Moana Thread

god damn was this movie good

ok.. how was it? I still have to see it

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>>87982190
Tightest Disney movie this decade. All the story quality of movies like WiR and Zootopia while keeping the dumb fun of Frozen and Tangled.

>>87982235
What about the songs? I mean I listened to some of them but how did they feel in the movie?

>>87982286
Much better in the actual movie, but do yourself a favor and go to the 12.50 ticket theater in your town rather than the 10.25 dollar ticket one.

The sound quality is really testy with Moana's voice and if you don't have good surround sound she sometimes gets drowned out by the instrumentals of her own songs.

It's a little Jew-y on Disney's part. If you don't care so much about moana's actual voice and go to the cheaper theater, Maui's song and Tamatoa's song are still fine because of how deep the guys voices are.

>tfw sexist sound mixer

>>87982286
You're Welcome is my favorite but How Far I'll Go gets stuck in my head the most. All the songs are good though.

>>87982143
Just got out of it.
It was very okay. I can't remember anything being standout that I really liked.
The reason I was so excited about it was Lin-Manuel Miranda's involment but the songs didn't live up to my expectations.

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Enjoyed it much more than Frozen or Tangled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UpGDU9kFho

Best song coming through

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generic. only shiny and you welcome were fun songs.

but this is princess move, what to expect?

>>87982359
I think it's because of the "good" songs being stretched out into so many reprises.

Like, if Moana's song was condensed it would have been a great song rather than the three nice and dramatic punchy songs that t turned into.

How did it look? Lots of water effects porn?

>>87982475
That's not I Am Moana

>>87982492
Water porn is pretty much endless from the beginning to end. Color porn in general too.

>>87982535
Noice. I'm not a big fan of musicals or princess movies but I liked the looks of the trailers.

Soooooo... Maui used magic to hypnotize Moana into hallucinating, right?

I kinda need a concensus on this for some reasons that I can't disclose.

>>87982564
I am interested in this too.

>>87982475
I hated Frozen and I loved Moana. This is on par with if not better than Tangled.

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>>87982564
>Maui never gave her the demidick

>>87982564
Maui appeared to only posess superhuman strength and stamina. The rest of his abilities came from the hook.

>>87982564
She did look surprised when she realized she was holding rocks.

>>87982664
Maui literally says she's 8 years old...even though she appears to be at least 12 or 13.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERZqkUqw-xg

>>87982681
You need to watch "you're welcome" again.

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>>87982701
He was just teasing her.

I don't think she has a confirmed age yet, but she looks to be around in the 15-18 range.

>>87982732
Ron and John said she was 16 in a couple of interviews.

>>87982564
I thought he was just so charismatic that she didn't even notice what was happening.

>>87982190
Saw it last night, and it's a solid 8/10 in my book. Maybe even an 8.5/10

There's a couple nitpicky things that may be more personal taste than anything, but the music is really good and the scenery design is great. Moana and Maui have a great chemistry together

>>87982564
>>87982664
Moana is pure as the clearest water!

>>87982681
Yeah, that's why I'm against the hypnotizing idea. I assumed it was more her being pulled into Maui's story/song, like someone would get drawn into a movie or a book. With charisma and a couple props, a guy like Maui can own the room without any magic.

How was the lava witch? If necessary give me some spoilers, I don't care

>>87982820
I dunno man. The rest of the movie is played pretty straight.

Moana was definitely under ~some~ kind of spell during that sequence if the song graphics made their way in one form into the "real" world.

>>87982945
>Moana fonds the island of the dog men
>strikes it from the charts

>Hooray, a real Moana thread!
>the first new topic of conversation is whether or not Maui used magic on Moana on the song sequence

I know it's for fetish fags, but I'll still take this talking point over the /pol/ invasion going on in the Maui costume thread.

I'm surprised no one's gotten offended by the retarded chicken yet. Even though he's my favorite animal companion so I'm not exactly complaining. I've had brain damaged pets in the past so it was kind of charming for me, especially how genuinely Moana seemed to care about him despite how useless he was.

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>I have crossed the horizon to find you

>>87982932
I'd say there was something there. Maybe not Maui messing with Moana's mind per se, but doing something with the surroundings? His tattoos? I just wouldn't put it past him because he is a trickster god after all.

So everybody's being super positive, but I wasn't a big fan. Spoilers ahead.

The movie's plot was far too similar to Tangled, so much so that it makes Frozen look original in comparison, and that felt too formulaic. The relationship between Maui and Moana was indistinguishable form Rapunzel and Flynn or Anna and Kristoff, so I don't know why they even took out the romance element.

My main problem though wasn't that actually, but rather the story just felt like it ran out of steam after the first 30 minutes or so. The tension regarding Moana wanting to leave the island was built up much more than the actual story's conflict, with the heart, so when she left it felt like the main conflict was resolved. And it certainly didn't help that most of the stuff in between meeting Maui and reaching the lava monster was basically just filler. On top of that, at the end it felt like Maui was kind of useless, since Moana herself beat the lava monster. So I do think there were some scriptwriting issues here that weren't in Tangled and Frozen.

And lastly, kind of petty, but I didn't like Moana's voice actress. I know she was young but she was kind of screechy at certain points and dull at other points, and I think it hurt the comedy.

What I did like was how vibrant and detailed the movie was, from the animation to the music. It was clear this movie had more money and time funneled into it than past Disney efforts.

>>87983084
He just rolled a 20 on his bluff check, that's all.

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>>87982977

>>87983203
So fast.

>>87983189
I would but I'm just saying that there wasn't any mention of fruit when he gave the rocks to moana.

>>87983032
I was legit surprised that the chicken worked for me. I thought the pig was going to be on the journey though, so I was surprised he got left behind.

>>87983398
Yeah, the trailer was a big red herring.

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>>87983442

arent they always?

>>87983451
>dat angry Heihei

That being said, it wasn't as if the pig wasn't part of the movie.

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>>87983495
I wonder why they decided to go with just the chicken instead of the pig and chicken.

I'm glad they got rid of the pig. I hate that pig.

>>87983560
It doesn't even do anything?

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>>87983535
im sick of these "last minute rewrites" , neither of the pet sidekicks did much to the plot.

>>87983566
Pua almost convinced Moana to stay on the island.

>>87983566
It's generic cute animal with the brain of a dog. I'm so sick of those. The retarded chicken was a refreshing change.

>>87983535
Because it wouldn't have been JUST the pig and the chicken. It would have been the pig, the chicken, the ocean and Maui's living tattoo.

That's a lot of non-human characters.

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>>87983637
oh shit, ocean and maui's conscience.

the pets are only there to sell fucking toys.

>>87983495
I wonder if they would have cast a name actor as the pig, like they did with Hei Hei

>>87983694
I think they also wanted an excuse to not have a male and a female character be completely alone together on screen for 45 minutes. It wouldn't have bothered me but I imagine a lot of "feminists" and "concerned parents" would have phoned in.

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>>87983794

i think that's bullshit.
btw. where was that fucking kakamora song??

>>87983813
Just imagine the theme from Mad Max: Fury Road playing during that scene.

>>87983495
Maui giant fish hook looks like a weapon of a manga character.

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>>87983922

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Anyone else a little disappointed that Moana didn't get a tattoo herself at the end? I figured that she would have gotten the Heart of Te Fiti swirl on her back or something. Plus every other adult on the island had one, including her mother, and by the end, she's considered an adult, so it's a bit jarring that she's the only one.
It's Disney though, so I fully expect that they wouldn't let their marketable princess character have tattoos.

>>87983964
Maybe she did at the end scene with all the boats but that part of her skin never faced the camera.

DUUUUUUHHHH

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was there a single good joke?

somehow the chicken didnt do it for me.

>>87984032
A little ashamed of myself, but Maui pissing into Moana's hand got a full laugh out of me.

>>87984032
The ocean getting completely sick of Hei Hei's shit and locking him in the boat got me.

>>87983979
She doesn't have one. They absolutely would have blocked the scene differently, so that they could briefly show it, if they had gone to trouble to give her one.
Also, typing this reminded me that Pocahontas had a tattoo, so it's even more odd that Moana doesn't have any.

>>87984230
Nigga I bet she has an ass tattoo.

>>87984032
Maui's ABSOLUTE MADMAN moments always made me laugh. The chicken made me laugh too even though they were basic jokes. His expressionless face got to me. Also Moana's "um, WHAT?" at the ocean was pretty funny.

>>87984095
*so* much this.

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If Know Who You Are isn't your favorite climax to a Disney film, get the fuck out

>>87984427

*yawn*

Shiny is the best song

as corny as it sounds, this movie was just overflowing with disney magic
>flashback to moana's ancestors
>grandma dying and her spirit passing underneath moana's boat
>dat CLIMAX
best revival film, though it's hard to compare it with zootopia considering they're so different, and they both pushed the envelope regarding animation technology

>>87984681
Moana is the most "Disney spirit" of the two. Zootopia could easily be a DreamWorks film, although it's still a good movie and I'm not saying it isn't.

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>>87984572
Get out

>>87983794
More likely, it was just to give the characters something to interact with besides each other, since there were stretches without much "environment".

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And the call isn't out there at all
It's inside me
It's like the tide, always falling and rising
I will carry you here in my heart
You'll remind me
That come what may, I know the way
I am Moana!

>>87984032
The chicken screaming got a laugh out of me.
The ocean getting sick of him and locking him in the boat worked as well.
Also
>Grandma's "NOPE"
> Maui's repeated attempts at just tossing Moana off the boat
>"I"M STILL FAAAAAALLIIIIIING!"
>"In SONG FORM!"
>"It's getting warmer!"

>>87983964
>>87984230
Probably has something to do with her being 16 and Disney not wanting to influence young girls to start getting tattoos.

Because you know they would.

>>87984032
>Oh, I see.
>She coated a barnacle in bioluminescent algae as a di-ver-cion.

So what was in the post credit scene?

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>face

>>87985091
Maui's hook is revealed to be an Infinity Stone.

>>87985091
The crab is still stuck on his back, bemoaning the fact that all his shininess didn't help him. He asks the audience for help, then chastises them, saying if he was Sebastian they'd happily help him.

>>87983959
Aa grown man the same size as the rock irl I will walk into toys r us and buy this.

>>87985132
>Moana will return in Avengers 2: Age of Baymax

>>87985137

>Sebastian

i doubt anyone would get the reference.

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>>87985319
Do you live in a world where nobody has seen The Little Mermaid?

>>87985091
Moana and everyone else cruises into the bay of San Fransokyo.

>>87985337
Confirmed. I will buy this.

>>87985091
Hank the septopus decks maui in the face, destroys the boats, and kills the entire main cast. He then screeches "PIXAR IS KING" and committing brutal on screen suicide with Maui's hook.

>>87985360

adults maybe, but right now i dont think kid's even know about the redhead fish.

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Te Fiti concept art

>>87985529

noice, reminds me of Lava song

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>>87985529

>>87985529
Funny how the lava monster concept art made her look like an old hag type.

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Early Maui plus the pig and chicken are both there

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Tamatoa hasn't always been this glam

>>87984032
>pick= Pick an eye. Just pick one.

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>>87983922
Are giant fish hooks like this a real thing?

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CONSIDER THE COCONUT

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>>87985529

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>>87985759

guess they made it bigger to sell it as merch.

"legendary" thing is rather small.

>>87985605
So, the rooster was originally gonna be Moana's "Sebastian" (Aka caretaker-like figure who meant well but was way too worrying and upset.) but everytime they tried it didn't sit well with test screenings so eventually they made him dumb.

>>87985859

you mean, the annoying "voice of reason".

kids today...

>>87985529
>>87985574
I can't wait for the Moana/Te Fiti lewd fics

>>87985859
That's good, I don't think she needed a character like that.

>>87985859
>(Aka caretaker-like figure who meant well but was way too worrying and upset.)

No, he was originally an asshole.

>The character Heihei was sort of this big macho character with attitude. He was kind of like the watchdog for Moana’s father, the chief, always keeping an eye on the young woman. He was also very judgmental, often being mean to Moana for no real reason. You can probably see why the character may not have worked in this context.

>>87985470
Sure they do. Their parents are all 90s kids and 90s kids are nostalgiafags.

>>87985470
>but right now i dont think kid's even know about the redhead fish.
>kids don't know about a character Disney markets out the ass

hahahahahahaahahahaha

>>87985907
This. Only rewrites that bothered me were the rewrites to Shiny which was a bit darker in the original.

>>87986047
How dark did it get?

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I have to say, I like that the pig wasn't included very much in the movie. I'm a little tired of the loyal and cutesy critter some Disney princesses get. He seemed to really just be in it to get a few more toys out of the movie.

The rooster wasn't a deep, complex character or anything, but it was nice to at least have the one character trait of stupidity.

>>87983560
BUT CUTE

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>>87986088
desu i want a plush of the pig now
also, checked

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>>87985529
>>87985574
Firebird is the best Fantasia segment

>>87982143
I like the Rock

The Rock is my favourite wrestler mans

How is he at voice acting?

>>87984032

>you wear a dress and an animal sidekick, so you're a princess

>>87985319

you doubt anyone has seen one of the most iconic disney movies ever?

>>87986074
It's mainly the rewrite of the verses where he is fighting Maui
It takes about how no matter what he does its never enough and how he feels empty inside.
Also the 2nd chorus that was rewritten wasn't as good as the original imo
Also no use of "hieny"
https://youtu.be/DnOUgFjs9sg
There is the demo of one of the early versions if you want to listen.

>>87986271
Pretty good. He's not a bad actor overall.

>>87986271
Pretty good. There's a reason he's one of the only wrestler thats made a career in Hollywood. He's a jack of all talents.

>>87986074
dif but, here's the major difference

I will shine, shine, shine
Like a rainbow after showers
Your powers will be mine, mine, mine
They'll be mourning you for hours
Bring flowers

and

Far from the gods who abandoned you
Chasing the love of these humans who made you feel wanted
It's never enough
Love yourself, get your armor up
They can't see your heart is a vacancy

>>87983959
Is it bad that I was reminded of the vibrating harry potter broomsticks and tried vaguely to imagine how this would be used for masturbation?

>>87985605
I was surprised the marketable pig didn't tag along, but also not surprised. It would have added nothing.

>>87986404
Wow, Lin Manuel did not do a good rendition of that number.

>>87986600
Saw one at Walmart today. Pretty cool. If you push the necklace it delivers a line.

Should More have been in the movie?
https://youtu.be/WGtjl5YbPdQ

>>87986674
He was hamming it up to sound like a comedic villian of David Bowie.

>>87986674
It seems to be a very rough demo, I'm surprised they'd put it on the soundtrack. Just listen to those instruments.

His Bowie impression is at the very least an A for effort

>>87986706
Would have been redundant.

>>87986706
It's not a bad song, but it fills the same purpose as How Far I'll Go, which I think is the better song.

>>87986706
Some things I like more with... More and other things I like with HFIG. More is almost too "stage/Broadway" for the place it would have been in the film, and structurally similar to Where You Are.

I do like how it incorporated the We Know the Way motif, though. And the reprise has some great moments

>we practiced all the names of everyone who came before me
>warriors, voyages, ancestors in our line
>their blood runs in mine

Shame they got rid of the idea of the grandmother teaching Moana about the importance of remembering her ancestors as a constant of their relationship, rather than a reveal right before she dies. I thought they would keep it, considering the "To know where you are going, you have to know where you have been" motif.

>>87986706

this could be the next Let It Go

>>87986912

hmm.. on second thought. i was wrong, not enough power in it.

Overall:
Moana > Frozen > Tangled

Animation:
Moana > Frozen >Tangled

Plot:
Tangled > Frozen > Moana

Characters:
Frozen > Tangled > Moana

Music:
Frozen > Moana > Tangled

Setting:
Moana > Tangled > Frozen

Waifus:
Frozen > Moana > Tangled

Long-lasting value:
Moana > Frozen > Tangled

Fight me.

>>87986912
It's far more Moana's version of the song Belle from Beauty and the Beast.

>>87986088
I was 100% expecting the pig to go on the trip with them.
I was pleasantly surprised.

>>87986706
>Should More have been in the movie?
It's too much like Belle from Beauty and the Beast. I keep expecting Gaston to bust in and say JUST WATCH I'M GOING TO MAKE BELLE MY WIIIIIFE!

Anybody have a good stream/torrent/download for it yet?

I've watched it three times in the cinema already but nobody is made of money.

>>87984681
>>87984731
I think they might be the best films so far, but to be honest, I still hope Zootopia gets a sequel.

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>>87987017
>Tangled
Who?

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>>87987226
>three times

>>87982235
I think Zootopia is better, because it had much better pacing and the story was a little more interesting to me. Not to mention it was something familiar, but involved concepts not really done at Disney before. I enjoyed Moana, but the beginning was pretty slow for me.

That said, I like Moana more than Frozen, if only for Maui. He is probably the best Disney character by far this decade so far. And people on here seem to hate Big Hero 6 but I'd count that at least equal to Moana, maybe a little more for me because I love the aesthetic of San Fransokyo

>>87983959
I foresee much Road Hog cosplay in the future.

>>87987268

After the failure of the Princess and the Frog, Disney decided to rename their movies so they're not very "princessy" , that's why Rapunzel = Tangled and Snow Queen = Frozen

>>87987403
No see, I was joking about Tangled being unremarkable and not aging well since its release.

>>87983148
I imagine /co/ will be more critical about it in the coming months. That's just how shit goes.

I totally relate in that, while I thought this movie was good, I'm not as enthusiastic about it as everyone on here seems to me. And that's fine, I just think calling it "the best Disney movie this decade", for example, is pushing it a little too far.

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>>87987251
>sequel

>>87987276

What? It's a good movie.

>>87987017
Where does WiR fall in those? Or are we only talking about the princess films?

>>87987486
As the highest-grossing animated feature Disney's had since Frozen, and having set up a frankly huge world, Zootopia is pretty much locked for a sequel.

>>87987017
>Frozen having better music than Moana

get the fuck out

>>87987570
I'm sure it's in production as we speak.

>>87982235
So it sucks

>>87987570
>>87987597

if anything, WiR 2 is in production right now, and Gigantic. we'll know everything at the next D23.

>>87987590
Frozen had the potential to use indigenous Scandinavian inspired music, but they dropped the ball hard. Moana took way more advantage of that than Frozen did.

SHINEEYY

>>87987680
My favorite song, to be honest

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>>87982143
>born in Hawaii
>move away as a baby and barely remember it
>parents told me stories of the islands, how beautiful they were, all the things we did as a family
>even my ABC books and such were Hawaiian themed
>live my life with these stories of where I come from and where I was told I belong
>graduate college
>parents surprise me with a trip to Hawaii, all expense paid thanks to a sudden business trip my dad was going on
>It's the most beautiful place I have ever see
>the purest blue and green waters you have ever seen, pure white sand, the temperature was perfect, the food was everywhere and all of it was amazing, the days were gorgeous and there was always a rainbow in view
>stand on the beach and realize I was standing in the exact spot where I had my very first memory
>at that moment I felt like I was truly where I was meant to be
>that was the happiest moment of my entire life
>fast forward a few months later to yesterday
>go see Moana in IMAX because I want to FEEL that shit
>oh my god that's exactly what it all looked like
>the color of the water, the deep green plants, the perfect sand
>all of those memories start flooding back
>start bawling in the theater, something I've never done before
>never quite stop throughout the course of the film

And that's the story of how animated water made me cry

10/10

>>87987702
That was beautiful

> Oh, I see, she rubbed glowing moss onto this stone to trick me

Has any previous Disney movie had this many self-aware jokes? Really didn't care for them, they took me out of the movie.

>>87987702
Okay.

So why don't you move back?

Is it because you're white?

>>87987745
Weren't there only two? I admit, I laughed at the bioluminescence one.

>>87987017
>Music:
>Frozen > Moana > Tangled
Delete your 4chan account

>>87987806
There were at least a half-dozen jokes making fun of what the movie was doing.

> Maui saying every princess has an animal sidekick
> the ocean shutting hei-hei in the boat

and so on.

>>87987702
>born in Alaska

>Frozen is the snowland disney movie
>it's shit

feels bad man

>>87982235
I feel like the fact that the pig is in all the damn promotional stuff, but is in about 4 minutes of the movie is a bit dishonest feeling.

>>87987702
Nice blog post
I mean that unironically. I'm happy knowing it affected you so deeply.

>>87987702
Fuuuuck.
That happened to me in HtTYD... I had been to Norway once, with my family, and - yeah, the sea and sky and village triggered my scandinavian heritage something fierce.

>>87987865

arent they studying some suni/sumi culture for the sequel?

>>87987787
It's funny you mention that, after visiting i've made it my mission to somehow find my way back.

All I need is a teaching degree and the government will pay for me to fly over there and teach computers and IT to kids.

Also unrelated, what's the pig's name? I didn't catch it in the film so I'm going to assume his name is "Kalua" for the sake of giggles.

>>87987866
Well its still her pet and she cares about it. It almost dying is what makes her afraid of the ocean until her grandma talks to her. It has a kind of important role to play in the plot.
Also its terrified of the water.

>>87985529
wow who drew this, do they have a tumblr?

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>>87987912
pua

>>87987638
This. The music is so god damned bland and has no inspiration from its setting outside of the opening song and thats only barely.
Most Disney movies are usually good about this and use music congruent with the settings. And yet fucking Frozen of all the good musicals is the most popular.

>>87987930
Did you read the post? Its concept art.

>>87987866
Im glad for it. Dont need two character relief animal side kicks

>>87988040

we got three

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>>87987930
Disney artist Ryan Lang: http://ryanlangdraws.tumblr.com/

only one Moana art on this tumblr though

>>87988050
Are you counting the ocean itself?

>>87987866
I think that's because it was originally there the whole journey, and then it got left on the island during one of the rewrites, but they start the toy production early in the process. I think it was less of a 'trick audience into buying shit' and more of a production snafu

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>>87988065
this lava monster concept is his, too

>>87988065
thank you dude

>>87988034
not that hard autist

>>87988085
Damn now I really wish they made Te Ka look like that.

>>87987866
It's not so much dishonest as it is "movies do not get actually finished until much later than people realize, and all of the promotional material--including toys--has to be finalized well before the movie is even close to done." Hence why Hei-Hei still looks pissed in some merchandise and promo art, why the pig is there, etc.

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>>87987251
>wanting sequels for animated films

>>87985759
I remember seeing one in a museum somewhere, it was used for catching whales/sharks or something

>>87987745
I liked that joke.. And I taught a bunch of kids a new word so win/win

>>87987702
>tfw military gave my dad the choice of anywhere in the world to go to
>tfw he picked Hawaii and sold the spot off for a shitload of money so he could live in California.

Funny how shit happens.

>>87988161
They can be good as long as they keep the same writers involved and don't slash the budget.

>>87982143
It felt like it was missing something. Zootopia felt complete, like you couldn't add or take away anything or it would fail. Moana needed something

>>87988985
Like what? It was a pretty good execution of the heroes journey. Did you want a kiss at the end?

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SHINY was kinda meh for me simply because I didn't like the actor's singing voice, it needed to be more boisterous and braggart-y than pompous and smug like pic related.

>>87982143
Great soundtrack, most generic story imaginable.

https://twitter.com/fangirlJeanne/status/802945116591689728
I found someone's review of Moana.
>Moana not having romantic relationships extends her appeal to white women who, don't look like her & won't be threatened by her sexuality.
>You are complicit in our erasure, dehumanizations, and commodification. We all are. This is what Western media does to all of us.
>We don't get to walk away from Moana. White men graffitied our home. There is no escaping it. We will make the best of it as we always do.

>>87983203
The artist should've drawn Moana in that diaper.

Come to think of it, do Moana's people even have the technology to produce those kinds of diapers? Probably not.

>moana gets a tattoo on her back of mini Maui and the heart of te fiti
Y/N?

>>87989196
I'll bet she also complains about there not being enough diversity in media.

>>87989196
Goddamn just say you ship maumoa and wish they were canon and call it a day there's no need for all this.

>>87982143
We've already had like twenty.

>>87989196
It's progressive not to have the movie end in romance and it's progressive to have a brown lead, but it's not progressive to do both at the same time?

>>87989263
https://twitter.com/fangirlJeanne/status/802936315062800385
>Especially if the brown girl is a child/has no romantic relationships. She's the perfect avatar for white folks to dress up in, like Lilo.

>YFW Know Who You Are.

>>87989233
>do native island people who wear leaves and unironically enjoy coconuts have the capability and facilities to produce synthetic materials and fibers in order to make modern diapers for erotic use

I'm gonna have to say no to that one, hot shot.

>>87983203
>someone has jerked off to this

>>87989345
https://twitter.com/fangirlJeanne/status/800813530920284161
>very steeped in racism notions about indigenous people and women of color. Moana not having a Romance is not progressive IMO.

In the past, when people shipped something that wasn't canon they would just make fanfic and fanart and enjoy their fanworks alongside canon. Not in [CURRENT YEAR]! Now it's racism if the ship you like doesn't happen.

>>87989090
>Not liking the smug, slinky voice

Well that's your opinion but I don't care for it.

Tamatoa was seriously great. Him being both deranged and an actual threat, as well as managing to shit talk Maui in one verse of his song made me love him.

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>>87989477
>one person whom i'll never meet thinks a movie I enjoy is racist due to her own preconceived notions
I think i'll just keep on enjoying my life while she can wade in her ever-filling pool of self righteous tears.

>>87989477
Moana should have married a white man who brought technology and medicine to her savage people.

https://twitter.com/fangirlJeanne/status/803003708946542592
>The fact that you think I don't like Moana sums up just how ignorant you are and that you don't want to learn. Bye now
Nigga writes two dozen tweets about how Moana is white supremacist, yet wonders why people thinks she has issues with the movie.

>>87989380
top kek

>>87989701
>You are blocked from following @fangirlJeanne and viewing @fangirlJeanne's Tweets.
I didn't even say anything to her yet.

>>87989772
you might be on one of those block lists. Congratulations.

Is Moana based off any fables?

>>87989772

Found the alt-right shitter.

>>87989912
The character Moana is.

She defeated the Roc (The bird, not the wrestler) by using the stars to navigate him to an island she knew he would die before reaching.

>>87989090

Nah. That wouldn't have fit the character nor the actual song itself. Spoken like a true moron.

>>87983148
I agree with this critique. Except that I thought Moana's voice was fine. I would probably rate this movie 7.7/10. Whereas Tangled and Frozen are both over 8.

>>87985902
I'm holding out for the Moana/Tamatoa stuff

>>87986208
>Firebird is the best Fantasia 2000 segment
Fixed for you anon

>>87989196
I don't think she buys any of this drivel. She just wants to be able to control what other people can create because she doesn't have the talent to create something herself.

DOES ANYONE HAVE A CAM RIP

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Say something nice about this guy /co/.
He's done a really great job with Moana desu.
In my humble opinion, he's the most talented composer & rapper today regardless of his meth-addicted face.

is there a mega of all the music demos included?

>>87989652
It's not just one person, it's a majority of her followers as well.

But I'm not even offended by it, I just think it's funny how she using all of these justifications for her ship salt. I've seen a couple other feminist twitters share similar thoughts. Sjw are convinced they can't just like things, there has to be a deeper political meaning behind their wish fulfillment in children's cartoons. Pointing and laughing at it makes me petty, but I'm not miserable like they are.

Though I do still pity them for being stuck in a cult that went out of fashion in 2014.

>>87990570
Included in what? They're all on Youtube, legally, for free.

>>87990271
That's pretty much it.

>>87985797
The what?

>>87982190
It was alright.
Felt more "for kids" than Zootopia or Tangled. Like, it's just a cute adventure, without any sort of complex narrative or themes or character stuff.

Girl wants to go on the sea, does so to restore a maguffin, doubts herself, gets over it, saves the day, roll credits.

Almost too simple for its own good. Amazing animation though.
Solid 7/10, it's alright.

>>87982937
Literally nothing. She's got no dialog and maybe 6-10 minutes total screen time.

>>87991479
how is Tangled more complex than Moana?

>>87990405
It's literally playing everywhere

I like the songs
They all feel like songs from Musicals, but that's okay because Musicals are literally all about music

>>87991571
What does that mean. I see clips and gifs but I want the full movie. I searched for 15 min am I just retarded

>>87991539
Tangled fans think that movie is super deep and profound. I'll never understand why.

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HHH and his daughters like Moana.
Is there any chance he might sing a villain song in a future Disney film?

>>87991668
He means in theaters. You can't spare $12 to see it?

If you're really cheap just see it for free with friends or family. That's what I did.

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>there are people itt who think Frozen was a better musical

>>87991721
No I saw it in theaters. But I just wanna see it again

>>87987017
>Implying Moana isn't the weakest in everything but animation and songs
>Implying Tangled isn't strongest in everything but songs
>Implying Frozen isn't smack in the middle for everything but music
Pretty pleb taste, gotta say.

>>87983535
fuck that pig.

I'm tired of animated movies making all their animal side kicks dog like.

Just make them a god dam dog if you want a dog.

>>87987454
Tangled holds up better now than Frozen did a few months after its release

>>87987702
That was beautiful, anon.
>We'll never get a Disney movie set in New Jersey with an all-Springsteen soundtrack

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>>87991855
but we got one set in NYC with billy joel and huey lewis

>>87991791
Tangled fans continue being delusional

>>87982235
>while keeping the dumb fun of Frozen and Tangled.
So Cringe huh? Guess i won't watch it

>>87983535
I wonder that too
Pig and chicken bring good luck to sailors. In the navy it folk lore that if you bring them sailing god will grant you mercy with calm sails. I thought they were going to do something with that concept

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Hopefully Pokermon Sun & Moon and Moana will boost Hawaii tourism and we can get our fucking super Superferry back.

I hate the government.

>>87982143
where are the fucking camrips!? I want to see this movie dammit!

>>87991539
There was just more going on there.
Rapunzel has that whole abusive relationship thing with Gothel, where she feels guilty about betraying someone who's clearly really shitty to her. So we see her come to terms with her own self-worth and realize that, even though Gothel is all she has in terms of family, it's a bad situation and she needs to value herself enough to get out.

Moana doesn't really have any character flaws; she's a self taught wayfinder who manages to get around okay even before Maui teaches her, she's shaping up to be a good chief, and she is super capable in a fight; her insecurities only come into play really after Maui leaves.
Maui was the more interesting character, since he had way more prevalent demons to face on their journey. The hook symbolizes his ego and self-worth; he believes he's only as good as the stuff he can do. And instead of seeing him overcome a thousand years of self loathing, he just shows up during the climax to help Moana out of the blue.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the Grandma sequence near the end, but the whole thing felt a bit predictable and simplified to me.
Like, the new Disney formula is REALLY visible with this one.

>>87990565
I liked In the Heights after I saw their segment during the Tony's. Damn he's come a long way since then though, and I'm glad for it because I like his stuff. I like his attitude and how happy he seems all the time to just be doing what he loves.

So anyone else feel like despite the overall movie itself being an improvement from Tangled and Frozen, Moanna herself was the weakest part of the film?

>>87990565
As a musician myself, I will say between In The Heights, Step it Up, Hamilton, and Moana, he's established himself as the best composer of ensemble songs bar none. I think where he's lacking are solo singer standards. Nearly all his songs require two performers at the least.

That being said, his solo singer stuff like "How Far I'll Go", "Burn", "Paciencia y Fe", etc. are all pretty solid

>>87992119
It's because she didn't really have an arc.
Everything just sort of worked out for her.

>>87991963
Tangled has held up better than Frozen and is already better than Moana.
They're all good, but Tangled is the best in terms of modern princess films (they're all behind Zootopia, natch)

>Disnewfags disparaging the literal savior of the classic Disney Animation Studio story
>Disnewfags unironically thinking that any of the Revival films have anything on Tangled other than updated CG

I'd quote you freaks as wanting to have your shit fucked up, but you're doing a fine job of it already.

>>87992119
Agreed. While Moana was a fine character herself, I still think Anna is the most fully realized character of the four princesses. Moana and Rapunzel both had the same amount of development, and Elsa's arc IMO is dependent on Anna's own development

>>87992187
>Tangled has held up better than Frozen
Yes
>and is already better than Moana.
Nope.

Better animation, better songs, better jerk main secondary male character. Only thing Tangled did better was have the animal mascot have an actual use in the film and even then I found the chicken comically better then the horse.

>>87992091
>Moana doesn't really have any character flaws; she's a self taught wayfinder who manages to get around okay even before Maui teaches her, she's shaping up to be a good chief, and she is super capable in a fight; her insecurities only come into play really after Maui leaves.
They make it clear prior to meeting Maui that she's not very prepared; she only met him because she got shipwrecked. She struggles with being torn between her leading her people and the sea, as well as not being prepared for either, throughout the film. Remember the dream she had where her island turned to ash? There's guilt there too

>And instead of seeing him overcome a thousand years of self loathing, he just shows up during the climax to help Moana out of the blue.
That was really my only complaint, that he just changed his mind and decided to help. But the movie was already almost two hours long so I can see how they decided not to fit some scene with him coming to terms with everything in there.

>>87987702
>born in Germany
>country full of pretty castles
>singing criminal scum in all the bars
>awesome horses
>Tangled gives me exactly that
>I almost cried a bit into my giant mug of beer.

>>87992215
Tangled was shit.

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>>87992343
They'll save it for a sequel or short film later.

>>87989796
>>87989973
I'm confused.

>>87992343
for sure, that second point is the film's greatest weakness. Maui needed to get over at least as much trauma as Moana.

>>87992890
SJW are so insecure in their beliefs that they use a block bot app that automatically blocks the followers of any accounts they don't like.

>>87982475

That's not shiny

Beginners. . .

>>87983600
Did you watch the movie?

>>87984032

If my name was Sebastian and I had a Jamaican accent you would totally help me

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>>87984427
> MFW that moment where they zoom in on Moana and fire and smoke sails past her and cuts to her back as she faces that giant lava beast, with the glowing stone in her hand. MY GOD

>>87990570
Yes. Its the first result on piratebay if you type Moana in.

>>87992091
>no character flaws
>thought she knew what was best despite no experience, resulting in Maui's hook getting fucked and them getting blown way back from their goal

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>>87991221
CONSIDER ITS TREE

>>87985636
If he had a cool Jamaican accent and a different name... would you help him?

ALSO THIS FUCKING EAR WORM! Been singing it all day...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQzAi-a9Bv8

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>duude like wtf that crab part was so random

>Born in Tokyo
>the city has already been Americanized from head to toe
>all of a sudden, Big Hero 6 came up
>the idea that San Francisco and Tokyo are fused together is kinda corny and odd
>but i liked San Fransokyo somewhat
>oh, it's Golden Gate Bridge, I clearly remember this
>because I'd been seeing this red-colored bridge many times in Full House, muh childhood favorite tv show
>it now came back as a weeboo style wtf

>>87994254
>they actually went there after the credits

>>87992187
>Tangled has held up better than Frozen
It hasn't even been a whole decade yet.

>>87994628
The fourth wall barely survived the movie... i kinda enjoyed it, maybe they could have made it more subtle or less on the nose, but still was funny.

So we have heard Adam Sandler rap and The Rock sing in a single generation....
What a time to live.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyv0ZlW0yS0

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Didn't see the movie and I still have no fucking clue:

[/spoiler]whats moana's ethnicity?

>>87995049
>whats moana's ethnicity?
Polynesian.

what was the significance of the vagina shells

>>87995271
They're pretty.

>>87982328
I thought ____Shiny_______ gets stuck in my head the most

>>87984032
>I called it "tweeting"

>>87982945
Is that a Tikbalang? It's pretty horrifying.

>>87995073
Specifically south Polynesian, probably Samoan or Tongan.

>>87992343
>They make it clear prior to meeting Maui that she's not very prepared; she only met him because she got shipwrecked. She struggles with being torn between her leading her people and the sea, as well as not being prepared for either, throughout the film. Remember the dream she had where her island turned to ash? There's guilt there too
Fair enough, I guess I would have liked to have seen it hammered in more, you know?

Like, the only person who comes down on her or gives her any opposition is her dad; her Grandma encourages her wanderlust and all the villagers sing her praises about how great she is.

Compare this to, say, Mulan, where no one BUT her dad thinks much of her. More adversity means we sympathize with the character more and want them to succeed. After she leaves, we don't see what's going on back home or how bad things are, she has no problem fighting the Kakamora and tricking Tamatoa and climbing that bigass cliff.

Her being TOO cocksure would have been an interesting angle; like, she fucks up Maui's hook because "I TOTALLY KNOW WHAT I'M DOING BECAUSE I'M THE PLUCKY HEROINE", but basically every decision she makes beforehand is a good one (or at least, a reasonable mistake without much consequence).

In Tangled, you see Rapunzel come to terms with her relationship with her "mother".
In Frozen, we see Anna gain a bit more common sense while Elsa learns to not be afraid to be herself.
In Moana, we get Maui coming to terms with his insecurities, but he's not the main character so we don't get to see the important parts of that struggle. Moana's conflict is all in the journey. She tries really hard and saves the day.

She has to choose between what she wants and what's good for her people, yes, but that's kinda a moot point since those things turn out to be one in the same. There's no choice to be made, she just gets what she wants.

I liked the movie just fine, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little disappointed by some aspects of it.

>>87985738
Absolutely had me laugh, he was a fun bad guy.

>pokemon makes a Hawaii game
>disney makes a Polynesia movie
>almost went to Hawaii for a Uni a few years back

>have pacific island fever and want to visit

>know most of the islands are just tourist traps and all the culture and community has been removed just like the people

why, is there any place to go that isn't a beach front hotel?

>>87993596
But that was introduced at the beginning of the third act.

>Has to do stuff as preparation to be Chief
>"Good job, you're doing great."
>Wants to go and sail the seas
>"Your father is wrong, you're not being selfish, you're right, you're the chosen one"
>Maui gets mad, tells her she's not special and going through the rocks was a stupid mistake
>"Actually no it totally would have worked my bad sorry"
>I saved the day but I still have to choose between sailing the sea and leading my people
>"Lol no you can do both don't worry hooray"

Maui had so much more going on, but we didn't get to see the most important parts of his arc. It would have been one thing if she kept messing up at every turn, but she out-performed the demigod whenever trouble showed up.

If she constantly tried to be a big bad hero to prove to her dad that she's a capable adventurer or something, only to get mostly owned before Maui bails her out, then we'd have something. She'd need to redeem herself from her own flaws and insecurities. Instead she makes one bad decision that has exactly no permanent consequences.

>>87989234
No. Tattoos are gross and taint the skin.

>>87996079
Go home to isreal Jew. Your customs are retarded and even more barbaric than literal savages.

>>87987903
>>87992409
I hope you both return to the place that makes you the happiest.

Life doesn't last forever, might as well spend it someplace that you can truly call home.

>>87995865
Not on Hawaii certainly. Try either the smaller Hawaiin islands or go out of country to another southeastern island like Micronesia or somewhere else down there. There is still culture to be found hut its harder to find.
I know Lin found Opetai at the biggest Polynesian cultural festival in the world so look that up and go there.

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It's funny how Disney just uses the same formula.
Let's use wreck it Ralph, tangled, zootopia, and moana.
>(excluding vanellope) girl has overprotective parents that want her to stay
>sassy girl needs help of asshole criminal guy
>she needs him, so she blackmails or forces the guy to go on an adventure with her because she has something he wants, and will only give it back after the adventure
>guy doesn't want anything to do with the girl, an often doesn't try to help or barely helps, or tries to get her in trouble
>guy has a sad past
>guy underestimates the girl and gets proved wrong
>guy never calls girl by her name and gives her demeaning nicknames and only says her name in a dramatic moment
>the two eventually become friends after one saving the others life or doing something really nice for another
>guy is always the one to leave in the inevitable breakup scene
>after everything is settled the guy says he doesn't need the thing he wanted in the beginning of the movie

>The Ocean is Te Ka's only weakness.
>The Ocean wasn't just holding Te Ka back, it was stopping her from destroying the world she created.

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>no 300-styled movie based on the life of Kalani Paiʻea Wohi o Kaleikini Kealiʻikui Kamehameha o ʻIolani i Kaiwikapu kauʻi Ka Liholiho Kūnuiākea, or "King Kamehameha" for short.

Feels bad, ohana.

>>87989196

There is no winning with these people. She'd be complaining about sexual objectification if young Moana had a romantic subplot, but here she is complaining of "dehumanizing" her because she doesn't have a romantic subplot.

Remember this tactic next time. So, Quiet in MGS is sexual objectification? How dare you dehumanize her, are you threatened by her sexuality???

Its so bad I'm truly worried that our Great Filter is social media.

>>87996279
Nice... observations?

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.

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>tfw THE OCEAN CHOSE ME

>>87988953

remember how zootopia was made? i doubt disney will trust these people again

>>87996683
>numbers
So close

>>87996445
BRUH

>>87996788
>Disney
>Not trusting Clements and Musker

Brah they gave em a blank check to make another disney princess movie after princess and the frog tanked. M and C can do no wrong in the house of mouse.

>>87996445
And suddenly the whole Goddess Island and a whole lot of other factors make sense... Including why the goddess was on a CRATER ISLAND aka a blown up volcano...

>>87982190
Bretty gud. I couldn't find a flaw, so I rated it 10/10. My gf didn't think the music was great, so she rated it 8/10.

>>87996445
I always thought it as the ocean couldn't help her because of its elements, hence why it chose a human for aid.

>>87997039

you misunderstood. i am not talking about these veterans.

>>87997186
I think its also because Te Ka refused help. She let her anger rule her, define her for centuries and lost her way.

Just saw it. Loved it! The visuals and songs were amazing. The grandma had me in tears because my gram grams is getting up there. And I am Moana is a beautiful hero song.

>>87992091
I saw both Moana and Tangled today and can say Tangled feels much more by the numbers compared to Moana. Moana succeeded at the self-referential jokes, and delivered a way less predictable story. Tangled is the definition of the Disney Princess formula whereas Frozen and Moana both subverted it in their own ways with Moana being a more extreme example. No love interest and no legit straightforward big bad in the story. You're holding Rapunzel as more complex due to her relationship with Gothel more than anything about herself as a character. Besides that she was basic naive girl. Nothing that complex. Moana was more about embracing and struggling with her identity/destiny and what that meant to her present and future.

>>87992268
This

>>87996788
>extremely successful film
> i doubt disney will trust these people again
kek okay

>>87984744
This is nowhere in the movie, as well as a lot of the pig scenes.

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Anyone else shocked that the pig didn't tag along with Moana? I could've sworn there was a scene in a trailer with Maui, Moana and the Pig together

The pig is super marketable, I wonder why it was cut to just be in the beginning and end

Also the chicken wasn't as annoying and gimmick-y as I thought it would be

>>87999104
The general consensus is Retard Chicken > Puppy Pig

>>87999104
I was thrown off by it too. But I liked it because it subverted the staple "cute animal sidekick" trope with a sidekick that acted like an actual dumb animal even if the dumb part was exaggerated.

>tfw 24
>tfw i would feel like a pedo buying a ticket to this alone

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>>87982143
Why was he so perfect bros?

>>87999264
When the hatch door on the boat was shaking I was 100% expecting the pig to pop out but when it was the chicken, i was caught off guard

>>87999432
It was another good subversion on the part of the movie. He was basically a mid-movie dangerous monster battle ala Hydra or Sabor with a musical number thrown in at the same time. I liked how he asked them what they thought of the song afterwards.

>>87999427
Disney movies are for everyone.

>>87987017
Frozen has the best waifus.

*high fives*

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>>87999135
>"I'm sure there's more to Hei Hei than meets the eye"
>Expecting him to become some super strong or smart hero that saves the day
>Nope, he's a complete retard for the entire movie, doing nothing useful except eating the Heart and regurgitating it next to Moana

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the internet works fast

Tamatoa for KH3 boss fight!

>>87995683
>Tongan

Not even Tongans like Tongans so I can't imagine they would go that route.

>>87999432
>The guy from flight of the conchords singing a david bowie tribute song
neato

>>88001113
She probably is Tahitian since they're the best looking Polynesians.

Moana represents a pseudo Polynesian culture that embodies positive traits from all them combined. She doesn't belong to one specific group. I believe this was done on purpose to not only avoid conflict but to bring Polynesians together.

>>87982475
Anon, Frozen sucked dick.

Tangled is still best Disney of this century. Moana is real fucking close though.

>>87991686
Been a better choice for Gaston IMHO. Just wear his old Lord Helmsley getup.

>>88001873
>the best of this century
This is what Tangled fans actually believe

>>87998829

You should check how that movie was made, went into places it should never see.

>>88001873

>Tangled
>Best
if anything it was "ok", they could spare us some of these jokes straight from looney tunes.

>>88001873
I agree

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>>88001995
I'm not including Pixar.
>>88002065
Name a better movie that Disney did without Pixar.

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>yfw Moana called Maui "A Son of A Bitch"

Goddamn Disney caught me off guard.

>>88001873
Tangled was pretty formulaic and straightforward, but competently made. I was entertained from beginning to end, and to be honest, I still think it was the funniest compare to the rest of disney's neo-renaissance

>>88002120
Lilo & Stitch
Treasure Planet
Wreck-It Ralph
Zootopia
Moana

All movies I would pick over Tangled any day.