Where should I start with the Transformers?

>>87841546
Start with: Beast Wars
End with: Animated

That's pretty much it. Everything else is shit.

>>87841546
The shows are all shit. Read the IDW comics. Start with Phase One. Don't fall for Tumblr's lies and skip to Phase Two.

>>87841546
What about Transformers appeals to you?
How old are you?
What are some franchises/comics/cartoons you already like?

These're important to know, cuz otherwise you're just gonna get a bunch of people pushing their contradictory opinions on you. I know what TF media *I* like, but I wanna know what would work for you.

>>87841690
>What about Transformers appeals to you?
The lore.
>How old are you?
22
>What are some franchises/comics/cartoons you already like?
Star Wars, Spider-Man, old school Disney comics/cartoons, Hannah Barbera, and Gundam.

>>87841546
I will list shit I saw
G1 cartoon 30 episodes I dropped since I'm busy with work
Saw Beast Wars when I was a kid and rewatched it fully in 1 summer and I did the same for beast machines but it isn't that good
Binge watched Animated and Prime and saw the first movie.
Skipped the rest of the adaptations. Read some Idw comics but they didn't captured me so much.

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The original 80's film has aged shockingly well.

>>87841754
I highly recommend last stand of the wreckers it's a 5 issue mini series that is decently separated from everything else, it also has a decent sequel

>>87841754
Hmmm. If by "Hanna Barbera" you mean the older cartoons and not the 90s Cartoon Cartoons, then you may have the patience to watch the original cartoon. Just know that, like all 80s action cartoons, it's not really meant to be taken seriously - seeing and more importantly, hearing all the classic characters with their original voice actors is worth it though. And it, in addition to the Marvel comic, created the "lore" that would be reinterpreted by later series.

I'd definitely recommend Beast Wars & Beast Machines, as those actually DO hold up better and do unique things with the mythology, but it'd be even rougher watching G1 AFTER those.

Alternatively, if you don't have time to watch all of those, just watch Transformers Animated. It's self-contained and sharply written, and has a diverse enough cast and stories that you could probably tell from there what you wanted to try next - f'rinstance, if you like the sillier, comic-relief-heavy episodes, you'd probably enjoy G1, and if you like the darker episodes, you'd prefer the comics.

>>87841633
>Furmanshit
lol

>>87841821
Animation-wise, it's aged decently.
The story and writing's complete trash, though, if you're not using nostalgia goggles.

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>>87841821
I think that varies depending on wether or not you've seen the original TV series prior to seeing the movie.

There's quite a few changes in tone and actions between them, such as the difference between a shot by a laser rifle just knocking you down and outright killing you.

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>>87842057
>The story and writing's complete trash

To be fair, it's better than the TV series and Bay Movies, but that's not worth a whole lot.

>>87841821
It was handled by different animation studios right?

>>87842270
a bunch of them, and it's pretty obvious.

>>87842270
Yes, though Toei was the main one for both show and film.

>>87842037
>Contrarianism is cool mom!
Furman is the Claremont of Transformers.

>>87842131
>Megatron shows you what he thinks of Cosmic Cube

>>87842789
>Great in the 80's, but completely went to shit when he came back after a long hiatus
Sounds about right, yeah.

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>>87841754
> the lore
You could force yourself through G1, since it introduces many core concepts and characters that have re-appeared throughout the different iterations of the franchise.
You could read up on the current IDW comics since they're also getting expanded - we got a pastbin and reading list, but I don't have those at hand.
The shows... Beast Wars is good, but it doesn't touch much on lore, it deals with the descendants of Decepticons/Autobots being stranded on a primitive planet, but it's still good despite outdated graphics.
Transformers Animated has some very good character growth and overview of some of the conflict with more nasty Autobots, but it's also Optimus' coming-of-age story against the ancient warlord Megatron, and it never got the 4th season that was planned, so that's that.
Transformers Prime is also considered good by some, boring for others. I enjoyed it, and it's part of the (sort-of) Aligned Universe with a (botched) follow-up in the Robots in Disguise 2015 cartoon. RID2015 has its up and downs and is aimed at a more kiddy demographic, Prime was good but very slow.

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>>87843040
I think the best adivce I can give is: watch a show to see if you like it, if yes, continue with shows or comics, and hang out in threads when they're up - usually wednesdays with new comic drops, where also the pastbin and reading list are shared. Info osmosis can go a long way.

>>87842093
Jesus, Optimus, there are children present!

Actually that does look like pretty shit protection for the Matrix. From certain angles you could probably see it right in his chest through the glass.

Of course it's probably super cybertronian glass, but still.

>>87843850
There's a thick panel that folds over the matrix behind the windows.

>>87843850
The matrix probably has some built-in protections, but since it's broken in two and then some, that doesn't matter anymore. What happened to Bumblebee's piece anyway? I know Rod broke his by foiling Tyrest's plans.

Rescue Bots

s02e10 (have SD need HD)

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s03e04
>>87843040
>we got a pastbin and reading list, but I don't have those at hand.
Link for the MEGA. Posting the Pastebin at this point is fairly redundant since it just links to the MEGA.
https://mega.nz/#F!Ax4nUCCT!_5vN--HYA1R6ahJUNcx-wQ

>>87841546
Cartoons:

-G1 s goofy and silly. Sometimes fun for silly reasons. Occasionally legitimately solid. Sometimes an absolute chore, especially in s3.
The film is a lot of fun though for what it is.

-Japanese G1 continuations are a bit contested and how much you like them will come down to how much you like that brand of kids anime really. Most TFG guys only like Victory, but I like all 3.
Headmasters is the most TF like. First half I think is great, kinda loses its way by the middle though and aside from a couple of isolated eps where it picks up again, never really gets back its form and goes out with a weak non-ending.
Master Force is super fun and Ginrai is awesome. But it's the least like a TF series and just a full blown kids piloted mecha show.
Victory is honestly like Master Force, but retains being an actual TF series more. Since it's no longer humans piloting robos.

-Beast Wars is great, I'd possibly even argue it's the only truly great Transformers cartoon there is. First series to really tackle the Transformers with a degree of maturity with some great character growth for the heroes and really strong well fleshed out characters. Though not without its childish side as some of the villains are the typical "dumb enforcer" archetype, with some slapstick humour here and there and the occasional fart joke early on in the show while it was still finding itself.

>>87844027
(cont)
Ignore that opening bit I typed it up in a notepad window I had spare and forgot to delete something non-related up top.

-Animated is well liked for being and energetic and fun show with charming characters. It's quite unique for Transformers though a lot of its uniqueness for TF comes from just turining it into a super hero show at times. Has really good world building, a really good interpretation of Optimus Prime and handles the Decepticons great. S1 and 2 can be a bit rocky though depending on what you want out of the show and it doesn't fully come into its own until s3 where it gets cancelled

-Prime is more contested on /co/, but generally in a wider sense it's one of the more liked series just as Animated is. Tries to be a more serious TF series again like Beast Wars. Is a strong series when its good, but restraints on the show's plotting from production issues start to really show through in later seasons and the show can at times be a bit frustratingly dumb in how it forces the status quo to maintain.

>>87844048
(cont)

Comics:

-Marvel G1 is great and if lore and worldbuilding is what you're looking for this is the place you're gonna find where most of the significant lore for TF really began. Budiansky's stuff starts out decent but starts to go full retard before he leaves the book due to him not knowing how to keep up with the mandates of including new toy gimmicks and characters all the time. Generally the Furman stuff is why it's considered great. I'd recommend reading the Marvel UK version which has twice the content as Furman started there and was writing extra UK only stories that worked around the Budiansky ones, before Furman later took over writing the US series too and brought over concepts he'd introduced in Marvel UK.

>>87844068
(cont)

-IDW's current universe started out decent. Furman came back to do a new ground up take on Transformers. Some like it, some feels its aged a bit. But I definitely recommend checking out for yourself to know and I am a fan, other than Spotlight Arcee which is just such a messy can of worms.
IDW then gets a bit of a rocky time of it with the McCarthy era of All Hail Megatron, largely ignores a lot of what Furman had established in favour of being a shallow and "edgy cool" version of the G1 cartoon with nostalgia goggles. It was uh... not good.
Then you have Costa's era with The Transformers ongoing. G.I. Joe writer who openly didn't like the concept of Transformers ideal guy for the job. Basically didn't know what he should do with the characters so tried to give a human army perspective on them. We had basically 30 issues of Optmus being lost, the Autobots doing stupid things and more focus on insufferable and impossible to like humans than the Bay movies.
IDW finally turns it back around with new editor and writing blood. Now 2 main ongoings, Roberts writing More Than Meets the Eye, basically Transformers as a space opera on a quest to find an old Cybertronian myth. Has the most world building of IDW's TF books, and captures the feel of sci-fi shows like Farscape and Doctor Who while still being grounded in being a Transformers coming and about Transformers. Meanwhile Barber writes Robots in Disguise (later just called "The Transformers"), a more political book focusing on the political climate of post war Cybertron and how Autobots, Decepticons and non-aligned get by together in times of peace. More of a slow build book than MTMTE but still a great read.

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>>87843996
I was just making a joke, or at least trying to. Guess I got a little serious in the speculation. It's just a still and those aren't always made to be accurate, just dynamic. For instance there doesn't appear to be any covers there except for a short flap up top that wouldn't hide much. Ah well, as long as it isn't Pat The Transman... The dimensions of the figure otherwise make sense, after all. Good old Guido. Did he ever get all his money from Pat?

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>>87844324
If you used the original g1 cover it would obscure part of him, so yeah they leave it out to make the view more dramatic.

>>87844612
I like how Ultra Magnus had a compartment all ready and waiting. Makes me wonder what it is normally used for. Storing energon goodies? The remains of people he can't deal with right now?

>>87841565
Truth. But not. Read Tom Scioli's Transformers Vs GI Joe instead.

>>87841633
>implying
>he doesn't into G1, Beast wars, Unicron trilogy or Animated
https://youtu.be/9ODtsNMNJXk

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>>87841546

>>87841633
Don't listen to this retarded faggot social justice warrior, IDW is shit


If you want an opinion of a real Transformers fan, I will tell you

G1, Beast Wars, Beast Machines....these are all the same continuity, BM sucks dick but it's worth the watch for the sake of completion and hell maybe you'll like it

Animated, it's good

TF Prime, it's good

If you like this shit then if you dare venture onto the anime which at that point you can look up yourself, it's all awful and I regret having to suffer through it, but some people do like it and maybe you like overly Japanese crap

If you want a shortcut watch the G1 movie and Beast Wars, and find your own way from there

Play the War For Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron games as both are great

Uh, haven't seen the latest show so I can't speak on it....but TF Rescue Bots is fun for a kid's show

>>87846370
>/tv/
>real TF fan
lol

>>87846370
>TF Prime, it's good

s1 and 2? yah. s3 was trash tho.

>>87846442
What? There is not real TF fan who's not a fan of G1, sorry

>>87846461
It wasn't amazing, far from the worst thing if you've watch every show in Transformers....it was not done the way it should have been, that happens

>>87846565
>muh cartoons are better than the comics!
Let me know when they make a MtMtE cartoon, weeaboo.

>>87846565
I'll never get over Dreadwing. Never.

>>87846722
>weeaboo.
Are your a fucking retard?

>>87846771
In the end they all went to waste since RID"2" brought back virtually none of the cast in a meaningful way or other than who was to be assumed, so don't feel bad.....they all may as well have died

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>>87841546
start with loliformers, it only gets better from there.

>>87844088
So should I just skip All Hail Megatron and Costa's run altogether?

>>87847896
Come on, they're all adults. They're just drawn by a guy who doesn't know the difference and... Marissa, why are you wearing assless chaps?

>>87847900
The tail end of Costa's run is important, and Roberts writes some issues that lead into the new status quo (and an issue that features an incredible conversation between Optimus and Megatron) so I'd advise to at least read from issue 22 onwards if nothing else.

Other than that your call. Furman, McCarthy and Costa's stuff all do their own thing to the point that they don't even feel connected and have giant incompatibility issues even though it's meant to be the same continuity. Costa tries to fix some of that damage when fans complained but it didn't help much.

When Barber starts writing Robots in Disguise though he impressively manages to make you believe that Furman, McCarthy and Costa's eras all work together and characters are really shaped by what happens in all 3.

So I guess it comes down to how much you care about that from a continuity stand point. There's nothing in RiD that's esoteric about it so it won't lose you or anything, but you would have a slightly greater appreciation of it.

Your call if something like that makes them worth slogging through, generally they're not really worth it. Unfortunately my OCD didn't let me skip them.

I would definitely advise to read Last Stand of the Wreckers though. A mini series that happened during the Costa era, but it was written by Roberts and Roche and is a fan favourite. Plus some of the plot threads get revisited in More Than Meets the Eye.

>>87848116
Sins felt a lot weaker than Last Stand, and I dread the idea of having to wait for another Wreckers mini-series years form now where they'll finally pick up the plot points Sins left dangling.

At this point how many Wreckers are even still left alive? It's not like they're getting any replacements now that the war is over. Of course Impactor has his own wacky animal hit squad now.

>>87848910
>At this point how many Wreckers are even still left alive? It's not like they're getting any replacements now that the war is over.
They basically drafted Kup, Hubcap, Stakeout and Arcee accidentally. If you go on a mission with the Wreckers, you're a Wrecker.
Also, Broadside and Scoop are still around.

>>87848910
I still really liked Sins, but then I really love Prowl so there was that. Plus I always loved Tarantulus in Beast Wars and IDW mad scientist version definitely tickled me.

>Spoiler
Well the Wreckers in Last Stand were mostly guys who were just slapped on the team, Impactor could easily just convince people. Plus as you said they had a rank boost in Sins anyway.

Also not directly TF related but:
Most of the way through IDW G.I. Joe v1 and I feel like I'm just passing time in the Joe parts until I get to more Cobra shenanigans. I'm not even usually that overly focused on the villains, is this normal for G.I. Joe? I suspect it is but it's kinda hard to tell since I'm bias, I don't like military stuff.
Scarlet is pretty much the only Joe I give half a care for.

>>87848910
>>87848957
Sandstorm is also still alive.

>>87850357
First Impactor would have to spring him from jail. I'm not sure if he'd be Impactors boy or not. I guess so, he was just murdering Cons after all.

>>87850957
He was horrified by what Impactor did and thought he and all of the other Wreckers deserved to be punished for just letting it happening, so I doubt it.

>>87850079
>I'm just passing time in the Joe parts until I get to more Cobra shenanigans. I'm not even usually that overly focused on the villains, is this normal for G.I. Joe? I suspect it is but it's kinda hard to tell since I'm bias
Yes this sadly the norm which is part of why people are hyped for the new Joe. He might actually make the Joes fun to watch for once. Snake-Eyes is entertaining though.

But yeah, Cobra will always be more fun since they're a bit more out there. IDW Destro is fantastic.

>>87851037
I can see him being Impactors boy given he was taking care of the Cons the system otherwise was failing to capture since most of them were committing crimes on Cybertron anyway beyond just what they did in the war.

But Sandstorm definitely wouldn't see Impactor as his boy. Maybe, MAYBE, if he frees him and convinces him that now is the time to make up for all their past actions by committing all new atrocities in the name of what is right. Sandstorm is kind of messed up in the head from all he's been through so he might agree to it.

But tell me that doesn't sound like a major plot hook when someone finally talks some sense into Sandstorm or at least reignites his hatred for what the Autobots did during the war.

>>87851238
But is IDW Destro anyone's avatar?

>>87851238
>Snake-Eyes is entertaining though.
Unfortunately he's a bit too forced for me. He comes off like bad fanwank at times. Plus so far his story has amounted to barely winning a fight and the fact he only barely won caused him to lose all his self worth and he abandoned the Joes completely to go off for some painfully dated stereotyped Eastern martial arts training of the spirit.

>IDW Destro is fantastic.
I was a bit shaky on him at first since the "Scottish" dialogue would oscillate between alright and painful (though admittedly they tone it down for Destro himself in comparison to his lackeys and generally comes of fine for him). But being Scottish still did definitely give him points.
He did spend a lot of v1 out of his depth and I did want to see more from him actually being cunning. The second they dropped him in the gulag he became pretty GOAT. Plus nearly killing a guy for calling him English did a lot for me.
At this point he's easily my favourite so far.

>>87851713
I need to check out the pre-Transformer GI Joes. Guess I should find a torrent.

>>87851808
If you mean the IDW stuff I put it in the MEGA since it's not technically related:
(2005-) IDW > Other > G.I. Joe (Pre-Revolution)

Then it's split into 4 folders for each of the seasons.

I left out the stuff that wasn't part of the mainline continuity. So it's missing the Marvel continuation, Future Noir Special, Live Action tie-ins, Deviations, and both the Street Fighter an Danger Girl crossovers. Everything else should be there though.
(I'm trusting Wikipedia's word that Street Fighter isn't in continuity with IDW's main stuff, and I'm just guessing for Danger Girl since neither Wikipedia nore Joepedia even acknowledge it exists.)

Space on the MEGA is starting to get tight though, we've got a little buffer room but it's gonna fill up faster than it used to thanks to a shared universe now. So when push comes to shove the pre-Revolution G.I.Joe stuff is gonna be the first thing to go.

>>87851965
>since it's not technically related
>not
Meant "now".

>>87851965
I'll check it out. I saw some of the folders were otherwise empty.

>>87852087
Hmm? That should only have been the cases if you just so happened to check while I was still uploading issues.

Let me know if anything appears to still be missing.

>>87852087
Actually wait, did you mean some of the folders in:
(2005-) IDW > Hasbro Universe?

If so it's because most of them haven't had an issue out yet, but I put the folders up now to save me the effort later and it helps me remember which books to watch for.

So far in Hasbro Universe the folders that are meant to be empty are
G.I. Joe
M.A.S.K.
Revolutionaries
Lost Light
Optimus Prime

Since they're still to debut. Everything else should be up to date though.


The older IDW stuff I sorted separately just because I didn't like having the G.I. Joe stuff stretch that far back before Revolutions in the Hasbro Universe folder. Jem was recent enough it seemed silly to split it up though, especially when it's still a single ongoing.

>>87852194
Yep, checked Hasbro Universe first.

>>87846293
Why do people keep posting outdated versions of this?

>>87853226
Because apparently that's the most current they had? You didn't exactly step up and post the newest version.

>>87853304
Nobody will click on that update link. A 4chan poster going to tumblr? IT'S A TRAP!

>>87853226
Everything is dated in the MEGA (well to within a year), so there's at least that to help people somewhat when they go past the rec image.

Plus to be fair when they're done with what's covered there I think it's fair to expect they can more or less find their way.

>>87852194
>G.I. Joe
>M.A.S.K.
>Revolutionaries
>Lost Light
>Optimus Prime
Any news yet on what is getting delayed next?

>>87854764
This week:
Jem And The Holograms #21
Rom #5
Transformers Till All Are One #5

G.I. JOE A Real American Hero #234
But that won't be added the the MEGA

Next Week:
M.A.S.K. Mobile Armored Strike Kommand #1
Optimus Prime #1
Revolution #5 (Of 5)


I generally read so many comics each week I always have loads each Wednesday so I don't really notice how long it is between most series.
Though there is one series I really feel the wait between issues sometimes. But it's Doctor Who, not TF, sorry TFbros.

>>87854764
>>87854922
To clarify that's what will be coming out this week and next, not any actual delays. I don't really keep track of delays since like I said I always have plenty to read.

>>87854922
>M.A.S.K.
I wanted to like that because the concept seems cool and both Miles and Vanessa look like fun villains but ughhh the Revolution tie in was soooooo boring.

>>87850079
Yep it kind of always has been like that Cobra and the Dreadnoks are always fun and they steal the spotlight.

Serpentor is the only one I despise out of the villains and the only time I liked him was in thay Joe/TF crossover where they made him out of Megatron into SerpentOR since that added depth to him other than being this angry asshole who was made out of tyrants.

That said Renegades made the Joes interesting to me as characters, even Duke who is usually the blandest of bland characters has a personality in that cartoon. The Marvel Joe comic also makes them interesting.

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>>87841565
>No Prime
>No Cybertron games
I agree with those 2 but these are the 4 top tier Transformers series
tfw we'll never get a 3rd game because Activision put High Moon on CoD DLC for the rest of their life

>>87855617
Prime is for masochists that like getting disappointed every-time a potentially good idea is wasted

>>87855349
I might try some of those out anon thanks. Well the the IDW crossover ongoing I was always gonna read anyway, but the others I wasn't gonna get to before now.

I'd always been kinda opposed to G.I. Joe in concept so I'd always tried to avoid reading it beyond the TF crossovers.

Then Revolution triggered my OCD too much to carry on avoiding it after all this time.
I'm even kinda sad on some level how much I'm loving Cobra.


How's the original G.I. Joe cartoon? I know people were saying upthread it was silly but fun, but I'm curious specifically about Cobra in it. If each episode sort of paints it they're just a nuisance the Joe's easily dispatch each ep like G1 TF often was I'm not sure I'd dig that.

>>87855636
Tfw like Animated and Prime about similar.

>>87855636
Same could be said for Animated since both Starscream and Megatron did fuck all except stand around and look cool. Starscream did slightly more but it was largely pointless, we really needed to see more actual fighting from both of them.

>>87855720
>How's the G.I Joe cartoon
Fun, silly, and entertaining.
But yeah Cobra is easily dispatched but usually not in an incredibly disappointing way. Cartoon Cobra Commander in particular is a best boy through and through. He's like a better and less annoying version of G1 Starscream.

Recommendation: "There's no place like Springfield!"
It's insane.

>>87855902
>He's G1 Starscream.
OH NO!

>a better and less annoying version
Actually that might work.

I'll check it out when I'm between shows sometime. Not sure when that'll be though, got a lot on my to do right now. Plus still 3 series of TF left to go, not counting Beast Wars Neo.

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>>87846293
2nd Nov. version of the guide, in case anyone wanted it. I started out with Phase 2 and haven't regretted it so far.

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>>87841821

Thats what good animation, a decent story, and a fucking awesome voice cast and soundtrack do for you.

>people advocating skipping anything

Everything from the IDW stuff is referenced at some point. Knowing it helps. And besides, if you're just fuckin' pirating comics off the net, why not read it? At worst, you'll kill another hour of time reading something.

>>87858774
You've never been truly frustrated or narratively blueballed if you talk like that.

>>87858857

Different people enjoy different things. And if they're pirating comics anyway might as well read them all. Not like it's costing them anything.

>>87858291
Imagine Revolution wasn't just a Hasbro thing and IDW had free reign to combine any of their stuff, what of IDW's would you most want to see TF get combined with?

I'd have loved Godzilla suddenly running around in his world, and I'd kill for a TMNT and TF crossover.

I also adore the Rocketeer but I don't really think there's a lot I'd get out of a TF team up from him. I think I'd like to see him interact with some of the other Hasbro stuffs though.

>>87858774
Time is precious anon... I mean not my time I dump that into watching, reading and playing some terrible things for completions sake, but some people's time is.

>>87858902

I think the things that would work best for TF crossovers are anything from space. GI Joe suddenly popping up out of literally fucking nowhere is a bit jarring. "lol they were out fighting turrists while the world was being BURNED TO THE FUCKING GROUND BY MEGATRON AND BILLIONS ARE DEAD" is pretty fucking hard to swallow. ROM's Dire Wraith's suddenly being a player in the world at large is also a bit odd, but ROM and the Wraiths themselves could've easily existed in the universe without "messing" with anything until they hit Earth.

>>87858951
Hey terrorists are a big deal anon, more important than some goofy robots FROM SPACE.

Yeah they really should have had a merging universes story that allows the histories to both still happen even though contradicting at that point. It's not even like ridiculous science like that is out of place for TF, and even the little G.I. Joe I've read it's not too out there. Plus sharing a universe their levle of science crazy now has to be shared regardless.

>>87858985

Yeah. I mean, I like the potential for crossovers it now brings, but I do think it actually puts GI Joe in kind of a bad place since they're usually more traditional in terms of military shit, and now they've gotta adapt to giant mecha playing wargames all over their planet over glowing space rocks that they eat.

That one of them planted on their planet millions of years ago, in a bid to collapse the whole universe into a singularity to power their home planet.

They just feel really outclassed.

>>87859015
Oh not to mention Infestation made it explicit the TF and G.I. Joe universes were separate in that. Not that it really matters though. Plus since I haven't read it all yet, it's totally possibly the G.I. Joe stuff from Infestation was easily separable from IDW's main G.I. Joe continuity in a way TF Infestation wasn't (even if that wasn't the intent at the time).

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>>87855720
If you don't like the military aspect then Renegades will be perfect since it was more of an A-Team type of thing and it strays away from the military concept, as a matter in fact the dynamic of Cobra and GI Joe is different in this cartoon.

Here's a link with all the episodes, they aren't many and this cartoon only had one season.

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0BzuMJ3VIVPj_U1BaVS1oZHRESUk

As for the original cartoon, IMO it was better than G1 mainly because the Joe cartoon had some episodes that were really well written and it had a more coherent plot.

It also ranged from very dumb and silly episodes to episodes that were dark in tone so there was some variety.

Cobra gets dispatched although not as easily as the Decepticons were by the Autobots and the Joes sometimes have to work to stop them because Cobra has good legal representatives with Tomax and Xamot which often made cobra untouchable and the Joes had to find other ways to stop them.

Also Cobra's plans consisted of fucking up the weather, pyramid schemes, world domination, restructuring the US economy, fucking with the Joes, they varied.

>>87855902
>"There's no place like Springfield!"
One of the most fucked up episodes, I really rec that one as well.

>>87856051
CC was definitely better than Starscream and very entertaining when he went on a rant, if there is someone you'll hate it's Serpentor (he comes on later on and takes CC's position) that guy had zero to no redeeming qualities IMO.

>>87859036

The upside is maybe we'll see GI Joe go back to the crazy lasers from the 80's show. They can toss that right in and say "this is what a bloated military budget can do" or something, and boom.

Lasers.

Plus then they can have Cobra steal the design specs, and begin handing out laser rifles to every two bit shithole.

>>87859077
>A-Team
FUCKING SOLD!

>>87859077
>Also Cobra's plans consisted of fucking up the weather, pyramid schemes, world domination, restructuring the US economy, fucking with the Joes, they varied.

TF had some pretty weird and varied plots too though.

They were both great cartoons for their day.

>>87858902
Not just Hasbro? Does Judge Dredd count? Can you imagine Optimus and the rest arriving on Mega City One? Optimus would be horrified.

>>87858951
Judging from Mainframe's comment about Soundwave killing some of his friends it looks like some of the Joes were fighting Decepticons while AHM happened, plus most of the IDW Joe stuff happened during that period when both the Decepticons and Autobots were away from Earth.

What was weird for me was when it was mentioned in Action Man that England got spared from the Decepticon takeover, did Megatron not give a shit about England? I thought he would wreck all of the major countries of the world.

>>87859160
I want to believe he didn't give enough of a shit about the isles and just concentrated on central europe. Or the people in Action Man kept their stiff upper lip attitude about getting wrecked.

>>87859160
>Not just Hasbro? Does Judge Dredd count?
Yeah Dredd would count. Question was for basically anything IDW so them doing the US Dredd stuff makes it qualify.

>>87859160
>What was weird for me was when it was mentioned in Action Man that England got spared from the Decepticon takeover, did Megatron not give a shit about England?
You'd think, being an alien invader, the UK would be first on his list. That seems to be how the Daleks, Cybermen, Zygons, Time Lords and just about any invading alien force operates. Hell even the Skrulls prioritised the UK one time for its magic.

>>87859232
Dr Who is british, of course the writers aim the danger at home to raise the stakes.

Hellboy/BPRD, now that's a proper wholesale destruction of the world. Now awkward first starts, individual horrors all over the world culminating in terror.

>>87841546
Armada

>>87859232
Well, obviously there isn't a temporal rift under Cardiff in this universe.
>>87859160
>What was weird for me was when it was mentioned in Action Man that England got spared from the Decepticon takeover, did Megatron not give a shit about England? I thought he would wreck all of the major countries of the world.
England is pretty small potatoes compared to America, China or Russia. He probably ignored it on the basis of how small it was.

>>87860060
>He probably ignored it on the basis of how small it was.
Clearly it was just because Megs was too scared to fight Brian Blessed.

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>>87860515

End

Use this reading order with Death of Optimus Prime before reading mtmte 1 and RID 1; and The Transformers: Drift before mtmte 1; "Spotlight: Kup", " All Hail Megatron " 15a and "Spotlight: Drift" before LSotW; Also add and "Autocracy", "Primacy", "Monstrosity" and "The Transformers: Megatron Origin" sometime before mtmte 28.

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>>87846261
Because they're literally unwatchable unless you're a small child.

IDW is the only significant Transformers continuity designed to appeal to adults.

>>87846370
>IDW is shit
>Muh halfassed toy-commercial children's cartoons are better than a long-running comics continuity with actual depth and three dimensional characters.
'tism

>>87859160
>England got spared from the Decepticon takeover, did Megatron not give a shit about England? I thought he would wreck all of the major countries of the world.
Dr.X seemed to hint the reason for that was probably due to some negotiating or something in general with the Decepticons. She just brought it out of nowhere after discussing how she's always behind things.

>>87860750
I've seen this before and I can tell you, I'll never do that.

>>87861025
> "I'm always behind things, remember the Decepticons? They didn't attack England because of ME!"
I wonder what kind of baubles she offered the shmuck responsible for dealing with England, if it was just for like a month so she could cobble a weapon together, and if he got in trouble for that.

>>87860522
I know people were angry about this when this was posted the first time, but I kind of like the generational conflict here. If that "Amarill, Texas" is worse than "Jasper, Nevada" that guy could be your local neighborhood watch guy who's just slightly out of the loop, but has grown up with the Joes (if he's around 40, he was around 10 in the 80s). The kid meanwhile doesn't look older than 14/15, and there hasn't been anything major Joe related in that time except that movie, which bombed.

>>87861381
Except in IDW the Joes weren't formed until... what, 2000? 2002? And they only went public in volume 3, which was set in ~2013.
I do like the idea that MP3 is just this one 80's throwback weirdo who none of the other Joes know what to do with, though.

>>87861433
Does the writer know that? Because only with my meta explanation I made sense of that scene... the kid would be a pre-teen when the Joe's came public, but hell, he'd have witnessed AHM as kid as well, and he knows Zoids, so I guess I should thinking about it and wait till the issue comes out and see how it unfolds.

>>87860299

I'm very tired of this.

Can this end already?

>>87861631
>Does the writer know that?
He goddamn should have. I haven't read any of IDW GI Joe and I know it, because I at least am willing to read up on what it's like. I'm not even writing for it.
>>87861651
>Not liking Optimus giving an impassioned speech about standing together, only for everyone to keep beating each other up
I think you might be a faggot.

Anyway, Ian and Kup when?

>>87858291
Thanks!

>>87861683
I can appreciate the meta joke, but it'd have been better to learn also more about the Joes. Guess you should aim to become an editor at IDW, because they need a more pernickety oversight.

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>>87841546
Not necessarily a start, but the game Transformers:Devastation is very fun and short in the looks of G1, and repeats a lot of concepts featured in the original show. Further down the line, the games War for Cybertron and Fall for Cybertron have been mentioned as the only other good TF games as well.

>>87855783
Megs and Starscream were both a tad overpowered in Animated, though. That was the whole point, that the Optimus' team was a ragtag rookie group incapable of taking on the Decepticons, but they manage to do it anyways with their wits rather than physical strength. Megs sorta had to be more of a puppetmaster-esque villain for it to work otherwise he would've slaughtered them. And personally I liked that, because its different from all the other interruptions of them where they just fight every other week.

Also, something that always bothered me with Prime was, Megs has a frickin' ARMY, and doesn't do jack shit with them. Understandably they're battle droid tier incompetent, but still. He could've easily made multiple distractions using them to blow up Earth shit to force the Autobots to go stop them and rescue humans, while he goes and finds the episodic macguffin.

That's another thing I like about Animated over Prime, was there felt like there was a legitimate reason for both the Bots and Cons to be on Earth, because we see Megs crash their ship in the pilot, so we know they're both stranded on Earth, whereas in Prime, we have to accept the war was so frickin' bad that it wiped out practically all life on Cybertron, hence why we only get certain characters sprinkled throughout the show. Animated felt more realistic in the sense that Optimus' team was sent from a flourishing Cybertron on this shitty mission which ultimately turns out to be their greatest adventure. It feels more relatable than, "big war, bad stuff, now more bad stuff". And I loved the idea of a heavily populated Cybertron controlled by Autobots, while the Cons are like the Sith from ep1 and are thought to be long extinct because they're been banished throughout the stars. Dare I say, the lore is deeper? The idea of the Autobots fleeing to Earth after some big vague war is boring and obviously made so that they don't have to make more character models of all the inhabitants on Cybetron.

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>>87860324
We already got the five page preview of this the other day.

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>>87846261
>Unicron trilogy
Shut the fuck up, that shit is the Actual Worst
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TlWJuDvbKs

>>87841546
Why do you stupid fucks ask this question on every board?

THE ANSWER
IS ALWAYS
P R O D U C T I O N
O R D E R

>>87850079
>Most of the way through IDW G.I. Joe v1 and I feel like I'm just passing time in the Joe parts until I get to more Cobra shenanigans. I'm not even usually that overly focused on the villains, is this normal for G.I. Joe? I suspect it is but it's kinda hard to tell since I'm bias, I don't like military stuff.
>Scarlet is pretty much the only Joe I give half a care for.
Don't feel bad, I feel that way too. Cobra are naturally more compelling to watch because they have internal conflicts - the power trio of CC, Destro and The Baroness double and triple-crossing one another, the twins and Dr. Mindbender often have schemes of their own, and then there're the shitkickers like the Dreadnoks. Plus, they have way cooler uniforms and gear.

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>>87864049
Made me chuckle, worst answer yet.

>>87864049
>P R O D U C T I O N
>O R D E R
F U L L
R E T A R D

>>87855349
I just wanted to say that you have truly based taste.

>>87855720
>Well the the IDW crossover ongoing I was always gonna read anyway, but the others I wasn't gonna get to before now.
It's not the IDW TFs vs. G.I. Joe crossover. It's the third volume of Devil's Due's G.I. Joe vs. TFs crossovers, written by Tim Seeley.

>>87841546
Read it all faggot

>>87864104
>>87864121
If you're a lazy piece of shit, maybe.

>>87863944
Cybertron is fun as fuck, man. Ransack and Crumplezone deserved better than to be forgotten.

>>87864360
> lazy
Sounds like someone who thinks that consuming media should be a job and not a hobby. You think I'm going to waste my time with bad stuff?

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>>87864104
>>87864121
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>>87864472
Tfw have genuinely powered through most franchises on production order.

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>>87864682
I don't wanna insult you for all the good you've done but... if the OCD rules you like that... maybe you could set up a blog or podcast with a patreon link to profit from this....

>>87864682
It's not like that's a specific problem. If people swing that way good on 'em. Good way to gain insights into how something evolves over time, etc.

But I wouldn't be like that guy earlier and demand EVERYONE do it. That's just silly. I like G1, for instance, but not everyone appreciates it and having them start at a place that won't catch their interest will increase odds they'll just drop out of the franchise. And nuts to the people who say if you can't handle G1 you don't deserve to be a fan. As I said, I like G1 but I'm not stupid enough to realize nostalgia plays a fair part in that.

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I just want to say that these russian TFP comics are a trip.

>>87864775
Heh, it's alright anon. I can and have overridden it when it's really been needed for some franchises. I'd have never been able to break into most US comics without doing so.
I've not felt the need a lot for Transformers though. I have a couple of times though for small things in TF like when I skipped over Robots in Disguise/CarRobots for a time.

Plus like >>87864857 says, I at least get seeing the franchise change over time which I appreciate a bit.

Also yeah, I agree that I don't expect others to do this. It's a silly notion.

There's one thing all TF fans agree: KISS Players is maximum fucktrocious. Look it up at your own risk

>>87841546
>Where should I start with the Transformers?
Yuusha-oh GaoGaiGar

>>87841546
IDW comics

>>87846370
>If you like this shit then if you dare venture onto the anime which at that point you can look up yourself, it's all awful and I regret having to suffer through it, but some people do like it and maybe you like overly Japanese crap
i fucking hate /co/ sometimes

>>87865446
Japanese-original Transformers is almost never good, man. Battle of the Star Gate is about the only exception.

Is it me, or are some characters kinda redundant?

I was thinking about it recently. Take Brainstorm. He's a wacky inventor who makes things that blow up. Don't we already have Wheeljack for that?

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>>87865813
Yes, but Wheeljack currently hangs out on Cybertron, and we needed a weapons guy on the LL... but now we also have Perceptor on this, as well as Nautica for the ship's engines. He's just kind of there nowadays to pine after Percy, another smart microscope, to soothe the wound Quark left him. Quark, who was designed after TFA Perceptor...
I don't think it's so much the type of the character ("wacky inventor") but also the traits of them - IDW Wheeljack feels more grounded and open, whereas BS is very secretive and also arrogant - and how the writer is using them (Wheeljack is busy on Cybertron, BS is just doing fuck all on the LL since his arc ended, until he had to cobble weapons together against the DJD).

The redundancy of characters is a given seeing how this franchise is directed by mandate to include new characters which are often similar to existing ones. Pic related.

>>87866221
True, but I mean overall. In the past 30 years of Transformers.

Even in Marvel it was redundant having them both.

FACT: Japan has made more good TF shows than America.
>America
Beast Wars
Beast Machines (depends who you ask)
Animated
Prime

>Japan
Headmasters
Masterforce
Victory
BWII
BW Neo

>>87866463
I don think Brainstorm is more redundant than a lot of other characters. Either characters matter a lot in the writing - mostly the main G1s here - or they're background filler.

>>87866506
I know you're doing it to start shit so please enlighten me, someone who hasn't watched a single TF anime, why I should give the ones you listed a shot.

>>87866506
As much as this post is probably just intending to rustle jimminies I don't wholly disagree.

I can't speak for Japanese Beast Wars yet and I'd definitely take away Beast Machines. But I agree with the rest.

I'd add in Rescue Bots. But I'd throw in Cybertron/Galaxy Force too to be fair so it stays about on balance.

>>87866622
>I know you're doing it to start shit so please enlighten me, someone who hasn't watched a single TF anime, why I should give the ones you listed a shot.
How much do you like any kind of anime anon? Because really it'll come down to how much you enjoy children's toy commercial animes.

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>>87866713
I was planning to give some of them a shot anyway, since I was curious about Armada Starscream and Sky Bite. As for your question, I like mostly the older animes nowadays... but I'm a sucker for JRPGs and their kitsch and tropes...

>>87859015
Well the cartoon was all sorts of crazy with sci-fi, eldritch creatures and aliens.

Hama's stuff was more grounded until a certain point and last I read (before he fucked over Snake eyes in the worst way) he had a weird plot with a giant robot and a giant eye inside the pit but I dunno where that went because I dropped that comic hard after that.

I feel like you can adapt GI Joe to all sorts of things, go crazy with the sci-fi or make it mild sci-fi or going full grim dark straight military like Resolution did (which I didn't like because I found it to be a bit edgy but damn did Resolute have the most intimidating Cobra Commander)

>>87866843
CarRobots (RiD) and Micron Legend (Armada) aren't the strongest entries. But I do like both.

CarRobots is probably comparable to Sunbow G1 in terms of overall quality and how much you dig it will come down to your like of the tropes found in those kind of anime. Like Optimus having a rocket punch type move that he yells out and stuff.
I watched the Japanese version though. For the Robots in Disguise version they try to cover up a lot of the Japanese-ness as best they can and it also comes from that motormouth era of anime dubbing where they fear for any moment a character isn't talking, so the English version always has someone saying something at any given second.

Armada I did watch dubbed rather than the Micron Legend version and that might have affected my opinion on it. It has some really strong subplots, especially the Starscream one. But it is hurt for me by poor voice acting from most characters and the plotting in the second half of the series. I suspect I'll like it more when I get around to the Micron Legend version though.

>I like mostly the older animes nowadays
When you say older, do you mean anime from the 70s and 80s or just late 90s and early 2000s stuff? (I'm always never sure when people say that).
If you dig 70s and 80s stuff Japanese G1 will probably work really well for you. It's one of my favourite eras of TF.

>>87860289
Can everyone in MASK use Optic blast?

>>87860299
Optimus looks like how my dad used to look when me and my bro were fighting about some dumb shit, it's the look of a dad who had enough.

>>87866922

>but damn did Resolute have the most intimidating Cobra Commander

I will have none of your CRAP! None of it. Work with me and in 24 hours I will give you the world. Oppose me and I will gut you like a fish. Right here.

>>87866843
Oh and CarRobots Convoy (Optimus) is voiced by Terry Bogard in the Japanese version if that's any incentive.

>>87861683
>Anyway, Ian and Kup when?
Wasn't Ian in that preview for ROM #5? I'm pretty sure both Kup and Ian will arrive for the end of Revolution, Barber loves Ian so there's no way he's not there.

>>87867153
Kup and Ian show up.
Rocks fall, Ian dies.
Kup looks down and says, "Kid, if there is one thing I've learned in my billions of years alive it's this: sell more copies of yer damn comic!"

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>>87861221
>I wonder what kind of baubles she offered the shmuck responsible for dealing with England, if it was just for like a month so she could cobble a weapon together, and if he got in trouble for that.

nb4 thats how Starscream got all of that Earth merchandise shown in panels every now and then like Jem CD's.

>>87866622
I'm not trying to rustle anything. Japanese TF gets a bad rap because of the shitty Unicron trilogy. Headmasters, Masterforce, and Victory are all EXCELLENT sequels to G1. Beast Wars II and Neo are not like BW at all, but are still really fun in their own right. I encourage you to watch all TF shows in production order, but skip Micron Legend, Super Link, and Galaxy.

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>>87841546
I see humanized TF all the time, but has there ever been more to it than one old TF classic episode where two of them became humans for a day?

>>87867908
Animated did a version of that.

>>87867807
Hey Galaxy Force is great, shoddy looking CG aside.

>Japanese TF gets a bad rap because of the shitty Unicron trilogy
Also worth keeping in mind those were the only Japanese series that were a collaboration and a lot of the overall series plotting of those series were done on the American side. Coincidentally Galaxy Force is the one Japan started ignoring what America were asking them to do and turned out the best of the 3.

>I encourage you to watch all TF shows in production order
I don't think that part is necessary. Watching them as they catch your fancy is fine. As long as you stick to order for the directly related ones. Also Neo doesn't even have any subs beyond that really shoddy job from years ago that only covers 5 eps.

>>87868080
Figures, one of the few I haven't watched yet.

>>87861381
>>87861433
If anything he would have grown up with Action Force, do the general public even know about Action Force? All we know is that at some point they fought Soundwave.

>>87861631
Pretty sure he doesn't care and thinks he's being clever or something, probably just saw a few of the Joe PSAs on youtube or the GI Joe Community episode. I've notice Brits don't necessarily have a lot of love for GI Joe (and if they do it's Action Force) they either mock it or tend to reinvent it as something more dark and brutal (like Warren Ellis with GI Joe: Resolute and Karen Traviss in his IDW The Fall of GI Joe run) and I can see why since the MURRICA military aspect isn't a very inviting one although just like Captain America if you look past that and into more modern version of the characters they are much more than that.

That said people should leave the GI Joe parodies to Jackson Publick and Doc Hammer, they really nailed it especially with Shore Leave, Sky Pilot, and SPHINX Commander.

>>87861651
I am tired of the fighting too although it made sense that Snake Eyes would attack ROM since he doesn't know about the Wraiths and in his eyes ROM killed Colton.

Acroyear attacking Snake Eyes is because Acroyear is fond of ROM and he's always itching for a battle, so the smallest provocation sets him off.

Trakker is to blame for this one, why the hell did he attack Optimus and not Karza? He even knew Miles helped Karza, I guess most of this shit will be cleared up once Scarlett arrives and then Optimus gets to tell everyone "I'VE TOLD YOU SO"

>>87867353
>Rocks fall, Ian dies.
Wyatt pls

>>87856051
I've always saw CC and Destro as Starscream and Megatron except that they are co-partners and Megatron lets Starscream think he calls the shots (until he gets annoyed with him anyway).

Although I don't see Megatron being OK with not having full control while Destro doesn't mind sharing it because he has free time to focus on his own company and making money, he is even OK with being number 2 if it allows him to make a profit.

Honestly Transformers vs GI Joe had the right idea when they paired Megatron and Destro, they would make the deadlier team, Starscream and CC would just ruin shit and try to fuck over each other.

>>87868330
>Watching them as they catch your fancy is fine.

Pretty much this, besides they all stand on their own anyway.

>>87869536
>I've notice Brits don't necessarily have a lot of love for GI Joe
It never aired here much (if at all when it was relevant, I wouldn't be surprised if it couldn't given UK censorship laws at the time) and the toys were rebranded as something else to help them sell too. "G.I. Joe" is way too out and out American and is seen to represent a kind of America that's not very favourably looked upon over here too.

>I can see why since the MURRICA military aspect isn't a very inviting one
Yeah pretty much this. G.I. Joe to us is usually seen as a kids show glorifying the military and lethal weapons, with an overly patriotic vibe about G.I. Joe "A Real American Hero" and his troop fighting every week to protect the FREEDOM of the USA the most FREE country in the world while their FREEDOM is threatened every week by terrorists (it's pretty much always assumed the main character is called G.I. Joe, people are always surprised when told it's just the units name). The Action Man rebranding also pretty much removes the military angle, makes him more like say Solid Snake. (and most like MGS2 SS where he's a free agent working on his own terms).

In the way that a lot of American's say that kind of stuff online these days as a self aware joke, G.I. Joe was seen to be representing those same things to the same exaggerated degree but without it being intended as a joke.
All that said, it's not like the UK is unified in hatred and disdaine for G.I. Joe or anything, it's just seen as that weird American thing that's very American and we don't really give it much thought.

>>87870321
I wonder what they think about Ninjak?

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>>87870321
>their FREEDOM is threatened every week by terrorists
How dare they? COBRA is much more patriotic than those upstart Joes!

>>87870339
He's a bit too obscure for there to be any general opinion on him anon.

>>87870378
I can't stress how weird and alien to us American patriotism is viewed. Even in Scotland where patriotism is ridiculously high.
Though the vast majority of Scotland's "patriotism" is just defined racsim towards the English.

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>>87870499
>being Scottish
Weel dain, mukker. Especially if ye arenae frae Glasgee.

>>87870499
>racism towards the English.
And why is that bad? No one likes them, not even themselves.

>>87870549
Dundee.

>>87870587
Ah I was just commenting there's a lot more effort put into that than anything else.

>>87870499
>>87870339
>English ninja
>played by an American
Oh boy.

>>87869536
>or the GI Joe Community episode
Given that Swerve canonically watches Community, I wonder what the in universe equivalent of that episode was.

>>87870499
>Though the vast majority of Scotland's "patriotism" is just defined racsim towards the English.
Well, it's not like we don't deserve it.

>>87870321
I know Ellis said they asked him to do GI Joe Resolute and he went in not knowing shit about GI Joe and that he just went and did a quick research and then said he didn't much cared for it but went and did it anyway.

IIRC he did piss off a bunch a bunch of Joe fans with him killing a bunch of the characters and that unnecessary and weird Scarlett and Duke scene where she chooses him over Snake Eyes.

Heh, I wonder what an Ellis written Transformers would be like, Ellis loves sci-fi so he would do interesting shit on that front but it would still be AHM levels of edgy except with better dialogue.

>>87870499
I dunno but patriotism in the US, Mexico and some of the Southern American countries is really high although yeah the US is weirder in the fact that they tend to plaster the flag EVERYWHERE.

>>87871094

Max Steel.

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Name my band.

>>87873043

The Optimus Prime Experience.

>>87869640
>Wyatt pls
Does he even know who Ian is? Ah forget it, who cares.

>>87870720
>Dundee.
Ah right, so you're actually Australian. Damn Scottish education system screwed over another wee bairn!

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>>87873043
You're getting Primus Apotheosis! You're getting Primus Apotheosis! You're all getting Primus Apotheosis!

>>87873043
OP and the Fags.

>>87873043
Optimus And The Face Plates.

>>87873043

Optimus And the Literally Who's

>>87865446
Dude, even if you like anime, Transformers anime is fucking bottom-of-the-barrel. They have a glut of super robot shows over there, so they make TF shows aimed squarely at preschoolers and gag-dub the American shows to make them be for preschoolers. I wonder if Rescue Bots airs in Japan.

>>87873597
Yes and he specifically said in a tweet that he should die.

>>87873043
Till all are Optimus.

>>87877454
Well that's sad but a lot of people suffer from self worth problems. He should really call a suicide helpline, then.

Isn't there some new issues soon?

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Who is she?

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>>87878332
Yes. TAAO #5 tomorrow, with everyone vs. the Titans. Also ROM #5.

>>87878962
Nancy, maybe?

>>87878962

Wreck-garl. The female Wreck-gar.

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>>87870378
I can't get over how fucking sinister/WWII-Germany that Cobra get-up looks.

>>87855783
No we didn't, because then they end up looking pathetic as they did in Prime

>>87859077
I really wish Renegades had a proper "gi-joe vs cobra" second season

that evolution would have been neat to see

>>87879891
Animated Screamer was able to look pathetic all on his own anyway. Megatron never got to look pathetic because he never did anything so I guess thats a credit to him.

>>87880034
Well he got to be a chair for awhile. Part of him, anyway.

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>>87842270
>>87842654
Toei also did the GODLIKE prologue to the GI Joe movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ah2I166f_U

>>87880523
You know, given the resources Cobra put into that attack I cannot help but feel that maybe, just maybe, if they'd invested some of their money in a missile or cannon or big ass blue laser for their airship instead of just propping a bomb on ol' Lady Liberty it would have been a lot more effective.

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>>87880523

Why don't we get animation that good anymore? Fuck, this actually makes me angry and sad at the same time.

>>87880585
Standard Cobra mission. The Twins probably had a shitload of parachutes mildewing in one of Extensive Enterprises many warehouses and convinced Cobra Commander that it would look super intimidating to go in with paratroopers instead, then sold him the lot.

>>87880643
It's not like the show normally looked like that.

>>87880655

True, but shit, shows could at least pretend to try and look good.

>>87880643
Because
>[Transformers The Movie] was budgeted at $6 million, six times greater than the budget used to create 90 minutes of the regular cartoon series.[2]
>The film's final box office gross was $5,849,647 which made it the 99th highest-grossing movie of 1986.[3]
>Hasbro lost US$10 million on the combined poor performance of this, and their previous collaboration with De Laurentiis Entertainment Group (DEG), My Little Pony: The Movie.[14] It also forced the producers of these films to make G.I. Joe: The Movie a direct-to-video release instead of theatrical, as well as scrap a Jem film then in development.

>>87880643
Because even bottom-of-the-barrel tv quality flash animation costs $30,000 per minute and cel animation is much, much more expensive than that.

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>>87880667
>Because even bottom-of-the-barrel tv quality flash animation costs $30,000 per minute

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>>87880688
And even that is cheaper than 3D animation... Never forget friends, show production is a team effort and each individual member has to be paid.

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>>87841546
I got started as a kid, and this was my path:

Beast Wars -> Beast Machines -> Beast Wars -> Beast Wars -> G1 -> G1 Movie -> 2007 Movie -> Animated -> every release since

I have no idea what to recommend, but I was in a similar situation with a different franchise.

My first Star Trek exposure was the 2009 movie. Before that, I had just seen commercials for shit like Star Trek Enterprise which looked super nerdy and off-putting, but the 2009 movie wasn't like that at all, and instead of putting me off, it made me want to find out more about Star Trek.

My chief interest was in finding out what made Star Trek so popular, so the best option for me was to go to the source of it all, Star Trek TOS, because if that show didn't have the magic, then Star Trek wouldn't exist today.

You could take a similar approach to Transformers and watch The Transformers (now known as G1), which was the original series.

>>87873043
This is just a Frankface edit.

>>87881446
RIP

>>87842009
>it'd be even rougher watching G1 AFTER those.
I think watching Beast Wars first actually increased my enjoyment of G1, because Beast Wars really put G1 on a pedestal and got me interested in watching it.

But maybe OP has seen one of the movies already and is already interested in who Optimus Prime, Megatron, etc were. In which case, there's no need to delay.

>>87842789
It's contrarian to like Furman. He's a fucking idiot.

>>87873043
>Reconstruction

It would be nice to think that Cybertron will FINALLY be rebuilt. Oh god, didn't the Dinobots discover that some of the hot spots on the planet were reactivating? Imagine if some of those zombie Titans are carrying sparks, same as the colony ships did. They could rain babies when defeated and end up giving birth to a whole new generation of Cybertronians...whose first step will be fixing all the broken shit on the planet.

Why not? Worked for TFP.

>>87881531
Most I'm aware of with him was his tirade due to how, I think it was Scott?, she said something about female Transformers and Arcee that he took way too personally. Tirade may be overstating it but he definitely took the fight public. Supposedly they met and worked shit out.

>>87881565
To be fair, Furman does have this weird thread of Scott Adams/Dave Sim-like hatred of women that runs through most of what he writes, so I'm siding with Mairghread on that one.

>>87841821
Like every other movie, the animation is great, but the story is lackluster.

The best I can say about the movie is that it's iconic. It introduced a lot of characters and concepts (lore) that are still around today. Also, it's an honest attempt at a movie. The story more or less follows a conventional structure, whereas the Bay movies just kind of go from scene to scene and are an honest attempt at spectacle.

As far as the content of the story goes, is the G1 movie emotional? Is it inspiring? Does it evoke some kind of feeling or awe? To me, it mostly falls flat.

>>87881565
Yes, that female transformers thing was another nail in his coffin, but I started disliking Furman after I discovered that he wrote the Beast Wars finale. He pissed me off by making the "Covenant of Primus" and making everyone read Bible quotes out of it. I hate that kind of lore, and it made perfect sense that would champion other dumb ideas like his anti-women ones.

>>87878984
UNF from the shoulders down.

>>87878984
Nice. Would like to see this artist do Nautica.

>>87881948
She has drawn Nautica, actually. Fanart, though.
Fanart of her getting fucked by Skids, if you're into that.

>>87881713
>The story more or less follows a conventional structure, whereas the Bay movies just kind of go from scene to scene and are an honest attempt at spectacle.
Yeah... this is, honestly, why I actually prefer the Bay movies. Even if TFTM is well-drawn and animated, it's still kind of lackluster and not very ambitious, while the Bay movies are at least a very entertaining series of vignettes of Stuff Blowing Up (with some humans in between).
They're both kind of bad plotwise.

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>>87881948
How about this?

>>87865813
I would much rather have a Brainstorm and a Wheeljack than 2 Wheeljacks. Why do you want 2 Wheeljacks?

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>>87882095

>>87882199
Man, this movie really fuckin' let me down when I rewatched it. I thought it was going to be great based on very very faded memories of it.

The TAAO #5 storytime is over here
>>87882024
>>87882024

>>87863207
>We already got the five page preview of this the other thread.
ftfy


Thread link?

>>87882051
>Fanart of her getting fucked by Skids, if you're into that.
s-sauce?

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>>87882051
W-With consent?

>>87882083
Well eitherway Bayformers will always be treated as less than the 90s series, or be denounced as a troll for comparing the two and putting Bay in a higher light.

>>87883431
Technically not, since she's drunk, but it seems like she initiated it.
http://zr18.tumblr.com/post/140887088959/she-was-drunk-and-she-went-to-skids-room-skids

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>>87883659
She was pretty sexy back when she was half-canon drunk.

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>>87881565
>It would be nice to think that Cybertron will FINALLY be rebuilt.
Reconstruction has nothing to do with that, it's on all of the post-Revolution books, Transformers or not. It's just the name for the post-Revolution status quo.

>>87883702
She usually is.

>>87883659
l-lewd

>>87883765
It's not that that wasn't clear. REvolution, REconstruction. The point, I think, was hoping they'd actually do some actual reconstruction, regardless of damage done by this one event or the Titans event to come that had its origins earlier to damage they did four million+ years ago.

>>87887952
They apparently want to rebuild Kaon next. Iacon needs rebuilt - AGAIN - after Sentinel and Bruticus.

Seriously, swear to god, they never get shit done because what they built keeps falling over if anyone so much as glares at it.

>>87883659
> that holoCyclonus/Whirl
HNNNGH

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>>87883702
Whirl getting the panicked bird-neck is so adorable.

>>87889423
For some reason I never got around to reading the holiday special until today. Fun stuff.