
>hacks

>>88057934
Hosoda hasn't directed anything good since that One Piece movie desu

>>88057969
>Hosoda's movies after One Piece are too well-known, and as a man of sophisticated taste and refined intellect I must pretend to not like them

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>>88057433
Japanese simply have terrible comedy, almost as bad as krauts, nothing to do with anime itself.
The Japanese also know that children prefer things to be cute and sexualized and thus make children's shows actually appeal to them instead of repressing sexuality and making things ugly.

>>88057969
The lateral tracking shot in the Wolf Children alone proves you know nothing about good directing. Also since you didn't respond about Shinbo's, that confirms you're a fucking casual.

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>>88058032
hey cool i saw that Every Frame a Painting video too.

>>88058021
>Japanese simply have terrible comedy
ahem

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>>88058021

Some people like "ugly" characters you know?

Why Otaku say Anime has to be the one and only way to do Animation? Some people prefer SPAM to Steak.

If anything I want MORE cartoony cartoons, instead of about 3 a year. is the only thing I envy from Anime.

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>>88058149
Because those are harder and more expensive to animate to satisfy niche tastes. The generic anime style is how everything is, form ads to doodles. It has nothing to do with otaku or waifu pandering.

>>88058032
>wolf children
Opinion discarded.
I swear Hosodafags are the worst.

>>88058370
>anyone who doesn't pretend to hate this movie because it's too well-known is a "Hosodafag"

>>88058265

Anime is much harder to make, cartoons are chep to make and can be done by 3 dudes with Dell computers, the only reason it is expensive is due to unions, the studio, and voice actors.

I don't understand hiw Japanese live with low wages on such an expensive country, Imagine if allnyour country was as expensive as newyork.

Anime uses slave labour.

>>88058032
Theres more than one person replying. Try actually addressing the post youre replying to instead of attacking what isnt there

>>88058403
And despite that japanimation is still terrible and stiff compared to western animation. They gotta step it up.

>>88050616

Do not ask this of me.

>>88058403
>slave labor
What ever to lower the Japanese population faster

>>88058382
Hosoda really isn't a good director no matter how you want to spin it.
He's just really average.

>>88058403
They aren't slaves, they are voluntarily in the industry. Their pay depends on whether they're in-betweeners or key animators, how fast they work and who they work for. The average for an in-betweener is 1.11 million ($9600) per year, the average for a key animator is 2.82 million ($24,700).

And once again, American shows are not animated in America in the vast majority of cases. They are animated in South Korea or another Asian country.

>>88058433
American animation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLvZ1rzHDSQ

Anime:
https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/22678

Yeah those japs better step it up.

>>88058149
Japan has cartoony cartoons but they're usually geared for children.

>>88058096
Fuck it, I'm going to go full weeb on an autistic shitposter like you. Because it makes me feel good and mighty pretentious, putting shitposter like you out of your misery.
>Watanabe is a hack
Nah desu, he's one of the best director that knows how to assemble a crew behind the scene or assemble a scene on screne. He knows the right music, right color details like color palette or art style for any specific scene. Everything directed OS sceenboarded by the guy is just right amount of everything you want on your screen.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=e-0QhnHOCzE
>video related

>Hosoda is a hack
Nah, go fuck yourself. Hosoda is very good director and a fantastic visual storyteller. There was a classic use of go left or right scenario during Wolf Children when Yuki gets sick and her mother doesn't know whether to take her to a veterinarian or a pediatrician. A "hack" would have had her monologue about her inner conflict. Or when Yuki transforms in front of her boyfriend, that's very tastefully done. Or the seamless use of 3D in video below. But see just because a popular video essayist made a video about Hosoda's directing capabilities, the example is disqualified.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=y7bnbhLa7dw
See you're a contrarion retard of the lowest denominator who actually likes to talk but doesn't know what he's talking about. An average /a/non would put some sort of effort in his shitposting but you're not even that.
>Still hasn't replied about Shinbo's
Because honestly a contrarion retard who only has 60 animu on his MAL wouldn't actually know about Shinbo or his work. But thanks for shitposting and making me feel better.

>>88058534
>moeshit
You cant even cherrypick right

>>88058641
Hyouka is not like K-On. Even if it was, it would be completely irrelevant to what we are talking about.

>>88058626
>he's one of the best director
Than anime is fucked.

>>88058486
Actually give an argument next time.

>>88058672
>Than
underage pls go

>>88058672
Nice argument. You sure showed us.

>>88056952

NEET protagonist inserts are a thing. They've been a thing since the concept of the Lost Decade(s) really took hold in Japan's popular culture.

> Welcome to the NHK
> RE: Zero
> Onizuka
> Princess Jellyfish, for the rare female variety

You're arguing that this pandering doesn't exist is as unreasonable as claiming American sitcoms don't pander to the know-nothing husband full of childish antics who manages to say the wrong thing at the worst time.

>>88058709
>NEET protagonist inserts are a thing.
What does a NEET protagonist have to do with anything?

>You're arguing that this pandering doesn't exist is as unreasonable as
It's not unreasonable. Nobody has ever proven even a single case of pandering. I've been through this debate countless times, it has never happened.

Why do /a/ fags even come here if they hate Cartoons so much? This is why a split from comics would be better, comics bring people from /a/ and /tv/.

>>88058641
>Hyouka
>Moeshit
I'll give you that most of Kyoani's style appeals to the moeshit crowd but dont be a cover judging faggot.

>>88058709
Fuck there are way too many NEET protagonists. All of them are sadly in garbage shows though.

>>88050616
The majority of anime is shit, though. Its all the same garbage recycled and repackaged in different forms. There's even several character types that can be observed in multiple shows. The only good ones are the ones like NGE and KLK that set the bar for what other animes should be. Everything else just copies the big ones.

And no, I'm not claiming cartoons are better, I'm just saying anime isn't any better, either. You kinda have to dig through the trash to find the gold with both western and eastern animation.

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>>88058747
>People on this site still think that people give their entire lives to a single hobby/interest and only visit the one board that reflects them

>>88058777
Not him but
>Hyouka
>Not Moeshit
Moeshit doesn't just mean CGDCT. It is great though.

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>>88058785
>NHK
>Princess Jellyfish
>garbage

>>88058806
>animes
>NGE and KLK on the same level
this thread is fucking painful.

>>88058777
The only Kyoani show that's like K-On is K-On itself.

>>88058806
>The majority of anime is shit, though.
Then so is everything else.

>Its all the same garbage recycled and repackaged in different forms
Yes, Occultic;Nine, Long Riders, Drifters, The Great Passage, Yuuri on Ice and Girlish Number are practically identical.

>There's even several character types that can be observed in multiple shows.
Character archetypes can also be observed in all other media.

>The only good ones are the ones like NGE and KLK that set the bar for what other animes should be.
"The only good ones are the few popular anime I've happened to see."

>Everything else just copies the big ones.
Like how NGE was based on previous mecha anime and how KLK was explicitly inspired by Shouwa era anime and bears more than a little resemblance to Project A-Ko?

>>88050616
gr8 b8 m8 now back to
>>>/a/

>>88058824
Hyouka is not like K-On.

Cartoons in 2010 were better than anime now. Now everything is shit.

>>88058842
I didn't mean NHK and Princess Jellyfish. But almost all of the show that have NEET or otaku protagonists are.
>Gate
>SAO
>Umaru
Just to name the few.

>>88058904
Not but it's still Moeshit.

>>88058744

This leads me to think we're going to end up in a inane semantics debate, but...

It's pandering when a show's writer uses it as a cheap way to get the audience on a charcter's side by self-identification.

There is a large working class white viewer base in the states. When early Homer Simpson and John Goodman's character from Roseanne resounded with that base, we got a lot of cookie cutter versions with Tool Time, Everybody Loves Ramon, and King of Queens.

Anime has not been above doing the same with it's protagonists as NEETs, since large numbers of 18-35 year old males in Japan have had trouble entering their work force, moreso than even here. Granted, their characters usually develop out of this trait, rather than stagnating like American sitcoms.

So is your claim that the NEET protagonist isn't a recurring theme, or just that this doesn't count as 'pandering'? If the latter, what criteria would you say counts as obvious pandering?

Moeshit is killing anime

Will anime ever be as good as Seinfeld?

>>88059028
There are only 3 or 4 Moeshit shows this season though.

>>88058096
Not him, but I'd consider the incredibly gratuitous, not to mention pointless, slapstick comedy. Or the fact that they find spineless men and bitchy women to be hilarious, for some reason. That isn't funny, it is sad.

>>88058948
Gate's protagonist is a military officer. Umaru's protagonist is in high school.

>>88058973
Moeshit is shorthand for "it's just like K-On, and I don't like it."

>>88058983
>It's pandering when a show's writer uses it as a cheap way to get the audience on a charcter's side by self-identification.
But you don't know that's what the writer intended. You are just assuming things because you don't like what he wrote. You also seem to be assuming that everyone who reads light novels, reads manga or watches anime is a NEET, and can only identify with characters who are also NEET.

>what criteria would you say counts as obvious pandering?
Cynical exploitation for profit.

>>88059028
Yes, those 1-3 shows a season (out of 40-50) sure are killing things.

>>88059064
Just one: Stella no Mahou.

>>88059110
>Just one: Stella no Mahou.
Or maybe Long Riders too.

>>88059028
No whats killing anime is having most of their profit come from DVD/BD sales that are only bought by anime enthusiasts in Japan who won't buy anything without a waifu in it.

>>88058690
wow, rude
>>88058699
It had to be this way

>>88058973
An innumerable amount of anime bank on the girls being cute doll eyes to garner attention but you can't just call it all moeshit. A good number of them take themselves seriously enough to not fall into the moeshit pit and manage to be legitimately good. Something like Gochuumon Usagi Desu Ka is what I would call the epitome of moeshit. Girls sitting around doing absolutely fuck all. Hyouka isn't so reliant on how cute it's character's are to be as liked as it is.

>>88054984
jesus mrs goodra, patrick is not a mayonaise.

>>88059110
>Gate's protagonist is a military officer.
He was a Otaku before that.
>Umaru's protagonist is in high school.
She's also a self identified Otaku.

>>88059141
A waifu is a character that you are in love with. It does not mean any and all female characters.

Shows like Rakugo, Psycho-Pass, Erased and Great Passage keep getting made all the time, every season, but you people never watch them.

>>88059110
>Just one: Stella no Mahou.
Forgetting Hibikek?
>>88059141
I wish Anime studio made patreon accounts or something. I'd honestly donate between $1-$10 every week if I'm really enjoying the show.

>>88058983
Prove there is a significant rise in NEET anime protagonists. Show me a graph or a list, anything. You cant just say something and the source is: I know this, everyone knows this

>>88058823

But why visit a board just to shit on its topic?

>>88058747
/co/ is animefans discussing cartoons and comics reddit-kun

>>88059211
K-On is not bad. Gochuumon is not bad. You just don't like them.

It's also mysteriously not a problem when characters in American shows don't do anything in particular and there's no plot.

>>88059220
Neither of them are NEET.

>>88059272
Hibike is a drama. Good job on making assumptions instead of watching it.

>>88058747
The only reason I come to /co/ is for the retro threads desu

>>88059222
I come from /a/ and was speaking so people here would get it. When you're targeting otaku certain character types are appeal as waifu. Also most of them are more like purityfags than they are waifufags. Either way the end result of creating a somewhat sterile and highly idealized female character is the same.

>>88059222
Only Rakugo and Great Passage had/have terrible sales and very little and niche audience. Psycho-pass and Erased are popular as fuck. Also I don't know whether to compliment you on your superior taste for liking/watching Rakuo and Great Passage or tell you your taste is shit for putting Psycho-pass and Erased in same category. I guess it's the former, you have nice taste anon.

>>88058806
>NGE and KLK that set the bar
KLK is overhyped garbage and NGE is falsely credited for having any significant influence on anime outside of references, tsunderes, and rei clones. There wasnt a big rise in anime that explored similar themes NGE did, the trends were mostly the same. NGE wasnt even the first popular work to explore those themes.

>>88059362
A waifu is a character that you are in love with. Any character. From any anime (or game).

>>88059369
I didn't say anything about their sales numbers or their quality, I just used them as examples of the kind of "serious" and "mature shows that Westerners keep demanding but never actually watch. They keep getting made season after season regardless of what the BD sales figures show.

>>88059110
> But you don't know that's what the writer intended. You are just assuming things because you don't like what he wrote. You also seem to be assuming that everyone who reads light novels, reads manga or watches anime is a NEET, and can only identify with characters who are also NEET.

1. You're right that I'll never have proof, barring an artist explicitly saying they did so in an interview. But just like the writers on Tool Time jumped on the Homer trend, I'd also have to think that anime writers are idiots to not exploit similar audience behavior in their own country.

2. I'm just assuming a not-insignificant portion of the Japanese market is unemployed and no longer in school.

That group is why I expect to see even more fantasy shows where a shut-in gets whisked off to a magical land and surrounded by cute girls and dramatic adventure.

>cancerous "west vs east" thread
>still alive
Bravo, mods. Bravo.
I'm so glad we have such useful, intelligent mods who do their job properly.

>>88059062
Never. Anime may be better than western animation but few anime even stack up to the yearly Tyler Perry flick and nothing comes close to anything on primetime television.

>>88059472
Blame the /a/utist who is obsessed with defending modern anime.

>>88059420
NGE is the reason you have Bebop, Lain, Items or anything experimental that came after. It set the bar and it's the reason experimental shows were greenlit.

>>88059508
>Items
*Utena

>>88059420
NGE was immensely important for the industry, and its influence went far beyond just other anime imitating its surface characteristics.

>>88059457
>I'd also have to think that anime writers are idiots to not exploit similar audience behavior in their own country.
Or maybe they are actually otaku themselves and write about things that appeal to them.

>2. I'm just assuming a not-insignificant portion of the Japanese market is unemployed and no longer in school.
Even if they were, it doesn't mean anything.

>That group is why I expect to see even more fantasy shows where a shut-in gets whisked off to a magical land and surrounded by cute girls and dramatic adventure.
By this logic everyone who watches K-On and Love Live must be a high school girl.

>>88059488
>I have no idea what I'm talking about

>>88059492
What about your obsession with attacking it?

>>88059492
Fuck that. I'll blame idiot mods/janitors who are supposed to purge shit threads, yet never ever do that.

>>88059446
Psycho-pass and Erased are terrible examples but I get your sentiment.

>>88059222
>Psycho-Pass
Why did I ever watch that garbage? I don't know what's worse; it trying to be the next GitS or its walking cliche antagonist.

>>88059556
They aren't terrible examples just because you don't like them.

>>88059585
Nobody cares what you thought about it. You are not important.

>>88059508
That isnt true at all. Like I said it's falsely attributed, its been thoroughly debunked and I wish I could remember the source. It didnt lead to more experimental anime greenlit and especially is not to thank for why we have Lain. All Eva did was bring us tons of Rei clones.

>>88059539
>I have no idea what I'm talking about
Not an argument.

Name a single anime that is as good as Seinfeld

>>88059596
Sorry, shit-taste kun. Carry on with praising your shit series.

>>88059623
Too bad the best episode that outdoes the entirety of Sopranos and The Wire never aired on tv.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmsTb_jmqb4

>>88059599
NGE popularized late night anime. It introduced or popularized the production committee system. It created a huge demand for character merchandise and probably created the modern character market (it also played an indirect role in turning Akihabara into what it is today). It was a huge cross-over hit that brought "otaku" anime to the masses. And before NGE, shows like NGE didn't exist much. There were movies and OVAs similar to it, but not TV shows.

>>88059623
This is a trap. No matter what anyone names, you will reject it. You have pre-determined that nothing qualifies.

>>88059629
I didn't praise, shit-for-brains. I just mentioned it as an example of a type of show. That I mentioned it doesn't mean you have to start soapboxing about what you thought about it. It's irrelevant.

>>88059713
This entire thread is irrelevant, so you'd have to deal with it.

>>88059713
It's not a trap, how about you show me you know what youre talking about and name a single anime that is as good as (((Seinfeld)))

>>88059539
> By this logic everyone who watches K-On and Love Live must be a high school girl.

Yes, anon. I absolutely stated that only shut-ins would watch RE:Zero or KonaSuba, just as no woman ever watched The Simpsons.

If you'll stop knocking down imaginary strawmen for a moment, my argument was that it's an easy way to get your target audience interested/self-identifying with your protagonist. Entertaining writing like RE:Zero or Princess Jellyfish obviously get other audiences watching as well.

>>88059596
>They aren't terrible examples just because you don't like them.
No you fucking retard, they're terrible example because they're popular series in the fucking West considering you said people don't watch shows like that. People gobbled up that shit. Them being terrible in itself is not an attributing factor.
Also I take it back, you don't have good taste. You probably watched Rakugo because it was considered the elitist anime when it was airing.

>>88059782
>just as no woman ever watched The Simpsons
But that's true. Simpsons' humor is way too intelligent for women. Women prefer something obvious and not clever, like Family Guy.

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Anime is more creator/property friendly. Pic related is a webseries adaptation of a twitter webcomic. Now it's really popular and has figures. CN couldn't even get a toy deal for SBT and cancelled it because they didn't want to pay for good animation.

>>88059771
Yes it is a trap.

>>88059782
>it's an easy way to get your target audience interested/self-identifying with your protagonist
Which doesn't mean that's what the writer was doing.

>>88059275
Still no response. Because the NEET argument is bullshit just like the supposed moe infestation despite there being shows like that since the 80s. It's selective memory as Westerners only have to see the old shows that they like but with new shows they see everything at once and falsely believe anime has gotten worse

>>88059599
>thoroughly debunked
>N-no source of the thorough debunking
Well, check them.

>>88059819
Please rec me this anime masterpiece that I havent seen.

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>>88051230
>The amount of fanservice in anime is massively exaggerated

No, it's really not. I'm a fan of plenty of anime and they all feature some form of forced nudity of sexual content. It's also filled with tired tropes that make it easy for new viewers to dismiss them as generic tripe.

>>88059585

The pacing in that show was arguably the best I've ever seen out of a Japanese mini-series.

>>88059856
Well you can just check the releases years before Eva and after and its obvious that experimental and psychological shows existed before and were still extremely niche after Eva.

>>88059799
I say people don't watch them because everywhere I go keep hearing the same complaints over and over again about how it's all moeshit this and haremshit that now, with nothing else being made. So obviously people, generally speaking, are not watching these shows.

>Also I take it back, you don't have good taste. You probably watched Rakugo because it was considered the elitist anime when it was airing.
I never said anything about what I think about any of the shows I listed, numbnuts. That was not the point. For fuck's sake.

>>88059860
Again, this is a trap.

>>88059874
>No, it's really not.
Yes, it really is. Out of the season's shows I'm watching right now, only one or two have any fanservice to speak of.

>>88050616
You say that like there's a difference between the two, OP.

I'll tell you fags a secret reason why anime mostly sucks.
Female characters are inherently shit, that's why all the best stories in the world in any medium have men as leads

>>88059907
Trust me, I will take your recommendation seriously and make a fair judgement of it in relation to prime Seinfeld.

>>88059896
Before NGE and late night anime, TV anime aired at reasonable hours and was watched by wide audiences. After NGE, TV anime started to split off into late night and daytime anime, the former being mostly niche.

I can't really think of shows like NGE from before NGE.

>>88059928
>Female characters are inherently shit
No they aren't.

>>88059930
This is a trap.

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>>88059928
This. On the same not, the only good anime are the ones that women can never understand.

>>88059907
Literally all of the most important and influential anime of all time (NGE, Cowboy Bebop, GL, whichever moe-core you like the most) feature some element of nudity or naked chicks running around flopping their tits.

>>88059959
Yes, they are. Women are inherently less interesting than men, and fiction always reflects that.

>>88059896
Yeah they "existed" but only in form of OVAs and when some rich as fuck autistic producer was single handedly willing to produce it (like LOGH). They never aired on TV in the form post EVA shows did, nor for the same reasons.

>>88059874
>they all feature some form of forced nudity of sexual content
Then you must be watching shitty series, because nowadays it's not that common anymore. I'll give you tired tropes in general.

>>88059959
If they arent why do all the best stories in the world in any medium have men as leads?

>>88060000
checked.

>>88059928
Utena
Shin Sekai Yori
Madoka

>>88059995
>Then you must be watching shitty series

Nope. At least not by the general consensus.

>>88059982
Not all sexual content is fanservice, and not all fanservice is the same.

>>88059985
Fiction is fiction, not real life. Fiction does not have to follow whatever you think the rules of reality are.

>>88060000
It makes no difference that in your opinion all the best stories have male leads. It's irrelevant.

>>88060020
Shit.
Complete shit.
Are you fucking kidding me, faggot?

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>>88060072
>Utena
>shit
Fuck Off

>>88060061
It doesn't fucking matter. Women are always boring in everything, no matter how hard you try (and fail) to make them interesting.

>>88060105
Fictional characters and real people are two different things.

>>88060096
No, you.
Anyone who thinks women can ever be interesting is an idiot.

>>88060072
>Shin Sekai Yori
>Utena
>Shit
Fucking kill yourself.

>>88059988
Why does it matter if it was OVA or TV? Youre assuming correlation implies causation. There were only a handful of shows on TV a year and most of them were for children. After Eva there were more shows on TV, and less OVAs, but you cant say that these shows got on TV due to Eva itself.

>>88060061
>Not all sexual content is fanservice, and not all fanservice is the same.

And when did i say sexual content was fan service? God, you are a fucking idiot.

>>88060105
>>88060134
please fuck off to /r9k/ and never voice your opinion again.

>>88060157
>but you cant say that these shows got on TV due to Eva itself
Exactly what I'm saying. It was that big of a hit.

>>88059959
>This is a trap.
No it isnt.

why do the japanese like western cartoons so much

>>88060134

you should really put on a trip and constantly repost this and similar comments in every thread where it applies which is most of them

>>88060120
You complete retard, how many times do I have to say this? I. Don't. Care. Women. Are. Inherently. Uninteresting.

Every fucking time there is a female lead, it's the most boring part of everything. No, my white knight friends. You can't pretend that Sarah Connor/Ripley/Clarice Starling/etc were interesting characters.
>>88060172
Stay out of this, /co/mblr.
>>88060141
Butthurt weeb spotted.

>>88059834
Still ignoring this.

>>88060240
>tumblr-tier sarcasm
Well, this IS /co/ after all.

>>88060243
What about characters that are cute girls (male)

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>>88050616
The only good anime is pic related.

It honestly might be the greatest piece of media I've seen except Hamlet.

>>88060157
>Why does it matter if it was OVA or TV?
Publishing an OVA was completely different from getting a network to carry a show. With OVAs you could do whatever the hell you wanted to and sell your stuff directly to fans, and didn't have any strict release schedules to follow. TV had limits on what kind of content you could have, it had to be something that would draw viewers and bring in advertisers, and it had to be aired on a weekly basis. There was also a finite number of timeslots.

NGE popularized late night anime and paved the way for things like Lain and Bebop.

>>88060220
It is.

>>88060225
They don't.

>>88060243
Fictional characters and real people are not the same thing.

>>88060292
>autism
>>88060269
Not a degenerate faggot, sorry.

>>88060315
Nobody on 4chan has ever managed to explain why it's autistic to reply to more than one person in a single post.

>>88060243
>/co/mblr
kek, fucking pathetic.

>>88060292
The japanese love old western cartoons tho
so many westaboos on twitter

>>88052698
>waifuism comes from there and is strongest there
And at its core, half of it is all the same waifu copy pasted over and over. Which, again, can happen in the west too. But just because they created it doesn't mean they can't have become shit at it. Look at animation in America. (Budum tss)

>>88060368
Not as pathetic as crying /r9k/ when you see a factual statement you don't like.

>>88060243
>/co/mblr
Wew lad, here's one more (You).

>>88060421
Go cry about Trump winning.

>>88052455
>we don't treat our animators like indentured servants

Come on now

>>88059472

THIS

Fuck this, people like what they like, it is not rational, if I like my poorly drawn cartoons, let me be, I don't go to /a/ claiming some powerpuff girl or whatever to be my waifu and if I did the threa would be deleted and I would get a 2 week ban. Yet this thread shitting on /co/ still hasn't been deleted despite being anti-/co/

>>88060292
>It is.
It is not. It is disingenuous and rude to go out of the way to say someone does not know what theyre talking about then ignore to explain that statement and claim they were baited. If you honestly believe this is a trap then rescind this post. >>88059539

>>88060347
This is explained almost every day. You just refuse to listen.