MARVEL TRINITY

>>87711559
It's a 3-some... Sam still gets ignored and left out.

>>87711559
>Sams hand is on the inside of her upper thigh

Lewd

>>87711559
Only one of these characters will still be remembered in the next decade and it sure as hell isn't Miles.

>>87711628
I'm sure Bendis will make sure Miles sticks around for a very, very long
Sam is on his way out soon

>>87711559
>Marvel ever having a Trinity of their own.
>Anyone ever caring for these literal who's.

TOP LOL!

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>>87711618

Where do you think Mile's back hand is at?

>>87711697
Marvel had a trinity, but since they're too autistic to market as such them anymore, Wolverine, Spider-Man, and Hulk keep getting the shaft.

>>87711628
>he thinks Kamala will be remembered in that long
ahahahahahaha

>>87711628
Nova, buddy. He's gonna make it. Rejoice, lads.

>>87711787

Yeah, except Disney markets the old Spiderman, Wolverine and Hulk in the movie- and toy merchandises. So it makes all the Bendis' attempt to replace them with new heroes that much more hilarious. Disney know which characters bring the money in, and they sure as hell aren't Black Spiderman or San Fran muslim girl.

>>87711826
He'll be the first death in whatever event they do next summer.

>>87711813
Every generation has that one new character that sticks around. Miles will forever go down in history as a Peter recolor and only come back to be made fun of, like every literally who. They're probably going to kill off Sam to boost Dick Rider up some more. This leaves Kamala as the prime contestant.

>>87711787
Now it's Spiderman, Ironman, and Wolverine

>>87711737
I guess we know their respective positions.

>>87711878
A fitting end for a character who knows nothing but suffering. At least he shall be remembered this way anyway.

>>87711878
>Killing Loeb's dead son
I don't think this will happen anytime soon

>>87711559

How come no one has stoned her to death for not wearing a burqa yet?

>>87712253
>Jack Kirby's wife in a porno
Writers have no class

I'd actually like this group a lot if Waid wasn't involved. Even as a leftie his #woke bullshit is cringe as hell

>>87712407
this desufampai.

i just want teen trinity adventures that arent dragged down by all this bullshit but civil war 2 and #woke wont let anything good happen

>>87712293
Because he lives in New Jersey.

>>87711559
>>87711628

>Miles

Literally worthless after being retconned into 616, not that he was something to write home about in Ultimate but there was something. Here he can't ven stand next to Peter, because he gets crushed below Scarlet Spider/2099/Venom's more unique designs and stories

Then again, Bendis.

>Sam

Novas can be replaced and it doesn't look like he will pass the test of time.

I'm giving it to Kamala by elimination unless Bendis intervention.

>>87711628
>nobody but Willow can writer her well
>became a soapbox character
>sold less than her first volume in floppies and trade

She will stay as long as the Trinity stays seeing how Sam gets kept up. However if she slips from under her current editor the muslim lady, she will likely get killed for shock value in an event.

>>87712253
didn't DC already do that?

>>87712253
I think that with the original back, there's no use for him. Not like there really was to begin with

>>87712691
>there can be like 6 human Green Lanterns
>2 Novas is too much

>>87712708
Nova works much better as a Lone Ranger.

>>87711628
Miles is the most popular of the 3 from comics sales to normies anon

>>87712493
I love Kaine like the next anon but his sales were shit and Miles has never sold as bad as 2099 currently sells

>>87712770
Just like the Spider-Man reskin before him, and the one before that, and the one before that. When you're major defining quality is "Just like character A but B", then you wont last.

>>87712770
Spider-Girl got 100 issues and is forgotten forever now
Miles sucks compared to Mayday

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>>87711559
Why Miles wrotte that? Why he has a literal cuck fetish?

>>87712708
Look, it's the Green Lanterns CORPS
Not the Nova Corps

>>87711559
>Muslim feminazi bitch
>Black Spiderman which is disgusting in the first place
>hispanic cuck
Jeez, Marvel should be proud of this Trinity

>>87712921
Because Miles is Marvel's first cuckhold super hero.

>>87712982
Miles is the one who wrote this fan fiction, that makes him the cuck.

>>87713019
But Bendis didn't cucked Miles. He turned into cuck Loeb's dead son. Or I misunderstood smth?

>>87712858
The difference is normies don't know about mayday

>>87713169
>Normies didn't know about Spider-Girl.

Underage detected. She was fucking everywhere, even in those children books staring the Spider-Man going to the zoo.

>>87713260
this
Spider-Girl was actually my introduction to comic books when my teacher bought me a subscription
She was all over school fairs and classrooms.
Mayday was a big deal and Marvel's first female to hit 100 issues solo.
Spider-series will always sell. Forever ever no matter what.

>>87711813
Kamala's the biggest new character they've had in a while, anon. She's sticking.

>>87713352
She really isnt

>>87711670
That all depends on how long Bendis' arteries remain unclogged.

>Stan Lee will absorb Bendis in our lifetimes

>>87713403
She is.
It's pathetic, because she's only moderately successful and even then only because they've shilled the everloving FUCK out of her, but she is.

>>87713464
Damian
Miles
Spider-Gwen

all of those ongoings sell/sold better than Kamala's

>>87713439
I'm sure Bendis already has a successor

>>87712456
How come nobody hung her from a tree for setting foot on NY soil, then?

>>87713615
There aren't any successors in the comic writing biz. Especially when you're Bendis.

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>>87713549
>Brings up a DC character when talking about successful Marvel characters.
You fucking what?

>>87713549
Miles and Spider-Gwen will fade into obscurity though. They're just fads of the times, the storylines involving them will be made fun of in the future "LOL! Remember when Peter's dead girlfriend from an alternate reality had spider powers?!?" "KEK, I know, wtf were they thinking?!?" Damian will stick around though, but that's DC's character that's sticking. Marvel's likely suspect is Kamala, especially since it seems they're grooming her for a movie or something.

>>87713711
shit, I forgot he was talking about just marvel but the other two still count

>>87713682
Well, there is the guy who will rent out dancing shoes at his grave.

>>87713549
damien is DC not Marvel, Miles is FIVE YEARS OLD now, spidergwen has little to no public traction outside of people who already knew who gwen stacy was

>>87713795
Now that I think of it, what has he had to show for five years of existing? I can't recall any memorable moment the character has ever had.

>>87713759
>it seems they're grooming her for a movie or something.
I don't see it.
Her powers would look odd in CGI.
Oh wait. She'll be on that one tv show.

>>87713759
Dude Miles has been around longer than Kamala and still sells better than her. You're are just reaching here.

>Grooming her for a movie
She's an Inhuman. She's TV tier at most

>>87713823
Hes still around. Thats pretty good for a legacy character

>>87713549
Damian isn't a Marvel character so I don't know what the fuck.

Miles and Gwen fall under this
>>87713260
>>87713319
this argument, ESPECIALLY Spider-Gwen in that she's Spider-Man + Gwen Stacey.

Like, think about what you're putting forward here. A Robin and two Spider-Men. They're going to outsell a book called "Ms. Marvel" regardless because of their very names. Their sales don't really reflect permanence in public consciousness.

Kamala's still a legacy character, but only in a very light sense. Her not-terribly-impressive success is still the biggest new successes Marvel's had on a character that isn't one of their normal big sellers for a long while.

>>87713828
Sales have nothing to little to do with who sticks around in comics. It's already been said, but Mayday was a thousand times more popular than Miles, now look at her. Miles is a direct result of current situations and culture, thusly, once the trends of this decade pass he'll go with them. Remember Vengeance? Yeah, me neither.

>>87714015
No, he's a direct result of Bendis having a seat of power. As long as Bendis is around, Miles will NOT leave.

>>87714056
>All the normies turning on Bendis after CWII.

So he's gonna last for about another two years?

>>87713935
>A Robin and two Spider-Men. They're going to outsell a book called "Ms. Marvel" regardless because of their very names.
tell that to teen titans, spider-man 2009, spidey etc

>>87713636
Because she lives in JERSEY

>>87712921
He doesn't have a cuck fetish, he has a threesome fetish, try and keep up.

>>87714107
Miles book is literally just Spider-Man without any adjective. You must be really new if you don't know how well that name impacts sales.

>>87714173
Nah, Miles is a cuck.

>>87714204
Do you think readers are this retarded?

Everyone knows Peter's book is Amazing Spider-Man

>>87714239
>Do you think readers are this retarded?
Yes, absolutely. It's the reason why there's always been the sales trend of

Amazing > Spectacular > Sensation > Web of

no matter who's writing what. There are people out there who only buy things because of the title. But as I said before, that doesn't even matter because the amount of sales a character has has little to do with how long they will stay around.

>>87714239
They bought Azrael Batman.
They bought Clone Saga Spider-Man.
They bought Civil War, and Fear Itself, and Original Sin.

Yes.
Yes I fucking do.

There's also the fact that Bendis's name, despite what we'd prefer, sells books. That's just a fucking fact. Bendis on a book called "Spider-Man" sells a lot of copies whether it's good or not.

People have a hard time defining who Miles now, so how do you think he's gonna fare in ten years? You're delusional if you think he'll be any more well remembered than Stephanie Brown is aside from the novelty of there having been a black Spider-Man at one point.

>>87714119
But she occasionally crosses the moat and besmirches the soil of her betters.

>>87711559
>we're in love because ___
Oh, ok.

>>87714611
I know its hard to believe but the Miles hate is a /co/ thing

>>87714814
That anon at one point didn't mention anything about hate. But the fact of the matter is that he has been around for five years and nothing to show for it. He will forever be remembered as the Spider-Man recolor.

>>87714814
I didn't say anything about people hating Miles.
I said nobody can define Miles. He has no character flaws. He's just THERE.

>>87714814
Miles love is just because he's the Spider-Man they're pushing now
in five years it will be another one

>>87714692
Horny teens bud

I dropped Mile's Spider-Man on the first issue for the shameless amounts of dicksucking he got.

Should I pick it back up? Does the story get interesting? What's Miles' character arc about?

>>87714614
Yeah, as Ms. Marvel, and when shes in disguise she doesnt make a point of telling "I'M A SANDNIGGER, EVERYBODY!"

>>87715367
He's goten even more dicksucking in every book he's been at the point where in CW2 when they're about to take him everyone just jump to save him, it sound like im just raging but looking at how other character got treated it feel like this

>>87714611
Azrael Batman was clearly a temporary thing, so why wouldn't people keep reading it?

>>87715367
>What's Miles' character arc about?

In Ultimate, it was basically "Can I live up to Peter's example?" Problem being, there's basically nobody telling him he can't, save Ultimate Jessica Drew.
Now that he's in 616? His arc is basically "is the world ready for a black Spider-Man?" even though Bendis seems to have forgotten that, in-universe, Spidey isn't well liked.

>>87714997
Yeah, Sam and Kamala immediately had a defining moment because their characters clash. Miles was just kinda there.
I say he doesn’t need flaws, he needs traits.
Just that scene with Kamala and Sam meeting.
Sam:
> braggard eager to impress
> slow on the uptake
> insecure around girls. At least Kamala

Kamala:
> high expectations of heroes
> values the community over her convenience
> shy and insecure about her identity

Miles is... err...
He amounts to a guy, yes. But he is not an interesting character in and of himself. He doesn't have an inherent conflict motivating and informing his actions.
He literally left his conflict in the other universe. What little there was.
It's like they wanted to make him a black everyman so hard they forgot he also needs to be a hero. If you can have Luke and Jessica just jump into your book and outshine you for an issue just by having a personality, you really have not much going for you.

>>87715448

Geez.

Then are they at least holding back on the Venom sting thing's bullshit?

>>87715492

I read Ultimate Miles, I was asking only about 616.

>His arc is basically "is the world ready for a black Spider-Man?"

That's it?

>>87715401
Who cares for that?
Everyone knows she's from Jersey!
She's the damn town mascot!
None of that in my city!

>>87715550
I read Ultimate Miles, I was asking only about 616.

>His arc is basically "is the world ready for a black Spider-Man?"

That's it?

Well the thing is they delete all his experience in the ultimate universe, they say he's always been in 616 from now on, his parents and family are alive and dosen't have any of the character growth he got in ultimate universe

>>87715670

Yeah that weirded me out when I read the first issue and Miles showed a flashback of meeting Peter for the first time in 616.

I'm pretty sure that that at the end of Secret Wars both Peter and Ultimate Miles landed on 616 and talked like usual.

>>87715550
>Then are they at least holding back on the Venom sting thing's bullshit?
hahahahahahaahah

He's won nearly every single fight he's ever had with it. And it ALWAYS one-shots. Always. No exceptions.
He beat BLACKHEART with it. It's absurd.

>>87715779

A-At least he needs to get into touching range to do it, so it's balanced right?

>>87715483
It's easy to see that in retrospect, but you should have been there back then man. It was wild.

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>>87715831
Stop playing coy, anon.
You know what you're doing.

>>87711559
>DC Trinity has characters standing shoulder to shoulder as equals
>Marvel needs to make their males act like women

Really makes you think.

>>87712964
Uh, actually..

>>87715779

>He beat BLACKHEART with it. It's absurd

Didn't Blackheart go toe to toe with a combination of Red Hulk, the Venom symbiote and the spirit of fucking vengeance?

And he was oneshotted by a touch from the new Spider kid?

>>87715521
I think Ultimate made the mistake of killing off his Uncle.

>>87715934
Yeah, pretty much and after that Peter sudenly start to behave like a cunt and then say that Miles costume is better than his, all in day of work for Bendis

>>87715934
Yes. And yes. After the issue opens with Sam Wilson, Hawkeye, Iron Man, Jane-Thor, She-Hulk, Vision and Scarlet Witch jobbing to him. He grabs Cap's shield, smacks Blackheart with it, gingerly touches him once...and that's it. Blackheart runs away screaming in pain.

Venom Blast is literally "I Win: The Move."

>>87716154

>gingerly touches him once...and that's it. Blackheart runs away screaming in pain.

Didn't he actually do it twice?

Not two venom blasts, I mean he defeated Blackheart twice with a single venom blast each int he same issue.

>>87711559
Nova's hand working its was to the gold faster than Spidey's. How long before this cover triggers a f-feminazi?!

>>87715367
>What's Miles' character arc about?
Isn't that the question of the decade.

>>87716154
I dunno how y'all read Marvel when they print bullshit like this.

>>87716228
I don't read things by bad writers (like Bendis).
Or rather, I don't pay for them and I don't tell people about them unless they ask.

>>87716219
Short answer is he doesn't fucking have one.

>>87716203
Nope, it only happens once. The issue starts near the end but cuts away before he picks up the shield. Then at the end of the issue he picks up the shield and then Venom Blasts the fucker.

Really, what's the deal with giving Miles no personality or motivation? I mean, they did fine with Silk's, it wasn't spectacular but it was passable for a character that came out of nowhere.

And speaking of Silk

>Faster than Peter
>Spider sense is hilariously better than Peter's
>Claws
>Organic webbing
>yet both were bit by the same spider

Together with Miles' Mary Sue Blast, what's with making rookies so OP for no reason?

>>87716439
>what's the deal with giving Miles no personality or motivation
That would involve giving him flaws or personality traits that people could find objectionable, and he would be challenged and sometimes fail.

Bendis is seriously too caught up on him being the super awesome black hero representation and the one true new Spider-Man to realize that good characters are real, flawed ass people.

>>87716478
But Miles has flaws though and a motivation....

>>87715670
They didn't delete all his experiences from the ultimate universe. In fact he remembers everything that happened to him in the Ultimate Universe.

>>87716679
Examples?

>>87716774

Then what's the deal with not knowing Peter and Peter not knowing him?

>>87716845
not that anon but Miles is a pussy that needs to be forced to do shit

that's a flaw

>>87716845
He's black.

>>87716679
Well he did. But that was a universe ago.

>>87716439
>Really, what's the deal with giving Miles no personality or motivation?
Fear of writing a black character in an offensive way. This usually happens when the character is envisioned as black first and a character second.

>>87716905
Kamala will use both those boi pussies

>>87716890
Diffrent Peter on Peters part. But as far as Miles goes. Its just poor writing.

>>87716774
Other books have confirmed conclusively that he doesn't remember Ultimate.

>>87711559
Other titles

Marvelous Kamala and the Plunded Holes.

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>>87711559
does spiderman have his hand on her ass

>>87716845
>He's reckless. Almost too reckless at times. It has cost him before and yet he still makes some of these same mistakes.

>He shows little to no sympathy for the villains he faces. Almost as if he is incapable of feeling remorse towards them.

>He's not a genius therefore when he is defeated it is often because he is outsmarted.

>He's very irresponsible at times. Sometimes he exhibits behaviors that are not typical of a hero.

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>>87716971
Thanks for that.
I can never unread that.
And now whenever I see a pic of Kamala's giant fists...

>>87717084
And each of those characteristics changes depending on the writer.

this thread is fucking stupid

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>>87717084
>"Is not a genius" is a character flaw.

>>87717084
Dude, you've just described half the superheroes ever made.

>>87717107
In the bedroom she's know as Captain Fisto , she even adds some extra knuckles.

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>>87717045
I'm telling you what the creator of the character says and has shown in his book. He's explained many times that Miles remembers everything. In his Miles most current run Bendis has alluded to it a few times.

>>87717174
And more books say he doesn't. It's even a plot point in Gwenpool that he doesn't.

I accept that he doesn't because it's only fitting that Bendis gets fucked by other people ignoring HIS shit for once.

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>>87717148
FYI: genius can be a character flaw too.

>>87717205
No, being a fucking aspie or lacking common sense is a character flaw. Being smart is not.

Tony's problems are not symptomatic of his genius.

>>87717128
I'm telling you how the creator of the character and the only writer who has written a solo book for him writes him.

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>>87717202
And yet clearly he does remember. His old friends from the ultimate universe seem to appear in his nightmares after all.

>>87717242
They are at least ore RDJ changing the comic characterization.
He put a tremendous amount of stress on himself, based around the need to have his company succeed basically on his genius alone
Stop being a fucking casual and read a comic, then read one from before 1990

>>87717361
Yeah Marvel is making a lot of mistakes in continuity and canon

>>87717202

SILLY ANON, YOU CANNOT IGNORE BENDIS, AND NEITHER CAN THE WRITERS.

BY THE HONORABLE SPIRIT OF THE KLYNTARS, THIS SHALL NOT STAND

>>87711787
They don't have a Trinity. The Trinity is Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman, it's a term used to describe them, not just 3 random heroes. The closest Marvel would have to a 'trinity' is Captain America, Namor and the Human Torch since they're the only golden age heroes who survived.

>>87717426
I agree.

Bendis has talked about how he's eventually going to fill in how Miles dealt with things during the 8 months after Secret Wars. Hopefully the other writers get the memo or there is going to be more mistakes in continuity and cannon.

>>87717534
I've seen Bendis (and others) take over books for single issues just so they can be the one's to micromanage subject matter with a spoiler involved.
And I don't blame them, there's some writers that are just all thumbs when they try to drop in some ham-fisted subtext.

>>87717614
Exactly.

One of the most interesting things we've got coming up next for Miles is Bendis exploring this matter a bit.

>>87717361
I actually hope this shittery becomes a plot point. Scrap the snoopy grandma story and let's deal with consequences of having your memories and existence in general forcefully grafted into a place it didn't exist before, then having the seams hastily sanded away. It could be his origin story of sorts and do a little to differentiate him from Pete. Bendis doesn't know what the fuck to do with him when it's staring him right in the face.

>>87717824
Bendis is going to explore these plot points. It's something that I think Civil War II is building up to at least as far as Miles is concerned.

And there are quite few things that differentiate Miles from Peter. And I think going forward Bendis is going to really stress these differences more.

>>87715779
>He's won nearly every single fight he's ever had with it.
That's wrong though

>>87715779

What is it even made of? It looks like electricity, but is called venom?

Does it affect robots?

>>87711844
Wasn't Ms Marvel one of the most successful Marvel lines after they fucked everything up?

>>87717372
>Consider this a character flaw with Tony's ego and self-critical mindset rather than his genius.
>WOW UR A FUCKING CASUAL YOU DON'T KNOW COMICS

This is why I fucking hate threads like this.
Because of course, you are just a comics expert since your opinion differs from mine, right anon? Would you like to discuss the works of Syd Shores while he was at Timely and possibly debate whether he was superior to Kirby on [youshouldknowwhatbookhewason]? Or does that sound like stupid, snobbish wankery to you too?

>>87718052
Don't engage the posters who think they have insight into Bendis's "SJW motives".
No matter how much you might agree it always turns a thread into a trollfest.

>>87717534
>Hoping they get the memo.
>Hoping that Bendis doesn't get karma for all the shit he's ruined.

Really nigga? He fucked over Hulk just this god damn year and you're bitching at other writers for snubbing him?

>>87718133
Dude, anon there was responding to someone throwing around those same idiotic accusations along with insulting names intended to hurt someone's feels.
There's no pretty princess here for you to ride in on your white horse and save, wake up Sleeping Beauty, you're just another troll hiding under this fairytale's bridge.

>>87718224
>anon there was responding to someone throwing around those same idiotic accusations along with insulting names intended to hurt someone's feels.
Could you point it out in the reply chain?
Because I don't see that shit anywhere. And I'm not "rushing to someone's rescue."

I'm saying that genius itself isn't a character flaw and going "Wow, you don't agree with me so you must be a fucking causal!' is a stupid ass argument.

>>87718224
>There's no pretty princess here for you to ride in on your white horse and save, wake up Sleeping Beauty, you're just another troll hiding under this fairytale's bridge.
Anon are you having a stroke

>>87712407

I'm definitely not a leftie and I'm only saying that to make a point, maybe we can both agree on. I think comics need to lay off politics. Modern, daily, news-cycle politics with the binary issues people are divided by. Which really isn't about politics and more about cultural war.

I think with the Internet, artists are too wrapped up in now and they automatically take the positions the other artists take. No one really stops and think about the actual issues. They see people protesting and project their own views onto it, not questioning it at all. If you hold a sign and yell at things you must automatically be on the right side of history since history books have pictures of people holding signs and yelling at things!

It's all gotten gotten very shallow. In cape hero comics context, it's better to keep going with an original story than try to use these established characters and franchises to create personal soap boxes and echo chambers.

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>>87717165
Maybe I should have been more specific.

When I say he's reckless/irresponsible I speak of his style of fighting as well as how he makes decisions as a superhero. Time and time again people have warned him of the importance of protecting your Secret Identity. And yet Miles still does not heed this. His disregard for wearing his mask at times and his inability to keep a low profile has led to many people, not just villains, easily figuring it out. As I said this has cost him. When he fights either he doesn't think about the consequences of his actions or he simply doesn't care much about it. For Miles I generally think its the latter.

Here, on this page Miles could have killed a guy. You'd think for someone that already technically had blood on his hands Miles would be more careful with how he treats people and yet time and time again Miles takes great risks with their lives. Despite him professing some sort of moral opposition to such actions. Miles consistently behaves contrarily to these ideals simply because they are not his ideals(at least not really).

Another one of his flaws.

>>87712982

Muh nigga in this thread.

>>87713260

I got into an argument in 5th grade with some kids saying that "SPIDERMAN IS A GIRL NOW!" and trying to explain to them it was in the future and not current 616.

This was... 97 I think.

>>87718419
Not them but
>I think comics need to lay off politics.
No, that's fucking stupid.
>Modern, daily, news-cycle politics with the binary issues
Yes, this makes sense, because like you said it's not even politics.

It's not that artists need to stop being political so much as they need to write stories of substance if they're going to tackle politics. Transmet wears its politics on its fucking sleeve but it's a great comic because it's well thought out and meaningful. Randomly spouting #WOKE without realizing what you're saying is nearly the same as #redpilled is what we shouldn't be doing.

>>87713759

>Miles and Spider-Gwen will fade into obscurity though. They're just fads of the times, the storylines involving them will be made fun of in the future

I'm prone to agree with this under normal circumstances but I think the Internet is inflating their value. You can't talk to normies and casuals without someone going full SJW and saying "BUT SPIDERMAN IS BLACK NOW!" and bitches love cosplaying as Spider-Gwen.

Their value as characters are useless but their value as mouthpieces and insert fantasies are keeping them around.

>>87718522
I think Spider-Gwen will live on in the sense that the costume will persist and Miles is a big enough footnote that he'll have a Savage Dragon like effect where a lot of people are aware that he exists but don't know shit about him.

>>87713759
Miles isn't a fad as long as Bendis has the favoritism of Marvel over everyone (except maybe Slott)

Okay /co/. Tell me why people like Kamala. I asked my comic loving friend and he said she's western "moe".

>>87715558
Jersey hates her ever since HYDRA co-opted her image as part of their "takeover-through-gentrification" scheme, and now making the mistake of siding with Carol during CWII has cost her what few allies she had left.

>>87718628
kill your friend 2bh

>>87718679
Well, from what I see on /co/ I had a hard time disagreeing. Seems like you guys like her for the same reason you like Gwenpool, which is "CUTENESS".

>>87715939
Same here, honestly his uncle coulda been a driving factor in his character had he stayed alive

>>87713935

>Kamala's still a legacy character, but only in a very light sense. Her not-terribly-impressive success is still the biggest new successes Marvel's had on a character that isn't one of their normal big sellers for a long while.

I think she's only really successful because Marvel shoe-horns her into everything, everywhere. They're forcing her success.

>>87715492

>His arc is basically "is the world ready for a black Spider-Man?" even though Bendis seems to have forgotten that, in-universe, Spidey isn't well liked.

Did Bendis also forget that his identity is supposed to be a secret?

>>87718717
They're forcing Miles pretty hard and forced Sam pretty hard at first
I think this board exaggerates Kamala's popularity, but she's the only one normies seem to like

>>87716966

>Fear of writing a black character in an offensive way. This usually happens when the character is envisioned as black first and a character second.

Dubs of truth telling. This an incredible way of putting it and it highlights the problem with creating a character with social justice as a starting point. They want to make a character's race/special group the main focus of the character to "represent them" but since they magically represent all individuals of that group, the writer is too afraid to make them an actual individual on their own right.

Character flaws are what build character, by overcoming them or working around them.

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>>87715492
>His arc is basically "is the world ready for a black Spider-Man?"

No it's not. One of the SUB-PLOTS explored in the first arc of his current run was spider-man and race. A SJW chick became obsessed with the new Spider-Man and took a special interest in the color of his skin.

But Miles said he didn't want that. He didn't want the qualifier. Miles doesn't want to be known as the Black Spider-Man. He just wants to be known as Spider-Man.

>>87717507

Not trying to argue, just suggesting, Marvel's "Trinity" can be viewed as: Cap, Iron Man and Thor as well.

>>87711628
Maybe marvel needs to make thier version of teen titans the animated series

>>87718628
In a sense that's right: she's a likable, adorable female protagonist whose adventures have a nice balance of silliness and drama. It's feel good comics that give her nuance, which is pretty similar to the moe formula. It's just a singular protagonist.

Problem is that this nuance doesn't catch with other writers and she's a shitty mouthpiece in a lot of other books.

>>87717361
I thought it was because Molecule Man rebuilt his life in earth 616 because Miles gave him a burger.

>>87718649
>Crush the new heroine's soul.
>Crush her sales.
>Crush her idol while pretending she's a good character.

Marvel has it out for Kamala. Guess they think suffering = long-term sales.

>>87719032
Which is fucking retarded because there's ALREADY A SPIDER-MAN.

Why the FUCK would people call you Spider-Man instead of Black Spider-Man when you are literally a copycat wearing a black suit? Fuck's sake.

>>87719124
Molecule Man did save and bring over Miles friends and family that didn't have 616 counterparts. But the others such as Ultimate Cloak and Dagger as well as Ultimate Jessica Drew and Ultimate Kate Bishop died. And Miles knows and remembers that.

>>87718694
>>87718628

That's really not far from the truth. Little girls with too much power, giving to them because they're little girls and people like looking at little girls!

>>87719197
Maybe Molecule man retconned that stuff happening with their 616 counterparts aswell?

>>87719051
That's the traditionally recognized "Avengers trinity", but it's never been as definitive as DC's "Trinity" because those three are DC's best and Marvel's didn't include Spider-Man or Hulk or any of the other fan faves.
Now DC might have a sort of grandeur to their three obvious mainstays, they are on most people's pull lists, but they're also stagnant and unchanging because of that.
These days Marvel is looking toward the next generation of a trinity, Cap-Tony-Thor was the first group right from Marvel's heyday, they've each been replaced now by a "next generation" and Miles-Kamala-Sam for the kid's version.
And that fluidity undermines the very concept of Marvel even having a "trinity", so really it's always going to stay a DC thing.

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>>87719168
>Why the FUCK would people call you Spider-Man instead of Black Spider-Man

Because he's Spider-Man not the Black Spider-Man.

He was Spider-Man before in the Ultimate Universe and he's Spider-Man in the Marvel Prime Universe. And Miles is a very different Spider-Man from the one that they know.

>>87719300
Impossible for drew since in 616 she is not a clone of Peter parker

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>>87719326
Bring Back Jess...

>>87719379
>arrow pointing right to her pussy
Is this from an actual page?

>>87719300
No.

The Cloak and Dagger on the page are very clearly the Cloak and Dagger from the Ultimate Universe not the 616. Ty and Tandy's origin as well as their relationship is different in the Ultimate Universe.

And in the Ultimate Universe Kate Bishop's parents were Hydra and her father ended up becoming one of Miles' enemies. Also in the Ultimate Universe Jessica Drew was a clone of Peter Parker and something of a big sister type for Miles.

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>>87719419
Yes anon

>>87719326
Am I honestly talking to Bendis right now?

No normal ass civie is gonna see a second Spider-Man who wears a black costume and go "It's Spider-Man" while Normal-Ass Spider-Man is still swinging around. They're gonna tack something on to differentiate him. They can't read the title of his series.

And he's wearing a black suit.

He is BEGGING for people to call him Black Spider-Man.

>>87719696
You keep talking about his suit when it has nothing to do with his suit.

She is not calling him Black Spider-Man because of the suit. His costume had torn during the fight and people could see his skin. She made a special note of that. She is calling him Black Spider-Man not because of the color of the costume but because of the color of his skin. That is made very clear in the issue.

>>87719696
Yeah, to differentiate them they call Miles the new Spider-Man and Peter the old one.

>>87714814

Judging from sales, not a lot of people like him either.

>>87719865
But they don't call him "New Spider-Man."

>>87719833
>Bendis hamfists it to be solely about race in his metacommentary on fan reaction to Miles.
Yeah, no fucking shit.

The point still stands that nobody's gonna actually just call him Spider-Man when he's distinct from Spider-Man. It's a Catch-22 with what they're trying to do. The whole thing with him also being Spider-Man would make sense if it was like Hobbie and he just wore a Spider-Man suit, but that would confuse readers as to who is who when Spidey shows up in cameos and the like and doesn't make Miles stand out. They can give Miles a distinct look, but then he's a different hero and giving him the same name is unnatural for readers and in-universe civvies alike.

>>87719032
In a world of clones he's better off honoring ultpeter with a different name and costume

>>87719326
>Because he's Spider-Man not the Black Spider-Man.
So was Ben.
They called him Scarlet Spider.

>>87720071
But they do call him the New Spider-Man on the news and in the papers in his solo book.

Miles has always been called Spider-Man you can't just depart from his identity. It's what he's always called himself. It's who he is. With Peter no longer in New York as much, Miles has become the Spider-Man they see all the time not Peter. That is why they call him the new spider-man. Because the old one has kinda left them so that he could become the globetrotting spider-man he is now.

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>>87720191
NO.
Ben called Ben "Scarlet Spider".
I have the issue.
Also, he stole that blue spider-logo hoodie.

>>87711559
so, nobody really care about morales being a sjw crowd pleaser, a pandering tool designed to attract young and dumb readers? he didnt even have the same powers at the beginning probing he was a lame design. spider sense ..came later, spider web... came later. seriously.have some taste...

>>87720210
That logic is flimsy as all fuck.

Monica Rambeau was the definitive totally legit Captain Marvel...and she eventually renamed herself Photon because fuck you, comics. Kitty was Shadowcat for DECADES, now she's got some stupid new codename. Miles took up the mantle of Spider-Man to carry on Peter's legacy, did that for like a year or two, and...now Peter's just here. And older and more competent.

Guess he should just keep protecting the legacy of this totally living guy!

And then you're acting like going global somehow means Spider-Man needs a backup identity for New York...even though he already had one of those, and he just wore another Spidey costume just like Peter's. And Batwing didn't just suddenly christen himself Batman when he came to Gotham while Bruce was globetrotting. And Destroyer didn't stop being Destroyer when he left Germany.

Like, seriously, this just reads like blind acceptance of Bendis' sloppy justifications. We KNOW why he's distinct yet "also Spider-Man." Bendis wants him to one day be THE Spider-Man, just like how he was THE Spider-Man of Ultimate. There's no other, actual reason for it. If natural storytelling took place and marketing had its way, he would never be rocking the same name despite being so completely different while Peter's still active.

>>87720299
Miles isn't Spider-Man because of Peter Parker. If anything that initial motivation of "honoring" Peter was flimsy at best. That is why when Miles mother died he quit for a whole year. It wasn't until Spider-Man No More and his interactions with Cloak and Dagger, Bombshell, and Jessica Drew that his true motivations for being Spider-Man surfaced.

Also later in the series Ultimate Peter Parker was revived and Miles met him. That didn't stop Miles from being Spider-Man. Later on Ultimate Peter died with many of the others during the incursions of Secret Wars.

Miles knows/remembers all of the things that happened in the Ultimate Universe. Why now all of a sudden in the Marvel Prime Universe would he change the name he's always gone by? After all some parts of the UU where he was always called Spider-Man now lingers in the Marvel Prime Universe.

>>87720299
>>87720444
Marvel totally embraces the concept that in-universe the population engages in hero-worship, there's scores of scenes where kids, adults, and even other heroes meet their personal hero and admit that person's their inspiration.
Also: "Spider-Man" is descriptive of the guy's powers and general theme just as "hulk" refers to the big green guy being so freakin' huge.
Only "Captain America" was a name chosen in-universe as propaganda messaging.
Almost everything else was a name chosen on the fly.

>>87711559
When will Trump get rid of Kamala?

>>87720658
When she morphs into a bomb.

>>87719124
a 2 weeks old burger man... if that makes any sense to you, congrats. because i found that dumb as fuck stupit as shit, even for marvel and morales standars.

>>87719168
>Black Spider-Man
im on board...call him that. he is not spider man, he is wearing a black suit. kaine is wearing a scarlet suit...sooooo....

>>87720269
I do man, i do.

>>87722196

Would that make Miguel into White Spider snce he also deals with the "confused with Peter" thing?

>>87722187
Doom was a fucking ass to the guy to the point where he was constantly asking Doom to bring him something. I couldn't even blame the him, he was probably just glad someone was somewhat considerate to him.

>>87722196
Onyx Spider
Obsidian Spider.

>>87722409
dude... seriously? let me be more simple
body heat- meat- 2 weeks = some moldy thing with burger shape. seriously spiderbrotha is gross

>>87722583
I'm doubting MM gave a shit.

>>87722634
again dude, again...last time. who in his stupid fucking dumb shithead mind keeps a burger in his pocket for 2 weeks????????

>>87722347
I mean now he is, yeah.
With the old suit he was another blue-red variation that's harder to give an immediate distinguisher to.

>>87712964
You mong.

>>87711628
>being this obvious
/pol/ get the fuck out. The election's over.

>>87718795
normies barely even know Kamala

>>87723382
They shove her in more shit than Sam and Miles.

>>87723355
>Telling the truth is /pol/ now

You faggots are way too easily triggered.

>>87715747
Bendis is being super weird and contradicting about what exactly Miles remembers or not.

>>87714997
>>87715521
Disagree. Miles has more external than internal problems than Sam and Kamala but the problems are still there. /co/ really needs to at least try to read the comic.

External:
- family problems: no trust and lots of infighting
- heroes and media not seeing him but his color
- best friend keeps backstabbing and giving out secrets
- accused of murder/might be a murderer now

Internal:
- very insecure
- guilty about getting his uncle killed
- lacks Peter's strong believe in things and his technical and scientific know how
- knows jack about girls
- almost never on the offensive when dealing with his problems

>>87716439
It's reacted with Asian females different than a white male?

I mean it's plausible.

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>>87723492
>obvious bullshit is obvious
>gets pointed out
>lol guys I was just kidding all along

>>87723567
>"People won't remember Miles" is now /pol/speak.

I know it triggers you, Bendis, but anon isn't wrong

>>87723567
Nigga, I said the exact opposite of that. Why are Miles fags so retarded?

>>87719833
I kind of want a scene where Miles shows up, the villain throws a fit of wanting the white Spider-Man, and halfway through a bit about how racist the villain is, Miguel shows up in the new suit.

>>87725151
Not gonna lie, that'd be pretty funny.

>>87711559
>Phase 6.jpg

>>87711787
>>87711946
>>87719309
Can somebody please provide some actual evidence of this "Spidey-Hulk-Logan Trinity" being more than just a meme?
I get it, pre-MCU they were the most popular, but that's where their connection starts and ends. Being a "Trinity" takes more than that, they've never been presented as anything of the sort IIRC.

It's like saying cheese, pepperoni & ham/pineapple are the Trinity of pizzas.

>>87713549
>Damian

You really think a random sidekick is the most memorable character of our time? Does he even have any of his own solo stories?

>>87727593
The proper Trinity of Pizza is Cheese, Pepperoni, and Supreme

>>87711602
That's not much of a 3-sme now is it?

Before this thread dies out, everyone needs to remember that Kamala is the only one with lasting appeal. Normies will just shrug off Miles as Black Spider-Man, and Sam is referred to as Kid Nova. At least Kamala can eventually outgrow the Ms Marvel legacy name and become Ms Fantastic since she already has stretchy powers and the F4 ain't ever coming back.

>>87728139
>F4 ain't ever coming back.
And you have the nerve to call other people normies you fucking casual.

>>87728139
>Kamala
Didn't /co/ believe this about time girl, x-men bubble chick?

>>87728139
Her legacy dies the moment Wilson leaves the book.

>>87728139
>Normies will just shrug off Miles as Black Spider-Man
You say this like that's not a selling point

There is a reason why he sells the most of the 3.

>>87728591
>>Kamala
...and already fading out.

>>87731424
Like she was going to last.

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