X-Men: Franz Kafka's "The Trial"

I forget, did Kafka ever write a story about friends holding an intervention?

>>87803226
http://www.kafka-online.info/the-trial.html

ALL IT TAKES TO BE CONDEMNED......

IS TO BE WRITTEN BY BENDIS....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUIAxTxrnCc

>>87803247
Dude, where's the fake lawyer demanding constant extortion payments?
Where's the unmarked, anonymous vacant building where the trial shall be indefinitely held?
Where's the vague, undefined continuous threats?
What's the undisclosed "secret" charge of crime ... actually, check that - it's not meant to ever be revealed in that story...

>>87803490
"we care about you"
"we want to help you"

those are threats to any respect he has and any strong relationships he had ever built with friends or students. there's no need for a threat when your character has been assassinated and reputation destroyed.

no need for a "secret" charge of crime when it's replaced by the accusations of people who don't fully understand the processes or reasoning behind actions taken. imagine being accused of things by people who you know, when they aren't even lawyers or experts on what happened. yes, it's not meant to be revealed because to reveal what happened would mean that Beast asked for help from the FF and Avengers and never recieved it. it was never discussed because Beast acted unilaterally when the precedent to act unilaterally had already been made by Cyclops. No such "trial" was afforded to Cyclops when Cyclops acted unilaterally

the other teammates literally are too stupid to understand that both beast and cyclops did crazy shit.

to condescend to beast because he acted in RESPONSE to something else is fucking hypocrisy.

Cyclops commits acts
Beast commits acts in response to it

group blames Beast?

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>>87803619
Oh, you wanna bring Cyke into this?
Fine.

What's more of a threat than Professor X himself saying;
"You need help and I WILL help you."
"When you wake, hopefully you won't have any..."
( ... at which point it was clearly *right* to freak the fuck out. )

And, of course, I defy you to explain how creating world peace, ending starvation and hunger is a greater crime than wrecking the space/time continuum to achieve a petty vendetta?

>>87803981
I'm so sick of everyone saying "Scott Summers" like it's their coping mechanism to pretend they haven't known him for decades. That's rare in real life but every character does it now!

>>87803981
>petty vendetta
>ending starvation and hunger

u wot mate?

>>87804058

It's a cool name. Stan Lee has that style

>>87804173
>>87804058

Beast is saying it like an angry parent.

>>87804209
makes sense. he's the only adult in the room.

I've not read the issue. What happened? The X-Men are holding an intervention because Beast decided to side with the Inhumans to help them deal with the cloud?

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>>87804235

That's not always the case.

>>87804286
uncanny x-men issue 600

i have no idea what cell phone crap you're talking about

>>87804087

Cyclops when he gained the Phoenix Force tried to keep the other four hosts calm and in control while also convincing them to use their new gained powers to better the world not only for mutants, but everyone else.

Beast decided to go back in time using Dr. Doom's time-travel machine and bring past versions of the O5 X-Men to the present and convince them to face Cyclops in hopes that Cyclops would be shamed by the past versions of himself and original friends, hopefully enough that he'd change his ways and turn himself in. This gamble of course created rips in the time-stream.

>>87804391
The Terregenesis cloud that's killing/sterilizing muties?

>>87804391

So what happened in it?

>>87804286
He has gradually turned into a full-on mad scientist over the years and it's getting dangerous.

Those O5 X-teens shouldn't have been kidnapped from history. Hank really screwed the pooch on that one.
And amazingly that wasn't even the final straw.

>>87804419
all the mutants associated with x-men are called together so they can condescend to beast about something that ultimately saved his life and a situation concerning the younger versions of the O5 when everyone had already agreed to let them stay

there is then a moment towards the end where cyclops calls all the mutants except beast for peace and magneto is like "wtf are you doing, you crazy" and they smile for the cameras and shit before going back to beast being alone.

peace is achieved, but the issue is about ostracizing beast. the emphasis was shaming a character who was high moral standards.

oh and they talk about iceman being in the closet and shit.

everything in it takes a back seat to the marvel universe simply taking a shit on beast for doing something that happens in the marvel universe all the fucking time.

even the watcher in "Endangered Species" was all like "i despise you mccoy" when the watcher has interfered with events (and thus defeating the purpose of his character by participating instead of watching) and is in no position to judge anyone

>>87804399
yeah you still haven't explained that shit about cyclops solving world hunger. sounds pretty made up. ;)

>>87804451
Angel says to the new O5 "you shouldn't be here"

Magneto said "we should send these children back"

cyclops' response?

"it doesn't matter"

the rest of the x-men's response? let them stay

but blame beast?

>>87804611

He used the Phoenix Force to magically feed everyone, create free energy source, create houses for poor and homeless people, get rid of nuclear weapons, stop conflicts throughout the world and so on.

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>>87804611
You're right, it DOES sound made up, like even "comical"...

>>87804399
>>87804451
Him using a Doom Time Platform was a retcon so they could ignore Marvel's time travel rules that creates a giant hole in the logic of the story, as it implies that either Doom or the FF thought it the best solution or that Beast some how managed to break into the Baxter Building or Castle von Doom and hijack a time machine without anyone doing anything about it.

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Cyclops was DEAD ALL ALONG

>>87804673
It's not some retcon, the time travel device co-created by Richards and Doom was always a threat to causality, and past FantasticFour stories have been about that danger.
Of course, EVEN THE GUY NAMED DOCTOR DOOM managed to use that shit responsibly.

>>87804672
i'm unimpressed.

humans already have the ability to have renewable energy and food if they changed their resource management.

has the economy of earth 616 changed and led to a paradise?

if not, i call bullshit. not your fault and thanks for posting that pic.

>>87804419
younger Scott sees younger Jean kiss younger Hank

>>87804637
This is sad.
Who does your mind tell you is responsible for personally grabbing those five kids out of history and dropping them in the middle of present-day drama?
And HOW exactly was that going to make the situation any better? AT ALL?

>>87804780

>has the economy of earth 616 changed and led to a paradise?

No, because Obama told the Avengers to stop Cyclops because he was making the world's leaders uncomfortable.

>>87804843
you're the one not thinking.

if someone commits an act, that's one thing.

for a group of others to come along and sanction it means they are also responsible.

>>87804843
Beast's idea was that younger Scott would be horrified to see what future Scott was doing and that would convince him to never become the man Cyclops was right then.

>>87804891
are you fucking serious?

so cyclops did not in fact save the world?

****

so what you're telling me is that world leaders are uncomfortable with cyclops but when mutants get upset with beast it's a big deal?

>>87804813
Hark! And so... upon that day the fabled Scott the Younger was cast into an abyss of WOE, as such that mayhaps hath been a witch's enchantments!
Foresooth, praytell, doth Henry the Elder bear thine blame forthwith, forsooth, four score?

>>87804971
and lo

>>87804813

Oh, i remember the issue now.

Bunch of X-Men told Beast that he was going mad-scientist and you had:

Colossus making up with Magik and being cool with Kitty marrying Starlord.
O5 Ice Man and O5 Jean trying to convince that Old Ice Man was gay too.
X-23 hooking up with O5 Angel for good and O5 Jean kissing O5 Beast kissing in the clouds while O5 Cyclops watching the two chicks that he liked kissing his friends.
Old Cyclops calling all the mutants to Washington DC and showing to the would that the mutants wouldn't chimp out because they're in one place all together and thus they had nothing to fear.

>>87804991
the DC thing is totally overshadowed by the narrative of shaming beast.

that's not what you call a happy ending, the focus of the story was not even on cyclops' accomplishments, nor did magneto say anything appropriate to the situation, they just shit on beast.

could the unifying of mutants in peace have been written any more haphazardly?

>>87804956

The world's leaders told the Avengers to attack Cyclops and his friends all because they dared to make the world a better place for everyone. In the end Cyclops was even arrested without trial because the US government knew he wouldn't be convicted by any court or even the public.

Beast was just shamed and told to stop being an asshole by his friends, which is fair because he threatened to destroy the time-space continuum for nothing but petty revenge.

So you really can't compare the two situations.

>>87805072
They arrested Cyclops for murdering Charles Xavier in front of over a dozen witnesses.

He bounced before the trial date because a mutie prisoner got killed in front of him or something.

>>87804903
No it doesn't you wingbat, the jury in your murder trial is not responsible for that homicide you committed.
Get it? Can you follow that basic logic?

>>87805056

Yeah, the issue was about Beast being shamed and even the X-Men were going all "THIS CHANGES NOTHING! CYCLOPS STILL MUST BE STOPPED! HE WON'T GET AWAY WITH THIS PEACE TALK BULLSHIT!" when Old Cyclops was doing his little speech in Washington DC.

So what you can take from this is that the X-Men are cunts.

>>87804971
Caged Demonwolf, what the fuck are you doing shitposting about a Marvel comic?

>>87805098

>They arrested Cyclops for murdering Charles Xavier in front of over a dozen witnesses.

Something that happened as an accident because Professor X TRIED TO SHUT HIS MIND WHILE HE WAS POSSESSED BY THE ENTIRETY OF THE PHOENIX FORCE!

No court would find him guilty.

>>87804935
BUT... if THAT was really Hank's plan then that means that he had decided to rewrite the timeline, the whole history of the world, on his own.
That right there is some full-on evil supervillain shit.
Kang does shit like that. The Red Skull has tried to do that. It's bad stuff.

>>87805157
Plus there's that whole thing with how he was never going to get a trial.
'Merica! <3

>>87805072
>petty revenge

there's that phrase again. perish the thought that when cyclops and emma kept secrets it destroyed their bonds of trust. has nothing to do with personal feelings.

>threatened to destroy the time space continuum

which happens all the time and everyone was fine with the O5 staying. that's called hypocrisy

the situations can be compared because it came to pass that the planet rejected help from mutants even when they proved they could make the world a better place. even when cyclops was right, it didn't matter to human leadership. this happened when cable had an island and S.H.I.E.L.D. had the FF get the silver surfer to take out cable.

this happened when cyclops had the x-men go to an island off the coast of california

>arrested without trial
>without trial

so no trial.

the humans have made it abundantly clear that mutants aren't wanted and yet the writers continue to have cyclops do these things with no benefits to the mutants. what's going on with them now? is their situation better?

>>87805111
if the jury knowingly says you're innocent when they have the evidence in front of them, then yes, they are responsible.

>>87805153
Lookith man, some Secret Wars 3 multiverse shit happed to Demonwolf and next thine knowist, Demonwolf is hatin' on some Marvel...

>>87804935
>>87805175

He brought the O5 students from the past and told them that Cyclops had become a terrorist worst than Magneto and that he was going to bring about the mutant genocide. He then told them that they should band together and stop him.

His intention was to shame Old Cyclops. He thought that if Old Cyclops witnessed his past self and the past versions of his friends all angry and disappointed at him, that this sight would take the fight out of him and shame him that he'd finally turn himself in.

That was his plan. It wasn't so much about changing the past, because he knew that Professor X would wipe the minds of the O5 once they came back to the past. It was about shaming Old Cyclops.

That's actually one of the reasons why O5 Jean decided to remain in the present. She was so shocked by all the fucked up shit that happened in her life - becoming the Hellfire's sex-slave, becoming the Dark Phoenix, dying several times, being cheated by Cyclops with a clone of herself, having future kids with Cyclops, kissing Wolverine, dying again by Wolverine's claws - that she decided to not go back because she knew that Professor X would wipe her mind once she went back to the past thus forcing her to relive all that shit.

>>87805175
he was dying at the time. he was genuinely concerned that after he died cyclops would make things worse.

younger Beast helped him solve his problem and older Beast's life was actually saved

that is not full on evil supervillain shit, he called the avengers and ff for help

>>87805316
>she knew that Professor X would wipe her mind

but that's an unknowable fact. xavier would have seen it and you can't predict what xavier would do

>>87805392

Old Beast and the O5 students of the pas theorized that was a possibility that could happen. One, in fact, that Old Beast was counting on.

He was betting on Old Cyclops being shamed enough to turn himself in, thus giving him what he wanted, and that once he send back the O5 students to the past that the Professor X would wipe their minds to secure the future, thus not altering the time-space continuum.

That was Old Beast plans, but then O5 Jean freaked out refusing to go back and later the O5 students found out there was something stopping them from going to the past for some odd reason that i think hasn't been explained yet. So know they have this whole mess going on.

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>>87805276
Dude, trust *IS* a personal feeling.

The time-space continuum is indeed threatened all the time... BY SUPERVILLAINS... like Hank!

And I just have to point out: Scott is imprisoned without trial, Beast has this "trial" without even a threat of imprisonment... or apparently any consequences at all, because he never renounced his crazy shit and simply walked away back to his lab!

>>87805449
you forgot the part about cyclops saying that it didn't matter and the other x-men almost totally agreeing to let the O5 stay

>>87805487
trust is not personal.

you cannot objectively trust someone who keeps life or death secrets from you. period. that's not feelings, that's game theory.

>>87805504

Yeah, once O5 Jean decided to not go back the other X-Men decided to support her.

As for Old Cyclops saying it didn't matter, i think he was just trying to make Old Beast's life harder as a strike back. He later convinced the O5 students to side with him and smiled like a little school-girl when Storm was pissed about it.

>>87805487
>The time-space continuum is indeed threatened all the time... BY SUPERVILLAINS... like Hank!

tell us your opinions of Cable and Bishop, fucktard

>>87805586

Cable is a good boy, you leave him out of this!

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>>87805528
Yeah, but it's a really-really big secret.
If Hank trusted Scott, he would respect Scott's privacy.

>>87805614
tell that to anon --->> >>87805487

>>87805626
but hank knows that if scott trusted hank, scott would have told him.

neither of them trust each other. first scott didn't choose to trust hank, and hank's logical, reasonable, rational response was to NOT trust scott in response.

let me guess, you have multiple significant others who have cheated on you.

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>>87805586
>>87805614
Yes, Nate is a good boy who just comes from a troubled home environment.

And FYI: neither of those two CHOSE to time-travel.

... the first time.

>>87805719
hmm... doesn't Uncanny X-Force REVOLVE around time travel?

GOSH.

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>>87805667
Hey man, people have been hurt before by secrets getting revealed.
You never know how someone's going to react: some people surprise you... some people scar you for life...

>>87805157
how could they?

could you imagine being on the jury of that trial? What practicing law must be like in the marvel universe. Super hero law has to be its own crazy field.

"Your honor this is madness my client, Who will not use his real name and from here out will go by his moniker Black Talon, is not culpable for the murder of those three children."
"Does he deny the charges?"
"No, those children were murdered by his clawed hand but he was deceived into doing it by Mysterio. Its clearly stated in the ruling of Logan v. The Dominion of Canada that culpability for a crime committed under mind control goes to the mind controller not the controllee. My Client Should not be on trial here!"
"Objection, your Honor. Mysterio's power is a result of hallucinogenic gasses and has been ruled a schedule I drug under the controlled substances Act. Your client wasn't under mind control. HE WAS HIGH!

>>87805877
the longer you keep a secret, the worse it will be when another finds out

if someone else finds out a secret that you should have just told them and been upfront about, it will be worse.

if you can't understand that, it is a sign that you have some maturing to do

>that pic
>that pic where rightclops says beast was right

>HOLY FUCKING SHIT BEAST WAS RIGHT AND THE ONLY WAY HE WAS WRONG IS IF CYCLOPS IS WRONG

>THAT PIC

>>87805719

I'm not saying that Cable was right there, but the situation was different.

Cable had learned that the world had been burned by the Phoenix Force because the Avengers had killed Hope Summers, his adoptive daughter, and so he took the weapons the Avengers used in their war against the X-Men and used Dr. Doom's time-travel machine to travel back to the past and stop the Avengers before they could hurt his adoptive daughter and doom the world.

Old Beast just wanted to shame and guilt-trip Old Cyclops one last time before he died because he was feeling sick.

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>>87805971
hey guess what.

don't keep secrets.

>>87806007
*from trusted allies*

keeping secrets from trusted allies means you don't actually trust them

>>87806007

Beast is a little bitch, though.

He was mad about Cyclops creating a black-ops that worked in mutants' interest called the X-Force. He told that Cyclops had crossed a line with that and that he wouldn't be around anymore if that's how he'd take things.

Then he went to Wolverine's school and was much happier. But what happened when he found out that Wolverine had created another X-Force, which did the same thing, once Cyclops had disbanded the original team after his heart-to-heart talk with Beast? He did nothing. He said nothing. He fucking turned a blind eye and remained by Wolverine's side.

Fuck Beast.

Beast's a little bitch that always envied Cyclops. He was wanted to be Professor X's prized student, to be the one leading the X-Men, to be the one fucking Jean Grey. That's why he's always mad about anything that Cyclops might do.

>>87806101
Also, didn't he show up to Kurt's funeral ONLY to tell Scott "this is your fault"?, even tho Kurt died pretty much sacrificing himself to save someone else's life?

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>>87805942
Okay, (A): Scott's dead and the world hates his guts, Emma's gone nuts, and the secret's still safe so far, so I guess they've already hit the worst that can happen and it has nothing to do with secret keeping.
And (B): the X-Men who have found out after prolonged deception adjusted well. Same can't be said for the villains...
The personal nature and impact of the secret obviously justifies the secrecy to those who now know.

>>87806179

Yup. Old Beast has been blaming Old Cyclops for shit for years now.

You can see that even in regards to O5 Beast. He was loving the future because for the first time in his life the entire team, including Old Beast and the future X-Men, was depending on him for answer and looking up to him for guidance. Then O5 Jean left O5 Cyclops and he finally made his move, being super happy about finally getting the girl.

>>87806179

Remember when Beast was mad with Cyclops because Cyclops didn't come right away to rescue him from Norman Osborn? All because when it came to decide between rescuing Beast and saving the rest of the X-Men, Cyclops decided to help the other X-Men. So Beast was mad about that.

You know, despite Cyclops once deciding to give himself up so he could be tortured and killed several times, all for the good of the team.

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>>87806249
>>87806328
Man, Hank is kind of a bitch isn't he? What's he up to this days? I stopped keeping up with X-men after Bendis hoped on board and all I know is that he's now sucking inhuman dick.

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>>87806249
Are you sure that's the problem?
Seems kinda petty.

>>87806436

Nigga, Beast is petty as fuck.

The thing about Beast is that fitting in was never enough for him, he always wanted to stand out.

That's why he felt unappreciated in the X-Men, since he always played second fiddle to Cyclops. So he left the X-Men and joined the Avengers, where he thought he'd feel more welcomed and appreciated, but then even that wasn't good enough. That's also why he's constantly messing with his body.

>>87806388

Hanging with Inhumans to try to fix the Terregenisis problem

>>87806101
>BTFO

>>87806552
IN HANK'S DEFENSE...
He grew up standing out, his mutant abilities didn't kick in at puberty like with other mutants, so his raw superior physique, his super agility, his mental abilities, and his ... "large hands" were all there from birth.
The guy never knew underperforming until he met other superheroes, and then he became the guy readers pointed at and said; "Why's he a superhero? He doesn't have any real powers!"
I grew up a smart kid, let me tell you, when you find your academic high-level and finally meet people more intelligent than you, it is a painfully humbling adjustment.
So of course he's desperately trying to make a grand gesture to justify himself as "homo-superior".

>>87806552
>>87806388

>BTFO

>>87806249
>Cyclops doesn't trust Beast and keep secrets

bruh, Cyclops fucked up and made an enemy out of Beast. Uncanny 600 shows younger jean smoochin on younger hank.

scott's a cuck

>>87806436
emma's worse than mystique.

>>87807445

Cyclops made an enemy out of Beast just because he was a good leader and decided to place others above him and Beast. So since Beast wasn't Cyclops' priority anymore he threw a tantrum.

>>87806184
you're bargaining.

the worst happened specifically because secrets were kept.

but look on the bright side. Beast may have died if it weren't for the fact that Cyclops wasn't being a fucking chad just to impress snow bitch

>>87806592
Is Bitch Monkey considered a brilliant scientist? I haven't seen him do anything particularly brilliant in the last decades and his most notable accomplishment is worsening his blue hairy balls problem every time he tried to fix it.

>>87807560
what's that? you're BTFOed because hank was right about secrets sowing distrust and scott even knew it, admitted it to snow bitch?

>>87807557

Beast has nothing to do demand after the sacrifice Cyclops made in Breakworld.

>>87807620
How is that in any way relevant to Hank Mcoy being a good scientist or not?

what secrets are you guys even arguing about? Scott was pretty open the plan was train Hope to get the Phoenix and use it without destroying planets.

if anyone keeping secrets is causing problems it's the inhumans and their terrigen shit

>>87807560
>>87807732

Hank's super genius is one of his oldest traits, that was the gimmick the super jock was a giant nerd.

>>87807780
I think they're talking about Scott keeping his death squad secret from Bitch Monkey, but like they mentioned earlier when Wolverine did the same and Beast found out he didn't seem to think nothing of it, or at least not to the level he did with Scott.

>>87807818
I know he's clamored as one what I mean is that aside from people bringing it up he hasn't seem to have done anything particularly super genious-y this past few decades, I don't even remember if he was part of the Super Science Squad that Scott formed in Utopia.

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>>87807485
This is truthy.
Emma there went utterly crazy decades ago.
It's a whole sad thing, multiple mental breakdowns.
She's just a shell of her former self.
You could hardly recognize her compared to her first appearance.

Meanwhile, Mystique is oddly static in her nature. She's always been like that.

>>87807900
>didn't seem to think nothing of it

have you even read UXF? serious question.

>>87807981

i mean he still went to go teach with wolverine instead of staying on Utopia

>>87808023
Wolverine also had the guts to come clean about death squads though.

think about it. Cyclops was such a bitch that he couldn't even bring himself to tell Beast or have a conversation with him. Scott's the petty one to make himself look so weak that the only alternative is that he has much more to hide.

>>87807780
Can't tell you, it's a secret.

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>>87807981
What I mean is that they both made Death Squads but in the end Hank could notstop fellating Logan whereas he was shitting on Scott as if he was getting paid for it.

>>87807550
Hey now. Let's not forget Cyclops condoningg a Black Ops X-team led by Wolverine with authorization to kill when necessary. That's absolute fucking bullshit that goes against the core ideals they believe in. Beast was totally justified in giving Cyclops the finger for that.

Until he almost immediately joined Steve Rogers' Black Ops Avengers team with authorization to kill when necessary. AND proceeded to condone Wolverine continuing to lead said Black Ops kill squad even after Cyclops had shut it down.

How many accusations that Beast has levied against Cyclops are anything but absolute hypocrisy? You really can't just discredit the way Beast is treated in-universe as nothing but scapegoating or character assassination on the part of Bendis, as poorly written as it is, because when you look at the characters words compared to his actions for the past decade and even earlier instances beyond that (the very fact that Dark Beast exists for instance), it all comes together to create one overarching narrative for the character:

>Hank McCoy is a fucking hypocrite that's too far up his own ass to come to terms with his own inadequacies instead of blaming them on other people.

>>87808081
>he couldn't even bring himself to tell Beast or have a conversation with him
I think if Beast was willing to have a conversation with Scott he would've, but once he found out he felt betrayed and wasn't willing to talk to Scott anymore because of his hurt feelings.

>>87808150
>could not stop fellating Logan

have you read UXF? there was one conversation about it, it amounted to a lecture about Logan and Beast both know better than this because they wouldn't be able to explain it away to the Avengers if they found out.

>they both made death squads

the fuck? beast didn't make any death squads

>>87808081
This.

Oh, so very much this.
Cyclops was such a bitch, and this is a sign of weakness bordering on frail, and it's obvious that he's hiding something even more horrifying yet.

>>87804672
Unrelated, but the Phoenix 5's names..

P-eter
E-mma
N-amor
I-llyana
S-cott

>>87808202
>proceeded to condone

yeah, it has already been started, he had no say about it when it began.

who's to say he would have agreed or not? maybe they could have done it better with Beast's help. but we'll never know because Cyclops didn't fucking tell Beast and decided to risk sowing seeds of distrust, which is exactly what happened.

You can't just trapse around as an original x-man, then keep secrets from other original x-men, especially if they're smarter than you are and has always had useful things to say to support mutancy.

cyclops chose to keep beast in the dark, which made cyclops look guilty as fuck because when there are conflicts about knowledge and information, shit flies out the window because diplomacy has been thrown out the window amongst your own allies.

if you're in a war, and you want to die quickly, withhold information from your trusted allies.

>>87808232
Beast WAS willing to have a conversation with Scott. that's why Beast interrupted Emma and Scott in their bedroom when i figured out what the fuck was going on!

>>87808081

Beast found out by himself about Wolverine's death squad.

>>87808452
which is the worst way to find out about something.

do you want to find out that someone's cheating on you by yourself or would you rather your significant other come clean like a fucking adult so there's a proper breakup? do you ENJOY living lies?

>>87808388
Not since the Stepford Cuckoos S-P-I-C-E girls name revelation has so important a fact crossed the boards of /co/...

>>87808400
>>87808512

Explain to me how Beast can be OK with Avenger's death-squad and Wolverine's death-squad to the point where not only he says almost nothing about it but keep working with the people behind said death-squads, but when it comes to Cyclops there is this huge meltdown?

Explain that shit to me.

>>87808580
so the fighter jet f 35 or what the fuck ever is a fucking waste of money

everyone knows this

some military people come up to the mayor of your town and offer to set up factories for people in your city to work and have a job. do you turn it down so the jobs go somewhere else?

it was a crazy decision that hank had no control over, but the decision was made. now the only choice is to get involved and offer any help necessary so the conflict is resolved as cleanly as possible.

that's the thing with teammates. you have to actually include them in activities and decision making.

>>87805898
Kek

>>87806179
who was he saving? chances are they were not as valuable as nightcrawler

nightcrawler is valuable as fuck. the entire team's life can rest on him because he's a teleporter and can stealth so well. nightcrawler isn't like some run of the mill extra strength person or psychic or energy projector. he's completely different and much more useful. not to mention a mechanic and swashbuckler

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>>87805898

>>87808686

no it's like he yells about the f35 and then just goes along making the f36 a week later.

>>87808908

i think it was Hope so fair trade.

>>87809048
Yeah it was Hope, it was during the time were she showed up in the present and everyone villain and hero were sperging over here.

>>87808580
Well, I can think of a couple different ways he could rationalize this crap:

- The Secret Avengers were a S.H.I.E.L.D.-sanctioned operation. It was legitimized by recognized authorities, and not that skinny guy you went to "special" classes with.

- Wolverine's wetworks squad was preemptive, there was no element of self-defense in hunting down your enemies and assassinating them. At least the Secret Avengers were "avenging" previous supercrimes by wanted supercriminals and existing active threats.

- The Wolverine squad was composed of warriors who had previously been devoted to Xavier's teachings of pacifism, this type of mission was inherently corrupting to it's participants, more than one of which was a child in Henry's eyes.

- Then there's the divisive effect on the entire mutant community, and the X-Men, when this fact inevitably came to light, the schism in one way or another wasn't long off after this came to light.

- There's the politics of the "good" mutants like the heroic X-Men adopting the violent strategies of Magneto, if the wrong people found out it would be the end of any possible peaceful coexistence with human-kind.

- And then there's the death of Professor X's dream, there's no longer any proving that mutantkind is a boon to humanity through the exclusively good works of the X-Men. That's been made nothing but a lie by this action.

>>87804674
Then why won't they leave him alone?!

>>87809299

So why he OKd Wolverine death-squad, something that Wolverine kept running while administrating a school that was supposed to represent a change of styles from Cyclops' militarized and corrupted doctrine? Fuck, Wolverine even had his death-squad kill a child.

>>87805232
Truth, justice and American way, yo.

>>87805586
>Bishop
What wonderful character assassination, my god.

>>87809447
First of all, that dead kid - he got better...

Second, Beast didn't know Wolverine had started this shit up again until Wolverine had to explain a not-Angel and good kidpocalypse.
And by then where did Hank have left to run off to? Space? His lab? The Inhumans?

>>87803717

That's how the real world usually acts. Normies only seem to notice responses to things, not what's being responded too.

>>87809545
To assassinate a character with "character assassination", one first needs a target that has character.

Bishop started out as a psycho ultraviolent timetraveller who would do things that the X-Men wouldn't ever do.
What's been changed?

>>87809755
He's still with lady with green hair, right?

>>87809882
KILLING WHOLE PLANETS IN ORDER TO GET TO HOPE
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>>87803717
>>87809843
> cyclops did crazy shit
What'd he do?

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>>87809886
No actually, she didn't live up to his high ethical standards and he called it quits.

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>>87810655
Fucking meme magic, it should be banned.

>>87809976
>What did Cyclops do...

First transgression of the modern era? - Scott cheated on his wife. - Then quitting the X-Men. (didn't last, Logan dragged him off on a personal mission and then he lead the X-Men to defeat Xorneto) - Then he started dating Emma when Jean's body was still warm. - Then there were ... a few unimportant details - He put a capture-or-kill out on Cable - He fired Xavier from the X-Men - He disbanded the X-Men - He formed the X-Force hit squad and sent them on assassination missions - He relocated to San-Fran and declared himself the leader of mutantkind by offering universal sanctuary to all mutants - He accidentally cheated on Emma with Maddie Pryor - He formed an X-Men superscience braintrust - He exploited Emma's secret cabal link to Normie Osborn - He created his own island nation - He had Danni sell her soul to Hel - He resurrected Dracula and was responsible for turning Logan into a vampire - He recruited Magneto - BlahBlahBlah - He made some more evil decisions regarding X-Force - BlahBlahBlah - He had Colossus sell his soul to a demon - He set forth a policy that Hope's life was worth any number of other mutants - He sent X-Force and Cable on a suicide mission with no means of return - BlahBlahBlah - He told a 14 year old girl to kill - He decided to form a team of the scariest mutants on Earth specifically to scare Earth - He enabled the Phoenix to come to Earth - And then some other stuff happened...

Oh yeah, and then Scott killed Charles Xavier.

>>87811359

Goddamn, so many distortions.

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>>87811359
Frankly, I find Scott to be blameless in this whole sorted affair.
His only real crime was blaming The Phoenix for him killing Xavier in self-defense.
That was an ugly, obvious, and transparent lie.

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>>87811359
>He resurrected Dracula
You make it sound like he didn't give the only plot to Brits in the last X years.

>>87811601
Honestly, what was wrong? It's a long list, so of course there have been some unintentional oversights.

>>87811727

Yeah, right. Like the fact that Scott and Emma were only having sex in their minds and that Jean's soul after her death told him start a relationship with Emma, with this action being essential to stop a possible future apocalypse where he never got with Emma.

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>>87811756
EXACTLY.
That's why, like I said in >>87811634 , Scott's only real crime was trying to blame The Phoenix instead of being honest with everyone about who Xavier really was and why Scott was forced to do what had to be done for the good of all.

>>87811359
You're intentionally framing shit to make it seem worse than it was. Go to hell, Beast.

>>87811634
He only blamed the Phoenix when written by Bendis.
When written by everyone else before Bendis he accepted the blame.

>>87812974
And would do it all again.
Fucking Bendis.

>>87803619
>people who don't fully understand the processes

>magik doesn't understand timetravel

lel

What is this shitty thread about?
Is OP really trying to defend Beast?
WTF?