THE GREAT DEBATE

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>>88014918
That's literally the same woman with a different wig on.

>>88014940
Lavell, get off the computer

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Spider Ma'am

616 MJ, Ultimate Gwen.

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>>88014940

>>88014918
What debate?
The reasons behind Campbell's art being so shit?

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Chat

>>88015079
memes aside, she does look a bit like Sadie West

>>88014918
MJ wasn't created to be Peter's one true gal, she grew into it

Gwen was, but she was an unlikeable cunt

Aunt May.

How about the one that didn't have an affair and get pregnant by Norman Osborn.

>>88015455
>one true gal
MJ is trash.

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>>88015455
which is why Felicia is the one true choice

>>88014918
One sucked Norman's cock the other didn't, pretty easy debate 2bqh famalam.

>>88016207
Gwen is a slut. Just ask Norman

>>88016421
>>88014918
MJ is a model, she has taken more cock than your average prostitute. Period.

honestly peter should just bang another superhero
fuck all these boring girls

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>>88016371
THIS.
Until Pete hooks up with someone who can share every aspect of his whacko life he's just going to be giving his relationships a token effort at best.

>>88016586
Yes, but none of them were the Green fucking Goblin.

>>88016650
Remember when Peter wanted a normal life and MJ was a link to that mundanity which his responsibilities would never allow him?
Neither do I, good thing he's rich and drives flying cares living the bachelor life now

>>88016698
Maybe it would've worked if MJ was actually likeable.

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>>88016517
Riiiight, because Norman has such a firm grasp on the reality of things...

>>88016650
Isn't there a series coming out where MJ gets spider powers and OMD didn't happen?

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Place yo bets, niggas we doin' a straw poll over this shit

http://www.strawpoll.me/11757262

>>88016727
That's not true. You're just too young to have read M.J.'s likable scenes. They were both very sweet.

>>88014918
That third option chick that once got into Betty and Veronica's way-Oh.

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>>88016698
Fuck, I know I'm not supposed to shoot the messenger but I'm still angry at you.

>MJ is primarily drawn in her first appearance outfit
>Gwen is primarily drawn in her death outfit

>>88016681
jew cocks >> green ones

>>88014918
Why the heck is MJ standing like she's wearing heels?

>>88014918

I find it sad that guys nowadays feel they actually have to make a choice between two women.

>MJ
>supermodel who can have any guy who keeps going back to Peter
>only leaves him when she can't handle the superhero life anymore

>Gwen
>minor relationship
>cheats on him
>only dates him to begin with because he was the only guy not giving her attention
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>88017094
>supermodel who can have any guy who keeps going back to Peter
>canon inferiority complex
>daddy issues

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>>88015253

>>88016971
Why?
For reminding you?

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>>88017126
Well, every guy thinks they have a shot, anyway

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>Forgetting Spidey X pre-reboot Ms. Marvel

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>>88017310
But they're all lacking that ones special thing

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>>88017349
What was it again, I've almost remembered...

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>>88017391
Oh, right, spider-booty

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>>88014940
Once you go Black Cat, there's no going back.

The one that didn't have Norman Osborn's twins.

still canon

>>88017391
I want to protect that smile.

>>88017428
>>88017391
>>88017349
>MJfags tears are almost as good as libtards tears after Trump won the world
I forgot how based Marvel can be from time to time.

>>88017657
She's better off with Tony anyway.

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>>88017657
Only Pete can grab her pussy

Also, something something webcrawling powers don't let go something something punchline

>>88017474
>you will never get raped by felicia
why live

>>88014918
Childhood is when you like Mary Jane.
Adulthood is realizing Gwen makes more sense.

>>88016802
It's already out; Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows.

>>88018330
That's what I thought it was, wasn't sure since there was no mention of her having powers in the first issue.

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>>88017925

>>88018405
Will Felicia and Peter ever make up?

>>88018405
Did her ass break that wall?

>>88018474
Is that really so unbelievable?

>>88018474

black canary has a sonic scream

black cat has a sonic fart

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Felicia is sexy but she's not someone you'd settle with.

>>88018503
It's just ambiguously drawn. I'm a-ok with Felicia being able to do it, just don't make me question that was the intention.

>>88016650
She is a crime lord, and she doesn't even have guns

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>>88018573

>>88018630
Didn't she try to rob him during this too.

>>88016650
>My significant other has to be like me in every way

Uh no also the problem with Felicia is that she likes to steal shit and Peter was never OK with that aspect of her life, so outside of fucking it's not gonna happen.

>>88018573
She was when she grew up a little during Marvel Knights, but then OMD undid all that and she went back to being a one dimensional sex pot that only wants Peter because she likes fucking Spider-man.

>>88018672
>Black Cat
>Not stealing
I mean Black is even in her name

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>>88018573
>>88018630
what is the context of this

>>88018405
More?

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>>88017164

Chat is the fucking best

>>88018763
Daredevil and Black Cat hook up.
What do you think is happening?

>>88018705
OMD and lazy Marvel editors letting writers do whatever the fuck they want ruined every character.

That said I'm bored of Peter/Felicia, girl needs an upgrade.

>>88018763
Felicia was hired to get close to Daredevil to steal an important item that a bunch of crime organizations wanted, so she seduced him. But she also used it to get back at Spider-man who was trying to slow down their relationship. Win-win for her, Peter gets jealous despite turning her down earlier.

>>88018798
Did you not like her personality pre OMD? I thought she was a really good "female friend character" at the end there.

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>>88018763
It was a Daredevil/Spider-Man crossover during the time Waid was writing DD before Superior and before Dan Slott Slotted all over Felicia.

Daredevil and Felicia find each other attractive and they just go at it and Spidey feels bad.

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>>88014940

FPBP

>>88015455
>Gwen was, but she was an unlikeable cunt

I've heard this before, what exactly made her a cunt?

>>88018871
I was saying I liked her pre-OMD, but at this point Spider-Man is shit and I would be OK if she moved on from him (although not to Hellcat, please don't).

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>>88018902
fuck them then

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>>88018902

>>88019004
someone will fix things eventually.

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>>88018705

>Mark fucking Miller understands Felecia better than Slott does.

I really want you all to just let than sink in

>>88018795
I wish he could've stayed with her instead of going back to that piece of shit Mary Jane.

>>88019072
I don't even think he was with MJ in that continuity

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>>88019032

>>88014918
Fuck Felicia
Marry MJ
Kill Gwen

Is black cat still a crazy super villain? I thought she knew Peter was mind swapped with ock?

>>88019103

This is where Id wish he and Chat could hook up in 616 but then I realized that would only end in rage and sorrow

>>88019032

lmao no way this panel isn't edited

>>88019070
Mark Millar does good work the further you keep him away from gore, cursing, and nudity.

>>88018902
Matt has to fuck every woman he comes across, he's a slut.

>>88019142
I think she was told it was Ock but she said she didn't care because poor writing. Also I think someone said she's being redeemed a little in Silk.

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>>88019159
nope its real

>>88019159
It's real but strategically cropped.

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>>88018672
Yep

>>88019128
>Kill Gwen
Peter has already done all of those, though.

>>88019269
>Man that sex was good maybe I don't want to steal from him.

Can we get Felicia's older characterization back please?

>>88019269
good

>>88019466
She doesn't actually steal it. She leaves a note saying that she was paid to steal it but decided not to, and then she leaves town until everything calms down.

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> Have homework for an online class due
> see this thread
Get fucked hw I have some autists to argue with

>>88019128
To bad Norman beat you to the punch

>>88019506
ok cool

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Johnny Storm

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>>88016586
> he believes the mj is a slut meme

>>88019650
Damn right MJ is the best choice. Also fuck CEO Peter, more being best dad with MJ Peter thank you.

>>88014918
They're both bottom tier for dating a scumbag like Pete.

>>88019650

>Now let me trade my love for her and our daughter for an old woman who said she was at peace with dying and only ever wanted me to be happy.

I'm honestly split, who Peter's with tends to steer the tone of his entire book. Do you want a more down to earth guy dealing with his home issues and villains? Do you want a guy who bones superheroines around the globe. Do you want a family man raising a new hero? It's a linchpin of his entire character.

>>88019756
Hush, Jonah.

>>88019766
Jonah just thinks Pete's a lazy employee with a big lucky streak, though.

>>88016774

>He thinks Sins Past is Gobby remembering things wrong and not Straczynski losing his goddamn mind

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>>88019756

>>88019802
Straczynski wanted the kids to be Peter's but Joe Q was full on "we can't age Peter any more" and decided to have Gwen get fucked by Osborn instead so that Peter would be able to return to his one true love: Joe Q's daughter.

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>>88014940
>>88016371
>>88016650
>>88017474
>>88018573
>>88018992
>>88019032
>>88019070
> black cat
> caring for Peter

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>>88019869

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>>88019721
This

>>88014940
First post is always the best post

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I want catfags to leave. Your waifu is a second rate Catwoman and Peter deserves better

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>>88014940

There is no debate.

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>>88019977
I have no problem with Peter and MJ, but I've always been a fan of super hero couples and Black Cat filled that void in Peter's life. That being said, Renew Your Vows has been checking both boxes so far, so it's a win-win.

>>88017474
When did Tessa Fowler do this set?

>>88019815
>implying he's wrong
Peter Parker sold his marriage and unborn daughter to Mephisto, let's not forget.

>>88020083
Mephisto is not evil, just misunderstood. He seeks to unite his people, but lacks the power to do so.

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>>88020125
>Mephisto is not evil

>>88020125
As far as Pete knows Mephisto is effectively Satan. If someone sells their daughter to what they believe to be Satan but which turns out to only be Stalin they're still an objectively terrible father, husband and person.

Post Peter and Mary Jane love please

>>88020207
Kevin Nowlan?

>>88020263
Yeah, Dr. Strange & Dr. Doom: Triumph & Torment

>>88019869

Anybody have the panels of Felicia barfing after she finds out how old Peter is?

>>88020083
>unborn
You mean missing

>>88020125
And "his people" are (just like Mephisto) innately evil demons.

Mephisto isn't actually Satan, he's just a demon trying to BECOME Satan. Which is exactly 0% better better than being the actual Satan.

>>88020394
>demons are innately evil
Right, and angels are innately good and never fall ever

>>88014918
is that a question? obviously the barefoot one

>>88020059

> Oh look, it's Spider-man!
> With his new sidekick, an incredibly hot redhead. Like a supermodel, in fact.
> ... Aaaaand a daughter, who looks to be about gradeschool age and also a redhead.

And Peter Parker's identity is still supposed to be a secret. Uh-huh.

>>88020431
Yeah, that's fine and all, but Mephisto has ever been shown to want to be anything other than evil. He weaves bargains and ensnares the souls of mortals, and seems to enjoy every second of it, even acknowledging his evil nature >>88020207
If ever a demon was to redeem themselves and ascend to become something else, it would not be Mephisto.

>>88016650
>Black Cat
>canonically only interested in Spiderman, not Peter Parker
>share every aspect of his whacko life


Fucking shippers.

>>88020546
I love how easily you can spot people who don't read comics these days.

>>88020207
>Ultimate Evil
Yeah he wishes. Fucker just hangs around a chair talking shit like every other demon

>>88020581
Yeah, they ship Pete with Felicia.

>>88020496
If anything MJ's identity would be the one in question, there can't be those many hot red heads with that figure.

>>88020643
Every superhero has a redhead girlfriend

>>88020588
Dress for the job you want, not the one you have, anon.

>>88018278
>hollywood first true love
>adult

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> tfw there are people on this board who think mj is nothing more than a flirty model because they have not read ditkos run or mj's backstory

>>88020628
They also believe Felicia never had feelings for Peter Parker

>>88017164
I love Marvel Adventures stuff so much.

>>88020789
I had no idea MJ had a sister.

>>88020588
Are there any comic books about this?
A feudal kindoms at war version of hell where different devils have sections, forming and breaking alliances, and having the damned fight on in their names sounds cool.

>>88017126
Yeah, "Cop's Daughter" Gwen definitely doesn't have daddy issues.

>>88021032
It's referenced in quite a few issues of various series, from Thor to Wolverine to Ghost Rider.

>>88019069
Spider dick is her only hope

>>88020502
what's he do with those souls?

>>88021039
The sanctified version of Gwen that many people write and think of certainly doesn't.

>>88021032
It's usually brought up at different times regarding Illya when she goes to Hell/Limbo.

That dude that molested him as a child>MJ>Green Goblin dicksleeve

>>88019650
>>88019729
>mjfags BTFO to kingdom come and for all eternity

>>88021115
Uncle Ben?

>>88019869
Was her best moment after being raped?

>>88021160
No, Steven Westcott.

Uncle Ben was a tender lover and Peter would never characterize what they had as molestation.

>>88014940
FPBP

>>88019032

is that shopped?

>>88021190
No because that's a stupid moment in comics.

>>88021273
Read the thread, the full page is posted later.

>>88021214
>Look it up
>Its real
>Cant help but feel sad and laugh because his name was Skip

>>88019193
>>88019269

So was the daredevil dick enough to make black cat forget about spiderman?

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>>88019721
Johnny wants the spidey-dick so badly.

>>88021320
She and Peter haven't really fucked since, but that's been primarily Peter's fault.

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>>88019721
>>88019919
Why not sue

>>88016650
The only time this was done well was in a piece of what is essentially fan fiction where they gave her a lot of depth and allowed her flaws and his to develop a little throughout the story, which ended with them blooming into an actual relationship between Felicia and Peter, not just Black Cat and Spider-man.

>>88021457
It was done well in the first two and a half issues of the comic that picture was from. Then Kevin Smith had to ruin it like he ruins everything.

>>88017791
Isn't she dating some black dude in the current comics?

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>>88015455
> first name dropped within the first year of tam
> teased for two years before making her first full appearance during a te when story arcs in comics rarely lasted more than 2 issues
> marriage ordained by stan lee himself
> wasn't created to be peter's one true gal

>>88021533
I don't remember a black dude unless that firefighter she dated for two seconds was black. At the moment she's "dating" Tony Stark but that's not going to happen any more since Stark's MIA.

>>88021506
>(((Kevin Smith)))

>>88021597
Why did he date an office lady?

>>88021081
You know, I just realized i have no idea. He turned one guy into ink for contracts, but what the ultimate end is, I can't say.

>>88021608
I wouldn't know, I only saw a panel a while ago and I quit reading way before that.

>>88021629
>>88021081
He gets off on tormenting them.

>>88021619
Because Betty Brant was like 20, and Peter was a horny teenager, and it was the early 60s and women only worked until they found a husband.

>>88021706
Now Peter hitting on her the way he did when he was 15 and she was in her 20s feels really weird. I never made that connection as a kid.

>>88020903
Why does someone always reply with this every i post about mj's origin

>>88021764
Because her sister is never mentioned.

>>88020643

eh, more than one might think. Its a bit like saying there can only be so many blondes and brunettes with great figures

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MJ made Peter's life better.

Gwen made his life miserable.

Simple as that.

>>88014918
the redhead, hands down

only posted because it was on the front page

to another board i go

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>>88022261
Felicia made his life worth living.

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>>88014940

Reminder that Black Cat belongs to Flash

>>88021382
how

>>88021297
In hypercrisis, it was probably really Bueno Excellente.

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>>88022515

cheers to that

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>>88022649

>>88019103
No one knows if MJ existed in that continuity or not.

>>88021750
Technically in the old comics they're really supposed to be approximately the same age (or maybe Stan needed to damage control for it). However if you believe that Peter became Spider-Man when he was 15 it wouldn't make sense for Betty to be the same age because IIRC New York laws might only allow 16 and older to work full-time or part-time during school hours. So Betty could be older but not too old.

>>88021750
The same happens in Spectacular Spiderman, only this time around Betty lets him down easy pretty quickly.

>>88015455
Mj is the only one for Peter IMO, but that might just be because I grew up with them married and Gwen had been dead long before I got into comics.

mj is the best
gwen should have stayed dead

>>88024736
you are objectively wrong

>>88021414
Competition's too fierce.

While we're on the topic, can anyone explain to me why Marvel, years after Gwen's death developed such a hardon for her?

>>88025272
I've always assumed it was because she was the love interest in the ASM films and Marvel wanted to take advantage of her first major exposure to casual fans.

>>88022819
HAHA

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>>88014918
Can I choose a 4th option?

>>88025272
Gwen is Peter's soulmate, Marvel never tried to change that fact over the decades.

>>88014918
Which one is less of a slut?

>>88014918
Easy: Red heads are hotter.

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>>88021414
Would sue ever fug spidey

>>88025325
That's only half an option though.

>>88018373
Except for the whole 'showing up in costume to beat up moloids' bit.

>>88025379
this Felicia is as perfect as she is un-canon

>>88025416
Get the fuck out, Carlos!

>>88025325
Ma nigga best girl

I'm so sick of this two party system with like two other third parties. Settle your shit like adults or Pete's gonna end up with Carlie Cooper.

>>88025408
Wait what about stretch dude?

>>88025325
>>88025337
>when bendis unironically made the most popular superhero on the planet's girlfriend a midget

>>88025524
I think this was Slott?

>>88020371
That's ultimate. Shit.
This is a real Spidey thread.

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>>88014918
I liked the tsundere option.

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>>88014918

>>88025576
Never does he say Pete or Peter. Fake and Gay.

Why not both? It's 2016, poly relationships are a thing. Have your cake and fuck it too.

>>88025325
She works best with Ock, not Peter.

>>88025272
Emma Stone in ASM films + Spider-Gwen.

And Spider-Gwen got so successful that they did the Gwen variants, which lead to Gwenpool.

>>88019147
Chat is probably Anya's age in 616 (and doesn't appear to have powers so she's not a mutant there). Anya is what, a teenager? So I don't think she and Peter can hook up unless Secret Wars changed 616 Chat's age.

>>88025555
she was a bitch, not a tsundere.

>>88025272
Nostalgia/waifu-ing fanboys got control of the books. It's the same reason Kitty Pryde became relevant again after a decade of nothing.

>>88023896
Remember that Spider-man was originally made in the 60s.

>>88025670
Some people like monogamy

Spidey never murdered Gwen to resurrect 90 year old aunt may

>>88020064
a week ago

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>>88025670

>>88014918

I have plenty of hoes, I'm just trying to pick NOT MARY for God the father

did I say that out loud? I mean my hoes are quality classy old America bitches, with pale skin and such as cake

I go to the redhead for blowjobs but gwen is superior in ass bank and everything else mary jane isn't

it's a choice between drama mary jane Watson

and a stupid bitch trying to be a superhero herself gwen and dying in the process

gwen types are financially supportive

mary jane is nothing

>>88021365
What kind of man, particularly one who is canonically attractive, would ever talk about fucking body shaming?

>>88025524
That was Slott, you fucking idiot

>>88025734
Gwen was so shit that even Aunt May outlived her.

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Fuck this noise. Can we all just agree that pic related ACTUALLY makes sense?

Gwen = MJ > Felicia > Anna Maria = Betty >>>>>>Debra > Liz > Shit > Carlie.

I'm sure I'm forgetting some, but those are the biggest ones from the top of my mind.

>>88021365
You know I like that Torch knows Peter is Spider-Man for years now, they're getting more Blue Beetle/Booster Gold esque.

>>88025670
>>>/STD/

>>88018605
The way I understand the panels, she went from a punch (with her chest facing us) to a roundhouse kick (since you can see a blur of her leg), and the kick is what broke off a bit more of the already broken wall.

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>>88025782

>>88025758

you faggots fucked up the whole spiderman franchise thing

I died in the middle and over half of it is bullshit and you all missed the point

all the costumes, the alternate realities are half assed bullshit by people missing the point, probably john

Peter Parker is the villain when he straight up murdered uncle ben's killer and went after the sandman and wrecked eddie brook's life

Peter Parker is Venom and he IS evil, deadpool is just half assed reincarnation from a white guy/soldier I blame black people nerd rage and loopers

the real venom is what you call deadpool, a guy that is superprepared realistic and an asshole that's what spiderman was supposed to be originally

the movies in the franchise miss all the real villains such as the lizard, and the two electros the vulture ain't shit he's just 47(cartoonsanimemanga) with wings

and mary jane's ex boyfriend and kingpin are much more bigger characters than that

that'd be why the only major two that got selected were doc ock and the ass goblin because the fucking jews and the black guys that won't quit and such characters that nerd rage kept fucking with it and changing it

so the most obvious ones were octopus and European mad guy Dafoe

the sinister six was supposed to define who the spider villains are, but did not because something got in the way

its rhino the lizard and the electros spiderman villains come In pairs the goblins the symbiotes and the electrics

the symbiote is just an alien, like steroids but Peter Parker IS the villain in the story and the dressed up freaks are the heroes trying to stop him or match him who the hero and the villain is changes depending on any given situation

Spider-man is venom because it was the spider's venom that turned him into spiderman

today's spiderman is venom but he behaves as deadpool would which is the whole point a pooresque apartment dwelling bastard who behaves as a rich person

deadpool was just a blonde guy, Peter Parker is a psycho

>>88025901

it's a poor guy behaving as a snotty old german European mad man

it's a sociopath in his 20's doing wild fucked up shit with other costumed faggots trying to stop him

and it just gets bigger and bigger

Venom is NOT Eddie Brock, Venom is the vengeance of all the bullshit and the accumulation of the wrath of God

the wrath of God is what Peter Parker is, it's fight club and mad men having a bastard son

>>88025901
mental illness is a hell of a drug

>>88017164
>getting cucked by your alter ego
the worst

>>88025825

this shit is canon like Dragon Ball GT is canon

those people are sex criminals dressed up as spiderman plural, jerking off at the real spiderman

they make the dragon ball z movies look good to people that are sane

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>>88025627
YOU'RE FAKE AND GAY!

I love how people keep bringing up Gwen was a bitch in her early days, but completely forget that MJ has consistently been written as whiny, very often complaining to Peter about him being a superhero.

>>88025960
>very often complaining to Peter about him being a superhero.
MJ haters keep saying this, but outside Slott crap and Quesada directed material, they never provide examples.

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>>88018405

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when do we see old as fuck spiderman reminiscing about his past loves, having accepted that he needs to be alone for this superhero thing to work

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>>88025960
MJ was a grade A bitch during the time Gwen was alive. Not that she wasn't once she died, chasing after Peter while still going out with Harry.

But most Spiderfags haven't even read Lee's run, so it's no big surprise.

>>88025973
If you're such an MJfag you should know shit like this. It was mostly during the 90s when she gave him crap about it. There was an issue of McFarlane's run where she made a scene out of him using his black suit, for example.

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>>88014918
Why/how is this even a debate? From House of M to Sins Past, it's gotten pretty obvious who Peter prefers.

>>88026093
>There was an issue of McFarlane's run where she made a scene out of him using his black suit, for example.

To be fair, that actually had a good reason. MJ was pretty freaked the fuck out when she met Venom for the first time, so the black costume brings bad memories.

>>88025670
>still no Spider-VN

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>>88025337
>Unironically putting Ramos art in a waifu image

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>>88014918
MJ got the entrance. Of course it was always going to be her. And it was good.

>>88014918
There's a debate?

>>88026151
Funny thing is that it was never going to be her if it weren't for
1) Conway deciding to kill Gwen
2) Lee giving him permission to do so without actually hearing what he had to say

>>88026233
I just dont get it.

Conway was one of the biggest definitive Spiderman successor after Lee was done. He influenced Spidey comics for decades to come.

if he choses MJ then there shouldn't be any argument here.

HELL guys even Stan Lee married the two in his newspaper strip.

Black Cat is the second number gal for Spidey imo but their relationship is in the end pretty toxic.

Kinda like Talia and Batman. I like them but in the long term they wont work out well enough like Batman and Catwoman will.

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>>88014918
MJl 30 years Peter's wife (newspaper strip and RYV)
Even if Slott's master plan is to pair Peter up with Cunty Gwen after Clown Conspiracy, there's no beating that streak. Not even Brock Lesnar could.

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>>88018455
maybe. it wouldn't be hard, just do it in two it in two steps rather than one.
probably won't happen while Slott Machine is still on the book. Where's that heart attack his fat ass is overdue for?

>>88026110
sins past...please.

Gwen is best, Mary is a whore. Felicia is better than both.

>>88026263
>This writer dude chose her and so should everyone else

>>88026266
Slott hates Gwen just as much as he does MJ and has said in the past that he'd never want to bring her back. If he does after Clone Conspiracy then it was a choice made by one of his superiors.

>>88022515

lol no

>>88026373
>casual fag doesnt know who Gerry Conway is.
Go fuck yourself anon

>>88026263
>but their relationship is in the end pretty toxic.
In the 'end', she loved Peter both as Spider-Man and as Peter Parker, had quit crime and worked as a private eye that specialized in retrieving stolen goods.

she helped Peter appreciate the fun parts of being a costumed crusader, and Peter inspired her to be a better person. I don't see how that's toxic.

>>88026384
I know who Conway is. What I meant to say is that no one writer, no matter how good he may be, can and should influence something like that after he's stopped writing.

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>>88026092
>needs to be alone for this superhero thing to work
or, better idea, stop wasting time with civvies and just partner up with another superhero

>>88026136
>implying Ramos didn't draw a sexy as fuck Black Cat in Big Time
>implying MJ wasn't sexy as fuck in Spider Island
The guys style is wonkey, but hot damn if the right inker can't make his art look amazing.

>>88016139
We dont talk about that here.

>>88026449
If that's what Peter really wanted then he'd never have kept his identity a secret in the first place. He wants to keep the normal aspect of his life.

MJ and Peter are supreme OTP depending on the writer. That writer will never be Dan Slott.

They shined under JMS, editorial mandated bullshit aside, because they were a married couple that were functionally retarded. That brings people together in the crucible of fire. And that love and affection radiated off the fucken page. The Gwen segments were always forced and clunky.

You can't just keep dragging along a golden age dead weight, ruin her character over and over again then expect different results. As far as I know, she's still a cheating whore who got slammed by Norman Osbourn and bore his illegitimates while Peter missed her back home. How can anyone respect that?

As for Black Cat, she's just the bar slag that keeps trying to wiggle in for a deep dicking and then moseys until she sees you rebounding again.

So, all this aside, the only real choice is obvious.

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The only right answer

>>88026473
Eh. JMS's stuff was boring. Lay off the member-berries.

>>88026473
>That writer will never be Dan Slott
Give me a break, you MJfags were all over his RYV when it came out. You don't care who is writing as long as Peter and MJ are together. Not only this but Slott has explicitly stated that he's almost never been allowed to write MJ into his stories in the first place.

>Gwen is golden age
>Black Cat is the bar slag
The rest of your post just screams "I have no idea what I'm talking about and I haven't read pre-JMS Spider-man"

I get it, you grew up watching Spider-man TAS and thought MJ was great. That's fine, but when you start spilling shit all over the place in efforts to look like you know what you're talking about it gets kind of ridiculous.

Not as great a debate as Ginger or Mary Ann - or Betty or Veronica...

>>88026557
Sabrina in a Betty/Veronica sandwich is the only right answer

>>88026449
>or, better idea, stop wasting time with civvies and just partner up with another superhero
This is always awful every time it happens.

>>88017164
so does she know he's Peter or what

>>88026449

But Carol is a terrible person now. Full on Hitler.

>>88025956
Fuck off

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>>88026647
its awful every time writers pair wonder woman and superman together and intentionally write it terribly so they can split them up at the end go 'see see? this is why my OTP is better', which there is too much of, but by and large at least the hero on hero ships, and even hero on antihero ships, are largely written about how their personalities, backgrounds, and allegiances interact rather than just the same three conflicts that writers keep bringing out whenever they wanna add more drama to a cape on civvie romance

>>88026528
Lots of assumptions there, buttercup. And who cares what Slott states? Look at the tripe he's been putting out for the last few years and tell me his stories hold any water.

Did you miss the rest of my post concerning Gwen, dumb dumb? As for Black Cat she's just like any other fair weather female that you may encounter in polite society if you weren't a home bodied autist. She comes in, trounces whatever you may be doing, gets you pot committed for a while and then off she goes.

Also MJ was awful in TAS. Felicia was at her prime, characterization wise, and the rest is just you assuming because I went against what you may believe abloo bloo bloo.

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>>88015054
>Ultimate Gwen
This guy gets it

>>88026940
Ultimate Gwen got killed by Carnage though. That's just a clone, right?

>>88025272
Because people are suckers for tragic love stories.

>>88026093
> grade A bitch

Nah, you're just a sensitive Gwen fanboy. Harry deserved much worse.

>>88026940

I should really get around to reading ultimate

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>>88018789

It's just sample art or something by the guy doing the new She-Hulk series.

>>88027090
>implying you aren't a sensitive MJ fanboy
Anyway, would you mind explaining why you think Harry deserved that?

>>88014918
Here's something I don't get. 90% of Spiderfags on this board prefer MJ and flood any new storytime with muh OMD and not muh marriage, yet Conway's RYV #1 was outsold by CC didn't even make it in the top 10. Why did it happen?

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>>88027247
Both MJ and Gwen have their bitch moments, but neither are Grade A bitches.

Harry is a whiny, slippery jerk with a lot of daddy/mommy issues. I don't blame MJ for ditching his ass and you should blame him for getting Gwen killed. If he didn't use drugs than Norman wouldn't have snapped back into a Goblin costume.

>>88026415
Idk her being the type of gal who goes completely good? I mean I LIKE my Felecia who teases Peter constantly and is inspired to occasionally be a good hero from time to time.

Kinda like how Catwoman is? She still steals stuff but also protects the East End of Gotham.

Thats how I enjoy my Black Cat. To me she is the extreme side to the wild party gal MJ. Just like how Gwen is the extreme goody twoshoes gal next door type to the nice stuff belongin to MJ.

MJ is the best of two worlds for Peter I think and in the comics she went thru her own maturation to get to that point.

Also inb4 Gwen is nothing like the gal next door homely type. You might be right she probably isn't but her character is basically Saintified into completely someone else.

>>88026665
>second panel
>"Listen, I know who..:"

>>88018474

The latex holds in all of her farts and queefs, but sometimes they get out and it's like a fucking fist made of noxious wind.

>>88026940
Ultimate Gwen basically got MJ's personality while ultimate MJ became the smart gal Gwen was in the comic.

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>>88014918
If me Korean Spider, I bang her long time

>>88025758
Felicia is the patrician choice anyway.

>>88028666
mmf ching chong ring rong lemme long tong ya ping pong

Bounce house.

>>88026093
MJ might be a cunt but Harry is a little bitch.

>>88026110
you are gonna trigger them

>>88028818
>House of M
>Sins Past

great sample size there, my nigga. didn't spidey cheat on gwen in the House of M-verse with MJ?

lap it up

>>88026266
Ana Maria and Felicia are both superior choices.

>>88026415
OMD deleted all of this for at least one more decade.

Fuck Quezada, and fuck Slott.

>>88026506
Delete left and we are good.

>>88027333
Dude, it went to a second printing. It'll be fine.
Also it's an AU book with only a possible link to 616. Some people don't take to that so easily, they want the marriage to be mainstream

>>88026110
Yeah, MJ.

Gwen ain't love, Gwen is guilt.

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>>88026972
Not a clone exactly....

>>88020374
>missing
No, it was confirmed as a miscarriage.

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>>88014957
You know, as soon as I started this I knew it wasn't going to be worth it. But basically: You're 100% right.

>>88028666
Why is she not pregnant from Peter's? Real question.

>>88028941
>>88026110
Mary jean is just a replaceable cog and she know it, Gwen is eternal.

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>>88029448
pfff.
I love Campbell, but yeah. all his females do look the same

>>88029448
>>88014918
More examples?

>>88018995
Gwen had just tsundere settings permanently set to maximum. Peter sort of had his set the same way at the time combined with constantly having to sneak off to be spider-man.
Gwen x Peter is just two tsunderes trying to beat each other.

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>>88029548
>Gwen had just tsundere settings permanently set to maximum.

I guess she was ahead of her time.

>>88026665
that is LITERALLY what she's saying here.

>>88026940
Super hero reporter mash up, huh.

Actually Ultimate Peter aspiring to be Superman's kind of neat.

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>>88026266
Does seeing spider defeat someone stronger than himself get mj wet?

Veronica

>>88029448
Except he isn't. Left has bigger boobs, right has fuller lips and is generally a bit more thicc

>>88014918
If Gwen wasn't a slut in recent years (literal and commercially), it would be easy. MJ have a gigantic fandom, though.

>>88029858
Man JRJR really wasn't trying on this ish.

>>88029858
Yep. The fact Peter is one of the most flexible guys on the planet has super strength and can stand on the walls or ceiling and has a webbing sex swing with him at all times probably means MJ has been fucked in positions that have completely spoiled her too.

>>88019919
Well, Peter was a fine sculptor, who'd guess?

>>88018474
Suppose to be a wide kick, but damn, that artist didn't even keep her foot up to show that.

>>88020666
Or indian, asian, muslim, she-hulk... I miss some blondes and brunettes.

Gwen is best girl.

>>88026457

With Clone Conspiracy bringing back Gwen? You bet your ass it's coming back into the frontline.

>>88027213
I'd dig this. Spidey barely have chances to best Felicia in fights, because everything ends with "can't beat her bad luck powers" nowadays.

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>>88030383
That's weird, considering she died without feeling guilt for fucking Norman and without as much of a thought for her kids. She's either a terrible person with a cold heart or Slott is pushing Sins Past out of canon
>>88030466
I actually read this only a few weeks ago. Immediately regretted not having done so sooner.

>>88016698
>Remember when Peter wanted a normal life and MJ was a link to that mundanity which his responsibilities would never allow him?

Yes, it was called the 90s. But I wouldn't expect a casual faggot like you to know anything about that.

>>88026061
>Guile does sonic booms with his fist.
>Felicia can shake her ass so fast that she only needs her booty.
Do miracles never cease?

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> gwen loved peter but hated spiderman
> catgirl loved spiderman but hated peter
> mary jane loved peter and spiderman

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>>88014918

> ywn see a Spiderman movie where the B Plot is Peter trying to fend off his greatest enemy yet: Black Cat as a crazy stalker while hiding the uncomfortable situation from MJ.

>>88019869
>realistic fetishist problems