Why do other heroes hate the Punisher?

>>88032163
>Why do other heroes hate the Punisher?
Because he makes no goddamn sense in-universe.

>>88032163

most heroes tend to a have a "no kill" rule.

>>88032163
He's a humorless prick.

>>88032163
muh morality

>>88032163
Because there's a difference between self-defense/war and cold-blooder murder, which is what Frank does.
The goal of cops/soldiers is to neutralize an active threat, and sometimes killing is necessary to do it. Frank's objective is killing, he won't arrest people, he won't accept surrender, he'll just kill you.

>>88032287
Yeah but he doesn't have many reoccurring villains now does he. At least he finishes the job.

>>88032318
>he doesn't have many reoccurring villains
PLEB ALERT! PLEB ALERT!

>>88032229
As a Punisher fan, I'm inclined to agree.

Plus, he's tried to kill just about everyone at one point or another.

>>88032318
Barracuda and Jigsaw, mother fuckers are hard to kill.

>>88032318
That's not the point. It's a moral issue.
Take the OP's pic. What would a cop do in that situation? He'd pull out his gun and tell the villains to surrender or he'll shoot, if they don't comply, he'll shoot. If the bullets aren't fatal but the threat has been neutralized, they'll let the criminals get medical attention.
Frank just shot them without saying anything even though they weren't posing a threat at the moment.

Remember that time he flipped out and decided that all superpowered are villians? And went on a shooting spree Charles Whitman-style? Killed a few costumed kids?

>>88032318
So you're saying that cops should just kill all criminals? Death penalty for anyone that breaks the law?

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>>88032388
Yes, but they're still dead.

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>>88032404
What does this panel say though?

>>88032474
Which panel? What does that have to do with what I said?

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>>88032468
Jigsaw's still alive actually

>>88032449
Doesn't be only kill people who have killed other people or are responsible for the death of others.

People Frank kills
>Mob bosses
>Mobsters
>Murderers
>Rapist
>Drug dealers
>Sex traffickers
>People who piss on his dead family
>etc

>>88032498
I'm trying to say he doesn't kill without reason like how he won't fight Cap.

>>88032532
Also this

>>88032163
punisher acts outside the law determining who is and is not guilty - its up to his opinion. so other heroes think thats a little unpredictable

>>88032163
he's practically a mass murderer at this point

depending on the writer he will kill a kid for selling dope or exclusively targets organised crime, but gives not a flying fuck if he kills a person forced into the business, a sick fuck, or a family man with no other choice, then tell the children he killed him, if he didn't do it in front of the kids already.

That alone disgusts most of the superhero community.

>>88032318
He has one or two, Jigsaw being the most iconic. But Castle was always street level, plus he comes from 80s vigilante comics that dealt with real crime.

Most of his famous villains were from elseworlds stories ('cuda and The Russian)

>>88032163
Would Frank get along with Dredd?

>>88032553
Yeah, he won't fight Cap because Cap isn't a criminal. But if you're a criminal, he'll kill you where you stand, no mercy.

>>88032566
In Original Sin he was actually called the world's most successful mass murderer.

>>88032163
Yes, /k/, the veterans of different wars are natural enemies and have to be segregated in the VA hospital, otherwise they go HAM on each other. I'm genuinely shocked that you don't know this, please stop eating the grain out of your shells.

>>88032449
Not jaywalkers and pot smokers. But most of the people Punisher kills are hardened killers themselves. In real life I wouldn't support Punisher-like behavior by cops or vigilantes because innocent people would die. But Punisher is a comic book hero, he is able to kill exclusively guilty, evil people with no innocent casualties. It takes suspension of disbelief but so do all Marvel heroes. So in this fictional world where this is possible I endorse it.

>>88032591
I'm just there for talk about guns not veterans. Just thought this was the right place to ask these questions.

>>88032388
>>88032522
>>88032468
There's been at least two Jigsaws and yes, they come back.

In fact a whole lot of people Frank killed came back during Dark Reign, and many of them stayed back.

In effect, since in the case of Jigsaw, Jigsaw II was explicitly created by Frank's actions, he has a negative net effect on the reduction in the number of criminals. That is to say, he created more than he's actually dealt with. As far as non-cape criminals go, he has zero appreciable effect on their numbers or the operations they run - he doesn't tackle the causes of their crimes and thus the power vacuum he creates simply encourages new criminals, unknown to Frank or the authorities, who have a grace period in which they operate with impunity until they are discovered.

>>88032605
You want to see punisher like behavior in real life? Philippines is becoming exactly that.

>>88032449
If u include jaywalkers & potsmokers I'm all for it

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This is why.

>>88032701
Frank doesn't kill journalists for disagreeing with him

>>88032163
I should point out that the one on teh right isn't actually the supervillain Plunderer, he's actually just some guy dressed as Plunderer.
Take that in, Frank just murdered a man because he saw a costume. no questioning, no consideration, just saw a guy wearing a costume similar to that of a minor villain and decided to unload his guns

>>88032709
because he can magically make bulletproof supervillains not be bulletproof? I mean, jobber aura does seem like his most consistent power...

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>tfw Squirrel Girl #3 completely ruined Franked

>>88032568
Dredd would kill him.

>>88032750
He has jobber aura and criminal sense, an immunity to accidentally harming innocents.

>>88032709
>>88032750
isn't this Ultimate?

Frank Castle is just a serial killer who's MO happens to be of some benefit to society.

He doesn't care about people, he doesn't care about anyone innocent, and he just sees everyone as a potential target and not a human being.


Punisher won't allow copy cats to do what he does, not because he believes he's the only one who should bear the burden but because it'll just lessen how many criminals he can kill.

I bet all the innocent people he's left in his wake were all either traumatized, committed suicide or even became criminals themselves.

I'd love to see someone actually put all his work in front of him, show him all the shit's he's done and exactly why none of it mattered.

All Frank has ever done was feed his own blood lust, and it's actually terrifying since criminals do actually reform. Bad people can become good people if they actually do the work. Rehabilitation is much better then having a bullet in your head.

Of course this is the Marvel Universe where your not allowed to rehabilitate, or become a better person because you'll just get retconned by the next writer.

Frank Castle isn't a hero or even a vigilante. He's a psychopath feeding his addiction on people that no one else will bother to help.

>>88032798
also, he makes juvenile delinquents not exist, as Punisher can neither show mercy to a criminal nor kill a kid.

>>88032229
He fits right in then.

>>88032845
Ultimate's End. One Frank killed another and went on a rampage, but I'm not sure which. I dropped that book right after, because that kind of writing is fucking unacceptable.

>>88032701
Yes but since Duterte is a real world person I doubt only evildoers are getting killed. Punisher-like behavior is only okay in fiction because real people make mistakes.

>>88032474
>Frank Castle is insane
Says the man dressed in a flag beating the shit out of someone who isn't fighting back while telling them to burn his guns as if that will somehow do anything.

Nigga actin like he wasn't shootin niggas back in his day.

>>88032894
He's only really a sociopath in the Max version. 616 Punisher does care about innocent people and want to stop criminals from making them suffer like his family did.

>>88032404
>If the bullets aren't fatal but the threat has been neutralized, they'll let the criminals get medical attention.
unless they're black

>>88032924
Ultimate apparently killed regular Frank with a knife throw. Everyone called bullshit on that.

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>>88032163
this page epitomizes why other heroes have a problem with Frank even though this story takes place in a universe without other heroes

>>88032163
It's because other superheroes are faggots.

Read Punisher and other cool shit. Avoid faggotry.

>>88032449
Yes.

>>88032656
/co/ is a board full of faggots.

Punisher is hated by faggots.

It's as simple as that.

>>88032701
And it's awesome.

>>88032656
You came to the wrong board. The character himself triggers the board something real fierce.

>>88033233
>>88033209
>not knowing that /co/ loves the Punisher, that Punisher MAX is one of the most storytimed comics

>>88032775

Only if Frank started killing people in Mega-City One. Anywhere else and Dredd would totally be okay with Frank bringing some semblance of order to what he sees as a chaotic and disorderly world. Frank has an unbreakable resolve and an iron will, just like Dredd. He's the kind of man Dredd respects, even if he disagrees with him.

Personally, I think Dredd would be a little lenient in sentencing because of this, and settle for banishing Frank to the Cursed Earth- set him loose in the world he belongs to.

>>88033233

Nah, Frankday threads and Punisher Storytime threads are almost universally beloved. People only bitch about Frank in desginated b8 threads or ones like these which are accidentl b8 threads.

>>88032894
This faggotry is what ruined The Punisher. You fucking faggots can't deal with the fact that The Punisher isn't crazy and WANT him to ONLY be crazy and refuse to let him be an antihero like he used to be when he was actually popular.

>>88032939
yes, that's exactly the point

>>88033231
sure right, getting blindly accused then murdered is awesome

you forget the part where duterte explicitly says victims should be killed too

>>88033233
false

>>88032701
>In real life I wouldn't support Punisher-like behavior
>You want to see punisher like behavior in real life?

how dense are you?

>>88033056
cops are 50% more likely to shoot whites than blacks on a per encounter basis

>>88033296
not dense enough to be unable to see sarcasm on the internet

>>88033276

He's crazy dude, it's just a sliding scale of Batman Vengeance crazy or full serial killer crazy depending on the book

>>88033113
It's because superheroes are fascists and only perpetuate problems.

The Punisher solves them.

They try to suppress his efforts so they can maintain their grip on the public.

Superheroes are scumbags that deserve to die for the better of mankind. This goes double for mutants.

>>88033233
Ooh, subtle.

>>88033325

Having personal demons and inner turmoil doesn't make you crazy, anon.

>>88033353
The Punisher does nothing to actually solve the problems that cause crime, he just removes symptoms

>>88033295
What "victims"?

>>88033276
...are you saying he was more popular before Garth Ennis?

When he was chasing down drug dealers on skis? Or when his character was so nothing that editorial had him changed to a literally angelic hitman?

>>88033382
Criminals cause crime.

The Punisher kills criminals.

Problem solved.

>>88033364

When you start vigilanteing it does

Is there a What If where Franks family dies and he doesn't go Punisher? Like gets help and tries to have a normal life again? I assume it ends with everyone dead bc jigsaw sells terrorists a nuke or something

>>88032163
OP, you still here?

>>88033259
Hell no. Frank kills someone the law says is protected because "they're wrong", Dredd shoots him in the head.

The thing with Frank is, that he's an insane murderous asshole, who is only slightly tolerated because he spends most of his time murdering people who are nominal "bad guys".

There are only two differences between him and that 90's edgelord the Scourge of the Underworld: One, he was never caught, and two, the Scourge never deliberately went after Spiderman.
Punisher has.
At least once.

The man is about as murderous and insane as Norman Osborne at this point, and lest we forget Norman is the craziest motherfucker in Spidermans rogues gallery, and that is a gallery that includes amongst other things Carnage.

So, the reason why nobody likes that asshole is because they know that the line between villains like Bullseye and heroes like Daredevil in his rules of engagement is only defined by a set of morals that only make sense to Frank.
They also know that Frank is a man capable of rationalising the most APALLING shit on his one man crusade.
And lastly, he's also one of thos assholes that thinks he's right and everybody else is wrong.
He could be gunning down schoolchildren who MIGHT have a world ending disease and he'll still think that it's everybody else who is wrong and not him.

>>88032605
>he is able to kill exclusively guilty, evil people with no innocent casualties
Actually that Goldbug he's murdering in the OP isn't even Goldbug. He's just a representative he hired. So...

>>88033397
>he was more popular before Garth Ennis

He had comics coming out every single week, selling in the top 10, and moving over 100k units.

There were only a few more popular characters in the 80s and 90s.

Having him join the mob and then killing him off pissed off so much of the fanbase that his books stopped selling. He was MASSIVELY popular before that intentional mismanagement.

Ennis also never completely abandoned the antihero element, always made the character sympathetic, and always had him be ultimately right in the end.

Every writer since then just made him "le krazy le XD le upboat".

>>88033440

Dredd doesn't just shoot people in the head on sight, have you ever read a single Dredd comic?

>>88033386
drug consumers.

he refers specifically to addicts which would imply heroin and coke derivatives but everyone knows he means kill anyone who's related to drugs, even if they are innocent or helpless because of actual addiction

>>88033505
marvel knights punisher was hated by the fanbase?

>>88033505
Are you sure you weren't accidentally reading Deadpool?

What comics make him "reddit crazy" as you seem to be convinced?

Why is he called Punisher when all he ever does is murder people?

>>88032163
Because he's the kind of character that other superheroes
a: Would consider objectionable and try to stop
and
b: would have a very easy time of doing so

Cage could put an end to Frank in a weekend. Spider-Man, 5 or 6 hours. Fuck, some of the more powerful characters with deep street level connections- like Richard Rider Nova- could've, and would've, apprehended him literally any time they thought about it.

It's like
>88032179
says: He makes no fucking sense in universe. He weakens the fabric. And the depth of silly , out of character actions and contrivances required to make him not only work, but show up in the Frank Wank Power Hour (Thunderbolts, or the last run with Sexy Solid Snake Frank) is offensive to other characters and fans of those characters.

>>88032388
Barracuda survived him once; and before that he beat him fair and square.

Jigsaw has been reincarnated at least once so he doesn't count.

>>88033530
Junkies are not victims. Asian countries kill ANYONE who brings drugs into their countries and they have NO "drug culture". We need to learn from them and start implementing this same policy.

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>>88033609
>>88033505

>>88033608
you're a homosexual

>>88033609
>Punisher
>a man

Wolverine caught him reading gay porn and when Hood revived his wife and kids so that he can be hetero again, Frank outright murdered them. Fucker's gay as gay can be.

>>88033485
No, that's the real Goldbug. It's the Plunderer who is a fake he hired.

>>88033527
He does, but he's already given them due process and afterward he writes up the reasons that he shot them.

He doesn't do it all the time, but he does do it.

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>>88032532
>Doesn't be only kill people who have killed other people or are responsible for the death of others.
He tried to kill the Shocker who in main canon is just a thief and thug that while he's tried a few times has never actually succeeded in killing anyone (and got his ass handed to him)

>>88033609
>EVERY OTHER MEDIUM IN EXISTENCE

I mean it literally doesn't, but OK, let's pretend that there are only two media and you can go back to /tv/.

>>88033259
>Only if Frank started killing people in Mega-City One. Anywhere else and Dredd would totally be okay with Frank bringing some semblance of order to what he sees as a chaotic and disorderly world.
Frank's order is just killing people. Dredd has dealt with vigilantes, even ex-Judges, with the exact same outlook as Frank. Dredd would incapacitate and arrest Frank and if he couldn't, he would kill him.

>>88032750

All counteracted by the fact he can only kill villains that don't matter.

He's one of the most irrelevant characters. Even in his own books, he's shown to murder hundreds of no-name criminals and yet there's still hundreds more that pop up in the next arc.

>>88033690
My bad, but the point stands Frank technically fucked up his kill policy and should have ate a bullet years ago over it.

>>88033505
>and moving over 100k units.

In the late 80s/early 90s, books were cancelled for bad sales at 80k units.

>>88033609
explains why Punisher MAX is /co/'s favorite series, I guess

>>88033696

Yeah, but nine times out of ten he does that to genuinely evil or dangerous people, from his perspective. Frank doesn't seem like he'd be one of those cases.

He puts them out of work

>>88033768
Frank is genuinely evil and dangerous though. You're delusional if you think Dredd would have any leniency for Frank.

>>88033113
>The boys look like the damage was done
>I had a sinking feeling...I'd be seeing them again in twenty years
FUCK YOU FRANK
Victims of molestation aren't more likely to become criminals when they grow up.

>>88033750
So he's exactly as effective as any capes? Moreso even because he actually has an effect on crime rates.

I mean it's not like Spider-Man's ever going to put Osborn in the ground.

>>88033799
>Victims of molestation aren't more likely to become criminals when they grow up.
Yes they are.

>>88033743

>Dredd would incapacitate and arrest Frank

That's what I'm saying though- he wouldn't kill Frank, he'd apply due process same as he would any other vigilante.

>>88033798

>Frank is genuinely evil and dangerous though.

[citation needed]

>>88033818
Speaking from experience?

>>88032228
But they trend to fuck humanity in several ways, and put the multiverse in danger but if you kill some grunts you are the worst.

>>88033301
Anon, that is bad math. Always remember to factor population %.

>>88033830
He would kill Frank if he just ran into him guns blazing, same as any other armed criminal. If Frank made it too difficult for Dredd to arrest him, Dredd would kill Frank.

Frank is "evil and dangerous" to Dredd. How can you doubt it? He's an individual who decides as an individual to murder people and will never stop. Look at the stories about the Judges who have gone rogue like that, or the Mandroid soldier, or the Chief Judge's Man. Dredd would not tolerate Frank.

Why doesn't Frank just kill Galactus?

>>88033888
You know what would be fun? If Galactus made Frank his Herald. Frank spends all of his free time franking criminals with the power cosmic, then brings Galactus to planets of "evil" aliens like the Brood or the Badoon.

>>88033886
>If Frank made it too difficult for Dredd to arrest him, Dredd would kill Frank.
Punisher doesn't resist arrest. He goes to jail and murders people from the inside until he gets out.

>>88033530
>stop using drugs
>or die
either he kills you or you kill yourself from lack of willpower,OD, doing something stupid to get drugs, etc.

>>88033875
no that's not "bad math"

what part of "per encounter basis" does your faggot ass not understand

>>88033923
>brood
>having a planet

>>88033924
This. Frank would never shoot a cop unless he's corrupt, if he can't get away without hurting them, he'll surrender.

>>88033950
Do you think Frank would be okay with the law in Mega-City One?

>>88033926
Anon, addiction isn't something you can stop at the drop of a hat. That you can't understand the difference between an addiction and a fad means you should probably stop posting.

>>88033924
OK. Then he gets killed when he gets violent in the cubes or is lobotomized by the judges.

>>88033978
Maybe not fundamentally as a concept but he has no history of taking his fight to authoritarianism.

>>88033989
the anons of 4chan are not a nuanced people

>>88033838
Stastically, those who are sexually abused as youths grow up and sexually abuse others at higher rates than the general population. Sexual abuse is a crime.

>>88034065
Is the rate a lot bigger? Surely it's still only a minority of victims.

>>88033886

>He would kill Frank if he just ran into him guns blazing, same as any other armed criminal.

Except Frank doesn't shoot at cops. He specifically makes it a point to avoid doing that because he knows that the moment he does, the entire NYPD will come down on him without mercy.

>>88033978

Probably, yeah. The only issue he would have is that it's not brutal enough and there aren't enough judges on the street with enough firepower.

>>88034087
>He specifically makes it a point to avoid doing that because he knows that the moment he does, the entire NYPD will come down on him without mercy.
No, he avoids doing it because he has a strong moral code and refuses to ever kill "innocents". He's killed corrupt cops before, which did lead to the NYPD or whatever going after him with more intensity.

>>88034086
compared to general population, yes

it's like how victims of child abuse often grow up to be abusers themselves, it's a real vicious cycle

What if Frank raped criminals instead of killing them

>>88034152
Gordon pls go

>Be the Punisher
>Never go after the real criminals

I guess he's with her.

>>88034107

>He's killed corrupt cops before

And every time he does (barring Ultimate Frank which doesn't count) he even points out that doing this is a bad idea but he doesn't really have an alternative. Punisher isn't an arbitrary impulsive maniac, he carefully plans and prepares his actions like the military man he is.

>>88033875
You'll figure it out once you take stats. Your semantics don't have an effect on proportion. If a population group is large, then a greater amount of representation in a given category is to be expected. That doesn't actually increase the chances of something happening to an individual member of that group compared to others. If you're too stupid to understand this concept, feel free to respond.

>>88033657
HAHAHAHAHAHA

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

Jesus H Christ you are comically misinformed. There's is basically no level on which you are correct.
35% of asian countries unconditionally ban the death penalty
the countries that do use it liberally, such as malaysia, cambodia, and thailand, barely use it for drug offenses if at all (Thailand famously uses life imprisonment for its drug offenders)
Many of those countries with the harshest laws are massive drug producers, such as laos, cambodia, Vietnam and especially afghanistan and Myanmar are leading drug producers *in the world*. India punishes it harshly, but has some of the most lax prescription drug laws on the planet, and still is a major producer of cocaine, hashish and opium..

China itself, the most prolific user of the death penalty on the planet, has a rich black market where the wealthy acquire it freely and rarely fear any form of punishment for all but the most blatant drug related crimes.

tl/dr You are as wrong as humanly possible.

>>88032522
So, are those scars or permanent stitches on his face?

>>88034177
Are you implying that Frank never kills corrupt politicians or corporate executives? Because he does.

>>88034219
His face was stitched together like a jigsaw puzzle after it got blown off by Frank. That's where his name comes from.

>>88033817
Death is a shitty prison where you don't hear about it when they escape in a comic universe

>>88034173
Just saying it would be a more powerful deterrent is all

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>>88032894
>Bad people can become good people if they actually do the work. Rehabilitation is much better then having a bullet in your head.

>>88034256
If it's dead flesh how the fuck does it not rot?

>>88034221
If he did it more often the Avengers would have to retire.

>>88033817
>Moreso even because he actually has an effect on crime rates.

His effect on crime rates is non-existent due to the fact that comic book worlds have a population as finite as the plot demands. That organized crime in new york hasn't gone away despite Frank killing possibly in the thousands by now points to that.

>>88032318
He has a few.
And he basically has next to zero effect on the most dangerous villains because he isn't allowed to kill them, so basically he's only good at eradicating street crime, which he honestly admits several times isn't really very helpful because he's not fixing the problems that create it.

He has fully admitted both to questioners and in narration that he does what he does because he likes it and he hates criminals, not because he's really making any lasting effect at all.

>>88034271
Rehabilitation is a real thing anon. When I was younger I knew I former drug addict that had gotten his shit together and volunteered with a community program on the weekends. Dude got me my first job and always gave me good advice before I moved to a different city. Every single day each and every one of us can choose to be better people. I hope you come to know that.

>>88033923
That'd be so ridiculous retarded that I´d be tempted to read it.
I mean, we´ve already had Vampire Hunter Punisher and Supreme Sorcerer Punisher. Herald Punisher seems like the most logical next step.

>>88033817
He has no effect on crime rates.

There are exactly as many mobsters the next month as there were the month before that.

Even when a caped villain dies, they just get replaced by another one, usually with the same costume. We've had like 6 or 7 crimson dynamos and nearly as many goblins. And killing doesn't stop them either.

There's no real argument that frank's killing is more effective than the prison treadmill except that you really want it to be true- Frank's killed so many people on panel that he would have eliminated nearly every member of every crime family on the planet... except that there's still just as many mobsters, the Maggia is doing fine, there are still triads. If Frank is actually killing anyone, he must be making mobsters just as fast as he's killing them.
Frank does nothing. Frank is ineffective.
Frank is garbage.

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>>88033817

Yeah but at least capes deal with villains that actually matter. You got Punisher mowing down mobsters that not even Daffy Duck could name.

At least when he was on the Thunderbolts he actually seemed to be doing something.

>>88034006
Pretty sure Frank would know how to play his cards in order to adapt and survive in that kind of prison. He´s adapted to many prisons in the past and he never attacks without a plan.

>>88034381
Maybe if he raped criminals instead of killing them he'd be more effective

>>88032407
I remember that alternate universe story.
His busting of cyclops was excellent.

>>88034339
There's a difference between being a junkie, who's mainly hurting himself, and being in a gang beating the shit out of people and killing. Those people deserve to get shot.

>>88034308
Not really. Aliens, giant monsters, super-villains, robots, time-travelling conquerors etc. will always be a problem no matter how many people you Frank.

>>88033742
You've clearly never seen an 80s or 90s action movie. The heroes murder dozens of men and make jokes about it.

>>88034339
>>88034442

You don't even need to go into anecdotal shit anon. RDJ is one of the biggest "get your shit together" stories as far as /co/ can be concerned. Danny Trejo used to be a gangbanger and now he's helping kids to not end up making the same mistakes he made. There's several more but those two are the big ones off the top of my head.

>>88034401

Be careful not to cut yourself with all those edges

>>88034442
I get it, actually.
It's the vigilante romanticism, the pervasive belief that anyone with enough bullets and guns and will can effectively "fix" crime or make things better.
Of course like all romanticism it's not true, and largely has no positive or often even lasting affect in reality, but you're correct about it being about fiction so it works in his fictional universe.
Well, not really. But in theory it could.

>>88034305
It's a drawing, anon.

>>88034442
Well, I should add he robbed people to feed his habit, it's why he was imprisoned and able to reform. And plenty of gangbangers bang only because they were unfortunate enough to be born in a place where that's the most lucrative revenue stream. A lot of people don't have a chance due to the circumstances of their birth. How many kids in Appalachia are going to grow up to be engineers or lawyers? How many are going to get involved in meth production?

>>88034502
the thing is, 80s and 90s action movies have a definitive ending. Comic books are ongoing mediums.

>>88034392
Is this from thunderbolts?

>>88034502
You have terrible reading comprehension.

The Punisher Rapes the Marvel Universe

>>88034525
To me it's not really about fixing crime. It's about ridding the world of one more piece of shit whose only contribution to life has been making the world a shitter place.
>>88034542
Hey, stolen goods can be replaced or compensated, for the most part. Human lives cannot. So if you kill people to get a quick fix you should just fucking die.

>>88034261
>>88034322
>>88034381
>>88034392
If death truly doesn't matter in the Marvel Universe, then how can we say Punisher's actions are wrong?

>>88034601
>It's about ridding the world of one more piece of shit whose only contribution to life has been making the world a shitter place.

Reform is an actual thing anon. Or are you trying to say folks like De Niro, Pacino, Trejo, and Mark Wahlberg all don't give to charity which in turn helps make the world not be as shitty?

>>88032750
>Punisher is secretly a nullifier and doesn't even realize it.

2meta.

>>88034662
No, they're worse.

They're boring.

>>88034545
That's a fault of the writers for not being able to come up with new villains.

>>88034585
Okay? It happens in movies, vidya, non-cape comics, and books. Only capeshit pulls this no kill shit.

>>88034687
You´ll have to go into a little more detail about their past criminal lives if I am to make a sound argument

>>88034755
How exactly is murdering someone more boring than beating them up for the 17th time?

>>88034759
That's because it's rather ridiculous to have to come up with a new villain with the exact same power set as one you killed.

>>88032566

> no other choice

No such thing. A honest person prefer to die rather than hurt others.

>>88034565

Yes. It's from their annual and it's damn good.

Monkey's paw because then the guest writers took over and it became a Frank wankfest.

>>88034801
What if the person's death hurt others?

>>88032897
He's killed children before.

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>>88033431
Yes sorry was at Range. I regret what I have done... I didn't know this thread would end up like this.

>>88034873

> hurting someone by your gain < indirectly hurting someone by staying true to your principles

>>88034778
>Deniro
>gangster as a teenager, grew up with connections to one of the mafia families
>any further details about his life 'in the family' suspiciously missing
>Pacino
>tied to the Genovese crime family
>records detailing his affiliation with them sealed from the general public
>Trejo
>robbed stores with fucking hand grenades
>got into shootouts with rival gangs on a near daily basis
>Mark Wahlberg
>joined up with a gang as a stupid teenager
>got hooked on drugs
>attacked two people unprovoked, blinding one person in one eye and assaulting the other with a tree branch, bragging about splitting the guy's head open

>>88034793
> it's rather ridiculous to have to come up with a new villain with the exact same power set as one you killed.

nobody said you should clone the guy. come up with something new

>>88034759
Yeah, its something that makes cape books distinct. A lot of its super-heroes don't like murdering their enemies.

>>88034911
Holy fuck, how does society allow such assholes to go on their daily lives just like that?
I´m sure it must be fun for the owner of a store whose father got blown to bits with a fucking grenade seeing Trejo as a beloved figure.
And I don´t care how much charity they support, they're just trying to clean up what can´t be cleaned up; all the lives they ruined and ended for no goddamned reason other than money or God knows what. They should have gotten killed years ago.

>>88034968
And it sucks, because it's so obviously done for no other reason than because writers can't come up with new villains.

>>88032474
>That monologuing and explaining everything through cheap dialogue.

Is this how every comic book is?

>>88034784
Variety of both encounter and outcome.

Shit, there's more variety in Thor Vs. Absorbing Man fights than the sum of all punisher fights.

>>88032756
Is that suppose to be Frank?

>>88035016
Because we're human beings. We have our faults, but we're always trying to do better. If we went with your retarded logic no white person should be living in america because you fuckers deserve to be strangled in the womb for the sins of your ancestors, going around and killing indians and giving them smallpox and whatnot, Christians and Muslims need to die out en masse for atrocities commited throughout history, etc. etc.

>>88034601
>To me it's not really about fixing crime. It's about ridding the world of one more piece of shit whose only contribution to life has been making the world a shitter place.
This issue is largely that in real life this is neither cost-efficient or effective (and anyone who actually go out and do these things are generally in it for more egoistic reasons then altruistic ones), and in the universe where he exist it's even less effective then that because of the nature of his comic book setting.
Frank worked best in his Ennis series where he's existing in his own microcosm where everything else in Marvel doesn't exist and he's the closest thing there is to a superhero.

>>88032474
>beat the fuck out of someone who isn't resisting
>WAAH HE GUNNED DOWN INNOCENT MASS MURDERERS WHO DINDU NUFFIN

Not my cap.

>>88035243
What if the Punisher was working for Hydra all along

>>88035111
So now murder is a fault? Well, I guess Pedro Lopez was just misdirected, right? He should be given a second chance, who cares if he killed 300 kids, right?
And no, I don´t say we should blame entire groups for the crimes of a few, dumbass. Punish each person individually. Smallpox doesn´t count; you can´t control that shit. Members of the Inquisition killed, not all Christianity, radical Muslims become terrorists, not all Islam. Don´t put words in my mouth. I say that at certain point your actions invalidate your status as a human being and from that point on you should be treated like a fucking dog and be put down for your trouble.

>>88032894
>Punisher won't allow copy cats to do what he does
What a load of shit, that time he shot them was because they were legit insaner than him, one was a nazi or some shit.

>>88034423
Oh, no, not Punisher kills Marvel, no. Ultimate's End. Main universe and Ultimate. This shit is canon.

>>88033875
>it's fuzzy math

Shut up George. Not our fault that Jeb was a waste

>>88034525
Sure anon, this is why our permissive criminal system down here led us to get the highest homicide amount in the world.

This is why we need cops going vigilante and acting as private security to even try and hold back the tide, because not shooting criminals works.
Not arresting them works so well, specially when they have RPGs and .50 machineguns, and machetes to cut off people's limbs, or maybe they can just set you on fire. These people totally reform if you treat them well.

>>88034271
I'm a bit blown away by the irony of you using a batman reaction image for this post.

>>88034687
>Reform is an actual thing anon

The damage they do is already done. Depending on the severity of the damage, they shouldn't be given a chance to "get better." They should be removed. How quickly people forget about the real victims and instead shift sympathy to the criminal is disgusting. Don't forget, don't forgive.

What if the Punisher had to resort to prostitution to get by

>>88035243
Once again, one of the two guys he just killed wasn't even a criminal. He was just pretending to be on behalf of one.

>>88035277
The specific reason was because they killed bystanders.

>>88035391
The sex would be uncomfortable. He'd just stare at you, silently.

>>88035387
>The damage they do is already done.

Reform isn't to change the past you mong. It's to affect the future. Danny Trejo for example, is doing his bit to stop kids from doing the stupid stuff he did. If you say he deserved to be put down, that won't right the wrongs of his past, but it takes away a person that's trying to help kids to find the straight and narrow.

>>88035471
>Reform isn't to change the past you mong. It's to affect the future

So is removal. Reform is a gamble. And once again, depending on what you've done, you shouldn't be given the gift of rehabilitation. You should be put down to prevent you from causing any more damage.

>>88035401
>assisting a criminal
FIVE YEARS IN THE ISO-CUBES

>>88035528
You're also saying they should be put down to prevent bettering the next generation you retard.

>>88035471
So tell me, at what point does someone become irredeemable?
The allies executed people for spreading propaganda during the Nuremberg Trials so I'd say the line is pretty damn blurred by our culture.
And how do you know which to target?
The vast majority of fuckers here are completely 100% irredeemable, we're talking people who will execute you for taking too long to open your wallet, do you think we WANT these people back in society as "productive" members?

>>88035570
You can help the future by giving people good opportunities of having good lives: education, jobs, healthcare, good virtues and a family.
Removing a mass murderer isn't mutually exclusive with making the future better.

>>88035534
Do you think some criminals intentionally let themselves get captured because isocubes are cheaper than regular housing?

>>88035570
Like I said, it's a gamble. They might get better, they might not. And even if they do visit sick kids and donate to charity it might not balance out the damage they've done. Death is a guarantee they can't hurt anybody anymore and is a statement saying their past shouldn't be forgotten or ignored, that their victims may not benefit from their rehabilitation.

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>>88035622
I don't know, I've heard of people getting arrested on purpose but... why.
Iso Cubes are bleak as fuck.

>>88035615
>education, jobs, healthcare, good virtues and a family

People will do what people wish to do, and the whole "rebellious phase" isn't just a made up thing. I mean, while not gangbanging, just look at Kelly Baltazar. She had all of those things you said, and the moment she was legal she chose to dive headfirst into hardcore pornography by doing a shoot for facial abuse.

You can't guarantee that the things you mentioned will lead to productive members of society.

>>88035590
I dunno, go on a rampage across the universe in an overwhelming obsession to be loved by absolutely everyone everywhere at all times?

>>88035704
>guarantee
Sure, you can't guarantee but in general they are statistically proven to help a fuckton.

>>88035733
Kek

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>>88033209
>I dont know shit about comics or /co/
>I equate sometimes shit 616 Punisher with all iterations

Back to your containmentboard, /pol/.

>>88035704
>the moment she was legal she chose to dive headfirst into hardcore pornography by doing a shoot for facial abuse.

Now there's a young woman that knows what she wants and is not afraid to go for it. God speed, spunk bucket. God speed.

>>88035755
She stopped after the one outing. Virtually no one's seen nor heard from her since.

>>88034905

Not your fault. As usual the 'muh realism' crowd can't accept or need to troll about how comic books aren't exactly like our world.

>>88035434
the guy goign against the white collar crimes kiled innocents.
I understand why he killed that guy.

The nazi guy was well, a nazi.
I understand why he killed that guy.

The priest only kiled people who had confessed in confession to doing utterly terrible things.
I do not understand why Frank killed that guy.

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>>88035366
It's almost as if it was intentional

>>88035781
Some people only learn by doing.

>>88035974
If it was, I can't tell because sarcasm doesn't translate well through text.

>>88035934
Frank called him a lunatic. He didn't have any real control over his actions, he let his emotions get the better of him. Disposing of his victims certainly didn't help his case.

>>88035934

One, he's breakin his oath. Two, there's no guarantee that it will stay in the confessional since he doesn't have Frank's discipline. Three, will he start killing people who confess to just having those kind of thoughts as a 'preventive measure'? Cause that's a slippery slope.

>>88035111

> We have our faults
> Like for example those faults of times when you were not alive, this is obviously on par with those people who did bad things with their hands

Any other 'intelligent' remarks you want to make anon?

>>88036344
Are you dense? Are you retarded or something? It's pointed out that the retarded "hurr people dat do da bad ting should be made ded" has far reaching consequences that you snuff out just because shit is bad in the present.

>>88036428
> Are you dense? Are you retarded or something?

Are you anon? I think you are. But let's see your excuse...

> It's pointed out that the retarded "hurr people dat do da bad ting should be made ded" has far reaching consequences that you snuff out just because shit is bad in the present.

It does that... how? Like, you think I would oppose if the Punisher went back on past and shoot criminals and bad people? Fine by me.

>>88036489
>It does that... how? Like, you think I would oppose if the Punisher went back on past and shoot criminals and bad people? Fine by me.

Ok, you really are functionally retarded. If you follow the conversation chain, it's talking about just putting people down for crimes rather than reform, with Punisher not even being part of the equation as people are soapboxing about how this shit should be how it's done in real life. That's why you have people bringing in celebrities like Markymark and Al Pacino. If people applied this mentality from all the way back, then generations of Americans would not be existing in the here and now because of having been descended from those pioneers that regrettably had to kill people while founding the country. If murder was the immediate solution to crime then countries like Australia would not exist, and so on and so forth.

They don't like Frank becasue he does what they secretly wish they could. Permanently put down criminals.

>>88036713
Foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>>88036597
> Ok, you really are functionally retarded.

Eh, no. You are basically saying irrelevant shit that doesn't matter, then acting like you have a point. You are fucking retarded.

First, you need to understand what is a crime (itt Colonization, War and etc aren't).

Second, what difference would it make if Australia didn't exist per example? In fact, who said that it wouldn't exist? The only difference is that other people would eventually colonize Australia. They wouldn't leave such a big landmass without not having anything. It's basically a no point based on feels, even if somehow they killed every pilgrim 'guilty' just more pilgrim 'not guilty' would come. Which, again, is only an example of irrelevancy since Punisher kill mostly people who don't comform with the laws of the age.

>>88036798
>keeps talking about punisher as though he were part of the conversation that was had.

Yep, functionally retarded. Keep fighting those two trees buddy. You'll beat em someday.

>>88033474
>t. Joss Whedon

>>88035391
There is an issue where Punisher has sex with a prostitute. He doesn't pay her though. I think she was helping him set up a hit on a criminal and she offered herself to him. Something like that.

>>88032532
>>People who piss on his dead family

That's a shitty thing for someone to do, but that only warrants an ass-kicking at most, not murder.

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>>88036866
>Believing refusing to argue makes him smart

>>88036866
> I'm leaving out, here is an insult so it looks like I had a point

Whatever you say retard. Next time don't come to talk about things you have no clue about.

>>88036929
I think the guy was already in the mafia so he probably already deserved to die for other reasons.

What if the Punisher punished criminals

with his dick

>>88032568

Absolutely not. Dredd's moral code is even more grim, unyielding and absolute than Castle's.

>>88036978
>t. Captain James Gordon

>>88036949
>Next time don't come to talk about things you have no clue about.

Says the guy that kept bringing in a comic book character to a conversation that deviated from that at the point someone said "If you wanna see real life punisher the philippines is already there".

>>88032532
You forgot to add one more to that list

>his dead family that was brought back to life for him

>>88032750
>jobber aura does seem like his most consistent power...

As his totally one sided fight with Wolverine proved

>>88037020

> Punisher thread
> I don't want to talk about the Punisher, even through it's about the Punisher morality

Then go back to >>>/pol/

>>88037165
How do you get "I don't want to talk about punisher" from "the conversation has shifted to the point where Punisher isn't a relevant part of the conversation"?

Oh, right, functionally retarded.

>>88037217
> How do you get "I don't want to talk about punisher" from "the conversation has shifted to the point where Punisher isn't a relevant part of the conversation"?

The part that you should have then shut up and went back to the comic character?

Oh, right, you are functionally retarded.

>>88037320
Heaven forbid discussion actually be allowed to grow so that ideas can be shared amongst individuals.

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>>88032775

Yes; Frank is a murdering vigilante. Judges don't got no truck wit dat.

>>88037359

Heaven forbid you being unable to see when you are off-topic and should go back to >>>/pol/

>>88032894
>just a serial killer

Mass-murdering, bomb-throwing, torturing, arsonist, cop-killing serial-killer.

What if the Punisher was black

>>88033353

Superheroes are in a completely-different conceptual universe, tho, regardless of how much some creators have tried to dirty them up.

>>88033414

But there's still as many criminals and the same amount of crime as when he started; more, even.

>>88033841
>they
Those are the bad ones. The good ones don't.

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>>88037509
He was.

>>88034207
Looks like the Asians are sissies too. Need a real, powerful nation to have an actual war on drugs.

>>88032605
>Not jaywalkers

Frank has shot people for jaywalking and littering.

The obvious answer is because he actually does what anyone would actually do if had the chancre. Put down any sort of criminal.

Heroes that try too hard in saving criminals even though they will just come back and do whatever again and again.

>>88037605
Proof?

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>>88036929
That guy was a cop killer too famalam

What if the Punisher was a little girl

>>88037759
This was retconed into him having been drugged by one of his enemies

>>88035275
Societies necessarily put the people born into them into situations where they have very little control. There are going to be cases where an individual member of a society engages in behaviour dictated by time and circumstance. Unfortunately, crime and murder may follow from the structure of a society. For this reason, society shares in the responsibility to varying degrees (not always of course) and it becomes unethical for that society to kill one of it's members when the society may share in culpability. Can't just kill criminals left and right bro. It ain't right.

>>88037891
Being drugged doesn't change that he shot them anon. He can't un-shoot them by saying "I, the Punisher, was on some dank weed!"

>>88037759
Thanks, bud.

>>88037891
Even worse because that means he sucks as a "hero."

>>88035352
>Highest homicide amount in the world

Surely you mustn't be talking about the U.S. You couldn't be that misinformed, you tinfoil hat wearing Trump loving dumb cunt.

No wonder /pol is so scared all the time. They don't know anything.

>>88037854

I think he was in the Mangaverse.

>>88035352
we're 14th in homicides

>>88032701
And it's the best damn thing to happen to the Philippines in years.

>>88037891

Bad retcons are bad.

>>88037058
Don't forget how he is able to invade Latveria and kill Dr Doom with an EMP grenade and a hammer.

>>88032568
Make this a fucking comic.

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What are you talking about? Peter likes Frank just fine.