What defines good animation?

>>87804896
animation that isn't bad

>>87804896
It's gotta be aesthetic.

It depends.

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>>87804907
Would this be considered good animation then?

>>87804951

Flame of Recca. Its Yuyu Hakusho tier

>>87804977
That water fountain could be better.

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>>87804896
Reminder that Baki is getting a new OVA with good animation.

I know OP's webm isn't Baki.

If you want to talk about anime animation, go to >>>/a/.

>>87805003
So it's amazing?

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>>87805080
This applies to western animation as well.

The ability to convey fluidly/accurately in an aesthetically pleasing manner I guess. Though it probably all depends on what you're animating
>>87804977
Whatever that bar thing is beautiful The sun glass reflection looks cool but the animation was likely very simple but I suppose that isn't bad in itself. It just wasn't difficult to pull off. That girl running is shit.

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>>87805025
>>87805112
What about this then?

>>87805156
It's good, but still has stuff like when the glass on the first building breaks, you can see that the windows glass is still there as well as having shards flying off.

>>87805156
Yeah that's gorgeous.

>>87805110

>Turn a couple feet of rope into several dozen yards of rope

Impressive

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>>87805195
>>87805197
And lastly, what about this? It focuses more on character acting than anything else.

>>87804977
This animation isn't great. It has a "nicer" style and "cinematic" "camera" moves, but the animation is pretty basic.

Craftsmanship, quality, attention to detail, basically anything by Ghibli or Disney.

>>87805256
Yeah it's good.

>>87805256
R O T O S C O P E D
Probably.

>>87805309
Rotoscoping isn't the problem, it's what you do with it.

>>87805309
>that
>rotoscoped
nigga

>>87805256
It's good animation, for the girl.
But look in the background. Completely motionless. You see the 2 people inside the store don't move at all.

>>87804896
wow that's so weightless :/

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>>87805374
How is it weightless?

>>87805413
He's meming you dolt. Look at the emoji.

Appropriately-weighted movement and consistent character models.

>>87805478
>consistent character models
But going off model was popular in animation back in the 40s and 50s.

>>87805478
>AKA only anime counts as good animation

>>87805526
>anime doesn't use inbetween smears
Riiiight.

>>87805413
That's good, but does use smears.

Why is every example you post /a/? You trying to mine crossboard bait?

>>87804977

The thing is people get won over by the simplicity of the actual animation. Anime uses a lot of tricks like moving around static images or putting most of the effort in a scene or two and then do a bunch of really low quality scenes. There's also prolonged staring and people standing completely still while talking, flashbacks (sometimes of a scene in the same episode), or reaction scenes involving minimal animation.

Anime is efficient and shifts around quality. Even Disk Wars did this a lot, they had a lot of well animated fight scenes and then basically paper cut outs flying around the screen.

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>>87805587
I don't have too many examples of good western animation on me atm

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>>87805512
Consistently on-model doesn't always mean completely on-model. It means still abiding by the design so that it remains recognizable and reasonably proportioned according to the art style.

Pic related.

>>87805478
If you're going for realism, sure.

>>87805607
Grab Thief and the Cobbler webms. That's usually one of the highest regarded /co/ works in terms of animation.

>>87805598
>like moving around static images
I noticed Ken Burns doing this all the time in his baseball and civil war documentaries. I never really thought about it before, but then it hit me.

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>>87804896
>Flame of Recca
Holy shit, it's like I'm 15 and discovered that manga is superior to anime

>>87805413
That guy is just flailing comically across the ground by the end of the webm, even though it's supposed to show him being seriously injured.

Although I do like that webm you posted, really reminds me of Steven Universe :)

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>>87804907
This guy may be onto something.

>>87805587
What's wrong with smears?

not by white people in 20ish years

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Christ, Hiroshimoot is killing /co/ with these post timers.

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>>87805660
How the fuck do I learn to animate like this?

>>87805607
Bob Clampett's era of Looney Tunes didn't really have good animation. Fluid, yes, but also directionless and needlessly spastic.

Chucks Jones knew this and corrected it by using frames for both subtle and exaggerated actions so that the delivery of jokes would have more build-up and impact.

>>87804896
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_basic_principles_of_animation

>>87804977
Animation-wise, absolutely not. There is very little to speak of here.

>>87805741

Years and years of training.

And I mean actual training, not whatever finger-painting passes in modern art schools. That little webm you posted took a team several months to make.

>>87805741

Draw pretty much every day for the rest of your life

>>87805713
Where was that scene from anon? I'm kinda interested in what you're showing.

>>87805754
Bob Clampett's era of Looney Tunes actually felt "looney" though.
Sure, the later areas are far more developed in terms of animation, more grounded into, but Clampett's was so off the wall that it's the best desu

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These were animated by a Jap, whose name I can never remember.

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>>87805754
>Bob Clampett's era of Looney Tunes didn't really have good animation. Fluid, yes, but also directionless and needlessly spastic.
>Chucks Jones knew this and corrected it by using frames for both subtle and exaggerated actions

Fucking this.
Anyone who's into judging this kind of stuff should watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHpXle4NqWI

Animation is not just about frame count but also discipline and restraint.

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>>87805816
No idea

>>87805839

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>>87805873

>>87805839
That scene was animated by Yoshinobu Michihata of TMS.

>>87805754
>Bob Clampett's era of Looney Tunes didn't really have good animation
>Fluid, yes, but also directionless and needlessly spastic

They made every frame worthwhile, for zany characters like Daffy Duck and Bugs Bunny (sans Jones) the ridiculous amount of movement and facial expressions fit the character.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDMQ3tXNKgM

>>87805741
They had a model do the movements in front of them and they used it as a reference.

Think of it as proto-MoCap.

Can someone post that anime scene of the rocket launching into space?

>>87805587
>That's good, but does use smears.

Nigga are you implying using smears is a bad thing?

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>>87805931
This?
I still can't believe that Anno animated this entire sequence by himself

>>87805741
You start and you dont stop
ever

>>87806098
>otaking_animation.webm

good staging, timing and spacing along with strong drawings >>>>> 'fluidity'

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does this count?

good acting is good animation.

whether its on 1s or 3s.

south park is well animated, fucking fight me.

>>87806195
you can't just post that webm and not tell who animated that scene

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Stop with all the anime.

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>>87806227
God I hope this is bait.

>>87806158
What about HOW character's move. Not fluidity. For example if they just make an undynamic body turn around vs subtly looking back, quickly move just their torso a little, and then actually do a full turn around complete with good ankle and joint turning?
Detail. Different from fluidity, not really timing either as it could have the same timing if desired, and not artstyle detail as you can have this with something as simple looking as BB and lack it in something as complex looking as KOTH. Not those actual shows, just detail examples.

>>87806195
>there are people who think Mistuo Iso is a good animator

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One that contain one hour of sine wave.

>>87806227
Mitsuo Iso

>>87806329
Yeah, he's a great animator.

>>87806359
okiura is better

>>87806382
That's a vastly different conversation.

What's the most ultra realistic and fluid animation out there?
I'm thinking of this black and white film about war made by one guy but I don't remember the name.

>>87806229

Dont blame them, America doesnt put effort into animation anymore

>>87806477
Probably this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5cmP-7xaGw

>>87805713
>>87805873

Looks like Adam and Dog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKuPLVNsZzY

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>>87805754
That is false, Clampett was a excellent director, 2nd only to Avery.

Anyway, this is the only webm I have.

>>87806587
why is tms so based

>>87806648
>YEEART

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who did the 101 dalmations show?

>>87805358
Yeah, its pretty terrible. Focusing too much one one thing and letting the rest go to shit just makes it look out of place and ruins it.

>>87806647
They're Termite Terrace 2.0, thats why.

>>87805918
I remember when this guy posted his first video on /co/ and now I watch it ever time a new one comes out, what a cool anon.

>>87806820
>warners bros. animation
>good

>>87805741
Why would you want too? Its honestly more effort than its worth.

Just to throw out an example; I find something like wander over yonder (Just an example, take your pick of just about any modern cartoon that puts effort into character design) a hundred times more interesting to look at with its more exaggerated characters following stretch and squish cartoon rules than some stiff "on model if the model was a real human" animation like this.

On top of that, just about every animation that was made in this format the characters have sameface almost to the degree of anime. Their "hair" is the only thing that sets them apart. Boring as hell.

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>>87807073
>being an actual competent animator isn't worth doing
Fuck you.

>>87805741
>>87807073

As an example look at >>87805740 just above your post and how much more interesting it is to watch.

>>87807173
There's a Moebius animation?

>>87807173
competent doesn't mean simply mirroring some model until your movements are as boring and slow as real life you fucking retard. You sound like one of those life drawing teachers you thinks doing an intricate drawing of a model is literally the height of artistic expression.

Why do a cartoon that literally just an animated copy of a human instead of just making a fucking movie. If you're going to animate at least try to be interesting.

>>87805156
shit like this and just about anything Gundam is cheating because it all rotoscoped from footage or CG models. Even as far back as the 80s, anime has been cheating with CG

>>87807300
Because you can make those characters do things that you can't do in film.
Also, you can make other things that aren't as realistic seem more appropriate in that world.
For instance, if I wanted to make a show where regular humans existed side by side with an alien, I'd either have to shell out for uncanny valley CG, or a prop that won't convince anyone. But with a cartoon, I can make both character look like they belong there organically.

>>87807386
That animation wasn't rotoscoped though.

>>87807456
Yeah, and you can exaggerate it and actually have fun with cartoon physics instead of making it loo like stiff garbage like the animation in question.

I have no idea how you think that doesn't look like bland dogshit.

>>87806265
>god I hope people not being completely informed on everything is bait
when will this meme end

>>87806229
nigga stop looking at it as anime that's not the point of this thread, we are looking at the animation. and stop with this
>animes aren't cartoons hurr durr
yes they are you fucking weeb.

>>87807531
This animation >>87806265 is better than anything from WOY though.

>>87805740
Amazing. They managed to take a decent animatic and make it look like fucking garbage in the final product.

>>87806492
And it's not like they're incapable if they try. I don't know what cultural or economic differences led to the gap in quality from the average western cartoon to the average anime but it's honestly sad. I just want someone to go balls to the walls and put in the money and talent to make the west's answer to One Punch Man or Mob Psycho. I just want new examples of crazy ass moments of superb animation to talk about on /co/.

https://sakugabooru.com/data/4973bd4b88f26fdf69e638b707d13307.mp4

https://sakugabooru.com/data/08bd87dc087e702bd92e9b5aa7033451.mp4

https://sakugabooru.com/data/fa965f1931a1f75b238907fe0dfd1d51.mp4

>>87807684
I just used WOY as an example of exaggerated animation. The movements in that are nice, but I still feel like cartoons that have fun with inbetweens and exaggerated characters are a lot more fun and practical.

Hell, an aspiring animator could get good enough to make their little animations doing that, but an animator who wants to do stuff like this is never going to be anything more than a cog in an animation team.

Like I originally said; its not worth the effort... well unless you LIKE spending a stupid amount of time working on a few seconds of animation for a larger product.

>>87807531
Because not everything needs to look like a looney tune cartoon?
If I want to make a space opera but don't have the funds to cast 100 real people and construct fifty sets and space ships, making a cartoon instead is way easier (and cheaper). Why should I as a creator have to bend to your will just because you like looking and colorful blobs?
Why wouldn't you want both styles to exist? So that people can have both? Why would you force all animation to be just one thing?

>>87807746

Western animations is far too interesting in compromising quality for the sake of diversity, and any attempts to bring light to this issue are met with cries of >>>/pol/

>>87807826
What really matters is how many people you want to watch your "space opera" and what style you could get away with using without losing that number of viewers.

>>87807912
I'd watch a space opera if the animation and writing is good.
LoGH is a good example of it.

>>87807647
Yeah, and I'd rather talk about WESTERN cartoons on the WESTERN CARTOON board. If I want to talk anime, I'll go to /a/.
I suggest you do the same.

>>87807826
Are you fucking stupid? You don't have to make shit look like looney tunes; their are a plethora of modern cartoons that all have their own distinct style and plenty manage to tell things that aren't slapstick looney tunes jokes.

Also, the reply that started this was saying its not worth it for an individual animator to aspire to that if they ever wanted to create something that is THEIRS.

For the millionth time; those kind of animators are a dime a dozen and are just cogs on an animation team. If people WANT to do that, they can, but I wouldn't ever want to recommend it to an individual that could aspire to an actual unique style and want to go on to do their own stuff.

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>>87807881
What does diversity have to do with animation quality?

>>87807970
>LoGH
?

>>87807826
Wait yo...you actually think you can get away with that classic Disney style of animation and its cheap and easy? Those take sweatshops of animators rofl.

>>87808028
Its a shame such great animation got used on such a stupid fucking project.

>>87808043
Lurk two more years on 4chan before posting again.

>>87808021
>good animators are dine a dozen
No?

>>87808083
Suck a cock

This thread is getting too retarded even for me.
Y'all have some awful opinions on this shit.

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>>87804896
>>87805630

I wish more people where into Recca. you guys are muh nigs

>>87808121
Maybe I will.
At least I know what LoGH is, though.

>>87808082
Yeah. This is actually nice to look at and a lot of time is spent on detail. Aspire to this, not that stiff classic disney shit.

>>87808043
Log Horizon. The other guy was a being a cunt for no real reason.

>>87808189
Not that Anon but are you fucking kidding me? It's Legend of the Galactic Heroes

>>87808121
see >>87808260

You're welcome

>>87805862
That was fun and worth watching.
Thank you kind sir.

>>87804896
THAT'S NOT HOW ABS WORK

>>87808534
He has super abs. His abs are so ripped that he just has abs on his abs so he can twist his torso with the might of a thousand suns.

>>87808082
You reminded me of The Boondocks.

Now that's a not a stupid or shitty show, by any means, but WHY does it have such high quality animation? It's baffling. It's just a comedy/satire show. Yet it looks better than any action cartoons of the past decade, avatar, korra, thundercats etc

>>87808745
>but WHY does it have such high quality animation?

If you fund a Japanese animation studio with western money, you get whatever the fuck they can do, which is a lot.

>>87808088
Yeah, exactly, he has no clue what he's talking about.

>>87805920
Holy shit, thank you for introducing me to this. Too bad his videos aren't rendered properly, otherwise they'd look fucking amazing.

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>>87808745

>>87805766
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_basic_principles_of_animation
Some of these are debatable and not absolute, like exaggeration, appeal and secondary action.

>>87805309
as long as it looks good, It could have been made using dog shit and dark magic for all I care.

>>87808082
Maybe if it wasn't so great anyway it would be a shame.

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I might be thread de-railing a bit, but why do people hate motion capture so much? I mean, yeah, it looks terrifying in films like Mars Needs Moms, but Polar Express used it and for some reason they characters don't look too uncanny valley in that. Hell, some of the hobo scenes look almost like live-action to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxCkIlBvF-s

>>87809215
>but Polar Express used it and for some reason they characters don't look too uncanny valley in that
Opinions
I think Polar Express looked just as horrible.

>>87806098
Sauce?

>>87809215
Honestly I think it works in 3d animation, but for some reason in 2d it makes me want to punch the creator's dick off.

>>87805766
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_basic_principles_of_animation
pretty much this

>>87804896

How hard I get while watching it

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>>87809233
I mean yeah, it's all gonna be opinions.

But pic related looks FAR FAR WORSE than any of the characters in Polar Express, at least to me.

>>87809263
Motion capture 2d?

>>87809292
Sorry, I'm an idiot and I'm tired and rotoscopping has been mentioned too many times and I was thinking of that when I said 2d.

>>87807746
It just doesn't sell. There are no celebrity animators in the west, there are no inspirations for future generations.

I actually blame the comics code authority. If it hadn't been for them, animation might not be just for kids.

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>>87804896
Fluidity of movement and attention to detail are the main key.

Things that help are a natural feeling of weight and good use of camera angles and lighting.

>>87809321
Ah ok, no worries.
>>87809329
That scene had a real Flapjack feel to it.

>>87809292
the mocap actors were too exaggerated and unnatural

>>87809329
That seems like a rather narrow view.

I mean, I agree, but I feel that you can have good animation without those things.

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Enough with the anime already.
This is /co/ for fucks sake.

>>87809344
For which one? Or both?

>>87804896
>>87804948

Yeah I'd say it has to balance being fluid and dynamic like real life but exaggerated in a way only animation can serve.

>>87805894
ah yes. recently watched this. this first episode is just spectacular.

bit of a mindfuck though seeing that Christmas with the Joker is literally the second episode.

>>87809354
I've never seen anyone praise choppy animation with poorly and hastily made inbetween frames.

>>87809354
You can have little detail but without fluid motion its going to look clunky, which can be the desired effect but in most cases it would just be bad. They are probably the two most basic and universally important factors in "good animation". Atleast I think it would be very hard to argue that fluid motion and attention to detail are unimportant. The two don't even interfere with the very abstract topic of "style".

>>87808001
>Yeah, and I'd rather talk about WESTERN cartoons on the WESTERN CARTOON board.
no where do I see that this board is only for western cartoons.

>>87805920

>When_the_salvia_kicks_in.webm

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>>87809367
Not any anon you're mentioning, but man; take a chill pill and calm down. Everyone already know it's a /co/ board. You could make the same thread in /a/ and nobody would bat an eye if you posted something western.

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>>87806229
That's Milt Kahl's work, right? Dude was an animation legend.

TO ALL THE PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT ANIME:

I don't see you posting any western animation. There is aslways this stigma of anime vs the west. While I do think it's bullshit, it's important to compare and contrast the differences in styles, as well as discuss how and why those differences arise.

Every time we have one of these threads, we get overrun by anime BECAUSE so many people would rather complain about it than contribute to the discussion and post western cartoons.

>>87809027
Boondocks is too choppy for me.

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>>87809595

>>87809684
Because Western animation is fucking garbage, what the fuck do you expect us to say?
We all fucking now it.

>>87809743
Meant to link source

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byAfC5yW_hw

>>87808956
That doesn't answer my question like at all, that's me being given the run-around

>>87809329
>pic not related.

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>>87809743

>>87809595
>Scooby Bebop

I do

None of what you like fits btw

>>87807386
Proof of them using CGI retoscoping or are you being a fucking retard and shitposting with no evidence?

How has no one posted this yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU

This my friends is what god-tier animation looks like. What is good animation? An unholy amount of time and dedication to a project the animator feels strongly about is what.

>>87805652
Yeah, one of the key animators for this is a big fan of Steven Universe, he was even a guest animator for a recent episode. Impressive that you noticed!

>>87805003

Thx I thought it looked familiar

Warning : Homestuck related (still pretty great though)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKfP9N28buk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE0_eNIJuE8

>>87806697
Does this show have a reputation for being strangely well animated for a TV series?

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>>87809458

>>87810208
>either of those 'pretty great' in any way, shape or form
I hope to god you're baiting me. If so 4/10.

>>87810248
I'm not. But it's okay not to like things that other people do, just don't be a dick about it.

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Sometimes I wish there was an animation board, for animated stuff regardless of origin.

>>87805110
There were some segments of that movie that looked amazing. Wish people would make more webms of it.

>>87810245
>never enforced properly for any other kind of animation except for anime
the rules are a lie you are brainwashed.

>>87810208
Really great, especially impressive when you consider it was done by one person.

Anyone have any webms for
>Persepolis
>Hey Good Lookin'
>Castle of Cagliostro
specifically? I'm planning on making a personal folder for animated stuff.

>>87810388
This board is open to all animation with the exception of Japanese animation which belongs on /a/.
How fucking hard is it for people to understand?

>>87810245
also
>should, not has to

>>87810424
>>87810472
Don't be so butthurt about being wrong.
The rules are rules.
Go take up your grievances with the mods.

Till then, anime technically isn't allowed here.

>>87810454
>all animation here is fine except for this specific country
That's a pretty stupid rule tbqh

>>87810500
Its not when you consider the whole fucking website was based on a Japanese board and the anime board was the owner and creators personal favorite, you dense fuck.

>>87810388
What an absolute shame this movie's been shunted around the years.

>>87810499
not butthurt because I'm not wrong , this is a barely enforced rule, but it's getting away from my original point which is it shouldn't matter if it's anime or not this threads purpose is to discuss animation.

>>87810555
>muh traditions

No, it's a dumb rule then, and it's a dumb rule now. I wanna talk about animation in general, not have to jump between two boards. Animation doesn't stop being animation because of it's country of origin.

>>87810685
Then go to a different site, faggot.

>>87810736
Make me :^)

>>87810454
Western animation has been atrocious for decades. This thread would have literally nothing but Disney animation and old Fleischer toons if this was enforced. Fuck off, you retard.

>>87810676
It is literally in the rules.
"Should pertain to media of --->Western Origin<---".
I have a hard time imagining someone being more wrong than that.

"Should" is not a word up for interpretation. It doesn't mean "well you can post western art here and whatever the fuck you, I guess".

It means "This is the place where western animation goes. If its not related to that topic, post it somewhere else".

I know for a fact if I went to /a/ and spammed it with /co/ related material, I'd rightly be told to fuck off and probably banned for it.

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>>87804896
emotion

>>87810434
Yeah, basically what I was getting at. Emptyfeet makes some pretty sweet animations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L_gOBfGl2A

Also speaking of transitions BAD APPLE is pretty great too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lNZ_Rnr7Jc

>>87810752
So you deny the existence of any animation outside of Japan and the US?
Those are the only two places with animation?

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can "cost effective" animation be good?

how much skill would it take to make something look good without it being too expensive?

>>87810799
The only two countries that matter, with the exception of rare Italian and French animation.
Of which there is nothing of note, except for maybe Wakfu's fight scenes, or maybe Russia's Ice Queen, which has some quality animation.

Most the world's prime, and only good animation is from Japan. I wish this wasn't the case, fucking-believe-me, I wish we, the west in general, produced more quality shit like the days of old, but we do not.

On top of that, which is my objective opinion, OP asked for ANIMATION, and gave a japanese example, OP is clearly not making a distinction on the 'where' the animation is from.

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>>87810855
>objective opinion

>>87810855
I don't know anon, I think you're being a bit too critical here. No, there haven't been any big name traditionally animated movies from the west in recent times (as far as I know) but certainly there has to be some good out there?

>>87810783
we aren't talking about what is acceptable on this board we are talking about this thread, and this thread is for animation. simple as that fuck your gay rule.

>>87810811
i really liked the mappy webtoon shiftylook made
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uKeYJMnNdE

>>87810811
I'm not sure if the animation itself can be good, but the content of the show can be.
Adultswim has basically made its name by making shows with shitty animation that are still entertaining.

>>87809631
He is the Bob McKimson of Disney.

>>87808001
And they say that trump is going to create divides... when really... the divides are already here... really makes me think...

>>87809995
It was discussed on /m/ over the years while Paul was doing it.

>>87810449
On this note, anyone have any Bakshi webms in general?

>>87809995
That looks like dog shit flash animation.

>>87804896
>there are people who havent watched flame of recca in this thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfvBlNdD1gs

>>87810936
Nothing to memory is the quality of say, Akira.
Fleischer Superman was the powerhouse of American animation, Disney was and will always be a shining beacon of animation. Russia's Snow Queen from 1957 is pretty great.

As for recent animation, Batman The Animated Series has some great animation, throughout. It's all that really stands out to me.

But what do I know, I'm just a faggot anon.

>>87811099
Are you blind

>>87810786
He went down like the little bitch he really was

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>>87804896
There's some nostalgia involved, but I enjoyed pic related.

>>87811193
No, but you must be.
If you think that pile of shit is "god tier animation" then you should check out Plague of Gripes.
He shits "god tier animation".

>>87811235
I'm not that anon
And Plague isn't even comparable to that
Thanks for confirming your opinion is worthless though.

>>87811256
Suck a cock, faggot.

PS I wouldn't wipe my ass with Redline

>>87810937
>"nowhere do I see that this board is only for western cartoons".
>says it right here
>"fuck you nobody cares about the rules anyways let me just pick up these goal posts"
>tell it to the mods. just fixing your ignorance
>"fuck u u gay"

So mad.
It's ok. I've gotten my fair share of being BTFO in my day. I at least had the grace to either just leave the thread in embarrassment or just concede in the face of evidence.

>>87811235
(You)

>>87811299
k

>>87810388
>Williams hogged babbit all to himself and his animation died in this film with him
I don't like Williams and his autistic animation. Pure movement for the sake of movement is not aesthetic.

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>>87811305
(You)

>>87804977
>anime

no.

>>87811305
>"nowhere do I see that this board is only for western cartoons".
yeah sorry about that you were right
>says it right here
yeah now I know but still is a dumb rule
>"fuck you nobody cares about the rules anyways let me just pick up these goal posts"
what goal post?
>tell it to the mods. just fixing your ignorance
there's nothing to tell the mods this thread isn't breaking rules, this thread is for animation regardless of place of origin.
>"fuck u u gay"
barely was the response, me going back to my original point is barely me saying fuck you because you're gay
>So mad.
if only
>It's ok. I've gotten my fair share of being BTFO in my day. I at least had the grace to either just leave the thread in embarrassment or just concede in the face of evidence.
why would I be embarssed over not getting blown out on this anonymous image over something I'm not wrong about? seems pointless

>>87811230
That's actually one of my favorite animated films. Probably because I'm a massive Daft Punk fan though.

>>87804896
Animation is probably the most objective form of art. All it has to do is trick you eyes and brain into thinking you are seeing 1 motion being carried out. No making something look like it's moving is quite easy. The real problem is giving an object weight, fluidness, depth, speed and consistency.

>>87811675
Now*

>>87807741
Nice bait,

Anyways, Motorcity is a great example of "Flash animation: Done right." Makes great use of the medium.

though, it's not without its faults.

>>87809724
I agree, I'd say it's art work is pretty superb, while it's animation quality (i.e. "the way it moves") is ever so slightly above average.

>>87811763
>Motorcity is a great example of "Flash animation: Done right."
Is that why its still on the air?
Oh! Wait...

>>87811799
Okay, you went to far buddy. just because it's down doesn't mean it's bad and you know what mother fucker... What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>87811799
I'm sorry I don't have a good counter argument and have to result to played out internet bullshit. You and the people of /co/ deserve better.

>>87805003
>Its Yuyu Hakusho tier
You say that like it's a bad thing.

Like pornography, I cannot describe it, but I know it when I see it.

>>87807593

I'm not going to roast you over it, but the fact that you don't recognize NGE and you're on 4chan of all places is kind of bewildering. Maybe I'm just getting old.

>>87812083
maybe you are

>>87811557
Why are so against of anime

>>87809631
One of the biggest tragedies in animation is that his technical skill peaked at a time when Disney was at its nadir. So he's doing gorgeous animation in mediocre films being Xeroxed because the budgets were so low.

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>>87811916

What makes you think he wasn't saying it in a good sense?

Shame the anime never got a chance to cover the later half of the manga though. It was one of my favorites.

>>87812254
Fuuko was always best waifu. Domon had good taste.

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>>87812291

They where my favorites too.

>>87806852
Same here man. It's great to see an Anon being successful.

>>87805374
> :/
what is this? reddit now

>>87805918
>Cartoons don't look like this anymore

It's only gotten worse since. Fucking calarts

>>87809292
That would look fine if you watch it in 240p

>>87806195
I always loved this scene because of its weight and how they portrayed the shifts in momentum between the mechs. Love it.

>>87808745
>WHY does it have such high quality animation
Because McGruder is an anime fan and pushed for it when he was getting the show made.

>>87812506
Still doesn't answer my question, yo

If all you had to do get a high quality animation studio for your show is "push for it" then why don't we see more western shows like that?

>>87812352
Dat Fuuko ass.

Shame Yanagi was a womanly brick.

Took a class while doing modeling. Smooth animation, pleasant visuals, and a hint of realism without completely being grounded. .

Rotoscoping will always look off because you don't see animation for the limitations of the human body.

Complexity and detail is usually a crutch to hide behind, especially if the animation is choreographed blandly or who is producing it doesn't know any better. You can notice this when 3.5/4 of the movie is very still or just backgrounds with objects overlaid, they spend too much time fucking around with a few scenes.

>>87804896
Rich color with proper saturation and shading
Animation with weight but not overanimation focused of fluidity
Details without making the animation cluttered or messy
Proper "camera" usage

For western examples, the Highwayman from Over the Garden Wall and Ms. Botz from S01E13 from The Simpsons are too weightless and the usage of color comes across as dull, even if the latter's case is just how the first two seasons were at the time. They're often considered examples of good animation, but how they were executed comes across as a raw showcase of fluidity rather than a final product. The Transformers and GI Joe movies are top tier examples of rich colors used with amazing attention to detail that makes for an absolutely gorgeous thing to to watch, but often times there's not enough weight to character movements to really have the final pull to draw you in, and the "camerawork" doesn't lend to it either. An example of great animation can be the Thief and the Cobbler, where the character Zigzag has absolutely gorgeous and fluid animation, but it still holds weight and builds back into what the character is trying to do.

>>87812518

Because a lot of cartoonists are pussies who are simply content to work with whatever shit they have that they don't even consider rocking the boat and at worst will just get passive aggressive through their work.

Really how many shows do we see about awkward teenagers who are bullied in high school that are just mouth piece self inserts for the show runner? You think these guys are gonna stand up to actual ceos?

>>87812518
Because very few people in a position to get shows made want to do that sort of stuff.

>>87812553
The Transformers movie is ridiculously inconsistent with its quality. It goes from movie budget to tv budget within the same scene

>>87811230
>>87811629
I love both of you.

There has never been and never will be a perfectly animated movie

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>>87812537

Kagehoshi was pretty milfy too. You think Recca's adoptive pop was banging that? Had too have.

>>87808082
>>87808182
Maybe you just haev shit taste

>>87809006
Says the guy who will never do anything noteworthy with their name on it. C:

>>87812645
Do you know the plot to Afro Samurai?

>>87812586

No one's complaining shit ain't perfect but there's still a huge line between imperfect and shit you just half assed because you don't care

>>87804896
What's this edgy shite?

>>87812830

Flame of Recca. Like YuYu Hakusho but with ninja instead of demon. That's from the obligatory tournament arc.

>>87812849
What is it with tournament arcs?

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>>87809215
Why does everyone forget this one?
The last "realistic" CG movie that didn't totally bomb

I thought it did a lot better than the polar express when it came to uncanny valley-ness

>>87812863

It's an easy excuse to set up fights.

>>87812865

I thought it did a lot better than the polar express when it came to not being an irredeemable piece of shit

>>87812902
You gotta see Polar Express in Imax

I never though it would make such a difference but they play the damn thing every year at our local museum, so a couple years back me and my friend Jim finally decided to go see it.

It was fun. The train sequences, the scale and size of the north pole. It just felt great.

>>87804896
>random little cat thing outa nowhere that doesn't seem to fit into the rest of the universe or match anyone-else's ascetic
Never change, Japan.

>>87813132

He's a fox doll that a girl with puppet powers brought to life. for whatever it helps the fox isn't in the manga. He was created for the anime and the little girl he hangs out with was given a much larger roll when in the manga she was more less dropped after her story arc ended.

>>87805225
It's a simple application of quantum string entanglement theory

>>87805918
HOLY SHIT HOW HAVE I NEVER HEARD OF THIS
WHY DON'T WE EVER TALK ABOUT THIS

>>87804896
>when anime was awesome and not the moe shit we have nowadays
Same with fucking hentai, current times suck

>>87813506
You motherfucker.

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>>87804896
60 frames per second.

>>87813600
The fuck is this?

>>87810786
I see webms of this posted all the time and still don't know what it's from.

>>87812505
my question is, wouldn't it seem even heavier since she's inside a pod of LCL which is a liquid? I'd expect the animation to portray them like they're underwater like they usually do.

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Can we post bad animation?

>>87813711
nevermind, read the wiki. I'm an idiot.

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>>87813717

>>87813706
Jin-Roh. An anime.

>>87805918
Watching through all his vids for the first time.
Great work.

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This

>>87813734
>>87813717
How the fuck do people watch and enjoy this?

>>87813734
Top kek it looks like someone made this in windows movie maker.

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>>87813734
Wouldn't be bad if it was some random flash movie on newgrounds

>>87813831
They were holding payment from the animation team from a three months delay of a weekly episode production budget.
That´s the only explanation.

>>87804896
60fps

>>87805624
Thief and the Cobbler is weird. It has has a lot of animation that's got to be impressive for it's time but today looks like something that would be trivial to do with a computer.

>>87813706

If you do watch it, know that the entire movie isn't like that webm. Its a very slow, quiet movie for the most part.

>>87806195

God I can't stand how the evas are weightless flippy ninjas in the rebuilds.

>>87812083
Wait, he asked who animated the scene. Am I not enough of a weeb for 4chin if don't know who animated every frame of Evangelion?

>>87804896
One word:

Shading

>>87807881
I see it now
>-Make that character black.
>-B-b-but that's equivalent of 100 man-hours of animation. We don't have the resources! We'll have to settle to Flash!
>-MAKE. HER. BLACK!

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>>87813629
Non-porn nude 3D made to make /3/ flip their shit.
Always work.

>>87804896
>>87804951
>>87804977

>we don't need go expand GR15 to include anime they said
>/a/ doesn't raid boards they said

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>>87812586
>There has never been and never will be a perfectly animated movie
Wrong.

>>87807814
The cancer killing the animation industry; the person

Anyway, I'll always appreciate technically complex work, but saying one's more worth it than the other is comparing apples and oranges.

>>87814660
Should've put in more buildup to Lupin's speed so it could completely justify all those Hulk-esque leaps from tower to tower. As it is he would've been barely able to reach the fucking chimney on the first one.

>>87804896
lol, if this is what you're calling good animation then I guess just lots of keyframes

their faces kept shifting around on their heads and I laughed out loud when the kid was flying across the room

>>87808534

Its his 'Buddha' form. normal Anatomy is out the window

>>87804896
I actually really like this. Who cares if they aren't on-model the whole time, it conveys action and feeling really well.

>>87813833
The fanbase is literally mostly children.

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Is anime doing it right?

>>87810786
>emotion

WebM unrelated? The guy looks pretty bored for the most part, especially when he gets shot up by the Kerberos dude; it's more like an "eh, whatever" expression than anything, which can spice up some unintentional hilarity.

>>87805413
What show

>>87815621
Flawless. Truly the pinnacle of its era.

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>>87817198
Anime series confirmed

>>87813934
No, the episode's animation was done by Akom, thats it.

>They were holding payment from the animation team from a three months delay of a weekly episode production budget.
Nelson Shin would of never do a thing like that to his crew.

>>87817411
TMS > StarToons > Seoul > Toei > the rest

>>87812556
And that's before getting into the plethora of animation errors.

Yeah it's got its good scenes, but I'm not going to call it the pinnacle of quality. Transformers was just the beginning of the end for Toei and animation quality.

>>87813563
Anime was never awesome. And you are late with whole moeshit thing it is not 2013 anymore

>>87814521
>getting mad about anime in 4chan

>>87809771
c-cute

>>87806697
>Don't miss lunch because of me! Save yourselves!

This looks a lot better than I would have expected.

>>87816626
I have bad news for you. They aren't.

>>87806697
According to the credits, many of Disney's regular contracting studios (Toon City, Wang Films, Sunwoo, Tama Pro, Hanho, etc.)

I'm kind of impressed too, though I'd chalk it up to the style used.

what cartoons had the worst animation?

>>87820687
Hanna Barbera

>nothing posted from AKIRA
>nothing posted from REDLINE

c'mon guys, get your shit together.

>>87821090
That's not true.
I said I wouldn't wipe my ass with Redline.

>>87804896
The definition of good animation is defined by DISNEY, of course,
they have the richest history of animation, they therefore are the ruler.

Winsor McCay pioneered this precious art form,
and it was largely popularized by BASED W. Disney and his loyal fellows like Nine Old Men,
and Jap Anime ruined everything.

Jap Anime copied what DISNEY did, just like "Monkey See Monkey Do", they're far from "good" desu.

In short, watch DISNEY if you want good animation.

>>87820687
Star Trek TAS

>>87821185
Made up for it by having better plots than the actual show.

>>87821129
And I wouldn't wipe my ass with the Mona Lisa
I get your point, but man you sound dumb

>>87821281
Redline is shitty.
It looks shitty. I wouldn't wipe my ass with it because it is worth less to me than toilet paper.
There, hope that cleared things up for you.

>>87806098

Almost looks like something speedosausage would make.

>>87821310
Top shit taste bro

>>87814660
Oh, Samurai Jack did a homage for this scene I think, when they rob the pyramid.

>>87821209

it was about even.

>>87805156
Western animation and eastern animation have radically different approaches, neither being bad and shining depending on the challenge they take on. In my admittedly small experience, Japan generally prioritizes linework while the USA cares more about form and internal consistency.

As such you end up with strange things like breaking glass, that materializes out of thin air or parts of the animation that move a 2 frames per second like the falling debris, monocolored buildings. When they are on a specially tight budget Jap animation puts more emphasis on individual characters over background characters and scenery and get people who practically float over the scenery. Some of the jap webms above this one fell like they have very little weight, compared to >>87805110 and the such.

Of course, give them enough time and budget, and you get a detail fest like >>87805981

I can't say much about western animation given that interest in it took a dive

>>87807173
moebius called, he wants his linework back. and tell me which movie is this

>>87805862
excellent video

>>87805918
The superman cartoon had a ridiculous budget

it's interesting how animation decayed so strongly in the 60s. A shame the pseudo-recovery of the 90s didn't last long.

>>87805920
What animation scene / tradition was this inspired from? Only thing I know that's similar is the animated parts of Allegro Non Troppo

>>87810388
I was thinking just the same.

>>87807073
People like you are the reason everything is shit now. What's next "don't even bother learning that musical instrument man, you can make a song with a program on your computer that will make more money"

>>87822873
Nah, since he cited the shows he did, it's more like "don't bother learning how a musical instrument, never learn and just phone it in with autotune because it's popular now".

>>87807386
Daicon IV has a similar panning shot, and there is no CGI used.

>>87811230
>>87811629
>>87812573
Is it good? looks like another fruity xeno garbage movie.

I like anime for it's more ambitious character designs, the simplicity of western cartoons just feels like a cheap corner cut even if it does end up looking great.
The day western animation gets over it's ever increasing 'simplicity' boner is the day it shall ascend.