Venom #1 Storytime

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Our hero, gentlemen.

>>87884605
>When Peter realized the costume was making him angrier and more aggressive
THAT NEVER FUCKING HAPPENED!

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From leaks I thought he'll be injured more.

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>>87884757
If that triggers you, just wait for few more pages.

little context as to why Flash gave up the suit?

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>>87884858
Not revealed.

>>87884886
well that's horseshit. gave up after he joined the guardians and i can see that was a good move.

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>>87884896
Mhm. You missed some hilarious art from Dawn of War in Venom: Space Guardian or what name of the book was, I'm not sure.

>>87884944
Oh fuck, I can see where this is going.

>>87884944
It is almost as though the writer has no idea who Venom is.

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>>87884970
Yep. He made Venom his bitch.

>>87884974
venom itself being the voice of reason is odd. still cant stand that clintok(sp?) guardian bullshit

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>>87885005
Klyntar, I think.
Weird word. Reminds me of some body part.

>>87884944
So The Darkness : Venom edition?

>>87884757

Um, yes it did? Did you not read comics in the early 90s? They literally say that.

>>87884974
>90s tier edge
>awful design on top of it
Why is this happening? Have Venom fans not suffered enough lately?

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>>87885030
That's the exact thought I had. He only need two Venom heads or something.

>>87885002
>>87884974
>give the symbiote the best character development it's had in years
>drops Flash for an unknown reason
>give it to some angsty guy who's reverting it back to its shitty OG status

WE'VE COME FULL CIRCLE

>>87884714
>that gorilla anatomy on Tony

And people actually think Sandoval is a good artist?

>>87884757
Sorry anon, its a retcon. Nothing you can do.

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>>87885093
That's what bothers me the most. We got some new guy when we all know he'll be discarded moment Venom is cancelled.

>>87885106
>muh realism!

I bet you hate Kirby

>>87884714
>>87884738
Looks like they at least remembered that Mac got his jaw punched off, with the stitch scars on his face.

Unless that's just shit art. I honestly cannot tell.

>>87885128
poor symby ;_; can't catch a break

>>87884650
Hey, it's Jackie Estacado

>>87885055
>They literally say that.
Fucking where?

It never once happened. That ALL comes from the 90s animated series.

Fucking casuals.

>>87885146

It's sutures. He was shown with them in a few earlier stories like Spider-Man 2099.

>>87885093
Myabe Marvel thought the fans wanted something similar to the OG, how the sales for the Space knight where? is this a desperate attempt to sell more?

>>87885076
>carnage and anti-venom combine
i'm okay with that

>>87884757
RETCONNERRRRR!

I'LL FOLLOW YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTTHHHH!!!

>>87885178
they have plans for Flash. BIG. Please let it be Anti-Venom please please

>>87885174
looks like it, i wonder if anyone will call the writer on its similarity to the darkness

>>87885128
this fucking art...for fucks sake.

>>87885212
Then why not simply use Brock?
>Brock has Toxin, anon
>and he's kinda goodish, not villain anymore
I see wisdom now. I guess MacGargan wasn't popular?

>>87885238
id rather see him get toxin and eddie get anti-venom. itd make more sense given toxin being mostly house trained and eddie being violently anti-smybiotes

This issue turned up stupid pretty goddamn fast.

The suffering never ends, the only good that could come from this is the triumphed return of Anti-Venom with flash at the helm.

>>87885260
At least is not Angelo Fortunato

>>87885178
They've been advertising Eddie a lot for this series but don't even namedrop him here? What the fuck.

>>87885285
You really think I know stuff I don't. Just looked at wiki, he was ded after six appearances. Guess he was THAT popular.

>>87885128
Obviously the symbiote is in pain. So this is gonna be a 3 issue series where it jumps ship and finds a new host or returns to Flash right?

RIGHT!? ;_;

I don't like this guy. Normally edgy doesn't bother me but this guy is 2edgy4me

>>87885273
its modern marvel, the "lower your expectations" company. "house of ideas" got tossed out the window ages ago

>>87885025
>new yorker
>never heard of venom before

I really hate how MCU citizens and at times capes themselves are just oblivious to the world around them and never seem to know who anybody is

>>87885351

Especially since he's working for Mac Gargan.

Then again, I'm unsure of how public Mac's time as Venom was.

>tfw I spent $30 for the Del Otto variant already

The ride never ends

>>87884944
>>87884974
>>87885002
...so what's stopping the Venom symbiote from just saying "fuck this guy" and just leaving him immediately?

>>87885288
guessing eddie will spend most of the run hunting the new guy down thinking its the suit. finds out it was the guy and the suit had changed. venom is absorbed by toxin with the laters personality going dormant. leads into a new run back with eddie

>>87885268
It gonna be bad writing. "Hey Flash,my Anti-Venom powers keep manifesting,so I need to dump Toxin on someone. Take it,he can make pretty fancy legs". And Toxin is like "I 'm just symbiote bitch without my own opinion"

>>87885315
Look i just try to look at the bright we just wait to this thing to flop and then then Venom returns to Flash or Eddie if they still want to do the OG stuff and give Toxin to Flash, but i doubt any of that happening

>>87885093
>>give the symbiote the best character development it's had in years

Oh fuck off, you're a fucking faggot dude. NO new "development" to the symbiote has been good, unless you're a fucking newfag who doesn't know jack shit to begin with.

>>87885400
>And Toxin is like "I 'm just symbiote bitch without my own opinion"
Goddamn, I hate how Toxin is characterized outside of his two minis.

>>87885416
Flash is the best thing to happen to venom since his inception faggots.

>>87885400
>>It gonna be bad writing
again welcome to modern marvel. good comic writing has always been hit or miss and lately mostly miss

>>87885416
>been reading comics since the 40s
>newfag

sure bud

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>>87885389
They honestly should've just made Eddie Venom again to begin with. The entire advertiseing of this series has used Brock Venom imagery and people were getting excited assuming it was Eddie.

>>87885387
He's too weak to run. By the time he recovers,he will turn bad Venom,who eats brains.
This issue is so shitty,damn.

>>87885448
>40s
>not reading old timey comics made out of wood
Pleb.

>>87885437
I think he's talking about the klyntar bullshit that kinda contradicts Flash merit of keep Venom at peace with his will

>>87885487
Oh, yeah every bit of space shit was cancer

>>87885437
You mean Venom is the best thing to happen to Flash Thompson. The symbiote was abused and brainwashed for all that time.

>>87885487
Klyntar stuff is pretty good. It's just happens to quick and Ben-10 style.

>Carnage shows up
>YOU ARE NOT A BITCH, YOU ARE A STRONG, INDEPENDENT KLYNTAR WHO CAN GO SO FAR.
>Toxin series in 2017, with a new host, Tonya Xin, a half Asian, half Black bigender protagonist who shows the symbiote that it's 2017, the era of social justice and that there are rights for everyone, including symbiotes and it features symbiote fetishists as a villain for the first arc.
>Written and drawn by Kate Leth

>>87885128
....what is stopping the symbiote from just walking away right there? Its clearly not even attached to this edgy faggot.

>U.S. Army Ranger
Kek. Symbiote has pretty low standards for hosts, I see.

>>87885525
Please kill yourself, if you actually thought making all symbiotic good people with head problems was a good idea you shouldn't live.

>>87885526

Whoops, meant for >>87885400

>>87885466
Why do so many readers want the same shit rehashed over and over again with the same characters?

>>87885542
I wonder that, too. Maybe he'll manhandle Venom out of panel.
>>87885544
I've seen similar comment already. Rangers are dumb dumbs and not elites like vidyas taught me?

>>87884822
Jesus Christ how horrifying.

>>87885285
Honestly, Angelo was better than this edgemeister.

>>87885506
so you prefer ultimate spider-man symbiote to classic origin?

>>87885544
This dude is just a bad combination of Brock, Gargan, and Thompson. His Venom looks like Brock's to sell ass loads of variants and comics, he's pure evil like Gargan, and he's an amputee that served in the military like Thompson.

>>87885572
Nah, they're pretty good from what I heard. That's just /k/-tier banter and hope to provoke some upset responses..

>>87885325
>RIGHT!? ;_;
Lets fucking hope. If not, this is going to be real shit.

>>87885593
When in doubt, rip off.
>>87885605
Got it.

>>87884597
Shit, it's time already

>>87885586
I meant him going to his home planet and being cleansed, also being with the GotG at all.

But yes I prefer ultimate venom tbqh

>>87885550
It's not about ALL symbiottes good people. It's about how they TRY to be good people,but universe is shitty place and many of them are corrupted anyway.
It was just poor implemented.

>>87884597
Jeez man, say it don't spray it

>>87884886
>Even Marvel's "lynch a mutie, love a mutate" civilians think kingpin Felicia is stupid
Pay attention, editorial

>>87885625
I just prefer them to be parasites through and through, brings elements of Alien into his theme, makes a much better villain than the "a good guy turned bad" buckshot.

>>87885645
So it was her. And I keep noggin my joggin' who is supermodel criminal.
And I decided it's Madam Masque, someone who doesn't dress like supermodels.

>>87885466
Why does this guy's tweets keep showing up on /co/

He has to be the one posting them

>>87885128
>full on edgelord
>making the symbiote suffer
no sir, I don't like it.

>>87885570
Because people like characters? Cheap mantle swapping isn't making "new characters" and Marvel should fucking stop it, they can't do it like DC can, they fucking stink at it

>>87885525
>having literally zero standards of any kind

Holy shit. I cannot even imagine being this much of a faggot.

>>87885746
>comic books
>standards

lol

>>87885593
>he's an amputee
Yeah, and his "amputation" is soooooo debilitating, right?

>>87885128
Was it rape, /co/?

>>87885625
Just kill yourself already. Go read the original 90s Planet of the Symbiotes story first, so you can understand how terrible your opinion is before you enter the endless nothingness of death you so rightfully deserve.

>>87885817
>comic book fans

>>87884597
Pity that Sandoval is being wasted on this garbage.

>>87885862
He's garbage so it doesn't matter too much.

>>87885862
>thinking Sandoval is good

How do you read comics when you're blind?

>>87885128
I like the twist of having the prior narration boxes be for the symbiote and not new dude. I also like the concept of an asshole taking advantage of dindu nuffin Venom. But goddamn he overpowered Venom way too fucking easily. I get that something's obviously wrong with the symbiote so it's weak but that was one-sided. I also don't like the voice the author is giving Venom.

Overall I'll keep reading this book but I'm wary, the writing is iffy and Sandoval's art, while I loved it on New Avengers does not fit the tone. And Marvel, STOP WITHHOLDING PLOT INFO JUST TO DRIVE SALES. They do this shit all the time nowadays.

>>87885542
Symbiote looks fucked up and weak throughout the book, something happened to it.

>>87885888
>>87885903
What is bad about him aside from the fact that he doesn't attempt realism? "He's bad, you're blind" is not a fucking criticism.

>>87885817
why so corrupted,Klyntar? Planet of the Symbiotes can live along with Klyntar theme.

>>87885968
He has literally no concept of anatomy what so ever. He only knows how to draw one face. His page layouts are often overly busy and confusing. And so on...

>>87885968
Looks like a Mexican trying to emulate anime badly with laughably bad proportions and outdated design elements (hair, eyes)

He's fucking Ramos tier.

>>87886004
>being this much of a Bendis shill

>>87885817
>Planet of the Symbiotes
>good
kill yourself

>>87885570
There's a difference between rehashing shit with the same characters, the role of a hero or villain being passed to a different person, and some random person taking up the role of an abandoned hero or villain name.

This new "Venom" series is the case of the third.

>>87885963
Yeah, its not like the symbiote has ever just existed without a host before. Its not like it spent months, without a host, just chilling in a church. Its not like it walked away from nearly dying by bells in said church without any problem.

>>87886044
The story itself was shit. But the origin they gave for the Venom symbiote was great.

>>87886007
>He has literally no concept of anatomy what so ever

Well that's just wrong.

>He only knows how to draw one face

As if that isn't a problem with most Big Two artists? Gimme a break. He's expressive, and that's what counts for me.

>His page layouts are often overly busy and confusing. And so on...

Maybe if you have ADD and can't focus on something for more than two seconds? I have never had a problem with this.

>>87886011
What the fuck is anime about his art aside from the goofy hair? That's a noncriticism if I ever heard it.

I like the guy, his action is expressive and dynamic, his inks are good, and he always gets good colorists. You don't have to like his style, I'm not singing his praises as objectively the best artists ever... But that doesn't make him a shit artist.

And Ramos literally just can't draw right. If you think they're similar you're a pleb who needs to take some art classes.

>>87886132
>He's expressive
That's some hilarious justification for "utter shit".

>>87884597
Why does Venom have a giant horse cock here.

>>87886132
>What the fuck is anime about his art aside from the goofy hair?

What ISN'T anime about it?

>>87886158
Because Sandoval drew it.

>Marvel publishes a spiritual successor to Daniel Way's Venom
Why?

First half: Nothing special, but maybe there's still hope.
Second half: OW THE EDGE.

Thanks for saving anyone here from wasting money on this, OP. Fuck Costa for doing this to Venom, and fuck Marvel for letting him.

>>87886155
Yeah, great riposte, you sure fucking showed me.

>>87886179
Literally everything? Have you ever opened a manga in your life?

>>87886179
>It's anime man!
>What's anime about it?
>What isn't?

Some good explanations there.

>>87885786
Yeah how can you fap properly without two fingers

>>87886337
Its not even like he lost two useful fingers.

>>87885178
>This is a love letter to Venom fans everywhere.

Then why shit on everything Venom fans enjoy?

>>87886132
I'll give you that art is subjective but i
He's definitely on the lower tier of artists talent wise, many of his character look very similar, there are absolutely anime influences and saying "he isn't trying to be realistic" isn't a good excuse for drawing proportions poorly.

Really the anime shit is what gets me, adds an extra layer of cringe.

>>87886458
A positive thing to say about Sandoval is that at least he doesn't draw Squirrel Girl ugly.

>>87885178
>from the writer of the hits scarlet spiders and web warriors

Oh boy

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>>87886458
>Really the anime shit is what gets me, adds an extra layer of cringe.

And the fact that he draws EVERY male as some roided out freak.

Just look at pic related. 'Cause Wiccan, of all characters, is specifically known for being some ripped brute, right?

>no explanation as to why Venom isn't with Flash anymore
>no mention of what even happened to Flash and Andi
>edgelord literally who host
>another writer who doesn't know a single actual thing about symbiotes

Why did I have hope for this?

>>87886495
see: >>87886513

You're objectively wrong.

>>87886533
That's pretty cute, anon.
Henderson's SG has never been cute.

>>87886440
More like a giant middle finger to Venom fans everywhere.

>>87886608
>That's pretty cute, anon.

A-are you you blind anon? You should probably see an optometrist as soon as possible.

When will Marvel realize that not explaining shit just turns people away? I don't want to keep reading to find out why things are the way they are here, I want to drop the book because I have no idea what the fuck is going on.

>>87886533
>even fucking implying that is somehow worse than the Thunderbolts cover Henderson did

>>87884985
Just remember, Mike Costa took a slam dunk concept like "Exiles but with Spider-Man characters" and somehow made it boring shit. His Spider-Verse mini was fairly dull and killed Ben for no reason too just because.

He's an awful writer.

>>87884650
>It's like taking a candy from a baby which is fine by me

One page and I already hate this shit.

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If this DOES end up with Venom going evil again, the symbiote had better start off by making this guy haemorrhage his own guts out just out of anger for trying to control it.

This guy is cartoonish levels of edge, to the point where I suspect it's deliberate.

>>87886640
Its not worse than Henderson's cover. But its also not good. Its not transitive.

Hate all the people who begged for anything other than Flash Venom now. Flash Venom was actually good development for both of thrm, while this is shit.

>>87886644
>and killed Ben for no reason too just because.
That was probably Slott, to be fair. Costa was working in a Slott helmed event.

>>87886644
I've seen anon say that Web Warriors' focus was on Spider-Gwen and Spider-Ham, correct? Was the story dumb or it'd be better if those two were removed and replaced by two more Spiders?

>>87885076
Fucking mutants I swear

>>87886627
She's supposed to be cute in a goofy way. That was Ditko's intent.

>>87886750
>She's supposed to be cute in a goofy way

Then Sandoval failed. Miserably. She is neither cute. Nor goofy looking.

She looks like hideous psychopath in >>87886513

It's all a ruse lads
They're making it seem this nigga is the new king of edge, next issue venom will. Kill him and flash will be back.

>>87885683
Maggia Princess was a mistake

>>87886809

Yeah, right.

Flash is a FUCKING WHITE MALE, remember? We can't have them in Marvel anymore unless they're villains.

>>87885178
>web warriors a cult hit

That book was routinely shat on for it's Spider-Gwen shilling.

>>87885128
Hooe this shit doesn't sell.

The space stuff was so shit, I actually want to see where they're going with Ow The Venom.

>>87886902
The only thing that sells this book was the Brock Venom covers and the promise of Eddie Brock, which shockingly aren't in the book.

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>>87886809
No, this faggot is staying around for at least through #4 (he's on the cover).

Also, pic related is a teaser from #2, posted on Twitter.

I sure hope that the symbiote just fucking kills this guy after the first few issues and finds a new host.

Why can't we have a chick host be a lead? Zeb Wells was going to do it with Carnage in the Family Fued story, but chickened out and gave the Carnage symbiote back to Cletus right away.

>>87886884

That's why I wasn't a fan. It was meant to be "look at all these obscure/forgotten Spiders teaming up to take on multiversal threats" and quickly turned into "Spider Gwen and Friends."

Fuck, one of the big selling points what they Mayday was back in some form and she spent half the series out of commission.

>>87886985
probably worried a chick host would come off as uncomfortably sexual or something

>>87886985
>red hair
>red suit
>fire powers
It's kid from here, right? >>87885076
Because I have no idea who else could it be.

>>87887015
Yes.

And apparently the symbiote is no longer weakened by fire, I guess.

>>87887025
Of course. And sonics are just pleasant music to it now. Lets go full retard.

>>87884769
he had to either ask shadow to get up or mac climbed over the table to get out

>>87887032
Right now Carnage is immune to sonics because of Chthon magic.

>>87887055
We got a reason for that.

Venom just ignoring fire is just 'I don't read comics but I can write them'

>>87887055
...and that has what to do with Venom?

Oh right, literally nothing.

>>87886714
The story itself was weak, but Costa's favouritism towards those two certainly didn't help.

Seriously, what is it about the symbiote characters that makes it so hard for writers to actually be good with them? I swear every new writer has a new interpretation of what they are and what they can and can't do.

>>87887089
That's an out of context panel. There probably won't be a reason, but there could be.

>>87885128
have fun getting raped, venom

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>>87887089
>Venom just ignoring fire is just 'I don't read comics but I can write them'

Seriously, all it takes is a frickin' lighter to defeat him.

>>87887205
THERE IS NO GOD HERE, SLIMEY

>>87885212
OG Venom was kind of a lunkheaded doofy anti-hero though. This guy's just Edgelord McDakness and he fucking sucks.

>>87885943
>And Marvel, STOP WITHHOLDING PLOT INFO JUST TO DRIVE SALES. They do this shit all the time nowadays.
I do like that there was a mystery as to who the new host would be and it turns out to be... Some Guy.

I guess them withholding who it was should've been an indicator it was nothing at all because if it was somebody of even faint notoriety they would've mentioned it. If Happy Hogan was Venom, there would've been a giant paid for EW article about "HAPPY HOGAN IS VENOM IN MARVEL'S VENOM #1".

>>87885719
He's one of the comic shop owners Bleeding Cool uses and seems to be pretty on point anyway with his criticisms of Marvel's business/selling practices and poor creative direction.

>>87887220
this was written by Mackie, wasn't it

>>87885070
>Venom fan
>in the present tense
How? I was a venom fan too but then I wasn't 13 anymore.

>>87887506
Agent Venom created a lot of new fans, before Bendis derailed it with klyntar junk.

>>87887476
Either Mackie or Byrne, I don't remember. Its from vol 2 of ASM.

>>87887506
>>87887576
Herpderp

Venom (Brock) has always been popular and always will be, eat shit and cry moar moralfags

Punisher is more popular than Superman 2 and so is Wolverine ;^)

Fuck you guys, I liked this. Venom is actually scary again. I want to see how this goes.

So the guy from Hatred got Venom?

>>87888135
>I liked this
So you're not an actual Venom fan?

>Venom is actually scary again
Literally what was "scary" about this? Oh right, fucking nothing.

The scary thing is that people like you, with utter shit taste, exist and will actually buy this.

>>87888135
>Venom is actually scary again

This reads like a parody of grimdark comics. Except, its not a parody. THAT is scary. Nothing in the actual plot or characterizations is actually scary.

>>87888197
How pathetic your life must be.

>>87887025
>symbiote screaming in pain
>edgelord's like "fuck that, you stay with me till I kill this fucker"

>>87888135
Costa, is that you?

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>>87885128

>>87885174
Don't remind me

Jackie deserved better then the ending he got

>>87888101
>Venom (Brock) has always been popular and always will be, eat shit and cry moar moralfags

Sarcasm aside, this is true though.

>>87885128
So...Venom just grow his lost fingers back? Jeeeez, why didnt it do it, when it was attached to Flash.

>>87888562

I guess whole legs are harder than two small digits.

Or it was some weird mental block thing, like it didn't regrow Flash's legs (like the Carnage symbiote regrew Cletus's) because it was afraid that Flash would, I don't know, no longer need it as much with them back.

>>87888562
>Venom just grow his lost fingers back?

Holy shit, you're right. I didn't even notice that.

>>87885178
>This is the Venom you know and love, but a new host-

When will they fucking realize it can't be "the venom you know and love" when it's a new host? They act as if VENOM is just the symbiote, which is how they treat it anymore....back in the day, it was simply "the symbiote", the entire "Venom" persona was the direct result of it bonding with Brock and taking in his anger and hatred, it wasn't always just "oh i'm Venom", Brock created "Venom"

And I'm not saying people can't be fans of other hosts or anything, I just really hate the idea that "Venom" is just the symbiote and anybody who wears it is just the new "Venom", Spider-Man never called himself "Venom" when he wore it and likely wouldn't if he ever did, cut the malarky...it's like the writers themselves are casuals

>>87888562

It could, judging by how he had legs when suited up. Flash just didn't accept them when he wasn't Venom-ing because one, suddenly having legs again would arouse a lot of suspicion and two, he was going through rough sorts in his early days and rejected even prosthetics.

Later on he used either the legs Venom gave him or prosthetics though.

>>87888538
I wasn't being sarcastic about that bit. Venom has always had a big fanbase, and it's always made his detractors hate him even more in some weird jealousy.

>>87888672
>>87888642
>>87888629

Let´s be honest. Artist just did some mistakes. Like the art isnt worse enough. Hate that Anime-Style.

>>87888654
>it's like the writers themselves are casuals
Just read through this issue. Costa absolutely is. You can see it right on the recap page.

>>87888762
>Like the art isnt worse enough
Yeah, this art is pure shit.

>Hate that Anime-Style.
kek

"b-b-b-but its not anime style!" - >>87886132

if you hate this guy's art but like todd mcfarlane's you should seriously consider suicide

>>87888792
>plebs don't know the difference between anime and manga

sasuga, baka

>>87888831
>liking Todd McFarlane's art

Can you have worse taste?

>>87888858
>sasuga, baka
Back to /a/, weeb.

>>87888831
While I hated this issue, I actually didn't mind the art aside from the new guy's fucking anime Final Fantasy hair bangs, but it is very 90s/early 00s in general and lots of /co/ hates anything 90s/early 00s

>>87886337
By using the other hand

>>87888881
yeah you could be a venom fan lol

>>87888907
>implying I keep company with those wretches

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>>87888881
McFarlane drew the best Spidey, f off m8

>>87888944
>yeah you could be a venom fan lol

Why did you come to this thread, if you're not a fan?

What's like to loathe yourself so much? That must be a pretty rough life.

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Could've been worse. Could've been a female.

>>87888959
Said like a true casual.

>>87887055
He's been immune to those for a very long time

>>87888987
Said like a true homosexual.

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>>87888959
>this nigger

>>87886513
Holy shit that girl's waist is fucking disgusting

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>>87888911
See, I didn't even register them as "anime bangs." I figured his hair is just supposed to look dirty and oily and slicked back but a few strands are still kind of springing forward. As a guy who's had dirty long hair before I can tell you that this is something that happens.

Regardless, it's a far fuckin cry from Final Fantasy hair.

>>87886132
definitely picked up some anime vibes here too hoss.

>>87889070
>anime vibes

What does this even mean?

>>87884597
wasn't the Venom symbiote good now?

>>87889111
>What does this even mean?

How fucking dense are you? It means it looks like the artwork is influenced from anime styles.

>>87889147
Such as?

>>87889137
It was never really "evil" to begin with.

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>>87889059
I know what they were going for, but in some panels it just strikes me as very....anime looking because of the way they draw hair as big chunks that look more like how a highschool goth might gel parts of their hair rather than just some loose hairs

They should have given the symbiote to a pervert who just wants to have sex with it all day.

Like me.

>>87885128
Well that was just awful. This guy is so one-dimensional that you just know he only exists to have an evil Venom. Really hoping that this series gets canceled fast

>>87889160
Fucking look at it. Are you blind?

Oh man this just... leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.

I think I'm gonna keep picking it up to see where it goes, and what happens with Flash, but I'm not hopeful. The main character is awful and not likable at all, but I guess that's the point.

Poor Venom.

>>87885351
It makes with some things but when it involves characters like Venom there isnt much excuse. I wouldnt know half the things Venom is capable of but Id damn sure know what the fuck Im dealing with when I saw that spider design on black.

>>87889324
Show your work, anon. What anime have you watched that this evokes to you?

Isn't this guy to skinny to be an ex-military of any kind?
I'm not saying all soldiers are like Arnold Schwarzenegger, but he really comes off as too wimpy to not die on the average Army Rangers exercise.

>>87889349
see: >>87889214

>>87889349
Not him, but he kind of looks like Okabe from Steins;Gate.
Okabe would still be a better Venom than this guy

>>87889303
>tfw I was hyped for this
I love Agent Venom, but I felt like Venom as a villain again could be pretty cool.
I didn't even pay for this and I want my money back.

>>87889394
So the hair reminds you of Final Fantasy, a video game. What else?

>>87889410
I understand what you're saying. What I don't understand is how this very western art reminds people of Japanese cartoons outside of the hair thing.

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>>87889214
>>87889410
Edgy Zack

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>they replaced Flash with some edgy fucker because "hey, the kids like that Grim Reaper guy with the shotguns, right?"

I hate comic books. I hate Marvel.

>>87889465
>What I don't understand is how this very western art reminds people of Japanese cartoons outside of the hair thing.

Some serious aspergers right here.

>>87885593
It really shows how lazy the writing is. He's a bad cocktail of all three and still ends up with not even half the character of one of them. The only justice that can come from this series is if all 3 just decided to team up and kick this guy's ass

>>87889506
And femdom by Mania, pls.

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Pretty solid issue 1, thanks for the storytime OP, I really like how they make Lee very unlikeable from tbe get go, you can tell that you are not supposed to root for this man, and the fact that he's making Venom, a long time fan favorite suffer so, really drives home the heel factor. I also enjoy how they make you feel sorry for Venom, the first thing it tries to tell Lee is that they can be heroes and do good, it wants to be better, but it's too weak to fight off this shitty host and get onto someone worth while.

I eagerly await for Venom to bide it's time and drop Lee out of the sky mid Web swing and look for another host. Also the art makes me think of AIMvengers so I'm digging that. Can't wait for issue 2

>>87889489
>my opinion is poorly informed so I'll just substitute ad hominem in place of an argument

>>87889546
>poorly informed
You have yet to explain any counter arguments. You're stance is basically:

>nu-uh!

>>87889536
Mike Costa, is that you?

>>87889606
That's not how burden of proof works. It doesn't look like anime to me aside from the hair, which I'll give you, I can see why people think that. You profess to see a much clearer and more obvious connection yet you refrain from offering any further support.

Never mind the fact that you keep comparing this western comic book not to eastern comics, but fucking cartoons. Cartoons, in which animation almost invariably requires simplification.

So what is it about this art that is so anime to you that I must blind not to see it? Help this blind man see.

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>>87889636
No, if I worked for Marvel and was being allowed to write a Venom ongoing it'd be very very diffrent and I'd be pushing for an All New Midnight Sons book. Naw, I'm just a symbiotefag from the Sunday threads.

Wow both the art and story are shit. Hopefully it's canceled or a change of artist/writer happens quick.

>>87889701
>I'm a pedantic cunt: the post

>>87889702
Literally no one except Mike Costa could be so shitty as to enjoy this issue.

>>87889729
>more ad hominem

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>>87889748
Are you sure about that? I'm not really affected by 'Not Muh' and enjoy a heel arc from time to time, it's not like Venom pulled a Black Cat and said "Nope, I'm evil now", we see the symbiote trying to stop Lee from using it to kill, but we know that for whatever reason it's too weak to do anything about it. We also know that this relationship can't last, so I'm waitting to see Lee eat his shit and get killed off.

It's a bummer that most /co/mrads are screaming not Muh Venom at issue 1, but rather than join in on the /co/llective, I've decided to wait things out and see how it develops. Hell, /co/ was screaming not Muh Venom during the first issue of Agent Venom and that run turned out great, even if not everyone shares that opinion.

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I have very mixed feelings about it, mostly negative.

First off, I'm still not happy Flash doesn't have the symbiote anymore, but it's really annoying I have to wait to find out how he even lost it in the first place. Also, it really doesn't help that the intro to the book starts off with a statement that's just plain wrong. The symbiote never made Peter angrier and more aggressive. That's something the 90's cartoon introduced. I really love that they're keeping the symbiote as its own character still though. And that it still wants to be a good hero like it was with Flash. That's why it was really sad to see it paired up to such a bad guy. The main character is not likable at all, but I guess that's the point. It irks me that he's able to overpower Venom so easily, but there's obviously something wrong with the symbiote, so I can deal with that. The premise of the host being the bad one in the relationship is an interesting one, so I'm willing to stick with this for a bit, especially since they said Flash plays an important role in the story. It's not gonna be easy with such a douche of a host though. Seeing Venom being treated so poorly is only gonna be worth it if there's some pay off and we see Lee Price getting what he deserves. We'll see where this goes, but I'm not hopeful, especially with how much they seem to be pushing the "VENOM IS THE BAD GUY AGAIN" angle.

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i miss the hunger and all those issues

>>87889894
Mah mugga, I was thinking the exact same thing about Agent Venom. There were a lot of people that were seriously pissed about it when it was happening. Even now you still get some dissenters.

>>87889894
Read this thread, anon. No one other than you and like 1 other post enjoyed it. It's hated for good reason, too.

>>87889894

Maybe if they actually explained why Venom is in such a weakened state and why the fuck Flash abandoned it in the first place with all their "bonding"

We just need explanations, but we all know the explanation is gonna be some half-assed reason because Slott is running out of Spider-Man villains to reuse at this point.

>>87889536
Please tell me you were not saying that unironically

>>87889894
Also re the "NOT MUH" thing, this is at least an instance where a new character is being used rather than rewriting an old one.

>>87889908
Flash drugged the symbiote and used it as a personal slave, no matter how they turned that around later can change that or how hard they try to make the symbiote be attached to Flash (btw, having the symbiote talk has always been shit and ruins the entire mystique of it, always hated when they did this)

>>87889925
Stuff like this is why Eddie was the best host, at their best it was like two outcasts who didn't have a thing in the world but one another, and this is something Eddie haters just can't understand

>>87889908
>The premise of the host being the bad one in the relationship is an interesting one

Its been done before, though. Quite a few times.

Hell, Eddie Brock and Cletus Kasady both taught their symbiotes to act that way. THEY are the reason the Venom and Carnage symbiote were "evil".

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>>87889933
If you're around /co/ long enough to start to see that most of the posters on the board don't actually like anything. In the past few years we have gone from talking about comics and cartoons that we enjoy, to talking about everything in comocs and cartoons that we hate. It doesn't really bother me that the majority of the people in the thread dislike the issue, they really don't dictate what I can and cannot enjoy.
>>87889938
While that is very annoying and we just got over a similar bit with Cyclops being dead and evil, I'm hoping that the explanation here isn't dragged out over a year.
>>87889955
Nope, sorry, I guess I'm some kind of crazy person.

>>87889894
>It's a bummer that most /co/mrads are screaming not Muh Venom at issue 1

Its not a "not muh" complaint, though. Read the thread. People are pissed that the host is a 1 dimensional edgelord, not that he's different.

>>87890073
Eddie clearly wasn't the evil one in his situation. The symbiote learned anger from Peter's rejection. He did have hate from Spider-Man but he was planning to kill himself before the symbiote found him sensing his anger.

>>87890113
Why assume that he'll be a mainstay host? I read this issue and my first thought with Lee was "I cannot wait for this fucker to be killed off." Im pretty sure you're not supposed to like him.

>>87890171
Venom being a monster like this is why they honestly think Venom was popular.

>>87890147
>Eddie clearly wasn't the evil one in his situation.
He absolutely was. The symbiote didn't plan on killing Peter UNTIL it learned that from Eddie. Remember, the symbiote loves Peter. It even saved him from the bells after it was rejected.

>>87890073
>>87890147
Eddie and the symbiote influenced one another, they were both "broken" individuals when they bonded and became Venom

>>87890171
>Why assume that he'll be a mainstay host?
He's in at LEAST through the first 4 issues, as shown by teasers already.

>>87890246
Absolutely, but the symbiote didn't become vengeful and seek to murder people until it met Eddie. That's how he influenced the symbiote.

>>87890095

Correction: /co/ doesnt generally like most capeshit, DC Rebirth being an exception. And /co/ mostly doesnt like it (outside from Tumblr shills infesting this board) for good reasons.

Take non-superhero comic threads and you generally get more enthusiasm and fanboy behaviour.

>>87890298
How new are you Anon? This place has been capeshit central for years. The reason non-superhero comic threads get more enthusiasm is because there are maybe 10 people total (myself included) posting in them before they die.

>>87890351
At least non-cape threads last longer than Eurocomics.

>>87890281
To kill Spider-Man was the symbiote's reason for bonding to someone who had that much hate for Spider-Man like Eddie. Eddie would've just an hero had the symbiote not found him.

>>87889894
damn sauce?

>>87890231
True but Eddie was never "pure evil" anyway, his shtick even as a full villain was having a "warped sense of morality", but still having morality nonetheless...

I actually always kind of like the Spidey, Venom, and Carnage dynamic of the moral spectrum

>>87885055
>Did you not read comics in the early 90s?

Well you sure as fuck didn't.

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>>87890032
It's not like they didn't drug the symbiote for no reason. It had been a monster for awhile, especially after being on Gargan for so long. And you say "they turned that around later", but the drugs wore off in the second issue, and the symbiote still comes back to Flash, saying it will never abandon him. And if Flash started just not using the drugs, the military would've cut him off of the symbiote entirely, and neither of them wanted that. It turned into a good relationship for them both, whether you'll admit it or not.

And it's just my opinion that I've always liked the symbiote being its own character and having its own voice. It's a very important part of Venom for me. It's the whole point of symbiosis.
>>87890073
Eh, Eddie and Venom both had a hatred for Spider-man at that point, and Carnage never knew anything but Cletus from the moment of birth, so it never even had a chance to be good.

>>87885719
>P-Pay no attention to Marvel's mistakes, that guy is probably posting his own tweets

Typical damage control.

>>87885570
>B-BUT MUH "NEW" THING

New things can be terrible ideas too, anon.

>>87890251
But that's no reason to assume that he'll remain the host by like issue 6 or 7 (when they start filling up the Volume 2 tradeback). When I first read the description of this Venom series I got the impression that Venom would be switching hosts throughout the series, and I have yet to see anything that makes me think otherwise.
>>87890226
Well, back in the day Monster Films like Aliens and Predator were popular as fuck, and Venom and the symbiotes kind of cashed in on that hype. So I can't really fault them for thinking that way I guess.
>>87890298
/co/ has been slowly turning on Rebirth for a while now, it's not full blown hate, but they aren't stroking off each title like it's pure gold.
>>87890402
Sorry, can't help you anon, it's just a fan drawing as far as I know.

>>87890385
>To kill Spider-Man was the symbiote's reason for bonding to someone who had that much hate for Spider-Man like Eddie.

Then explain the last few pages of Web of Spider-Man #1. Or when the symbiote tried to leave Brock when it through Peter wanted it back on the beach (resulting in Eddie and the symbiote passing out because they could not be separated).

You're wrong. It bonded to Eddie because he was as angry as it was and it sensed that. It was a mutual feeling. But it didn't actively plan to kill Peter until Eddie suggested it.

If it did, it would have attempted to do so much, much sooner. Remember, it was sitting around in the church for months. And before that, between when it broke out of the Baxter Building and Web Of #1, it had no qualms about using hosts for its own gain.

>>87890385
>Eddie would've just an hero had the symbiote not found him.

The hell are you talking about? Eddie would have been dead. He went to the church to commit suicide (but not before praying for forgiveness for his planned sin), numbnuts.

>>87890522
>being this new
Maybe you should an hero anon...

I don't get it. I thought Bendis retconned the symbiotes to actually be good guys and that because the reason Venom was bad was because it was retarded but they un-retarded him when they brought him back to his homeplanet?

>>87890095
Jerm, I'm a big symbiote fan too (hell, I started the symbiote sunday threads), but I'm just not hopeful for this book at all. Given marvel's current track record, I don't see why this should turn out good, since only a few of their ongoings are any good at the moment.

Especially with the writer. I absolutely loved Scarlet Spiders, and while I kinda liked Web warriors, it was absolutely wasted potential. Like, almost every single issue was about the stupid Electros, and Spider-Gwen was the main character. How do you mess up such a fun concept? All the tie ins for Spider-verse were great!

I'm not optimistic about this series at all, and I hope it proves me wrong.

I'll still be buying it though because I hate myself.

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>>87890665
Yes. What's the problem? Nothing you mentioned has anything to do with this issue.

>>87890699
yeah I just skimmed through it, ignore my previous post.

>>87890351

>This place has been capeshit central for years.

Point was /co/ generally talks about capeshit like jaded ex-fans who hate everything new put out and just hope it would be as good as it used to be. Superhero shit is where most hate is directed at.

And with comics outside that, you generally dont get that attitude. Start a thread about french comics and you get recommends, little mini-storytimes for promotion and maybe some french lewd art thrown in the mix. Do the same with webcomic threads and people here generally focus on promoting the few actually good webcomics out there instead of confirming how most of them are shit.

>>87885178
Pretty sure this series is just a vehicle for Venom to be evil again and back with Eddie by the end in time for movie synergy.

The Symbiote is getting Reeked a la Game of Thrones, this edgelord is going to mindbreak it until it's nothing but a mindless killer again to undo all of Bendis's Klyntar crap without outright retconning it. I'm sure the book will end with this guy getting more than he bargained for and devoured by the new edgy symbiote.

Honestly I think the ride will be worth it to undo Bendis shit.

>>87885048
What the fuck

>>87890665
Bendis aside, I'm actually okay with the symbiotes not being another cartoonishly evil alien race. There are enough of those running around the MU as is.

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>>87890788
> this edgelord is going to mindbreak it until it's nothing but a mindless killer again

>>87890687
Consider Carnage, there was no fucking way that Carnage, Marvel's most one dimensional villain, could have carried a comic past more than a four issue mini. But lo and behold, we're pushing towards 17 issues of Carnage, and that comic has been non stop fucking amazing. Anything can happen and that gives me hope for this new Venom series. Scarlet Spiders was literally the only thing from Spider Verse that was worth a damn, and Web Warriors just suffered from shit artists and pushing Spider-Gwen. I'm willing to give Venom a chance because my assumptions about comics at issue 1 have been wrong before, so I've been approaching them with an open mind.
>>87890824
The Klyntar thing never bothered me, it's how Bendis went about it that bothered me. It's a decent idea that he wrote like utter garbage.

>>87884650
White guy. Venom's evil again, so it has to be a white guy.

Fucking called it.

I don't like that we lost Agent Venom the very moment he came back, but I have to admit this is an interesting enough premise. That said, I don't want it lasting long, 6 issues would be my limit.

Venon looks terribly weak, enough to be dominated by a human without having to be sedated. I think it works as long as there's a good explanation (probably this thing about Flash saving the world and let both of them separated and terribly injured, kinda like when Carnage-Man went full FREE BIRD) but I'll only accept it if at some point Venom recover enough and gets back at him HARD.

>>87890755
It's because you get way more people for cape threads than you would for Euro threads. Those threads may be nice and helpful, but they'll die in less than an hour because 95% of people here who actually read comics, are here for capes and as such it leads to way more shitposting on that front.

>>87890975
He looks more Italiano than anything. Seriously though, it's like he's stepping out of The Darkness. We gonna get some little voidling pieces of the symbiote next?

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My thoughts exactly Venom.

>>87891043
>B-but that's the wrong hole!

>>87890824
Symbiotes shouldn't be "good" or "evil", they should be mute alien creatures who bond to others physically and mentally in order to mutually benefit one another whatever their goals may be

Making them "good guys" is stupid and ruins the mystique of it all that made the concept so cool from the start and turns it into more generic bullshit

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>>87890949
>Scarlet Spiders was literally the only thing from Spider Verse that was worth a damn

Nigger please. Edge of Spider-Verse and Spider-Verse Miniseries were the best parts.

>>87884597
Wow this was garbage. Marvel should just stick to tv and movies. Their comics are at an all time low.

>>87884858
Literally no reason given because fuck the fans.

>>87891123
>Edge of Spider-Verse
Only 2 issues were good in that, though.

>>87884858
Because I'm sure who ever's writing this comic will get a check every time someone else uses this guy.

I would have much preferred Andi become Venom with Flash as a mentor than Not Important edging it up.

Actually, I would have much preferred it be Agent Venom and Mania, but that's neither here nor there.

>>87891123
Sorry, I disagree, Edge of Spider Verse and the minis were just one shots of spider men getting killed and Spotto building his team, Scarlet Spiders on the other hand was an actual mini and not just a mash up of 11 page stories and it felt like it had an actual effect on the event itself.

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>>87885178
What would happen if Carnage met this new Venom, /co/?

>>87891286
He'd be really disappointed by how shitty the new Venom is.

>>87890949

I'm surprised too with Carnage, it's been pretty cool, and it would be 10/10 if they brought in some of Toxin's hero days into his personality.

>The Klyntar thing never bothered me, it's how Bendis went about it that bothered me. It's a decent idea that he wrote like utter garbage.

Personally, I don't mind the moralfag Klyntar thing, but I don't like how Bendis retconned everything prior to that as misinformation and lies.

I would be alright if, for example, the symbiotes were simply amoral blank slates in their natural state that are deeply molded by their hosts' emotions, but their symbiosis abilities come with an unexpected effect where a perfect symbiosis between a clean symbiote with a truly noble host allows the combination to be able to "align with the cosmos" and hear its voice, as some sort of higher symbiosis.

Such individuals would be hilariously rare, because a) symbiotes almost never leaving their home planet. b) Ideal hosts being rather rare, and c) by the point they get to a worthy host they're most likely already weighted down by the negative emotions of previous "not ideal" hosts.

That way you can have an arc of Flash and Venom slowly coming to terms with each other, getting past the sedation state, going through the codependency state (alcohol and violence respectively), and then after a healthy amount of character development by themselves, have them find the Agent of the Cosmos to help them clean Venom of all his rage and put them in true synch.

But avoid the Venom Space Knight costume

>>87891123

What the hell was Jessica doing in this event? Aren't her powers only related to Spider-Man's by chance?

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>>87891205
You and me both

>>87891373

They totally knew what people wanted when they made this page, didn't they.

Actually I feel like the whole issue is like a huge fuck you to everything before it since Venom went to space.

This book is fucking trash. I want nu Venom to die on the way to his home planet and Flash to get the suit again.

>>87891350
Ya, she has no real connections to Peter at all, her powers just so happen to be related to spiders, and I guess that's enough for the inheritors. Anything resembling the spider totem must go!

>>87885746
>complains about having no standards
>in a venom thread

See, I thought that once a symbiote had bonded to a host for more than a certain amount of time, the bond was supposed to be permanent and would be fatal to both parties if they were separated?

Or was that another "detail" of symbiotes that was retconned and forgotten over time?

Part of me wants to read Scarlet Spiders again to see if it was actually good or if I was just so mad at Slott's shit that Costa's looked good in comparison. I've been putting it off because I'm worried that it will be the latter.

>>87891350
I think she got dragged into it because she was Anya's mentor at the time and didn't want to abandon her.

>>87891373
This issue made me wonder how things would've turned out if Robbie Thompson had gotten to skip the Agent of the Cosmos stuff and bring Flash back to Earth right away. Would the series have been better? Would it have lasted longer?

>>87885178
>Gerardo's doing some of the best Venom artwork
FUCK OFFFFFFFFFF

>>87891417

But she managed to go under Morlun's radar, weren't the inheritors able to sense totems?

>>87891417
And then Slott said that symbiotes didn't count.

>>87891403
Oh, absolutely. The page before, Andi says what we're all thinking with the "I liked your old look better" (Though the spaceknight costume did eventually warm up to me, Agent Venom still is way better), and even in the beginning Flash says "I never should have left"

This is what Thompson wanted to write the whole time, but Marvel wouldn't let him.

>>87887383
>I do like that there was a mystery as to who the new host would be and it turns out to be... Some Guy.

Remember how Eddie was introduced? Character no reader has ever seen before but Peter gave us an info dump about him like he was some old character that's been around forever.

>>87890688
I'd suck this guys dick for a Carnage and Shriek picture

Kaine would be a good host, what if this ties into CC and they buddy up?

Didn't Agent Venom get an appearance in the current Spider-Man cartoon?

I get the feeling he'll be staying for a while and this is just a quick money-grabbing scheme trying to appeal to Eddie Venom nostalgia (done very wrong, by the way)

>>87891313
He said the same thing about Flash too, the only Venom to Cletus is his "daddy" Eddie.

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>>87891482
He's done this at least (No Shriek though)

>>87891491

I think this might be more related with Miles (he really needs his own name, fucking hell), I remember a recent cover of him fighting Space Knight Venom.

>>87885817

I don't see how Planet of the Symbiotes's reveal that all symbiotes are inherently evil and exist solely to lethally parasitize and pillage and kill literally everything is better than Bendis's story, seeing as how it just makes them a gooey Broods instead of a Green Lantern rings.

>>87890351
Yeah, but the people that post in the non-superhero comic threads, while few in number, tend to actually give a fuck about the medium besides just an avenue to get their fix on their favorite characters from their childhood.

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>>87891207
>Spock building his team,

Wrong book. That was Amazing Spider-Man. Also had like two spider deaths. I think your misremembering it.

>>87891518
Venom literally never appeared in that issue.

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>>87891496
Agent Venom is gone. Ultimate Spider-Man was cancelled, Carnage sold thousands of more issues over Space Knight, and once they see how much Eddie nostalgia done poorly sells, there's no going back to Agent Venom.

>Eddiefags are responsible for this
Goddammit. Unlike most in this thread, I actually love the art and think it's a great fit for Venom, but wow am I not feeling this new host. I'll give it the obligatory 3 issues to see if he grows on me.

>>87885128
I like this, it's a twist on the normal dynamic where the symbiote is violent and corrupts the host

now the host is evil corrupting the symbiote which wants to do good

The symbiote developed to such a degree it was no longer corrupting the host to do bad/violent thigns now it's the one being corrupted by the host

The symbiote is at the mercy of it's host not the other way around, flash will try to rescue it, it's like a hostage

This book is starting off shitty. The symbiote seemed like a good guy still, which makes it pointless for it to leave Flash.

Also the Guardians look grew on me and they fucking tossed it aside.

>>87891491
It'd be cool for Venom to pair up with Kaine, especially seeing as he's a clone of Peter.

I think he's gonna be too busy with clone conspiracy crap at that time though.

though Venom #4 solicit does mention "another WEB-SLINGING, WALL-CRAWLING, SPIDER-SENSE-ATIONAL GUEST STAR!", but it's probably gonna be Peter or Miles.

>>87891373

This page was a fucking middle finger, wasn't it?

"You guys wanted Agent Venom and Mania back, didn't you? Well there you go. Now you'll take Edgy McSchoolShooter Venom or we put the character back in the closet for another five years!"

Or when this series fails because it's not what people want, Marvel editorial is going to throw up their hands in confusion, give Venom back to Brock, and continue to make a mess of symbiotes because no one knows how to write them.

>>87891572
You mean

>Garganfags did this

Eddie fans don't like this at all.

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>>87891606

>yfw it's Miguel

>>87891496
>Didn't Agent Venom get an appearance in the current Spider-Man cartoon?

The same cartoon that only airs on a non basic cable network, and also featured Cho as Iron Spider, Harry Osborn as Anti-Venom, and....nobody as Carnage, just a self sustaining symbiote created by fusing Anti-Venom and Venom by Hydra

Big fuckin deal, do you think anything that's on that show is guaranteed to stick? Most fans hated the show anyway

>>87891572
>Eddiefags are responsible for this
What? They bitched and moaned for the symbiote to go back to Eddie, not this shit.

And we know Flashfags either wanted him back on earth with Mania or being a Space Knight

I'll just blame Gargan fans, this reeks of revenge magic

>>87891621
>This page was a fucking middle finger, wasn't it?

I think it was more of a "I'm sorry" from the writer at the time.

>>87888654
>it's like the writers themselves are casuals

They get paid to write garbage, not read it.

>>87891633
>>87891651
>Garganfags
>existing
What universe are we in? Not even people who thought that Sinister Spider-Man was a cool mini thought Gargan was the best anything.

>>87891537
Yeah, that was a really good bit, wish they would have followed up in Web Warriors, but I still enjoyed Scarlet Spiders more. I forget, who showed up to recruit SP//Dr?

>tfw we never got to see the V.E.N.O.M of that world.