Do we agree

>>87714118
Homer's not that shitty as a dad, he honestly tries, he just have very little patience.

>>87714149
And he's dumb as fuck.

>>87714118
Lois was a good mom in seasons 1-3

>>87714327
That too. If anything Homer is the shittiest son on the list.

Homer's not a great husband

>simpsons
>great family
ehhh

>>87714118
I remember an old pre-cancellation FG episode where Peter tried to help Meg to make friends at school playing a fake student character based on Fonzie.

Peter was like a totally different character and helpful with his daughter.

>>87714118
Switch Homer's around.

Also Lisa is the only shit child, Bart and Maggie are both fine.

>>87714118
Marge is a shitty mom. She constantly tells her kids to repress themselves to the point of psychological damage.

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>Linda
>Shitty Wife

>>87714118
Comparatively, Bob's Family has been the most consistent.

>>87714843
Lisa is a shitty character, but she's a great child.

>>87714905
Linda is GOAT house wife character, but she does do some shitty/annoying things very often like when she got upset at Bob for flirting her sister despite being entirely her idea in the first place and Bob not at all wanting to do it.

Bob put's it best. They all love each other and mean well but they're all a little terrible in their own way.

>>87714838

Everyone was nicer to Meg. Lois also went and got revenge on some kids at school who fucked with her.

Meg being the family punching bag wasn't a thing in pre-cancellation Family Guy. Before that, the joke was that she was just painfully mediocre.

>>87715009
This, to the point that when she realized she was being an asshole to her dad she made amends for it

>>87714118
do KOTH. I think its like BB except peggy is shit at everything

Now do the parents and kids from Rick & Morty.

Shitty everyone, but they love each other in their own unhealthy, fucked up ways?

>>87715126
The only "good" person in the show is Morty. Hell, Rick happily left his family to die at one point and just replaced them.

>>87715106
I'd also say Bobby is a good kid.
I mean he's done some asshole-ish things and his obsession with the new trend of the week really upsets his dad but overall he's a good kid. Not right, but good.

>>87714663
>Goes out of his way for Marge whenever he fucks up.
Granted, he fucks up a lot, but you can tell that he tries, and truly does care about Marge.

>>87714843
>>87715009
Lisa is a shitty character and an off and on shitty child. She's not constantly shitty like Bart, but at her worst she can reach similar levels.

>>87714118
Depends, 80's era Homer was a shitty husband and shitty dad. He was more a of downtrodden and overworked head of the household that had no time for Marge and a very short temper and tolerance for Bart and Lisa's bullshit. Most of his screen time is just him being pissed off at the kids.

90's era Homer was the most well developed Homer, he frequently between hard decisions, either putting his own happiness over his family or putting his family's happiness and interests first. He was an idiot with good intentions.

Early 2000's Homer is pretty spot on.

Late 2000's and present day Homer is barely a husband or dad, he's just there to do the choke gag on Bart and to say "D'oh!" And to be an lolrandumb idiot.

>>87715159
Are you caught up? Character development has happened.

Rick turned himself in to the Galactic Federation so his family could go home instead of living as fugitives.

Also, I'd say Summer cares about Morty at the very least. And Beth and Jerry are trying. The problem is, everyone on the show is extremely damaged.

>>87715213
No I am not caught up, so I am not looking at that spoiler.

>>87714327
And he's constantly drunk
and he's emotionally distant to everybody unless something he likes is involved
and he's left his kids in the middle of dangerous places multiple times
and he might be a communist porn star
...
Y'know what, I'm going to just sit down and shut up now.

>>87715235
Good call, then. Holy shit, I love that show. I caught up and then rewatched the whole thing.

>>87715207
which era was the bart the daredevil ep?
Or when Homer first gets the safefty iunspector job?
Because those are the first times I really thought Homer would do anything, even die, for his family.

>>87715268
90s era simpsons, Most of the good shit is during that time with a few good episodes sprinkled in the early 2000s.

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>>87714118
Here comes a new challenger!

>>87715207
How about mid 2000s Homer

>>87715336
Hank isn't a great husband. He's not a shitty one, but he's average at best. Great Dad material for sure, even though he's so conservative he lets Bobby be Bobby. Hell, there are episodes where Hank is open-minded enough to find a reason to encourage Bobby to be Bobby.

>>87715358
More or less good husband and shitty dad, with alot of filler episodes of him being an idiot for the sake of being an idiot. Mid 2000s was a transition period the shitty zombified garbage we have now.

>>87715213
>That spoiler
Rick is still an overall shitty person, even if he has his moments.

I'd also argue Morty is slowly becoming a shitty person as well, though more subtly.

>>87715393
He puts up with Peggy's shit, that's enough to qualify him as a saint in my books.

>>87715431
don't you like spapeggy and meatballs?

>>87715419
I think they're all changing. Rick is becoming better, albeit slowly. Morty is slowly becoming worse, or at least less naive/innocent. Summer is becoming more confident and driven. Beth and Jerry are slowly getting better at communicating.

That said, I think the show will have a happy ending, assuming it isn't just unexpectedly canceled or something.

>>87714118
>Marge
>great wife great mom
I'll agree with great wife, maybe even best wife in my book for putting up with Homer's complete shittiness as a husband, but she's a terrible mother
the kids aren't saints in any way, with Bart being the worst hellion ever conceived by Satan's fiery seed, but the only one she gives a shit about is Maggie, and that's because she isn't old enough to go to school yet
Lisa is pretty much a blank spot on her radar, and when she does notice her, it's usually after Lisa has given up on getting any attention at all, or to nag at her for daring to talk about something she (Marge) doesn't understand
Bart is a terrible kid, sure, but he didn't become that way because of her excellent parenting skills, she basically lets him get away with murder (or nags him for acting like a kid) and just tries to shift the blame and work onto Homer for anything bad happening
at least she tries to be an average mother for Maggie, but to be honest, it's probably because she's the only thing she has left before she finally loses it and gets arrested by Wiggum for trying to abduct the Nahasapeemapetilons' octuplets

>>87714118
No.
Homer is shitty on all accounts but genuinely loves him family and comes through when it matters.
Marge is a great wife and mom, it's really her only character most the time, the rest of her character tends to be based on how little character she has the rest of the time.
The Kids vary. Lisa has the over, Bart has the under. Maggie is rarely relevant but she has saved the Family on several occasions so I guess she's the best.

All the Family Guy characters are shitty on all accounts. Before the show was shit they were pretty much the same as the Simpsons except Stewie was genuinely evil.

The Belchers are a pretty good family with foibles that cause conflict but in the end they're a mostly compatible family. The only time they're really shit is when they're just flagrantly inconsiderate of Bob despite how easy it would be to just not be a dick for a relatively short amount of time.

>>87716113
>The only time they're really shit is when they're just flagrantly inconsiderate of Bob despite how easy it would be to just not be a dick for a relatively short amount of time.
That's most episodes though. Hell most of the time it seems like Bob's kids are actively sabotaging the family business like they're immune to homelessness or something.

>>87715336

Peggy may be an annoying know-it-all at times, but she always try to be on the side of good and is dedicated as hell to her husband and son.

And she's not supposed to be smoking hot or anything, but she can be attractive in an average housewife kind of way and is way more capable as an individual than Minh or Nancy, who are basically trophy wives who have pretty much nothing to offer outside of their looks, which are going to fade when they all get old and wrinkly in a few years anyway.

Peggy will be an awesome grandma.

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>>87716113
>That episode where Louise fucks up bobs chance with the community garden.

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>Shitty Husband Shitty Dad
>Great Wife Great Mom
>Great Kids Powerful Family

>>87715336
Peggy is a decent wife and mother

She's just a shitty everything else

>>87716441
>Ruined Bobby's Thanksgiving meal because she was mad he was actually good at something she sucked at.

>good mom

>>87716874

Not saying she never fucked up, but ruining a Thanksgiving meal is standard sitcom shit.

>>87714149
i'd say he's a lot better a dad than he is a husband

>>87716749
To be fair, Goku was at least thinking of the bigger picture. He knew that he wouldn't be around to protect the Earth forever, and whenever the next big threat showed up, he needed someone who could take over.
Still a shitty father and husband (with no real excuse in Super), but at least he had a reason at one point.

there is literally no reason to put Linda as shitty wife/nice mone

she is either shitty or nice at both, there isn't any difference in her character relationship with Bob/children

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>>87716749
I'd put Chichi in ok wife and ok mom at best

>>87715336
>alright kids
>not boy ain't right
You had one job and you dun goofed.

>>87714118
Out of all the kids in Bob's Burgers which one is the least shittiest? I would have to say Louise considering one is just stupid and the other one is just autistic and awkward to watch.

>>87715009
She's has literally had people almost killed, or had their lives ruined out of pettiness or stupidity, Homer included.

Lisa is a disgusting monster of a human being. Bart's only time of nearly killing Homer was a prank gone wrong, other than that he tries to make amends or do right when he notices he does wrong. Maggie has outright saved her parents lives several times.

>>87717951
Well yeah, Louise is a future diabolical movie villain. We just get to see her years before she gets to her full potential.

Anything the Belcher kids do can be blamed on them being kids. They're at worst short sighted

>>87715336
Peggy is a great mom actually, it's her one redeeming feature.

>>87718388
This. She's a good mom, she's just terrible at pretty much everything else despite how much she lies to herself.

>>87715063
I remember an episode where Meg comes home from school and Peter asks her about how cheering try outs went. Very strange to compare it to newer episodes and that's really sad.

>>87714118
I was trying to figure out how this would be for American Dad, but it seems impossible.

Francine is always a great wife and a great mother, but everyone else always flip flops
Stan is either an amazing father who loves his children and a dedicated husband, but sometimes he'll hate Steve and Hayley and fuck over Francine.

More recently it seems like he accepts his kids, and it's debatable if they're good kids or not. But it's certain they're a good family.

>>87719989
Francine is spot on, and yeah Stan is very bipolar(enough that it leaves him as average overall, albeit slightly leaning towards bad), Steve is a good son for the most part, and Hayley is honestly a pretty crappy daughter in most episodes

>>87716749

18 is best mom and wife. She may be hard on Krillin but she keeps pushing him to do better.

Chichi is a good mom but an okay wife. Damn bitch let your husband and son save the world or else nobody is getting a college education!

>>87715203
Lisa only cares for Lisa. Anytime someone succeeds at something, she'll either be jealous or be against it, and they always give it up for her sake.

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>>87714118
No we don't agree.

Marge is a shit wife and mom. She turned Homer into the cops multiple times (I'm counting the FBI snitching) and to me that's the worst thing your partner can do to you. It's the equivalent of telling Nazis your family is in the attic. Unless they killed someone you don't do that shit.

Marge also is a bad mom, telling her kids to not be themselves if it conflicts with her own beliefs which are more often than not misguided and outdated.

Lois is a shit wife, cheating on Peter multiple times and a mother that's have her children taken away from her. (Oh wait that happened)

Bob is the best husband ad father though, I definitely agree with that. He may not always like what his kids do but he always supports them. Same with Linda. It's a nice change of pace to see good parents in a fox cartoon and still have it be a funny show

>>87719867
It's pathetic how much she lied to herself. She's completely delusional. I know a lot of people lie to themselves more often than normal but gas anyone ever met someone THAT delusional?

>>87716749
ChiChi is a terrible mother, she turned Gohan into a total dork, she infested him wid book learnin'

a half-sayain read SO MANY BOOKS that his eyesight deteriorated, she did that to a sayain, and then he stopped training, and became a weird-ass super hero cosplayer.

you just don't do that to someone you love, man.

>>87721847
now gohan has written a book that teaches normies how to manipulate ki and earth's collective power level is going to grow exponentially until even random lazy teenagers are as powerful as krillin

>>87721898
I don't think that is how it works. I once read a book about fencing, I cannot into swordplay

Bulma and Trunks make more and better science than Gohan ever could, even if he studies his entire life, because his father and mother, family in general are not that smart people, he never inherited any smarts, he will always be average in that field and he's only there because Chichi forced him into that life

>>87721945
If there was a book on how to learn and practice using magic that was proven to work everyone and their mother would work their ass to be able to do it.

>>87716441
Minh handles social interaction with thier neighbors in ways Khan wouldn't even consider and personality-wise is tailor made for him, while Nancy is the breadwinner in her family.

Agreed that Peggy's crazy underrated on /co/.

>>87721847

Aside from ruining him as a great fighter, Gohan really has a good life. He's actually happy. In that case, Chichi really did the best for her son.

On the flipside, teen Gohan was the best character and having him take over for his dad was what the show was building up to.

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>>87714118
>Homer is a shitty dad

>>87717741
>>87720869
>>87721847
Chi-Chi was a great wife and mother, I can't imagine another character that handles their family dying repeatedly and not coming back for years as well as she does. Not to mention she somehow does every single house chore like cooking on her own. She only wants Gohan to get that education because her husband was illiterate and the constant training only causes more aliens to be interested in Earth anyway.

>>87722200
Shitty parenty may have their days when they do a lot of good for you but if they're shitty most of the time they're shitty period.

>>87714118
Nah. Griffins are shitty everything, Belchers are great everything.

>>87722246
It's more than one day. Homer gave up on his dream job and has been suffering through Mr. Burns' bullshit and abuse for longer than we know all for the sake of his kids. Just because he's grouchy and dumb doesn't make him a bad dad. He does what's right.

>>87716749
What about Vegeta and his family?

>>87717520
Goku isn't a big picture guy. He just wanted sparring partners and tough kids. The closest he ever thought to protecting the world was putting Gohan up against Cell.

>>87714118
Early Homer was a good dad, the universe just hates his guts, he has nothing in common with Lisa, Bart is a clever hellraiser, and Homer just isn't that smart. He really tries which is more than can be said for Bart and Lisa

>>87716749
Nah Chichi a shit. She keeps pretending her family can ever be normal or endures normal family problems. Goku is probably the closest thing to a good dad the saiyan race ever produced

>>87715336
>alright kids
>not "kid ain't right"
How can you fuck up such a simple thing? You should be ashamed of yourself

>>87714118
Simpsons is alright.

Family Guy
>Great husband Shitty dad
>Shitty wife Shitty mom
>Shitty kids shitty family

Bobs Burgers
>Great Husband great dad
>Great wife great mom
>great kids great family

Louis is really fucked up to Peter. She even fucked Bill Clinton.

The kids in bob's burgers are the main driving force of the show.

>>87715336
>Peggy
She's a great wife and great mom. She's just an annoying character, but she odes her family good.

>Bobby
That boy ain't right.

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>>87723027
>louis

>>87722317
Vegeta
Great Husband Great (sayan) father
Bulma
Great Wife Great Mother
Shitty (or just petulant) children
Overall Great prideful Family

>>87719989
There are periods where Stan flip flops between great and shitty on a weekly basis.

Also, there's a difference between the Fox Smiths and TBS Smiths

>>87714118
Homer is the shittiest to both he has had several episodes that can be summarized as "forgetting Marge exists"
Marge was once good but is now basically Nag to Homer and always pick Lisa as right
The kids use to be good as well but went mouthpiece and stupid respectively.

Peter is spit on.
Louis cheated on Peter at least 3 times and he only knows about one of them, on top of that she has out right hurt Peter against his will for pleasure on several occasions
kids is spot on

Bob is spot on
Linda is a pretty good wife overall just overeager in helping Bob that said I say she is subpar Wife, not shitty
The kids should be Subpar as well because they work like those Soursweet candy commercials where it seems for every bad action they take they try to do good as well.

>>87723997
Nope.

Vegeta
>Alright husband, terrible father

Bulma
>Great wife, great mother

Trunks
>Alright kid

Future Trunks
>Great Kid(Sometimes a bit needy)

Overall horrible family unit. Mostly Vegeta's fault due to his high sodium levels about Goku.

>>87724341
>Sometimes a bit needy

I like how we're writing off, a child needing his father and his father's manchild bestfriend to help save the future, as needy.

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>>87724341
>terrible father

>>87724766
How is making Trunks suck him off not terrible?

>>87714663
he tries his damned hardest though and considering how he lived and grew up its pretty amazing. notice that the end of any Lisa episode where shes crying and complaining he always manages to cheer her up. Hell he didnt even cheat on Marge with the woman that was literally PERFECT for him while Marge fantasized about cheating him on him in another episode. Homer truly loves his family and wants whats best for them thats why people in the community really like him even though hes a complete idiot sometimes. Homers entire saving grace is that he constantly does whatever his family needs of him and loves them despite whatever bullshit may go down.


>>87718388
>the episode she sabotaged Bobby because he cooked better than her

yeah nah

>>87717226
He chokes his 10 year old son

>>87714118
Lois is not even a great anything anymore. Literally every character on FG has gone to shit. And with the Simpsons the only remotely likeable members of the family left are Marge and Maggie and one of them doesn't even talk.

>>87721069
>Marge is a bad mom because she tries to instill her own beliefs in her children
In what sense is that not the definition of raising them?

I agree with the rest of the post but goddamn that's a dumb sentence

>>87724290
>louis
>>87723210

>>87715268
Those are Seasons 1-2 when Homer was still just Generic Sitcom Dad. He didn't really become the Homer we all know until Season 3.

>>87714118
Marge is a terrible person though.

Scully era Homer was just shit though.

>rude LOLsorandumb idiot who gets a new job every episode and goes on wacky adventures with Bart serving as Deputy Droopalong.

>>87715018
not to mention when she let Bob be robbed multiple times and lose tons of money just so she could fulfill her musical fantasy

>>87718008
Then there was that time Bart made Homer so angry that it actually saved his life for some reason? I can't remember exactly, it's post season 9 I think

>>87728635
I Am Furious Yellow, but most people just remember that one for Stan Lee.

>>87721069
>Marge also is a bad mom, telling her kids to not be themselves if it conflicts with her own beliefs which are more often than not misguided and outdated.

Marge is just a stand-in for the writers' parents in the 60s-70s. That's how they put it on one of the DVD commentaries anyway.

>>87714149
Most dads don't strangle their kids.

>>87715238
He literally has a crayon in his brain, his abilities are limited but he genuinely tries.

https://up.zone/3

>>87729181
>>87714149
"There was one time when we were going to have Homer strangle Lisa, but we couldn't do it. She's just too sweet."

-- Mike Reiss

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>>87715393

>that episode where Hank straight up tells Bobby that as long as a person's job is good, honest work, then it's worthy of respect
>Bobby gets a job cleaning up dogshit that pays a fucking mint
>Hank puts a stop to it because some college douches laugh at him

>>87729449
that job would have gotten bobby ridiculed all his life, the reason the man could do it is that he was handsome, so him picking up dogshit didn't mattered

>>87729445
>too sweet

>>87714118
>shitty kids
>great family

Isn't that... Wait... Never mind.

>>87714118
My ex was a lot like Linda. she wanted to have, like, 4 kids, was super overbearing, was much more dominant in bed, had the same sense of humor and such. fuck i miss her. that cheating bitch.

>>87716749
Goku's a Good father at times and bad at others.

He genuinely seems to love his kids and look after them, but he also kinda throws them to the lions without a safety net very often. He's not the kinda dad you could talk to about having a problem. He wouldn't know how to respond or help. He's the kinda dad who'd push you to be your best and be there to catch you if you fall short.

Chi-chi conversely would rather protect you from things that could hurt you while pushing you to excel at things with no personal risk (ie. she's completely fine with her sons fighting in tournaments but not with them fighting actual aliens or androids planning to kill them)

>>87730090
Yeah I know...Mike Reiss thinks he's in a 1950s dreamland.

>>87716749
>beating up your husband makes you a Great Wife

you some kind of masochist anon?

>>87724766
>The first time he hugged his son was when he was 9.
>And then he immediately exploded.

It's a good thing he came right back or Trunks probably would've had a complex about hugs for the rest of his life.

>>87722233
I can't argue with that Get.

>>87730377
Goku's put her through a wall and thrown her into the atmosphere. They're about even.

Hell They got back together by fighting each other in a tournament.

>>87716113
>Marge is a great wife and mom, it's really her only character most the time, the rest of her character tends to be based on how little character she has the rest of the time

Of all the main cast, Marge has the fewest episodes. In the classic seasons, she'd get an average of 1-2 episodes per season while Homer or Lisa would get like 5-10 each.

>>87716441
Minh is an excellent wife and mother, aside from pushing her daughter too hard.

>>87716749
>average husband shitty dad
>shitty wife great mom
>great kids powerful, badass, heroic family

>>87730377
its Goku, if his wife didn't try to beat him up once in a while he'd just get disappointed

they got married right after a martial arts tournament in which they competed against eachother after all

>>87714991
Really? I feel like the kids have undergone full flanderization where they're just their more extreme personality traits now.

>>87729445
>Abuse is OK if the victim is a boy.

>>87730500
I don't even remember any noteworthy Marge episodes. All Marge centric episodes I can remember where about her being fed up with Homer and almost leaving him for another man like that one with the seals

>>87730286
>ie. she's completely fine with her sons fighting in tournaments but not with them fighting actual aliens or androids planning to kill them
And that is perfectly reasonable.

>>87724341
Great husband
>fucks Bulma all the time, defends her honor, etc.
Better dad than Goku, and always improving throughout the series.

Great wife
>Knows how to fuck and have fun

Great mother
>richest family on earth makes that a given in the main timeline, but she was a good mom in Trunk's future timeline regardless of that.

Good kids

Great family chalk full of Power, intelligence, sexyness, and money.

>>87722307
He tries to be a good dad at times but he fails most of the times. A boxer who tries but fails most of the times is not a good boxer.

>>87719989
>Francine is always a great wife and a great mother
She has cheated on Stan twice and has had several plots where she pitch the idea and then was mad when Stan followed it
She let Steve nearly die and has treated Haily like garbage many times (however twice was with the help of Rodger but that's no excuse)

>>87729445
He should strangle her and not stop.

>>87730629

She did that in an earlier season as well

>>87730849
Keep in mind he was talking about Season 3 Lisa which was very unlike Season 20 Lisa.

>>87714118

Marge really isn't that great a mom. She tries more than Homer but half the time she's as stupid as he is about connecting with them and solving their problems. Also every time she gets pissed at Homer for being negligent or whatever she runs off and leaves the kids either with him (who, remember, she just ditched for being negligent) or with her emotionally abusive chimney stack sisters. "Decent Mom" maybe. And Homer's more of a "Mediocre Dad".

Change the Family Guy one to "Shitty Wife" considering she's repeatedly raped and beaten Peter and it'd be accurate.

>>87715079

When was that? It definitely wasn't the roast pig incident, since she wouldn't even admit she was wrong without adding "too", and she did absolutely nothing to make it up to him.

>>87731030
"Everyone in Springfield is stupid, including Lisa."

-- Bill Oakley

>>87731124

Be nice if they showed Lisa being stupid a little more often.

>>87714149
If Homer was in any sense of the word a "good dad", he would've quit his job in the nuclear meltdown episode.

>>87715009
Also she was literally jealous of a fucking baby.

>>87714118
>Bob's Burgers
>everything not great

It's the only pure thing left on television.

>>87731175
it's funny 'cos Lisa is always smart in the show and always dumb in fanfiction

>>87724766
There are more examples than last second change of heart anon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ9NlOaS_3U

>>87714149
and pretty much retarded, must be republican.

>>87731538

Yeah, I mean, he hasn't started forcing Bart to wear dresses and play with only approved gender neutral toys and told him if he ever votes Republican he'll be disowned like a proper liberal parent. When are we going to see some real quality parenting from a cartoon, huh?

>>87731538
You lost, dude. Bigtime.

>>87731538
>must be republican
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK_Ahtg5CxE

I may not like the simpsons, at all, but you have to admit people here went somewhere a main character of a 27 years old series shouldn't have went

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>>87729449
>that episode where Hank straight up tells Bobby that as long as a person's job is good, honest work, then it's worthy of respect
Except the job wasn't good. He got basically nothing for it and it wasn't honest because in reality he was just being used as a source of amusement by some college douches.

>>87730500
And when she does have an episode it's usually her taking a step back and saying "I have nothing going on" and trying to fix that.

>>87715336
Marge is a great mom for kids who can be really shitty at times; it's a wonder that the family is still standing with Homer as the patriarch.

Agree on Family Guy except for Lois: even if you account for some sexual stuff, she's more often a humorless nag or an unrepentant bitch.

Haven't watched Bob's Burgers in years, so no comment.

Bobby's a great kid, Hank is the greatest man in America, and Peggy's shitty for anyone who isn't Hank and Bobby. However, Peggy is the great wife and great mom that Hank and Bobby want and need.

>>87715336
Can anyone include a picture of the family from the Cleveland show that just has "Obama's America" written underneath?

>>87731175
Lisa is stupid in that she doesn't use her smarts for anything useful. As an English major, I can relate to the limited practical applications of creativity.

>>87732990

That's like saying "Well that character isn't invincible in that they occasionally get punched a few times before winning the fight." She's still the sole voice of common sense, reason, and intelligence in the entire fucking town, her having only a handful of outlets for her creativity is less of a character weakness than kryptonite.

>>87724766
Goku was there for the first five years of Gohan's life and trained/spent time with him for three years with Piccolo then spent a year all alone with him inside of the Time Chamber where they actively played around with one another and had Father-son bonding then when Goku came back after seven years they showed no ill will to eachother and showed support to one another for the fight against Buu, Goku also spends plenty of time with Goten in Super and seems to have a strong bond with him.

Compared to Vegeta who literally ignored his time travelling Son for two years in the chamber and payed little to no attention to his son to the point that he didn't even show affection to him until he was eight years old and Vegeta was about to commit suicide in a kamikaze blast.

Vegeta literally has no excuses where as Goku has been dead or in the middle of outer space whenever he is absent, the only time he seriously left his family behind with no honest reason is GT and Super where he left them for 5 years in GT or so and a year in Super to train with Whis.

Even then he expresses his love for Chi-Chi and says he does what he does because he knows she can handle it, not healthy but it does show that he has a great deal of respect and love for her.

Average Husband, Good Father. Vegeta is a Shit Father and Decent Husband.

>>87724898
>Hell he didnt even cheat on Marge with the woman that was literally PERFECT for him

Dude, he fucked Mindy and then felt guilty so he just pretended it was Marge.

>>87714663
Didn't he once try to kill himself because he thought he hit Marge?

>>87736525

Vegeta's a pretty fuckin' awesome father... by Saiyan standards.

I mean he didn't kill his son outright for apparently being weak or anything.

>>87728879
I swear I really did it one time