is Selina/Catwoman the best Batman love interest /co/?

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>>87922636

Not only that, but the best female Bat-character period.

>>87922636
I gave up on capeshit for a while, she ever got a decent run since the new 52?

>>87922636
Easily.

>>87922924
The Valentine run in the DCYou period was unique and entertaiming.

>>87922636
Damn right. Best endgame

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>>87922636
Not even close

>>87923033
talia sucks nigga

one dimensional cultbitch

>>87923072
>bitch
she is way purer than catwoman

>>87923088
you can't be pure if you do a rape, it's the law

>>87922924
One of her absolute best.

Zatanna is

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>>87922636
not by a long shot

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>>87923033
>Fell in love with his rapist

>>87923106
>rape
that's not what happened

>>87922924
Valentine had a good run
New 52 vol 6 and 7

Shame she didn't get another dc book

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I actually always preferred WonderBats, being a DCAU babby, but I have to admit that Batman: Telltale and Gotham are selling me on the eternal dance that is the Bat and Cat.

>>87922636
Nah, she's a serial killer and traitorous bitch.

>>87922636
No, that would be the Joker

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>>87923638
>cover making you anticipate the hand-holding

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>>87923326

>>87923719
Sounds exactly like a cat to me m8.

>>87923972
Sounds exactly like a woman to me m8

>>87923638
WonderBats has the problem that the power mismatch invalidates one of them. If Diana is linked to Batman then there is no reason for her not to curbstomp his physical villains and Lasso of Truth his cerebral ones. At the same time Batman's MO and low power level make him all but useless at worst, and Steve Trevor at best, against Diana's villains. And if Batman is linked with Diana, Diana will be sidelined and made incompetent because that's what happens when you pair another hero with Batman.

Plus everyone knows the superior Bat/WW franchise ship is Damian and Devastation.

>>87924435

I see the argument, but raise you the idea that it can be handwaved by her respecting his crusade and not wanting to destroy the legend he had built (thus staying out of his shit unless it's something that involves them both) and him keeping out of her business because he usually stays in Gotham. It's not hard for her to fly/be teleported out of Wayne Manor on a morning, or them have a generally long distance relationship. Ideally, their team up battles would occur in a Batman/Wonder Woman side comic.

It's looking like the DCEU may be going this way, but they have cleverly side stepped the problems you raise by Batman basically having cleaned up his usual rogues and dealing with stuff beneath a vaguely apathetic Diana.

If you were to avoid sidestepping the issues altogether, you could take Batman back to the days where his detective work was what it was all about.

>>87924435

>Plus everyone knows the superior Bat/WW franchise ship is Damian and Devastation.

You mean Jason and Artemis.

>>87924663
True, but you've still got the issue of the "big" storylines that she'd have no logical reason not to intervene in. The usual explanations for why other heroes don't show up like "they're busy with their own villains" or "they trust Batman to take care of it" fall apart once Batman becomes Diana's boyfriend.

And making Batman be a pure detective doesn't really help as Diana can just brute force investigations with the lasso of truth.

>>87924745
Jason/Artemis is the perfect ship, anon.

>>87924919

I suppose as the N52 utterly demolished any feelings they had, it's all irrelevant guesswork anyway. The DCEU is the only place it might, and I stress the might, happen, and cinematic entries sidestep that by not being in-depth of daily lives/quests.

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>>87923962
The lettering is horrible, it's badly cropped, and doesn't use the actual translation despite it still working.
D-, only because it's from a good doujin.

>>87925020
I'm just not a fan of shipping characters that don't share a book.

>>87925718
>and thus began the fucking weirdest night in some waiters life.

She really is. I don't know why there have been so many attempts to give Bruce his own Lois Lane like Vicki Vale or any random girl of the week.

>>87924435
>WonderBats has the problem that the power mismatch invalidates one of them. If Diana is linked to Batman then there is no reason for her not to curbstomp his physical villains and Lasso of Truth his cerebral ones.
Except that doesn't work because it's a comic book. You can say the same thing about BM/SM team ups.

>>87924435

You do know you can the same for the Superman/Batman friendship and team-ups, right?

>>87924919

Explain to me why Superman never goes to Gotham then despite Superman and Batman being close to the point of considering each other as brothers?

>>87922636
Talia wins by virtue of reproduction.

>>87929712

Well Golden-Age Selina actually birthed his child, while Damian was gestated in an artificial womb.

My main problem with the Batman/Catwoman ship is that once you pair them up the whole cat-and-mouse dance have no point anymore and the pairing loses all the reason to exist.

What makes Catwoman interesting is that she's the mirror side of Batman.
She's an independent woman that break the rules to do things that will benefit herself because she grew up poor and never had any help.
Batman, meanwhile, is an independent man that break the rules to do things that will benefit the people of Gotham because he grew up rich and always had help.
They like each other, but don't understand each other much, because one will never stop doing what they do for each other despite constantly trying to chance one another.

Once you've Catwoman changing herself to better suit Batman's morale and wishes, Catwoman, at least in my opinion, loses all her appeal and agency. She just because the boring and good wife that change her life for a man.

I seriously don't understand why BatCat shippers want to see Catwoman tamed. This reminds me of the recent Batman 66' animated movie were they poked fun of the The Dark Knight Rises ending with Bruce and Selina living a boring couple life in France. What a underwhelming end.

>>87923106

Catwoman pretty much raped Batman at the beginning of the Nu52.

She was also a slut pre-Nu52 who slep with Wildcat, an old geezer that trained. Fuck, she was literally a prostitute.

>>87929764

None of this is really true, you don't seem to understand the dichotomy and why people enjoy the pairing so much. And they do understand each other, better than just about anyone else.

Catwoman doesn't have to stop being Catwoman for the pairing to work, I'm not sure why people who are against the ship seem to keep saying that. Catwoman's a criminal, but she walks a fine line between good and bad, she wouldn't have to completely change herself in order for it to work. Hell look at how she was in Brubaker's run, a legit anti-hero and she was considered the best she'd ever been, characterization-wise.

>>87927370

Julie Madison, Vicki Vale and Silver St. Cloud all served their function as doomed romances, which are Batman best romances. Madson as the perfect marriage that he had to give up to become Batman, Vale as his Lois Lane and Cloud as the normal gal that left him after not being able to deal with him being Batman.

I also liked the Chase Meridian from Batman Forever. The idea of Bruce Wayne dating a shrink is pretty interesting. They should explore that one in the comics. Shondra was a poor fit.

I also see Catwoman as another great doomed romance, but i refrain to mention that because i know it upsets BatCat shippers. In my mind Batman OTP is with Lady Justice.

>>87922636
I like both CatBat and Wonderbat.
What do?

Talia gets me rock hard. So.

She's my favorite.

>>87929816

See, people always go back to the Brubaker's run. Catwoman as a anti-hero protecting the East End is something almost insulting to me. It's an attempt to change the character's roots because writers can't write a cape character being a criminal. So of course she must protect the downtrodden It's also an attempt to also push the BM/CW ship by changing her.

Batman would never be with a criminal, even if the only thing she does is steal things from obnoxious rich people that have too much and pay very little attention to what they own. Batman looking the other eye is OCC. Their relationship should be a cat-and-mouse game where one's trying to push the other to their side without ever winning.

I'd like to see Chris Bunn writing her. At least i feel he'd keep her as a legit criminal.

>>87929863

Lol fuck off with the whole "roots" nonsense. As if characters aren't allowed to develop. Hell even in the 70s she tried to renege, but life just had a way of fucking her over.

>>87929917

And in the late 80's they retconned her helping Batman now and again and knowing his identity, by having Joker frying her brain, mostly because the publisher is aware that once you change her too much there's nowhere more to go. You don't fuck with what works.

>>87929764
>I seriously don't understand why BatCat shippers want to see Catwoman tamed. This reminds me of the recent Batman 66' animated movie were they poked fun of the The Dark Knight Rises ending with Bruce and Selina living a boring couple life in France. What a underwhelming end.
You know people say that, but I think it works. It plays out the only way the Bat/Cat relationship can play out: They both retire.

Bat/Cat flirting and back and forth is their default status. Bat/Cat actual relationship is the endgame, something that can only happen when they hang up their capes and let go of their demons. And I like to think that Bruce will, eventually, at some point in the future, learn to let go of his darkness and help people in other ways.

Basically Golden Age Batman has the perfect ending as far I'm concerned.

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>>87922636
no

>>87929928

More like they know pathetic comic fans are terrified of the status quo being changed, which is hilarious considering Brubaker's and Valentine's runs, which both flipped the status quo on its head and made Selina a more empathetic, insightful and well-intentioned character, were both met with near-unanimous acclaim from fans, critics, and authors alike.

>>87929978

I agree with you that the only possible endgame for them is if both hang-up the capes for each other like how it happened in the original Earth-2.

I hate when writers try to change only Catwoman by turning her into Batman with titties in an attempt to have Batman better accept her. Why should she be the one to compromise who she is?

But i like the default status well enough with them flirting and fighting one another, the whole struggle of it, and also them fucking on rooftops.

It makes for good writing, simply because they are on two completely opposite ends of the 'taking personal responsibility' spectrum

I'm not sure that they could ever work in the real world, Batman is just too cold and rational, Selina has demonstrated many times that she gives up on anything but herself

A better match is Harley, simply because she would slowly adapt herself to his craziness, and he would feel the need to protect her from herself

>>87930039

Catwoman in Valentine's run was a mob-boss that did a lot of awful shit. There's a difference between giving Catwoman a new status that fits her and making her Batman's sidekick while also moving to the Wayne manor or whatever the fuck shippers wish for.

>>87930075

Everythinf ahe did was for the greater good. The entire story is about her trying to stop innocents from getting caught in gangwar crossfire and getting them under control.

>>87929858
Shame she's never really in the limelight outside of "my evil son's mother"

Batman is interested in females lwt alone in sex? Since fucking when? The guy never fucks anything, hell he doesnt even look at tits or ass.

Hes beyond asexual.

>>87929707
Gotham just feels icky to Superman. He doesn't wanna spend time there if he doesn't absolutely, world-will-end-if-he-doesn't have to.

>>87930098
Morrison's balls out evil Talia was the most interesting Talia has ever been.

>>87930097

She still had people killed and still tried to turn a profit for her family and other mobs.

>>87930126

You can do the same with Wondy.

>>87930167

Yeah because if she didn't her mob would have mutinied, then everyone would be fucked what with Black Mask and Penguin both vying for Gotham.

And don't try to make it sound like I'm saying she's a saint. She's not. Never has been and never will be. She operates in shades of grey as opposed to Batman's black-and-white world. Just another reason the dichotomy between Bruce and Selina works so well, it forces them each to confront themselves in ways they never would otherwise. It's great for both characters.

>>87930214

I just feel like you're trying to make her an altruistic character and i hate that. I want her as a thief and thinks about herself first and foremost because the world never handled her anything. I find that Catwoman more compelling.

Sure, i hate the new murderous Catwoman, but from going not wanting people to die to thinking of the greater good is bullshit.

You say she was thinking of the greater good, i say she was trying to not have a bloodshed.

>>87929787
Not to mention she strung poor old Slam Bradley on for years, then had a kid with his son after One Year Later

>>87930232

Sure, she's not altruistic, but she's a good person deep down. That's what being around Batman has caused her to confront in herself, because he believes in her when nobody else would. She is just as damaged as him, just from a wildly different walk of life.

Before, she never had a reason to be good. People generally treated her like garbage or just used her, or just expected the worst from her. She didn't have loving parents, or a supportive butler, or the comfort of riches and a home like Bruce did. She had nothing so in order to escape her god-awful life she decided to take from a world that gave her nothing.

I think making her into just a thief with no capability for good or the will to do the right thing is a mistake and leads to stagnation. She can still be a criminal with the capability to do things Batman never would, but denying her the capability for growth and development beyond her criminal past is an insult to the character.

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>>87922636
Batman? Love interest? Why? If he must have then it will be her, pic related.

>>87930440

Yah, but you don't need to also place her in the other extreme and have her completely reformed and having a stable relationship with Batman. They should always be in conflict with Catwoman not wanting give up her independence and profession of choice, even for Batman, and with him trying to "save" her and constantly begging her to reform.

>>87930498

You keep drawing these imaginary lines with your hilariously narrow view of the characters. This is the kind of outlook that stifles creativity and character progression.

If the cat-and-mouse game is all the potential Batman and Catwoman had together then there would be literally no reason to write them together in the first place.

>>87930689

>If the cat-and-mouse game is all the potential Batman and Catwoman had together then there would be literally no reason to write them together in the first place.

That sentence makes no sense.

>If dressing up as flying rodent and fighting crime is all the potential Batman have then there would be literally no reason to write about Batman in the first place

Cape comics is all about the set-up since the stories never end. The main attraction of BatCat is their game of cat-and-mouse. It's where the conflict and drama lies. That's why the publisher always revert them back to that. Once you're past that the relationship pretty much dies.

And in the case of Batman, specially, his romances are supposed to be bittersweet.

>>87930759

It only makes no sense because you're an idiot who can't even manage to draw a proper analogue, let alone wrap your head around the idea that character progression and inter-character interactions should't be ultimately cyclical in nature.

>>87929928
"being a villain is what works"
>Selina's solo runs were always considered kind of mediocre until Brubaker

Where is this sudden opinion coming from all of a sudden? If anything, you can do very little with full terrible person Selina, because it's unbelievable that Batman would have anything to do with a 2D "mm I love being bad watch me slit this guy's throat" character like that.

If anything, changing her back to being a villainess is "changing what works"

>>87930972

Brubaker isn't that great either. The fact that he had to change her into a hero because he couldn't write her otherwise sucks. That's why Priest's run on Deathstroke has been so refreshing.

>"mm I love being bad watch me slit this guy's throat"

Nobody is asking for that.

>>87930779
Not to be rude, but I'm with this guy straight up.

Having Selina be 100% "fuck errybody else" makes her both unbelievable as an extended love interest and leads to utter stagnation of the character as "she chases batman, and then she probably goes to jail eventually because they can't be together like in Chase Me (which is admittedly a good short, but it was the only really great catwoman moment in BTAS where she was like 100% selfish.)

For the record, I don't want her to be a saint. I think Catwoman, ideally, should be
>Good person who tries to think of others at heart
>But also adores the criminal lifestyle and literally can't give up the thrills it entails even when it ends up harming her friends

Catwoman should be something like a foil to Batman, rather than a Poison Ivy. They both represent pursuing an ideal that they can never really grasp. To Bats, it's a life of freedom and pleasure where he hangs up trying to help EVERYONE, to Selina, it's a life of stability where she finally hangs up her criminal lifestyle. I think it's a very interesting character dynamic, moreso than "she tries to tempt bats into not being a boyscout"

>>87931044
I know that some people genuinely want her to become a villain because they find psycho villainesses hot, so sorry for the assumption.

>>87931080

Having Catwoman as a 100% good person is equally as bad. She should be 50/50.

Sure, she can care for friends and others, thus never stealing for needy people and sometimes using her skills just for the pleasure to help others, but she should also be somewhat selfish and sometimes do things that might hurt others because she thought of herself first or didn't think things through at all. It should be a constant internal battle for her.

Having her as this altruist thief that's constantly thinking about others or the greater good sucks, specially when the character began as a gang boss and thief that did things for her benefit.

That's something that the FOX's TV show Gotham understand. Their loli Selina is constantly torn between helping others and looking out for herself, and that creates a compelling narrative, specially when it comes to her interactions with shota Bruce since she feels super conflicted about him.

>>87931198
To be honest, I don't really like Valentine's run that much either because it's mostly "selina tries to do good" rather than having any of the character conflict. It was interesting as an experiment and I think Valentine did it because the plot was thrown at her before she could even get on the book and she had to do it, but it wouldn't be a good extended run.

I don't really know where you get the idea that brubaker selina is full antihero, considering big score is straight up her pulling a heist that gets almost all of her friends introduced killed.

>>87922636
This is not even in question, OP. She is, was, and always will be Batman's one true love. All others are less suited and way less interesting than her.

>>87931247

>She is, was, and always will be Batman's one true love.

That's bullshit and you know it. She's a love interest, not his "tru luv".

Batman's only true love is JUSTICE. The women in his life are just side hoes tempting him to leave his true love for them.

Fucking shippers, man.

>>87930496
>Batman
>justice
>when Joker, Ras, Zasz, etc etc etc are still alive
No. At most you could say that Batman is interested in Order. But never Justice.

>>87931244

>I don't really know where you get the idea that brubaker selina is full antihero, considering big score is straight up her pulling a heist that gets almost all of her friends introduced killed.

I see Selina's Big Score as something separate. More like a prologue.

>>87931291
It's basically the pilot episode to the run, I think it still counts.

>>87931275
see >>87931278 regarding Batman and Justice.

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>>87922636
Not even close.

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>>87922636
Not wanting the childhood friend to win? It's like you don't even know the rules /co/

>>87931296

Yeah, but it's like... the first step in her change. That's why i don't count it. It's the "before" of the new status quo.

>>87931313
Zatanna and Catwoman get in a fight

Catwoman starts in stealth. Who wins?

>>87931331
to be fair, "getting into a heist where all of your friends die" is a good reason to be less of a villain.

Also she does some more crime in other parts of the run, IIRC she robs from Flash's hometown in one of my favorite parts. Been a long time since I read it.

>>87931322
>implying the childhood friend ever gets anything but cucked

jesus christ amateur hour up in here

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>>87931336
!namowtac eborp

>>87930137
No it wasn't. He traded one stock archetype for another.

>>87931336
Zatanna goes "raeppasid sehtolc s'namowtaC"
Then they kiss

>>87931378
>lesbians
absolute shit tier

>>87931369

Talia as an international terrorist ex battling for the custody of the child was pretty entertaining.

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>>87931336
yttik ytterp a si namowtaC

>>87931396
and saved!

>>87931392

Selina's bi.

You know what i would like to see? Wonder Woman and Catwoman as friends/lovers. Just to see how Batman would deal with the oddness of it.

>>87931407
>Wanting to see Batman get cucked
Faggot.

>>87931336

Selina slits Zatanna's fucking throat

>>87931414

Batman can deal with it. He's man enough.

Also, Catwoman cucks him all the time if you look it that way.

>>87931407
>>87931407
Hmmm.
Aproved. It's gonna be in Diana's book tho.
After we kick that hack Rucka off the book, you can have a crack at it.

>>87931438

Is that going to be her thing for now on?

>>87931443
But I like Rucka's books

It made Cheetah less boring and there's some REALLY good pages. That said, if Cheetah remains Barbara Ann forever I'll be a little disappointed because it was an interesting plotline abruptly cut short

>>87931350

She only steals Jay's helmet because Captain Cold extorted her services for info she needed. Then she hid it from him and Flash got it back.

>>87931350
>>87931475

Yup. Selina in Brubaker's run only did shady things because SHE HAD TO, and she also felt terrible whenever she did it. Mostly she'd try to do good. This is something i didn't liked about it.

>>87931441
>Batman
>getting cucked ever
No. Pre-new52 Bruce has tons of chicks, while Selina has...mm...one man and baby from him? New52 Bruce don't give a fuck about relationships and Catwoman. They were fuckbuddies for a moment, but it separated their ways.

>>87931469
Rucka is a competent writer but he's writing it for the "not muh" autists that irrationally hated the New52. I liked the New52 WW so once Rucka came on and started to to revert things I just checked out of the book. I didn't even mind Finch's run as much as I mind his.

>>87931469

My biggest problem with Rucka's run is that everyone is just super nice and understanding. Steve is super nice and understanding as a cuck, Etta is super nice and understanding as a friend, Cheetah is super nice and understanding as a frenemy, Sasha is super nice and understanding as a boss, Diana is super nice and understanding about everything.

It's like... God, FEEL SOMETHING, PEOPLE! Be selfish about something, be angry at something! Don't you all have wants and needs?

>>87931542
New 52 WW was okay but it still served to annihilate years of character arcs in favor of stories that were, largely, worse.

They didn't even give closure to a lot of plotlines. It was a PR grab.

>>87929826
oh im a bat cat shipper, i suppose, but any relationship with bruce is doomed, thats whats great about it to me, the only pure otps are justice and the joker, and thats still doomed since it ends in death

>>87931555
Sure but it attracted new readers, with fresh new views of some characters, like WW. And now some of those readers feel, like me, feel betrayed.

>>87931562
People always seem to hate it and get kind of upset when I mention it, but I'm really just a fan of Batman/Harley.

>>87931599
DC wasn't doing so great until Rebirth, so I dunno what to tell you.

I guess now you know how the people that liked the old books felt?

>>87931611
reformed i would like

>>87931562

Well, we think alike then! I just fucking love doomed romances. I find them super romantic and beautiful.

That's why my main draw about the BatCat thing is the fact that these two despite liking each other just won't change for one another. They simple can't. It's also precisely because of that they'll always be there for each other as well. Because Madison, Vicki, Cloud, Bordeoux, whatever, they will eventually leave Bruce Wayne/Batman since they want more out of life and Batman can't give them that. He'll never always be Batman. So since Selina as well will always be Catwoman, she and Batman will always be there jumping up rooftops in Gotham. They'll always be a constant in each other's lives even if they can't be together. What separates them is also what brings them together.

I find that sad and beautiful.

>>87931531

>one man

Ted, Slam, Sam, Blondie, That cop whose name I forget, her ex-husband idk his name, a few others im sure im forgetting...she was hardly celibate.

>>87931611
>>87931637

I just don't see them as a couple. I find it kinda gross.

I love Batman and Harley together, but as friends.

I can see Batman on his 50's still Batmanning and going to visit old Harleen on Sundays to sip coffee and talk about life, with old Bats always making sure if she's okay, on meds and if she needs anything else.

I find that cutely sad. The fact that Batman closest friends are people that are or were on this life, be it as heroes or villains.

>>87922636
Not right now, that's for damn sure.

>>87931666

Don't forget her pimp. I forgot his name.

>>87931666
My point is - Bruce can't be cucked by default. She didn't care about Selina that much. While she met one man, he banged few superhero chicks as Batman and fasion models as Bruce Wayne. And he started to "love" her when she was alone.

>>87931706

>he banged few superhero chicks as Batman and fasion models as Bruce Wayne.

He really, REALLY didn't. I don't know why people think Batman is like Wolverine constantly banging super-chicks left and right. He doesn't fuck even the models and socialites he goes out on dates with.

Stop trying to turn Batman into a slut. He's a pure soul.

>>87931706

Bruce has literally never had sex with a superheroine. Also the vast majority of the models he gallavants with as Bruce leave without so much as a kiss.

>>87931736
Mans can't be sluts, anon. More chicks - more manly you're. And he really, REALLY did. Not so many superhero chicks I guess (still more than anyone tho), but many elite bitches for sure. It's new52 Bruce who is almost monk.

>>87931690
>I find it kinda gross
>gross
The flirting in BTAS was cute as fuck, tumblr.

>>87931779

I'm telling you he didn't. Stop spreading rumors about Bruce Wayne.

>>87931782

Batman would never have sex with a woman who suffers from mental issue. Maybe if she's on her meds and even then i feel he wouldn't do it. He'd think of it as taking advantage. Specially when it comes to Harley.

>>87931789
I'll stop spreading rumors when you tell your friend in the bat costume to rape the Joker already.
This is your last warning, get him on it or I'll handle it myself.

>>87931801
>a woman who suffers from mental issue
Like Selina or Talia? Batman has plenty of mental issues himself too.

>>87931690
That's cute

>>87931816

Selina isn't crazy and Talia... Talia was okay when that happened.

>>87931826

Right? I see Harleen constantly bugging him about find a lady and settling down, and making small comments about how Selina's doing as a not so subtle push which Batman acknowledges and ignores, because he's Harleen few closest friends and she cares and pities him.

catwoman would be better if she were like cheetah

>>87931857
>>87931857

Fuck off, Timm.

>>87922636
237

>>87931789
>implying Batman is not fucking every sexy superchick around him (if she is not meeting someone already)
>implying Bruce is not fucking every elite bitch around him
Batman fucked Catwoman, Zatanna, Black Cannary (probably), Talia, WW (probably) etc. Not so much, but still many. But Bruce need to fuck shitload of lusting bitches to keep his reputation.

>>87931857
Catwoman would be better if she had a dick.

>>87931854
I almost see it that way ending, I mean if Beyond weren't so bad end I could see Batman doing that, or I guess he did if Harleen tried to keep her granddaughters from following her path

>>87931872
>Implying it's not Dini

>>87931876

He only did Selina and Talia.

He respected Zee too much to start anything trivial with her because he knows she deserves better, he was jumped on by Dinah and was totally surprised by that because he always rooted for Ollie and her, and WW didn't wanted to pursue their thing and he respected her wishes despite his feelings.

Bruce is a pure and gentle soul.

>>87931912
Dini is more of a Zatanna/Batman kinda guy

>>87931942
Dini's savin Zatanna for himself, he would peddle furry trash off on bruce

>>87931942

He's both Zatanna/Bruce and Selina/Bruce kinda guy.

>>87931955
>Dini's savin Zatanna for himself

But why would he do that if he already got it?

>>87931930
>respected so much that didn't fucked her for good
What the fuck is this shit? They were young when they've met and she trained him to be escape artist. Of course he fucked her.

>>87931976

No. Shut up.

>>87931971
And a Talia Bruce kinda guy, he really plays with all the ships

Timm is the one that likes Barbara

>>87931976
Did Zatara trained him though?

>>87931993

Timm is fucked in the head. He also push Dick x Selina. He's all about the most fucked up and nasty shit possible.

Like before the cartoons Barbara was almost 30 and a mature woman, but he purposely lowered her age in the cartoons and set up her with Dick in this sweet innocent romance kinda thing all so he could destroy it by pairing her with the Big Bats.

>>87931984
No, you stop you shit.
>He respected her so much blah blah
Fucking woman good is best way to show her your respect, son. Grow the fuck up.
>>87932000
I thing both. Zatara trained him and Zatanna showed magic staff.

>>87932032
Someone should just smack Timm in the face for that retarded garbage.

>>87932040

>Fucking woman good is best way to show her your respect, son. Grow the fuck up

You're pathetic. Thank God Batman isn't like you. He's a good guy. He'd never use or play with someone's feelings. He respect people.

>>87931619
I'm refering specifically to WW, and she didn't have a storyline ongoing that was cut short by New52.

>>87932064
>fucks with woman
>you enjoyed it
>she enjoyed it
>somehow it hurted her feelings
What the actual fuck? Bruce know that fucking is important and healthy. Chicks want Bruce, he gladly gives them what they want. There's nothing wrong about it. Are you gay or something?

>>87932091

>Bruce know that fucking is important and healthy.

He works out and meditate. Stop trying to make Batman look like some sleazy guy.

>>87932107
>Having sex is somehow sleazy
What?

Bruce never had sex with Zatanna. Nor Diana, nor Dinah.

>>87932144
Someone post the ASBAR page where he does Dinah.

>>87932162

Since when does making out equal sex?

>>87931278
Justice in one of it's primary definitions as "Administration of law or authority".
Killing someone isn't necessarily justice unless the law mandates killing someone, which it doesn't always do in the USA.
Justice isn't "everyone gets what's fair", and in fact "fairness" isn't implied anywhere in the definition of justice, just the arbitration of authority and/or upright behavior.

>>87932107
>being gentle man and good lover is sleazy
Pathetic. Are you cucked/friend-zoned or smth?
>>87932144
>implying they just kissed like goddamn teenagers

>>87932329

Stop trying to ruin Batman's image.

>>87932177
Well then no one in the DCU ever had sex (with maybe that one exception of Dinah and Ollie) since they don't explicitly show penetration.

>>87932329
Are you taking the troll's bait? Are you new? Stop it.

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>>87922636
Yeah

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>>87932361

>>87932492

That was pretty much rape.

>>87932998

Man, Bruce is terrible at this. He pretty much told her she's a very dear fuck-buddy.

>>87933056
Pretty sure he just told her she's the only woman whom he truly loves.
But yeah, same thing.

>>87935136

He told her will always love her, not that she's the only woman he truly loves. He also told her he could never offer more than what they already had, which is a terrible thing to say.

He could have said something more substantial. Made some promises. I don't know.

>>87935254

You're being pedantic. He said he loved her, spilled his heart out. This is Bruce we're talking about here, he doesn't say things like this lightly.

I don't see how that translates to calling her his fuckbuddy.

>>87935394

He could have said something more substantial. Given the woman some hope about their future. At very least promised to take her out for a dinner after that.

>>87931336
Depends, is Zatanna aware that Catwoman is trying to attack her?

>>87935521
Yes, but she doesn't know where she is.

>>87935451
Note that he thinks she's in a coma. As far as he's concerned he's talking to an empty room.

>>87935570

dat throat gon' get sliced

>>87922636
If she had a character trait other than "smug cunt", maybe.

>>87923033
Do people not know that Alexander fucking gave up on world conquest and died young?

What kind of great leader is that?

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Treads like these really make me miss Darwyn

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Why was BTAS Catwoman so trash?

>>87931313
That looks traced as fuck.