How's Your Webcomic? #328

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Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag
Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:
>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
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>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
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>Links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV
>Contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
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>Wise words from John Cleese:
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>Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
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>Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
http://www.blambot.com/

>Writing Resources:
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>Guide to promoting your comic:
http://miss-melee.tumblr.com/post/143483233951/

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This composition is guided strongly enough that the reading direction reversal in the third row won't mix people up, right?

>>87932080
Might be tricky. The link from Panel 6 might be enough, but the seperate balloons on the left side might confuse things.

Would it be a hassle if the balloon-chain passed overhead before continuing down the left side? (Put part 3 in the centre-top, connecting it to the left chain.)

>>87932080
>>87932241
If all else fails, just remove the link from panel 6 so the big panel reads left to right as normal.

>>87932080
Yes, the structure seems clear enough, with the speech balloons leading out of panel 6 onto panel 7.
I would have Skalmold facing the cat, so she's looking in the direction you're meant to be reading (though you'd also need to change panel 9 as well...).
Of the left most speech balloons, I'd move the upper one away from the corner and down and to the right (it's currently sitting at the "start" of panel 7, so moving it away from the edges would reduce it's likelihood of being read first), while the lower one would just move down to be closer to, and lead into, panel 8.
If you haven't already planned it, see if you can manage something in the background of panel 7 that leans from the upper right to the bottom left, as a further guide to the eye (beams of sunlight, leaning trees, etc).

>>87931164
This is /hyw/ #329

>>87932241
You mean without going down on the right?
I'd worry about having the reader completely miss the characters if I didn't have them sandwiched in between two sets of text.

>>87932264
True, it can work just fine without any fancy tricks if it has to.

>>87932291
>I would have Skalmold facing the cat, so she's looking in the direction you're meant to be reading
The reason I have her pointing away from the cat is that she's almost getting up but then the cat says something that surprises her. The break between the direction of her body and the direction of her eyes is supposed to indicate the interrupted action. Maybe if I had her upper body pointing right but her entire head turned back to the cat, I could do what you're suggesting while keeping that idea.
I don't know how I'd go about changing panel 9, though - I want to keep the 180 line and have her focus on the cat.
Maybe if I put more focus on the cat's face?

Definitely a good point about the upper left speech balloon.

>something in the background of panel 7 that leans from the upper right to the bottom left
I was thinking something that follows the S-curve between the speech bubbles, rather than a straight line between panels 6 and 8.

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i haven't posted here in a long time, college kept me really busy during these past months

i had to slow down the plans i had for the comic used to post before, it was just to big for me to keep track of it while going to school

but now thanks to my art class i finally got an excuse to start drawing this little one shot comic called Guts, it takes place on the same world as my other comic , so i guess now it will serve as a little prequel side story

Here is a wip of the cover with all the main characters on it, i have already sketched the first pages i hope i can post them here during the weekend

>>87932542
Mite b cool, but I feel like you could benefit from spending a little longer making sure all the basic shapes are right and that facial features and such line up properly.

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More WIP, now with copypasta backgrounds.

Time to adjust the figures, might revise panel 9.

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More and more each day, I'm getting closer to starting it. I'll probably start mine soon in about a month or two. Still, I feel like the nuances of world building are what's holding me back.

Things like, what kind of technology should this setting have? I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to history, I don't know how a society or the inside of a home should look to reflect the development of a culture. I wish there were references for this sort of thing

>>87933706
Well, what kind of society is it? What kind of society in the real world would it mirror best?
I find it's much easier to start by saying "this society is like X except" than it is to make something up out of whole cloth. Even relatively simple changes can make something interesting and new.
"This society is like 15th century england except the climate is like South America and the gods are mexican"

"This society is like traditional inuits except they took over the world with ice magic and are now like the Mongol Empire"

>>87933706
Think about where they live, what kind of resources they would have available to them.

This is what research is for; look up real-world cultures for ideas and put your own spin on it. Mix and match if you have to, but try not to just put one obvious thing from one place on top of another obvious thing from a different place.

>>87933841
this is good advice, thank you

>>87933847
for some reason, when you mentioned resources, that made things a little clearer for me, thank you

I guess I just have to do some more thorough research. I tried something like that once, but I started off with googling something like "historical fishing boats" and I felt a little silly.

Hooray! new thread.
>>87932080
mmmmaaybe.. but it would be so easy to grab the tail of the 2nd row's bottom-right bubble and carry it over to the top-left of the next row. or just not connect them at all. I don't see what it accomplishes.

>>87932291
Drat, she's right
next thread is #330, guys.
>>87933706
neat style. Just for fun, why not make it feel like our almost-substantiated innuendo about some ancient cultures, whom we've found a few unexpected trinkets from that indicate they had technology that the world at large later lost? baghdad batteries and all that.
You don't have to go full atlantis-precursors or anything but they should be able to have anything that requires simple thought to invent, as early as there were people to think of it. Use old-timier versions of modern conveniences, like aqueducts instead of underground pipes

>>87934650
>more thorough research
You don't really need to be more thorough, you just need to be more specific. "history of fishing boats" isn't going to get good results, but "X period/civilization fishing boat" probably would.

>>87934910
>she

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Prequel.

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Reposting in case the artist didn't see it in last thread.
>>87898989
Alright, sounds good.
Did up some sketches of what I was thinking they'd look like (and also some silly names). You can change it anyway you like, (you're the one who's gonna have to draw them over and over again after all) but I figured it couldn't hurt to know where I was coming from.

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>want to be animator and making animation portfolio
>takes 5 hours to do 2 secs of crappy animation
Is there anyway I can draw and animate faster?
What else should be in my portfolio besides animation?

>>87935092
you know, Kaz never has showed up in here...

>>87935321
>Is there anyway I can draw and animate faster?
hire koreans

>>87935415
No. Teach me how to animaye like a korean

>>87935321
>>takes 5 hours to do 2 secs of crappy animation

I don't have much experience with animation, but from what I hear if this is hand-drawn frame by frame, don't expect to get much faster. Disney animators at their peak only did 14 seconds a week, and modern direct-to-video animation "only" gets up to about 18 seconds per week.

Other things I hear animation schools like:
>still drawings of motions
>still drawings of emotions
>perspective focused on keeping consistent volumes
>GESTURE

>>87935399
it was just to remind everyone about it
also, update coming soon (tm)
my bet is on next week

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>>87935534
Thanks very much /co/.

I'm just going to try to be fastest as heck I can be and consider your words.

Here is kawaii image from pinterest.

>>87935769
that's actually a nice gift, thank you

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>>87933841
>>87933847
>>87934910
While I have your attention, can I get your honest opinions on this? Pose, linework, coloring and whatnot.

Give it to me straight, any critique will be appreciated

BluTrinity's main site has expired from DNS and all other venues of communication have not spoken since the 5th. Their last remaining site is gradually decaying on various browsers.

>>87936876
You need a little work on anatomy and proportion, but no one area is terrible or far behind the others. I don't get what the flat ripple texture adds. I'm not sure about that pigeon-toed pose but there is a time to make those sometimes

>>87937219
had me going there for a second

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In order to draw proper forms, you have to know anatomy.

But in order to draw proper ecorche, you have to know the form.

>>87937271
it's true my guy, check out their "site" www.blutrinitycomics.com/

Only http://blutrinitypublishing.com/ is up and it's slowly decaying.

>>87937246
>You need a little work on anatomy and proportion
any specific areas? I'm still learning hands and feet so I wouldn't be surprised if that's what you're referring to

and yeah, I'm a little iffy on wrinkles. but I'll get there, I got a book i refer to from /ic/

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stop drawing in anime style you fucking weeaboos

>>87937322
Why would you need both?
>>87937481
your wrinkles are actually pretty good for a start. Those take a lot of practice. And your hands are relatively okay. the sandal straps are kind of haphazard but I know how annoying thos can be to draw over and over in different poses. Right now the pants-legs seem to be pulled up to different lengths. Basically it's hard to get specific because everything needs some work, but no one thing is sticking out really badly

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>>87937558
________No____

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So I started wondering if my original intent was getting lost, so I re-jiggered some panels and re-wrote the punchline.

Any thoughts?

>>87938352
wait, so you mean she wasn't dancing all along, she was shaking out the mouse? the happy expression in panel 5 throws that off a bit.

>>87938388
Yes, that was my original joke; I can redraw that to a more ambiguous expression. Maybe panel 2 as well.

>>87936876
>texture on everything except the shading of the skin
I hate the texture, by the way.
There's line variation, but it seems pretty random. The lines and coloring definitely aren't precise enough for how thin you're making them.
I don't understand what kind of motion the pose is supposed to evoke. I don't see a defined line of action and the clothes and hair are going in all sorts of weird directions. Especially what is going on with his feet? His legs have totally different proportions.
I can't tell where the light is supposed to be coming from.

The face is decent, but his eyeline and nose don't quite line up properly.
Hands are nice and dynamic, although the anatomy is a little wonky at the wrists. Good sense of depth around the hands and face.

Don't get me wrong, you could probably tell a story I'd enjoy with art like this, but the art would not be a draw.

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How do I become popular /co/.

>>87939946
I think you have that covered with ratgirl transformation

>>87939455
thank you for this anon.
>hate the texture
fair enough, but I can't think of any other way to evoke an ancient mural type of feel. I mean, I personally like it, but I might experiment with other texures and see how that goes
>linework
this is definitely one of my bigger hurdles. It sounds like you'd recommend thicker outlines then?
>unclear gesture
yeah, I see what you mean now. I was shooting for something dynamic and I felt like a traditional fighter stance was too stiff, what are your thoughts on that?
>unclear lighting
it's coming from the top left, with some emanating from his right hand. I thought I made that clear, but if not, I'll meditate long and on how to fix this in the future
>art would not be a draw
feelsbadman

the rest, I pretty much agree with, just gotta keep grinding out practice

thanks again, anon

>>87940050
there's no way you can just apply a texture on top of something and have it look good.. except maybe a flat surface

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>>87938524
Alternatively, keep the expression and have her do an MJ.

Panel 2 seems fine though.

>>87940081
I use it to emulate something like paintings on a wall, like a hieroglyph or a cave painting. So in a way, they are on flat surfaces

>>87940169
whoa, that's like.. even more retro than intentional pixel art

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>>87940214
anon, pls no bully, I just thought it would look neat

>>87940278
hey I like pixel art!

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So i've ACTUALLY planning out my pages "trying" to see what works and doesn't...

Thing is i'm the kinda guy that will hide things so i don't want too much detail to be spoiled.

So for your eyes only, How is it?

>>87940665
I'm diggin it, Scotty Pippin. Definitely digging.

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>>87940050
>fair enough, but I can't think of any other way to evoke an ancient mural type of feel
First off, the texture needs to go on top of everything else. Second, it mustn't be regular and even. Try looking up images of ancient frescoes and see how the plaster has cracked and chipped cracked over the centuries and try to hand-paint the effect on top of your image. There's probably a simpler way to get the look than painting it by hand, but it's a necessity if to try it out for a while so you can get to understand what you need it to look like.
Third, don't use pure white and vibrant colors. That's all faded. Try color-picking from a picture of an old Roman fresco.

> It sounds like you'd recommend thicker outlines then
Yeah, at least for outlines. inside details, maybe not so much. This album has a really good tutorial on utilizing line weight http://imgur.com/a/IkoEZ#5

>what are your thoughts on that
Dynamism in posing stems mostly from having a clear line of action - pic related are some examples of how I'd pose him dynamically.

Traditional fighting stances CAN be stiff, but it's not at all necessary, especially once you start playing with angles and perspective. The fighting "stances" of most martial arts are not static poses to be held, but rather specific, important points in the constant motion of the fighter, so they work better as reference when you have the character coming into or going out from the stance.

>unclear lighting
I think the main issue is that he's not casting a shadow on his left leg.

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Last page I made.
Had to stop to work on other projects and stuff... oh well....

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>>87936876
Besides everything else already said, you reeeally need to work on your lines. There are a lot of places where they don't connect, it's messy, but not in a controlled way. If you're going for something that could look like a calligraphic brush, you could try something like this. You can see that the lines are wobbly in places, but it's done in a purposeful way.
Basically use a big brush size, but press very lightly when you want the lines to be thin, and press down harder when you want them to be thick. The parts of the body that are closer to the "camera" should be slightly thicker while things further away should be thinner.

>>87942014
holy, fucking, shit anon

it's like a completely different picture

this has been enlightening to say the least, thank you

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WIP time
I had this joke written as "I'll be in my dressing room!" with the punchline "Hmm... today, I think, ranch" but I don't think I'll ever have an opportunity to use that. sometimes I wish I was writing sketch comedy

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Also real quick i wanted to see if this works as well...

What song you listening to?

>>87942391
sayonara zetsubou sensei OPs. they're all fucking great

>>87942418
>sayonara zetsubou sensei

Genuine confusion here i looked this up is my reaper already done before? should i change this?

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>>87942527
>>87942418
I'm an absolute Idiot...

>>87942599
I JUST fucking did what you did, earlier
sometimes we forget we said two things in a post

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Need some advice. I'm finding myself in a rut when it comes to dynamic panel shapes. Any templates out there yall could recommend? Also any tips on making backgrounds seem less I guess static is the word? Just general criticisms are welcome too.

>>87942833
i'm kinda sick of unusual panel shapes, they just waste space unless they tesselate

>>87943051
so dont waste my time on it? i just feel weird doing the same squares and rectangles

>>87943093
Nah that's just my opinion. Wait for a few more people to chime in.

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A colaboration with a friend who make character commissions. Just an experiment.

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I fixed a few things about my cover

While i work on page 1 im trying to decide if the white background works better or if i should go back to the textured background i used before

I'll probably have to print the entire comic later since i am supposed to show it in school next thursday, so maybe the white background will look better on paper

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>>87942833

Blue-Red-Yellow-Green

Open the door and enter the room - notice the smoke and ask - he got scare by something - peek behind.

Is that you original intention I suppose.
Blue-Yellow-Red-Green

Open the door and enter the room - he got scare by the smoke – Ask why there is smoke inside - peek behind something.

The RED and GREEN panels have the same background that suggest continuation of a singular act and the YELLOW panel look more related to the BLUE by the similarity in sizes.

The YELLOW panel make he look at the smoke in surprise more that he feel the presence of someone else in the room.

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>>87935230
Funny thing is that your drawing is really close to what I was thinking.

Ok so I have 2 versions of both girls,1 with your skin colors and 1 with the ones I was thinking of.

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>>87944655
So she looks kinda asian with this skin tone.

Also I have no idea if shes smoking a cigar or a blunt....could be both.

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>>87936876
Keep going bro Also Hey our Characters have the same nose!

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>>87944771

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>>87945345

>>87945345
Would work well with orange hair as it would help complement her complexion.
>>87945558

>Meh... its okay

Also maybe try reducing her breast size, for her frame she looks like she'd be in serious back pain, remember boobs aren't just flesh bulbs with muscles its like balloon more water more weight bro...

Her glasses make me wanna punch her... no offense (maybe thats the goal). And the smile...

Something with the eyes seems to be off like there just a bit lopsided when looking close...

She only wearing a long sleeve? Oooh sexy.

Did ya do a concept sheet for her would love to see it.

>>87945817
Eh I'd rather have her have larger brests but I can make the rest of her a little bigger.She is also supposed to be a "waifu".

Yeah she comes off as hipster but i like it but she could have different glasss all the time.

Yeah they are weird,I can not really draw perfect circles and I'm terrible at symmetry.

No sheet yet this was just early concept.

Who every is the writer could you use a name so I can identify you.
Also I need a discord link.

>>87946055
>boob size/back pain
Facepalm.jpg
Her being a comic character, I think it will be okay for you to proceed as planned.
For better or worse, when it comes to drawing tits, you are more or less on your own. most crit you get is going to be filtered through hang-ups (they're too big! boob socks aren't real! They don't work that way!) or fetish.
I could literally find a model is 2 seconds with way bigger natural tits than your drawing, but a lot of people seem to think big tits were invented with implants. Further, giant fake tits are a thing in the real world.

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>>87946961
I think you responded to the wrong person

>>87947210
No, I was telling you to ignore that shit.

>>87947287
Oh ok thanks man
https://youtu.be/9cbC2wBp_lc?list=PL4yn92zU2slGzssyV3p_0js8ms6NsKafl

>>87935321
You could save a lot of time going the puppet rigging way (I don't remember the technical name for it). You can save a lot of time, but you'll have to accept your animation being more limited and stiffer.

Still, you can still make pretty neat stuff with it.

>>87946961
>giant fake tits are a thing in the real world.
and other worlds too
they cost 25 schmekels

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>>87935546
It will probably actually be next week this time!

can i get a invite to the discord?

>>87942391
Don't know what's going on here, but I'm digging that birdman. Nice wings.

>>87948246
gotta agree. that thing is fantastic-looking. I don't know that many people who draw wings better'n I do (not that mine are that good)
I've been seeing a lot of characters lately with arm-sized bird wings... it's funny because they're useless as wings OR as arms, yet they look kinda good. kinda like the tiny wings look good on velociraptors and shit

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threadly progress bump

>>87949565
nice scale!! i love the crumbling buildings and the fantastic scale of the pit... but what's all that coming out of the roof? Looks like cloth to me.

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>>87949672
i'm hoping the landscape will be more clear when I add shading.
basically the premise is that they're approaching a giant crater with a rock arch in the middle.
kinda like an inverse doughnut, or like pic related, but in a crater.

>>87949848
forgot to mention, the building is kinda carved into the arch-pillar

>>87949893
oh okay that was my next question
how and why the fuck would you do that? i mean, right into stone? and bothering to put the edges of a roof on it? that's nuts. I love it. Like some giant did some fucking scrimshaw
I guess the original arch tapered somewhat as it went up, but if it didn't, that would be a lot visually clearer. if there was a slight overhang at the top just as there is an edge at the bottom. Obviously as it stands, the top roof part of the building at least was not carved into the arch (which is too narrow at that point) but instead added around it. which makes sense. Just clarifying.

>>87950122
also, presumably they had to walk downward to get into said crater, and now they have to go back up again on that bridge.. whoever set it up like that instead of a gentle slope from the rim to the door is a dick. Or maybe someone who doesn't want visitors

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>>87950122
I think you're right, it should be more visually clear. I originally drew a bigger picture, but zoomed it in to bring attention to the building. but bringing it out would give better situational awareness.
>>87950235
there is actually no reason for the pathway to go *down* into the crater, other than thematic reasons. I wanted the manor to look imposing and larger than life.
...come to think of it, I should have slanted the perspective, make it come from the bottom up, that would've made it appear more intimidating

>>87950428
then again, making the perspective more dynamic would probably reduce environmental/situational awareness

>>87950428
>>87950457
if you have a chance, maybe make a shot of them at the door, looking up at the building receding into the distance, looming above them
otherwise fuckit. the scale in this shot is already really awe-inspiring. it doesn't need to be imposing, it looks impossible. it's like scrooge mcduck's money bin. a building like that demands respect merely for existing.

Alright, writer here, I put on a name so you can tell what's what. Mail is 595158825 (at) mail.com

>>87944771
>>87944655
Asian skin tone probably works best. Not a huge fan of the long ear locks, but if you like them that's fine - they'll make it easier to tell it's her if she ever needs to wear a funny hat, anyway.
As for exactly what she smokes, originally I was thinking either plain ol' cigarettes or vaping because she's a hipster, but now that you mention it it might be fun if she just smoked everything from cigars to hookahs to vaping to giant novelty meerschaum pipes.

>>87945345
>>87945558
It doesn't have to be the skin color I went with exactly, but I feel like one of them should be significantly darker than the other. Right now the lighter skin tone looks better, but I think that's mainly because her makeup and glasses haven't changed color to compensate.
Also, I missed this earlier, but could she have a human nose?

As for the body frame and breasts, I don't mind at all. It gives her a different body from her co-star and it's not like this is a comic that strives for realism in the first place. The one thing I might change about it is having her lean back a little more when standing so she looks more balanced.

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hello fellas, new page is up.
http://stonesofanarchy.org/69.html

I plan on going on a little break after next page and end it with a cliff hanger

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i have to go to sleep but i did a bit of inking for page one

this may look a bit pixelated because the scan of my pencils made the pic a little bit too big for 4chan, so i had to compress it

also yeah i know the pencils are a bit messy because i drew this page during school in a regular notebook while i was bored

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>>87947462
I want to believe, Cider.
But I am tired of Kazerad's empty promises.
Now what do I have to do to have you draw a character from my comic for some advertising

>>87939946
Porn.

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Bits & Bytes No.197: a bit of fanservice and a nitpick regarding Nintendo's MO when it comes to consoles and upgrades.

Read the whole thing at http://bitsandbytescomic.tumblr.com/

>>87953734

>cartridge games
>load times

u wot

>>87953894
It's true. The new Pokémon games take a while to load in the original 3DS. Look for it, there's a video with both an old and a new 3DS loading the game at the same time. The difference is pretty interesting.

>>87953734
magic pokemon playing shirt

>>87953545
An interesting idea, but I'm not making this one a porn comic. I'm not saying no to fanservice though.

Bumpo.

>>87935399
I'm here sometimes! I just anon outside of Prequel threads.

Also Cider don't make update promises, you know I'm waiting on Makkon.

>>87952151
>literal cliff hanger
you bastard

>>87953940
I reckon those bits are flashback

>>87956425
>I'm here sometimes!
thread legitimacy achieved.
you're my hero you know. i'm going to rip you off really badly someday. except zelda instead of elder scrolls

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Comic.

>>87953545
This is true.

My second webcomic has become 100 times more successful than my first in a fraction of the time.

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>>87957440
Just make sure you only imitate the good parts.

>>87939946
>How do I become popular /co/.

I think the most important thing is to make sure your characters and their reactions sound like real, relatable people. For instance, here is how I would write the page you posted.

>>87951922
I have no idea how mail.com works,I am mostly on my tumblr and I NEED the webcomic discord.

What if I changed the ear locks?like little braids or some beads in it.

Lol i did change the lipstick,she will have changing glasses.I love the smocking idea with different pipes and such.

>>87957674
It's always nice to see this.

I'm working on next week update, but I'm drawing a blank here, so I'm just doodling unrelated stuff.
Please kill me.

>>87958408
replace the (at) and the spaces around it with the @ sign
put it into your email's "to" field
>>87958402
that's the plan, stan. also, more updates.

>>87958537
Don't fret, just let it sit in the back of your head until you come up with a story that works. it doesn't have to be great, don't worry about how good it is, just whether it works. ongoing-plot comic writing is like stringing together randomly strewn-about planks so you can play 'the floor is lava'
the big easy one might seem far off, but wait around and something else will drift by that you can drag over between this one and the next.

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>>87942833
Dynamic panel shapes can be cool, but you have to recognize what works and what doesn't. Look at things like the immortal Iron Fist and Dresden Codak for examples.

>>87958843
>Phonetic spellings

kill yourself. All that does is make it impossible to read.

>>87958873
just because you have a reading disorder, don't attack something literally everyone does, and this guy does better than most
>>87958843
loved this page. the one after it (?) is great too, with the word bubbles showing simultaneity.. i'm not sure i've ever seen that done in a comic

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>>87958843
>>87958873
Before I kill myself, have another one

is disregarding reality guy here?

>>87958408
It's just an email address. The " (at) " should be read " @ ".
Do you mean you don't have an email, yourself?
We're gonna need some way to communicate that doesn't bother people in these threads.

For the ear-locks, my main problem is the silhouette becoming too similar to the other one, so making them more complicated wouldn't really help.

>>87958583
I'll try, the thing is, I'm not sure how to continue where I left off.
What I initially thought seems 2edgy4u now, I'm trying to tone it down, so it fits the characters better, but I'm really drawing a blank.

I think I should do something else, and let inspiration come on its own, but I hate to do that.

>>87959513
Just write out the 2edgy version and then write out a bunch of variations. Five or six. Doesn't matter if they're stupid ideas, just write them out.

Or maybe the guy who's going to go edgy gets right up to the edge before going "oh god what am I doing" and then there's fallout from that.

>>87959513
it's a comedy, just get some inspiration and get funny. look at things from a cock-eyed angle and write that.
It might help to go watch some 90s media from the peak of insensitivity. some seinfeld or some old anime where 'offensive' or 'edgy' things are played for laughs
you don't have to tone it down to change the tone to a more lighthearted one. lighthearted might not be 'down', it might just be.. eh.. off to the right somewhere.

hey skylight robot lady comic guy
your domain appears to have expired

>>87959489
Yes i do have an email but I do not want to post in the thread.
If you have a tumblr send me a instant message and I will give you the email.

>>87960031
I don't have a tumblr, but you don't need to post it here. Just send it to me at [email protected]

>>87958841
>Using this as an example¿!?

Bro... uh mind giving him an exame with a more structured panel layout and sensible dialogue...

Mind you his art is well defined... he just need a good writer and some on to show him how to build a page instead of plastering it all over the place...

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>>87960133
ok

Nothing new just small changes and seeing how that look together sofar.

>>87960741
Looking good!
Changing the glasses' frame to black really made them work better.

>>87947915
https://discord.gg/ue666

`Bumping.

>>87962726
and again
i've got a page nearly done. gotta bump.

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Working on a chart for the cat girl.

She is wearing tiny undies and pasties

>>87964491
I love how she's gone from being voiced by tabitha st germain to jean smart

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If my OC donut steel is good enough can I post it in /a/ and /co/?
Will I be able to get my own general?
Will you guys buy my doujinshi?

>>87965508
if you're asking that then it's probably shit. post sample

>>87965589
Soon™

>>87965796
>6 months later

>>87965589
>replying to trolls

>>87966219
>getting trolled

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Posting my comic The Crawling City. Weeaboo tentacle waifubait essentially.

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>>87966897

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>>87966986

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>>87967040

>>87966897
>>87966986
very cute, would fap to

>>87966897
>>87966986
>>87967040
Love the palette.
Keep at it and it may spark some threads here.

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>>87967120
>>87967210
Thank you so much!! Here's a wallpaper if you want to use it. I'm really glad you like Aria.

>>87967306
>>87967097
is this fan art? looks like done in a different style.

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>>87967040
If you want to, you can read it here: https://tapastic.com/episode/452631

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>>87967040
>that third panel

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>>87967339
Slightly older illustrations than the comic itself.

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>>87967368
Thank you!

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>>87967374
how long have you been drawing? also how long does each comic take?

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>>87967421
Each stripe takes about a week to complete in script and story, though the story is usually written in bulks and not on a weekly basis.

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>>87967349
Beach Episode Time~!

>>87967472
how many years did it take to get to this level?

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>>87967502
Secret lewd sketch

>>87966897
I've been enjoying this, but I wonder.. is there going to be more.. er.. depth to the humor at any point? it's getting a little repetitive

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>came up with a webcomic idea yesterday
>developing it full steam now
>will create a 20-30 page bible with the essentials
>will send to artists to see if we could collab
>will fund via comic patreon

Wish me luck. I know who is my first choice, but I don't know if they'll actually care. The only way to find out is to know what you're talking about, have a game plan, and be polite in order to hope for the best.

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>split group up into three for some fun ideas
>can't think of a damn thing for one of them
I have a skeleton of a plan, but the fact that they're already at these caves is kinda sad. couldn't think of a damn thing to go in between. Whatever, Robin's singing is cute

>>87968460
The salad thing and text at the end is really clever.

>>87968958
Thanks you. as mentioned >>87942318 here, I think the original idea was funnier, but this was a good place for a variant of it.

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Heres my current place in my webcomic Magicat

com/dkunz tapastic: https://tapastic . com/episode/520529 webtoons: http://www . webtoons . com/en/challenge/magicat-/trinkets-for-sale-page-13/viewer?title_no=37270&episode_no=15

>>87969375
oh crap, my links got screwed up.
tapastic: https://tapastic.com/episode/520529 webtoons: http://www.webtoons . com/en/challenge/magicat-/trinkets-for-sale-page-13/viewer?title_no=37270&episode_no=15

>>87969403
huh, it still fucked up your second one. I wonder why
in any case, glad to see this is still going. it's cute. makes-a me smile erry time i see it

>>87964570
what?

>>87969510
she just looks like she has a different voice now

>>87970540
In my head she ether sounds like Daria or the asian girl from Daria.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_25Joznkh8

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>>87931164

/co/ give feedback on worldbuilding? Wanted some feedback before I try making a comic out of something.

>>87972383
absolutely. worldbuilding is my favorite
though you should know it's one of the least important ingredients to a good comic

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>tfw comic is so awful readers make fun of you

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Everything is shit.

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>>87972920
>>87972383
>least important ingredients to a good comic
FUCK

Well, since you love worldbuilding, I'm drunk and spilling my "big idea" I've had kicking around, so I'd really like any thoughts on it.

"Skelebros". Yes, cashing in on the skeleton meme.
The Nightlands, and an established setting and concept you can read up on. The Last Redoubt is a fortress at the end of time, on a dead planet, after the stars have died out, surrounded by lovecraftian horrors waiting for the last of it's shielding to fail so they can eat the final souls inside. All other Redoubts on the planet have already been cracked. In my comic, necromancy exists, and the Redoubt casts out it's dead as undead to serve in an auxiliary and first-line defense. They're fed and kept in check by limited payouts of magic in capsules which keeps them "alive". This operates as a loose "army" of sorts which never actually sees the living. They don't keep their memories, save for fragments, and the eulogy when they die the 2nd and final time involves a reading of their life in the Redoubt from people that knew them. Service as Undead is seen as redemption. There's several divisions of forces. Ground troops are Army of Darkness, fighting man-sized horrors enmasse. Airforces are recon and support, consisting of both skelecopters and skeleplanes. Those are small highly trained small teams with specialized individuals, EG sharpened arm-bones for propellers with wing-armed skeles and a gunner supplied by magic-pods for long-range missions. The most veteran are recruited as the remade. The remade have had the outside of their bones recast in (limited) magic alloy, and serve as elite ground teams.

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Some are put into "giants"-teams, highly trained skeletons which mass up to form a giant by all holding onto each other, with a captain to yell orders for manuevers which are carried out telephonegame style ("LEFT FORWARD", "RIGHT HOOK", ETC) with skeletons in position contracting or pushing as trained. These are for fighting Kaiju-grade threats.
The Sentinels are the last defense. AWOL skeles have their bones ground and cast in alloy to form Golems with no free will, which is seen as horrifying by the normal undead.

General plot follows a "pearl". Refers to the newly made undead having pearly-bones. Major events so far: 1) Popular-good-guy elite dies, eulogy reveals he was a piece of shit in life. Skeles ponder the concept of redemption. 2) Lost recon skeleplane that goes down with magipods into an acidlake. A remade team is sent to recover the magipods, the downed skeletons are disposable and know it but try to survive. 3) A resupply mission is sent to one of the destroyed redoubts, where they find a small tribe of undead hiding, trying to survive. Some of the remade knew them as friends, had assumed them fully dead, and completing the mission would ensure the death of those in the colony.
4) A member of a skelecopter team is killed. The rest of the team deals with grief and trying to train a replacement.
4) Pearl starts recovering fragments of life memory and cue philosophical discussions. 5) A rare expedition of the living leaves the Redoubt. Their faces are never seen, and the skelebros are rightfully terrified of them.
6) All lines fail, and the Sentinels are deployed with horrifying efficiency. Everyone ponders why these aren't the defacto defense, why everyone isn't made into a Sentinel, and whether the morals of this would balance out, and what rights the living really have to do any of this.

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7) The shields fluctuate. Weapons built into the redoubt are used in a final plot twist. Everyone is relieved, but worried about the energy left if they've had to resort to necromancy this long.
8) A small rebellion is staged. Finally it is quelled by necromancers from the Redoubt.
9) The shields unexpectedly fail. It's over. Many undead go AWOL, some stay and fight to the end. The future of "life" as undead is questionable, and very limited. Soon the survivors that fled will run out of magic.

Minor events:
One popular entertainment is theatre, though "arts" are embraced in general. Comedies making fun of the living and the fact they have flesh is popular.
Team-building exercises for Pearls involve betting games, where they pretend to be each other. When you finally call who they really are, you can test with a fingerjoint that's taken off before the game, it will snap in place to it's owner. This helps establish identity and familiarity when everyone looks similar.
Battle of the bands, because why wouldn't they.

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>>87974824
>>87974768
>>87974741
Eh, I'm forgetting a lot of smaller worldbuilding stuff, especially minor events fluff and stuff, but I've downed a 6 pack of beer and that's like 60-70% of the concept that I had.

I've had this idea kicking around, but frankly I think nobody would give a fuck since it was indeed spawned from the skelecopter concept, then applying too much thought to the concept of militarized skeletons.

Maybe /tg/ would like the concept.

>>87974741
I fell asplee, but I like the idea of skellymans hanging out at the end of time when everything is dead and all that's left is magic (and maybe address whether that can run out too or whatever). that's cool.

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>>87968273

>will send to artists to see if we could collab
>will fund via comic patreon

Woah, dude, I'm trying to do this and it's fucking *expensive*. A good artist is $60 bucks a page.

I pay $480/mo for two pages a week, and despite decent pageviews and a bunch of Tumblr followers, my patreon is $30/mo, meaning I'm in a $450 hole every month.

And if you think you can avoid this by finding cheaper artists, don't be surprised if they bail. Unless you have a *substantial* following already, you can't fund a comic on patreon.

>>87975380
>maybe address whether that can run out too or whatever
That's what keeps them there, serving to protect the Redoubt. They need magic to stay alive, and the magic is both limited and hard to find elsewhere.

>>87975457
that's... how do you afford that?

>>87975577
>>87975457
Fuck me I wish I could afford this. There's more ideas out there than artists, and way more good ideas than good artists.

If I won the fucking lottery, oh man.

>how do you afford that?
>450$ a month
Live out of your car, rent your room.
Alternatively, live somewhere that doesn't hate the middle class.

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>>87975577

I don't. I lived with my parents for a while, paid off my student loans, and built up a bunch of savings that the comic habit is slowly eating away. I'm not in any danger of going destitute anytime soon, but over the last year or so 20 grand in savings has become 15 grand in savings. (Admittedly there are other lifestyle choices that could mitigate this; I eat out too much etc)

My plan is that I'm close enough to finishing Legend of the Hare that I might as well, and then I'm going to focus only on Saffron and Sage as a one/week for a slightly more reasonable $240 a month.

Though if you're concerned about my financial situation, you could always donate to the patreon I'm about to shamelessly shill: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=195773

>>87975742
>shamelessly shill
>60$ a page
Ehh... the fact so many do their own comic for free kind of ruins this.

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>>87975793

Fair enough.

I've tried drawing things myself, but, well, pic related.

>>87976077
Yeah, sorry dude, but "idea guys" are worthless, unless they have the cash to burn.

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>>87972969
>tfw can't afford materials

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>>87972969
tfw you're not dewd

>>87976123

I have cash to singe, at least.

>>87976236
just go digital once and for all

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While I'm on 'break', I was planning on redoing the first 40 pages of my comic because it's really bad and I want to redraw and rewrite a lot of the story. Should I go "all out" or should I not put a lot of work in the pages so that the jump between BRAND NEW OLD PAGE and page 41 aren't so drastic?

>>87976840
I will not fall for the digital meme.

>>87977663
It's a vicious cycle, man. Don't do it.

>>87978225
Come on man, pages 1-40 are done in Flash 8

>>87978367
Different guy here. I don't care if it's a vicious cycle. I'd rather see the artist improve over 2 or 5 years than have them redrawing everything and also slowing down their new releases.

Take Noblesse for example:
Chpt 1 February 28 2010 - http://m.mangafox.me/manga/noblesse/v01/c001/2.html
Chpt 434 Nov 22 2016
http://m.mangafox.me/manga/noblesse/v07/c434/11.html

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New page. I'm still trying to puzzle my way through multiple light sources in a dark room.

Bumpin'

>>87975457
60$ for a page isn't a lot. Maybe for an amateur artist.
If it takes 6 to 8 hours to finish a colored page (and depending on the quality level, it may take more), that's be 60$ / 8h, 7.5$ an hour, which is around minimum wage in the US.
I guess it depends on the quality you're looking for though, and if it's some kid doing it on the side, it may work out, doing a page in a couple of hours with wonky composition, anatomy and rendering.
Of course, you may be willing to work for (much) less when working on your own passion project, but that doesn't really factor in when you're working on someone else's dream story.

Bump again.

>>87980398
Yeah, I was gonna say, 60/page is pretty good. If you found a reliable artist who will do that with the sort of quality you're showing, you scored.

I just got up and am drinking for breakfast. Anyone want me to crit/redline their panel layouts/framing? I secretly hate all your composition but don't want to rip anyone apart without consent.

>>87981209
I'm always looking to learn something, and with my slow output, panel composition is a thing I'm not experimenting as much as I probably should be.
You want me to post a specific page I want feedback on, or could I ask you to just look through my pages and give general advice?

>>87981252
Honestly, you're one of the better looking ones in this thread, making crit more of a challenge. You have a really good eye for distributing characters and background in the right way to show what is going on, which a lot of people underestimate. I've got your comic up, any page sequence in particular you want me to take a look at?

>>87981382
Not really - I figure with composition, most of the time you make a mistake you won't know you've made a mistake, y'know?
I guess the most recent pages are the most relevant, so if you could look through page 17-23 of the current chapter for things that could be improved, that'd be great.

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>>87981477
Couple thoughts on the first page. No real comments on the second two, other than that it's really good banter. The text cutoff on 93 might be better if bubbles faded out, or the text got progressively smaller, or something else to emphasize it's not an error.

>>87981697
>behind him
her* now that I'm on page 4.

>>87981697
Good points all.
In defense of the rainbow, it does have a purpose - previously they were told to use the rainbow bridge to reach Alfheim, so having the rainbow touch down in the background is supposed to communicate that they've gone across it and are now in Alfheim.

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>>87981830
Yeah, I figured it was something like that. It was in too prominent of a place to be a purely aesthetic thing.

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>>87981937

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>the most profitable thing I've done is paywall porn comics on patreon

Why are the worst practices the most successful?

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>>87981954

>>87981937
Actually burst out laughing when I saw what you meant by spooky ghost pose. Any ideas for what I should have done differently? Keep her head aligned with her body and just have her eyes point at the tent, maybe?

>reference the convo on page 92
You mean the one about how she's not hurrying enough? Yeah, I can see what you mean.

>It's really hard to notice the character in the second-to-last panel
What, the one with the birds? Really? I figured she'd be really hard to miss since she's right next to one of the tweets.

>>87981954
>best to plan this shot from a page back
Yeah - something as simple as having the last panel of >>87981937 center the character would have made the flip a lot less jarring.

Good point about the cat's movement - IIRC I wanted panels 5 and 6 to be one wide-angle panel originally, but I couldn't get it to work in time.

>>87982162
You're right about what I was trying with the cat.

I really should have had the tent visible in panel 6, shouldn't I.

Sometimes I don't know if I'll ever get this comic off the ground, I've been working on it off and on for 10 years now. So much has changed in the story as I've grown as an artist, writer, and overall person.

>be 17
>be weeb by 2006 standards (would never have seen me on a cringe dump if they existed then)
>meet fellow weeb girl, 6/10, she has an idea for a manga.
>shows me 7 characters, looking back all based on aspects of her horrible home life.
>offer to help fill up her manga with stories and antagonists, partnership born
>graduate, she's held back, lose contact for 2 years
>go to technical school, have no idea what I'm doing.
>get in contact again, we begin working for real on manga.
>begin getting into western comics (DC new 52) and want to shift the style to be less weeb.
>she hesitates but concedes to a challenge that we each post a chapter on deviantArt and whoever gets more votes will be the style.
>never happens
>I get into animation class and focus my efforts on projects in that class
>never get anywhere
>want to begin again on comic, she said yes but never wanted to have meetings or generally talk about it
>continue to work on new arcs and stories while she flunks out of technical college
>wants to continue on my own
>she claims ownership of the whole project, even all of the characters I created (she even RP's with them with DeviantArt friends)
>never told her any of the new stories and arcs I came up with
>change all of her (few) characters beyond recognition and removes her name from all documentation (I kept most of it on Google Drive)
>Mutual friend tattels
>She threatens to sue me
>tell her good luck
>that was 2 years ago
>yet to draw a single page

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>>87978574
Forty pages isn't that much.
I am redoing the first 25 of mine right now, because I work in BnW now, I am 5 million times better and the story legit made no sense.
Also I can do 3-5 pages a week now as opposed to one a month, so it is not a big deal. Finally my wife asked me to stay home for a year or so and get
>>87980398
Yeah 60$ bucks would be under minimum for me, truthfully, and I am not even any good.

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>>87967097
>>87967306
>>87967472

hey... I remember you from DA back in 2007

Been a long time

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>>87982312
>Any ideas for what I should have done differently? Keep her head aligned with her body and just have her eyes point at the tent, maybe?

If she's stretching like that, you have an excuse to arc her back and puff her chest out, which will make it clear which way her torso is facing. You did it in a later panel pretty clearly.

>What, the one with the birds? Really? I figured she'd be really hard to miss since she's right next to one of the tweets.

I think the problem is that the tweets take precedence. The bright red birds and white speech bubbles say "this is the important thing to look at" while the character is about as obvious as any of the leaves or rocks.

A lot of people will probably notice her, but my attitude toward comicking is that you generally want to make the crucial storytelling elements AS easy as possible for anyone to follow. If I misread a panel while drinking for breakfast, there's probably like 10% or more of your readers who are going to misread it. Maybe because they're also drinking for breakfast, or maybe just because they're watching TV while they read, or listening to music, or reading quickly to see if the two main characters fuck.

>>87982312
>Yeah - something as simple as having the last panel of >>87981937 (You) center the character would have made the flip a lot less jarring.

I was kind of thinking that, yeah. The big problem with the log is that your later panels are a complete inverse of the panel that establishes the scene. It's very easy to assume the flowers on the log just disappeared, when they're actually just on the other side. And like I mentioned, it sort of throws off people's ability to build a mental "map" of the area, which is important for both making them seem trapped and conveying movement-based body language. Things like the loop while speaking, spinning around when she jumps off of the log, or the cat gradually getting closer to her as he speaks adds a lot to the scene if people accurately infer it.

>>87982353
I'm no expert, but it seems to me that when you've worked on a comic for ten years and you haven't gotten one page done yet, you should probably try making a different comic instead.
Do something cheap and disposable, rather than a baby you've been doting on for years and years. You're almost certainly gonna mess up on your first try and you know it, so the fear of failure is going to be overwhelming and paralyzing. Make up a new thing.

Once you understand how cheap and easy ideas are, you'll be much better equipped to tackle it.

>>87982139

The number 1 rule in anything is that porn always sells, so you really shouldn't be surprised by this.

>>87981954
*clear movement

But yeah, that's everything I've got. Like I said, your comicing is already really good compared to most of the things here. Almost every panel makes it clear how we transitioned to it from the previous panel, which is a point a lot of people (even ones who draw very well) miss in comics.

>>87982505
I kind of intended the "WAIT IS THAT A CAT" to sound a bit weird since she's panicking.

>nm I guess all the horses died
Do you think it's a problem that it was left a bit vague until then?

>did you just make your friend step in your pee
Yes. I thought it might be a funny callback to have the characters acknowledge it once the scene has calmed down again.

>The bright red birds and white speech bubbles say "this is the important thing to look at" while the character is about as obvious as any of the leaves or rocks.
Yeah, I see where you're coming from. Maybe if I had a tweet get her attention in the previous panel and then its tail went right by her as she sits in the background?

>>87982633
Thanks for taking the time to help me out, Anon. I probably won't go back and revise these pages, but I'll be saving your comments to think about.

>>87982905
>Do you think it's a problem that it was left a bit vague until then?

Nah, I don't think it's important. The next page makes it clear that the horses are all dead, and the implications this has.

>>87982905
>Thanks for taking the time to help me out, Anon. I probably won't go back and revise these pages, but I'll be saving your comments to think about.

You're welcome! And yeah, I'd hardly expect you to go back and fix a bunch of minor rough spots pertaining to the location of a log. "I have to fix the earlier pages" is an attitude that tends to kill comics (HINT HINT, REST OF THREAD). I just hope people will learn from critique and improve on their past work, or the work of others.

>>87978798
speaking of improvements, I'm loving how this has gotten better.

>>87980398
>>87981209
it's almost like this is why people generally only start projects like this if they can reliably sell a product

>>87982353
it's weird reading an alternate version of my own life where things went more as I planned but about as successfully.

>>87982507
my problem is that I have documentation for roughly 8 projects that never got out of planning. 3 animations, 2 comics, a screen play, a survival game, and a Metroid fan game

>>87983662
I seem to have excluded the part where I went out with the girl but we ended up be emotionally wrong for each other.

>>87984060
i inferred that part

>>87931164
So i created a webcomic. the story is great and i have already a huge fanbase.
i did a short animation of it too. great success.
It's about a girl with fear of animals who's looking for a job. something happens bla bla and she ends up in a world populated by animals.
She's a guidance counselor in a school!
What do you think

>>87984041
What worked for me in that situation was to stop planning and just start drawing.
I'd been half thinking about the idea for a few months, I had like half a page worth of outline for my first chapter and I just went for it, making things up as I went.
Sure, it didn't result in a perfect comic - the early pages are full of wasted pages and awkward panels and inconsistent character designs - but it's a lot better than all the comics I never got around to drawing.

>>87984225
I never stopped working on them, I just focused on the lore and more character arcs. I always wanted every character to be able to pull a chapter on their own.

>>87984330
Do a short comic.

Do not wait, do not plan more than ten pages. Find one short story you can tell in the setting. Something that could stand on its own, absolutely alone with no companion pieces in a larger series. Focus on that story. Tell it in ten pages. Do not plan more. Focus on those ten pages or less.

Put that out.

Then do it again. And do one more.Then, and only then, will planning a large project be more than wheel-spinning.

>>87984330
That sounds like textbook creator procrastination.

Dreaming of big complex projects is a lot more fun, a lot more simple and a lot less frightening than actually taking the steps necessary to bring the idea into the world, which is hard, boring and dangerous to the ego.

>>87984457
>>87984533
To add to the procrastination side, I've been spending a lot of time thinking about what style I want to use. I've been thinking about emulating the style of Darwyn Cook quite a bit.

>>87931164
Could I get an invite to the discord chat?

>>87982353

>was still 17
>thought that some of my charaters and hers should "mingle" together
>most relations we came up with remain intact to this day (amongst proper analogous characters since her characters technically no longer exist)
>She becomes more SJW and more or less demands all characters (mine included) be at least Bi if not Super Gay
>no character arcs, less fighting, more gay sex scenes.
>villains turn so they can have sex with good guys
>everyone lives under roof and has gay sex every day
>and she called "me" a pervert

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>>87975457
I'll take 60$!
I don't have a real job and the comic I'm doing is for free.

Have a sample...because my profile still needs work.

>>87986406
I think you're misreading him, mate - he's already got an artist working for him at that rate.

>>87984197
seems odd you'd be asking what we think after just telling us the premise, if you already have a fanbase. not saying I don't believe you or anything
i dig the concept. certainly a unique way of using some of that subject matter... though I've never heard of a generic fear of animals before.

>>87986327
women, amirite
no
but also yes.

>>87986406
fucking cute.

>>87986453
Shit I was blinded by money!

>>87985169
You can swap styles if you do a short comic. Try multiple ones. One in each style you want. That way you're not tied down.

>>87986406

I'll need a filler comic for Saffron and Sage (saffroncomic.com) around Christmastime. If you've got a good idea, shoot it to admin at legendofthehare.com.

Noooooo promises, though. I may already have an artist for that filler comic lined up.

>>87986592
It'll be 3 years soon since I last spoke to her, occasionally I'll look at her Deviantart to see what she's been up to and she's limited herself to fanfictions where the main male character falls in love with one of her OC's.

I extended an olive branch to her a year ago and she declined so I'm probably never going to see or speak to her again anytime soon

>>87986711
sounds good, I'll be after the new year before I get anything substatial out for you lot to judge

>>87986923
Good. Crank out most of the work on ten pages in the span of maybe two months, or however long you want to do it in. That's plenty of time. Parcel your time out. Plan ONLY for a ten-page short-comic and make it something that could be read and be at least satisfying in just that time, even if it's just atmosphere or one simple, unoriginal conflict resolution. Put yourself on some rough limit and charge through it in that time.

This is the sort of thing that will break Creator Procrastination.

>>87987033
just got to figure out a short story that'll fit into the lore

>>87986888
i had a friend once randomly use one of my characters in his comic.. the weird part is he never told me. had to find it myself. cameos are cool, but it's still weird finding that stuff out on your own

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>>87986327
>villains turn so they can have sex with good guys
>everyone lives under roof and has gay sex every day

>>87987180
think about the movies that anime tv shows have.. those sidestories that aren't really part of the show, they're neat little short (well by series standards) selfcontained stories that still work in all the characters in some way

>>87987246
That was literally every fanfiction she printed out and brought to school. Her favorite was Mortal Kombat

>>87987253
Give me some magic related topics and I'll make up a story around it. you can be as vague or specific as you want.

>>87987357
>GET OVER HERE
>reptile's tongue
>bondage with the various rope/net moves
shit writes itself

>>87987431
personally I'm looking forward to nerding out sometime over the concept of spells requiring super contrived things like emotional states or the seventh son of a seventh son or shit like that, and some scholarly mage explaining how it isn't even the main thing making the spell work, just something that makes it easier. magical lubricant as it were. and how adding a limiter (wake up from true love's kiss etc) is like adding a flaw in a DnD character, gives you more points.. you just try to pick one you think is unlikely, and/or make the legend about it really vague so only you remember it when it's brought up, kinda like the secret question for your passwords

but somehow i think you're going for something a little less convoluted.. howbout it just involves interesting creatures in some way? cool monsters are ALWAYS fun. maybe a hybrid that was never possible before
or two prophets giving conflicting prophecies
or collecting magic colored pencils that each have different effects when something is drawn with them
or someone who appears to have a certain powerset but in actuality the powers belong to someone else, who's trapped inside some trinket they carry.. and that way the person carrying it can die tragically or whatever, but the cool powers can continue on in the form of the one who was trapped in there, after escaping. or if the carrier lives, they now have to work out some new way to be useful.

>>87987574
>seventh son
Hey, I saw that movie

I think we're going opposite directions in regards to how we want magic to work. I will tell you that a major plot point (as far as lore is concerned) is the event that created the Nephilim actually happened and explains a lot of the different mythologies

>>87987793
ah that old chestnut again. technically it only mentioned them as a timepoint, didn't explicitly say they were the half-angels. but that's still a really neat concept.
and the 'single thing is responsible for myriad of stories' concept is pretty old too, but it works really well.
i cant think of a specific kind of plot under that cirumstance either, no wonder you're having trouble. Best just pick a single person and follow their journey of figuring out how all of this pertains to them personally

>>87987881
Tha'ts why it's really only important to the lore, but it essentially bores down to the angels, at least many of the ones in charge of Earth, are tasked to ensure the human's survival in a cosmic trial. Creating the Nephilim was considered "cheating"

>>87988087
ahh righto.
okay well that still doesn't lend itself well to a SHORT story, but.. could still have something nice about someone on cleanup duty.. perhaps one of the halfnhalfs assisting one of the proper angels in some kind of task that protects human survival, keeps things subtle and unseen, and maaaybe just makes up a little bit for the guilt of being something that wasn't supposed to exist.

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been a while

>>87988199
why dont you have your own cartoon yet?

Can you get away with making a Patreon that doesn't offer any rewards other than "I can keep making comics and still live and eat food" or is any Patreon that doesn't offer rewards doomed to fail, regardless of the author or comic's popularity?

>>87988180
short stories are hard for me, arcs are very important to me

>>87975457
>Unless you have a *substantial* following already, you can't fund a comic on patreon.
What is a *substantial* following?

>>87988496
Not that guy, and I'm no expert, but I've done a teeny tiny bit of research by asking authors and looking for publicly viewable visitor numbers and comparing them with patreon pledges, and even the best viewership/patreondosh ratios I've seen (for stuff like niche fetish comics) wouldn't break $480 a month without around 2000 readers.
I definitely wouldn't expect it before you're consistently hitting 8k uniques per update, maybe more in the two-pages-per-week scenario.if you're updating less than three times a week (there seems to be some correlation between update frequency and how much money people are willing to spend).

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Does this dialogue read all right?

>>87989385
>the world, h uh?
such a cat
>suddenly interested in the gory bits
SUCH a cat

wait, not a cat?
one thing I'm seeing is.. you don't put any space in for the apostrophe for posessives, which makes it a tiny bit harder to see there is one.
also 'those of ymir's children who' is a bit awkward. I think you've said ymir enough times there to just say 'even those of his children tho'

>>87989718
er, who*

>>87989385
The middle row tripped me up a little. One thing is that it's not really clear why the axe makes a sound I guess maybe it was leaning against the tree trunk she's sitting on, but the way the trunk curves up at that camera angle makes that hard to infer.

On panel six, at first I thought the cat was responding to the thing she just said. If you're going to have him jump back a topic like that, I feel like the "Oh, I think I've heard that story!" bubble should overlap the "We should really go after her" bubble, cutting off the end a bit. It would emphasize that he's not responding to her current statement, but interrupting her.

>>87989813
>makes a sound. I guess maybe

Get me a pregnancy test, my sentence missed its period.

>>87989813
Honestly I see no reason at all to not just make the fourth row its own independent row, with word bubbles in order, that goes from left to right, and follows the last bubble in the bottom-right of the previous row... like every row in every comic does.

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After watching that youtube video about how spamming mediocre content gets you more revenue than well thought high-effort content, I have decided to downgrade my art and make 5 lame comics a week instead of putting effort in a single one. Mad shekels here I go!!!

>>87989909
Your shit is garbage and won't make money either way

>>87989718
>wait, not a cat?
It's supposed to come off as if he sees the killing of Ymir as a bad and immoral thing, which is rather out of character for a cat.

>>87989813
Yeah, the axe is going to be surreptitiously leaning against the tree in the first few panels.
I couldn't get the cat to cut her off properly, because there wasn't room for both of their speech balloons in the same place. Maybe if I added another tail going downwards from her, like she was going to say something else that he the interrupted.

>>87989841
Well, the main reason I did it is because with the way I made panel 5, I was jumping straight down to the right edge of panel 6 even when I had the balloons going left to right.
I also kind of feel like it adds to the sense of "wtf why is this cat talking about this gory story stuff".

>>87989909
Counterpoint; Dewd makes 5 lame comics a week, has done so for years, and makes 0 dollars on Patreon.

>>87990251
Yeah it just surprised me is all! I guess he's a Ymirian in disguise or whatever.
but cats love talking about gory stuff. that part didn't shock me at all. My cat watches with rapt attention while I disassemble animals for eating

>>87988438
Anyone?

Are rewards a MUST for Patreons or can you manage to earn some extra money just by having it there without incentives?

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God dammit, I have decent mass-appeal and could definitely win over a big audience of edgy young weebs but I don't know how to get out there and get more exposure.

Even if I pay for advertising I'm not sure about the best place to do so.

>>87988438
>>87990430
I think people will be more inclined to pay more if you offer rewards.
I've just edited mine to include some background world info in addition to preview sketches, maybe it'll work, maybe it wont.

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>>87990274
>tfw you reminded me that Dobson gets more money than me from Patreon

>>87990055
I already make cents, I just want a whole dollar daily! I'll come with the results of this experiment next week!

>>87990430
incentives are optional

but making a patreon is pretty pointless if you don't already have a dedicated following. $3 a month pointless

>>87990473
>I think people will be more inclined to pay more if you offer rewards.
Of course they'll be MORE inclined. I just wanna know if it's even feasible to earn anything from the promise of updates alone.

I mean I could offer rewards, but I'm not sure the best way to do so. The idea of "locking" content behind a paywall sickens me to the core, but promises to deliver extra content/requests/etc. to patrons sounds like it would take too much time out of making actual comics and defeat the purpose of trying to earn money so I can have more time to work on them.

>>87990486
Dobson doesn't update very often either, does he? SYAC's last update was in 2015.

>>87990486
>implying you're not going to forget about it out of shame when it inevitably flops
no matter how many times per week you do, shit is still shit

>>87990543
>The idea of "locking" content behind a paywall sickens me to the core
Just make it temporary.
People will pay to see pages a day early, and you have a month-long buffer, right?
Patreon also lets you make things that are free to everyone, like additional updates if you reach a milestone.

>>87990251
>I couldn't get the cat to cut her off properly, because there wasn't room for both of their speech balloons in the same place. Maybe if I added another tail going downwards from her, like she was going to say something else that he the interrupted.

I think that would just make it seem like she was saying whatever the cat said.

It looks like you could fit the "we should really go after her" bubble down in the panel's lower right, though. It might even flow better visually, since there'd be no big vertical jump after "she forgot her axe?.

>>87990465
>God dammit, I have decent mass-appeal and could definitely win over a big audience of edgy young weebs but I don't know how to get out there and get more exposure.

There isn't a lot of success to be had in mass appeal. Way too many people misunderstand this.

Something that kind-of-appeals to everyone super-appeals to nobody. And people can just go find media that perfectly fits all their tastes and interests instead.

>>87991168
I guess I misunderstood the term "mass appeal".

What I mean is there's a very large demographic that my comic can easily appeal to, not that appeals to many different demographics.

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Any good guides on making good advertisements for use on sites like Project Wonderful?

Before I go dumping money into it I want to make sure I have a decent grasp on getting the best results out of those tiny image dimensions.

>>87988253
a boy can dream.
thank you anon

>>87991325
>Any good guides on making good advertisements for use on sites like Project Wonderful?
we have in the past. I'm very disappointed in whoever's in charge of the OP if it's not in there.

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>>87991168
Alright, tries something new with the dialogue. How's this?

>>87991747
kiiiinda works. but I still don't understand why the dialogue needs to bleed between rows. anyone familiar with comics knows how to start over when a panel ends, and knows where to continue in the next.

>>87991747
Ooh, clever solution. The interruption works a lot better there.

>>87991269
>What I mean is there's a very large demographic that my comic can easily appeal to, not that appeals to many different demographics.

Depending how large and well-catered-to the demographic in question is, it might be about the same. It helps to identify a very narrow and ignored group that your stuff would hold massive appeal to.

>>87988496

I have a thousand followers on my Tumblr and Legend of the Hare was consistently hitting 1,500 pageviews/day at its peak, at which point I was maybe getting forty-odd bucks a month on Patreon. Since that's a tenth of what I needed to break even, I'll say that you need ten times that - 15,000 uniques/day - to support a twice-weekly comic on Patreon. Advertising money is pretty marginal.

>>87991787
Well, it doesn't strictly need to, but I feel like the spiraling flow adds impact to the page and makes it more interesting like I said up in >>87990251 . There's also an element of just wanting to see what happens when I bend the rules.

>>87992056
Good to hear.

>>87992056

>It helps to identify a very narrow and ignored group that your stuff would hold massive appeal to.

The ur-example of this would be furries. Lots of people made fun of them, but they had dosh, so making stuff for them was very profitable.

Probably the furries of the 2010s are the "alt-right". Lots of them hate mainstream webcomics, but no good webcomics for them.

>>87992875
That's.. not really the order that went in
it's more like
1. furries are more inclined to form little social groups with other ones
2. communities grow, people do lots of art
3. normies see this, find it repulsive, make fun of it and them

>>87992875
There's more examples than that, if you look beyond outright stigmatized groups. Order of the Stick is jokes about a single tabletop gaming system, and its Kickstarter (which would only appeal to readers) made 3 million dollars.

Or, the Foglios basically make their living off the steampunk community.

butts

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>>87994788

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I'm happy with this design so far

>>87996331
it's been a while, so I forget, but her eyes seem less cute than before. the inner edges of the upper lines of the eyes seem too long

>>87996480
I'll see what I can do when I ink the pic.

Hey fellow artists, who wants to add me as a friend on that new 3ds app swapdoodle?

>>87997364
i only play consoles.. and sometimes PC.

Can I get a discord invite, the one in thread is dead.

>>87997877
https://discord.gg/4NdjJ

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>>87986835
What do you mean by filler comic,no joke I just started taking comics seriously this week.

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POKEMON IS SHIT DIGIMON IS SUPERIOR

>>87998278
sometimes people go on vacation and let a guest draw a page or a few pages, just as a fun little sidetrack

>>87998425
oh ok

>>87992875
On the other side of things, transactivists might have the makings of a good cash cow demographic.

Look at the Assigned Male patreon: https://www.patreon.com/sophielabelle

If you can make a better trans-related webcomic than Assigned Male, and I guarantee you literally anyone can, then you might be set

>>87999667
and then after a few years and tons of fame, it could end with them being cured
man if i had it in me...

>>87999667
>If you can make a better trans-related webcomic than Assigned Male, and I guarantee you literally anyone can, then you might be set
If you try to profit off of trans-centered comics in the vein of Assigned Male and are found to not be transgender you'll likely get crucified/excommunicated by the community. They really hate cis people profiting off of them, especially since so many of them are dirt poor and there's a limited audience as it is.

>>88000243
nobody can prove you're not transgender
like that's one of their talking points
If you're caught describing yourself as cis, you're just closeted. If you say you're trans but don't look/act like it, accuse dissenters of gatekeeping.

>>87999745
I desperately want someone to do this and have the last comic be the character admitting it's just a phase.