Paranatural

>>88022543
This has probably been one of the most enjoyable sequences he's done since the train fight.

Goddamn it Zack! I want to hate for not finishing up with Max but it so damn hard to.

>Ed actually downed RJ and Johnny in one punch
Holy SHIT, I was not expecting this at all

Incoming ass whooping in 3..

>hitting a girl
Ed's a madman.

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>>88022543
>let's beat up one million children
alright, you got me good, Zack

>>88022823
Scene's over. We might get something like what happened with Max's fight with Johnny where it just cuts to them post ass-kicking, but Johnny didn't seem too into this.

>>88023145
He got his spirit broken then his shirt ripped off.

I don't think I'd be into it either.

>>88022543
Isaac's into Anime, Ed's Kung Fu movies and Isabel is Origami, the Activity club should just become an Asian Culture appreciation society.

>>88022543
>first thing RJ gets to do
>fucks it's up
During the hitball game, when did RJ get hit, I just wen't back over it and it seems like they just got out for no reason other then just leaving so Johnny and Max could work together for it

>>88022543
>let's beat up one million children
did i feel into a time wrap to 3 years ago? I'm actually laughing at Paranatural again?

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>>88023447

So do you guys think ed might turn evil? He is going down a weird road and it's possible that his parents are the ones behind the pixeldog and, while it is less likely, hijack

>>88023689
Wait what, when was that implied?

>>88022543
>get back to these kids later
This is a bad omen. Please tell me we're not back to lesburka.

>>88022543
wow i can't believe ed committed a hatecrime

>>88023689
100% not at all. He is in their group in all their early art. He might be the rival or anti-hero but Issac is confirmed vilain or heroic sacrifice.

>>88023847
>tfw Zack has turned his story into a roulette wheel with stuff you actually want to see along with shit that drains your energy and interest and spins it every few pages
>tfw you know the draining shit is inevitable
I hope he gets that out of the way sooner rather than later. I don't want to have to keep dreading that.

>>88023790
So it's a bit of a run around but

Agent Day talks about how the doctors burger disappeared
http://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-5-page-144
These were probably ed's parent as he lives in Isabel and burger is his last name as mentioned here
http://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-4-page-117
Then the idea that they are these shadowy figures is my own little theory but I think it fits
http://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-4-page-148

Cant ___ the Ed

>>88024039
bed

>>88022543
Okay fine the last panel made me laugh out loud, you're all right again Zack.

>>88024039
Can't shred the Ed

Unknown to most, Beat Up One Million Children was the working title to Kill 6 Billion Demons, before major changes were made to the script.

>>88024135
Could work as a lore prequel.

I love this page. I am somewhat surprised Ed has gotten only stuff from movies and received no martial arts stuff in all his time participating at Francisco Guerra's house of bruises though. Maybe it was only about child abuse for its own sake all along. Ed's spirit would be proud.

>>88024985
I think Ed's scared of mister Guerra.

>>88024985
what do you mean? He does get martial arts training at Gramps, he was training out in the backyard with all the other spectrals last night

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>>88022543
>Even the small amount of fighting experience earned from beating up children can get you to level 99 if you grind enough.

LIVE TO WIN.
TILL YOU DIE.
TILL THE LIGHT DIES IN YOUR EYES.

LIVE TO WIN.
TAKE IT ALL.
JUST KEEP FIGHTING TILL YOU FALL.

DAY BY DAY.
KICKIN' ALL THE WAY.
I'M NOT CAVIN' IN.

LET ANOTHER ROUND BEGIN.
LIVE TO WIN!
YEAH, LIVE!
YEAH, WILL!

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>>88022543 (OP)
1. The colours are getting stronger on this page.
2. Juvenile male nipples. It's like seeing the butt-hole from Simon's Cat...comical, makes sense from the context, but still awkward.

>>88023922
>I hope he gets that out of the way sooner rather than later
Still patient even after the death of the ladies' characters, huh. I envy your tolerance.
(Speaking of tolerating, the ladies could've shut up right after the big myth-drop and the wait would've been more tolerable.)

>>88023921
>Issac is confirmed villain or heroic sacrifice
>villain
What's the point of 'that wallpaper', then. And Doorman's "I know there's still some goodness in you" speech to him in chapter 3? Aren't we suppose to root for him facing his personal struggles or something? Don't we want him to eventually succeed? The same appliees for Max, Isabel et al, we all want them to do the same. Whatever happened to banding up the dysfunctional team together?

>heroic sacrifice
Sure, let him die in circumstances that are too foreign for his normie parents to understand. They'll be fine with that. They'll just smile blissfully at their precious son's wake, buying whatever explanation the teacher responsible had told them as a cover-up. A great lesson we should all learn from that, truly. Isaac's soul totally at peace, yo.
/s

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>>88025637
He isn't going to be in the story in a big way. /s like some tumblr peice of shit all you want. That's the general cut of things. Zack has left him out of team shots AND whole cast shots before. He isn't staying on.

>b-but if I like him he should betray them. No story ever has character in the main cast go rogue and betray their own before
You're a fucking idiot
>b-but wouldn't that be sad, especially with his parents not understanding anything
Yes. This isn't the first, magic side of reality series ever. Often people die in them and everyone else is left to pick up the peices without an explanation.

>took 20 minutes to rewrite you piddly bitching
Kill yourself my man.

>>88025694
That... actually makes me kind of sad. I really like Isaac

>>88022543
Everything about this page is just fantastic.

>>88025694
>b-but if I like him he should betray them
I never said I like him. I'm just pointing out how the all the progressions (the plot and the extras) so far seem to point out where this might be going. (Maybe my wording seemed a bit too enthusiastic to be perceived as overt fawning, I should take note of that.)

>b-but wouldn't that be sad, especially with his parents not understanding anything
I'm not fretting about the tragedy of it, I just think of how unrealistic that would be if the parents were having that kind of behaviour. Like The Turners from the Fairly Oddparents...except FOP is a way different show altogether in terms of tone and premise. Since PNAT is supposed to be all realism and stuff, I'm thinking they're gonna hypothetically act like real parents and go hysterical.

>Zack has left him out of team shots
So was Ed.

>AND whole cast shots before.
There was only one cast shot, IIRC. And Zack himself wrote on his DA account regarding that like, "I know you readers ask where's Isaac, he has the special place with Max somewhere I won't show you because SPOILERS" (turned out to be that wallpaper and people were so hyped about the implications, even here.)
You wanna blame anyone, blame Zack who's waving the tasty steak to the hounds before he releases them. I just follow the canon.

I dunno, anon. Zack kinda promised that his comic would not go over the edge. Darkness Induced Audience Apathy's probably the very last thing he'd want to do, especially when he's making us wait for months, even years for some resolution.

>>88022543
>this comic
>4/5 gags in a single page
M-m-my cynicism... my hate... it's melting...

>>88025928
There is no sting to a betrayal that is seen a mile away. There is no tragedy in someone who was always evil being evil. Issac's arc is resistance then acceptance. He will fall, before that though half of the people will think he can be redeemed

>so was Ed
No he wasn't. He's been out of one or two tops. Issac is out of heaps and in REALLY obvious and detailed shows. If Ed does leave the story it will be later, as to Zach he is still a core team member, even when Issac isn't.

>b-but Zach said
Except there are other examples before he got as chatty with the fans. Ones from far earlier in development that he pulled or made excuses for.

Having people die or turn isn't 'going over the edge'. Frankly I think lesburka is more edgey (in a literal sense).
>darkness induced audience apathy
This isn't a thing. There are loads of happy story with dark shit. There are loads of dark stories that people enjoy. You're actually making shit up now. As for apathy, his B-plot is sufficient

BEAT 1 MILLION CHILDREN

Glad to see that Ed can easily beat up some kids after fighting demons and shit all the time.

>>88023847
We're going to Isaac stalking Mr. Garcia.

>>88025637
>Shirtless is fine but nipples is weird
I hate this shit

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>>88025987
>Issac is out of heaps and in REALLY obvious and detailed shows.

Let's see those chara appearances:
>Rad like your dad
Isaac, Isabel, Max
>That Christmas thing, with Max licking the bat
Isabel, Isaac, Max
>That Halloween thing
Spender, Zarei, Day, Ed, Isabel, Isaac, Max
>That pirates stuff
Isabel, Isaac, Max, Ed as a monkey, Spender as a parrot
>The big cast shot
No Isaac, no Ne'er-Do-Wells

...godammit, am I really gonna do this? I've stopped following this thing since months ago, I'm just here for a long-time-no-see visit!

>>88026108
When did you get here? I drop in just to shit the place up when I see it. I fell out of love a long time ago.

>>88022543
> Let's beat up six billion children
> Also the children are demons

This is the first page in a long time that's made me laugh out loud. I'd forgotten how funny this comic could be. Top job Zack, more like this plz

>Johnny finally gets a bit motivated
>his shirt gets ripped off
Noice

Wonder if Forge is gonna be coming out of Johnny now?

Are all the spectral kids huge bullies?

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>>88022543
>tfw we're going back to the turbo lesbians

>>88025637
>Juvenile male nipples.
>awkward.
'Murricans are weird.

>>88022543
>Let's beat up one million children.
Lost.

>>88022543
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxkezvGwI20

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>>88022543
>shirtless Johnny
>Ed taking on 2 guys at once and winning
>that end gag
Best page in a long while.

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Post yfw you will never be as autistic as this guy >>88025637

>>88027539
>mfw I have no face
I want Isaac to live!

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>>88027539
>>88025637

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>>88023880
Xe was even going to hit Ed in the head with a bat

>>88022795
did you SEE how many exercises that boy can do

>>88022543
Heh, you all that called Ed a cuck must be feeling so stupid right now.

>>88023847
Please anon, have some cultural sensitivity.
It's a Lesbijāb.

>>88022749

At least it's not 6 billion children.

>>88022543
This is it. This is why I read this comic.

>>88027712
These threads aren't all bad just yet. Bless you.

>>88022543
>>88022749

That monkey is still one of the few good things left in paranatural.

Also the hoodie tried to bat him in the head? Jesus dude, where's your sense of proportion?

>>88023103

>transgender
>girl

Nope.

>>88028713
Is hoodie canon transgender or are people here making fun of Zack's tumblrness?

Because after the Dragonball Homo the former wouldn't surprise me

>>88028731
check the cast page pham

>>88028731

Zack has said that "she" is transgender. The character was probably introduced as a girl then made into a trans later on to appease the crowd that's constantly demanding them in every media avenue.

>>88028740
It says "they" doesn't like queers.

>>88022543
Holy shit, I thought the training panel was the funniest this comic's been in years, and then I read that last panel. This might be the best Paranatural ever.

>>88028761
>8-year old tranny

I mean I can understand the supergay, but that's honestly disgusting.

>>88028761
The gender or sexual preferences hasnt been revealed yet

>>88022543
Eds Dad is Wario?

>>88022543
We stands now?

goddamit Jojo why do you do this to me?

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>>88022543
that reminds me of this picture

>>88028965
Did you only just start reading this comic?

>>88028965
zack literally made this joke on the page where muse was introduced, fuck off

>>88027503
[/spoiler]>not noticing the spelling in 'colour'

>>88027552
>>88027548
>>88027539
Whatever you say, bud. I'm just observing the road we're going so far. It would've made more sense if you guys could tell which one will go evil at THE MIDDLE of the big PNAT story. But we've just been 5/6 DAYS in-comic. Anything can happen and change course in the next chapters. I just don't like to jump the gun, concluding stuff hastily when we're just beginning.

(Maybe I shouldn't have worded it like what in such an enthusiastic way,...an effect of being this grossed to this comic once, I guess. I don't give a rat's ass if the people's favourite - 4chan's, tumblr's or etc - gets the chop anyway, it's the action and suspense I'm after.)

>>88029145
>>88028965
I wish we had gotten Ed's original spirit instead of this thing that Zack obviously shoehorned because he happened to be watching Jojo.

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What's your favorite page, /co/?
Mine is Lucifer chewing out Spender. I really like his character.

>>88030652
That's a great one. I fucking love his design, too.

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>>88030652
The ones with best girl.

>>88030259
What? Muse is fucking great.

What did the original spirit look like though?

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>>88022543
I can't be the only one to think that this page would work better without jokes

like, Ed actually beating them up. I mean, he SHOULD be a badass, with all the training.

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>>88030652
Technically 2 pages but it is still one of the best sequences in the comic

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>>88030956

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>>88022749

>>88030956
>>88030968
Did people complain about no backgrounds during the time around these pages?

Reminder that Jeff's full name is canonically Jeffavorite Flavors

>>88028731
No, they reject the gender binary so they don't identify with either sex. We don't know what their genitals are.

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>>88031216
It's no comparison, we regularly got pages like this.

>>88031216
what this anon said>>88031318
Plus the lack of backgrounds there helps the eventual joke

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>>88030259
>>88030845

Not that different. I definitely like the paint palette hands and feet more.

>>88023486
Hitball wasn't that funny.
>>88024039
Can't spread the Ed.

>>88031318
This page was nearly 2 years ago

>>88022543

Crazy hypothesis, guys. What if the lack of a background isn't just laziness on Zach's part, but some side effect of hijack? It's a subtle way of showing everyone is really caught up in their own minds and unaware of their general surroundings except only when they absolutely have to be. While we're complaining about the lack of interesting background art, this is part of a long term plan to show the effects and capabilities of this new spirit.

>>88031455
Yes, it follows directly after the pages anon wondered about in >>88031216

>>88022543
oh my god. Has Zack done it? Is Paranatural finally back????

but have you considered... beating up one child one million times?

>>88031216
Yeah, I remember people complaining about gradient backgrounds a lot even in the early days.

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>>88030652
>it has chosen to wage psychological warfare by repeatedly eating itself in front of me

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>>88027581
>this is a real photo
What has the world come to when the shut ins are the only rational people?

>>88031567
you can only gain exp once per defeated enemy partner

>>88030968
W-what DO they do to artists?

>>88031216
No they were more concerned about the teacher holding a noodle.

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Here's today's page together with one from 80 pages ago.

What happened to Zack's colors?

>>88033636
They're all wearing clear colors on the right, and there's no dramatic lighting. I figure it's because today's page is meant to be goofy while the other was more serious.

>>88030783
Patrician taste

Whyb do they fight ghosts?

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>>88033636
Zack declared a war against dark colors. The lowest intensity outside black is about ~120.
Pic related is the same image with 5 seconds of level correction. The colors are there, Zack simply intentionally makes them too bright.

>>88034066
Maybe just a little over saturated but it does look better. Fuck pastels

>>88034010
Seriously, I forgot. Aren't ghosts unable to harm non spectrals? I really funny recall why they do these things or what the goal of the train arc was

>>88034242
Don't recall*

Just sat down and read through all of this. It was surprisingly decent, like a western JJBA, although when I was reading this, I didn't know that that one kid was a tranny and the two mandatory minorities (don't get me wrong, I like their characters and appreciated that their race and culture wasn't shoved in my face) are lesbians. Learning about this forced sexuality inclusion thing seriously soured the experience (>8 year old tranny).
t. /a/non

Why did Z/hack lie about hurricane prep a few weeks back when he lives in upstate NY?

>>88034419
Patreon $

>>88034315
While I certainly don't doubt that Zach is trying to earn brownie points for the SJW crowd, the issue with minorities is they're "forced" anywhere they are, if people don't like it. And if it isn't made clear, then folks will just deny it. And if it's made clear out of the story, they'll claim bad story telling or shitty inclusion.

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>>88034213
>Maybe just a little over saturated but it does look better.
Agreed, tried my own hand at it editing the original page (left) and >>88034066 's page.
Although editing the edit was kinda hard to do for some reason.

>>88034736
I actually like how the guy who made this handled the minority characters. They were actual characters rather than token minorities (i.e. the fact that the doctor is a Muslim isn't shoved in your face, she's treated like any other character rather than having get ethnicity being get sole defining character trait and this goes for all the minority characters in this comic). For the lesbos, what bothers me is that homosexuality should be against the Muslim lady's upbringing and culture so she shouldn't be anywhere near as okay with this happening with someone she knows can make people fall in love with her with her power. Honestly, before I knew Word of God confirmed lesbos, I thought it was some good old tsundere teasing from my Chinese cartoons. I suppose it's just my taste, but I'd prefer a begrudging friendship route rather than lesbians. I'm okay with yuri, but I think that would be lazier than depicting a complicated friendship. As for the tranny,
>8
>years
>old
Also I think transgenderism is bs and a mental illness, but then again, that's just me.

>>88034736
Lesbijab was actually forced though. Zack straight up said he forcrd them in to spite the alt right because he had a big following here and that must be a sign he's doing something wrong, right?

>>88035025
>get
*the

>>88028787
>>88034315
>>88035025
>RJ is 8

???

it's a middle school comic

>>88035145
Oh sorry, I meant 8th grader (at least I think that's their grade). I don't know where 8 year old came from.

>>88035212
Everyone's in 7th grade except for Isaac, who's in 8th.

>>88035440
Well still
>7th
>grade
>tranny
In what world can preteens make these kinds of decisions? They ain't exactly one of the most informed and responsible demographics out there.

>>88035036
Not exactly forced. Say he felt the comic needed a serious character. As a result, he'd simply add one. The character would be their own character, just with serious as the intended trait. It wouldn't be forced. Zach may have added diversity, but it wasn't out of spite, he just felt if a place as bad as (internet-known) 4chan was right by his side, he might not have been aligned with his morals. He's been here before, he's gotten a taste of 4chan, and while /co/ ain't /b/ or /pol/, he got scared off by some anons intentionally acting out

>>88035515
It says "eschews the gender binary" so its not like the character is getting surgery or some shit. Imo it's no different than being gay in middleschool. We all knew that one guy, I'm sure.
>inb4 can't know you're gay by 15
I think by that point you start jacking it enough to know what you like and what you don't

>>88027503
...I'm guessing you've never met an American? Who told you that male nipples were considered weird here?

>>88035605
>he felt the comic needed a serious character
and then turned her into a joke, like every other character.

Not him, and i also agree it wasn't forced. It was unrealistic; lacking in believability..

it's a goddamn gay muslim, and we're never told of any kind of internal conflict this character might have before making this sort of reveal.

>>88035738
Except these are 15 year olds. These are 10-13 year olds. They're middle schoolers. They're still between girls are icky and wanting to fuck anything with a vagina (or penis, but whatever, you get my point). It takes me right out of the story when someone who is barely out of childhood and isn't even a teen yet starts making decisions about "gender binaries" and the like. Maybe of they'd been a few years older, I wouldn't be as critical. Kids that age simply don't behave like that and it's unrealistic.

>>88035937
*these aren't

>>88035937
>>88035960
I don't know, anon. I'm sure it happens more so with all these kids using Tumblr and being exposed to that kind of stuff more often.

I knew I was gay when I was 11.

>>88035937
See I hate to pull this card but
>unrealistic
>suzy's character exists
>Lisa's character exists
Honestly the most realistic character is Isaacs weabo ass.
It's a fantasy middleschool where everyone is more mature

>>88035605
He wrote a tweet about how some new characters would piss off 4chan. Seems he did it for the sake of spiting *-phobes.

>>88035937
There is nothing wrong with knowing your sexuality by 12-13.

But i do think there is some fault when a character is open about it by that age; it's not realistic. Cody should be much deeper in the closet, at least for more four years. That was my issue with the two lesbos some pages ago. Just.. what the fuck? first, they're 12.. second, in the open? just like that?

>>88035605
He got pissed that shitposters on /v/ referred to Gigi as a nigress or something.

>>88036199
>two lesbos
If you're talking about Zarei and Blind girl, they're both adults. If you're not, please enlighten me cause I missed it.

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>>88036149
Source?

And this whole time I thought Zack said that he wanted his webcomic to be unpalatable to 4chan. But that wasn't the case.

I feel like people here are trying to make Zack seem meaner than he is or something.

>>88036243
i'm talking about the OTHER girls, of course. I mentioned they're 12, didn't i?

the ones at the bar. A gay 12 years old should be too afraid to even talk about sexuality, what to say be open about it AND have a girlfriend.

>>88036273
>people turn someone into a boogeyman

Because memes and people enjoy being angry

>>88036273
I don't get these tweets. Isn't that the same thing? If you want to be completely unpalatable, does it matter if it's you or your comic? Doesn't it include both? Or am I just misunderstanding the whole thing?

>>88036281
I just reread the bar part and I don't see it.

>>88036273
>But that wasn't the case
What do you mean

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>>88036273
does he assume we're all one person?

>>88036123
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I just saying that people being transgender or gay or whatever at that age are a statistical outlier and I don't really see it happening in a small town.

>>88036456
Zack was even talking about them on twitter, man. It's right on the page that Max gets in, on the right bottom corner. Lesbo kids openly being homo like in some sort of fairy land where everyone accepts that.

>>88036132
I'm okay with those because they are obvious parodies of the usual student archetypes in these kinds of stories. If RJ was a tranny parody, it still wouldn't really fit in though. Honestly, the author could have just as easily said that no one knows whether RJ is a boy or a girl and left it at that. No need to drag in stuff like gender binaries.

>>88036199
Wait, Cody is gay? What the fuck?

>>88036583
Come on, anon, he said he found a guy cute. Only homophobic shitlords cannot conclude from that statement alone that he's gay. Not even bisexual, full gay.

>>88036583
Zack confirmed it on the hitball arc, because of the "i think he likes me" statement. Don't worry, many people told Zack this doesn't make any sense already and that's the only reason it took so long for lesbos to start appearing. But now everything will go full gay in no time. Get out while you still can.

>>88036505
Sure theyre .5℅ of the population but hell its a fantasy story. Its ridiculous but very plausible, especially if RJs parents raised him that way.

>>88036583
>>88036456
The count is:

gays: 5
trans: 1 or 2 (depends if Suzy is confirmed)
straight: 0 (none confirmed, perhaps some parents)

>>88036601
>>88036612
>people (even kids) can't even do compliments anymore without it being gay
I'm honestly just disappointed. This is hack writing.

>>88036663
>Suzy
>trans
Delete your comment, your account, and your life

>>88036663
1 trans kid is already testing my suspension of disbelief (let alone 3 gay ones). I think another trans kid would make me drop this and go back to /a/ stuff, because at that point, it would be clear that this is a panderfest that's lost all sight of what it was.

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>>88036711
You want me to go away because i'm stating the truth, and it hurts.

>>88027413
Nah. That won't happen for at least until what should be next chapter.

>>88036721
I'm holding to the notion that nothing in-comic has been revealed about "they". Perhaps it's just straight as an arrow and we just don't know.

>>88028936
We saw his dad in Day and Zarei's conversation. That's just a Consortium member.

>>88035738
>It says "eschews the gender binary" so its not like the character is getting surgery or some shit.
That's even crazier. So a kid suddenly denies their 23rd chromosome row based on a delusional whim.

>inb4 can't know you're gay by 15
Being gay is one thing. Especially at middle school, when hormones start kicking in and you notice that you keep getting stiffies in the showers with all the other boys. That's something physical. What could possibly drive a middle school child to adhere to such tumblr crap except for following a fad?

>>88036872
I'm willing to believe that the whole "gender binary" comment was a joke and that RJ is just that one weird kid that no one knows if they are a boy or girl that shows up in comics a lot.

>>88030652
The one where Max rides back home.

I think I love Ed

>>88036679
Welcome to the Current Year, fâm.

>>88036542
Oh ok, these ones. I actually went back to that page while waiting for your answer, and I was ready to tell you it's nitpicking, but then I saw your reply, checked his tweets, and what the fuck Zack. Also that means we're getting more gay stuff ? I hope Zack will at least learn to introduce it with more finesse than before. Though I doubt it. Thanks for pointing me to that.

>>88036885
Believe it or not, trans and non-binary people exist outside of trends, and it's usually something they recognize by their own feelings. If RJ feels non-binary, that's the way it is. I doubt they'd actually use the term, but it wouldn't be something you'd have to reach sexual maturity to recognize within you.
As for denying chromosomes and delusion, that's hardly related because gender isn't sex.

>>88036885
GD is common in young children because its not biologocal. Inbfact after puberty many become comfortable with their bodies. GD can occur in children from pure imitation of arbitrary roles. When told they cant do superficial things because of their physical body, then begins a crisis of gender identity.
Young children are easy to mess with. Simply by telling a child they've been physically abused they will believe it their entire lives.

>>88037076
Preteens aren't anywhere near sexually mature. They have barely started puberty.

>>88036612
Wasn't the "Cody is gay" the reason Zack shut down the comments section permanently?

>>88037071
I won't be That mad if it's just background; it's at least something we can ignore. But the next time he turns a main kid character homo there will be a shitstorm i'm looking at you, Ed

>>88034066
I fucking love these oversaturated colours

>>88037118
No it was being unable to fix an exploit where people posted from the future

>>88037118
No; the reason he shut down the comment section was people talking in future strips, something that was actually hurting the community on the site. I don't blame him for that one. No one was being angry or anything with the Cody thing, people just went "wait, what?"

>>88037129
I was thinking more about Cody
Either way I smell disappointment.

>>88037096
Yes, and as I said, you don't have to reach sexual maturity. What's your point?

So I just went back to the bar scene with the lesbo kids. I honestly thought that was just a throwaway joke, not a serious thing. These are fucking 11 and 12 year olds. Has this guy met a realpreteen in his life?

>>88037170
So you're saying people can make decisions about sexuality without even being sexualy mature? I'm sorry, but that just sounds stupid to me. I wouldn't bat my eye at the stuff going on in this comic if the characters were a bit older and in high school, but middle schoolers doing this stuff is stupid and unrealistic.

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>>88033636
I think it might have to do with the whole "screens are killing artists' eyeballs" thing a few months ago.

>>88034066
>>88034917
Nice work.

These kids should act their age quite honestly. I liked the bit where the MC was about to cry from the pain of being hit with the dodgeball because that's what you'd expect from a kid his age, but these other kids with their sexualities should be so far in the closet about them that they are in Narnia.

>>88037343
>I liked the bit where the MC was about to cry from the pain of being hit with the dodgeball because that's what you'd expect from a kid his age
What? I'm sure nearly anyone would cry with the amount of force was thrown from that ball.

And the only kids who act their age are probably Jeff and Violet. Mayview is a weird town with a ton of freaks.

>>88037343
>These kids should act their age quite honestly.
What does a liberal dude in his 20s know about how kids really act?

>>88034917
This is a better edit, IMO. Outlines are more distinguishable, colours stand out more.

>>88036199
>>88036243
Meanwhile I'm just here wondering how much further Zack is pushing while he tries to keep it PG. Especially as he's planning to publish a book version of it...

>>88036487
I like to think that somehow he follows CNN (because he drew Suzy as Wolf Blitzer that one time)...

>>88037608
If he follows CNN, with Hillary losing and 4chan being blamed for being a small part of that on the initial reporting of the election results, Hack might might go over the cliff out of spite.

There is nothing wrong with sexualizing Cody

I'm going to ignore the post above mine and I hope everyone else is smart enough not to take the bait.

>>88037343
>these other kids with their sexualities should be so far in the closet
Bruh it's not like everyone lives in Bumfuck Alabama, sexualities not being a giant stigma isn't limited to San Francisco anymore.

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>>88037697
>Zack gets mad at 4chan again because Trump won
>decides to pander even more to LGBTQWERJ
>his comic becomes dedicated completely to assblast 4chan
>he loses all of his support, but doesn't even care
>now he just thinks of vengeance, all the jokes in his comic are now Assigned male tier

>>88037790
Have you ever been to middle school in your life?

>>88037212
non-binary has nothing to do with sexuality. Also sexuality is based on attraction, so sexual maturity doesn't matter. A kid can be gay if he likes boys.

>>88037608
>Meanwhile I'm just here wondering how much further Zack is pushing while he tries to keep it PG.
He shot himself in the foot the moment he decided to do that, plus include liberal rethoric about sexuality and social roles, PLUS refrain from introducing any serious shipping.

i.e. the moment he decided to make the comic.

>>88037816
Yes, ten years ago, which is exactly the point, things change in ten years.

>>88037882
Nothing has changed.
t. has siblings in middle school and lives in the NY tristate area

>>88037790
Not him, but we're not talking about mature adults. We're talking about kids, and all of them being completely okay with it is just fairy land tier.
Worst is the kid himself being completely open about it. It's hard even for adults to accept this kind of thing, so you need a lot more development when it comes ti kids. I'm not saying Zack shouldn't have done that, but it's not the kind of thing that you just throw like that. It changes the character too much to be treated the same as the preference for the kind of ice cream he likes

>>88037934
If he wanted to have gays and trannies everywhere, he only had to age up the characters by a few years. This is hack writing tbqh.

>>88037934
>>88038003

I'm not sure Zack cares about that. If you show kids being gay and cool, and their classmates being cool with them being gay, it's positive. Paranatural isn't a serious comic, so he's not gonna go in depth about the troubles and trials of a gay kid in middle school. He just puts the kids in, and collects his likes on social media. It doesn't make sense if you compare to real world situations, but then again spirits and ghosts aren't real, it's not meant to be realistic.

>>88038003
If it was well develop i wouldn't really mind, even considering their age (despite being better to work with teenagers/adults), but i fear it would take too much in a story that is already full of subplots.

>>88038062
There are only so many gay and transexual kids you can cram into one comic before suspension of disbelief is broken. If he'd rather replace substance with pandering to the tumblr crowd, that's his business though.

>>88033636
They're the same colors

>>88034066
Looks like shit and you should feel bad

>>88034917
This one looks good.

>>88034315
One it's not transexual it's just nonbinary. Two why the fuck would that matter at all.

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>>88037697
>>88037608
>>88037805
Dang it, I was just joking about the CNN-fag thing...

>>88037805
Speaking as a non-American, methinks 4chan didn't really have an effect on the election anyway. The fat was already smoking when the final presidential candidates were announced from the primaries. Both most unfavourable no less, it was now about picking the person they're most tolerable with.

That said, I personally think Trump's office wouldn't really last for long when he keeps shooting himself in the foot with his cabinet choices, awful temperament, interest conflicts and infighting with his own party. Pence's the real deal here.

>>88038293
I hate pandering of any kind, whether it's for the tumblr audience or the /pol/ audience. It's proof that the writer can't attract an audience without cramming his story with gold covered shit. All the space that was used to pander could have been used for character or plot development.

>>88036663
>depends if Suzy is confirmed
What the fuck. This literally wasn't hinted at even a little bit.

>>88038343
>Trump's office wouldn't really last for long
And who's gonna stop him? Nobody talks about his politics, everybody is simply outraged about his latest tweets.

>>88038393
It's the current year, man. Why're you being such a sh*tlord? :^)))

>>88037343
Characters in this comic aren't realistic. At all.

>>88037934
You're right it is fairy land. This is not real life. It's an idealized happy comic where kids can fight monsters but aren't in real danger.

>>88038488
Tell that to my nigga Eightfold. Yes he was no kid, but damn.

>>88037928
Nah stuff changed. Maybe you're the one who forgot just how much worse it used to be by comparison.

>>88037934
>Not him, but we're not talking about mature adults. We're talking about kids
Yes, so am I.

>>88038488
If he's not gonna have them act their age, why bother making them kids at all? It would be far easier for him to have an all teen or college kid cast if he wants to get on a soap box and preach.

>>88038354
So if Zack were nonbinary himself or totally believed in nonbinary and he included it would you still call it pandering? Yes you would because you think that real people don't actually think these things. You think it's all tumblr which is a nebulous faceless mast of shitposting.

>>88038557
Yeah it used to be worse, but middle schoolers still don't go out and fag it up without severe bullying 24/7.

>>88038559
He's not preaching at all. Nothing about the comic is preachy. The existence of lesbians or a nonbinary character that has never been mentioned as nonbinary in the comic is not preachy. And he made them kids because it's his comic where he is allowed to do whatever he wants.

>>88038551
>Eightfold
Who? Even Isabel forgot about her within 5 pages.

>>88038600
Yes it is pandering because our "nonbinary" character is 12 fucking years old. As I've said earlier in this thread, had the characters been just a few years older, I wouldn't really bat an eye at this. I'm sure people out there believe in this wholeheartedly, but scientifically, there is no proof so as far as I'm concerned, they're wrong.

>>88038640
It's not preachy yet, but as he said himself, he wants to make this comic "unpalatable" to 4chan. This means he'll just go further and further with this until the comic is totally unrecognizable from what it started as. And sure, he can do whatever he wants, but he'll get criticized for it. Doing what you want isn't a valid shield from criticism.

>>88038718
>he wants to make this comic "unpalatable" to 4chan.
But he doesn't. >>88036273

>>88038663
Gender disphoria is not a thing that just appears at a certain age. It absolutely can happen in kids of all ages. Little girls can want to be boys or the other way around. It's not even uncommon. Scientifically there's tons of proof because feeling a certain way has little to do with biology.

>>88038718
Don't talk about this like you've been here the whole time. A year or whatever ago when he made those tweets everyone was talking about it, you've only gotten into the conversation late and it's mostly passed.

>>88038453
Didn't some of the Rep candidates stated their regret for endorsing Trump or something in the second phase in the election? Wouldn't that dissatisfaction snowball from there? I'm probably missing a lot out here.

>Nobody talks about his politics, everybody is simply outraged about his latest tweets.
A sad truth, I know. Reaction will be when it hits them personally.

Nevertheless, I'm really sorry for you guys having such a divisive outcome out of this. While we're just outside the fence observing the massive crap fest and preparing ourselves for the spillover...

Was Zach's announcement the worst thing the happen to Parantural threads?
Yes.

>>88038777
That image clearly says he does

>>88038783
Paranoid people feel that they are being watched and plotted against, but this doesn't mean that it's real. It only means that they have a mental illness that needs to be treated, not enabled. Now I'm not denying, gender dysphoria exists, because it does and is rightfully classified as a mental illness. What I'm talking about is this whole "non-binary" rubbish you're going on about and the total lack of credible scientific evidence saying it exists.

>>88038343
>he fell for the temperament meme
His cabinet and transition team choices are good and the reps will go with him since he won them both Houses.

>>88038892
Yup. We've never recovered. Because of it people are quick to be more negative towards pages even when it's not really founded.

>>88038940
Your arguments are stupid and this is really not the place for them. I'm not going to argue with you whether or not nonbinary should exist or not, I'm just telling you that kids can be it. And it will be an accepted gender eventually.

>>88038783
Changing himself to be unpalatable to 4chan means that eventually, this will leak into his writing. If you say that a person's personality and lifestyle has no effect on their writing and art, you're BSing.

>>88038989
>your arguments are stupid
>can't bring up a single (1) credible scientific source proving it exists
Now you're just shitposting.

>>88038940
>and is rightfully classified as a mental illness.
It has not been classified as an illness for over a year, because its classification as an illness was not scientifically supported in the first place.

>>88038940
Whether the science is sound or not doesnt matter as long as it fits the agenda. Since the 60s it was argued to just push it anyway and hope that the science would come eventually. For example, the concept of gender being separate comes from a the psychotic hack John Money.

>>88039087
I'm not arguing if it exists or not, but the nonbinary gender which some people think exists is totally a thing that kids can be. And that's all that matters. It doesn't matter if you think it's real or not.

>>88039213
>For example, the concept of gender being separate comes from a the psychotic hack John Money.
It came from many older cultures, John Money simply popularized it recently in the United States.

>>88039156
>recently changed after social pressure and not real evidence
Oh sorry, I meant "disorder".

>>88039224
It don't think it isn't real, I know it isn't real and can back it up with credible, cited scientific research. That's more than I can say for you and sufferers of the nonbinary gender disorder.

>>88038488
>aren't in real danger
>Max literally got his arm broken
Also, the argument that "it's a world different than ours" just doesn't work. We always assume whatever is not taken down is just like reality since the setting is indeed just like our own. You don't assume the adults are all lizzardmen, so why would you assume they are all respectful towards homosexuals even tough that doesn't happen in the real world?

>>88039267
It's not classified as a disorder either.

Look, the least you could do is actually educate yourself on the science before lecturing to other people about science. You're literally only impressing people who don't know better.

>>88039257
Such as what

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>>88039213
God if anyone can be called a mad scientist, it's Money.

>>88039342
Yes it is. I'm looking through google and the only stuff saying it isn't a disorder is people bitching that it shouldn't be called one. I actually work in the medical field and I'm studying medicine right now, so kindly bugger off.

>>88039326
It doesn't matter. That argument has no bearing on this story.

>>88039338
Not entirely true. We assume that it is Earth, yes, but only so far as that it will have concepts and locations that we know from our Earth. We know our Earth doesn't have spirits in it, there are no spectrals or ghosts, but it makes sense because we know this is one of the differences this fictional portrayal of Earth has. Simply think of gender acceptance as a fact of this world as you do spirits. It's not a harder concept.

>>88038989
>And it will be an accepted gender eventually.
Not him, but you lost. You just lost with this statement right here.

>>88038957
I don't think half of the US would rest easy with them though, even if those policies do benefit them. Because socio-economical gaps and the like. Ah well, at least they know how constant hell in other countries like mine feel like.

>>88039267
It was changed form disorder to dysphoria.
>>88039342
Dont pretend like there isnt controversy over changes in the DSM V, or that the DSM is perfect in any way. Some of it is arbitrary or has little scientific basis, especially parts influenced by psychoanalysis like personality disorders, and theyre slow at accepting behavioral genetics.

>>88039354
India. Native Americans. A couple Arab countries let girls effectively become male soldiers with wives and the such if they're tough enough. Several smaller tribes here and there. Not exactly widespread Roman empire shit but the point isn't that it's an inherent part of the human experience or whatever, the point I'm making is that it predates John Money by quite a lot and thinking otherwise just exposes your ignorance on the subject when you're trying to sound smart by namedropping whatever New Zealander got a book written in English.

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>>88038989
Man.. hear me out: if i think i'm a bear, should i be classified as such?

honest question, please answer.

>>88039542
You don't understand. Whether or not you should or even if I think you should does not matter even a little bit to this story.

>>88039507
>Dont pretend like there isnt controversy over changes in the DSM V, or that the DSM is perfect in any way.
All I said is that anon's claim about classification is wrong, which it is. He was trying to appeal to an authority when that authority hasn't backed him up for a long time.

If he has another argument he's welcome to it but that one's just a dead end that only uneducated idiots who hasn't read a contemporary medical journal in their life would be convinced by.

>>88039489
>Simply think of gender acceptance as a fact of this world as you do spirits
for that to work the topic would need to be discussed, as in "all the goddamn planet think this is normal", because until then this school is just very different from the entire planet.

Zack could make that, of course. It would just be a shit story and go too much into fantasy. Also, you shouldn't assume that "because people didn't say anything, this means they are okay with it".

>>88039574
>Whether or not you should or even if I think you should does not matter even a little bit to this story
So what you're saying is that "they will be considered a new gender, despite what we think".

>>88039654
No that's not true. You can assume that it's just this school or even just Johnny's crew that is accepting, or that it's the whole world. Neither of these are farfetched assumptions based on what we've seen. And to say that in a world with magic that people are okay with nonbinary genders is too far into fantasy is simply ludicrous.

>>88039703
No. I'm saying that what you think applies to the real world doesn't apply to this comic.

>>88039338
The argument does work though. Because it's not the real world. It's a webcomic world, with ghosts, spectrals, spirits, a fucking magical barrier around the city and weird shit at every corner.
If Zack wants to put flying crocodiles and declare those are real animals that everyone can see and interact with he'll do it. Would it be silly and not credible? Yes. Can he make those anyway? Yes. Gay kids being wildly accepted falls in the same category. Is it realistic? Not really. Is it that way in the comic? As long as he doesn't do a story arc where they're bullied and treated like shit, it is. After that, it all comes down to your opinion on him putting that in.

Z/hack shouldve added more diversity to the kids instead of introducing more adults. Of Johnny's gang all of them are white, couldnt even make R.J.'s hands shadowy.

>>88039895
Oh shush, anon. He already apologized for making most of the cast white and thin.

>>88039895
That would mean adding more kids into the story where they don't fit. Zack's already introduced all the kids or at least most of them. He probably wishes he didn't but he made pretty much all of them white, can't change it now. But there are still adult characters that he has or had yet to introduce.

>>88039889
This is the argument only the dumbest of people who know nothing whatsoever about writing make. When you write fantasy, you can have fantastic, impossible shit, but you have to lay down the rules and make it plausible within the setting you have created.

>>88039781
>You can assume that it's just this school or even just Johnny's crew that is accepting
My point is that this would be too different to the rest of the planet, which would create a 'fairy land' feel about the place. And again, this topic would need to be actually stated. For now we just know that Cody and some other students are unaturally open about their sexuality. That's why stating what they're actually feeling is important.

>Neither of these are farfetched assumptions based on what we've seen
I take issue with "making assumptions". Your biggest assumption should be that the entire world is just like ours and that a kid being open about his sexuality should be strange. Isn't it a lot more likely that it is just like reality and Cody/those cases are the weird ones?

>>88039815
You should see the other conversation i'm having, but basically: yes, we always assume the real world applies until stated otherwise.

>>88039982
Kids should be thin though. What year does this take place in? Didnt he retcon it from 2001 to 201X? With Michelle's lunches these kids should be healthy.

>>88040010
>but you have to lay down the rules and make it plausible within the setting you have created.
Which he has done with RJ. You're the only one who knows nothing. This is a world where RJ is accepted. That's a rule and it was set up when they were introduced. Just because you have a problem reconciling that fact when you had no problem reconciling that spirits exist in the setting is your fault.

>>88040063
>would be too different to the rest of the planet
Not really. Even in super conservative places like the middle east, to say that they accept gays and shit while not realistic, isn't hard to imagine. It doesn't make any society fall apart and very little is actually changed.

>Isn't it a lot more likely that it is just like reality and Cody/those cases are the weird ones?
Not really. Judging from dialogue and context clues nobody even bats an eye at gays. You can assume what you assume about the rest of the world sure but I don't think it's founded given what we've seen. Both of those posts are me.

>>88039889
>If Zack wants to put flying crocodiles and declare those are real animals that everyone can see and interact with he'll do it
but if he DOESN'T declare that, they don't exist. That's my point. Nowhere Zack said gay kids are widely accepted, that's the problem. Cody is unaturally open to his sexuality, as the story is right now.

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>>88039895
>>88039982
>>88039995
And now Mina and Day are part of the main cast.

>>88040216
You're going to have to use context clues. Things can be shown and not told. From what we've seen it makes more sense that everyone is cool with gays than this is just a super accepting enclave.

>>88040216
>Nowhere Zack said gay kids are widely accepted, that's the problem.
We see the kids being gay in public without anyone batting an eye.

We see it, by looking at the panels, and watching it happen, on the page, in front of you.

>>88040205
>Even in super conservative places like the middle east
Well, most of the Middle East and surrounding areas at least. I've heard Iran has a thriving gay community despite official positions on the matter.

>>88040010
>This is the argument only the dumbest of people who know nothing whatsoever about writing make
And this is the argument of the dude whose quickly running out of arguments. Also, of the one who clearly hasn't read his share of fantasy works. There's no rule about gay kids having to be bullied at all cost. If Zack wants them to be accepted by others, he'll do it. He already did it seems. I'm not exactly fond of RJ's description on the page cast cause it's hamfisted, I don't like the PoC lesbian couple outta nowhere cause it's hamfisted too. I don't think kids would be openly gay like that, but if he decided it would be the case, then it is. No matter how badly written or shoved in the reader's face it gets.
>>88040216
He didn't mentioned anything against that either. It's his world, he makes the rules.
>Cody is unaturally open to his sexuality, as the story is right now
Yes, but it's how the author decided it should be, for better or for worse.

>>88040093
Nowhere is it established that this is any different from our world other than the fantastical elements introduced that make up the premise of this comic.
It's like if Max's dad just started walking on water in a strip and no one reacted to it ever. Do we just assume the basic laws of physics is completely different in this world? Can we just explain it away because "lol theres spectrals aint gotta explain shit"? There needs to be internal consistency.
Reminder, the term is a WILLING suspension of disbelief.

>>88040401
I would be very skeptical about such a thing thriving in a place like that but I'm sure there is one.

>>88040205
>Even in super conservative places like the middle east, to say that they accept gays and shit while not realistic, isn't hard to imagine
It is actually a good stretch of reality. Look, if it was adults dealing with those kids i could understand, but kids and bullying are bound to each other. Hell; Zack made sure to actually put bullies in his school. And now you're telling me it's perfectly rationaly that they don't bully the gay kid and this doesn't even need to be EXPLAINED, that's fairy land. It's just too weird. If Zack actually stated that they know and respect Cody for a long time.. or something like that, i would be okay with him being so open. But this just looks weird without this kind of reasoning.

>Judging from dialogue and context clues nobody even bats an eye at gays
judging by dialogue and context no one knows they are gay, despite Cody not even trying to hide it. Hell, even if they know about it, we don't know what they think about it because Zack doesn't bother to explain, probably because he doesn't care about going deeper than "look, he is gay".

Can't we all just get along?

>>88040401
You must have a very loose definition of "thriving". It's hidden, it's surviving, but then for the most part thats how its always been. Most of it is MSM though.

>>88040572
You're arguing that Johnny should call Dimitri a nigger or something because Johnny, as a bully, should go after any kid who's different in any way. That's not going to happen and you don't expect it to, so extend that to gays. It's really not hard to imagine. It doesn't look weird. Johnny doesn't even like Cody he just doesn't care that he's gay.

>judging by dialogue and context no one knows they are gay
What are you even talking about. Zack doesn't need to explain because you should have read his comic in which it's pretty clear what's going on.

>>88040576
No. Never. Fuck you.

>>88040576
He never said this

>>88040291
>You're going to have to use context clues. Things can be shown and not told
That's.. highly subjective. From what i've seen not many people even know they are.

>>88040305
>We see the kids being gay in public without anyone batting an eye
we see one group of people being "okay with it", which is not as much 'okay' as it is "i'm more interested in this game that is going on". I'm not talking about some sort of joke, but actual characters knowing openly about it and being cool with that.

>>88040423
>He didn't mentioned anything against that either
However, as i said, we always assume the rest is like earth; Max needs to breath and eat, he has a heart, he is human, despite nothing of that being directly stated.

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>>88040572
Johnny is a closet homo and his best friend is a tranny. He probably "bullies" Cody.

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>>88030652
These two easily

>>88040696
Racism is something of the past right now, but my point is that Cody should be more insecure about it. Let's say you're gay, and you know there is high prejudice against homosexuals in general; it COULD happen that everyone you meet will be cool after knowing that, but it could be that they're not.

My point is not that Johnny should bully him, but that Cody should be afraid something like that would happen.

>Zack doesn't need to explain because you should have read his comic in which it's pretty clear what's going on
We know that Cody told his friend that he thinks another guy likes him, and that two lesbos had a date, and some other background lesbos were playing cards.

>>88040783
>From what i've seen not many people even know they are.
Are you talking about in the comic or in real life? If you mean in the comic it should be clear that Cody doesn't care if he acts gay. I guess if you want to think of it that way, you can say that hitball was the first time he's ever acted gay and nobody knows he's gay but come on. If you mean outside the comic, I'll argue it's pretty fucking clear and I will call people who have to ask if he was acting gay that one time stupid but there seem to be a lot of people who didn't get the hint.

>We see one group of people
>i'm more interested in this game that is going on
You're really stretching, dude. It's clear it's no big deal and that's not because of the game. Yes it's no big deal within this group but it's pretty clear nobody cares about gays. You can even use out of comic clues like stuff Zack says on twitter and it makes it pretty clear. I think a lot of this is just a problem with how you want to read it.

>>88040783
>we always assume the rest is like earth
Yes, but if the author wants to change earth's paramaters randomly, reveal that Max lives without internal organs or push his own narrative on issues like gay kids, he's gonna do it anyway. It feels "off" and odd and maybe disgusting or wrong to you, me and others, but that's the way it is. His story, he decides what's in, no matter how weird and not realistic it is, even on what's taken for granted, such as Max needing to eat or gay kids not outing themselves like flamboyant fags without getting a beating in return.

>>88040866
Pls, Johnny is in a platonic relationship with Ollie.

>>88041033
>Let's say you're gay, and you know there is high prejudice against homosexuals in general
So there you go. More evidence that there's no prejudice against homosexuals. Cody has no reason to hide it.

>>88040925
Man, that art style was so vibrant. Imperfect, but very attractive.

>>88041076
>Are you talking about in the comic or in real life
comic

>it should be clear that Cody doesn't care if he acts gay
true (that's the issue), but no one has really seen it except for his friend. We can't just assume everyone is okay with it (which would give him a reason to act that way), and it would actually be a GOOD thing to explain it.
Would you rather have Cody just acting gay all the time with no one to notice, or get an explanation as to why they allow it?

> It's clear it's no big deal
Not only Zack used them more as a joke (the pose they were in), most people wouldn't suddenly think of lesbos. More than once i saw girls jokingly like that, actually (sitting on the lap position). The fact it is background characters leaves it really obscure, and most likely closed to that group.

>You can even use out of comic clues like stuff Zack says on twitter
No, that definitely you can't use. Word of the creator does not affect canon. If zack said tomorrow that Max is a girl it doesn't change what is written in the comic.

>I think a lot of this is just a problem with how you want to read it
i want to read it like reality, the thing we should assume first.

>>88041133
>>88041033
But what purpose does this fantasy world of full acceptance serve? Why have a gay islamic woman of color and portray it as easy and completely normal in this world? It seems shallow, like their only purpose is for the sake of diversity points.
Black people of course are way more common than either of those groups but in American comics and shows from before the 80s that took place in a in a contemporary setting you couldn't include a black person and completely ignore the racial element of the time.

>>88041110
>if the author wants to change earth's paramaters randomly, reveal that Max lives without internal organs or push his own narrative on issues like gay kids, he's gonna do it anyway
yes, i'm cool with that, but he shouldn't do it in half. You're gonna reveal that the kid is gay? okay. Why is he so open about it? why is there no one even talking about it? is the whole world so open like that? he can't leave all that without answers, or he is not doing a gay reveal properly.

>>88041133
>More evidence that there's no prejudice against homosexuals. Cody has no reason to hide it
That's not how it works. It's not because Cody is open about it that the entire world Zack made is prejudice-free, that's just an assumption you cannot make. You don't even know if it is just the school or not, you see? That's the issue. If Cody is going to act like he is safe, you should explain why. Is he just confident in his strength? he knows his friends well enough to be confident? or is the entire planet actually prejudice-free? we must know.

Was I the only one hoping Max's mom would be black. Max could pass before they redesign.

>>88041618
>It seems shallow, like their only purpose is for the sake of diversity points.
Yeah, basically this. If he actually explains (even if badly), i could accept it. But he didn't even bother.

>>88041777
Checked. But I doubt that. Theres gotta be a tweet that explains it but I dont read twitter so I wouldnt know.

>>88041618
1. Islamic pretty much means they're going to be a woman of color so that's redundant
2. It's not a fucking big deal. Most people reading will have no problem that gays are accepted because it doesn't fucking matter at all. You're hung up on something that doesn't matter at all. They're gay. Get over it. And it's not like Muslims are uncommon. I'm tired of arguing this shit.

>>88041765
What. When does Max ever look even half black?

>>88041720
Like many people who want to engage into those issues in their works, Zack doesn't seem to realize that you need these world building/character building elements to be established at some point. The lack of subtlety is baffling here. It's just lazily shoehorned into the story, and it feels wrong. Now, having the talent to seamlessly blend everything together isn't given to everyone, but this is the opposite, and in the same vein, not everyone can throw reveals and character traits without announcing them beforehand and manage to do it right. Zack definitely doesn't.

>>88041847
>it doesn't fucking matter at all
Not if you want a bland character instead of actually explaining how his traits will affect him. Something as small as the color of your skin could change your group of friends, or even where you live. It's what makes a character interesting. Instead of just being the gay kid that just doesn't make sense to exist on that planet, that could be a plot point of his character; a reason for insecurity, a secret he only tells his best friends, or even to show how much he trusts people around him.

>Islamic pretty much means they're going to be a woman of color so that's redundant
however his main point stands, by her own religion she should be killed for being gay.

>>88041973
Yeah but that's not important in this story. Yeah being gay can influence who you are but it doesn't have to and I hate it when people try to make characters totally dependent on their race. And it's not like Cody makes any less sense than any other characters. I don't expect Dimitri to have a chapter where he's like "Oh no, before being black was hard enough but now I have to deal with ghosts and shit!" That's stupid. And gayness is the same way.

And Muslims don't kill gay people. They do in some places but that does not come with the religion. Fuck.

>>88041910
5 years ago

>>88042099
Max always looks white. I don't know how you can envision him as half black. Is it the hair?

ITT (and every Paranatural thread inevitably): People getting butthurt over shit that is completely irrelevant to the plot

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>>88040226
>That one demanding reader who won't chill that their plot ideas aren't in the comic until Zack takes them in

>Zack not having strong faith in his own work that he lets readers freely check it for them, even to throwing new ideas in recklessly no matter how flimsy / flawed they are

Wow.

>>88041973
You're not any degree of expert on fiqh.

>>88042336
It's been a thing for a while now.

>>88042069
>that's not important in this story
It's important to develop characters, but true that it doesn't need to be homosexuality, and that it's not involved in the main plot. However, why state that he is gay then? why say it if you're not going to use it? i'm not saying we should get something like the lesbo duo.. but 1-2 pages of insight on the matter won't hurt. Some characters can be fully explained in one page. Hell, one of the coolest pages in pnat is the one with the cellphone of the kids, telling so much about their background in a way so simple. True that we don't need Dimitri going full Black lives matter, but showing where he lives, his family, or his group of friends might impact how we see Dimitri; might make him more interesting. If his family is rich, for example, that contrasts with what you would normally expect of a black person and make him an interesting character. It doesn't need to be big, just deep.

>They do in some places but that does not come with the religion
Well, it's technically written in the book. Let's just say it's weird to follow a religion that is against you.

>You're not allowed to put this kind of character in your story reeeeeeeee

>>88042395
Why should a character's sexuality BE a main plot point? Why does it have to be important?

>>88042370
what if it was his intention the whole time?
That screenshot only proves that he had intentions of introducing more minority characters, not that he was doing it to cater to a fan(s).

>>88042395
>why state that he is gay then?
Why not. You can state a character as straight so why not gay. And I know you're going to say being straight is normal and expected but that's stupid. If you can be straight and not have it as a plot point you can be gay.

>>88042429
A lot of arguments I have on 4chan are boiling down to this. People really have a problem with people being outside of their idea of normal.

>>88042429
>I am entitled to have what I want and none of what I don't roooooooooooo

>>88022543
You can't spell Unleashed Nerd Rage... without ED.

>>88042463
not "a main plot point", but a subplot about that character development. And as i said, why should even be stated at all if you're not going to use it? it literally just take space.

I'm not even claiming it's wrong, you're just using much less of something that could be big, and making this character look plain. Hell, even Ed liking Isabel was used as a plot. Why not develop it like you would do with a straight character?

>>88042497
Why even talk about it at all unless it's explicitly relevant to the plot? Comic pages are prime real estate, and they (especially webcomics) exist differently from something like a novel or a movie where the information you gain is self-contained. If you want to learn more about a character you like you can read their bio on the cast page. Shoehorning in sexuality, especially in the case of Paranatural, would not only be irrelevant to the plot but would trigger people even more violently.

To go on a bit further, take Dumbledore for example. It wasn't relevant that he was gay so it was never mentioned, one has to use paratextual information (word of god in this case, a cast page in a webcomic's case) to get that information, which exists to enrich a fan's experience.

>>88042497
>You can state a character as straight so why not gay
Every time a character was stated or shown to be straight in this comic, it served a purpose. Ed liked Isabel, for example, and that is a plot point now.

So the answer is: yes, even stating a character to be straight should have some use. Hell, start to name straight characters and think on the time that we found out they were straight. What were they doing? was it interesting? Tony Stark, for example, screams of straight, and that's what makes him interesting.

>>88042677
Because you can have something in a comic or work of fiction and have it not have any relation to anything else and it's fine. A simple mention ins't going to bring the pacing to a halt. Just because Dumbledore was never states as gay in the story doesn't mean that's the only way you can do it and Harry Potter doesn't even have good writing. The only people being triggered are retards who can't stand a single gay or whatever character and treat it like it's pandering and the end of the world.

>>88042336
We already complain about the pacing and dozens of random plot threads. How long has it been since Max and Isaac's big fight?

>>88042744
>Ed liked Isabel
You're not even right about that. Ed isn't in love with Isabel she's just his best friend. Christ.

>>88042761
Not him, but aren't you treating sexuality in a "i like ice cream" logic? it should have a different weight than just stating what you like.

>>88042796
It can or can't. If a character in something says "that girl has a nice ass" it doesn't have to be a deep insight into how straightness effects their character and the entire world. There's no one way to wright shit.

>>88042791
>Ed isn't in love with Isabel
they literally held hands. Isabel is clearly special to him.

>>88042677
Dumbledore being confirmed gay outside the book was pure pandering, much worse than Zack confirming it outside the comic because we at least had a line showing how he felt in the work.

>>88042826
>If a character in something says "that girl has a nice ass" it doesn't have to be a deep insight into how straightness effects their character
if a character states that.. this actually says a lot about him. That shows that he is very.. open about it, or that he is trying to be an alpha. And i must say, makes the character quite interesting (that kind of statement is why people liked Midnighter-- that gay anti-hero)

>>88042835
Yes. As a best friend.

>>88042905
Cool. So a guy who says "I think he likes me" says stuff about his character also.

>>88022543
I saw the panel and then spent the day reading the comic until that page and I like it

>>88042985
Leave the thread. Run before it's too late.

>>88041847

>most people reading will have no problem
Based on what evidence? Not everyone shares the same worldview as you, what you think isnt just common sense, how have you not realized this yet? The fact that this discussion comes up frequently is evidence that at least some people have a problem believing it.

>its not a big fucking deal
How sheltered are you? It is a big deal for a kid to be gay. Are you going to pretend gay kids arent ostracized now? It could be even worse since the setting seems to be about a decade ago. Also I didnt say that simply being a muslim was uncommon, but a muslim lesbian is a fucking extreme.

>>88042909
Goddamn it.

Anon, did a girl ever held hands with you? don't tell me you called her "your best friend".

>>88042931
Anything says stuff about his character. How much it says only depends on the writer's creativity. Even Cody exposing that he is gay on that situation could say something about him, it's just much less than it could.

>>88042791
>Ed isn't in love with Isabel
How low are you on the spectrum?

>>88043087
>Based on what evidence?
The evidence of most people who read the comic not expressing any problem with it. Or even complimenting it. A few people on 4chan is a very small amount.

It's not a big deal in the comic. As I have said many times before I'm not talking about the real world because it doesn't matter to the comic. I've known plenty of lesbian Muslims.

>>88043100
>>88043154
Zack has stated that he won't show romance between the kids and while he's clearly totally abandoned that idea, Ed is not in love with Isabel. She means a lot to him but it's not romantic love. They're basically brother and sister.

>>88043043
No please fill me in on the years of shitposting i missed out on

>>88043213
You just have to read the thread. It's all there. It's always there.

>>88042535
Wasn't always the case, at least not on /co/.
/co/ will never be love again

>>88043203
>while he's clearly totally abandoned that idea, Ed is not in love with Isabel
Answer the question, man. Did you, or did you not call her 'best friend'?

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>>88042429
>implying the problem isnt the kind of character being put there but how the character is put there
Why should I even bother. You probably believe the only reason people are complaining is because they're homophobic bigots who arent enlightened like you.
I guess thats the pro of these characters, you can deflect any criticism like that.
On the bright side maybe within a decade in Chapter 7 Isaac and Max will officially be an item.

>>88043337
>You probably believe the only reason people are complaining is because they're homophobic bigots who arent enlightened like you.
To be honest, lad, I think it's more to do with the tism.

>>88043159
>my worthless anecdotal evidence is better than your worthless anecdotal evidence
k

>>88043251
>scene mentions as a passing joke that muslim lady is gay
>bet /co/ had a hissy
>read thread
lmao it's why I waste my life here

>>88043380
Are you talking about the muslims? Because if you're talking about most readers not caring then go on tumblr or reddit where you will see far more readers than are here expressing their views.

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>>88042931
Different anon here. Contextually (see pic), even if I didn't know his sexuality (whatever Zack thinks is relevant in a kid's comic), I kinda saw that line indicating Cody being a gullible person. Like, really. Someone is really into you because he stared at you for a long time? Is this Twilight?

>>88043368
Ah, the everyone but me is an idiot argument. When you have nothing left you resort memes.

>>88043394
Jokes on you anon, my last straw was Agent Day going all blushy-blushy and chanting in text-speak!

>>88043581
yeah because she is honey potting

>>88033636
Hit ball was a come down off one of the worst colouring experiments he'd tried. Pastel is how it started and it works the best.

>>88043457
Normal people really don't give a fuck, sorry.