Civil War 2 catchup

It amazes me how the only time this was a Civil War was at the Traskileon.

>>87960258
>By putting Spider-Miles in a protective bubble, thus making you unable to take him away to discuss the matter in safety, I was giving you one last chance! And that was it!

I don't understand why Carol Danvers plays such big and important roles.
Why don't just people tell her like WTF you're Carol Danvers OMFG who gives a fuck? Why are they all larping that he's somehow the best hero in existence?

>>87960258
I just wish we got a shot of Maria Hill, who really didn't want a super hero shit-show on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, after this fight started.

>>87960430
>Why don't just people tell her like WTF you're Carol Danvers OMFG who gives a fuck?
Isn't that pretty much what happened when Captain Hydra let Miles escape?

>>87960258
Jesus why did he just try to kill Cap for standing there?

And why does he have a Hulkbustermachine?

I haven't bothered with Civil War II, what exactly are they fight about? I imagine it's not another public identities thing.

>>87960851
An Inhuman that can predict the future.

>>87960258
Did Carol absorbed energy before she sucker punched the Hulkbuster or did she recieve another powercreep for her base power level?

>>87960851

Continue to not bother, this is among the worst written events ever.

>>87961024
I stopped at Hawkeye's trial anything interesting since then?

>>87960851
A new inhuman gets future visions, and Carol doesn't get that you can't arrest people for crimes they haven't committed yet, and that the guy's predictions are the kind that only happen if you try to stop them. Even though that's a lesson she should have learned in issue 1, when she gets War Machine killed and She-Hulk tit-missile'd.

>>87960948
So Minority Report? That seems lazy.

>>87960851
Minority Report.
One of the tie-ins literally has Rick Jones pointing out that the whole plot is just Minority Report, but with a fascist and an emotional wreck fighting over it.

>>87960982
I think Blue Marvel and Actual Captain Marvel Monica Rambeau gave her a power boost.

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>>87961084

>>87961098
>That seems lazy.
Bendis.

>>87961134

So that's why Miles is so prevalent?

>>87961098

It is

>>87961161
Yeap. His role in this whole shitfest can be taken by any other character, really.

>>87961107
Nope, not here.
Also, Carol does kind of have more of a right to the Captain Marvel name than Monica ever did. (And Spectrum fits Monica better.)

>>87961198

You kidding anon? This event would be ten times worse without Mile's natural charisma and deep character motivation to salvage it.

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>>87961199
>Carol does kind of have more of a right to the Captain Marvel name

>>87961225
Benis, plis go

>>87961254

I'll go, but this isn't over you hear me?

Just you wait, I'll make sure that you shitlords can't ignore Miles any longer, even if I have to permanently kill Peter Parker and put Miles as his succesor to do it!

>>87961304
Too far Benis

>>87961304
>permanently kill Peter Parker
Benis, u kenot touch true Spidey

>>87961357

MILES IS TRUE SPIDEY!!!!1!!

>>87961084
>and that the guy's predictions are the kind that only happen if you try to stop them
Not really. Its happened in some tie-ins, but most of the time his predictions either do happen, or they don't happen precisely because someone intervenes to prevent it from happening (although it doesn't always work out well, like Clint killing Banner).
There haven't really been many self-fulfilling prophecies, especially since if there were it would actully prove Tony wrong.

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>>87960258
As Captain Hydra elegantly put it, Tony is right for the wrong reasons.

So why did Tony start this fight?

Was it because he just hated Carol?

>>87961304
You'll have to kill Slott first.

Tony's derailment at the end of this is pretty epic but Carol still ignored his mountain of evidence that Ulysses's visions were gonna fuck up.

And lo and behold they started fucking up. If Carol had taken a breath and used Ulysses more conservatively instead of trying to solve every problem with him, things wouldn't have escalated the way they did.

The real villain of Civil War 2 was bad writing. All the characters ever had to do at any point is sit down like adults and share information, which they DID, so the fights all feel artificial as fuck.

>>87961476
He blames Carol for Rhodey and Banner's deaths.

>>87961538
Pretty sure Useless is gonna turn out to be some kind of bigger plot of some big villain.

>>87961504

Imagine the shitstorm if one day news come out of Slott dying after falling down the stairs, and they found his last will being that they killed Peter Parker so Miles Morales could take his place.

With Bendis making a statement that as much as it pains him, he and Marvel have agreed to follow their dear friend's last wish, and while he doesn't consider himself worthy, he'll take the burden and become the new Amazing Spider-Man writer because he knows it's what Slott would have wanted.

>>87961545

What if the Jackal revives them in the next Clone Conspiracy issue?

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>>87960430
You're only making her stronger, anon.

>>87961538
>If Carol had taken a breath and used Ulysses more conservatively instead of trying to solve every problem with him, things wouldn't have escalated the way they did.

Putting Carol in charge and have her lead was a wrong idea in the first place. She has a tendency of having a one track mind when it comes to pursuing objectives/missions.

>>87961476
He fights now because he blames Ulysses and Carol for killing Rhodey and Banner, but his initial arguments have since been forgotten.

>>87961588
>It's what my dear friend Daniel would have wanted. He would have wanted me to write "Amazing Spider-Man". He wanted it so much, he wrote it in his will. Here it is. I have his will right here. He says it right here in his will. Right here, where I'm pointing. It says "I want Brian to write Amazing Spider-Man. But only after I die. Not before. After. After I die." That's what it says in the will. In Dan's will.

>>87961611
OH, SHIT. That would surely change the marvelverse.

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>>87961199
Fucking THANK YOU
>>87961233
:^)

>>87960258
>Dude's an emotional wreck

I said like issue 2 the only way Tony makes sense in this event is that Rhodey's death totally broke him

>>87961476
Muh Rhodey.

>>87961098
t. everyone since the event was first announced

>>87961649

Don't forget the part of the will where he requested that Spider-Gwen and Ms Marvel became Miles' girlfriends at the same time.

>>87961724
>Oh, right, almost forgot. He also says right here that he wanted to see Miles have a girlfriend. "In true Spider-Man fashion, all the bitches should love Spider-Man. I was going to suggest Spider-Gwen, Kamala, or Gwenpool, but if I die, I wouldn't mind all three of them. A Spider-Harem. Think about it." This is a weird will, but Dan was a weird person. And kind of fat. But fatter than me.

>>87961473
didn't he kind of create a computer like that all the way back in force works, but with wanda's hex powers helping? and did i just show my age by remembering force works?

>>87961794

Truly the brightest timeline.

But do remember that characters need mainstream recognition, therefore it would be a smart business move to swiftly retcon Peter Parker in the MCU and put Miles in there, to ease people into the idea.

A new cartoon with Miles wouldn't hurt either.

>>87960430
It's called pushing a character anon. Do you not get this? Look behind the surface writing and too the writer himself.

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>>87960430

>>87961870
>"I'm also thinking of a triple maneuver to end Peter Parker's legacy in favor of Miles. A new cartoon, a new movie, and a new comic miniseries all to bring an end to Parker and replace him with Miles." Wow, Slott really wanted to see Miles grow. I wonder why he never said anything about it before he died. But who am I to question the dead?

>>87961935

Ever sicne the haircut yeah.

>>87960982
>Did Carol absorbed energy before she sucker punched the Hulkbuste
>>87961107
>I think Blue Marvel and Actual Captain Marvel Monica Rambeau gave her a power boost.
>>87961199
>Nope, not here.

So Carol was just using her base power the whole fight? Retardedly OP.

>>87961649
Its always been about muh rhodey. When he sperged out after War Machine's death the situation had nothing in common with what he was saying at the party, even though he claimed "I TOLD YOU SO! MUH RHODEY"

>>87961870
Well, there is that animated movie by the Lego Movie guys that Miles is getting.
(Prediction: it'll have Ultimate Prowler because he's Miles' only villain, and Bendis will bring him back in the comics for synergy.)

>>87960430

Because they want her to be their strong female singular hero to compete against DC's Wonder Woman.

Widow doesn't have flashy powers, and everyone else is connected to a team first and foremost, so they're trying to push Carol for the sake of making her movies.

Why do you think they renamed her and gave her a costume that would look less ridiculous in live action?

>>87961845

yeah Wanda actually brought it up in the Scarlet Witch tie in.

>>87961649
>>87961794
>>87961954

Please Keke let it happen, so it can become /co/'s very own Les Bains incident.

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>>87960258
>Fine let's do [thing]
>Okay
>NO FUCK [THING] I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING YOU'RE OKAY WITH

>>87961845
You did and now I remember it too...

>>87961976
That and storm isn't owned by Marvel studios. If she was they would have been pushing Storm over carol.

>>87961976
tbf she's been trying to me 'more respectable' ever since Busiek drudged her up back in 2000. It was a logical end-game anyway.

>>87960258
>So can we all agree that Tony's in the wrong?
>in Civil War 2
You are delusional.

>>87962055
Bullshit. 4th in line on her own team (at best) and never had a solo until last year. Carol had two and connections to a Strange/Panther sized franchise, she was always the smart bet.

>>87961935
She should have been the father of Spider-Woman's shitty pointless baby

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>>87962082
Fair point. It's all wrong.

>>87961976
But DC struggle to make Wonder Woman their own strong female singular hero in the first place.

>>87962140
>yfw Spider-Woman's the father

>>87962155
>posting the one reaction image that perfectly sums up CWII
And so, he redeems himself instantly.

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No one is right. This event could have been made by anons shitposting and it would still be better

>>87960258
>The menstrual one
You call her that only because she is played by Tilda Swinton? that is sexist

>>87961986

and how did that turn out?

>>87962125
She's been a leader of both the X-men and avengers at several points. She hasn't gotten a solo but carols numbers have always been shit. Shooter got so annoyed with the character he got rid of her several times. The last time she was remotely popular was when Rouge stole all her powers.

Carol has always been a hack wash out. She's worse than Wonderwoman who's at least had a solid run.

Also, the fact is. Norms know who the fuck Storm is. They don't know who Carol is. Which is why she's called Captain Marvel and not Ms. Marvel. They needed striking name. However, that she doesn't matter. The character's still tanking even with constant revamps.

>>87962226
what was the MCU reference?

>>87962226
>Characters sitting around and eating talking about life
That should be crossed off. I count that weird party Stark threw in the fist issue as that.

>>87961963

considering Buster Armors always lose in the comics, no, not really.

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>>87962257
>She's been a leader of both the X-men and avengers at several points
>and avengers
Now you're just bullshitting.
>carols numbers have always been shit
50 is pretty good. :^)
>Shooter got so annoyed with the character he got rid of her several times
Oh sweet "Shooter said" is complimentary now?
Also I'd appreciate if you could clarify "several", I'm only aware of the rape baby rape.

I'd go on but it's stuff that goes without saying.

>>87961976
>Why do you think they gave her a costume that would look less ridiculous in live action

doesn't explain that awful hair. it's not marketable at all

>>87961084
>that the guy's predictions are the kind that only happen if you try to stop them
Except it's the exact opposite.

>Even though that's a lesson she should have learned in issue 1, when she gets War Machine killed and She-Hulk tit-missile'd.
War Machine and She-hulk didn't die in the vision.

>>87961963
Anon, it's a Marvelbuster. Creatin a ____buster guarantees it'll fail. AoU is the ONLY time a buster armor has ever worked on its intended target.

>>87962929
The MCU hulkbuster had RDJ's plot armor in a Joss Whedon written movie behind it.

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I want a summary written like this

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>>87963042
Only one issue left, anon.

>>87961639
Nobody else wanted to be in charge, so Carol felt pushed into the role.

>>87962257
Storm is too busy captaining the X-men while that franchise sinks into the ocean.

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>>87963351
yep

Cyclops was right

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>>87961670
Were they fucking?
Carol should be worse for it, but she nevertheless sucks it up and stays on course.

>>87962622
>carols numbers have always been shit

http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-10.html

122 A-Force 10 $3.99 Marvel 21,715

118 Ultimates 12 $3.99 Marvel 23,871

No, her numbers suck goat balls.

>Oh sweet "Shooter said" is complimentary now?


It is. Marvel's sales & critical reception faltered after he left. Carol is nothing more than filler. Pushing an Alt Right Superman is going to fail just like Ghostbusters 2016.

>>87963543

I dunno you could maybe bs she's military so is more prepared for it whereas Tony is Tony, i'm not looking for a no prize

>>87963802

>Alt Right Superman is going to fail just like Ghostbusters 2016

i'm enjoying this post

>>87961649
>He fights now because he blames Ulysses and Carol for killing Rhodey and Banner, but his initial arguments have since been forgotten.

Profiling, yo. Profiling.

>>87963802
What are "good" numbers for a comic?

>>87963911
THE CRIMINAL LITERALLY STOLE A TANK

FROM THE MILITARY

THAT IN ITSELF IS A CRIME

>>87963996
Ms. Marvel went completely retarded in that tie-in. Kamala's dumbass friend blew himself up and got pissy at her, so she teamed up with some ninja fuckers to Minority Report the future crime fighters.

>Nobody gets CVII: The Thread

I wont discuss the quality of the event. I know it's shit. What i will discuss is the motivation of the characters and the logic of the events. I've read every tie-in and I've put every panel in chronological order. It makes a lot of sense on itself. It's a nice elseworld.

>>87960430
The Ultimates are the world's most powerful superteam, so the Inhumans gave them authorithy over Ulysses. That made Carol the most important superhero, if only for a while.
>>87960513
The thing is, his peers dont give a shit about her new status.
>>87960645
"He" (we dont know if that's Riri Williams or Tony Stark) is not trying to kill cap, he's trying to knock down Carol. He believes Carol is trying to imprison Miles and wants to give him a chance to escape. Also, Tony is suffering from a psychotic attack. He uses a Hulkbuster because his regular armour couldn't do it the last time they fought.
>>87960851
Tony believes Ulysses is responsible of the death of Rodhey and Bruce, putting She Hulk in a coma, and will cause more deaths in the future. He's not accepting any counter-argument because he's in shock. After a while, the situation scalated, the government wanted to use Ulysses in a bigger scale, and other heroes stepped up to help Tony stop the situation.
>>87961049
>The resurrection of Hulk
>The resurrection of Namor
>The resurrection of Richard Ryder
>A black panther-created Hulkbuster machine vs Cho
>Hydra cap issues explained how the death came to be
Some of the fun stuff that chronologically happened after the trial and is all related to CVII.

>>87961084
>Carol doesn't get that you can't arrest people for crimes they haven't committed yet
She only did that once: with the woman with the empty suitcase, and only for a few minutes for interrogation. Given that every other Ulysses vision was accurate and that the life of people depended of her, she did the smart thing. She doesn't know that the visions can be manipulated. I'm sure that if she came to know that she would desist. She's trying to be a good person, unlike tony who at this point is borderline crazy. Cap actually points this to Tony, but he doesn't care.
Carol also acted wrong in the Alpha Flight short story and the Power Man and Iron Fist tie-ins. Those issues contradict all stablished continuity and motivations and are never referenced again, so... not very canon.
>the guy's predictions are the kind that only happen if you try to stop them
Totally untrue. The first two examples are the most obvious: the celestials and Thanos were coming, the heroes did nothing to provoke that.
>she gets War Machine killed and She-Hulk tit-missile'd
Thanos did that. If Carol had not go there, everyone at Proyect Pegassus would've died. Also, she hulk entered the coma after Thanos punched her, not because of the missiles.
>>87961098
It is lazy. But we got some cool tie-ins.
>>87961107
Never happened.
>>87961161
He's only prevalent in 4 issues so far, (CVII #6, 7, spider-man #9 and steve rogers #7) and this is a 100+ issue event.
>>87961538
>ignored his mountain of evidence that Ulysses's visions were gonna fuck up
What are you on about? She had no reason to believe that.
>>87962246
She mentioned it to Pietro, as an explanation of why she's not getting in the war. It's a fantastic issue. Pietro and her get decide to never meet again after that.

>>87961198
>>87961225
>>87961304
>complains Miles' does nothing
>complains when they do something with Miles
>complains about Miles not having character
>complains about challages/plots that shapes him
>screams that Miles gonna replace Peter
>muh boogeyman Bendis
>the two rarely see each other nowdays
>forgets all the other tens of spider people already around
It never ends.

One last thing I'll mention is that nobody gets the PLOT of the event either. It's not about the fight between Carol and Tony. It's about a series of disasters that come to happen in the life of practically EVERY single marvel character that comes near Ulysses. Friendships are broken, teams disband, hearts are broken. It's a sad story about a dark time in Marvel. Ultimates2 #1 implyies that all this is originated by a cosmic being. It's not about a war, at all.

>>87960258
They're both full retard without any common sense here, rushing towards an outcome without any meaning for why this outcome is reached sometimes.

Like "Some of the shit you say almost makes sense, but why the fuck did you do that just then. Damn this is poorly written".

Miles going to the capital after seeing the prediction, the war on the Triskeleton, hedging literally all thought crimes from that point on based on a kid who's predictions are noted to be 10% accurate, there have been dozens of future psychics in Marvel before this yet somehow this one is special, here comes the guardians of the galaxy since they had a movie recently, Carol going all in arresting that women she found out was innocent and holding to it, Carol Danvers being one of the two leads, All of the characters feel way less involved in general, the moral is supposed to be "generalizing" or some shit according to that ham-handed conversation Tony had with Miles instead of "thought crimes" that people hadn't committed yet, Tony going full retard and attacking at the capital when its non-aggression moment for no reason, Tony revealing the data on how the psychic kid's predictions work and no one caring or even considering it much of a factor, and the entire story relying on a much less fitting moral quandary split than the original Civil War. This doesn't even feel like a civil war, it just feels like a cash in.

Maybe you use this kid's predictions for the big stuff, like Thanos. Maybe you don't use his predictions to create a gestopo police force and start arresting people for future crimes that they often end up never doing here.

>>87964757
>hedging literally all thought crimes from that point on based on a kid who's predictions are noted to be 10% accurate
That was a hypothetical Tony threw out, they're much more accurate than that.

>>87963802
>7 Civil War II 118,625
Carol confirmed draw better keep pushing her movie. :^)
>2 Champions Champions 328
Ms Marvel confirmed BIGGER draw better keep pushing Carol's movie so we can get to her quicker. :^) :^) :^)

See how specifying information like this works for anyone? If we'r just going by what sold last month, Storm doesn't belong anywhere fucking near that Wondy spot either. Give it to Jessica Jones. Long term, 'Captain Marvel w/ boobs & baggage' has the most franchise potential by far.

>>87965745

>7 Civil War II 118,625

How much did that drop from #1, baldy?

>>87963955
The premere issues have good numbers, then Marvel's lackluster writing & Out of Character actions tend to drive things down.

A Farce did what 65,000+? It's dropped to a third of that. Marvel just can't sustain a long term decent story arc without resorting to gimmicks & reboots.

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>>87963802
Furthermore
>Carol is nothing more than filler.
Describes just about every Marvel superheroine. Quite literally, when it comes to token characters like Storm or Jean or Sue.
I'm not arguing arguing Carol's amazing, just that she's clearly the best of bad situation. The only real competition is She-Hulk, but unlike Marv He-Hulk's still been around the past 30 years.

>>87960258
Behold the horrible elseworld of Hillary Rodham Clinton as POTUS, ladies & gents!!!


'You don't lead by hitting people over the head - that's assault, not leadership.'

Dwight D. Eisenhower

I didn't vote for Trump/Stark, but I am sure as Hell glad the Danvers/Clinton didn't win.

>>87965846
tbf it effects good comics too. A lot of that drive-down is simply due to taste or expectations or the good ol' speculator mindset. What's the smallest #2 sales drop in recent memory?

>>87965931
Then why do they keep rebooting her failed titles, only to see them crash again? She Hulk sucks too.

Thora or Miss Marvel would be a better bet, being more likable & all that.

>>87965976
I... don't understand. Tony's the one hitting people over the head. Like, it's right there on the page.

>>87966003
>tbf it effects good comics too

Yeah, that's something Marvel lacks...

1 Batman 6 $2.99 DC 138,853
2 All Star Batman 2* $4.99 DC 137,748
3 Batman 7 $2.99 DC 135,585
4 Civil War II 5 $4.99 Marvel 120,208
5 Justice League 4* $2.99 DC 94,548
6 Walking Dead 158 $2.99 Image 94,316
7 Trinity 1* $2.99 DC 93,797
8 Supergirl 1* $2.99 DC 90,247
9 Suicide Squad 2* $2.99 DC 89,575
10 Justice League 5* $2.99 DC 89,342
11 Teen Titans Rebirth 1* $2.99 DC 84,919
12 Detective Comics 941 $2.99 DC 82,953
13 Flash 6 $2.99 DC 82,930
14 Suicide Squad 3* $2.99 DC 82,623
15 Star Wars 23 $3.99 Marvel 82,570
16 Harley Quinn 3* $2.99 DC 81,635
17 Detective Comics 940 $2.99 DC 80,897
18 Flash 7 $2.99 DC 78,057
19 Doom Patrol 1* $3.99 DC 76,225
20 Superman

>>87966047
Carl's war on Due Process is a good reason to be fighting.

What's with Marvel trying to push Authoritarians as protagonists? The Red Skull should name Col Manvers as his successor.

>>87965770
Not too much, but at the same time I would bet these aren't the sales numbers they really wanted.

05/16 Civil War II #0 - 189,829
06/16 Civil War II #1 - 391,526 (+106.3%)
06/16 Civil War II #2 - 148,403 (- 62.1%)
07/16 Civil War II #3 - 185,949 (+ 25.3%)
07/16 Civil War II #4 - 126,865 (- 31.8%)
09/16 Civil War II #5 - 120,208 (- 5.2%)

The best that could be said about this is that it didn't sell as badly as Original Sin, but I don't remember if Original Sin harmed the sales of the tie-in titles the way CW2 did.

>>87966045
Because making such a massive marketing decision based on heroes that have only been around for 3 years is fucking stupid?
Because Ms Marvel is Carol's legacy so you could segue into Kamala down the line anyway?
Because holy shit did you just say push Jane more where do I even begin is that you Jim?

And that's before we factor movies in to it, then the difference becomes even more cavernous.

>>87966254

272,901.

That's how much it dropped from #1.

I think that's kinda bad. But whatever cooks Marvel's books...

>>87966172
Was Hilary after something similar? Not 'murican.
Also, silly question: do you actually read the comics? She detained one person, pending evidence.

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>>87966098
I was talking about Ultimates but ok
Serious about that question btw

>>87966320
>Because making such a massive marketing decision based on heroes that have only been around for 3 years is fucking stupid?

Who are selling better than a knock off who's been around since '67 & still sucks.


>Because Ms Marvel is Carol's legacy so you could segue into Kamala down the line anyway?

No, strike while the iron is hot. Carl is an irritating character who's infamous for her inconsistent reboots & massive negative baggage.

>Because holy shit did you just say push Jane more where do I even begin is that you Jim?

I would pay to see Whor, can't say that about Carl Manvers.

>>87966422
Nice double dubs.

I hate the Ultimates. Red Kryptonite Lifegiver Galactus? How does he not starve?

I can't stomach Marvel's lack of logic or the total absence of any real continuity...

>>87966385
Not really. Hillary wanted to be the opposite of Trump, so racial profiling was a no-no without legit evidence.

>>87966098
>complains about Marble lacking "good comics"
>posts list containing Justice League, Flash, and Harley Quinn
Negro, please.

>>87966466
>better than a knock off
I sure hope you understand the irony of this situation anon.
>strike while the iron is hot
Why do that when you can make more money long term? Also everyone being unchanging & perfect is boring but I'm guessing that's an opinion thing worth discussing in depth elsewhere.
>I would pay to see Whor
YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM REEEEEEEEEE GET OUT GET OUT

>>87966385
"Freeze! You're under Arrest! For the presumed murder of 31 nuns & arson of three orphanages!"

>What? I'd never do anything like that! What the Fu!!

Whack!

"Take him away, boys. Ulysses said he was dangerous!"

How do you defend yourself against that in court?

If only there had been a movie based on this nightmare scenario?

Wait! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_Report_(film)

>>87966522
...Real continuity like in Ultimates?
I reccommend giving the rest of it a go. Issue 6, at least. It's all Galactus, addresses the NOT MUH thing a bit.

>>87966549
Does "Super Predators" & "Bring them to heel" not ring any bells? Hilldog was no friend to minorities...

>>87966646
I do not remember this scenario.
Source pls

>>87963042
holy shit, can't even read most that text

>>87966706
This is exactly what happens with a sketchy psychic as your jurisprudence.

BTW, whatever happened to the woman Nightcrawler teleported away with? If I were her, I'd hire Matt Murdock & sue Carl & T'challa for every penny thing could ring out of old Dyke Spikes.

>>87966730
You're not missing anything. It's an apt summary though.

>>87966522
Because his incubation chamber got all fucked up. They fixed it. . This cites the original Kirby comics, anon.

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>>87966806
And it's exactly what she was going out of her way to avoid.
idk senpai this sounds like a whole lot of kneejerk on your part. "Presumtion" is a suitable word, ironically.

>>87966640
>I sure hope you understand the irony of this situation anon.

Kamala at least has interesting powers, growing & shrinking Plastic man with healing factor. Carl? A knock of an cosmic supermanl who died of cancer. Not soo good.

Also, Kamala is at least a hero. She isn't a total tool of the military. That's something.

Lastly, I could stand watching Jane Foster's hammer time better than watching Thanos job to an Alt Right gender swapped Superman clone...

>>87966919
No, Carl was getting ready to waterboard her or worse.

Are "her" Testosterone doses too high? Is it roid rage? Someone this unstable shouldn't be leading troops. The US Military should have tried her long ago...

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>>87967123
Tony pls go.

>>87966869
So what keeps a guy who had to feed on worlds to keep from starving now that he renovates planets?

>>87967036
How is Carol alt-right?

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>>87967201
No. U

>>87966700
Compared to Trump, anyway.

>>87967246
Cartoonishly evil fascism?

>>87967036
I like grandeur in muh capes, Carol's powerset has a higher ceiling than Kamala's. Also don't you dare diss Space Jesus he fought off Thanos and died for your sins nigga. All in all nah, I disagree, s'good.
I'mma respect you enough to assume you've read your shit but that "tool of the military" line's gonna need some explaining if you want it to be taken seriously. She's plenty heroic. More impressively so, even, given that she should've cracked decades ago.
And by the last line we're just into buzzwords and hyperbole so what's even the point. Suffice to say, I'm a Thorfag. Not Muh. If you wanna do 3 more Thor movies use Bill or Herc or something FFS, not this cucky shit.

>>87967279
No, they both suck.

Trump was the least painful choice.

Kinda like Carl vs. Tony.

>>87966378
#1s are usually inflated though. They usually push the most variant covers on that.

What's really more telling is that #3 was hyped up for a death of a major character, then deliberately spoiled by Marvel in the news media (HULK IS KILLED BY HAWKEYE) to get attention from speculators, and then no one cared a month later. Like no one has been talking about it at all. Not like Captain America's death or Superman's death where five months later there were still people paying $20 or more for Captain America #25 or Superman #75 (till they went down after the return). No. Civil War II #3 goes for like less than cover on eBay. That's pretty fucking bad. On top of that retailers didn't even want to raise orders on subsequent issues.

>>87960258
Is Tony in War Machine armor supposed to be symbolic? Seems like a weird choice.

>>87967123
Ah.
We're just needlessly shitposting now.
Okay then.
I could see why you'd still be Tony's side. :^)

>>87967320
Thank you. Respect where respect is due.

Remember Carl's role in CW 1? Chasing a spider woman copy into Canada to beating the hell out of her in front of Arachne young daughter? She was just following orders.

Finally, I can easily see the Capt Marvel flick doing Ghostbuster 2016 numbers.

>>87967203
Isotope-8 IIRC, Secret Wars did some metaphysical restructuring to everything.
Oh yeah Kirby also said that once the universe ended Galactus would give back more than he ever took. The universe ended. He's giving back.

>>87967372
The Bitch is cray cray. It's ridiculous that she has not been sued/arrested for the crap she's pulled.

>>87967297
Exactly. How is Carol alt-right?

>>87964612
Even when he does something, he does nothing. His role in the event could've been filled by anyone.

Plus after the first two issues, his book has just been wasting time being all about character drama, and Civil War II filler. He's never been in a real fight since those two issues.

>>87967499
Arrests without Due Process?

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

>>87964628
Leave it to Ewing to save Bendis' bad writing.

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>>87967441
Yeah, and the whole arc was about showing that was a stupid decision. It ends with her admitting she fucked up and breaking the law to fix it.
I guess that's the underpinning disagreement, I like the fuckups as much as the paragons. Both are inspirational in their own way.

All in all, I've felt she's the most logical choice since before even getting into comics and stand by that. Source material, notoriety, rhetoric, there's lotsa different factors. I guess we'll see what happens come 2018. Depends on how they market it, like with Ghostbusters. There's a fair chance it'll be so divorced from what I like about the material that I'll want it to fail myself.

>>87967556
Of which we have one Carol-ordained example. Which I think technically wasn't an arrest when you get into semantics, she wanted evidence before doing that.
She didn't approve the Ms Marvel shit and fired the one responsible when she got wind.

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>>87964607
>Those issues contradict all stablished continuity and motivations and are never referenced again, so... not very canon

So according to you, they aren't canon solely because you don't want them to be?

>>87968045
>There's a fair chance
Here's the thing. Danver's is a good character and was great during civil war, and teh skrull invasions, she's not great at doing things smart, and she gets the job done. She doesn't get prais, she gets treated like shit for hamhanding things, but she saves lives god damnit. It hurts her, but she pushes on anyway, no matter how much she cries or hates it, she's a soldier. She's got plenty of weaknesses and lots of strengths.

The BIG ISSUE is that there's no transition from this unstable hero into this epitome of heroicness, that also is a hot butch woman who takes no guff. NONE.

Bendis is a shit writers, so she goes form her lowest point to WAYYYY higher than she ever was with little transition. We as the reader don't see her struggle to slowly overcome her problems, Suddenly she's just kicking ass and taking names, with most of her negative traits removed.

So if they do make a movie, I expect her to be as much of a mary-sue as what's her face from the force awakens. Kylo Ren's sister whatsherface. No Mar-Vell was confirmed too, so there's no passing of the torch, shit there's plenty of interesting shit you could do wiht her, but they're gonna make it as bland and kid friendly as possible to compete with wonderwoman, who isn't even a threat to then what-so-ever with how shit the dccu is. Fuck man, I like her a lot, but with faggots like that cuck Bendis at the helm, it's only gonna be a miserable experience.

>>87964612
Miles literally has had no development past,

>"I don't wanna be spider-man, oh wait, I guess someone has to do it might as well be me".
Followed by issues of
>buh, what if I'm not good enough 2 be spiderman
with people telling him
>YOU'LL NEVER BE HIM
then he oneshots the villain of the week and gets ass pats for doing so. This happened with ultimate Spider-man when ult pete died and outraged people nearly beat him till he proved himself, it happened again in 616 when he beat fucking darkside with one punch, and it ahppened exactly the same AGAIN with darkside, which was followed up by an awkward scene where his aunt was made ina sexual allussion to a famous mary jane panel. Liek seriously, every thing he ever does ends like this.

Not to mention Bendis outright stated "Pete has had enough time in the sun! It's Miles turn to shine!" I'm paraphrasing as I don't memeorize what that arrogant cuck says too hard or it gives me anyurisms. He's been endevouring to put Spiderman in the grave since ultimates, and he only started to try and appropriate Spidey for the blacks since he married his black wife and started raising another mans kids.

He wants to be know for something, and whenever he gets the chance, he pushes Miles hard because he wants him to be THE Spiderman, again, in the issue where he beats blackheart, a tmblr youtube blogger mentiuons how it's so important that nu-spidey is a man of color, since his outfit ripped and showed he was black. He follows up this little gem of dialogue with "why can't I be THE spiderman isntead of just BLACK spiderman". In all of BEndis' lack of self awareness he fails to realize that's all he's every been, a shitty pallette swap of spiderman, who also wears a mostly black costume.

>>87967346
Trump supports a national stop and frisk program which is the epitome of profiling you fucking retard.

>>87960258
Yup.

Doesn't even come down to the moral argument about using Ulysses's powers in the end--Tony is just being a retard.

Nothing he does in this story makes sense. He just randomly jumps Carol at various point in the story...to what end? Is he trying to kill her? Does he think if he beats her up she'll change her mind?

There's no fucking logic to it.

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>>87961963
>So Carol was just using her base power the whole fight? Retardedly OP.

CW's not the first time Carol went murderCarol on Tony.

>>87961976
I don't think it's really to compete with WW. It's just that there aren't any female heavy hitters that much in Marvel THAT they could use for a film and who can interact with MCU's architecture. In all honesty, shitty character aside, her powerset is interesting and the fact that its given to a blonde, blue eyed female gives Marvel a little compromise on their diversity agenda.

>>87960274
It amazes me that it took until issue #5 for the actual war. And that's not even counting #0 and the FCBD issue.

>>87961588
>Imagine the shitstorm if one day news come out of Slott dying after falling down the stairs, and they found his last will being that they killed Peter Parker so Miles Morales could take his place.
>With Bendis making a statement that as much as it pains him, he and Marvel have agreed to follow their dear friend's last wish, and while he doesn't consider himself worthy, he'll take the burden and become the new Amazing Spider-Man writer because he knows it's what Slott would have wanted.

>>87961649
>>It's what my dear friend Daniel would have wanted. He would have wanted me to write "Amazing Spider-Man". He wanted it so much, he wrote it in his will. Here it is. I have his will right here. He says it right here in his will. Right here, where I'm pointing. It says "I want Brian to write Amazing Spider-Man. But only after I die. Not before. After. After I die." That's what it says in the will. In Dan's will.

KEK

>>87963042
>who became Director of Shield.

Bu Hill became the new director

>>87964607
>only for a few minutes of interrogation

They rifled through that lady's thoughts with a psychic. After prying into her innermost thoughts against her will, and finding nothing, she was still going to lock her up.

She doesn't get credit for letting her go. Tony broke that innocent lady out of gestapo headquarters.

>>87967508
>Even when he does something, he does nothing. His role in the event could've been filled by anyone.
Exactly. But of course, it has to be Miles and that fucking page spread had to be repeated in every fucking issue after its first introduction.

>>87968045
>>87971337
The way you anons put it, I'm starting to understand the Carolfags. I feel bad for them. This was Wanda but at least Wanda can be salvage since Marvel doesn't really have huge "plans" for her. Carolfags gonna have to dig her grave a little deeper