Amazing Spider-Man #21 Storytime

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Gankers.

>>87724101
How exactly is the whole clone thing a "conspiracy"?

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>>87724149
They have some sinister plan involving New U and Peter's firm, right?

>>87724149
Because they're regenerated corpses, not "clones"

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Redpill me on Karn. He's that guy who didn't want to hunt, right?

>>87724190
NANI???

Is this where find out Aracely's fate?

>>87724128
>this is the man called KAINE
Off to a good start.

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Oh look, it's New Warriors.

>>87724208
THEY'RE ALIVE!

>>87724181
Regenerated via cloning. They're clones with a better marketing pitch. That's all.

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WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE THE COMMON THREAD?

>>87724190
Yeah, the one inheritor that didn't like the whole "killing totems" thing and betrayed his family by siding with the Spiders. Now he's paying for his sins by becoming the Master Weaver, whose basically some kind of multiversal Madame Web.

>>87724247
Oh hey it's Pajeet Parker.

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>>87724253
Thanks. I've read Spider-Verse but wasn't sure am I right about his backstory.

>>87724208
Pretty smart thinking their, Kaine. Also,
>New Warriors acknowledged
>MOTHER FUCK ARACELY
This issue is already way better than I expected it to be.

>>87724270
Gwen's gonna end up handsome?

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She wants him hard.

>>87724208
I remember the New Warriors hype threads even though the series itself was disappointing.

Fucking paired Kaine with that water woman

>>87724247
>Kaine doing science
This is... weird. I mean, he's a clone of Peter, so it's something he should always have been capable of, but seeing Kaine be treated as a bit of an intellectual seems really weird.

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>>87724278
Few more pages, senpai. Just wait.
>>87724288
Right?
>oh, I'll have two shades darker skin? Ugh, gross!

>>87724101
Kan-Ra vs spoderman?

>>87724229
So basically, Zambies.

>>87724292
Well he's Peter but way more gruff. Like discount bara Spidey.

>>87724311
Well the Weaver is helping him.

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>>87724309
Berserker and scholar.

>>87724208
Jeez, Slott did his homework.So cool

>>87724333
>Berserker and Scholar
A combination that would make women gush like he was Hercules.

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>yoinks, thanks for your research!

>>87724348
Well Slott apparently is a Kainefag.

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>>87724348
He's Kainefag, what did you expect.
>>87724349
Does he have carpet on chest like Herc?

>>87724348
When it says Slott co-wrote, it means Slott gave Gage his notes to write around. And since Gage wrote new Warriors...

>>87724353
>Gwen watched Peter die again

>>87724247
>Kaine was around the entire time during Web Warriors
This tickles me.

>>87724353
Slott really like kill Peter, eh?
It is really his "favorite" character...

>>87724378
He has a spider on his chest. Bitches love spider-men.

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What it was called, hand of Kaine?

>>87724389
>he's my favorite therefore nothing bad should ever happen to him, not even alternate universe versions of him!
Please never become a writer, because this is an even stupider mentality than your average fanfiction writer has. That's basically saying that anyone you like should be a Mary Sue. Fuck that.

>>87724378
OH MY GOD

>>87724401
Mark of Kaine, like the bible's mark of cain

>616 once again has Peter, Kaine and Miguel running around at the same time
>Now with extra Gwen

Feels good man.

>>87724413
Screw Miles, GwenxPeter Clone should be a thing like Ult Spidey and not-dead Gwen.

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>>87724407
Someone should get this post to Kittyfags.
>>87724409
Right, Mark. It was neat power.

>>87724348
AFAIK Slott likes the New Warriors, he kept giving them and characters associated with them like Bengal a fair shake during the Avengers The Initiative run

>>87724438
hugs!

>>87724438
>Gwen wants herself some Kaine

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She still wants him.
>>87724421
Feels bad for Ultimate Drew and any Ben Reilly.

>>87724190
>>87724208
>>87724229
>>87724247

Wait, so this happened right after Spiderverse right?

Then during that whole Electro fiasco in Web Warriors he was just chilling in Loomworld? What an ass, I love him.

Also Aracely must be going nuclear.

>>87724449
Great, now I'm torn again between Yost and Slott.

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Switcheroo!
>>87724463
Pretty much. Everyone was doing shit, he was reality-hopping and fighting zombies.

>>87724460
I just really want her to kiss Kaine with the mask on, like a forehead or a cheek kiss.

>>87724469
Slott may get a lot more shit than he deserves, but Yost is still the better writer of the two.

>>87724270
Five O' Clock Shadow?

>>87724380
Damn I'm an idiot who thinks Gage is Yost

>>87724208
thank god they aren't forgotten

>>87724479
>When you want the Kaine but he snags a clone of you instead

>>87724309
He's also a lot less coarse, hasn't sworn once.

>>87724460
Kek, that's cold Gwen.

>>87724479
Did they just repeat Kaine's text when he was hugged out of complete mistake?

>>87724460

Is... Is Gwen taller than Kaine?

>>87724509
Most likely. That doesn't make sense in context and it's word for word the same speech bubble as before.

>>87724528
You're looking a little "Scruff Mcgruff" there Kaine.

>>87724528

Poor Kaine. He wants to be hardcore but his degenerative disease won't let him.

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>>87724520
Looks like.

>>87724528
The hero we need, but not the one we deserve.

>>87724528
>torture devices of the patriarchy
and you were doing so well...
Still, this has been enjoyable.

>>87724547
I dunno, having a ticking clock is pretty hardcore. Just look at Spawn.

>>87724270
with a beard?

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>>87724528
NEXT WEEK, ON SCARLET SPIDER, Kaine yells at every sleeping New Warrior to wake up and go on one last adventure!

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>>87724591
>>87724288
>>87724489
She's gonna get Frank'd

>>87724569
It's just one joke that fits Spider-Gwen's personality, it's not gotten to Mockingbird levels or something.

>>87724528
>bring back fan favorite character from the dead
>kill him off in the same story

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>>87724528
>>87724547
The day when Wade's better looking than a Spider-Man

>>87724528
Maybe I'm just in denial, but making a big deal out of his imminent death makes me think he won't actually die

Thanks, OP.

>>87724378
fighting a zombie kaine would be the fucking worst
he could just burn through any clothing/armor

>>87724663
He'll probably just revive the New Warriors run and be the grumpy old dad again, this time with a beard.

>>87724604

>New warriors having breakfast in silence
>Aracely does her daily morning sigh after thinking of Kaine
>Suddenly Spiderweb portal opens up from the roof, Kaine lands rght on the food
>"I'M BACK, BITCHES"
>Everyone too stunned to respond
>"Good to see you're all well, just dropped here to say goodbye in case I die in the followig days, I'll come here if I'm not a corpse by then"
>"K-Kaine?"
>"I'M OUT, BITCHES"
>Jumps back on portal

>>87724707
More like
>crashes through the window
>lands on the table
>Aracely's overjoyed
>turns out Kaine died while jumping roof to roof in houston and his heart stopped the moment he was this close to the Warrior's hospital floor.

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>>87724707
Realistically the portal would just close the moment he jumps up the ceiling and he'll end up dangling like the goon from Spider-Man 2000

>>87724479
It's kind of weird they can pull the old switcheroo when Spider-Gwen has very different proportions to regular Gwen.

Wait...did'nt Slott say Gwen had hair extensions in the Clone Conspiracy? She seems to have long hair before she even meets Kaine.

Continuity always hitting a new (Nick) Lowe in this book

>>87724730

>Lays dying right in front of the New Warrior's hospital room in Houston
>Bitterly laughs to himself about what a cruel and hardocre way to die this its
>Suddenly, a redneck wizard slips on the wt floor and drops his ultimate fix-all potion right over Kaine

>>87724520
guess that clone degeneration is effecting his height

>>87724528
Come on Kaine you lived through at least 3 deaths try for a 4th

> Slott brings Kaine back
> Slott kills Kaine again

poaterry

I'm getting the feeling that this timeline will be saved from the carrion infection because of Dr Octopus fixing Warren's shit.

It's Slott after all.

>>87724208
Carrion Rising
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PnqxO9p5-4

>>87724569
Why does it bother you so much?

>>87724208

How strong were the Inheritors again? I mean even Nova's beat up

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Sometimes I really wish Kaine arrived at Parker industries on a horse. That would've been awesome.

>>87724229
>Wow, when multiplying by infinity there are infinite different outcomes.

Gee, no shit.

>>87724171
>>87724190
These are very Bachalo-esque colors, especially in the choosing and effect of the light sources.

>>87724873
Nobody speaks like that outside of the internet.

>>87724891

Kaine's curse only works while he's in Texan territory.

>>87724881
Bullshit strong

>>87724952
If he landed in between Houston and another location, he would have a Ferrari.

>>87724333
Oh look, it's Ben.

>>87724557
Question: Does the shakal have any superpowers?

>>87724557

Gotta commend Jackal, the Anubis motiff is pure genius design. So glad he's past his furry phase.

>>87724930
Eh, this Gwen is a riot grrrl who doesn't wear high heels, I can see her saying it.

>>87724528
All for his Aracely

Really reading this was sad, i hope the Other will come back to fix him, i mean its said in this same issue that the Other is a force of the spider totems, it cant be out of the table for too long, and Kaine is its favorite.

>>87724786
Probably used pads.

>>87725098

Silly anon, the Other won't be coming back to Kaine. Sadly Kaine must be a sarifice so the Other can move to Miles Morales and make him even stronger, more amazing and more popular.

>>87724247
>"hey this guys are fighting a ton of different alt electros, but i wont help them cuz reasons"
our boi is back

>>87725136
Slott dont give a fuck about Bandis' creature.
He saved Kaine already two times, when it comes to Kaine, Slott is our boy.
Also Yost, but he isnt involved with this story sadly

>>87724270
becoming an actual good spider with a decent book?
fug him if you can gwen, you need all the help you can get

>>87724292
i ship it

>>87724247
>>87724270
Apparently this artist didn't get the memo: Earth-65 Gwen has short hair.

Which is bad when they even make a point to talk about her wearing extensions in the main Clone Conspiracy book.

Do the Marvel editors even do any work these days? sure doesn't seem like it.

>>87724485
I hope this will relunch the character, maybe with the New Warriors as supporting cast

>>87724292
>Face it tiger

Why the fuck is Gwen using MJ lines?

>>87725012
No. He's just a master of cloning. If the theory that he's currently using a cloned Peter body holds true though then he'd have super-strength.

>>87724253
>>87724270

Not only that, but it seems Karn was ALWAYS the master weaver and he basically inherited the postition from his future self (now dead) due to time shenanigans

>>87725329
They hang out a lot in her world. You never used your best friend's catch-phrase?

>>87724528
>best boy is always doomed
what a shitty fate

>>87724438
KAINED gwen when?

>>87725488

How old is Spider-Gwen again?

>>87725495
between 18 and 22

>>87725495
too old for miles so old enough for clone dick

>>87725511

Yep, that's a crime.

That sick cunt, Kaine's not even a preteen.

Hello, I'm a massive faggot and I like getting the whole story in Events.

Do I really need to read Silk? Isn't she in another city or something?
No, I don't give a fuck about who JJJ met in New U.

>>87725552
No, what's happening in TCC affects Silk's book, but Silk's book will not be affecting TCC.

>>87724101
>Amazing Spider-Man
>Spider-Man does not appear
Bravo.

>>87725538
He's practically Benjamin Button now.

>>87725598
Great

>Jackal made No One Dies a reality
>Peter is butthurt about it

Why is he so mad, wasn't this what he always wanted? :^)

>>87725608
Clone Conspiracy is now the main Spider-title, this is just where side-stories get fleshed out.

>>87724881
like fucking shit strong
solus defeated a captain universe spiderman and a spudaidaman mech

>>87725608
This is how it should be every month until RYV Peter takes his rightful place

>>87725552
hell no, the only good you need to read are
>amazing spiderman
>the clone conspiracy
2099, silk, and possibly prowler are just side stories feeding off the main one

>>87725627
Because they were killed, and now they aren't.

People die when they are killed.

>>87725552
No. Unless you care about Mattie Franklin, you can safely skip the Silk tie-in.

>>87725707

Miguel is getting involved in Clone Conspiracy? I thought he was busy in around California beating up Iron Manlet.

>>87724881
They killed fucking Captain Universe Peter.

They basically just had God Mode on until the story needed them to lose. Then they randomly got nerfed for no reason other than "we gotta wrap this shit up! FAST!"

>>87725033
No she isn't. She's a punk chick. She isn't some third wave feminist sperg, ranting about the patriarchy on Tumblr.

>>87725739

>Can turn power cosmic into a massive jobber
>Simple radiation fucks their shit up

?

From what I getting here, an Inheritor would mop the floor with Thor but get shat on by Hazmat or the Leader?

>>87724438
If I recall, the mark was supposed to be a corruption of Peter's super-stickiness. The random bouts of clairvoyance he used to have where supposed to be a corruption of spider-sense too.

>>87724101
>Still wasting Alex Ross with these covers

>>87725786
I remember Spidey doing the same with one of the Kraven women.

>>87725775
100% accurate.

>>87724645
>that fits Spider-Gwen's personality
It doesn't fit her personality in any way.

I cannot think of a single instance from any appearance of hers that would make that line "in character".

She also acts nothing like she does in her solo book, when written by Slott. Might as well be a different character all together.

>>87725775
If you have an animal (or in Pete's case Arachnid) based power, the Inheritors can kill you. Anyone who doesn't can do otherwise.

Peter killed the original Morlun because his abilities aren't just based on spiders, but also on radioactivity.

>>87725840
Spider-Gwen has a personality? I thought she was just female Miles with a cosplay bait costume.

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>>87725848
You know what else can kill an inheritor?

a bat fueled by HATE

>>87725786
I recall he also used his turbo sticky hand powers to tear down a wall instead of climbing it once.

>>87725269
So do I. What gentlemen of wealth and taste are we, anon.

>>87725867
She's a bit more interesting because her dad's a cop, she's begrudging friends with MJ and she's one of those moody teens.

>>87725840
Her personality changes every time a new writer uses her.

>>87725764
Trump-as-MODOK is canon in Spider-Gwen's universe. Yes she's going to have many of the same obnoxious beliefs as her creator.

>>87725867
>Spider-Gwen has a personality?
Yeah, and a pretty good one, too. Its a shame that Jason Latour is such a shit writer, though, and cannot plot out a worthwhile storyline to save his life.

>I thought she was just female Miles with a cosplay bait costume.
Not even remotely.

She's a punk rock chick, who is really morose.

>>87725764
>She's a punk chick
If that's the intent with her, the writer wouldn't know what a punk chick is if one infected him with hep C by spitting into his mouth.

>>87725627
Ben, get offline.

I'm not an expert on Spider-Man's lore, is this the first time the actual Gwen Stacy is brought back?

Also, didn't she fuck Osborn?

If the other doesn't revive Kaine maybe Peter can finish that Mexican Gods storyline Yost never got to finish. Peter is the international spider man now after all plus we'd see aracelys story get resolved too

>>87724247
I know that's his foot but it looks like he has an erection while looking at Gwen.

>>87726050
>is this the first time the actual Gwen Stacy is brought back?

That depends on whether or not you agree with the Jackal. As far as I'm concerned, she's just another clone that happens to have been made differently. Also, yes, she fucked Osborn.

>>87725930
Trump-as-MODOK better be some shitty comic Steve Rogers did about Nigress America.

>>87726050
Not this Gwen. In her timeline, Peter died.

This other Gwen is a zombie clone.

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>>87725953
She's supposed to be a DIY punk, ala the band from Green Room (most recent pop culture reference I can think of) or like the members of Code Orange or something. Not the Anarcho-punk type of punk (pic related).

>>87724292
>face it tiger
Can Gwen be more unoriginal?

>>87726050
>is this the first time the actual Gwen Stacy is brought back?
Not even fucking close.

She also isn't back. This is a clone.

>>87726089

>Also, yes, she fucked Osborn.

Wew lad, that will be a fun topic of conversation with Peter.

>>87726113

So if she's a clone then so would be Prowler and Electro.

Does that mean they're dead for good too once this is over?

>>87724270
Artist should probably have been more extreme with the how his face looks.

>>87726089
>that happens to have been made differently
This clone is EXACTLY the same as both the one that kicked off the 70s Clone Saga and the one that shows up in the 90s Clone Saga. There is literally no difference at all.

>>87726140
Prowler probably. Electra, I doubt. He's one of more known Spider-villains.

>>87726140
>So if she's a clone then so would be Prowler and Electro.
Yeah, that's correct. I don't understand why people have such a hard time understanding this.

EVERY single person Jackal brings back is a clone.

>>87724413
How convient

>>87724333
>Exact same facial hair as Jackal
Hmmmmmmm

>>87726168
>Electra
He is referring to the new chick Electro. Yes, she is a clone too.

Max is currently dead.

>>87724407
Implied that for write a good story about a character you must hurt him on regular basis.

>>87726173

>Peter cures Electro
>The very next thing that happens to him is dying because he's useless, replaced by new Eletro

JESUS CHRIST PETER, STOP TRYING TO REDEEM YOUR VILLAINS, THE LAW OF MARVEL WILL OFF THEM

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>>87724247
>>87726079

>>87726189
anon
electr(a) female electro

>>87726208
I think you meant to quote: >>87726168

>>87724380
Shame that Gage isn't a big name because I'd like to see him get a chance on ASM after Slott. He usually does a good job when he gets a "co-writer" stint.

>>87726189
Yes, I know. I'm not in Lady Stilt-Man tier yet, so his female clone is Electra to me.
I won't say that Electro is the most popular Spider-villain around but he's probably in top ten. And he's reason New Avengers formed, yo.

>>87726253
You realize that the current chick Electro is NOT a clone of Max, right?

Wow, Slott was really gambling on Web Warriors still being a thing, wasn't he? Did he really think it was going to stick?

>>87726307
Yeah, she just has his DNA. Tomayto, tomahto. He's ded and another one has his costume and powers.

>>87726317
i felt like this issue takes place at the same time web warriors is happening

>>87726349
It can't, since Gwen was heavily involved in Web Warriors.

>>87726317

I doesn't need to be an ongoing. Just knowing that there's a group of multiverse hopping Spider heroes is enough.

Also the perfect excuse to bring Spider-Gwen into 616 permanently, as I suspect is the plan here.

>>87724485
I'll agree on solo works. But for team works, I've found Slott to be better.

>>87726476
As long as she isn't written by Scott or Bendis, I'm ok with that.

Allegedly, though, they have stories planned for Spider-Gwen for a while still. They haven't done the promised Gwenom arc, for example.

>>87726537
>Slott better than Yost at anything

Top kek, anon.

>>87724438
SINCE WHEN CAN KAINE SCIENCE?

>>87726541

>Implying they'll deliver

Mark my words, Gwen will want to return to her world after this event, but Karn will inform her that while she was out, MODAAK was elected president and immediatly nuked the whole planet, so now she goes to live in 616.

And this time she'll properly become part of Miles' harem as it was always meant to be.

>>87726565
Since he was born? He IS a clone of Peter, anon.

>>87726560
He's much better at keeping his job.

>>87726565
he is a nerdzerker with some extra points on str

>>87726541
>he still believe gwenom will happen
just accept it anon, it hurts less that way

>>87724867
Why not?
Otto will feed his ego and sticks to the good guys. At the end we'll have Scarlet and Superior ongoins. Sweet dreams.

>>87726599
Yeah, probably a result of blackmail.

>>87726608

Maybe now Black Cat will have someone to actually get revenge on, and leave New York's crime empire in the hands of Maggia boss Shocker.

>>87726050
No. Almost every Jackal story has him make at least one Gwen clone. This is probably around the 6th Gwen clone. Jackal's lab assistants are usually ~3 Jackal clones and ~1 Gwen clone, then a Peter clone to do his dirty work.

>>87726140
>So if she's a clone then so would be Prowler and Electro.
Correct. Prowler and Electro II are clones. Welcome to Clone Saga 3, anon. As someone that personally survived Clone Saga 2, I'd recommend going in with the assumption that everyone is a clone unless explicitly stated otherwise.

>>87726089
A different method that still leaves you with cellular degradation. When his old cloning method was perfect except for one flaw, and your new and improved cloning method that's totally better than the last one still has that flaw, I don't see how it's supposed to be an improvement.

>>87726541
Shit nigga I'm still waiting for a Power-Up junkie arc.
She's been moping around for 2 issues and I don't even know how many bars she still has.
Why sell herself to the kingpin when she has like 2 Spider-Gwen uses?

>>87726724

>End of the event
>Peter gets impalled trying to save someone
>Sad moment of goodbye to everyone
>Peter dies
>But suddenly, he starts to turn into dust
>Turns out all this time Peter was actually a clone too!
>From the shadows appears the real Peter Parker who has been in hidin all these years
>DUN DUN DUNNNNN

It's gonna be so nostalgic.

>>87726724
>unless explicitly stated otherwise.
Even if they are explicitly stated otherwise, they're probably clones in this case.

As per NuJackal saying:
>they're totes, 100% the real deal, guise!

Despite what he says, the explanation of how their created = clones.

I don't want Kaine to die!

>>87725026
I'm prety sure it's not the original Jackal. It's going to be a twist of Slott's. And I like that one anon's theory of it being a Peter.

>>87726560
He's not wrong. Mighty Avengers, The Initiative, and GLA are all much better than Yost's New Warriors and New X-men.

>>87726812
>And I like that one anon's theory of it being a Peter.
Anon, its all but confirmed that its a Peter clone. There is too much evidence to support it.

>>87726812

What if it's actually Warren... but only his body? Because in his mind lives none other than Docto Otto Octavious, playing his part as... THE SUPERIOR JACKAL

>>87724881
Depends on the day.
Tanked Captain Fucking Universe at full power then lost to Punisher 2099 the next issue.

>>87724528
if only the cap was red.

>>87724303
>New Warriors was disappointing.

You shut your whore mouth

>>87724101
>boy
That's a man, not a boy.

>>87727040
Not the same anon, but the other anon is right. It was disappointing. Great cast, great writer. Not much exciting happened in the book.

Did make me want to go back and read the original New Warriors run again, though.

>>87724528
Puh-lease
New U will save him and it'll drive Peter even more mental

>>87727040
Not him anon, but I bought every issue and it absolutely was. It just kept going on about stuff I didn't care about. First the stupid dog and cat people, then a giant teddy bear, and then inhuman garbage, and then it was cancelled.

>>87724292
Oh, okay, so Jackal is playing nice guy to team up with Parker Industries where he can use it to spread the Carrion virus and destroy the world. Glad we have more shitty issues of Clone Conspiracy to get to this point.

Also Spider-Gwen/Kaine is much better than her and Miles; still inferior to Kaine/Water Snake though

>>87724413
You just know he's going to wake up again in a few issues.

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>>87726847
>Otto is in a cloned body, except he's an earlier copy of a Peter who thinks he's Otto
>Peter is a copy of Peter who overwrote Peter who had been overwritten by a copy of Otto, from the fragments of a copy of the mind of the original Otto overwritten by Peter thinking he's Peter in Otto's body
>the actual Peter has been dead for a while now
>this is the actual plotline of the comic right now

>>87726605
>he is a nerdzerker with some extra points on str
I like this description and class.

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I haven't bought Spider-man since Spiderverse ended, but I feel like I should buy this book, not only because it was decent, but to at least show Marvel that I'm still interested in Kaine. But at the same time, I'm giving Slott my money.

>>87727148
Keep reading, anon. He's dead.

>>87727184
>But at the same time, I'm giving Slott my money.
You're giving Gage your money, actually.

>>87727237
But isn't Slott co writing this with Gage?

>>87727298
Slott wrote the plot. Gage wrote the actual issue.

Basically, Gage wrote the issue with Slott's notes.

>>87724604
>Sam just watched Cholk cuck him at the end of Champions 2.
>Kaine jumps out of a spider portal and grabs Sam
>"Get in, nerd. We're going Warrioring!"

Kinda a shame no one else on the New Warriors did anything after Spiderverse besides Nova.

>>87724270

Kaine is handsome as fuck. No homo.

>>87727142
We're already going to be half-way through Clone Conspiracy next issue so its probably a good thing that they're getting to the whole point of the story now.

>>87727163
You've lost me.

>>87727298
Slott off-loads scripting duties on Gage when he needs to focus on something else. Basically Slott gave Gage a treatment of the issue and told him what the plot is, then let Gage do the actual scripting. So all the dialogue is Gage, but the sequence of events is Slott.

Either way, you should show support for Kaine. Just don't buy any of the issues where he doesn't appear.

>>87724438
Is Spider-Gwen going to be on every Spider-dick but Peter's?

>>87727459
Yes, she's a strong womyn who don't need no patriarchy but many casual sexings

I had thought her ongoing had ended at this rate to be honest

>>87726238
Spider-man is just one of those characters where everyone has an amazing story that they have wanted to tell for a long time. The problem is that when you leave them on the book for too long they eventually run out of all the ideas that they spent years crafting and have to wing it.

>>87727473
Her sales have slipped to sub-30k but still solid. Not cancellation level like Spider-Woman or heading-towards-cancellation like Silk.

>>87724881
Morlun first appearance
Peter said he punched harder than the Hulk has ever punched Peter.
Those fuckers are so out of the league of spider people it's not even funny

>>87727429
I mean, I'm not going to be buying any of the clone conspiracy issues because even though it's been better than what Slott's written in the past, it's still Slott. I'm gonna pick this issue up though just because it 100% focuses on Kaine.

>>87727551
They specifically have super effective attacks vs Totems. Vs anyone with actual "animal" based powers they hit harder than the Hulk. Vs everyone else they're probably dangerous but manageable outside of Solus.

>>87724569
outrage

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>tfw anxiety over losing Kaine

Please don't, Slott. Have him move to Mexico and find peace!

We all know how Peter gets when Kaine is in danger.

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>>87728016

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>>87728023

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>>87728029
This too

>>87724247

I think the third Carrion had infection powers.

>>87724149
>How exactly is the whole clone thing a "conspiracy"?

Because then it sounds more sinister, hyping up readers, leading to more sales. The alliteration helps too.

>>87724270

And it turns out that Kaine just has liver failure-related jaundice from that beer he had that one time.

>>87727905
Couldn't Spider Hulk have beat the Inheritors no problem? Especially because of the radiation thing?

Where was he during that whole event?

>>87727473
The patriarchy line is bullshit and doesn't line up with anything she does in prior books. She isn't some third wave feminist bitch.

>>87728124
Being a background character, mostly

>>87724569
It's a joke.

You know what jokes are, right?

>>87728124
Do not go down that rabbit hole. In an infinite universe there is an infinite amount of ways spiderverse should have been easily solved.

>>87727551
Until they randomly aren't for plot convenience.

Wait a minute. If Superior Spider-Man only happened in 616, how can there be a Parker Industries in other universes?

>>87728211
Shhh, don't. Just let Slott write.

>>87728211
They're fuckin alternate universes, idiot. Think of literally any reason you want. It works. Why? Because it's a fucking alternate universe.

>>87727163
Still not as intricate as Cable's origin.

>Kaine isn't contagious

Guy, what if *he's* the cure?

>>87728307
Shut up Gwen, sex isn't the way.

>>87728211
>how can there be a Parker Industries in other universes?
Just because Otto was the catalyst for PI in 616 doesn't mean he had to be the catalyst in other universes. Remember that the first instance of Parker Industries being referenced wasn't by Slott, it was in One More Day where Peter talked to an alternate version of himself who was a CEO tech-conglomerate billionaire as a result of not settling down with MJ and applying his powerset and knowledge to running a business instead of superheroing. That version of Peter's business was Parker Industries, so it makes sense that other universes where he never married MJ could lead to PI being created too.

>>87728331
And the idea of a rich, successful Peter has existed way before OMD. Hell, even in the finale of the 90 TAS, there was an AU ultra wealthy Peter.

And probably several before that.

>>87728323
So you're saying sex with Gwen is the cure for Kaine.

God The Other was so fucking dumb

>>87728715
Aye.
>>87728758
At least The Other was more controllable, you didn't have Kaine going all GUYS, LET ME GO, I'M DANGER TO EVERYONE.
Looking at you JJJ Jr. in Carnage #14.

>>87728758
The JMS story or the creature?

The story was ok. At least, the moments between Peter and MJ were wonderfully written. The rest sucked, though.

Kaine's The Other form was based, though.

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If they kill Kaine I will cry

>>87728758
I'll be honest, I usually hate magic stuff with Spider-man, but I actually liked all the totem stuff JMS wrote about Spider-man. It was played better the first time around with the whole "Was it destiny, was it not?" thing, but I still enjoyed the actual Other story.

>>87729551
i mean that's kind of all they do with him so

>>87726192
it was an alt peter, literally who gives a fuck

>>87725329
Face it Tiger is one of her and mj's band's songs

>>87729551

>Otto utterly fucked with Kaine's emotion and made him think his brother hated him
>Peter regains control and goes to visit him in Texas
>Kaine left the country
>Months pass and Spiderverse happens
>They finally meet but they can't have a talk because fucking multiverse vampires.
>We're reaching the end of the arc
>Kaine fucking dies again
>More months pass
>Kaine is actually alive and just came back to 616
>But he won't talk to Peter because of his involvement with the Carrion

God fucking dammit.

I just want Peter to finally get to explain what happened.

>>87724378
>IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE HIM THEN FIGHT HIM!!!!

ALLEGORY HALLELUJAH.

>>87728715

Wait...SEX BETWEEN GWEN AND KAINE WILL CAUSE A RIPPLE EFFECT THAT WILL CURE EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE ACROSS THE MULTIVERSE.

And it will wipe out "Sins Past".

>>87729551
i know the feel,bro

>>87729793
>Otto utterly fucked with Kaine's emotion and made him think his brother hated him

Don't forget that immediately after this is when Kraven royally fucks with Kaines head and does the 'Ben comes back from the dead' thing.

>>87729551
>>87729841

Brothers!

>>87724262
He's a handsomey.

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>>87724378
>>87724401
>>87724413
>>87724438
So "imperfect" clones don't turn to dust or goo when they die?

>>87725136
The Other wouldn't bond with a wimp like Miles.

>>87730548

He's not a wimp you bigot, Miles is strong AND funny, get over it.

>>87724389

Rule 1 of Marvel Ultimate Universese

You know things are bad when Spider-man dies.

>>87724317
I honestly find him more sexy.
>>87724349
Agreed.
>>87724421
Also agreed.
>>87724438
She really want him, doesn't she?

A pity we're getting Depressive Kaine once again instead of full grumpy, at least for a while. He can be loveable, but can also get tiring if he's too depressive. At least he's not edgy.

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>>87724569
God, you insufferable idiots need to be castrated.

>>87724569
I'm pretty sure it was a joke.

They're a hell of a pain, in any case. That's true. I highly talk against wear high heels. Regular ones are ok. I hope guys get back to them too in their boots. Love 17th and 18th century fashion sense. You can call me a fag if you like.

>>87728029
>Peter using the mark of Kaine

I always forget that part, get me everytime. it basicaly means that Peter was always able to use it but didnt want to

>>87724101
"Quick, lets make spider wen cool gain, after the spider women crossover fuckup...and evil silk manipulating gwen´s origin..." Yeah, thats not gonna happen. and now that i think about it the web goes through space and time, so 2099. how the fuck did they miss the carrion-zombie virus?

>>87725207
Sometimes I wish Slott were writing Hank Pym too.

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>>87728029
I have to be honest, i thought i would never see this happening, i hope she will survive the event

>>87731142
no, dumb asses he adheres to her face, and then he pulls his hand to rip the flesh. JFC casual alert.

>>87731219
>Hank and Kaine
AA v2.0?

What do I read to give this story context? I jumped in on spider balls deep on CC, haven't read anything else

>>87724407
The difference here, though is that Slott wrote Peter out of his own book TWICE.

And on top of that, wrote an entire event about systematically killing every Peter universe-by-universe.

This isn't just a one off thing.

>>87729791
So? That has no impact on the context its used here.

>>87729793
>>Peter regains control and goes to visit him in Texas

Except for the whole part where this never happened. After regaining control of his body, Peter didn't give Kaine a single thought until Spider-Verse.

>>87731314
Please help me jump into spidey, CC is so much fun.

>>87727184
Think about it. It's not actually bad written this time: it's like giving a prize for doing an actual good work and encourage them to work likes this from now on.

I would if I could. Sadly, I'm not in a country that matters sales-wise.

>>87731368

>He didn't read the first fucking issue of post-Superior Spider-Man.

Wew lad.

>>87726790
The explanation is that the bodies are cloned but the mind is the real deal more or less so it's less "A clone of Gwen" and more one of the times Xavier's mind has been put into a cloned body.

I don't buy it but that's the in-story explanation.

>>87730730
>She really want him, doesn't she?
Yeah. I'd ship them, though. They're a good match for each other.

They're both misanthropes who are outsiders in their respective universes.

>>87731368
But that's wrong.

He went to visit Texas in a backup story after he got his body back, it was setting up the new warriors or something.

>>87730926
>>87730996
And you need to read a Spider-Gwen book. That is completely out of character for her. Joke or otherwise.

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DON'T KILL KAINE! I'LL LITERALLY SUCK EVERYONE'S DICK ON /CO/ FOR HIM TO HAVE A HAPPY ENDING! PLEASE

>>87731142
Welllllllll... Peter was using his "version" of it. Since Kaine would literally burn holes in people''s faces with his amped up wall clinging ability.

>>87731223
>i thought i would never see this happening
Its right on the cover of the book, numbnuts. How was that even remotely surprising?

>>87731314
Clone Conspiracy #1 and 2. That's pretty much it.

If you want to read Kaine's "death", read Spider-Verse. But I wouldn't suggest doing that. Spider-Verse is a real piece of shit.

>>87724891
That last panel could be a banner

>>87731512
Hey Scarlett Spiders was good

>>87731412
>The explanation is that the bodies are cloned but the mind is the real deal more or less

Which has, literally, no difference from any clones created in both the 70s Clone Saga or the 90s Clone Saga.

Ben Reilly and Kaine have all of Peter's memories up to their creation, for example.

The first Gwen clone (that kicked off the 70s clone saga in ASM 144) had all of Gwen's memories, too. She even thought she was the real Gwen as well.

>>87731592
Not the final issue. And it in no way saves the rest of the event. Two good issues of 32 (including all the tie ins), does not a good event make.

>>87731443
I'll hold everyone hands

>>87731303
Or Mighty.
I liked Mighty.

It was a C-Tier team, sure, but it was fun. Also was my first contact with Hank. Call me a pleb if you like.

>>87731603
But that's not what's happening at least going by the in-story explanation. It's not just a clone of Gwen with Gwen's memories, it's a cloned body of Gwen with Gwen's actual mind running things, not a fascimile of it.

I agree it's dumb and splitting hairs and the final result will just be "they're damn dirty clones" and most of them are going to die again with maybe a handful staying alive (I could see Mattie and Marla staying alive as supporting characters for Silk, maybe Gwen depending on what Marvel wants).

>>87731681
Nah, Mighty had awesome Hank.

>>87731330
You've no idea what you're talking about and are clearly just looking for reasons to shit on Slott so you can fit in. Spider-verse was about SPIDER-MEN being killed, not PETERS. A good number of them weren't even Peter Parkers, or even male for that matter.

>>87731438
Still a clear joke, which was my point to the first
post complaining.

I'm honestly not interested in Spider-Gwen, but I can admit I don't know a whole lot about her. I actually don't know a thing.

>>87731705
>it's a cloned body of Gwen with Gwen's actual mind running things, not a fascimile of it.

That's just NuJackal's marketing campaign. Jackal is also known to be completely full of shit 95% of the time.

Fuck. Go read either of the two previous clone sagas and stop being such moron. This a complete retread of old stories.

>>87731314
>>87731379
The essentials for the current happenings are ASM 2014, ASM 2015, Spider-verse, maybe even Superior but that you can read later as everything you need to know from that one is explained in ASM 2015 #20.

>>87731736
>I actually don't know a thing.
As a character, she's actually pretty interesting and neat. DRASTICALLY different from any previous version of the character.

But the book's writer, Jason Latour, really sucks at storytelling. His books are Bendis levels of decompression and it just drags on for long issues without much happening.

If that was written by someone actually competent at storytelling, it would be a godtier book.

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>>87731773
>Jackal is also known to be completely full of shit 95% of the time.
Pic-related

>>87724528

Weren't high heels originally used by men?

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>>87731890
Pic related: from the 70's clone saga.

>>87732444
Yes, for manlet men. The Patriarchy is anti-manlet hence the torture devices.

>>87731662
Gohanfag?

>>87733362
Hi /a/, i knew you were lurking

I know im going to lose the bet, i just like to hold hands

>>87732444
Yes. But the 20th century is that level of silly. They were wore by both sexes from early the 19th to the first decade of 20th, I think.

It's a torture to wear, in any case. Does destroy your feet, ankles and back, for all the sexyness they can bring: in the end, you end with ugly as fuck feet and permanent back pain.

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>>87727163
That's small time.

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>>87733649
I'm ready for you

>>87727545

Is 2099 in the cancellation zone already?

>>87724569

Well men DID wear high hells first in society.

Great, Slott killing of a good character for no real reason.

Fuck this man.

>>87734751

Bendis has a gun to his head, there's just too many spiders running around.

>>87724569
Holy shit, all of those /co/mblr replies

>>87734751
Let's be honest, there's no way Kaine will stay dead for long.

>>87724438
Kaine isnt a scientist how is he doing all this?

>>87734938
He's a clone Peter Parker, moron. He has all of Peter's memories and intuition.

>>87727184

I'm going to tomorrow. Today my LCS was closed because of a gas leak.

>>87735161
In his own series he says he can't do science shit cock sucker.

>>87735230
>only reading recent Kaine appearance

Ok, casual scum.

>>87735161
Kaine doesn't have any of Peter's memories, you'd know that if you read comics.

>>87736112
The fuck are you even talking about?

>>87736112
>I've never read The Mark Of Kaine, where Kaine specifically tries to protect Mary Jane from Jackal and the non-Reilly clones because of the memories he inherited and having seen visions of her potential death.

Go read the 90's clone saga, moron.

>>87735173
Must have been one hell of a burrito.

>>87736555

There is a White Castle a block away. I'm someone had an urge and well.. that was the result of said leak.

>>87734851
>>87724569
/co/mbler, please... shouldn't you be off playing Watch_Doges 2 right now? XIE MAD, y'know?

>>87732578
How long did this clone saga last?

>>87730332
There ain't many ugly heroes.

can one of you friendly neighborhood anons give me a brief sum up of Clone Conspiracy #2? I seemed to have missed it

>>87724528

>"patriarchy is evil" meme

Fuck...and they were doing so well...

>>87727184
Slott's the one that made Kaine's series possible in the first place.

>>87737562
It runs from ASM 139 to 150.

>>87727459
Considering 65-Gwen punched Lizard Peter to death.... no

>>87729551
>>87728029
What specific comics are these from?

>>87740905
Scarlet Spider for the first (or was it Superior Spider-man Team-up?) and Grim Hunt for the second.

>>87741200
Thanks. Grim Hunt I've never read. Looks dope.

wow this is awful, the general idea of it is cool and the art isn't bad but the dialogue and pacing is just horrendous