What went wrong?

>>87934190
Everything went wrong.
The only thing that went right was it ending.

Both of the designs are ugly.

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>>87934190

>>87934190
not a damn thing, I love fat girls

>>87934190
Everything, honestly.

>>87934230
The pilot design at least looks like a 20-something chub instead of a four year-old with tits.

>>87934190
>relatable down on her luck girl
>mentally handicapped child who can't function on her own

Who thought this was a good idea

>>87934227
This.

>New shitty artstyle
>Bee became even more of a shitty manchild and "epic maymay" spouter
>It became ""quirky"" and ""fun"" rather than story based with humorous elements as the pilot implied

I can't believe this got 872,000 bucks for its production.

This actually REALLY puts things into perspective for me. That money could have been used to build shelters or provide food to starving children, yet it brought THIS into the world.

>>87934227
>>87934258

tumblr

Plain and simple

>>87934190
THICCCCCCCC MAN JAW

>>87934301
>a four year-old with tits
I can't unsee it now, fuck you

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>>87934310
You think that's bad?


Look at pic related.

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>That cuckoo faggot fucking with us with the links to episodes 7-10
>Those links expired
>He got people having a thread about this fluke for more than 6 hours!

>>87934390
And people STILL say CGI is more profitable?


What the hell? I miss 2d animated films so much. If only stupid children weren't the only audience they cater to for animated films.

>>87934190
Crowdfunding is what went wrong.

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>>87934444
Agreed anon

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>>87934190

>>87934444
Secret of kells
Worldwide: $739,454

Ice Age: CC
Worldwide: $407,446,018

here we go, another thread of complaining, no links

>>87934230
This, there shouldn't have been high hopes for this.

>>87934190
People love to point out the fatness but is anyone else pissed off how much the right's face looks like bootleg Miyazaki?

>>87934847
GKIDS movies have very limited releases. Almost nobody watches them other than their own niche.

Illumination/Blue Skyshit does hugely in places like India and Latin America because they're pretty much the only animated films distributed there and the standards are so low the kids probably watch finger family videos.

>>87935217
>>87935217
>finger family
do i want to know?
latin america is weird, they seem to have shitty standards and be happy to enjoy bootlegs, but on the other hand historically theyve had tons of good shit from america and japan running there all the time. sometimes reeally great anime we never get, and (until recently) with fewer edits

but yeah india.. their online "entertainment" is so bad it's confusing.. why would those bizarre flash cartoons be all indian kids have to look at? if they have the internet they have the whole internet.

>>87934847
Secret of Kells gross was $3,582,797.


What are you on about? That's pretty damn good for a niche animated film.

>>87935549
that's still under half of its budget

>>87934190
Got the rug pulled out from under them by youtube changing their payment algorithm. Suddenly they've got no budget, and so the series will look worse and take longer to come out because they can't hire a full staff.

Bravest Warriors had a pretty good update schedule before youtube fucked over animators.

>>87935888
funny thing is, of all the shitty things youtube has done, really this one isnt an example of them being shitty.. because the shitty thing was offering so much money in the first place, without putting safeguards in place against people doing linkbait to exploit it.. it created an artificial bubble which we're still frowning about the popping of.

>>87934230
This. The pilot looked too much like Adventure Time/Bravest Warriors shit.

>>87935490
In the case of Chile I haven't noticed the presence of bootleg shows or movies, kids generally love CG films but there's barely any advertisement for other kind of animated films (with the exception of Kubo). If you want to see different animation you have to go to festivals which don't get a lot of publicity outside of the city where they happen.

Years ago there used to be a lot of anime on public access TV (we once had Akira on prime time), but nowadays we only get CN or Nick shows.

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nothing

it was never good.

Post the damn links to the last episodes.

I wonder how pissed the people who funded this show are. Wasn't the minimum donation $20?

>>87936593
people are saying to get the links you only had to donate 1 dollar
i think i was going to donate but it was already overfunded by the time I got to it

>>87936593
20 minimum? Where did you pull that out of?

>>87936114
/thread

>>87935490
Don't they have some kind of Hindu inspired Johnny Test like show on Cartoon Network there? It seemed interesting

>>87935490
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Cdl6IPRjfY

>>87934230
idk i liked the original design

>>87939372
i mean fair enough that's not the actual videos they have.. i think these are actually less funny

>>87939778
I was just answering your finger family question.

>>87939916
OH right. Yeah. crazy.

>>87935217
>watch finger family videos

Is it really that bad? jesus christ.

>>87934190
The right looks too fat.
>inb4 low test

>>87934190
>Redesign by R Crumb

>>87934444
yeah, super agree on this one. I still hope there is a time in the next years, that nostalgia is too strong that a 2d animated film will open everyone is fuckin eyes :)

>>87941269
I wish there was more discussion of art styles instead of graphics types. As far as I'm concerned, Iron Giant and Incredibles are exactly the same. the cg aspect is irrelevant. they're both ugly.
the reason I liked the princess and the frog is that it looked like classic disney art, instead of the weird directions they had gone in hercules, pocahontas, emperor's new groove, etc. and I liked Tangled for the same reason
Frozen on the other hand seems to be going really weird and deformed again, and that seems to be the trend at the moment.. weirdly angled eyes and tiny low noses and mouths. halfway to Dreamworks but still not quite that bad.. good god Dreamworks has oogly art.

>>87940559
>making claims on a woman being owner of a body figure closer to that of an inflated deformed cucumber automatically equates to being low test
there was a time where people had balls between their legs large enough to let such shitposting slide by

>>87941429
to be honest, that kind of sounds superficial, and me saying that is hypocrite because i talk like i prefer 2d movies. but we have to admit there is just so much of CGI, that even if that is profitable, it s fuckin exhausting to see in these days. The ice age movies are the best example.

>>87934301
The series version looks like she has Downs and severe encephalitis. Not even memeing, it's objectively poor and easily misreadable cues in the design and shape language genuinely giving me that impression.

The pilot version at least looked like a decently-stylised take on a cute, somewhat homely 20-something woman.

>>87942716
yeah but the aesthetic problems with ice age are all in the designs. they'd be just as ugly in 2d.. and indeed, a lot of cartoons use that same aesthetic.

>>87934190
Everything

didn't they throw out the entire backstory foreshadowed in the pilot?

>>87944846
no

>>87944846
No, they just shoved it into the last episode

>>87944864
Were there more than the 2 episodes I watched of the series? Because in it there was basically nothing about it. They just made the cat the evil sidekick to the retarded girl.

>>87940559
Sorry, only high-test alphas can post in THIS thread, manlet scum!

>>87942886
how can someone look like they have encephalitis?

I STILL find it funny that she's starving, we never see her go heavy on carbs and yet she's still fat because
>MUH "RELATABILITY".

>>87944966
Yes, there are more than 2 episodes.

>>87948345
She's not starving though, because she's a robot.

>>87934190
Everything

>>87935052
Well, Natasha IS a huge weeb.

>>87942716
Exactly. I don't hate CG, I just want some variety, dammit.

>>87934847
>Ice Age: CC
>Worldwide: $407,446,018

This planet needs to be glassed...

>>87950135
you can't blame the sheep for poor shepherds
we just need to take them back from the folk fleecing them, and get them back into our pen where they belong, to be guided by our loving arms..
it was GOOD movies that built america, and someday, when they're done demonizing the industrial revolution, history books will recognize that and give artists the credit we deserve as the founders of our superpower economy

>>87934190
I literally feel the creator duped everyone with a "cute girl" desigh then went MUH FEMANISTISM on the final desigh no matter how the fans would take it.

>the first episode (not the pilot) came out 2 years ago
>there's only been 5 episodes released since then
JUST

>>87950423
nat isn't becky sugar. she's just a kooky little girl who wants to have fun and play with cartoons
she randomly got on /co/ one day and asked what a female finn would be called, and drew her for us. then refined the design a bit when it didnt look different enough from finn. then this went into the show

then she drew comics about how the designs for cake came by with changed eyes that she didn't like, and she bitched about fixing them, and then when they still weren't the right color she felt too guilty to correct them a second time.
this woman is fully aware of her foibles and is under no circumstances trying to go muh-anything on anyone. she's just a kid. she's just a female equivalent of pen ward. kids who never grew up but got to achieve the dreams that kids for decades have wanted.. then got crushed under the pressure and the reality of it all.

>>87950464
even better, they're all a single digit number of minutes long
it's pretty damn disappointing, but what /co/ never seems to keep in perspective is that disappointment is proof that they're doing something right, otherwise you wouldn't have felt anything, disappointment or otherwise. it's like the pain of loss reminding you of how great what you had was.. it's a tribute.

>>87950811
I'm not sure if I agree with that logic... but then, I was never someone who was looking forward to this.
About the only thing I've seen outside of the pilot episode (which I thought was terrible) was a 20? minute "behind the scenes" thing where it was just a complete hipster convention. If the staff hasn't changed since then, it doesn't surprise me at all that there's been shit all progress in two years.

>>87934190
nothing went right.

>>87934190
URINE AND FECES FELINE?

The only thing I've ever watched of this series was some clip on my 3DS a couple of years ago.

I finally watched the pilot a second ago.
I'm starting to hate this whole "quirky" thing in cartoons. It never feels natural, it always feels forced

>>87934190
Bait and switch scam

>>87934190
She got bitten by the Utz girl

>>87935052
lol wut?

>>87934190
Was boring for too long.
Only got fun at episode 4 and then all the delays happend.
Does anyone have links for 5-6? Apparently your can only watch them on some US only service?

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>>87934190
YOU TOOK TOO LONG
NOW YOUR FANS ARE ALL GONE
THATS WHAT HAPPENED

BAGOW

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>>87934190
>people paid for tumblr trash
>people got tumblr trash
I fail to see the problem

>>87956449
>get anything done?
It got renewed multiple times so yeah it probably did get stuff done.

>>87952249
It feels a hell of a lot more natural now than it did last decade or the decade before that.
>>87954389
either toonova or watchcartoon

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>>87934190
Tumblr was a mistake

>>87934444
marketing is also in the budget i think. ice age movies get a lot of money for that

>>87935217
>the standards are so low the kids probably watch finger family videos

> says America

kek, are as popular there as here only toddler from this decade watch them

Movies in the other hand, we just get the regular disney/dreamworks/universal studios animated movies. Not like Secret of Kells would have any chance to compite against big companies publicity & merchandise, just like in USA (american kids watching Secret od Kells, lmao, not even you adults have actual good taste

>>87958126
why dont your toddlers watch normal american shit for toddlers?

>>87934190
she became an 1970s anime?

>>87958145
Not him but tbf family finger videos appear in every Youtube recommended videos list.

If you are watching videos of anything related to animation (or capeshit) for any age, those videos will end up appearing in your lists

>>87934310
Natasha need to find her voice is all. It's very apparent Ward have an influence on her. The pilot felt like Natasha being herself and the series felt like Natasha attempting Ward.

>>87958237
and? you don't look at your reccommended videos.

>>87958519
attempting ward would be great
the series felt like nat attempting sugar

>>87935052
Not surprising Miyazaki is huge with normalfags and his films cater to an acceptal audience.

Wouldn't surprise me if someone at Frederator told Natasha to keep the art as simple as possible and she opted for a Miyazaki look because if Easterners think all animation is Disney then Westerners sure as hell must think all animation is Ghibli.

>>87949932
Considering she like anime and all, I thought she'd opt for a more stylized shoujo aesthetic and not budget Miyazaki. She did list Rumiko Takahashi as her influence.

>>87935217
>they're pretty much the only animated films distributed there
You dont know anything about latín america. Im from Argentina and we get every American animated movie plus ghibli. Ice age did good numbers in USA too. Don't proyect.

>>87940660
Ha!

>>87934190
Did they ever actually make any statement or explanation as to why Bee shrank a foot and became a lot fatter?

Or are they still trying to sneak that one past all viewers and hoping no one notices still three years later?

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>>87934190
She is a robot anon, she just reconfigured into Shortstack Fatbitch Battlemode for the series because that was the optimum form.

>>87958538
>Bravest Warrior
>Adventure Time
>attempting Ward
>great
Nah.

I want Natasha to be herself and make something genuine to her heart.

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>>87958764
well we have her comics.. or do you prefer the art she mostly does, like this? http://natazilla.tumblr.com/
because they're pretty different, but I kinda like both in their own ways

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but on the other hand she seems to like the new bee so i don't even
she seems to be drawing herself less ugly than before
i remember she had this phase where she drew that little fat thing from jersey shore, the thing south park made fun of, like it was her favorite. i dunno, i know quirky girls like that and they're a lot of fun but sometimes you just shake your head like wtf why do you like that. why are you drawing it 4 inches tall living in your pocket.

>>87959149
>Character is not colored in
>Nose is still red

>>87957603
>She does not fit into any traditional mold!
of course! we need to commission those XXXL molds from overseas!

>>87958524
>being illiterate

>>87959844
indian kids can read.. right?

>>87957603
>was
*is

>>87958691
http://beeandpuppycat.cartoonhangover.com/post/102545158522/why-did-the-art-change
>I wasn’t happy with how the animation studio interpreted the original design, so i counteracted the choices i made and hoped it would animate better… but also I redesigned it cuz i wasn’t happy with how I designed it either!!
People literally helped her shaping the show for better and she threw it away. Can you imagine the backers raction when this post was made? Welcome to our world.

>>87935888
>>87935959
Can someone please explain what happened? I just saw this show for the first time over Thanksgiving.

>>87960246
youtube used to give out mad cash for videos based on clicks, but they changed it so you get paid per minute, which means anyone who only puts out a few videos a month makes very little, while shitting out tons of quick little videos makes a ton

>>87934190
It never went right to begin with.

>>87960429
So they've basically made it to favor quantity over quality?

>>87960517
Yes, its why creative content died there over lets plays. Im surprised no site has replaced yt yet.

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>>87950811
>but what /co/ never seems to keep in perspective is that disappointment is proof that they're doing something right

>>87934190
They both look like shit?

EVERYTHING IS TUMBLR

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>>87960854
EVERYTHING BUT LINKS ON THE NEW EPISODES DAMMIT

>>87959785
k e k

i don't mind the show

its confy enough

>>87960893
Donate some money to the "I paid for this shit" charity for episodes.

>>87961237
yeah it has problems but it's still nice.

links please someone

>>87934444
>And people STILL say CGI is more profitable?
They are. Do you have any idea how much money those Ice Age movies make?

What I dont get is why digitalizing 2d animation hasnt made it cheaper. eliminating cels and cameras should have made the whole thing cost a fraction what it used to AND much, much faster.. but we didn't see any sign of that

>>87964191

When things get more efficient, you get two options:

>We can reinvest these savings to get better quality.
>We can reduce the budget and get the same quality.

Guess which one management/bean counters choose.

I think natasha allegri is a weirdo. Borderline autistic. The new eps are done, but, who cares at this point, nobody wants the weeb adventures of girl clarence. Her ego, mixed with youtube, made all that money go to waste. If cn cared about its shows maybe penn wouldnt have to create the industry, retard sugar would of stayed on at, and we wouldnt of had the herpes that steven universe created amongst fandoms.

>>87950787

>she's just a kid. she's just a female equivalent of pen ward. kids who never grew up but got to achieve the dreams that kids for decades have wanted.. then got crushed under the pressure and the reality of it all.

That's a pretty accurate description of her.

>>87964711
fine, but they arent acting like the budget was reduced. they're still canceling shit for cost reasons, saying other shit costs too much to make, etc

>>87964819
Its also defines autism

>>87964721
>nobody wants the weeb adventures of girl clarence.
I do!
>>87964819
yeah. I'll take that over the alternative for sure.

The creator had good ideas but wasn't a good enough writer to make it work for a full fledged series.

>>87964920

Because by choosing to cut budgets for the same returns, they have raised their expectations of what acceptable ROI is.

That said, the biggest cost in animation has always been in manpower, not equipment. But that's not our problem because we outsource almost everything. Any efficiencies that are created in animation are sucked by the middle men in the process. Any real budget increases are eaten away producers, writers, and voice actors on our end.

>>87934444
CGI is definitely more profitable. A model only has to be made once and built on from there for all the movies in a franchise. 2D Animation is done from the ground up. The only time CGI can fuck you over is when the system you use to make the models costs more than it would have cost to make koreans animators in a sweatshop make your film, and you make a shitty gross in the hundreds of thousands range or less like Kellis.

>>87965159
but they could lay off the cel-laying guy, the cel painter, the guy keeping track of the paint.. man...
the fact that you're probably right pisses me off
thankfully almost nobody in this thread knows their ass from their earhole

>>87934493
Why do you say that?

>>87950787
>>87964819
I believe you, but how do you know this?

>>87967062
we were there. this is part of /co/ history

>>87948581
well where are they nigga?

Oh, this thing made it to TV?

It was a sort of entertaining pilot, but I don't get it. Did Bravest end up on TV as well?

>>87968160
No, Bee & Puppycat is strictly online

BW will come to television soon

>>87968160
no
you don't?
and not yet, but it will soon.. or at least, other things purchased in the same big purchase by said company are going to be on tv, on all different channels, so this probably will too.

>>87968341
>>87968342
I hope they don't screw up BW when they bring it on TV. It had a very weird feel to it.

As for Bea, online only and already fucked. That blows. Oh well. I guess there is only so much ground to cover with these cutesy "weird" shows.

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>tfw you remember watching the pilot and having hope for modern cartoons by the end
>then you watched episode 2

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Are the episodes uploaded somewhere off the kickstarter yet? yet to see them.

>>87934190

The simpler style looks better on her

Also THICC

and she has prettier colours now

>>87934190
The plot has great art and character design, the signs of some dank lore, and a good mix of cute with nightmare fuel.

That was all lost. Even if just 1 or 2 of these things stayed In could defend this, but I can't. I'm not enraged, I just feel hurt and betrayed.

>>87972858
There is literally nothing correct about what you said.

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>>87972858
I disagree, but I could look past it if it wasn't for the horrible handling of everything else.

>>87972858
>prettier colours
For a kid, maybe.

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>>87934301
Shit now I lost my boner. I was about to fap to bee until you said she looks like a toddler

>>87972858
>THICC
No she's just fat.

>>87959149
Look, I'm sorry for the buzzword spouting, really. But that is such a "tumblr" art style it's not even funny. The only way it could be any more mediocre, would be if it were a stick man.

>>87959488
shes pale, and states its cold

I suggest working on your contextual reading skills

>>87972615
youtube

>>87934190
When did it become fashionable for women to wear those granny-panty looking shorts and skirts that ride up to their ribcage? Is it just fat girls trying to look thin? Because it doesn't work. It always looks awful.

>>87973219
it is definitely tumblry for sure. she clearly likes that kinda thing. but it's not the only way she draws either

>>87934301
My sentiments as well.

>>87973365
Those pants weren't made for fat girls. Part of their draw is that they are so ugly and unflattering that the only people who can pull then off are young, reasonably thin/fit women.

I would prefer a show about her brown best friends.

>>87973949
Those guys were cunts

I'd go for a full Puppycat series

>>87973949

I can't understand why. They're both worse characters than Bee.

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>>87973365
Every generation mines ideas from the decade before they were born so all the 90s kids are taking fashion from the 80s.

Also once upon a time pants were meant to be worn on your waist, not the hips. I think it was tail end of the 90s that fashion changed to hip hugging and low riders.

>>87934190
They added forty pounds and an extra chromosome.

>>87974493
>once upon a time pants were meant to be worn on your waist, not the hips
I think the unisexing of clothing is what changed that. on men, the waist IS the hips. Even so, a lot of womens' clothing treats the hips like a waist going way back, mainly superheroes, belly dancers, that kinda shit.

>>87974675
I also attribute it to the desirability of the v-cut these days on both men and women.

I'm watching the whole series for the first time right now. Pilot was okay. Episode 1 was cringe but watchable. Episode 2 was salvageable, mostly because of Bee's human friends and that they acknowledge she's retarded. I'm on episode 3 now. When she spilled food on her cat onesie and started trying to lick it off, I actually felt sad. Bee was annoying in the pilot but now she is literally mentally challenged and I can't tell if I'm supposed to find it cute or disturbing. I certainly don't find it cute at all.

Bee and Pupptcat could be an interesting take on how a mentally handicapped person would handle being a magical girl but I don't think this is what the creator intended.

>>87974896
>Bee's human friends
I wouldn't call them "friends" per se

I dont understand why you faggots thought this would be good from the start

>>87934190
Why did they make it so fucking fat and ugly?

>>87975295
she was always fat and ugly

>>87973170
You have more sense than a lot of Loudfags

>>87934289
It's one thing to be thicc, it's another to be a fucking potato.

>>87976968
>You have more sense than a lot of Loudfags
what did he mean by this?

>>87935490
>finger family
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iq1TK3I2vc

>>87964994
>I do!
>that exclamation point
kys

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>>87973352

>>87934227
>The only thing that went right was it ending.

Have all the episodes been posted/uploaded somewhere yet? I looked on (((VRV))) and even though it says there's 6 they only have 4 up, including one of the new episodes.

>>87965249
it also can cost more if the renders become too demanding. more profitable no doubt, but there's a lot of ways everything can go to shit

>>87934444

CGI is more profitable despite the cost, because they also have much higher grosses on average.

Past a certain amount of money, what really gets investments are things that are predictable. 3D family animation are predictable, as are Marvel films. Doing lower cost 2D animation now would be like playing penny stocks. There's a huge upside if you pick the winner, but most of your choices will be losers.

To think about it another way, the outlay required for a 3D CGI film that is competitive with Disney ($60~80 million production budget and $20~40 million marketing is the sweet spot) effectively forces the film to be family friendly. It has to go after the broader market. To take a real risk like Sausage Party, the budget was pushed down to $20 million, with a lot of animators getting screwed hard in the process in exchange for creative freedom. So having a lower budget can be a mixed blessing.

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>>87934190
>le "everything" meme

But no, going from what summary anon told us a lot went wrong.

>mfw Bee is a goddamn robot
>mfw nothing resolves romantically despite all the Beeckard shipteasing and awkward beastiality moments with Puppycat
>tfw Bee had nothing to do with the space princess Puppycat fell in love with and wasn't actually rich this whole time but only in a space currency that isn't worth jack shit on Earth
>tfw we don't learn anything new about Puppycat at all
>tfw Sticky (aka, Cardamon's dog/the golden dog shown in some of Natasha's leaks) didn't turn out to be a disguised space cop trying to capture Puppycat and get him back to serve his punishment for his crimes both as an outlaw and for romancing the space princess
>tfw Sticky also didn't turn out to be the space princess who was transformed into a cute pet just like Puppycat and was going to try to get back together with him, leaving him to decide if he should accept or break it off once and for all
>tfw Bee never went to space to save Puppycat and meet him as his true self
>tfw there was no parallel of Bee and Deckard to Puppycat and his princess if they wanted to go that direction
>tfw Bee wasn't just a normal human 21 year-old down on her luck that had something magical change her dull and miserable life
>mfw instead she was just a shitty useless robot and the ribbon blood in the pilot was actual ribbons inside of her and not some sort of psychadelic methapor for self harm

And I would've gladly tolerated the shitty redesigns and bad animation if the plot had been meaningful in any way. What a fucking waste of 3 years. I guess we still have the pilot to treasure as what could've been.

So glad I chose not to drop any money on this shitfest, I almost considered pledging $200 back then. Money well saved.

>>87979489
Why was she a robot in the first place? Was that explained? And why did she forget?

>>87934390
Secret of the Kells and Song of the Sea are two of the most gorgeously animated things I've ever seen... for the half an hour of what I could manage to watch of them, because they are are TWO OF THE MOST GOD DAMNED BORING, POORLY PACED, OVERLY ARTSY UP THEIR OWN ASSES FILMS I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY ENTIRE DAMN LIFE.

Ice Age the 14quel is probably garbage, and I'll never watch it, but let's not pretend that these Irish films are made for actual human audiences.

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>mfw I hated it from the Pilot

>>87970242
I only remember Episode 1, what happened in Episode 2 that made it so bad?

>>87978926
The future of 2D animation is experimental. Stop-motion, armature puppets, mixture of traditional and CG. Straight classic 2D is never making a comeback.

>>87981942
art change and she turned into a 4 year old

>>87974675
>the waist IS the hips
Uh, no.

>>87978110
loudfags = loudhouse fans

loud house = a cartoon

you are welcome

>>87983901
on a man it is, while on a woman the waist is at navel level. this causes understandable confusion, as there's nothing on a man at navel level that is any different from 5 inches above or below that level. a man's torso is just straight. the only waist is the saddling of the hips

>>87984193
A man's torso is not 'just straight' unless he's built like a prepubescent boy. His waist is in the same place as a woman's.

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>>87980678

>>87983950
you're actually fucking retarded.

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>>87979489
You were told days ago that absolutely nothing was resolved at all with the new episodes. Nothing was explained and the story just fell apart.

So they decided to go with the
>Totally interpretive ending, it's up to the viewer to decide what it all means because we cannot be bothered to keep to a narrative at all
>ooooohhhh deep meaningful metaphors that you should figure out and we will say yes that's right if we like it enough

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>>87980678
Sort of agree with Secret of Kells, but not so much Song of the Sea. It has an actual narrative that continues through the film.

But I do agree that there is a balancing act between making something look beautiful and expressive with the creators showing off their capacity for artistic interpretation....and making an entertaining fucking movie that people generally want to watch.

A lot of creators get way to hung up on their want to make something super detailed and artistic looking and spend way too much time on colors and shapes while forgetting that they are supposed to be telling a story. Yea pretty colors are cool and all but if it goes on for half an hour and the viewer has no fucking clue what they are looking at then they are probably going to quit watching or at least not bother watching again.

>>87979489
>awkward beastiality moments with Puppycat
uhhh what

Why is no one in this thread sharing the new episodes?

>>87984575
you must be nu here

>>87985368
Did you donate?

>>87986124
No, nigga, I'm not apt to wasting my money on trash

>>87978315
while I'm not a fan of it either, its a choice in the artists drawing

>>87979489
Some of those predictions could still be true if they somehow continue the series. I hope they don't continue it, because I don't see it moving in a positive direction, but like an anon in the other thread said, the last episodes felt more like a season finale than a series finale.

>>87984319
uhhh no.. a man's torso is roughly shaped like a toilet paper tube that's been compressed slightly
if he's in good shape his torso widens slightly at the ribcage, but it doesn't widen as you go down unless you have pronounced hip-saddling, and then only just there
a waist is a place where you either narrow, or a place before you widen. the closest to narrowing most men get is the space below the top of the pelvis

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>>87979637
I have no idea, but my prediction is that since her dad was a sciencey video game maker and made the dad box in eps 5 and 6 that reappears in the final ep, he probably built her, maybe so she could be his daughter? Maybe she's like Astro Boy and the original Bee is dead? Iunno. There isn't much indication that she forgot she was a robot, though, just that she never mentioned it before.

>>87986376
What is this? End of Evangelion or something?

>>87986331
As was said, the normal adult male has a waist and it is around his navel. If you were in shape you would know this.

So what changed, did the writers do it all themselves or was there outside intervention by some drone who thought they could make it more 'marketable'?

>>87934190
THICC

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>>87986376
Wait, so Bee is basically Small Wonder all grown up?

I can see the similaries.

>>87986124
would you post them if I gave you a buck?

sjws are evil

>>87986517
you can't just say shit that's demonstrably untrue and expect people to believe it

okay I guess you can, but still

>>87987191
>demonstrably untrue
ok, demonstrate it on someone who isn't 90lbs.

>>87987632
a 90pounder is the only person that might conceivably have an hourglass like that. a normally-fed man doesn't. if anything he goes OUTWARD slightly at the stomach compared to the hips, or to put it another way the average hips go inward slightly.

>>87988335
I can only conclude you are an alien.

>>87986176
Then you aint seein shit

>>87988692
ight you lil bitch, not my fault you got burned on some garbage

>>87989183
Garbage you wanna see real bad

>>87989213
I don't know how the fuck you figured I gave that much of a shit, I'm tryna see the trainwreck.

>>87989259
Because you're still asking and getting triggered when you can't see it

>>87942886
>easily misreadable cues in the design

I have not watched the show, and know almost nothing about it. I would assume this character is a child. Possibly one that's starting to develop, but a child nonetheless.

So yeah, it's pretty fucking misreadable if she's a 20-something.

>>87948345
That's actually not too unrealistic. When someone frequently skips meals or goes without eating, and then binges [AKA payday] they're known to gain weight quickly because your body will save all of the weight it can, since it doesn't know when it will get to eat again.
Also, unhealthy processed foods are typically cheaper than organic produce or whole foods.

>>87990514
man this guy understa-
>hippie garbage
nevermind

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>>87986124
People usually only refer to this gif for the arms animation fail but let's not forget that Bee did this to try to get the gum out of Puppycat's mouth, which is disgusting for more than just the fact it's unsanitary.

>>87991365
Sorry, meant for >>87985341

>>87990811
The highly processed foods part is still right, although "organic" foods are not necessarily the answer to that.

>>87991501
process is the biggest buzzword ever conceived
literally everything is a process, and the vast majority of all foods ever eaten have been processed.
or why dont you go tell me how chemically altering flour using alkaline materials to change the structure of the proteins somehow ruins the nutrition.. or that thing about how somehow leaving in the useless, terrible-tasting molasses changes sugar from poison into "natural"

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This whole thread gets one big REEEEEEE.

Everyone is blaming tumblr. No! The blame should go straight at Natasha. If you watch her "behind the scenes" clips, you can see she's a terrible director for her own show. She easily differs to the hipsters around her who wants to make their "mark" in the animation world.

The moment she gives an inch to these assholes, the show no longer was hers to control.

>>87934190
It was a total scam and people fell for it

I hope this thread never dies.

>>87992358
I'm OP and I'm so glad it lasted this long.

>>87992443
same

>>87991887
Basically.

Directors need to DIRECT. That's what happened to Pen Ward.

>>87986865
Terrible

>>87991761
>useless, terrible-tasting molasses
Whoa, calm yourself.

>>87991365
i'd like to see more

>>87992238
That's why I refused to donate to the Long Gone Gultch crap a month ago.

>>87995120
you sound fat desu

>>87995120
not you

>>87991761
you, fatty

>>87934190
so it's finally over?

>>87991365
Yoh, Thats gross ass animation.
That arm shrinkage.

>>87934190
>>87973170
This makes me see only one name.

Sophie "Teach Kids Transphobia" LaBelle

>>87974493
You're not entirely wrong here. I dress like John Bender's grunge lumberjack, minus the gloves.

Also a sexy Travolta sometimes.

However, you're semi wrong. If you notice, the "break the binary" artists have their feet in third wave feminism ideology.

It was penned by a third wave feminist herself that the third wave originated from "grrrl power", punk cliches of the 90s, and counterculture itself, and we're seeing that with fans of shows.

The neon hair, the shitty hair, homemade deathhawks(I called one girl David Bowie meets lawnmower), bad taste in how clothes work....you get the gist.

The art pulls from the generation before birth, but the fans pull from the generation of the artist, born before them. The artist is born in the 90s, the fan in the 2000s, both reminiscence about "the good old days"

>>87988656
Am fatty and he's right actually. We extend forward, not sideways

>>87978237
>people expressing passion and emotion is bad
>everyone must be a cold emotionless robot like me

>>87986376
so that's why she didn't give a rat's ass about her mom?

idk, I didn't watch the new episodes, upload them fucker

I feel like an idiot spoilering this, because it's such a shit plottwist

>>87986865
wow, at last I truly see.

>>87941429
>talking shit about Iron Giant and The Incredibles

Can you be even more of a bigger pleb?

>>87966449
>Why do you say that?


Not him but look at what happens to the AVGN movie. It became less a labor of love and more an obligation just to get it out to the backers.

What's more there's the issue that there's no risk on behalf of the creator so long as he gets it out they fulfill all their obligations. It causes them to half ass things

People often complain about producers and the bottom line limiting creativity but at the opposite extreme they're often he only thing keeping the ship together

>>87980678
>Ice Age the 14quel
Has it seriously been that many?

>What went wrong?
Considering there was nothing "right" to begin with, nothing went wrong.

That lazy, generic art style just needs to fucking die.

>>87950464
That's almost as slow as Venture Brothers.

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>>87957603
>thanks 80's - 90's anime

Excuse me what

The moral of the story is not to give lots of money to ill-disciplined children with few strings attached.

Surprised there still aren't any links yet. You guys are slow.

>>87964974
Maybe she's one of those delightfully weird autistic girls. I could see that

>>88006772
They're just being a bunch of bitches.

>>87957603
>This pic continues to be so on the nose
Tumblr is like time capsule for all things terrible.

>>88006772
There aren't any links, because they don't exist

>>88009256
oh it is not. there's a lot of other terrible shit. and it contains a few okay things.
It's more like the inverse of Totally Radical

>>88005899
This.
Nothing good ever comes from these shows because they are always run by adults with the mental capacity of kids that always dodge their responsibilities when things get too stressful for them.

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>>87934190
>make pilot for network
>network likes it but wants merch rights, sees tons of merch opportunities in the show
>say FUCK YOU NETWORK I WANT MERCH MONEYS and go to kickstarter
>without network help can't get real studio work done on the show
>realize there's no way to deliver what was promised and all hope of long-term profit on the IP is gone
>cut every corner possible on the animations while pushing merch out the door off the strength of the pilot and kickstarter before the actual episodes release and destroy the IP
Business happened.

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>>88009332
(unrelated picture of a modern cartoonist)

>>88009346
And this is why the networks wont go away any time soon

>>87959149
I like her current style more.

From her Twitter and interviews, Natasha does seem like Bee - a womenchild, per se. While I don't mind, I do want her to get serious with her series too.

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>>88003521
>so that's why she didn't give a rat's ass about her mom?

Maybe she doesn't have a mom. Maybe her mom is actually Cardomon's mom, but it's a secret because nobody wants Cardomon to know his sister is a robot. We may never know

And, no, sorry, I'm not uploading it.

>>88005899
>The moral of the story is not to waste precious money on something you might like
You sound like a Mary Poppins baddie
This turned out shitty, but Frederator did have a record of putting out commercially competent cartoons.

Don't discourage content backing this hard

didn't give a cent myself, btw

>>88009804
you're not sorry
upload it. what's stopping you?

>>88009996
He wants to feel like a special snowflake for paying them 1000 dollars.

>>88009903
>Don't discourage content backing this hard
"Don't give to incompetents" is "hard"?

>>88010286
this is still the closest to a good thing we've had in a while. if you don't support it, they'll go back to the old days. you don't want that

>>88010286
I said
>Don't discourage content backing so strongly
And the thing is, there weren't that many clues to how much they'd screw up. We already knew they were a fruity bunch, but they do work as a professional animation studio. the pilot wasn't the greatest, but many of us believed in its potential.

I do agree that we should throw money where more strings are attached

>>88009804
>And, no, sorry, I'm not uploading it.

Thanks to fucking with us back a few days then!

>>88009346
>network takes risk in initial investment, wants something in return
>"fuck you no sale"
>results in creator making significantly less money than they would have if they let them keep merchandise rights

This whole thing was wasted potential for a neat idea

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>>87934444
>2d animation will never return
yet
>Pixel video games can still be huge hits/make mad money
It's not fair! why can video games get away with having more art style's than animation!!!!

http://frederator-studios.frederator.com/post/153785464602/cartoonhangover-update-on-how-to-watch-the-new

>>88010896
yeah.
it's like the whole issue of regulation vs deregulation.. nobody ever seems to consider the compromise of deregulation-with-strings or regulation-without-loopholes. no, they stick with the fucking extremes.

>>88011389
eh, gaming in general is hard as balls to make.
i wish we'd have a new 'retro' era where people got the hang of simple polygon modeling and some n64-ass games. i still miss that look. or the playstation look with aliased pixelart textures.

>>88011494
so now even more people can access it.. cmon, rip that shit

>>88011246
What?

>>87954812
underrated.

>>87979489
>>le "everything" meme
but that's what literally went wrong

This thread would probably know

So I've made a tumblr and had it for like a month now, but none of my posts show up in a tag. What do I gotta do?

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>>87936593
>loved the original pilot to bits
>almost funded it $120 but chickened out at the last moment and took it back
>mfw this is how it turned out in the end and I dodged a huge bullet

links
now

>>88012811
It's also what Bee says in response to Puppycat asking her simple questions like her favorite color/food and what she wants to do.

>>87978315
Is this a thing?

If so, why is it a thing?

>>88019126
anything to not be anime, to not make people all look conventionally pretty. it gets them dripping wet seeing alternative looks

>>88019126
There's a subtle coloration on the nose that artists exaggerate for visual flair. It's more prominent on people who are cold and sometimes the elderly. It's common in folk art and pop culture inspired by it, like Raggedy Ann and Animal Crossing villagers. They mean it to be cute/unique (yes, unique like all the other Tumblr users, it's still a minority in general and it's most common among inexperienced younger artists who throw a ton of stylization at the wall to see what sticks)

>>88019469
I also feel like there's a muppet inspiration there
and maaaybe like.. drunks? like especially asians, so anime draws that sometimes, particular the Satoshi Kon type of anime that intentionally draws the ugliness of real life people. Kon is the tumblrest of all anime

>>88009374
>"I pooted. Hee hee."

>>88013598
Tag it.

Don't put tags in the body, put them in the tag slot

>>87960561
What was pretty fucked about that was youtube didn't tell anyone what they were planning until it happen. It's only when the content creatots look at what it really meant, people started getting pissed.

>>88022169
their mistake was creating the industry in the first place. history has taught us that it's irresponsible to create bubbles

>>87935217
>Illumination/Blue Skyshit does hugely in places like [...] Latin America because they're pretty much the only animated films distributed there
Stop talking out of your arse.

mother fuckers. links.

>>88024696
Shut up and wait for Frederator to post the rest of the episodes.
We aren't giving you any links.

>>88024757
give links anyway

>>88013598
Check if your blog is NSFW in settings.
Tumblr keeps posts from showing in search for NSFW blogs

>>88024769
No.
lol
so quit making these threads hoping someone will.

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>>88011494
>>88012122
>Already have a Premium account with Crunchyroll
>must pay SEPARATELY to access Crunchyroll shows on VRV

fuck that shit.