Sunday Symbiote Thread: Not Muh Venom Edition

>>87988177
That Venom is shit, absolute fecal matter
But I do like something about the design....I like how the face looks as if it's both smiling and scowling at the same time

>>87988376
Better than the spaceknight design. Not by a huge margin, though.

I liked this issue, I think it's because I'm not supposed to like this new host, Lee, he's awful, and I'm waitting for Venom to just devour him, or leave him stranded and helpless. I'm hoping that this new ongoing will be about Venom jumping from one host ro another, trying to find a good match for it. Either way I can't wait for the next issue

OP here. Really, really didn't like the issue and I hate that Marvel didn't just continue on with Flash and Andi in a new series. BTW did anyone else get angry when reading the author letter?

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>>87988814
But they already did a situation like that, at least the first part.

>>87988829
My hope is that Flash and Andi are still paling around while trying to track down Venom, I just really want to know what happened. The 8 month time skip deal didn't work well for Cyclop's heel turn, so that has me worried for Flash and Venom.
>>87988881
Yeeees, this was such a great fucking page, Marvel Knights Spider-Man was one of my all time favorites. This came pretty suddenly though, Venom was just like "This kid is weak as fuck, fuck him." With Lee I want Venom to drop him out of fucking spite because screw him.

>>87988881

Why is the symbiote an asshole now? Didn't we just have a big how to do about it being decent?

>>87989067
Read the issue, it's not Venom who is bad, it's trying to be the voice of reason.

>>87988177
Thanks for posting the page. My brother is a huge Eddiefag and this is going to trigger the shit out of him.

>>87988881
>>87988881
Having the symbiote talk all the time was a mistake. It was best depicted in the days of OG Venom, a mute alien creature who just needs a host to bond with

>>87988881
Angelo was a better host than Coldsteel the Edgeheg.

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>>87988829
>BTW did anyone else get angry when reading the author letter?

Here it is. Thoughts?

>>87989417
So, wait a second here, did this guy just completely forget Mac Venom and Dark Reign? Because he was pretty fucking evil and only pretending to be a hero, Mac Venom was literally eating hookers on his time off and other people. As edgy as he wants Lee to be, Lee will never be as fucking crazy and monstrous as Mac was with Venom, that's just crazy talk.

>>87988830
Am I a fucking idiot or is carnage saying that venom wouldnt stop talking about sucking spider-mans dick?

>>87989626
I think it's an edit.

>>87989738
So i am an idiot

>>87989738

Filleting as in fillet. you know like fillet o fish.

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>>87988998
>My hope is that Flash and Andi are still paling around while trying to track down Venom, I just really want to know what happened.

I'd love to see Andi kick Lee's ass.

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>>87989417
>Am I forgetting anyone?

Hmmm, Devin. Are you?

>>87990075
Even if Flash can't get Venom back, I really hope he somehow gets a symbiote again.

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>>87990545
Whoops, don't know how I messed that up, here's the most recent interview about the series anyway.

http://www.newsarama.com/32138-venom-returns-to-classic-1990s-form-with-new-host-back-to-basics-mentality.html

>>87989417
Is there a name for people who try to pass themselves off as fans of the material they're working on yet fail to realize what fans actually want from the material? Because I'm getting that kind of vibe from this letter as well from how Mike Costa seems to view Venom. It reminds me of Zack Snyder in a way. They both claim to be fans yet they don't seem to really understand the material or characters they claim to love.

>>87990621
>Mike is staying true to what brian bendis and robbie Thompson have done before...
Welp, back into the cave I go.

>>87990621
>venom-returns-to-classic-1990s-form-with-new-host-back-to-basics-mentality.html

I'm not gonna read that interview, but no....Venom even in his original appearance was not what this series has proven to be in the very first issue

Venom, contrary to popular opinion, was never just a "big evil brute who murders everyone", the concept was more like a guy who hit rock bottom with a skewed view of morality, thinking he's the hero while being a villain and justifying his hatred of the hero by believing they're the villain, until his true face turn where he just became another anti hero

Gargan Venom was the first time the character was what the public perceived him to be, a one note spider-brand version of Bane or something

>>87990746
Have you considered that maybe with so many stories and interpretations of these characters it's possible for people to come to different understandings of the material?

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>>87989365
Holy shit how does that artist get work?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyZh_xg22Qk

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I have come to the realization that the Symbiote was practically raped in the latest issue.

Now onto a more positive subject.

What would you do with a symbiote? What would you look like? sexual doesn't count.

I don't think I would be able to be a hero 95% of the time like in comics, but I would help people when I could, and probably go around "patrolling" every once and a while. As for looks I would probably just look similar to Last Stand Spider-Man maybe even with similar colors. I really like red, but I would maybe use white or yellow as well to distinguish myself.,When mad then I would just let the symbiote morph into a monsterous version of it.

Also I would abuse shapeshifting as much as I could, it's a VERY useful power that I feel isn't used enough by symbiote users, at least as far as I've seen.

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Also bumpan with a /tg/ anon's CYOA.

I think I'd use it to get money. Not sure how but not by robbing stores or banks.

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>>87993052

>>87992958
Some very kind anon actually drew me a symbiote, but sadly I lost the picture. It was mostly black with spots of green and had a sickly look it with green eyes and a yellow inner mouth.

>>87991146
Come on don't compare Thompson to Bendis like that. Yes, Space Knight was different and perhaps wasn't what everyone wanted. But I still thought it was good. Not perfect but still good. And Thompson really does seem to love Venom and the mythos surrounding the character. He further developed the symbiote as a character and gave it more of a voice. He brought back Mania, a character who had been forgotten for years, with a storyline that had remained unresolved. And let's be honest. Most of us here would have preferred Space Knight to continue instead of this new edgy bullshit we have now.

>>87993442
Thompson is just the guy who makes the shit that Bendis and Slott produce and make it into something good (Klyntar and Silk), however, I was never a big fan of cosmic stuff, so Venom SK wasn't really my thing. I'm happy to see Venom on Earth again, I just wish I fully understood what's going on with it.

>>87993094
Thank you

>>87993442
>Most of us here would have preferred Space Knight to continue instead of this new edgy bullshit we have now.
Space Knight and current Venom are the same level of shit and the same level of not getting what Venom is all about or why he had a fanbase to begin with but trying to cater to new audiences rather than old fans

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>>87993094
So if I am correct, Mania being purified in Space Knight means she/it can do the separate form thing now. That would be pretty interesting to see. I'd love to see Andi's reaction upon witnessing it for the first time. I also wonder how a conversation would go between Venom and Mania in their separate forms, taking into consideration that they are technically father and daughter.

>>87993052
Hey, I made this. Still need to fix the whole anti matter thing. Thought it would be easier to explain then dark force to non comic book fans, but then I realized that everyone is weak to antimatter.
>>87991366
Ya, I can't stand Ramos. He's gotten a ton better since that, buy I still think he's garbage.

>>87992958
I would absolutely abuse shapeshifting. Probably try to get a job in Hollywood with it. I could be basically an invincible stuntman (no fire though).

I'd do hero stuff if I could, but the most heroic thing I would do is visit children's hospitals, shapeshifting into their favorite characters.

>>87993052
Why would anyone chose something other than Anti-Venom?

>>87994001
I bet you're a hit at parties.

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>>87996404
I don't even understand what you're trying to imply here....like I get that meme phrase, but now you're just applying it to anybody who doesn't agree with you...as if anybody who doesn't like garbage comics hates fun by default or something? Is that what you're getting at? Because we have a meme term for you too

It's shill

>>87988998
>The 8 month time skip deal didn't work well for Cyclop's heel turn, so that has me worried for Flash and Venom.
It's not even a matter of the 8 month timeskip because everything of Venom Space Knight was taking place after that timeskip. They're just withholding information of how we got from the end of Venom Space Knight to this to try and get us to keep buying their crappy book

Serious question: what is it about symbiote characters that apparently makes it so hard for writers to know what to do with them?

It's caused what symbiotes actually are and where they came from to vary wildly over the years and it feels like every writer just ignores whatever came before and makes up something new. Bendis' "Klyntar" thing seems to be sticking, but that's probably because Bendis has ridiculous pull with editorial to keep it that way.

>>87994001
Okay but if you had to choose between the new Venom series and Space Knight continuing which one would you choose?

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>>87993640
>I'm happy to see Venom on Earth again

I like that Venom's back on Earth. I just wish Flash was still Venom :(

>>87998481
Fresh, All New Venom sounds better than Space Knight, but this is only because I'm not really a cosmic comic fan.
>>87998619
Me too anon, me too, but imagine the joy you'll feel when Venom has enough strength to fuck Lee over.

>>87998619
RIP

>>87998731
>Fresh, All New Venom sounds better than Space Knight, but this is only because I'm not really a cosmic comic fan.

To be honest I wouldn't say I'm into cosmic stuff either but still would have preferred Space Knight continuing. Space Knight did end with Flash back on Earth so the cosmic stuff may have had a lessened focus if the series had continued. Then again the series is called SPACE Knight so who knows? But even then I wouldn't have minded. It would have been nice to see Andi hang out with Flash's space crew.

Also, the ending of Space Knight just felt like such a fucking tease. It's like Marvel was just dangling what we wanted in front of us. It's not fair. I want my Venom & Mania series dammit

>but imagine the joy you'll feel when Venom has enough strength to fuck Lee over.

Oh yes I will feel great joy. And if it's not Venom who does it then I'm expecting someone else to do it.

>>87999252
Long live Venom :.(

>>87993094
Silk fought Scream?

>>88001040
Naw, Crain just drew that for a fan at some con I think. Had she not been killed off in Agent Venom I'd really like to see that symbiote show up in Silk.

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I loved Brock back in the day and was quite irritated during the duration of Gargan Venom. However, despite all logic, Marvel has managed to make me love palette-swap Antivenom, injured soldier Flash Thompson Agent Venom, said Agent Venom as a goddamn SpaceKnight, and the symbiote's offspring bonded to a goth/punk/scene girl sidekick.

That's some straight-up magic.

And then they piss it away.

>>88001193
Give them a chance anon keep in mind, all the changes with Venom were met with a lot of dislike and distrust after Eddie Brock.
>The Scorpion, who is no Venom, is Not Spider-Man on Osborn's Avengers. No fucking thank you. He's eating people and stuff man, he was never like that wuth Eddie.
>Venom on Flash, made to pander to the CoD crowd, there is no way Agent Venom will be any kind of cool.
>hahaha Venom has a sidekick now, have you seen her!? Like a Sonic OC HAHA!
>Venom is joining the GotG now? Fucking Thanks Bendis
>Space Knight is tied up with Bendis cancer, no thank you.

This all new Venom is only on issue 1, and all we know is Venom is still the good guy, and is too weak to get away from his current shitty host.

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>>87988177
>Carnage happens
>a swashbuckling psycho symbiote serial full of edge
>/co/ adores it
>Venom happens, erases all that idiotic Space Knight/GotG stuff
>a swashbuckling psycho symbiote serial full of edge
>/co/ hates it

I just don't get you sometimes, guys. Is it the lesbians? Are you upset that the first issue didn't pump out all the lesbians and fish amazon rapists right out of the gate?

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>>88001409
For as many people loved issue 1 of Carnage, myself included, there were twice as many who believed it would be cancled by issue 5.

it's just a "The Darkness" ripoff.

>>88001409
It's too late for me to write something long and detailed so I'll just say this: Because Venom isn't Carnage.

>>88001193
>said Agent Venom as a goddamn SpaceKnight

Nice to know there's someone else here who liked Space Knight. I don't know why that series gets so much hate on here. And that last issue, man. Gave me some feels.

>>88001409
>>88001644
Literally this, venom isnt carnage.
Carnage is the full violence psycho killer
Venom is the struggling anti-hero
Broxin is the middleman

>>87990075
From the new book it seems that Flash died, otherwise you cant explain why Venom is alone and didnt come back to him
I hope that this new Venom is some sort of clone/offspring of the original Venom, so the happy ending of Space Knight would still stand

>>87988881
They better give a good explanation for why Venom doesn't do this to Lee the moment he gains enough strength.

>>87988814
I hope you are right

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>>88002405
They'll probably have a huge mind battle as the symbiote slowly eats his body.

Venom will try to finish Lee off by hitting him with all of his greatest failures and regrets.

We'll get the briefest moment of epiphany from the scumbag before he realizes that he can probably do the same to the symbiote and hits it back with all the people it killed, hurt, and let down (Peter's never going to love you, Brock's probably ashamed that he ever met you, and Flash? You couldn't even be there for him when it counted most). It works, because unlike Lee, the symbiote made the very pivotal and tragic mistake of learning to care.

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>>87992958
Hero Stuff/Urban Exploration Jaunts

Probably like the Bounce, because I love that costume, especially the eyes incorporated in the vertical lines running down his face bit.

>>88002955
Tamiya cars?

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>>88002972

>>87995493
Thats Francisco Herrera, not Ramos

>>88002191
>From the new book it seems that Flash died, otherwise you cant explain why Venom is alone and didnt come back to him

NO NO NO SHUT UP! Don't give them any ideas.

>>88002851
>Lee winning in the end

No.

>>88001368
>>The Scorpion, who is no Venom, is Not Spider-Man on Osborn's Avengers. No fucking thank you. He's eating people and stuff man, he was never like that wuth Eddie.

No one liked Gargan Venom though. I do get your point though from the other ones you listed.

>>87996637
You're pathetic.

>>87989365
That isn't Venom, though. That was the clone.

>>87990746
Mike Costa is clearly a gargantuan casual.

He got shit wrong right on the first page summary, when he wrote the bit about the symbiote turning Peter more aggressive 'n such.

That, literally, never happened in 616 continuity and is a product of the 90s animated series and Raimi movies. So its clear Costa isn't even doing the most basic amount of research for the book.

So I think the word you're looking for is "casual". Or "poser", that works too.

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>>87995060
>Mania being purified in Space Knight means she/it can do the separate form thing now.

I still don't understand why the separate form thing was ever a plot point. The symbiote has always been able to exist on its own.

>>87991283
This

>>88004578
>No one liked Gargan Venom though.

I think he had his moments. Like, the Sinister Spider-Man mini series was hilarious.

>>88004892
I still hope that, as some others have said, the Venom symbiote eventually ditches Lee The Edgelord for a new host... and that the new host is a woman.

>>87992958
i would rape the symbiote

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>>88005081

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Eddie and the symbiote were true bros

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>>88001732
I dont like what the story did to symbiote lore. I originally loved the premise but Its time for me to just admit that I have a very series and permanent case of the not muh. But I cant even read marvel anymore anyway...I was a spidy fan.

I think its sort of like...spyro the dragon. I loved those games as a kid, ripto's rage was pic related. Recently I watched some skylanders with my nieces. I think the stories and characters I loved and grew up with...they arent for me anymore. I got the goods and now its for the next generation. And I feel bad that they get butchered dumbed down metafan remnants of these classics, but watcha gonna do.

Fuck

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Some classic Eddie Brock stories:

>Separation Anxiety
http://imgur.com/a/pZ1nr

>Sinner Takes All
http://imgur.com/a/KVzTI

>Along Came A Spider
http://imgur.com/a/rAv9e

>Enemy Within
http://imgur.com/a/sK9JT


>The Hybrid origin story (backup to Along Came A Spider issues)
http://imgur.com/a/OR8mn


For anyone who says symbiotes never played a major role in a series as characters themselves, read the Hybrid story and see how wrong you are.

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>>88005191

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>>88005151
>I dont like what the story did to symbiote lore.
Seriously, lets just stick to the original origin (pic related).

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>>88005221

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>>88005237

>>88005151
I understand. I used to be in a similar place. Used to think Eddie Brock was the one and only Venom, wasn't willing to give Flash a chance until recently. Glad I did though, because I love Flash Venom now and am saddened to see him go.

>>88002955
Did GW slam ye olde lawsuit on em? Though seeing a "chaos" corrupted tau was interesting.

>>88005237
Wow, another alien race of evil would-be conquerors. Not like Marvel has enough of those already. What with the Kree, the Skrulls, the Badoon, the Brood, the Phalanx, the Dire Wraiths...

is there a /co/ approved reading list for symbiotes, including OG venom, Agent venom, et al, basically, the last 30 years of symbiote appearances that are actually really good?

I kinda wanna go full autismo and download and read every single one.

>>88005353
Which is precisely why the Venom symbiote, specifically, was interesting.

>>88005103
I liked the concept, back when it was still possible that the new host was Mania, of there being a skinny-with-tits "normal" Mania form and a bulked-up-roid-monster "hulk-mode" based on classic Venom.

>>88005368
>is there a /co/ approved reading list for symbiotes, including OG venom,

see: >>88005191

The Hunger and The Hunted are also both great OG mini series.

>>88005390
but you no longer like the concept?

>>88005378
>What if Captain Marvel was a spoopy goo-monster and Rick Jones was an edgy shithead?

Meh

>>88005443
>What if Captain Marvel was a spoopy goo-monster and Rick Jones was an edgy shithead?

wat.

>>88005464
>Kree/Symbiotes
>Mar-Vell/Venom Symbiote
>Rick Jones/Eddie Brock

it ain't rocket science

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>>88005504

>>88005504
That's an awful analogy, anon.

>>88002191
Venom and Flash are still together in Guardians.So we have to wait until either this wednesday, or the end of Bendis' Guardians run to find out how they got split up, and why Venom is so weak

>>88005103
>Slott has Anne Weying brought back from the dead as part of Clone Conspiracy
>Costa has the Venom symbiote ditch Lee
>The symbiote attaches itself to Anne
>Costa is secretly a She-Venomfag and this new Venom series was just a roundabout way of bringing her back

>>88005844
I want this so bad it hurts.

>>88005844
I'm right there beside >>88005895

If that happened, I would immediately forgive Costa for that shit first Venom issue and pretty much all the other garbage he has churned out (Web Warriors, etc).

>>88005844
Costa and his editor DID talk about Ann in this interview here: >>87990621

Probably the only time I have ever seen any one at Marvel even acknowledge that Ann is an actual character.

>>88005915
Including my fetish is a great way to get me interested in any book these-days.

On a side note I read through volume 1 of Carnage and it certainly had a lot more going on than I expected. It's a shame he's not a "hero" anymore but at least he's doing what he does best.

I can't wait to shit get eldritch.

>>88005844
I just want more Ann Weying in general. Is there even some good fan work out there?

>>88005960
>On a side note I read through volume 1 of Carnage and it certainly had a lot more going on than I expected.

That series stays consistently great, thanks to based Conway.

>>88005844
>>88005895
>>88005915
>>88005960
Imagine a She-Venom vs Mania fight...

>>88006077
It would be the greatest thing ever.

>>88006077
I'd prefer a She-Venom and Mania team up, personally.

>>88006108
No no no they fight first, THEN they team up.

Then they fuck.

>>88006134
>No no no they fight first, THEN they team up.
fanfic, when?

>>88006077
>She-Venom brags about being the first female symbiote and makes fun of Mania's look during the fight

>>88006226
I am completely ok with this. I would expect no less from a more mature lawyer.

>>88006173
>>88006226
>>88006263
Someone please, do something with these ideas.

>>88006389
I want to see this, too.

In the mean time, this exists: http://symbiosisaw.deviantart.com/art/She-Venom-Succession-Prologue-586921344

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Aww...

I want to see Jane Foster Thor with the Venom symbiote.

>>88007251
>Flash was probably killed so that edgy faggot could take his place
>Andi is all alone again because of this
That's just sad.

>>88007346
>Jane Foster Thor
Why would you want to see her anywhere?

>>88007349
>Flash was probably killed
I seriously doubt this.

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>>88005844

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Sandoval may not be my favorite artist
But at least he made Mania's boobs bigger

>>88007535
>Mania
>big boobs
It's shit.

>>88007535
He also made Andi looks, well, nothing like Andi at all.

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>>88007562
>Not wanting the symbiote to give you bigger boobs

>>88007640
I'm not a girl though.

>>88007655
>implying that matters

>>88007660
Trannies plz go.

>>88007690
I ask you sir, aside from weird fetish shit, what else is there to do with a symbiote?

>>88007787
Fight crime? Never be foreveralone again?

You could become the ultimate PI with its shape shifting abilities. Hell, you could use it to become a suave chick magnet. Get creative.

>>88007535
I like how Sandoval draws Mania's mouth and teeth (though that page you posted probably isn't the best example). Maybe it's because of the long teeth? Speaking of teeth, did anyone notice how they were always visible during Space Knight? In Agent Venom they only came out while Mania was angry or was in combat.

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>>88007887
I know, I was just fuckin with ya.

You'd basically be a ninja crossed with Darkman which would be pretty fuckin awesome, unless we're going for the whole "heightened aggression" thing, in which case I'd probably end up a horribly overpriced assassin.

Hopefully I get to wear pic related by default.

>>88005103
Those abs

>>88007970
>In Agent Venom they only came out while Mania was angry or was in combat.

Its supposed to be a reflection of her mood. Its the idea that she was always mad because of the brand and in "berserker mode".

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>>88008015
>Hopefully I get to wear pic related by default.

Why wouldn't you be able to? The symbiote can shapeshift into whatever outfit you wanted.

Hell, they do that even when they don't get along with their hosts super well (see: Patricia Robertson, like in pic related, when she had it turn into the cowgirl-esque outfit or the the Life Foundation symbiotes).

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>>88008213
>or the the Life Foundation symbiotes

Pic related is them having their symbiotes shapeshift.

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>>88008259

>>88002907
Fuck i miss Bounce

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>>88010589

>>87989957
It says "fellatin'"

It's an edit.

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>>88013045
Actually it reads " Fellatin' " it's a way to line lines with more character or an accent, for explain "Come On" would be "C'mon" or "I'm coming " would be " I'm comin' "

It's not an edit

>>88013169
No, because "fellatin'" doesn't sound anything like "filleting", especially with a Southern accent like Cletus has.

It is an edit. Fellatio is oral sex. Fellating is the act of performing fellatio. It's a fucking joke, you dense nob.

>>88013169
Write lines*

Which apparently I cannot do...

>>88013233
Just a reminder that Cletus is actually from Brooklyn in that comic, his apparent Hillbilly roots didn't become a thing until around 13 to 15 years after this comic was made. I'm pretty sure you're just reading that wrong anon.

>>88013234
If you genuinely thought I was talking about the lack of a "g" at the end and not the fact that he says the word FELLATING, you're a bigger fucking moron than I thought.

It's a goddamn edit.

>>88013303
Unfortunately we don't seem to have an unedited copy of that page, so right now I have to disagree and believe that you are just reading it wrong anon. Seems like it's too elaborate of an edit for a single line dick joke.

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>>88013398
Eat shit.

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>>88013444
Well hot damn, them trips don't lie, alright anon, you're totally right today, I'm completely wrong. That was a very good edit though.

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Lately I can't stop day dreaming/dreaming of having a symbiote.

The concept is just so awesome.

It's gonna happen for real right guys? R-right?

>>88007349
Please don't say that anon :(

>>87998619
>we're probably going to get flashback scenes before the symbiote got separated, making us feel even more sad, not only at what happened but what could have been

>>87993052

Toxin makes Venom, Carnage and Scream almost utterly pointless as long as you are willing to respond to his questions, with only Carnage's molecular bind and emotional control being the only perks Toxin lacks but with an awful handicap.

Anyway, best choice is Anti-Venom followed by Toxin, then Scorn/Hybrid if you have a use for their utility gimmicks (hacker/multitasker)

>>87998731
>Fresh, All New Venom sounds better than Space Knight
It's worse.

Opinions on Toxin? I kinda want to see him having another run at heroics, but right now being bonded to Brock might be the safest place from the maws of the writers that killed Pat and Hybrid.

Anyone have a recommended reading list? I've not read Venom since the days of Lethal Protector.

>>88015585
I would pick Scorn because I love the idea of a symbiote that can manipulate technology, but the stern personality is what keeps me from it. I don't mind not having a perfect 100% match of a symbiote, but I like to goof around and joke a lot.

I probably wouldn't be as much of a joker as Spider-Man, but I'm not constantly serious or whatever.

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I remember the cover of this feeling rough like a sandpaper on certain editions. So I can't help but think the symbiote might feel the same way.

>>88005191
All of them are here too.

http://bizarnage.tumblr.com/post/140115524180/complete-collection-of-venom-90s-comics

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Anti-Venom best venom!

>>88014028
>The concept is just so awesome.
Of course

>>88016993
I miss him

>>88016993
>>88018192

>"Hey you know how antibodies work in a way that allows their use in medicine by easily replicating them at industrial levels with a small starting sample?"
>"Well fuck that method lol, we're gonna suck you dry"

Wew

>>88015643
I disagree, I think it's still too early to say if the current Venom comic is better or worse than SK was, but then I'm not a cosmic kind of guy, so I'm not going to enjoy SK as much as some other anons might.

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>>88018448

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So how strong is Toxin exactly? He brutally and utterly fucked Venom's shit up in one to one combat.

Flash mentioned that Toxin was too strong, but was it a difference on experience and level of symbiosis or actual powerlevel difference between symbiotes?

Is Venm really getting old and weak, therefore helpless against his descendants?

everybody who hates the issue are missing the point. they're turning the venom trope on it's head

instead of venom using and manipulating the host into doing bad or questionable things and giving into violent savage nature it's the host corrupting venom and forcing it to do these things

this is because venom has actually developed as a character with flash and become "good" hence why it sought out lee who was a soldier so they can do"great things"

the comic will be about flash trying to track down and save the symbiote, brock probably trying to kill it and mac trying to get it back for evil while the new guy tries to enslave it and use it for his own devices... you AREN'T supposed to like lee/new venom becausse lee is the villain who has venom basically kidnapped youre supposed to root for the symbiote venom is the protagonist and lee is the antagonist in the series

it's a complete role reversal of symbiote/host dynamic that makes sense based on the development the symbiote had with flash and i'm interested in seeing where it goes

>>88020924
tldr; if you don't like the new series it's probably because it's over your head

>>88020951
It's not really that, it's just that most people here seem to forget that it's just issue 1, we'll know if the series is good or not by issue 3 or 5

>>88022529
>>88022548
>>88022556
>>88022566
>>88022575
>>88022588
>>88022598
>>88022614
>>88022629
>>88022642
OP here. Just wanted to say thanks for the storytime.

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>>88022656
You welcome anon, just posting this issue because of toxin new design.

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>>88022664
>>88022677
I see. Looks very Agent Venom-like.

Now I've haven't been reading Carnage (but am thinking about reading it now that I'm done with Agent Venom and Space Knight). Does Brock still hate Flash? Because if he does it'd be pretty ironic of him to imitate his look (though then again maybe Brock just knows style when he sees it).

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>>87989365

>>88020162
Toxin is stronger than Venom. It also depends on the host. If Eddie with Toxin fought an alien who could lift 100 tons but with Venom, Venom would win.

Also symbiotes grow more powerful, so current Venom could probably beat past Toxin, but present Toxin will pretty much always be more powerful than present Venom.

Also i assume Scorn is around the same strength as Toxin due to being Carnage's spawn.

>>88020162
Well I think originally, each spawn was supposed to be stronger than the last, but Venom is usually predicted as just as strong as Carnage (Though Carnage seems to be more durable)

Also, wasn't Toxin like the 100th generation of Venom's line? That might have something to do with his strength.

>>88006263
>She-Venom: Attorney At Law

>>88007346
Fuck that! I'd rather see Mania become Thor.

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>>87992958
>What would you do with a symbiote? What would you look like?
Basically I'd become one of my favorite video game protagonists (before he became a crazy asshole).

>>88007535
>he made Mania's boobs bigger
I hate that people like you exist. I like big breasts as much as the next guy but I also highly value VARIETY. Big tits across the board is boring.

>>88005142
Why not just bust through the wall?

>>88024071
This

>>88023645
I'm still mad at Prototype 2. Fucking bullshit. Alex wasn't an edgelord in 1, no matter what people say. Yet that's all he is in 2. Just "mwahaha, I'm gonna take over the world, or no reason whatsoever, and I'm gonna empower you with the same things I have... for no reason either." I know the writing isn't the highlight in these games, but the writing in 1 is far superior to 2. In 1 there's this gray and gray morality going on, but in 2 its so starkly black and white I swear it was made for babies.

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>>87993052
Symbiote - Anti-Venom
Abilities - Shapeshifthing, Tendrills, Strenght
Companions - Bro, Reporter, Hero
Drawbacks - Menace!, Strong Willed Other

>>87993052
Man all of these options look really cool I don't know which-

>Scream
Damn fetish option wins again for me. Time to be the plaything of a vain genderbending possibly yandere space alien.

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>

Would you rather have a symbiote for yourself or have someone close to you (your best friend or your couple) have it?

>>88027876
Myself and then give my friend the spawn. If my friend got a symbiote instead i hope he would do the same for me

>>88023476
I want this so much.

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>>88004892
The throb on mah dick for Scorn is not sexual; well not all of it. The first half is for the scientific possibilities the other half...

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What would a symbiote suit typically feel like?

>>88028194
Pudding.

>>88028194
To the wearer or to someone else?

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I actually grew to somewhat like the Space Knight look in the Thompson run despite hating it when it was first revealed. I don't know why, maybe the change in art style?

>>88028234

I would assume to the wearer it would feel no different from their own skin, being a part of them and all. I guess when it's mimicking clothing or armor (e.g. Agent Venom), it feels like whatever clothing it is until it starts moving around.

To someone else, it's probably leathery or rubbery. like flesh, but "wrong" somehow.

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>>88028194
I think it has to feel like a transformation.

Everything inside you changes, your body parts, your organs, your bones and muscles... It depends on the way artists represent it too, but more like wearing a suit over your skin maybe it's like the symbiote combining with your flesh, completly altering your organism.

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>venom will never literally become peter's obsessive ex-girlfriend

>>88028332
>>88028394
Well consider the fact that Peter Parker had, literally, no idea that he was wearing a living creature. I imagine that while its fully shapped around the host's body, it just feels like, well, a full body suit. In Peter's case, it felt like cloth. Probably some kind of spandex or something.

For others, like Brock, I imagine it feels like a rubber suit or something similar.

Of note, though, in Venom: The Hunted, after Venom gets blasted with the Xenophage's paralytic substance, Brock notes that he feels like he is in a "wet straitjacket".

To other people (i.e. if someone touched a person wearing a symbiote), I imagine it would be much the same. In Peter's case, it just resembled cloth. In Brock's (and subsequent hosts), I always pictured something like Rhino or Elephant hide.

>>88028629
Forgot to mention that in its "slime" form, I imagine it probably looks and feels like wet acrylic paint.

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>>88028629
I get that Peter's case is different. The symbiote felt like a suit to him because apart of making him stronger it did not transform his body like Brock. For example; Peter did not have his teeth or tongue like Venom and his body and musculation didn't grew.

But for Brock, apart of feeling like a rubber suit (which I think is reasonable), won't he feel something more with his body having claws, his sharped teeth and his tongue?

>>88028890
>because apart of making him stronger it
That is only in the animated series. Never happened in the comics.

>>88028890
>won't he feel something more with his body having claws, his sharped teeth and his tongue?

I imagine its something like super high quality movie prosthetics to the host. But with extra stuff (i.e. the ability to taste through the tongue, etc).

>>88028257
The Design was nice.

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>>88020162

I'm not sure if I like Toxin being a mass of spaghetti, but then again it works to make him more than Carnage with black pants.

Though it seems Marvel thought the same thing and changed it for a red eyed symbiote in the Carnage run. Not sure if it was because they thought it looked better or because they really needed him to stand out on a sea of mini Carnages.

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>>88028257

It was the proportions to me. The original Space Knight Venom had gorilla arms and a weird hunched stance. The new art gave him more humanlike proportions and posture. He was still pretty beefy, but not nearly as much as before.

It's all still a lot better than Flash's original "space Venom" look.

>>88025683
>There will never be an actual sequel with Alex
>He'll never go on a wild ride to find where Pariah is
>We'll never witness how bad of a situation it will be if Alex (Zeus) and Pariah meet

>>88028394
>>88028629
>>88028890
As I remember well, there is a What If? story where the whole Secret Wars (the original one where Spider-Man gets his suit) lasted much, much longer and Peter fused so hard with the suit that he became it.

He was reduced to goo around his own skeleton.

>>88029853
Agreed RIP Radical.

>>88030442
We can blame ActiVision for this.

Who was responsible for the plot of Prototype?

Was it purely Radical's idea, or did ActiVision told them to do so?

>>88030955
Activision , for setting those Sale goals to high.

>>88031581
Darn.

They are currently as bad as EA.

Just look what the latter did to Dead Space and Visceral in general.

>>87989417
It's the guy that wrote goddamn web warriors? No wonder it's fucking trash.
Goddamnit marvel, do you not have one decent writer to put on this anymore?

>>88032260
Such a fun What If story.

>>88032170
So I've never read Web Warriors, though from what I've seen people say on her about are:
1) It's bad.
2) Mayday apparently spends most of the series making sandwiches?

Like the premise for the series does make it look like it would be fun or interesting but I guess it just fails in the writing and execution?

>>88032381
Its bad because not much happens at all in its 15 issues. They fight some Electros and that's basically it.

And because for a "team of Spider-People" book, it has a HUGE emphasis on Spider-Gwen.

Also, yes Mayday gets shoved off to some rando universe with Spider-UK and they sit around doing fucking nothing for half of those 15 issues. Yes, they literally show her making sandwiches for a bunch of her scenes during this.

>>88032396
Oh how I miss sexy 90s Firestar. Just missing the sweat leather jacket in this.

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>>88032543
>If the avengers help, they make everything worse

heh

>>88032583
Isn't that usually what happens?

>>88032527
>Oh how I miss sexy 90s Firestar. Just missing the sweat leather jacket in this.
This

>>88005960
I just got volume 2.
It's excellent.

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>>88032691

>>88020162
Shalvey best symbiote artist.

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>>88032902
That's not Clayton Crain.

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>>88032902
I really wish we could've gotten Mike Del Mundo to do the interiors to Carnage.

>>88022664
>>88022677
I got so fucking hype when I got to these pages.
This is the best carnage series.

>>88032919
I love Crain's stuff in general, but I cannot stand how he does the Venom logo.

>>88032873
Thank you

>>88020162
I like to think its rattle snake rules, the younger ones open with all their strength at the cost of tearing up the host, until they mellow out with age and prefer to go for healing and managing their abilities for prolonged fights

>>88032873
Leather Jackets over suits or armors are always awesome.

Why the hell people don't make characters with such things anymore?

40K had Eldar with Leather Jackets and Longcoats over their Wraithbone Armors.

Hell, the 3rd ED Codex Eldar Grav-Platform Support Team had Longcoats and Jackets over their armors and looked metal and much, much less faggy.

Now Eldar are only loincloth and togas.

Rangers don't count, since it's their standard uniform and it's not so awesome.

>>88032381
Also the art for it, ESPECIALLY the art for the secret wars mini is fucking trash.

>>88032543
And how did SS get better after that one?

>>88032919
I don't like Crain actually. Too stylized, too 3D looking. It looks like he does his work on a computer, whereas Shalveys' stuff looks more hand drawn.

>>88032937
Now that I can get behind. I like his covers even better than Shalveys' interiors. Shame he's only doing covers.

>>88001629
And now I give a shit!
What? They was good games.

>>88028616
Still sad...

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>>88001629
Yet without Darklings.

>>88034214
Originally it was a comic book series.

Got two games and Starbreeze ain't doing a sequel...yet.

Pity because the 2nd game ended with a cliffhanger.

>>88035365
Some of the original, developers left StarBreeze. MachineGames, is a Swedish video game developer based in Uppsala, Sweden. It was founded in 2009 by Fredrik Ljungdahl, Jerk Gustafsson, Jens Matthies, Jim Kjellin, Kjell Emanuelsson, Magnus Högdahl and Michael Wynne, who were all key members of Starbreeze Studios. All members previously worked on The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay (2004) and The Darkness (2007).

>>88035648
Darn.

So the chances for a Darkness III look extremely bleak.

>>88035729
Digital extreme made the second, maybe they will make a third https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Extremes

>>88035900
Too busy making mountains of money from warframe

>>88036066
Oh Well

>>88028194
It feels like garbage
No
Seriously somebody described it as a garbage like substance

>>88036315
Wet garbage or damp uncooked beef i think it has been described, perhaps bias as to who said it and who was wearing the symbiote though

>>88023049
No mention. Though it would be nice if Toxin looks up to him.

>>88028194

I'd assume something akin to raw meat or a sort of jelly.

>>88033835
He didn't. It was a what-if, which means he died for realsies.

>>88034757
Agreed

>>87993052
>symbiote
Toxin.
>Abilities
Natural weapons.
Strength.
Regeneration.
Tendrils.
>Companions
Vigilante.
Sidekick.
>Drawback
Menace!
R8 or h8.

>>88038473
Good

>>88038473
Nice. Similar to what I would choose.