Mrs. Chiu is waifu. Ronnie enjoys his Husky Man frozen dinner

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>>87880803
>Vegetables, Ronnie. She said vegetables in English.

>>87880803
Both jokes are golden.

Alright this was a good one

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They got one country, but two languages?

What a bunch of jerks. There's like one Japanese

>>87880898
China has a bunch of dialects,the government seems to be trying to make everyone speak Mandarin, though.

>>87880836
>Ronnie grimaces, "I don't know what that is."
Just keep on kekkin'

>>87880803
This whole thing is great. Mr.Chu looks fucking scary

>>87880936
Dialects should be pretty much mutually intelligible, though.

What's the difference between Cantonese and Mandarin? Is it like Norwegian and Swedish, or like English and Scots?

>>87880975
I don't know, I'm not Chinese.

>>87880975
More the first then the second I think.

China is so fucking huge that it actually ended up with more then one language in it's borders. They are more similar in writing but even that has divergences.

>>87880975
>Dialects should be pretty much mutually intelligible, though.
Lel, no. A Bavarian and an East Frisian will have a pretty hard time understanding each other's dialect, despite them belonging to the same language.

>>87880803
>a secret my wife and daughter don't even know
>Agrias nodding while her mother ching chongs.

She totally knows and gives him hits about how to react.

>>87881005
Frisian isn't German

>>87880975

I haven't studied the languages, but I'll tell you they sound recognizably different being spoken, even though I can't understand a damn word being said.

>>87880975
Tell that to the Canadians and their "french"

>>87881050
>>87880999
I guess it would be different in China, because both depend on pronunciation, right?

Having a slight accent could potentially change entire meanings.

>>87880999
>They are more similar in writing
That's because they use those logographs that mean things, not actual sounds, right?

Even The Japanese can parse general meaning from those, and their language is not even distantly related to Chinese.

>>87880898
>They got one country, but two languages?
But they're bigger than a lot of the countries in Europe combined. That didn't stop Europe from making several different Latin variations.

>>87881072
That's because the French Canadians are descended from essentially hillbillies.

It's like calling Appalachian English.

>>87880898
America is Spanish and . . .

>>87880898
>They got one country, but two languages?

Well, people speak Spanish and English in the USA, right? And then there are a number of Bigfoot-languages...

>>87881211
Not for long

In before the comic.
>>87879264

>>87881230
kek

>>87881321
>>87879264
Magic?

>>87881719
That or Ronnie was streaming

>>87880975
Not sure how to put it, but consider the sounds of numbers in both dialects. If written out in a rough approximation of their pronounciation:

Mandarin: Yi, Are, San, Sul (think sulk but drop the k [not quite though]), Wu, Liu, Chi, Ba, Jiao, Sure

Cantonese: Yup, Yi, San, Sei, Im (think hmm with a sharp i sound to start), Loc (lock but no k sound), Tsup (catsup, no ca sound, slur t and s), Gow, Sup

That's one to ten in those dialects.

>>87881810
Forgot 8 in Cantonese. Ba. But I've heard a brief sharp t sound at the end sometimes.

>>87881810
So, do they subtitle TV shows for the opposite dialect?

Huh... didn't know Agrias was Chinese.

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>>87882792
Her mom looks better now with the Chi-Chi hairdo, at least.

>>87880975

Mandarin speaker here.

I don't know if this is entirely accurate, but I would compare spoken Mandarin and Cantonese to English and Spanish in terms of speaking.

To a foreigner that has no background in either English or Spanish, the two sounds similar. It's the same for Cantonese and Mandarin. But if one had any sense of experience in either, they can immediately pick the two apart.

It's the same for Cantonese and Mandarin, except what is said is completely different. A guy that only spoke Cantonese wouldn't be able to understand Mandarin and vice versa, but the written format is more or less the same.

It's more or less 2 completely different spoken languages with similar writing formats.

>>87882970
and on the issue of accents.

Accents in Mandarin vary, just like in English.

Think of it like American English, then going into Texan Accent, Boston Accent, Australian Accent, English Accent.

It's more or less all manageable with certain words being different, but used in a sentence most people can figure out what the other is saying.

My personal experience when I was in Beijing, China (my Mandarin Accent is Taiwan based), was finding out that the way they said "Trashcan" sounded very similar to how I would say "Pull" in the Taiwanese Accent. There were other words, but that one stood out to me cause I was trying to find a trashcan at the time and was asking around and people didn't know what I was asking for.

They thought I was asking, "Where is the hot can?" until I showed them the piece of trash I wanted to toss.


There are Mandarin accents though that go off the deep end of being unintelligible unless I try super hard to understand it.

Think of it as something like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le_uNGdpa4c

On that note, if you can read Mandarin, you can loosely SOMETIMES read SOME Japanese and Korean because the letterings are sometimes similar. But speaking wise they're completely different.

Think of it like Spanish and English where certain words are similar enough that you can guess at what it is.

>>87882744
Only for dramas and such. Which feels like the only thing actually watched in China.

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I once overheard a conversation between a mega-scotsman (I'm talkin he sounded like he was from the middle ages and going to slay the damn brits or something) and a jamacian guy on par with Scratch Perry (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkP7yZ9HYLU).

>mfw trying to get even a single word of it

>>87883500
Meant to quote >>87880975


Both of them were technically speaking english but it was all just mouth-noises to me.

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>The trick to a BYOTVDTT (Bring your own TV Dinner to Thanksgiving) is to cook it at the exact right moment so that you are eating along with the family. You want to hit the start button on the microwave immediately after the mother comments on her daughter being slightly overweight, but before the dog gets excited from all the commotion and pees in the middle of the living room.

Where were you when Aggy was confirmed for thicc?

>>87880803
This is the best that Whomp has been in a while. Possibly ever.

>>87883500
Scots are Brits.

I thought Agrias was hapa

>>87883625
You don't know what a heavy Scots accent is like, do you? Cunt.

>>87881810
I find it interesting that 3 is san in both and same as in japanese.

>>87880975
>Dialects should be pretty much mutually intelligible, though.
I can't understand a damned word that scottish people say

>>87883705
And also "sam" in Korean. Japanese and Korean both have two different number systems, one using the borrowed-from-Chinese sounds and one using the native words. They've diverged a lot over the years, but the word for the number 3 is one that's fairly close.

>>87883688
No he's being literal

Great Britain is made up of England, Scotland and Wales.

The United Kingdom also includes northern Ireland

If you need to differentiate between England and Scotland, call them that.

>>87883688
I grew up in Inverness so you tell me.

>>87881810
before cihina was a big country it was pretty much different smaller countries

>>87883778
IIRC most number systems basically start out with "One" "Two" and "More" until they start working out larger numbers. Chinese and it's fancy 'writing' might have hit early enough to solidly claim the 3 spot.

Or it's a holdover from a proto-East Asian language that diverged into all three.

>>87884003
It's more that China came up with hanzi first, and then Korean and Japanese, which didn't have their own writing systems, decided to write their languages using Chinese characters. Japanese eventually simplified things by taking parts of kanji and using them to make kana, while Korean decided to throw most of that out and had scholars write up an alphabet from scratch in the fifteenth century.

But in both cases, the kanji and hanja used in Japanese and Korean words often retained a flavor of what the character sounded like in Chinese (or how it sounded like in Chinese hundreds of years ago when it was imported). Not usually a straight-up match, but you can feel the similarities between Zhongguo, Jung'guk and Chuugoku for "中国".

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>>87881146
>But they're bigger than a lot of the countries in Europe combined.
Didn't stop anybody

>>87884411
Isn't calling them dialects of Castilian some sort of insult?

>>87884603
Why would it be?

>>87884603
Oh, wait, hold on, I was reading it wrong like a dink. I thought it was calling Catalan, Galician, etc. dialects of Castilian.

>>87884672
>>87884603
That being said, people from valencia will throw a shitfit if you claim they speak "catalan"

>>87881230
well yeah, by 2020 we can drop the ' and" since hispanics will be the majority entering the workforce

>>87885066
>English goes out of use in America in four years
I find this difficult to believe.

>>87880898
Japan has more than one dialect.

>>87881211
"American"

>>87880975

The difference between a dialect and a language is often one of politics. China as a nation wants to deemphasize the differences between their north and south and so they call them dialects. Sweden and Norway have long political divides and so they want to emphasize their distinctions, thus they call them languages.

I believe that Mandarin and Cantonese are largely mutually unintelligible. But, they do have the same written form, basically, which is a long tradition in China. Everyone might pronounce the written form diffently, but they can all basically read it.

>>87885251

Hispanic and Spanish speakers are not exactly the same either. Apparently by the third generation, like 99% of Mexican Americans don't speak Spanish, only English.

That could change of course, but who knows.

>>87882824
>getting paid to sit for hours on end
>probably gets free food too

Where can I apply?

>>87885631
On the website!

You can be a winner!

>>87885631
Are you a jolly rotund fellow like Ronnie, though?

>>87880999

Nice trips, but that's stupid. Russia has one language AND there's actually very little accent differences.

>>87880975
You know how latin got split up into german, french, spanish and tealand? The core is the same but they're still wildly different languages.

Chinese language is the same way. They're just pushing for Mandarin to be the official language the same way we push for English.

>>87880898
they share a written language

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>>87886590
There are 25 recognized State languages in Russia besides Russian.

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>>87886715
>You know how latin got split up into german, french, spanish and tealand?

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>>87886715
>You know how latin got split up into german, french, spanish and tealand?
Are you a fucking retard?

>>87880803
Do you agree with this question: Ronnie is literally the only tolerable webcomic writer in history

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>>87886715
that is quite literally the stupidest thing i have read this week.

>>87886715
that's not even close to being right

Mrs.Chiu a cute.

>>87881040

Yes, theres research on how it's more similar to english and nederlandse phonetically

>>87886715
Yes, anon, that began during the Latin Invasion of Rome in 1499.

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>>87880898
>There's like one Japanese

>>87880898
the USA´s 2nd most spoken language used to be German.

The Netherlands has barely got 17 million citizens and they speak frisian, dutch, flemish and english.

>>87886715
Latin spawned French, Spanish, Italian and Portuguese. English is Anglo-Saxon. German is fucking Germanic.

>>87886590
Russia doesn't have nearly as many people

>>87890559
English is a Germanic language but it has bits and bobs from a bunch of other languages, including Latin

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>>87880975
>Dialects should be pretty much mutually intelligible, though.
No. For example some french dialects are nothing alike because they had different influence.

>>87880898
Oh, it's a LOT more than two. But only 3 of them really matter. Don't forget the Taiwanese.

>>87885284
Japan doesn't need to have japanese subtitles in it's TV shows.

>>87886762
That's been diverging, because the PRC communists wanted complete control over the language, and changed it so that new student's couldn't easily read pre-cultural revolution texts, and things straight from Taiwan.

>>87885066
American Immigrants nearly always lose their native languages over generations.

It might be a bit different for Spanish since the Country placates them more, but probably not

>>87887892
Does the McNinja guy still count as a webcomic writer?

I'd also throw in Olgaf.

>>87887892
Not true. Clevinger and Hastings are both perfectly tolerable. Though I'm not sure if either really count as webcomic writers now that Dr. McNinja is ending with Hastings making the jump to writing for Marvel full time and with Clevinger having phased out of the webcomic came after 8-bit theater ended.

>>87880898
>two languages
>only two
Haha oh anon. I don't think you understand quite how much of a clusterfuck China is.

>>87891437
I meant two Chineses that are apparently two different languages

>>87891310
Most first gen Americans will speak both languages fluently but most second gen will speak primarily English.

>>87891497

I mean, we can even go further than that depending on what you mean by "Chinese." Off the top of my head I can think of Mndarin, Cantonese, Jin, Wu. There are more. All are differing levels of intelligible to one another, and all can easily claim to be Chinese.

>>87891522
>placates them more, but probably not
And most third gens will speak none at all, virtually.

It's the same with German, there aren't less German descendants, but the Language was not preserved

>>87880898
>two languages
Try like 7

>>87891568
German in general died out alot faster than normal since WWII happened and noone was sane enough to run around speaking the language of the enemy. It would probably still be spoken today if it wasn't for that.

>>87891710
You'll note that no one really speaks Italian or Chinese, either, despite a big wave of immigrants from those countries

>>87880898
>There's like one Japanese
Okinawa and Ainu say hi.

>>87891497
Anon every country that was not a colony first in which the natives got exterminated has several languages.
The offical one is just the lungua franca.

>>87880975
As german i can say - no they are not.

>>87881040
Es is' 'n deutscher Dialekt.

>>87891899

Ainu I don't think you could make any meaningful claim to being Japanese, other than being spoken in Japan. That's just a completely unrelated language. Though, all this stuff is ill defined as I have been arguing in this thread.

>>87891987
Frisian is not a German dialect. In fact, it's closer to English

>>87891899
Ainu is not a Japonic Language, you fucking retard.

It's not even distantly related

>>87891309
>
Japan doesn't need to have japanese subtitles in it's TV shows.

You say that, but they constantly are putting what people say on the screen in those variety shows.

>>87891987
Frisian is German the same way English and Nederlands are.

Frisian is not German.

>>87886715
>split up into german, french, spanish and tealand
Anon that wrong on so many levels...
French and spanish are bastardized latin dialects, true. But German is not. English only indirect.
They those four languages are in two different language groups after all...

>>87892037

I wouldn't call him a retard. The whole definition of a "Japanese" language, a "Chinese" language, is ill defined in our argumentation.

>>87880975
>Dialects should be pretty much mutually intelligible
No I speak german but I will never be able to understand bavarian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmrMsuVI1qw

>>87892022
English is a German dialect too.
Angle Saxon were from a germanic tribe

>>87892077
Yeah. I learned North German, and we were basically told that what we learned would get more and more useless the more south we go.

And that goes double for Swiss-Deutsch

>>87880898
the official in Manadarin. People are free to speak in their own dialects but they probably can't get anywhere in life if they don't learn Mandarin Chinese.

Cantonese is the dialect of Hong Kong

>>87892110
English and Frisian have a common root that High German does not have
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Germanic_languages

>>87880803
The first panel confused me because I thought I remembered Agrias being Chinese, but the scribbles look more like vague Japanese writing.

>>87880975
they share the same written language. Vocally, they are unintelligible for the most part.

I GUESS it's kinda like a super thick texan accent trying to converse with a super thick boston accent, and it's impossible to communicate unless they switch languages or write it down on paper.

>>87892116
>what we learned would get more and more useless the more south we go.
It is useless wherever you go in Germany
this is Frisian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peaqJFLXpyk
Saxon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G1OTreju7k
Hessian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWVysosKi_E

>>87892146
>that High German does not have
The three most prevalent West Germanic languages are English, German, and Dutch. The family also includes other High and Low German languages and dialects including Luxembourgish and Yiddish

>The family also includes other High and Low German languages
>High and Low German languages
>High German

>>87892289
What I meant was, Old Frisian and Old English are part of a subgroup within West Germanic that High German is not part of, therefore, they are more closely related to each other than High German

>>87892056
That was a government decision to help their literacy rates. That fucking Kanji.

>>87892289
The language family Frisian comes from is called Anglo-Frisian. They're more closely related than to German.

>>87887892
Idk Poppy Morbi and It Hurts Gob are both awesome.
And never had complaints for Dr Mcninja Hastings

>>87892325
They are still related to High German.
>>87892380
and?
>>87892022 said
>Frisian is not a German dialect. In fact, it's closer to English

It is a German dialect.

>>87892457
>It is a German dialect.

No it's not
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisian_languages

>>87892499
However, modern English and Frisian are mutually unintelligible. Rather, the three Frisian languages have been heavily influenced by and bear similarities to Dutch, Danish, and/or Low German,

Language family
Germanic
West Germanic
Anglo-Frisian
Frisian

it is.

>>87881007

I'd not noticed that at all, she totally knows.

>>87892611
You are an idiot who knows nothing about linguistics

>Whomp threads devolve into arguing about dialects
These threads are always a hoot and a half.

>>87881221
There was quite a bit of Dutch and German at one point, too. And a few places hang on to some old French.

>>87881221
Maybe if you live in a border state, but here in the Midwest I've never once had someone speak Spanish to me and expect me to understand it.

>>87880975
I met a British man once I couldn't understand. I have a feeling he could only understand me because I speak the same American standard dialect they use on TV.

>>87886762
that just raises further questions

>>87892147
Yeah printed Chinese is rarely so curvy, but Ronnie's a weeb so his Japanese is probably leaking in.

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>>87883817
Too complicated.

>>87880803
Why is Ronnie sitting on a couch with hitler?

>>87882824
How long has it been since Ronnie smiled so widely?

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>>87896950
He'll always have anime

>>87892076
Would Cherokee be considered an "American" language?

>>87883500
Seems pretty easy for me to understand so far. Where's the hard part?

>>87880898
Virtually every major nation has unified its language into a standard to make it mutually intelligible for everyone.
Most people speak their language's standard variety and at least remnants of a local dialect.
Except for people from Hannover like myself who are living in the dialect-free zone.

>>87897565

That's exactly what I mean, it is not too well defined. If Cherokee and such is you could easily argue that English and Spanish are not, as they're foreign tongues.

Many things about languages like that are ill defined.

>>87897925
Of course, that's because Hannoverians originally spoke Low German, and so when they learned High German they learned it in the universal, standardized form

Yo, Ronnie Author, if you're reading this, it would make me insanely happy if in one of your comics Agrias fell down a flight of stairs. I kinda hate her and want to see her feel some pain.

Also, great comic. The motivation guy is awesome, he is a hero among men. And fat Ronnie character is silly too, he reminds me of kid from middle school I ate lunch with, but bearded and old.

>>87898710
Ronnie don't do this
I would like to see Agrias embarassed by her relatives more though

>>87896381
It's because Ronnie the character thinks that Chinese is like Japanese because they're both asian languages, so he makes the text look vaguely Japanese.

>>87886715
I think you meant to say how Latin eventually evolved into the romance languages.

I always have check out OP again in all the Ronnie threads to remember that i'm actually in a Ronnie thread.

Jesus, latin and linguistics? last time it was the sexualization of Mother Mary, why does this always happens in Whomp threads?