WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN: 2016 Superhero Movies

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Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)

>The movie was originally greenlit by WB as a standalone sequel to MAN OF STEEL featuring Lex Luthor and Metallo.

>Josh Brolin and Ben Affleck were offered the role of Batman, but both declined. Joe Manganiello, Matthew Goode, Scott Adkins, Max Martini and Richard Armitage auditioned before Affleck reconsidered and brought his contributor Chris Terrio to revise Goyer's script, which he found disappointing.

>Olga Kurylenko, Elodie Yung and Emily Ratajkowski auditioned for Wonder Woman before Gal Gadot was cast.

>Joaquin Phoenix was offered the role of Lex Luthor, but declined. Matt Damon, Bradley Cooper, Denzel Washington and Bryan Cranston were also approached before Snyder changed his plans for the character.

>Jesse Eisenberg was originally approached to play Jimmy Olsen. Snyder had planned to cast a well-known actor and then kill Olsen early in the movie to subvert audience expectations, but Eisenberg declined. Snyder felt Eisenberg's disdainful attitude was so powerful he changed the entire script to accomodate for a new interpretation of Luthor that would play to Eisenberg's strengths.

>The Knightmare and the Flash's appearance in Batman's dreams were late additions by Snyder, who believed that the narrative was "too linear" and needed more surreal elements even though he hadn't quite figured out their cause.

>Producer Christopher Nolan objected to Superman's death being done early into the DCEU, but Snyder ultimately persuaded him to the idea.

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Captain America: Civil War (2016)

>Early drafts featured Vision on Captain America's team and Ant-Man on Iron Man's team; larger roles for Sharon Carter and Everett Ross; appearances by Bruce Banner and Pepper Potts; and Hope Van Dyne becoming the Wasp.

>In early drafts, Spider-Man had a larger role and Prince T'Challa had a minor role. When the deal between Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures initially failed, T'Challa's role was expanded, including his transformation into Black Panther. Marvel and Sony later reached an agreement and Spider-Man was reinserted in the script in a smaller role.

>Marvel Entertainment CEO Ike Perlmutter refused to pay Robert Downey Jr's salary, reducing Iron Man to a brief appearance. Downey Jr. lobbied for a larger role and was backed by producer Kevin Feige, leading to a conflict that ended with Marvel Studios splitting off from Marvel Entertainment and Perlmutter being reassigned to the television department while Feige had complete creative control over the movies.

>During the period where Iron Man was unavailable, the Russos mapped out an alternative third act centered on Baron Zemo searching for a biological weapon known as "Madbomb", which compels people into murderous rampages.

>Asa Butterfield, Charlie Rowe, Judah Lewis, Matthew Lintz, Charlie Plummer and Liam James auditioned for Spider-Man before Tom Holland was cast.

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X-Men: Apocalypse (2016)

>Early drafts featured Wolverine and Mystique working together to rescue endangered mutants, leading to Wolverine being recruited by the X-Men as a drill sergeant for the young mutants.

>Early drafts featured Professor X becoming the fouth Horseman after being corrupted by Apocalypse, but the concept was scrapped and Pyslocke was added.

>Taron Egerton was offered the role of Cyclops, but declined. Jamie Blackley, Charlie Rowe, Timothee Chalamet and Ben Hardy auditioned before Tye Sheridan was cast. Hardy was later cast as Archangel.

>Chloe Moretz, Hailee Steinfeld and Elle Fanning auditioned for Jean Grey before Sophie Turner was cast.

>Amber Stevens and Zendaya Coleman auditioned for Storm before Alexandra Shipp was cast.

>Tom Hardy and Idris Elba were approached for Apocalypse before Oscar Isaac was cast.

>Although the Weapon X segment were always part of the movie, Wolverine's breakout was added in reshoots.

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Suicide Squad (2016)

>In early drafts, Rick Flag as the main character, but this was changed when Will Smith was cast as Deadshot.

>Early drafts featured King Shark, but the character was deemed too expensive and replaced by Killer Croc.

>Tom Hardy was originally cast as Flag, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts. Jake Gyllenhall, Luke Evans, Joel Edgerton and Jon Bernthal were approached to replace him before Joel Kinnaman was cast.

>Oprah Winfrey and Octavia Spencer were approached for Amanda Waller before Viola Davis was cast.

>Shia LaBeouf was approached for Lieutenant GQ Edwards before Scott Eastwood was cast and the character's role was severely reduced in rewrites.

>Several scenes were deleted, most notably the Joker's, and the movie was re-edited multiple times by different companies after middling reception at test screenings and the disappointing critical and commercial performance of BATMAN V SUPERMAN.

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Doctor Strange (2016)

>Fede Alvarez, Nikolaj Arcel, Dean Israelite, Jonathan Levine and Mark Andrews were approached to direct before Scott Derrickson was hired.

>Benedict Cumberbatch initially declined the role of Stephen Strange due to scheduling conflicts with his theater commitments. Mads Mikkelsen, Joaquin Phoenix, Jared Leto, Jake Gyllenhall, Tom Hardy, Colin Farrell, Ethan Hawke, Jack Huston, Oscar Isaac, Keanu Reeves, Matthew McConaughey, Ewan McGregor and Justin Theroux were approached to play the role before filming was delayed to accomodate Cumberbatch's schedule.

>Ken Watanabe, Morgan Freeman and Bill Nighy were approached for the Ancient One before Tilda Swinton was cast.

>In early drafts, the Ancient One was a Asian man and Wong was not featured. When the Ancient One was made into a Celtic woman, Wong was added to the story as one of Strange's mentors.

>Early drafts revealed that Strange went through the loop thousands of times before Dormammu decided to accept his bargain, and that he remembers each and every time he died.

>Early cuts featured a subplot about Strange's sister, Donna, who falls into a river while they're playing together and drowns despite his attempts to save her, motivating Strange to study medicine. Lulu Wilson played Donna, but all of her scenes were cut.

>Early cuts featured more parallels between science and magic that were cut from the movie so magic would remain shrouded in mystery.

>Early cuts had a slightly darker tone that didn't ressonate very well with test-audiences. Dan Harmon was then hired to revise the script and more lighthearted beats were added in reshoots.

Damn, Snyder is an idiot.

>>87853192
>larger role for Spider-Man

How would you feel if Zemo framed Bucky for killing Uncle Ben

>>87853321
>Ken Watanabe could have been a more proper Ancient One
Fuck this gay world.

>In early drafts, the Ancient One was a Asian man and Wong was not featured. When the Ancient One was made into a Celtic woman, Wong was added to the story as one of Strange's mentors.
Can't have too many asian dudes?! Are they getting their privileges forcefully checked now, too?!

>Early cuts featured more parallels between science and magic that were cut from the movie so magic would remain shrouded in mystery.
They had to get something right, I guess.

>Early cuts had a slightly darker tone that didn't ressonate very well with test-audiences.
Still thought the beheading at the beginning was pretty pointless.

>>87853163
>>87853855
Gotta wonder if he's still getting any work at movies at all, after crashing this movie with NO SHURVIVORSH

>>87853965
Weird, considering he looks like Tobey Macguire.

>>87853277
>Several scenes were deleted, most notably the Joker's, and the movie was re-edited multiple times by different companies after middling reception at test screenings and the disappointing critical and commercial performance of BATMAN V SUPERMAN.

when will execs learn?

>>87854001
Beheadings usually are pointless.

>>87854001
You didn't like Tilda Swinton? I'd say she was the best part of the movie.

>>87853321
>Ken Watanabe, Morgan Freeman and Bill Nighy were approached for the Ancient One before Tilda Swinton was cast

Why the fuck couldn't it have been Ken? I hope it wasn't the cancer

>>87853163
>Jesse Eisenberg was originally approached to play Jimmy Olsen. Snyder had planned to cast a well-known actor and then kill Olsen early in the movie to subvert audience expectations, but Eisenberg declined. Snyder felt Eisenberg's disdainful attitude was so powerful he changed the entire script to accomodate for a new interpretation of Luthor that would play to Eisenberg's strengths.

This is the dumbest rationale for a terrible casting choice I have ever seen

>>87853277
I just hope that WB releases the original dark cut someday

>>87854851
Eisenberg was pretty good as Luthor, except for the ding ding ding ding part

>>87854965
>Eisenberg was pretty good as Luthor

Not really

>>87854558
She's always good, at anything, apparently. But the whole racebending, genderbending, transferring-from-a-classic-monastery-stereotype-thingy didn't sit well with me at all.

It's like Marvel is afraid to use the tropes that made superhero stories great in the first place.

I mean, who knows, maybe it's just me being triggered. The Eye of Aggamotto being an Infinity Gem and Strange relying on it for time magic kinda pissed me off as well, it's like all power in the universe HAS to come from them.

>>87854492
It just kinda feels over-the-top edgy for a superhero movie. He could have been killed on the spot with a lightning spell or whatever, rather than restrained and beheaded on a basket.

>>87854965

Eisenberg is BvS in a microcosm. His good parts are great, but the bad parts are fucking weird and goofy.

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>>87853219
I keep forgetting this movie exists. It's the only Big 2 movie from this year that had absolutely no presence.

>>87853219
>Early drafts featured Wolverine and Mystique working together to rescue endangered mutants
That would have at least made sense with how DoFP ended

>>87853855
>"This movie is too linear, it needs a surreal scene!"
>"....why?"
>"....I haven't figured out why yet."

>>87853084
> Cannonball replaced by Negasonic

that explains a lot.

>>87855960
Yeah, the movie was basically populated entirely by 90's throwaway characters that nobody uses and also Colossus.
That was kind of the point; even Cable and Deadpool was FULL of these unused characters from the 90's.

>>87853084
>Patch as the bar owner,

Too confusing. Everyone would think that he was Wolverine.

>>87853163
>The Knightmare and the Flash's appearance in Batman's dreams were late additions by Snyder, who believed that the narrative was "too linear" and needed more surreal elements even though he hadn't quite figured out their cause.

"The movie makes too much sense. IT NEEDS TO MAKE LESS SENSE!"

>>87853163
>were late additions by Snyder, who believed that the narrative was "too linear" and needed more surreal elements even though he hadn't quite figured out their cause.

And there we go... it's a case of 'here is the conclusion, let's see what we can come up with to justify it.' Those trolls and the DC=Kino proponents might have something after all, even if it comes from incompetence and not design - the god-bothering parallels in BvS are built in, just inadvertantly.

>>87853163
>Elodie Yung
Thank you god in heaven for not letting this happen.
>before Snyder changed his plans for the character.
I Say this as a massive fan of the DCEU...
YOU STUPID FUCK!

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>>87853277
>>Early drafts featured King Shark, but the character was deemed too expensive and replaced by Killer Croc.
Incompetent bitches.
Stan Winston gave us a better King Shark in 1997 then your CGI bullshit would ever have been.

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>>87856334
FYI this is from Peter Benchley's Creature.

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>>87856377

>>87856081
Would be a cool casual detector, though.

>>87853321
> Mads could have been Strange...
> Strange could have had more pathos...
> Could have been darker...
Die in fire Marvel, Die in fire.

>>87853163
Fuck Snyder so hard for this shit. God, he just sucks so much.

>>87856698
I agree fuck him for Jesse. But there was nothing wrong with the Knightmare additions.

>>87857054
>But there was nothing wrong with the Knightmare additions.
If you went into the movie as a casual, having no idea who Darkseid was, you probably had no idea what the fuck was even going on.

Even as a big fan of DC and superheroes in general, a cinematic superhero adaptation should accommodate both casuals and hardcore fans. From the perspective of someone who didn't know much about comics, it was a big lipped alligator moment that didn't have much to do with the rest of the movie.

>>87853084
Dodged a bullet on most of those.

>>87853163
>we could have had Olga Kurylenko Wonder Woman

fuck you Snyder fuck you fuck you fuck you

>>87853084
Does it matter?

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>>87853163
>>The Knightmare and the Flash's appearance in Batman's dreams were late additions by Snyder, who believed that the narrative was "too linear" and needed more surreal elements even though he hadn't quite figured out their cause.
Bravo, Snyder standing up to the oppression of "narrative coherence"!
How does this guy even still have a job?

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>>87856081
No nigga, they mean this Patch from the Joe Kelly run.

>>87853084
>>Olivia Munn was approached to play Vanessa Carslyle, but declined in favor of playing Psylocke in X-MEN: APOCALYPSE and Morena Baccarin was cast.
Much better this way.

>>87853321
>Mads Mikkelsen, Joaquin Phoenix, Jared Leto, Jake Gyllenhall, Tom Hardy, Colin Farrell, Ethan Hawke, Jack Huston, Oscar Isaac, Keanu Reeves, Matthew McConaughey, Ewan McGregor and Justin Theroux were approached to play the role before filming was delayed to accomodate Cumberbatch's schedule
holy fuck

>>87853277
Dam i woulda loved Oprah as The Wall

>>87853219
>>Tom Hardy

>>87853277
>Tom Hardy

>>87853321
>Tom Hardy

Must be nice to be so in-demand!

>>87858414
Since when did /co/ care about casuals?

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>>87856292
>>87856309
>>87856334
>>87856360
>>87856377
>>87856398

Reminds me of the recent Ghostbusters. They had and effects shop build Slimer Puppets. They then replaced the puppets with CGI only using the puppets as "reference" and not crediting the shop.

They were also in the process of building a rock show demon which Sony scrapped.

>>87853163
>The Knightmare and the Flash's appearance in Batman's dreams were late additions by Snyder, who believed that the narrative was "too linear" and needed more surreal elements even though he hadn't quite figured out their cause.

I wanted to shove some cool shit I saw in Injustice in there as trailer bait but couldn't figure out how, so dream sequence it is.

>>87860248
Please no, she's not acted in decades other than tricking million of white house wives she gave a shit about them.

>>87860025
His Wife

>>87859186
And word is he wanted the Skeleton from the start so those auditions had nothing to do with his choices.

>>87853192
>Ant-Man on Iron Man's team
>The character who was explicitly told by his mentor that Starks are shit
Was Ant-Man still not a finished script by the time they started writing this or something?

>>87860449
Maybe they were still going off the early draft before the switch up.

>>87853163
>The Knightmare and the Flash's appearance in Batman's dreams were late additions by Snyder, who believed that the narrative was "too linear" and needed more surreal elements even though he hadn't quite figured out their cause.
Kino.

>>87853321
>Nikolaj Arcel, Dean Israelite, Jonathan Levine and Mark Andrews
Goddamn, those were some fucking bullets dodged.

>Fede Alvarez
GODDAMN IT I WANTED THAT

>>87853321
It's kind of weird that they didn't even consider an Asian actor for Strange, since he was originally drawn with Asiatic features.

>>87860502
Those weren't intentional features, just Ditko's take on Vincent Price's face.

>>87860412
Man they really fucked up EVERYTHING in the worst, stupidest way about this movie, didn't they

>>87860412
It could've been worse, it could've been The Thing prequel were they had 90% of all the practical effects ready before the studio decided to go CGI.

>>87860519
Pretty much going with "funny women" over chemistry and by screwing up a passing of the torch film everyone's wanted for over a decade because the Director wanted to make it his.

Now instead of a new generation gaining interest in the property, everyone just wants to forget it happened. Which makes me sadder than anything else.

>>87853321
>Early cuts featured a subplot about Strange's sister, Donna, who falls into a river while they're playing together and drowns despite his attempts to save her, motivating Strange to study medicine. Lulu Wilson played Donna, but all of her scenes were cut.
>Early cuts featured more parallels between science and magic that were cut from the movie so magic would remain shrouded in mystery.

Everyone focuses on the bad decisions and "what could have been"s in these threads, so it's nice to make some good calls by the filmmakers.

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>>87860547
I absolutely love how they repackaged the movie as "Ghostbusters: Answer the Call" for home releases to try and save face.

>>87853163
I kinda wish Ben Affleck hadn't accepted the role, so that I could dislike this movie 100%

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>>87860566
That started on the movie posters.

>>87860566
>so desperate for good publicity that you put the rotten tomatoes shit on the front cover

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>>87860596
Only in some of them, and only as tagline. Now it's for realsies the title of the movie. Something similar happened with Edge of Tomorrow, but I don't remember what they changed it to.

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>>87860519
That's right, Susan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWROBiX1eSc

>>87860547
>screwing up a passing of the torch film everyone's wanted for over a decade because the Director wanted to make it his.

The funny thing is, they could of done this since they had most of the original cast appear in the movie.

>>87860617
>Something similar happened with Edge of Tomorrow, but I don't remember what they changed it to.

Live. Die. Repeat. on home release.

>>87854965
Eisenberg is only good in certain segments of the rooftop sequence. His exaggerated mannerisms actually often bring the scene down.

>>87860547
It died so hard that I forgot it was coming/came out until South Park mentioned it.

>>87860338
It doesn't matter what /co/ thinks, the studio should have the foresight since casuals are the source of 90% of their income.

>>87860677

Is that the name of the actual source material though? And it isn't one of those localisation deals where they changed the release title for certain countries just because?

Nifty movie though. It sucks that Tom Cruise is the only one that can get bizarre scifi stuff made.

>>87860716
The source material is 'All You Need is Kill'.

>>87860677
"Live, Die, Repeat" was the tagline. They just made it huge on DVD covers and reduced the actual title to a tiny blimp.

Reminder that Snyder is involved in the Justice League movie

>>87860531
Why would they do this? You've already put in the funds to get all the practical effects, and CGI is only cheaper if you do a ruched, shitty job of it.

>>87860617
That was always the title.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/nope-ghostbusters-has-not-suddenly-gotten-a-new-title-1786062339

>>87860547
That's because it wasn't a Ghostbusters project from conception, just an unnamed vehicle movie for the lead actresses that Paul Feig decided to turn into a Ghostbusters remake.

>>87860728
Just because it was too late in production.

Snyder won't direct anything anymore.

>>87853084
>>Olivia Munn was approached to play Vanessa Carslyle, but declined in favor of playing Psylocke in X-MEN: APOCALYPSE and Morena Baccarin was cast.

dodged a bullet there

>>87860025
His wife is an executive at WB.

That's literally the only reason he had a job in movie directing in the first place.

>>87860781
We can only hope so, I want to say they learned from their mistakes but I've lost all faith.

>>87860791
>His wife is an executive at WB.
She's a package deal with him though. She had never been a producer on a film associated with Warner Bros before 300. So does nepotism really explain it?

>>87860449
>Was Ant-Man still not a finished script by the time they started writing this or something?
Yes, that is in fact the case.

>>87860547
>screwing up a passing of the torch film everyone's wanted
Whoa whoa WHOA let's not get carried away... personally, I wouldn't want that either.

I meant they manage to fuck everything up, down to the marketing which alienated pretty much everyone, releasing it right after Egon died, I heard they basically blackmailed Bill Murray so he'd be in the movie etc. And now I learned they went full retard with the special effects process as well.

>>87860748
Fucking WOW.

>>87860323
he took a forgettable character and created meme magic with it

>>87860781
>>87860825
sorry boys
were in this ride all the way till the end
http://screencrush.com/snyder-cavill-superman-sequel-maybe/

>>87860724
That's a radical fucking name that I totally see why they changed. I wonder if that was the movie's title in Japan.

>>87860890
Well nobody cared who he was until he put on the mask.

>>87860743
They still took a title that existed only on the credits and for cataloging purposes only and slapped on the posters and covers after initially advertising it as only "Ghostbusters", still seems like backing down to me.

>>87860904
It was, according to Wikipedia.

>>87860323
Funny how he is this white hot for movies and for some reason been doing mostly TV work since The Revenant.

>>87853321
>Ken Watanabe, Morgan Freeman and Bill Nighy were approached for the Ancient One before Tilda Swinton was cast.

Morgan Freeman as the Anceint One would have shut down so much of the shit the film got . . .

Though I still think Whoopie Goldberg basically reprising Gainan from Star Trek: TNG would have shut them down even more.

>>87853277
>King Shark too expensive for Suicide Squad
>appears in Flash

oh DCEU...

>>87861159
Gotta save on that CGI budget for the incredibly unnecessary and over the top clusterfuck of a final confrontation in the subway, man.

>>87861159
Based DCTV.

>>87860956
Well he has Mad Max now, so he pretty much has steady work for years to come.

>>87861036
Why would it have "shut down" anything? It's still stunt casting, but the stunt is different, I don't see why anyone who was displeased with it would be fine now...

>>87853163
Snyder is so incompetent it's borderline fictional.

>>87861178
>>87861159
He was voiced by Solid Snake to boot.

>>87861200
I mean, there's hardly any source for these, so it might as well be. The fact that everyone is so willing to believe it regardless speaks volumes about the regard in which the man is held.

>>87861211
After watching interviews with Snyder, I absolutely believe any of the batshit crazy things associated with him.

>>87853219
>Taron Eagerton
>Elle Fanning
Would've been way cooler

>>87860649

>yfw the new Ghostbusters lead to Trump's victory

>>87855714
It's a weird movie.

I guess it lived up to its own "the third one is always the worst" joke

>>87860566
Kinda like Edge of Tomorrow, which didn't do too well on theaters so for home release they rather trick people into thinking it's some other movie called "Live Die Repeat"

>>87861355
It was the SJWs pushing Ghostbusters that led to Trump's victory.

They turned on so many of their own who so much as gently criticized the movie.

>>87853163
>Matt Damon Lex Luthor
>Ben Affleck Bats
my god
it could've been BEAUTIFUL

>>87861200
Fiction has to be plausible. Reality has no such rule.

>>87853084
Is there a source?

>>87861200
But nothing he did besides hiring Jesse was incompetent.

>>87861187
Didn't George Miller say he wasn't doing any more "Mad Max" movies because "Fury Road" was so difficult to make?

>>87853084
>purely wa

>>87861297
>Script arguments between Snyder and Affleck (and Cavill) were settled by push-up contests
>Snyder is the most swole man on set so he won most of the time

>>87862195
>Affleck was revising the script in costume
>the push-up contests were probably in costume too

>>87862111
This is not what realitty thinks.

>>87861188
the problem wasn't stunt casting, it was "Racism".

I put that in quotes because it's kind of odd to insist that it's 'whitewashing' to not use a racist stereotype.

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>>87853321
>Early cuts had a slightly darker tone that didn't ressonate very well with test-audiences. Dan Harmon was then hired to revise the script and more lighthearted beats were added in reshoots.

>>87860617
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>>87860566
I gotta ask. Why the fuck is the receptionist on the cover of this? Like who gives a fuck? Were they so desperate for attention that they shoved him on because they knew he was popular?

>>87862684
They could've hired Asian writers or at least figured out some way to eliminate the stereotype instead of changing TAO's race.

>>87862871
Women won't go see a movie full of other women in it, considering they naturally hate each other, they'll flock to theaters for Hemsworth, though.

>>87862224
So you're saying they spent more time in costume dicking around in the set than in the movie itself?

>>87858414
So what? If casuals are confused tell them to read comics to understand what is going on.

Wouldn't that be better for the company?

>>87860045
Thank christ himself. She couldn't act her way out of a goddamn ziploc.

I swear that auschwitz 'come back to the dark side magneto' scene was the cringiest thing I've ever seen in film. And the whole time she's in the back in her stupid bikini looking like an idiot and staring off into space.

>>87853163
Snyder is the best. But now I'm wondering what Goyer's original script was. Why don't they release those?

>>87863376
>Snyder is the best.
Fuck off snyderfag.

>>87863421
>triggered

Get over it already.

>>87863293
You can't be this naive.

>>87853163
God this movie was fucked from the start, wasn't it?

This word gets thrown around a lot, but Snyder truly is a hack.

>>87855644
Maybe he'll lose the gem at some point and realize the magic was inside him all along

>>87855680
There was legitimate reason for his "weird and goofy" parts though. He was obviously still traumatized.

>>87861211
The Jesse Eisenberg part was in an interview at a comic book or movie news site, it got posted here at the time.

>>87853192
>Early drafts featured Vision on Captain America's team and Ant-Man on Iron Man's team

How would that even be justified?

>appearances by Bruce Banner and Pepper Potts
>that scene at the expo where Pepper was about to show up
>RDJ had to wing it for real
I wish.

>Ike Perlmutter refused to pay Robert Downey Jr's salary, reducing Iron Man to a brief appearance
I wonder how that would have worked script wise. It might have been a better movie, especially if it focused more on Captain America.

>>87863735
Works for me, sorta, but then... Dr Strange with no Eye of Agamotto.

>>87863863
>How would that even be justified?
Ant Man would want to redeem his name after being a criminal for years.
Vision could have thought that life being free and unrestrained as nature intended was the morally right thing to do.

>>87863863
Vision was initially drafted to Team Cap just so they could do the thing from the comics where Vision phases through Tony, disabling his armor in the process and allowing Cap to kick his shit in.

>>87863460
>t-they insulted SNYDER, I-I will say "triggered"!

>>87864007
Vision would work but Ant Man is a bit of a stretch.

Come to think of it, I don't even remember why Vision was on Tony's team in the first place. Is it just because Tony made him or what? Feels like Vision should have kept out of the conflict.

>>87864035
That would have been cool.

>>87864086
Looks like you got SUPER triggered.

>>87864093
>I don't even remember why Vision was on Tony's team in the first place
He felt that the Avengers presence invites challenge & therefor conflict itself.

>>87864093
>Feels like Vision should have kept out of the conflict
He mostly did, he was shown as being conflicted about the whole thing, all he did was try and fail to keep Wanda inside, which had more to do with protecting her than defending Stark's interests and shooting a laser at Rhodey after standing around doing nothing for the entirety of the airport fight.

>>87853321
>Jared Leto as Dr. Strange
>DORMAMMU'S GONNA FREAK

>Early cuts featured more parallels between science and magic that were cut from the movie so magic would remain shrouded in mystery.
The fact that this was even considered speaks volumes.

>Early cuts had a slightly darker tone that didn't ressonate very well with test-audiences. Dan Harmon was then hired to revise the script and more lighthearted beats were added in reshoots.
JEJ

>>87853192
>>Marvel Entertainment CEO Ike Perlmutter refused to pay Robert Downey Jr's salary, reducing Iron Man to a brief appearance. Downey Jr. lobbied for a larger role and was backed by producer Kevin Feige, leading to a conflict that ended with Marvel Studios splitting off from Marvel Entertainment and Perlmutter being reassigned to the television department while Feige had complete creative control over the movies.


This is some comic book shit lmao

>>87863293
Anon, most casuals aren't going to pick up a comic regardless.

>>87864216
The true Civil War.

>>87864216
>>87864259
That's pretty funny. You think Perlmutter will come back as a villain and get his revenge?

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>>87863376
The best at sucking dic

>>87862684
How is it a racist stereotype? There are loads of white monks.

>>87860891
It's a bit outdated, but I do hope Snyder directs the Man of Steel sequel.

>>87864398
His revenge is that the Inhumans TV show is gonna be a hit not like any Marvel movie

...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>87860502
Hollywood hates Asians.

>>87855644
Come on, anon, everyone knew that Strange was going to feature an infinity stone, don't pretend you didn't expect it.

>>87864975
Yeah, people were expecting the Eye to be one since forever. Doesn't mean I have to LIKE it.

>>87853163
>>The Knightmare and the Flash's appearance in Batman's dreams were late additions by Snyder, who believed that the narrative was "too linear" and needed more surreal elements even though he hadn't quite figured out their cause.
they were awesome scenes but they just made the movie even more a clusterfuck.

>>87860740
Because a mass audience would respond better to children

>>87861601
The movie is quite good though. "Live Die Repeat" is what they should have named it in the first place.

>>87864716
>but I do hope Snyder directs the Man of Steel sequel.
As someone who holds Mos among his top favorite films, I agree but only if everyone absolutely forces him to make it a hopeful film with Clark talking to people and being friendly that is the only chance it has at getting good reviews with Snyder directing and I just can't take the soul crushing notion that everyone in the world hates this thing I truly love again.

>>87865275
Remember that scene near the end where little Clark is playing around with the cape while Pa Kent watches and fixes the car? Snyder added that. It wasn't in the original script. I'm putting my bets on him.

>>87854656
probably was

>>87864942
that aren't chinese

>>87864716
I don't. I really liked Man of Steel and all, BvS and SS were trash to me. But I'd like to see someone else's hold on the Superman mythology.

>>87863354

well she might have been added later in post.

She's one of those people in hollywood that got a solid gig, did stunts for attention, didn't become a land whale, or get an old looking face and never gave up (which is easier once you have the money and credits) and got to be in big movies. Truly an inspiration for all women who are lucky enough to have success early on and good genes.

>>87853163
Snyder is like some childlike retard who just happened to get the reins to a multi-billion dollar franchise

>>87865613
Someone's jealous.

>>87865665
He's not wrong.

>>87865665
Well, of course, I'd love to be paid millions to make half a billion dollar movies about what I used to come up with while slamming action figures together as a kid.

>>87865679
He is though. Snyder's intellect is vastly superior to that poster's.

>>87865613
But nothing he does is child like or retarded.

>>87865818
The way he has fun is childlike, but in a good way. He has that childlike wonder that people have lost due to being too cynical. I like Snyder.

>>87865804
>>87865818
Kinda like BvS Luthor

>>87865818
>"This movie's too easy to understand, I need to pad it out with some flashy action that even I don't fully understand just yet"
>"Superman should frown more and be like Batman. I like Batman. Batman is the coolest superhero."
>"We should kill Jimmy Olsen, because that'd really surprise people. This is a movie for grown-ups, like me."
>"No, Christopher Nolan doesn't get it, we SHOULD kill Superman this early because it'll be cool, duh."
>"Pssh, comics are lame. More after effects."

If Paul Feig wasn't around, I'd say he's the biggest hack in all of Hollywood. He only got the job because his wife is an executive producer for WB (which is the same reason he hasn't been fired yet).

He's a shit filmmaker; 300 was cool and Watchmen was probably the best adaptation of that we could have gotten, but every original production he's made that's not a direct adaptation of an existing story is utter dogshit.

>>87865804
I honestly think Snyder is an idiot.
Not in like "oh, I don't like this guy, I'll call him stupid", I actually think he's not smart. He sounds like a stupid, stupid person who doesn't know how to do anything other than make music videos.

>>87865969
>We should kill Jimmy Olsen, because that'd really surprise people. This is a movie for grown-ups, like me.

Why would anyone be surprised by them killing Jimmy Olsen if he dies before anyone has the slightest clue that he's supposed to be Jimmy Olsen?

>>87865999
You should listen to the Watchmen Director's commentary. He's more intelligent than you think. It really does feel like he gets nervous during interviews at times.

>>87865999
Like Brett Ratner.

>>87865804
Not really. I agree with >>87865999 to an extent.

He's the sort of guy who might impress you with some of his knowledge on movies, mythology, and so on. But the more you hear him speak and the more you realize that he doesn't know what he's talking about on a lot of things, the more you realize that he isn't much smarter than the average person. He's ultimately a manchild obsessed over grimdark edge and desperately wants to make a mature movie, but has no idea what 'mature' really means. He's so insecure about really wanting his movies to just have badass fight scenes, that he goes to ridiculous lengths to try to justify them in his movies and try, but fail, to insert a deeper meaning in them.

Just look at Sucker Punch. That's a movie that has tons of stupid, ridiculous action, but it's framed around some stupid drama about a woman forced into a mental hospital. Snyder's movies would be much better if he just screwed the pooch and admitted that he just really likes action and fucked off with the awful attempts at drama and symbolism.

>>87866168
>He's ultimately a manchild obsessed over grimdark edge
Care to substantiate these claims?

>desperately wants to make a mature movie, but has no idea what 'mature' really means.
What does "mature" mean to you? Why doesn't Snyder deliver?

>and try, but fail, to insert a deeper meaning in them.
I personally think he succeeded but you're free to disagree or ask for a clarification.

>Just look at Sucker Punch.
Sorry, I haven't seen that movie yet. You could be right about that one, but even so it doesn't necessarily mean you're right about your other claims.

>>87866018
Oh, but the original idea was to introduce Jimmy Olsen, so it would be a really brilliant moment in cinema. I heard it was included in the director's cut.

>>87866318
>Care to substantiate these claims?
Almost every one of his movies have been dark as fuck, perhaps unnecessarily. The man is OBSESSED over dark plotlines and/or imagery. Just look at Sucker Punch. It's a movie about a girl committed to a mental hospital after she tried to kill her guardian, who tried to rape her ffs. And it only gets darker from there. Or just watch Batman vs. Superman.

>What does "mature" mean to you? Why doesn't Snyder deliver?
"Mature" can mean dealing with subject matter not suitable for children or even taking a look at childish things in an adult way. It can mean embracing your inner child and looking at dumb childish things like superheroes and thinking, "I can enjoy this."

>Sorry, I haven't seen that movie yet. You could be right about that one, but even so it doesn't necessarily mean you're right about your other claims.
Just watch it or try to watch it. You won't have faith in Snyder have watching it. The one movie that he came up with and wrote all by himself and it was complete shit.

>>87866543
Come to think of it, when did Sucker Punch come out? Could it have been inspired by Alan Moore's Lost Girls?

>>87865357
>Snyder added that. It wasn't in the original script. I'm putting my bets on him.
Snyder ALSO said that it wasn't childish glee, he said that Clark has a kryptonian genetic disposition to like capes.

Snyder is an idiot.

>>87865665
He is right tho.

>>87866617
When did he say that?

>>87865859
>The way he has fun is childlike, but in a good way. He has that childlike wonder that people have lost due to being too cynical. I like Snyder.

>I will kill Jimmy Olsen because its funny

>>87866617
DEEPEST LORE
Please tell me he was joking around in the director comments or something.

>>87866543
>Almost every one of his movies have been dark as fuck, perhaps unnecessarily.
I think MoS and BvS are a bit dark but not to the extreme degree that you're saying. Again, I haven't watched Sucker Punch so I can't say much about that.

How do you explain the fact that both MoS and BvS have hopeful endings and light moments then? Wouldn't Snyder not want to do that if he wants everything to be dark and edgy forever?

>"Mature" can mean dealing with subject matter not suitable for children or even taking a look at childish things in an adult way.
Can you give an example of something like this? Usually it's rape and murder so I'd rather something else. There were definitely large themes in BvS that a child could theoretically understand but that even adults argue about at times (eg power).

>Just watch it or try to watch it.
I plan on watching it eventually, but it'll be a while. If there's a director's commentary I'll listen to that too. We'll see about your claims.

Plus, it seems a little egregious to judge a person based solely on one movie.

>>87866715
300 is the only passable Snyder movie.

>>87861948
Not him but that's the leaked Deadpool script, from way before the movie got greenlit.

>>87866772
Not the anon you replied to, but the Owl movie and Dawn of the Dead wasn't too bad.

>>87866837
I was planning on watching Snyder's Owls. How good is it?

>>87867494
Kind of shit, but a little better than BvS at least.