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Give WHAT back?
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>>87948567
press F to pay respect.
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>>87948567
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>>87948574
Oh shit
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Goodnight, Sweet Prince.
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>>87948574

Fuck, I won't miss him at all.
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I'm gonna miss that weak chinned Cuban son of a bitch.
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One less person that made the world interesting.
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I'm sorry, is there a joke I don't get where people pretend to like castro? is it like that guevara shirt thing?
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>>87949221
I like the way he made the CIA look like a gang of incompetent buffoons.
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>>87949221

It's mostly post cold war nostalgia. A simple villain from simpler times.
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>>87949221
The man outlived 6 US presidents and out ruled 11 presidents while being an enemy of that country that actively tried to take him down. He's a huge underdog story. Most other dictators America doesn't have a huge thing against or are jokes like Kim Jong.
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I'm mostly just amazed that he hasn't been secretly dead for years
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>>87948567
So how'd he do it?
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>>87949221
Remember when you were a kid watching cartoons and there would be the odd episode where the villains continuously set up booby-traps for the heroes that blow up in their face or the heroes avoid without noticing? Imagine your whole life like that, and the villain is the U.S. government.
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>>87949530
If even Castro isn't safe, who is?
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>>87949279
To be fair the bay of pigs invasion was more of a retarded cluster FUCK than a redneck orgy
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>>87949575
The guy probably had some sir of devils luck going for him that or the universe found him found hm to be hilarious >>87949585
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For many years I would hear tales from my dad's friend that supposedly grew up with Castro. How he spent nights at his parents having dinner and became adults alongside one another. How he then got overly political and drifted away from family and friend. How Fidel betrayed Angel.

I don't know if that man is alive today, or if he was ever telling the truth, but by god do I now feel closure.

PRESS S TO SPIT ON GRAVE
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>>87948567
Was Castro honestly that bad, he revolutionized a communist state and manage to avoid US assaination for years
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>>87949766
oh shit
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>>87949419
>Even Castro can't stump.
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>>87949787
>Was Castro honestly that bad
*tips beret*
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>>87949766
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>>87949618
If it was just the Bay of Pigs that would be one thing. The CIA tried to kill him at least six hundred times.
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>>87949830
I honestly can't tell what your message means, but yes I'm joking he was Castro but does anyone have a complete list of the shit he pulled how bad was he compared to other cunts running countries around the time
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>>87949766
I don't want Bendis dead.
I want him fired or for him to retire.
If he dies we'd be stuck with memorial issues and tributes for at least a year.
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Castro's only crime on the geopolitical stage was not bowing to the United States. The USA has always tolerated and assisted tyrannical regimes. The problem with Castro was that he was the wrong kind of dictator. He had done nothing an American ally had not already done or would later do with full US support.
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>>87949419
>being protected by Soviet nukes
Nah.
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>>87949883
Jesus was he bugs bunny in disguise
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>>87949787

Cuba isn't the shithole the Western world think it is, but it isn't the wonderful paradise they would pretend it is.
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>>87949984
USSR fell over 15 years ago.
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>>87949928
I'm Brazilian and nah, fuck you. He funded commie terrorism in the region for decades. This place is still full of uneducated mouth breathers who think Cuba is an Elysian Fields or something like that.
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>>87950013
Cuba wasn't geopolitically relevant anymore once the Cold War ended, so we didn't really care about it after the USSR fell.
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>>87950001
>Cuba isn't the shithole the Western world think it is

It's all that and then some.
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i can't belive i kept scrolling past this thinking it was a simpsons thread/

F
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>>87950016
>He funded commie terrorism in the region for decades
So did the USA. Kissinger was responsible for the rise of more terrorist groups throughout Latin America than the entire soviet block combined.

Games of moral superiority holds no water when talking about geopolitics.

If Fidel Castro was guilty, so was the rest of the world.
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>>87950100
How much shit did the US pull during the anything goes cold war
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>>87950001
>Cuba isn't the shithole the Western world think it is
It's exactly the shithole we think it is and you can travel there and see it for yourself.
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>>87950132
>How much shit did the US pull during the anything goes cold war
They were singularly responsible for turning Mexico into a narco-state.
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>>87950132
Google MK Ultra or the Tuskegee Experiments , and keep in mind, it was done to American citizens.
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>>87949890
>Killing political opponents
>exercising fire squads to strike fear into his people
>Using said firing squad on his own people that didn't include his political opponents
>Gross censorship
>Complete restriction of rights
>Putting his entire country into deep poverty
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>>87950013
The US stopped caring about Castro around mid 1990.
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>>87950180
The DoD largely quit doing human experimentation in the 1950s; Secretary of Defense Charles Wilson ruled that all such experiments had to be voluntary and done with the patient's consent.
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Cuba was used as Moscow's attack dog in the Third World during the 60s-70s-80s. They funded terrorism and insurgencies from Central America to Africa to the Middle East.
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>>87949928
And instead they bowed to the USSR.
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>>87950180
What was the endgame for all these mind control shit
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>>87950287
beating those damn commies to it first
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Jokes and memes aside, the US and Cuba almost had another World War after the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis. Just about as bad as when we were on the brink of a real nuclear war in the '80s with the olde Soviet Union.
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>>87950219
So nothing new
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I'm anti-communist but I have a sense of respect for Castro. I honestly thought he was going to live forever.

F
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>>87950319
It's a miracle we aren't currently in a nuclear wasteland, Thank god were in the good timeline
>for now
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>>87948567
Someone storytime the Nick Fury/Frank Castle MAX Bay of Pigs comic.
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>>87950321
Yes, if you are familiar with the likes of Mao and Stalin and Lemin, and Hugo Chávez and pretty much ever other communist leader, it's nothing new.
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>>87949811
I recognize this posthuman evolution art
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>>87950390
It's Fury MAX: My War Gone By.
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>>87950459
>>87950390
Okay.
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>>87950301

Too bad the communists and their psychological subversion plots ultimately worked

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g

Dont wanna use the WAKE UP SHEPPLE line but i feel tempted sometimes. We lost the cold war, good intentions and all that.
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>>87950405
>It's only bad when they do it!
> let's just ignore all those guys we paid to do the exact same thing

I love the fact /pol/ is celebrating the death of a 90 year old man as if they've achieved something, and didn't fail miserably in ousting Castro at every turn.
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>>87950565
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>>87950577
Fun fact Ennis pointed out that in the original drawing the planes were innaccurate so the artist redrew them
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>>87950502
God this is probably Ennis most underrated magnum opus it's brutally realistic and deconstruction the tough old man fury into a depressing liner who ruined and chance of happiness he or anyone around him could've had
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>>87950615
Inaccurate in the inaccuracy mentioned in the story?
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>>87950606
God damn it fury
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Looks like Cotton Hill can rest easier now.
Who else was on his hit list?
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>>87950641
No the first draft of those pages the artist drew the wrong planes so he redid them and that's what was released
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>>87949787
Meh. Pretty middling. Cuba's definitely not a good place, but it's worked out better than pretty much anywhere else in a similar situation, which is worth merit I suppose.
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>>87950602

Don't act like it is a /pol/ thing to hate Castro when there are countless Cuban exiles and victims of his revolution among us.

Actually, fuck you, you don't get to insinuate some kind of moral relativism then peg it on racists while you yourself are probably some white bread fuckstick.

I can probably blame a lot of the suffering my country went through on that decrepit commie and his faggot sidekick.
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>>87950693
>wah my rich daddy lost his money

Suck it up
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>>87950693
>I can probably blame a lot of the suffering my country went through on that decrepit commie and his faggot sidekick.
Wait, you're Cuban?

In that case, swing on over to /int/ pls. We need your flag (it's pretty rare on that board).
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>>87950722

Get stomped face-first into a bloody turd, marxist parasite
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>>87950662
KEK
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>>87949787
What Castro did at the time you can argue was okay (if you ignore all the evil shit he did), but in the long term it only led to Cuba stagnating as a nation.
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>>87950693
lol

losers can't deal with losing
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And that's how Fury sank his own boat and killed himself. The end!
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That's the end? I thought it was going somewhere.
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>>87949530
CIA hired Stan Lee to kill Castro
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>>87949585
Stan Lees gonna need a BIG sacrifice if he wants a few more years under his belt.
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>>87949766
DO IT STAN!
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>>87949890
Castro was basically China, but in the third world.

Now among third world countries Cuba actually ranks pretty damn high if not #1.
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>>87950100
>If Fidel Castro was guilty, so was the rest of the world.
Yeah, no fucking shit, Sherlock.

The world is all pretty fucking guilty for its current state, all of the superpowers played the dirty game and most of the third world were easily pushed into their own clusterfucks.

People just take cheap shots at the "free" nations because unlike those obsessed with control like Russia, China, and Australia, the "free" nations openly admit their fuckups and don't bother minimizing it or trying to dismiss it. But it doesn't mean their miserable bullshit is any better, or worse, than the others.
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>>87950132
They basically destroyed half the third world's hopes of ever getting development.
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>>87951196
It's the end of the Castro arc. There's a lot more to the entire story. Before and after this.
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>>87951360
Christ, no. People take shots at the 'free' nations because they pretend they're much better. An entire propaganda effort has made China and Russia look bad to the rest of the world, the US pretends rights emanates from its junk.

>and Australia

lol
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>>87951360
>People just take cheap shots at the "free" nations
Oh fuck off, people take shots at "free" nations because they insist on STILL pulling this shit while preaching morals about it.
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>>87950355
Reminder that the US almost nuked itself 4 times by mistake.

Reminder that a real-life Doctor Strangelove almost happened where Soviet computers showed the US nuking Russia, and it was only the incredulity of the operator that resulted in them discovering it was a bug rather than launching a retaliatory burst of nukes.
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>>87951394
Keep going then, mate.
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>>87950602
So what? /pol/ are dumb motherfuckers that are the Neo-nazi equivalent of women who buy crystals and think really hard at them then think they've produced "magic" when they find a penny on the ground.
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>>87951425
They elected a reality tv star as President, and are proud of it.
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>>87951417
If other people want it. The rest isn't relevant to Fidel.
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>>87951315
>Now among third world countries Cuba actually ranks pretty damn high if not #1.

[citation needed]
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>>87951245
Well, we know Trump is morbidly obese (because he somehow magically grew the two inches needed to be otherwise when he gave his information to Doctor Oz), but he also refuses to ever drink or imbibe any kind of drug because his brother dying freaked him out so much.

So...he actually is probably pretty healthy, and full of nutritious life-giving red-hat blood.
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>tfw Castro lived to see the US fold to Cuba and restart relations with it
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>>87951465
A perfect sacrifice for Stan Lee!
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>>87951439
They didn't do shit other than vote and be obnoxious assholes about everything on every board other than their own, Comey elected him by souring independents on her in must-win states. That is, unless there really was electronic tampering on his behalf (I doubt it, but I'd be remiss to not mention it as a possibility nonetheless).
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>>87951496
>They didn't do shit other than vote and be obnoxious assholes about everything on every board other than their own
And push fake news stories, and spread misinformation...

>That is, unless there really was electronic tampering on his behalf (I doubt it, but I'd be remiss to not mention it as a possibility nonetheless).
I still can't believe Jill Stein made them recount the votes in the swing states with the questionable votes to take the pressure off Clinton. Bitch is like a wild card..
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>>87951466
The US didn't fold to Cuba, it just gave up on the idea of isolation actually doing anything and moved onto a different strategy. After the fall of the SU, there's no danger of any military activity in Cuba so the only reason the embargo remained is cultural views within the US.

The current idea is just to use it as an economic advantage over China.
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>>87951520
>And push fake news stories, and spread misinformation...
That was hardly all of /pol/. There was professional companies and faux-news organizations doing that, I'd be genuinely shocked if most of /pol/ is even employed.

>I still can't believe Jill Stein made them recount the votes in the swing states with the questionable votes to take the pressure off Clinton. Bitch is like a wild card..
I'm shocked the Libertarians aren't doing the same. Some of their leadership voiced support for it, but the Libertarians hated Trump even more than the Green did. Green only cares about the environment and going, well, green. Libertarians hated most of Trump's proposals, and the fact he promised executive actions at all let alone in the volume he has made him the antichrist in their eyes.
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>>87951521
The embargo was kept up because of the Cuban-American lobby desu.
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>>87951546
>That was hardly all of /pol/.
>all of
Oh please you can say that about any group. /pol/ did work like a bunch of mules.
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>>87951114
Post the rest. Better a storytime come out of this than nothing.
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>>87951624
Eh, why not.

Starting at the beginning. The Cuba stuff comes much later.
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>>87951594
>>87951546
>>87951520
/pol/ is indeed quite retarded, agreed. But they did get me interested in politics again and Assange and Wikileaks, so I'll give them that credit.
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>>87951562
That lobby wasn't important outside of election years, and was negligible for congress. The problem was people who still remembered the Soviet animosity were still in power and were against normalization of relations. The current prime voting demographic was born immediately before or after the collapse of the Soviet Union and thus has little opinion on the matter.
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>>87951496
One state doesn't use electronic machines and Pennsylvania is such a large margin if that recount somehow made a difference it would be utterly fraudulent.

Last one Michigan basically did it's own recount (which is why it just verified Trump as the winner)

So anything done that benefits Hillary will look highly suspicious.

And then comes the question of 2.5 Million turned 7 Million of those rising costs to make this happen.

It's more bullshit chicanery than wanting truth to anything.
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>>87948574
Fuck every red menace rotting in Hell. How's that for respect?
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>>87951667
The Green Party is not made up of Clinton supporters, and even Jill herself said the main goal is to clear up the refusal to cooperate and any lingering suspicions. Even they don't think there's a snowball chance in hell that Donny Drumpf isn't elected, they just want the bullshit from both sides to end and people remembering they exist for a little bit longer until 2020.

After all, isn't that a noble goal? Slapping /pol/ and Tumblr both and telling them to shut their crazy fucking mouths for three years again?
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>>87951546
Media ginned up the "fake news" moniker and there "job to protect people" from fake news so they could disavow certain news stories not being covered by the media but that are gaining attention, pizzagate being the primary one with the subreddit being banned and the news media already putting it out that it's all "fake news".
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>>87950982
Yes, the losers who left Cuba and could see it would gonna be horrible led by a fascist dictator who would eventually rule with an iron fist and destroy their economy.
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>>87951466
>Fold

The second the USSR folded, the US couldn't have given a shit less about Cuba or Castro.
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>>87951716
Wait. The media is actually trying to blame their mockery of Trump eating pizza with a fork for them not questioning Trump and Clinton on climate change and their policy on North Korea?
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>>87951701
>Not thinking they are using leverage against Stein just like they did with Bernie.

This reeks as she's got zero benefit toward a recount. No chance to turn that 1% to 5% to get federal funding for the party.

If this isn't revealed as an attempted coup shell game. I'll eat a hat.
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>>87951716
>I fell for a fake news story and somehow that's a conspiracy

Ha ha, rationalization is a hell of a drug.
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>>87951744
Yea all he did was boast and trod about like a great rebel. And celebs going on vacation there to be "naughty".
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>>87950666
further confirmation that ennis and parlov are fucking pros
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>>87948567
Another Simpsons episode:

Fidel: America is not so bad. They named a street after me in San Francisco.

(aide leans over and whispers something in his ears)

Fidel: IT'S FULL OF WHAT?!!!
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>>87951757
What leverage against Bernie? Internally they discussed using Bernie's personal information that Democratic voters would be turned off by, but ultimately didn't actually do anything but lean back and let Clinton's fame and fear of Trump result in a pick of the "safe" candidate.

>If this isn't revealed as an attempted coup shell game. I'll eat a hat.

Wait, what? Dude, for one its not a coup if its done within the legal process unless you're fucking Russia and you're talking about one of your vassal nations. Second, there's almost no chance for a win for Clinton, Stein just wants to either give a political black eye to the anti-environmentalist (the only real platform the Green Party has, thus making it entirely a positive to them by themselves) or look like the mature, reasonable party to Democratic voters in four years so they can poll at 15% and get into a debate.

Meanwhile, there's no benefit at all to the Democratic party. In fact, the longer news of this election gets drug out the worse off they'll look.
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Castro won. Every president since Eisenhower has wanted to take him down and they all failed. He held on to power until the day he died, and lived to see the US reopen relations with Cuba.

Pour one out for a true boss.
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>>87951757
>If this isn't revealed as an attempted coup shell game. I'll eat a hat.

You have no idea what the word "coup" means.

If Hillary were behind this, she's going about it completely legally, although in a secretive way (which is pretty much her M.O.) There is no law against recounts, and there is no law against challenging election results if the recounts turn up something to justify that. I really doubt that they will, but either way, it won't be a "coup." A coup implies seizing power through illegal force or violence.
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>>87951825
>Every president since Eisenhower
Obama, Bush and Clinton didn't care about Castro.
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It's staggering to see how ignorant people on /co/ are and how eager they are to parrot whatever they've heard about the man.

He wasn't a communist dictator, the US simply branded him that way while the Russians called him an imperialist. His entire life from the moment the revolution was on was a nightmare of walking a thin line of eggshells between the Soviet Union and USA, and neither ever liked him OR Cuba. He didn't lead a communist revolution, but he lead both militarists, intellectuals AND communists to victory under the banner of justice for Cuba. The US were very angry because they had spent years putting his predecessor in power, and because of this his alliance with the USSR was about survival. There were nowhere else to turn.

Cuba's relationship with Russia was always strained even from the beginning. In return for providing Cuba with just about anything, the Soviets had a steep price which Castro felt was simply a way of handing the leadership over to them piece by piece. After the missile crisis he felt that the Soviets had betrayed Cuba by backing down and signing an agreement with the US without ever consulting him despite the proposed missile base being on Cuban ground, and indeed it helped end the already struggling Cuban-Soviet alliance. As a result his people slowly started to suffer more and more from a lack of imported goods. Now both the east and west were effectively closed

For a man who genuinely cared about his people and country, and who went to jail and almost died three times for it, he was probably out of his wits about what to do for most of the time he was in office. His and Raul's dreams of expanding the revolution outside Cuba was also swiftly destroyed both by the Soviet Union and the US who both simultaneously worked against him. The biggest blow being Che Guevara getting killed, one of the pillars of the Cuban revolution.

He was sat between a rock and a hard place for 60+ years, with no options at all.
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>>87951825
The last three presidents gave no fucks, and the last one pushed for normalized relations for those sweet cigars and great cars.
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>>87951895
>For a man who genuinely cared about his people and country
He cared about power.
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>>87951895
Okay, Cuba-san. Good well-thought out argument.

Now, a quick question; what now? Raul is pretty fucking old too, so who takes power after him? What's Cuba's path moving forward?
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>>87951903
>The last three presidents gave no fucks

To be fair, Bush barely gave a fuck about (or understood) anything he was doing.
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>>87951895
>He wasn't a communist dictator,
So, killing political opponents, stripping the rights of his people, hoarding money, employing a cult of personality for himself through schools and prevent people from leaving doesn't make him a dictator?
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>>87951912
God damn you fucking moron. He disposed a dictator. Then he had to cling to the reigns as the right and the left both tried to rise up from underneath to get themselves into power. He didn't want to rule, he was thrust into it for wanting his country free.

He cared as much about power as John F. Kennedy, but I suppose ever president who ever tried to get elected clearly only did it for the power too, so in what sense does it make Castro any worse than them.

Fucking murriclaps and their indoctrination.
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>>87951950
Does being forced to choose between the USSR and his country being destroyed by the US make him a COMMUNIST dictator?
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>>87951957
Pretty sure you're arguing with a Brit.

Most current 'murricans don't know jack shit about Cuba other than its Communist and apparently we're friends after Beyonce visited them.
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>>87951957
>Then he had to cling to the reigns as the right and the left both tried to rise up from underneath to get themselves into power. He didn't want to rule, he was thrust into it for wanting his country free.

Oh the poor innocent Castro, he wasn't purposely making himself a dictator, he was forced into the role.

Please.
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>>87951950
>(redacted) political opponents, stripping the rights of his people, hoarding money, employing a cult of personality for himself through schools

Where did I see all that before I wonder.
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>>87952004
And Nixon is properly demonized by history.
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>>87948567
Trump hassasin start their work even before he becomes president. Nice.
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>>87951986
The US wouldn't have destroyed Cuba, they'd have made it another vassal nation like Jamaica. Which was literally just America's Cuba.

If anything, they put themselves far more into harms way with the Soviets. But to also be fair, the Soviets made grander promises while the US mostly disregarded Cuba until the threat of COMMUNISM was brought up like the word "fire" in a crowded theater.
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>>87951990
>other than its Communist
But that's fucking wrong and stupid.
You probably think China is communist as well, don't you?
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And after this is the Cuba arc. >>87950502
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>>87952009
But was he a dictator?
No. He was a president.
Fidel Castro's title was also president.

Ergo not a dictator, unless the US elects dictators and the US is a dictatorship.
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After which we go back to Vietnam. With a familiar face.
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>>87952004
>>87952009
Which is the main point of contention between the countries of freedom and those of order.

>Murrica
Yeah, fuck Nixon. Fuck Castro too. Fucking cunts.
>Commies
Castro was 10/10 sad hero who did what he had to, Nixon was the devil, how dare you talk about Castro when you have Nixon who was 100000000x worse.
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>>87952015
>The US wouldn't have destroyed Cuba, they'd have made it another vassal nation like Jamaica.
Which is precisely the same thing to someone who dedicated his life to fighting tyranny.
The destruction of Cuban culture, Cuban economy and the Cuban way of life.
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>>87952022
They identify as Communist, and the average American thinks they are. The latter point is exactly what I was saying, the belief rather than the reality.

Learn to fucking read.
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>>87952034
To be fair, Nixon wanted to be a dictator. His stance upon years of reflection of his wrongdoing was "Nuh uh! Presidents can't break the law!"

A lot like Churchill.
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>>87952009
this thing I will never understand. Americans seem to hate Nixon. But he was one of the most efficient american presidents. The deal with China was huge, preping the leave from nam, which suppose was an important thing for the population, deals with Russia. Fixing the germany border thing. Dude was a master class politician and actualy knew how world outside USA worked. But somehow he is the devil, and a moron like Kennedy has cult status. Do people not remember that it was the Kenedies that put them in nam in the first place?
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>>87952052
>They identify as Communist
According to whom?
Fucking dolt.
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>>87952047
Not Cuban culture or way of life, just a percentage reduction in their economy.

From his perspective, economic freedom was worth the military risk, but its not an objective truth which is worse and is worth respectful debate.
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>>87952040
Realy. Castro was a tragic hero? Could you explain how starting, supporting and sending troops to africa was forced on him?
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>>87952076
Cuban-Americans. Who are the only ones who really give a fuck about Cuba one way or the other.
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>>87952088
...go back and read my post. Then the post I was responding to.

You fucking moron.

I was saying that Communist anons would call him a tragic hero, dumbshit. Not that he was one. Read more than one post before clicking.
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>>87952061
The world is a very simple place for Americans who are incredibly simple people.

Kennedy good (because they were told so)
Nixon bad (because they were told so)

Commies have not been relevant for 50+ years but they are still scared shitless of anything even remotely socialist. It's ingrained into the brainstems. And of course, anyone who isn't AHMURRICUN is either a pawn or a commie.

Alternatively they're a terrorists, since they're the new and improved commies with 100% more scare potential. But you really can't beat the classics.
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>>87952109
Considering the YUGE amount of Bernie supporters in the US, especially post-election, I'd say enough Americans don't connect Socialism directly with Communism anymore.

Too bad it doesn't matter, because the only fucking thing that's important for people who hated Trump and Hillary would be to campaign to unfuck the Primary process (seriously, in two states there's literally no reason to vote in the Primary because the popular vote has no effect on delegates) but everyone has already forgotten it and is just focused on how much they hate Trump/Hillary.
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>>87952061
part of it is that Nixon got caught doing something incredibly stupid and then proceeded to dig himself an even deeper hole afterwards, not to mention while no politician can make it to be President without some measure of charisma, Nixon had maybe a tenth of what Kennedy had
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>>87952088
>Could you explain how starting, supporting and sending troops to africa was forced on him?
He was a revolutionary. He trained and equipped anyone who fought to topple tyranny. No matter if they were communist, fascist or religious. He believed in the people's right to govern themselves, or to choose someone to govern (paradoxically and yes, tragically). He didn't start a revolution thinking he would end up leading the country, he had planned to go abroad and help other revolutions PRECISELY like Che Guevara fought with his life for Cuba despite being BOLIVIAN.

And even more tragically, the Soviets who enjoyed the fruits of his revolution were the leaders of some of the regimes that Castro's revolutionary trainees wanted to topple, so they tried to punish him for it. There's no way you can look at that picture and not think it's sad. He disposes of a dictator, then his dreams are slowly crushed from both sides between an international power struggle between two giants and he is forced to pick the lesser evil for his people, becoming forever demonized in the process and in doing so becoming the dictator he deposed. In the end he had no fight left for revolutions. No more fight left to make the world better.
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>>87949928
He legitimately wanted USA nuked. He called Krushchev a coward for not nuking the USA. If Castro had control of the nukes on Cuba he would have nuked the USA. Even the most contrarian American poster shouldn't like Castro.
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>>87952187
>He called Krushchev a coward for not nuking the USA
No he fucking didn't. He despised the Soviet Union for backing down without ever consulting him, despite it being his country and his ass on the line.

It's like a fucking schoolyard fight where a bully says something to a little scrawny nerd, then a large kid comes to the nerds defence, goads the everliving fuck out of the bully on the nerds behalf and then says "Alright I warmed him up for you, good luck champ" and leaves.
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>>87949787
He installed communism in a country, of curse he was bad.

From neo-nazis to commies, what's with all the edgelords on 4chan?
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>>87952165
But Kennedy did the same thing, plus he wanted to fuck over american secret services. The last time this was tried in another large and powerful country, it ended with the guy trying to do it being killed with a chair leg.
Plus I totaly don't understand the charisma thing, a President has to be efficient. He has to do stuff, being liked by people doesn't help the country. Again not american, but who cares if all world "likes" Obama, if he more or less fucked up the world with what he did in Syria. He should either do a military intervention, and be disliked, or tell the syrian disidents to fuck themself, and be hated by them. Him wanting to be liked ended with us having 3+ milions refugees storming europe. Unless of course his plan was to destroy undermine europe, then kudos to him.
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>>87951466
But the American culture is its strongest weapon. As soon as blue jeans and rock/pop music reach an authoritarian state its days are counted.
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>>87950789
>thats why I went for special forces, I got sick of seeing guys ground up for nothing

damn son
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>>87952247
>He installed communism in a country
Oh for mother fucking christs sake
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>>87952251
>He has to do stuff, being liked by people doesn't help the country
Well now there's Trump and that's all he has going for him, so here's hoping you're wrong.
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>>87952185
And how did Che end, el commandant send him off to die and removed all support. Not that this was a bad thing to do. Che was mentaly ill.
As his dreams being crushed. I don't see that happening. He more or less created a dynasty that will rule cuba for ever. Castros family own whole Cuba, it is like a fucking monarchy. He was way worse then any cuban dicators before him. I mean the country that supplied suger to whole US of A, is importing suger, because the fucker did not know anything about agriculture.
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>>87952251
the President is the face of the country at least in theory, so wanting to be liked is a natural move for a man in that position, especially when you only have 4 to 8 years in the office and want to get as much done as possible, and while being liked isn't an absolute necessity to do so, it definitely helps

basically you don't seem to fully understand how the American political system works(admittedly I'd say no one really does, even the people at the top don't), it's not just a matter of skills or being able to get things done, it's a matter of keeping the people who got you elected and support you happy
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2016 is a bastard.
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>>87952301
He was educated as a lawyer, not a farmer.
Does anything about his fate surprise you, now that you know this?
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>>87952299
Well it was your pick guys, but am not sure the Clinton would have been better for the country. With Trump people at least don't know what he will do. Small chance he will do something good. With Clinton it is not that good.
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>>87949221
His actions were questionable or outright damnable, but his ideals can still be respected and even admired.

The man was pure History. From his corner of the world he kept making waves all over, never stopping until he was just too old to stand.

People who are on the bottom and kill to get to the top really aren't any worse than the ones who are already on the top and kill to stay there.
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>>87952219
Yep.
Castro assumed that there was something to gain from getting between the two most powerful nations on the planet, despite being basically an era of human history behind.

Genius.
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>>87951048

that top right panel hurts to look at (in a good way)
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>>87952347
yes he was a lawyer, but he , like a lot of communists in his time, claimed to be omipotent. No one forced him to build factories that would require raw materials important from Russia to work. No one forced him to destroy the suger plantation. No one forced him fuck up agricultur. At least his country was small and in a good climate. A bit colder and Cuba could be like northern korea.
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>>87949814
OH
shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
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>>87952082
christ
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>>87952357
yeah, gaining maximum personal power for himself and his family, and a close group of friends. and keeping it no matter the cost for as long as possible. Truly something to be admired for.
Also your realy not calling someone from a rich family a person from the bottom right?
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>>87952381
Actually Russia forced them to do all of that. You can't be delusional enough as to think he had a real choice.
Because it was either that or leave Cuba for the wolves.
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>>87951895

at the end of the day people flee from cuba to america, not the other way around, that's all you need to know which place is better for le people
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>>87952074
>you know, from that hanoi thing?
>cassidy?

are these references to an event/character in Frank's history?
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>>87952422
>Barracuda
I love how Nick Fury has such strong ties to The Punisher comics.
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>>87952404
>rich family
The fuck you talking about? His parents were Spanish immigrants who could neither read or write, but through hard work they managed to buy enough land to make a living and send their children to school.

You think that qualifies as "rich"?
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>>87952451
They go perfectly together.
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>>87952348
I would always prefer a politician running the country though
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>>87952463

I think of that last panel whenever I need to charm someone kek
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>>87952564
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>>87950287
For the CIA, it was to create a programmable soldier. For psychologists like Dr. Ewan Cameron, who was involved in MKUltra, it was an opportunity to wipe memories which were believed to responsible for the barbarism of the two World Wars. The experiments, which involved copious amounts of LSD and ECT, were a complete and utter failure.
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>>87949787

Why do people act like surviving attempts on your life makes you a good person?!

Lot's of terrible men had people trying to murder them on a regular basis.
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>>87949928

>The problem with Castro was that he was the wrong kind of dictator.

I do not give a rat's ass what his relationship with the US was. I don't have to like him.
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>>87951957

>He disposed a dictator.

He WAS a dictator.
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>>87952034

Ow! That post gave me brain damage.
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>>87952061

Hey look. I always was under the impression that Nixon was a guy who was genuinely good at his job, but he had a paranoid streak that destroyed him. He's almost a tragic figure.
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>>87952034
>Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Names and words are often manipulated in Politics.
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>itt people pretend to care about democracy
All people really care about is having a leader who shares their beliefs and runs the country the way they personally want to see it run. So Castro was great for communists, terrible for capitalists. There is no objective way to measure such a polarising person.
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>>87952990
Sure there is!
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>>87949419

Except Trump.
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>>87951520
It's just a rumor, but some think that Stein is actually hoping to find evidence that Clinton tried to commit fraud.
That maybe she's hoping that if something more terrible gets proven about her then maybe all the people attached to Clinton will lose their positions in the DNC and that the people she's friends with will be able to take over.
I sincerely doubt that either party actually tried to tamper with the vote counts though. Even if they do find some kind of serious anomaly it probably won't be something you could definitively tie to any one organization, like in 2004.
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>>87950505
Everybody lost the Cold War.

What we have now, in Russia, the US and pretty much everywhere else is a small wealthy elite using the political methods of the USSR and the economic methods of usurers to enslave everyone by debt servitude to a cultureless society the only goal of which is the enrichment of that same elite who are a new aristocracy.

At least the old USSR got people to work for the good of their community because everyone had a stake in national industry, and at least the old USA valued the individual's freedom and independence. Now neither are true. We don't care about our fellow man or our freedom. Only money, without realising that we're working harder and getting poorer while the elite skim ever more off the top.
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>>87951465
>he also refuses to ever drink or imbibe any kind of drug

Nigga, have you seen the debates? He sniffs as much as a cokehead.
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>>87953042
He died under Obama's presidency, m8.
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>>87952457
For cuba they were rich. His dad was snitching on people. He would never have ended law school, if he didn't have access to both money and protection.
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>>87948567
F
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>>87948574
F
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He's with la Ubre Blanca in heaven now.
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>>87948574
F
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>>87949221
I despise commies, but Castro was a real life Big Boss. Which means a sense of awe and admiration for a tyrant.
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>>87951716
The msm and the elites don't know what the fuck they're unleashing with this sudden "fake news" crackdown to try and silence stories they don't want coming out.

Pretty soon everybody is just going to be calling out any news they disagree with as "fake news" and dismissing sources as biased. The msm are digging their own grave.
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>americans still believe they are the good guys and anyone who doesn't submit to their rule is a villain.
imperialism sure is beautiful, who needs propaganda when your entire population is walking propaganda?
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>>87949279
>"if avoiding assassination by the CIA was an olympic sport, I would have won gold"
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>>87954367
Remember, murderous dictators are only bad when they aren't friendly to the USA.

Sometimes they're also good when they aren't friendly to the USA, but still buy expensive military hardware from our megacorps, like the Saudis.
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>>87950693
> Cuban-Americans keep calling themselves Cubans

>>87951732
Yes, I'm sure the USA's interference had nothing at all to do with isolating Cuba and devolving it into a barely functioning state, nor their relentless assassination attempts and acts of subversion forcing Castro to be harsher and harsher just to stay alive.

And yet some how, Castro and Cuba endured.
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>>87951360
>the "free" nations openly admit their fuckups and don't bother minimizing it or trying to dismiss it
That's a whole load of horse shit.
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>>87954461
> Cuban-Americans keep calling themselves Cubans
Even worst when some fucker born in america call himself half something because one of his parents is latino, like being Mexican is a fucking race
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>>87952185
>like Che Guevara fought with his life for Cuba despite being BOLIVIAN.

Argentine, actually
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>>87952282
Oh yeah this is Frank
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>>87950602
There were literal street parties where mainstream media figures danced and drank in the road when Thatcher died here. You don't get to play double standards.
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>>87949787

The major problem is that we really don´t know how bad it actually is because 1: the regime keeps a tight lid on what´s happening behind the scenes, 2: a certain romantic sentiment from the left towards a nation with 'free health care' and 'equality' and Havana, and 3: an overly hostile sentiment from conservatives and Cuban refugees. As long as we don't have full access to their bureaucratic archives we never know the complete story about Castro - or Che Guevara for that matter.

What I can say is that Cuba sponsored various terror groups during the 60-80's at least, try to destabilize various neighbouring countries and has been described by a journalist as an "open prison". Also, Cubans have a maximum wage of 20 dollars a month. You can imagine why a lot people trying to flee the country.

So I'd say, yes very bad. I just have the feeling it will be long time before we know how bad.
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>>87954888
Yeah, but Thatcher was literally Satan.
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>>87954936
No, she wasn't.
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>>87954908
>What I can say is that Cuba sponsored various terror groups during the 60-80's at least, try to destabilize various neighbouring countries
Just like the good ol' US of A!
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>>87954943
You didn't notice the horns and smell of brimstone from her pictures?
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>>87948574
F
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>>87954950

That does not make Castro the better man. Not even the less worse.
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>>87950693
>complains about racists
>insults whitey in the very same sentence
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>>87950602
>muh /pol/ boogeyman
Every fucking time.
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>>87955288
>somebody mentioned /pol/ in a thread about a highly political figure
>boards on 4chan talk shit about each other
Yes Anon, how truly stunning and surprising. No-one but you and your wise ways could have seen that coming.
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>>87955020

If someone barges into your house and you shot them? Does that make you a horrible murderer or merely a defender
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>>87955323
Where the hell have YOU been? /pol/ always gets blamed for random shit these days.
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>CASTRO DINDU NUFFIN IT WUZ DA US DESTABALIZING EVERY LATIN SHITHOLE THAT SHOULD BE BLAMED

What the fuck is with all these misinformed Cucknadians here? The Day of the Rake can't come soon enough.
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>>87949575
You know that 99% of the claims of assesination attemps came from Castro himself, right? He used the propaganda of "OMG CAPITALISM WANT ME DEATH THEY FEAR ME, I'M THE AVATAR AGAINTS IMPERIALISM" to gain more power and money from idiots. Really he is like the SJW model.
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>>87955487
>You know that 99% of the claims of assesination attemps came from Castro himself, right
Declassified CIA documents call you a liar.
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>>87955429
Yes, and you can either take your victim complex back to /pol/ or just accept that it's going to happen. Yes, /pol/ gets shat on by other boards. Just like fucking /b/, /v/ and /tv/ (and pretty much every other board) do. Complaining about it does nothing except making /pol/acks look like whiny bitches, I've never seen anyone leap to the defense of /tv/ or /v/ the way you guys defend your home board. Don't start taking yourself too seriously.
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>>87955620
I said 99% the CIA documents only account for 1 out of 600 that Castro claimed that he had.
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>>87948574
F
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>>87955710
>Don't start taking yourself too seriously.
but anon can't you see they're heroes against the fight against the sjws meme magic they wished for trump to win now we owe them our lives
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>>87950170
No, if you travel there you will not think that. Turism in Cuba is great and also a great facade for all the shitty things that are going there.
>>
I'll take the chicken sandwich with the live chicken!
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>>87949766

Thank you God.
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So... any of you guys remember when Wally West was friends with Fidel back in the Invasion?
IIRC Fidel even tried to shag Wallys mother.
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>>87952061
An interesting insight about Nixon is that he came from a shit background. He had the opportunity to go to Harvard for free, but he opted to help out his poor brother.
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>>87948574
Fuck that commie faggot. I hope he's being raped by Satan right now.
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>>87955093

>Complaining about the people complaining about racists is complaining about racists
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>>87949530

Stan-lee? He'll be fine
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>>87952621
>wipe memories which were believed to responsible for the barbarism of the two World Wars

memories in general or specific memories?
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>>87949221
Because he's a figurehead for ignorant leftists who don't actually know how badly he messed his own country.

Just like Nelson Mandela.
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>>87954461
>It's a "Real Communism hasn't been tried" episode
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>>87954461
>Castro and Cuba endured.
>l'etat c'est moi
Get the fuck out of here with that shit.
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>>87950275
he never bowed to the USSR. the USSR offered to HELP him with his AMERICAN problem.
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That old fat guy? I thought he was already dead.
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>>87948574
F

;_;
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>>87958540
The Soviets sponsored the Cuban revolution.
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>>87958540
>he never bowed to the USSR.

Bitch please, all Communist states were just puppets for the USSR or China.
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>>87954936
Fuck off, Gaiman.
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>>87949221
After all the shitty right wing dictators the US installed in Latin america and the middle east, I can't help but feel a tiny bit of admiration for somebody who thwarted the CIA for decades.
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>>87958982
>The shitty left-wing dictators installed by the USSR were so much better.
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>>87958982
>He doesn't like based Pinochet.

Faggot.
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>>87954956
Nah that's Hillary. Literally the woman doesn't bathe and smells like hell

Been around enough old folks to know that part happens towards the end
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>>87959051
>Everyone sucked and no one was right
What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
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>>87954309
Well they've been doing that for a while now. NYT is on the brink as its ad revenue plummets and people turn more to indie blogs for their news.

And same will happen for the rest of them.

A Trump Administration isn't gong to babysit and hand feed these guys the news.
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>>87959147
I'm not neutral. I just don't see how you can celebrate a murderer because the CIA tried to take him out.
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>>87954309
>Pretty soon everybody is just going to be calling out any news they disagree with as "fake news" and dismissing sources as biased.
So it's just what Buzzfeed did to hobbyists and pop culture commentators except with shit that actually matters. Can't wait for people to retreat even further into their ponds.
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>>87958340
>If succeeds, it's clearly that is communism
>If fails, it's clearly that isn't communism

>>87958745
No, the commie that kicked the bucket earlier was Chavez
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He finally became a good commie.
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>>87953205

Anon, I know it's a funny meme, but you need to come back to reality.
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>>87956212
So basically /pol/ believes in The Secret now?
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>>87960163
By stopping being a commie?
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>>87960280
The only good commie is a dead commie
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>>87960292
2edgy4me
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>>87960292
Nice
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http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/north-america/item/20816-ex-bodyguard-exposes-fidel-castro-s-drug-dealing-corruption-murders

>Amass a $900 Million fortune and live on a private island while your people live in squalor.
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Sure is comics and cartoons in here.

>>87960311
>>87960292
>brain successfully washed
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>>87959203
Because he had an interesting narrative. That's why people defend him. The conscious disharmony of finding something interesting and condemning it at the same time is too much for some people.
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>>87960354
All communists deserve to be skinned alive.
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>>87960362
Any narrative can seem inspiring if you whitewash it enough
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>>87955710
>/tv/ are shitposters
>/co/mblr
>/v/ doesn't play video games
>/mu/ listens to noise, not music
>/b/ hasn't been relevant since 2006
>Someone coughed, ugh, fuck off /pol/
What others am I missing?
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>>87960396
wew lad he really hit a nerve
now fuck off back to >>>/pol/
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>>87948567
Which episode was this?
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>>87959203
>implying villains aren't more interesting than "heroes"
Pathetic moralfags.
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>>87960224
Who said it was supposed to be funny?
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>>87960396
The fact you're easily triggered.
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>>87951315
>Castro was basically China, but in the third world.
Holy shit you are fucking retarded. Cuba is/was second world.
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>>87961506
Least I don't blame all my problems on shit containment boards.
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>>87961573

Every board shit talks each other, if you can't handle it, then maybe 4chan isn't the place for you.
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>>87960341
The American Dream.
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>>87961692
You're the one whining about other boards hurting your feefees
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>>87948574
F that and F Castro
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>>87961937
True, you just whine about white genocide because Tyrone asked Stacy to the prom.
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