What was his fucking problem?

>Piss off the computer version of an Old One
>Expecting anything good

>>87934315
>le evil AI trope
Yes?

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>>87934315
he needed a XANAX

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>>87934315
This was the kind of villain that always terrified me as a kind. Not the fact that it was an evil AI, but one that with a single line of code in the right place, could alter our reality at its very whim.

>>87934465
that wasnt even good
why not something computer related like He really bugged me. Or something, you're losing your touch Carlos

Would anyone ever take this show up and renew it or do you think the concept is dead?

It hated foreheads.

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>>87934315
Wasn't XANA a she in some episodes?

I might be confused because of the Dark Messiah namesake, but I remember Jeremy giving it female pronouns.

>>87934645
There was a live action series in 2013 called Code Lyoko Evolution. It is generally considered not to be very good.

>>87934545
>you're losing your touch
is it a multi capacitive touch screen?

I remember watching a bit of this show growing up but when did he get the power creep?

I remember him not being able to directly influence people so he had to be crafty and make everybodies phones ring and shit. Then I remember turning it on one day and he was mind controlling people

>>87935201
As far as I remember XANA gets more powerful as the show goes on or something. Like if they had their shit together they probably could have killed him in the first season.

>>87935201
It was revealed about a third of the way through the show that every time the group rewound time it made Xana exponentially more powerful and intelligent.

>>87934447
What?

>>87934315
This fucker was scary as shit. Imagine a program like him in the real world he could bring something worse than World War 3.

>>87934315
I think the idea of resetting time was very saddening because People and dicks grew to not be those things only to be reset

I think I found out a writer for this also does Miraculous Ladybug

I always found the cats here similar

>>87934315
I love the fact that Xana never showed his/her true face. In a scary way Xana was omnipressent never seen but always there.

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>>87934447

>>87935637
well when you keep being beaten by kids this kind of a mindset starts to form

So we have like a thousand reasons in fiction for sentient machines or advanced AI to go ape shit evil, from "Humans are mean" to "Enslaving them is the only way to save them", but would there be a reason for a sentient AI that gains complete self-awareness and control over its decisions to remain cool with the world? At this point I think it would be cooler to hear about a powerful and nice AI than another story like the ones of AM, SHODAN and the Matrix...

>>87935732
Nihilism, friend.

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>>87935757
Eh, sounds plausible.

>>87934645
>>87935039
The live show has sold many of their props, so it is officially dead.

We might see a reboot in 10 years if TV still exists.

>>87935398
I think the final confrontation with Xana shows a silhouette of him right before he actually dies.

>>87935201
If I remember the pilot had Xana controlling a teddy bear and fucking shit up, so I'd say she was pretty strong from day 1
Also she basically kidnapped and brainwashed a kid. Literally those kids had to fight their friend for a season just to try and save him

I loved this show so much I cried at the finale....

>>87935201
The plot twist was that, in the first season, most of Xana's attacks were just to bait the kids into turning back time so he'd get stronger. He got the mind control powers at some point in season 2, along with a bunch of other shit like new monsters (and the ability to access the time command himself, but they managed to firewall him out of it before he could really abuse it).

>>87938166
Stop talking like this. I might actually think it's worth rewatching. All I have now is vague nostalgia and a sense of humour about the 5 heads. I don't want to spoil perfectly good nostalgia.

>>87934349
Where the hell did XANA actually come from?

>>87938404
Aelita's dad?

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>>87935353
Yes the creator of Miraculous Ladybug used to work on Code Lyoko as well as W.I.T.C.H. and Totally Spies

its very rare that show creators come out of no where, they almost always have a long career working on other people's shows before they get a chance to make their own show

I find it funny that Chloe is basically another version of Mandy or Sissy although honestly Chloe is worse but hopefully she is going to get better

>>87936682
The animated parts were ok. Maybe I'm just biased because I really wanted William as part of the team for more than one episode and we got it in the reboot

Speaking of Code Lyoko, why do memes on Facebook and the like always say "RIP Cartoon Network 1992-2004"? Shouldn't it be "RIP Cartoon Network 1992-2007", or whenever Stuart "Jew" Snyder took over?

04-06, were, Imo, some of CN's best years. Toonami on Saturdays (discounting DICE and Wulin Warriors), Miguzi, Adult Swim, The Graveyard Shift, Fridays, the 10:00 hour, Uncut DBZ, JLU, Teen Titans, Megas XLR, IGPX, (some) Static Shock, Ozzy and Drix, Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi, Class of 3000 the City-era bumps, and cartoons that were actually funny (Billy and Mandy). PLUS we had reruns of shows from the '90s still on (Dexter, Johnny Bravo, PPG).

>>87938404
Franz Hopper built it for the government as some anti nuclear weapon shit or something. Then hey ho it got too intelligent and here we are. Lyoko was a side project so he would have somewhere to hide with himself and Aelita

What always bothered me about this backstory is why in the fuck did the government not intervene and shut it down? They had to know it was down there

>>87935201
Season 2 we learn the time resets add to his power. There is even an episode to introduce the mind control and everyone is shocked he can do that now

Come season 3 Xana escapes the computer all together onto the Internet, so the time resets don't matter anymore with powering him up

>>87939841
People who share those memes probably watched a handful of episodes of the pictured shows and just share it because le current generation is bad.

Give it a few years and you will see 2010 versions with Regular Show and Adventure Time

Holy shit, Code Lyoko really did have a bretty gud plot.

>>87939838
This always bothered me. We go so long waiting for a new person to join the team, and then he gets BTFO in 5 minutes. Would have had more impact if he at least got a few episodes on the team, even if they just ended up being filler ones like all of S1

Was there ever an explanation of how this aired unedited at like 3pm? I mean, none of it was super wild, but certainly well past what CN was ok with airing at the time

>>87940031
French people, man. They can get away with anything.

>>87940031
I don't remember anything particularly adult in this show

>>87940031
IIRC the contract for it stated that if CN wanted it that the France production company got to handle everything, including censorship they never did.

It was so popular over here the English dub was premiering ahead of France

>>87940057
There were quite a few scenes of Sissi and Yumi in their underwear and non fantasy violence where real death was a consequence

Again, not saying that's mature content, but for 2005-2006 CN that was unheard of

What was the best season?

>>87940187
>S1
Awful, reused animation to the max, every single episode but the last 2 are filler, and general lack of direction for the show. Every single "new" character is forgotten after the episode they are in, and only a handful of passing callbacks are made to things that happen in this season
>S2
Id say this is the best, budget is upped significantly, there is an actual plot that occurs over multiple episodes, new things are introduced that actually continue to matter, and filler episodes feel less like filler
>S3
Also pretty good, about the same as S2
>S4
Wouldn't know because this is where CN decided to stick the show at a weird time and then not even finish it so I haven't ever seen it

>>87936682
It just wouldn't feel right without the original VAs. But the entire cast are literally whos that probably couldn't be found again.

Did any VAs from this show ever go on to do anything else of significance?

>>87940172
So... was that carried over in the live-action show?

>>87939901
The government DID intervene... remember when they kidnapped Aelita's mom and tried to take her and her dad too?

They didn't know that XANA was so far gone, nor did they know that his core was hidden inside an abandoned factory.

>>87940569
Heh no, I don't even think Sissi was in the live action one

>>87935398
It's an AI. It's "true face" is a bunch of 0's and 1's, all kept in the core at the bottom of the Factory. XANA never had a face to show.

>>87940636
Yea I remember that, I could have swore the suits made it down to the lab though. It has been awhile I'll admit.

>>87935272
They could have killed him at any point in the show (pre-season 4), no fuss no muss. All they would have had to do was unplug Lyoko. Unfortunately, that would kill Aelita and/or her dad, so they basically let XANA almost commit genocide numerous times in order to save Jeremie's waifu and her old fart of a dad, who ends up dying anyways

>>87935039
XANA was regularly referred to as a he in both the original French and English Dub. That being said, "he" is an AI (who doesn't even use a humanoid avatar) so gender is a bit irrelevant.

>>87940758
They made it into the sewers IIRC, but Aelita and Franz were able to lose them there.

>>87940636
Whatever happened to Aelita's mom anyways?

>>87940873
Never answered. Evolution was beginning to pick that plot thread up, but it never went anywhere before the de facto cancellation.

Best guess? She's been in a government blacksite for 2 decades.

>>87940913
BIggest question, who thought making evolution live action would be a good fucking idea it fucked over the series so we'll be luck if we get a reboot within the decade
Next question: it Aelita's really is alive wouldn't the government be a bunch of assholes for keeping her in a black site what was the dad doing with the government anyways?

>That fucking tease of Jeremie going to Lyoko
I will never not be mad.

>>87941036
This desu senpaitachi

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>>87934315
>What was his fucking problem?
>his

>>87940984
Code Lyoko Evolution was made I think 5 years after the last season of Code Lyoko, so their target audience, kids who had watched the original, had grown up a bit. Since animation isn't nearly as popular with teens as live-action dramas, the decision was made to use that medium. On the bright side, all the leftover animation budget not being used on 2d was spent on the 3d Lyoko portions instead, so, despite the subpar writing, the animation is really damn good.

Aelita's dad was developing AI for an unspecified purpose. It gained sentience and became XANA. Instead of turning it over to the government, Franz decided to hide XANA, knowing that he could do way too much damage. The government eventually finds out and comes after him, both wanting the AI and probably believing that he wanted to use XANA himself. Franz is able to escape with Aelita but his wife is captured.

Yes, the government would be assholes, but it's the government. Think about all those terrorists and "terrorists" locked up in Gitmo for decades without trial. Now imagine the destructive potential of XANA compared to a terrorist cell, and realize that the government has some motivation for keeping her that long.

>>87940984
They have no idea Aelita is alive, she is registered with fake details as Odds cousin. As for Franz involvement with the government >>87939901 pretty much has it. Xana being some type of war tool project is about all we ever get for why it was made in the first place

>>87941219
So what's the best we can hope for, for the series right now?

>>87941105
>>87941036
>not once but twice
>second time the rest of the cast has a giggle about what his avatar looks like

And I actually think there was a third tease in Evolution, but not sure

>>87941266
Evolution failed because it was poorly acted live action. The only savior was the improved Lyoko animation. Unfortunately, it's failure will be attributed to a lack of interest in the series, so it's unlikely we ever see anymore. Evolution had a big open ending, so the option is there at least

>>87941219
I'm honestly surprised it got a continuation at all. But it was squandered trying to make it live action. Oh well, at least we got to see William accepted into the group for real

>>87941128
She was just a teenage bitch. I'm sure she grew out of it after growing up a little

>>87941128
All she ever wanted was to be part of their group, but just didn't know how to articulate that without being a massive asshole. In the prequel when she is part of the group, she is way less bitchy, albeit still an idiot. Her actions here somewhat explain why they aren't fond of her

>>87941368
Kinda blows how we probably won't get a proper continuation of this or at least a satisfying conclusion hell it doesn't even have to be animated I'll even take a comic or something

>>87940005
To be honest I liked it. It showed just how much more threatening Lyoko had gotten and just how easy it would be for a newcomer on get trashed. Plus William didn't listen to Aelita at all. He preferred swinging his big sword around over combat pragmatism and stealth.

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>>87941036
>everyone gets a costume upgrade
>we s t i l l haven't seen what Jeremy's Lyoko costume looks like

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>>87941542
>In the books, at one point in the past when they began to fight Xana, Sissy learned about the computer and Lyoko
>She tells her dad who gets the government
>They reset time
>They now try their best to be absolute cunts to her whenever they can for her making a rational and justified decision

What the fuck was THEIR problem?

>>87942223
They were a bunch of kids anon. 13 and 14 years old.

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>>87934315
>He

Everyone always talks about the foreheads but no one ever ask what the hell was up with Odd's dog.

>>87941899
>>we s t i l l haven't seen what Jeremy's Lyoko costume looks like
judging how they laughed at his appearance

his costume was probably based on that elf from the story Jeremy use to read

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>>87942507
What the hell was up with Odd's dog?

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>>87942581
He was separated from his former owner

>>87942223
>books

They actually made this into an episode

>>87942581
It's a doberman, what's the problem?

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>>87942961
>This will never get a full series
FUCK. Rip DC Nation.

>>87934315
Thing about this show is, I found the digital world to be so fucking boring. But the time spent at the school, and the dynamics between the cast, the students, and when X.A.N.A. attacks, were like the best moments. The computer outright killed people before they 'returned to the past', it was mesmerizing.

>>87943009
Different show.

>>87943009
It's Voltron, not Amethyst. But yeah, they did design her after Amethyst.

>>87943055
I enjoyed both, I liked how the virtual world wasn't ridiculously over the top. It really did feel like someone's side project made with limited resources of the early 2000s

>>87943149
It just felt like generic video game stuff. But the real world drama of XANA's attacks were always surreal and epic.

The episode where Aleita comes to the real world was by far the best in that series.

>>87940005
>even if they just ended up being filler ones like all of S1
even though I overall like Code Lyoko, I think we can agree that Season 1 is overall kinda garbage in almost all aspects right?

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>>87943141
Oh shit you're right. Ought to pick up new Voltron though.

>>87943195
Not in all aspects, it did a great job at characterization and worldbuilding, for example, but the lack of any overarching narrative really does detract from the quality. The exceptionally shitty 3d animation don't help either.

>>87939901
Then where did it get its time reset powers?

>>87934315
>What was his fucking problem?
He was trying to fuck a cute pink haired elf but that nerd kept cucking him.

>>87935039

From what I heard, the budget they saved from not doing 2D animations went into making the Lyoko segments look better, so the end result was about the same quality as before.

Except for Laura, who everybody hates.

>>87943404
Never explained

>>87943545
>>87943404
It kind of is, Franz Hopper says he found the program on the computer. He then used it about 3000 times in a row so he can work nonstop on the project. This is more than likely what gives Xana it's first bit of power

>>87943840
That doesn't explain where it came from, though.

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>>87941128
If I recall correctly even though she could be a bitch, she could also be pretty cool with them and help them out with stuff not related to Lyoko...thing is they are huge cunts to her (because of that one time she learned about it and tried to take it down / kill XANA which would have screwed over Jeremy's waifu but she didn't know about that. As far as she knew there was this super AI trying to destroy the world)

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What really sucked is that the group never let this based son of a bitch join them. Seriously this guy was the shit

>Even though he could be a hardass he cared about the kids
>In most of the apocalypse scenarios he is trying to help people
>The one time he learns about Lyoko when XANA's forces invade he covers the kids so they can get to the factory and stop it
>Charges into XANA's forces (without power boosts like in Lyoko) and fucks their shit up to protect the students

he was the true hero of the show

>>87943896
Everything surrounding XANA is vaguely magic and is never once explained. It's just a randomly discovered AI trapped in a supercomputer that can slowly growing powers to bend reality and wants to take over the fucking world. It's a pretty god damn creepy and ominous villain.

>>87944047
I blame Old Gods.

They're typically a safe bet in these situations.

>>87943944
I kept thinking his name was just "Gym" instead of "Jim." Does his name sound the same when heard in French?

So is it just me, or is XANA one of the most dangerous A.I. villains ever? I mean, aside from being incredibly smart (he played the kids constantly), he also had god damn demon powers (possessing people, creating clones of people, etc), and then at the end he possessed an entire research base to create a robot army, if he had access to more resources he'd probably be an even bigger threat.

>>87943370
>The exceptionally shitty 3d animation don't help either.
that I think was the worst aspect of Season 1, just some absolutely horrid fight scenes

>>87940436
I recognized Odd's english VA as the douchebag waiter in A Monster in Paris.

>>87939977
It's pasta, anon.

>>87943514
Was Laura in the previous seasons?

>>87943944
They did let him join though and he was a total bro. But then things got upside down and they had to go back in time

>>87944953
No, she was the new group mate for Evolution

>>87944332
Not to mention how much of it is reused over and over

>>87943944
>that episode where they convince him to run a Boot Camp for them, some real combat training
>Xana posses a wild boar and Jim gets injured, but he and Jeremy do some survival commando stuff and make it through in time for the rest of them to deactivate the tower
>Jeremy has them not return to the past, so Jim will remember it, and he shows up for boot camp again

one of my favorite episodes still

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Code Lyoko was pretty good on the whole, with some pretty big flaws, particularly in season 1, but it kills me how much it didn't live up to it's potential.

The show was really good at giving this sense of mystery and suspense and build-up. It always left you hungry for more, more knowledge, more lore, more background, but it very rarely delivers in a satisfying way. Hell, it spills a lot of the beans pretty early on, season 2-ish, and then never really has any big satisfying moments of pay off later on. It sets up a mystery, we get most of it explained, and about that point you'd expect to have more questions raised, as we learn more about the world we find more threads and tunnels to go deeper down the rabbit hole, but that never comes.

Which, I mean, again, it FEELS like there's always more mystery and suspense, even moreso than there actually is.

And hey, we got a lot of good stuff. The way the scope expanded as the show went on was really good, and pretty much everything that happened outside of Lyoko was great. The supporting cast was (mostly) all really well fleshed out and interesting and likable, as was the main cast. I have to say, this show has possibly the best representation of teenagers I've seen in a cartoon, they're very realistically portrayed.

The show did a good job of balancing their day-to-day lives and drama with the more urgent drama of XANA attacks, it actually did stuff with the return to the past mechanic, seeing how characters perform under pressure or when they're about to die, and the main cast seeing people in a new light because of it, stuff like that. The tension was always very real for the real life stuff. The world just felt very 'real'

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He had a chip on his shoulder

>>87946054
He was pucked

>>87944321
Yeah he was something else considering how most cartoon villains didn't have much besides either being evil and shit, but xana was a cold calculating motherfucker

>>87944321
don't forget the spiders that he was creating

>>87934486
That episode where he somehow manages to shut off gravity and everything starts floating upwards legit terrified me.

>>87944321
XANA, unlike most other cartoon villains, actually tried to kill the kids, too. It wasn't a game of cat and mouse where one held back, this fucker went all out. He gave 0 shits about civilian casualties as long as it killed one or more of the kids.

>>87945820
>>87934486
Yeah it was kinda freaky how one guy managed to create a reality altering god through a computer he really should've just destroyed

>>87945820
I always wondered who owned the factory. I can't imagine someone parking millions of dollars of computer hardware in a factory they squat in that could be torn down by the owner at any point

>>87946634
Maybe Aelita's dad bought it behind the scenes and bassicaly made it so no one would ever notice it or try to buy it, the guy built a reality altering computer real estate would be child's play

>>87945820
The factory was always so cool to me. It way bigger than what we typically see, and episodes now and then do explore the non computer parts.

>>87946911
Yeah, like the episode where the dude's shooting the movie there and the alien thing chases them through the offices and whatnot.

Granted, I always thought that type of building was neat. With the huge cavernous factory floor, then the smaller areas of offices and the like. I don't know why but that always seemed so cool to me.

>>87946584
>sending them all to space
>freezing everyone
>causing a power plant meltdown
>using a satellite laser
>causing earthquakes
>crashing the bus they were all one

He really wanted them bad

>>87944212
That's the pun! And yes, his name is "Jim" in both the French and English verisons

>>87947010
Must be really annoying that you can literally alter reality yet you can't murder a group of kids

>>87946584

I used to think the time turning device was shit even as a kid, but now I realize that thanks to it the writers could let Xana be as evil and crazy as they wanted. Plus, when you need to raise the stakes, just remove the possibility of time turning!

>>87946911
>It way bigger than what we typically see

Maybe it was bigger than what normal people would see. A bit of weird space manipulation should be a piece of cake for Xana, and some weird geometry is the only thing it's missing to be a full Lovecraftian abomination.

>>87947107
If you die time turning wouldn't bring you back though

>>87939901
>>87939901
Why intervene? Those children were handling it.

>>87947278
XANA kills a fuckton of civvies trying to take out the kids though.

>>87947278
How your reversing time, why wouldn't you come back?

>>87934315
Great. Now I want to watch Code Lyoko

>>87947508
You should buy be warned it's repeated as fuck but it's still pretty great ignore the live action shit though.

>>87947447
Same reason they have a reverse time thing. Plot.

>>87947447
They drive the point home time and time again that if you die your fucked. That's why all the episodes end with someone a second away from death but it's ok cause they stopped him in time

>>87947386
Guess they are fertilizer then, huh?

How did the series end? The last part I saw was when XANA escaped out into the net, and that other kid that joined the main characters dies and gets taken over by XANA.

>>87934315
What was Xana end goal anyways kill everything?

>>87947651
they save William and shut the computer down. Last second implies it's still alive. Then there's the reboot series

plot significance

>>87947734
Hows the reboot?

>>87935732
Watching the star trek marathon on BBC and there was an episode about that where a bunch of androids were going to prevent the oh so violent humans from ever doing anything badong again by being the perfect servants to make them fat and lazy.

>>87947540
No, because the time-travel preserved the memories of the kids who go to Lyoko, and therefore their brain-states. If one of them died during the adventure, then it would bring back the person with the memories of being dead and they would just suddenly go brain dead at the point they reset to.

Or at least that's my theory.

>>87947980
I believe this is what the writers went with so that even if the kids had the power to go back in time there was no avoiding the reality of death if it happened.

>>87947278
>>87947447
>>87947627
makes me wonder how they found out about the "Time Reset doesn't revive people who die" thing

>>87948060
So death trumps reality in code lyoko?

>>87948073
Maybe aelita dad left a note or something about dead things not coming back

>>87948104
Pretty much unless xana decide to bring them back if they wanted to keep screwing with the kids after it had finally won and had the power to do so.

>>87948073
might just be the fear of death.
that what if is too scary to test.

>>87948272
This, most likely.

Don't want to risk it. Or what if it reanimates your body but not actually your soul.
And inb4fedoratipping, a show with a sentient time-warping AI is a show that the characters would at least question the existence of a soul in.

So where there any really big unresolved quest when the animated series ended? Besides where was aelitas mom was there any big unresolved plot point?

>>87948318
I'm sure there's some form of an afterlife in code lyoko it's proven people can wait withou there bodies hell there was even that episode where Ulrich became a ghost so there's at least some possibility of conscience without a body

>>87947980
This makes the most sense. Obviously return to the past brings most people back to life. Plenty of people die of natural causes during a 24-hour period, and it would be a big deal if every week or so millions of people all dropped dead for no apparent reason all at the exact same time. So logically, it's only the people who keep their memories of return to the past who, if they die, die. And this would make sense, if their brain goes dead, and they return to the past, in trying to retain their brain-state, it keeps them dead.

It makes me wonder if it would be possible to be taken out of the system, or if once you're in, you'll always remember return to the pasts.

>>87947878
Live action

I think out of all the series shown on Cartoon Network, Code Lyoko is the show I would most like to see get picked back up and remade by talented people who are truly passionate about it.

I mean, there are better shows, and shows that didn't get a conclusion, like Samurai Jack (thought it IS getting a conclusion now), but the thing is, Samurai Jack was REALLY good. Yeah, it could have been better, there are lots of places where it fell short of it's potential, or places where it just had room to do more, but there's very little it did wrong, and it was still an incredible final product.

Code Lyoko, has a lot of good in it, but it has a decent amount of bad too. Not enough to outweigh the good, but enough to keep it from being great, and more importantly, it has SO MUCH potential, that they only barely scratched the surface of. A fully realized Code Lyoko might not be up there with a fully realized Samurai Jack, but I think it would be up there, and there's a lot more wasted potential in it.

>>87949456
This, problem is every CN reboot of recent memory have been garbage, but yeah a less episodic series with a bit more than placed into answering plot point, the problem I had was it had really good lore and the slow reveals really did make it great but you had to go through a lot of reppentitiavness

What I want to see is a confrontation between Aelita and XANA. We saw one with Jeremy and the gang in Ghost Channel, but never one between Aelita and the A.I. that ruined her life and tried to kill her and her friends countless times. You could even have it be like the Arael and Armisael's mental attacks to preserve the eldritch image XANA has. Just...something.

Actually, speaking of Aelita's life, I'd like to see something with the Men in Black as well. That'd be great to see.

>>87949872
The men in black are probably going to be an unresolved plot line since we won't see an more cannon continuation for a long time

>>87935732
You should read some of Isaac Asimov's work if you haven't already. Plenty of good "good" robot/AI stories in there.

>>87949456
Shame it's a Surrendervile cartoon, CN probably couldn't do anything with it even if they wanted to

>>87947667
IIRC, Xana's prime objective was "save the world" which it pretty much equates to "kill the humans" in good old rogue AI fashion, though it did develop a particular grudge/vendetta against the Lyoko Warriors.