New Avengers Vol 2 Storytime (Part 5)

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Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but fucking hell Bendis, how do you put your OC, Jessica Jones, ahead of Wolverine and Spider-Man, let alone Doctor Strange?!

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So apparently that last page of 16.1 was a time skip, and now we're seeing where he got all of THOSE guys.

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>"King of the Savage Land"

What, did Ka-Zar take a vacation?

>>87678535
This is one of my favorite Bendis issue arcs specifically because I'm a Wolverinefag and the fight against Ragnarok was one of maybe 3 times in Bendis's entire tenure where he got to be the big hero in a fight

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In case you're wondering how Osborn got the biggest criminal organizations in the world to work for him... this is how. Not much explaination, huh?

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>"Which one is Hawkeye?"

Has Bendis EVER written a character ask who Luke Cage or Jessica Drew are?

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>>87678619
This arc is practically a prequel to Parker's Dark Avengers.
Which, I won't lie, I forgot about, so it's a good think I ran New Avengers first.

>>87678655
>guy survives building falling on him

These cops are sure to be able to stop him right?

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So I looked this up, while trying to see why he was in the hospital. Dude's name is CHARLES Barton, with "Barney" as a nickname.
Why is Osborn calling him by a nickname?

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So yeah, the only reason Hydra is joining is because "they're sick of losing".

Let's forget that Osborn has lot A LOT MORE than them.

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>Ai Apaec

Yeah, so half the characters in this arc are from the Osborn mini that was released in 2011, which I GUESS can explain why Osborn's got his massive following from, since that's where the whole "Goblin Cult" thing came from. I can probably storytime it after our regularly scheduled storytime tomorrow tomorrow, if anyone's interested.

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>>87678685
Luckily, not something they have to deal with.

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Okay Anons, before you open this image, I want you to guess what you think this image is going to be. Take a HARD guess.

Have a guess?

Okay, open it. Were you right?

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>"Everyone's ALMOST assassinated Nick Fury."

I won't lie, that's a good line.

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Oh joy, he's doing the whole "evil Avengers" thing again, that won't be boring at all...

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Anyone who enjoyed Toxie Doxie from Parkerbolts, you may want to skip this page, because it may trigger you.

>>87678827
It's fine, just imagine she's Gwen.

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Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it sounds like AIM is joining because they don't have money, which is kind of a tame excuse.

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Oh good, give the crazy man his own diety to boss around, that won't go poorly for anyone.

Fuck, I thought AIM was supposed to be smart?

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And the new Dark Avengers lineup.

We've got Gorgon as Wolverine, Toxie Doxie as Scarlet Witch, Skaar as Hulk, Ai Apaec as Spider-Man, Barney Barton as Hawkeye, and (we never see this bit shown in this issue,) Superia as Ms. Marvel!

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Oh hey, they remembered it's SPIDER-MAN he has a massive hard-on for.

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>What have you done for me lately sign

How long was Fear Itself ago in universe? Because seriously, Nazis mechs JUST got finished wrecking your shit.

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Remember Anons, Bendis has written Daredevil before. God awards for his run.

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Oh fuck, I was joking last time, but she really does want him.

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Stark Resilient was the name of Stark's company during Fraction's run. Around the time the movie came around, and made a plot point about not making weapons anymore, synergy happened, so they stopped doing that in the comics too. Only thing I remember them making was some kind of green car, and that was an entire subplot.

>>87678987
I know Ryan North retconned the Wolverine page, did he say anything about this?

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Oh yeah, the Ultimo fight. Can you imagine waiting two months to find out what happens after an exploding robot?

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>"Ultimo came here for me. It was literally trying to grab the armor off my body."

Fucking hell, Osborn was serious about wanting his own armor, wasn't he?

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>>87679021
What's there to retcon, that she had a crush on a man who saved her life from Nazi mechs? It's not like they actually banged.

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Looks like the only reason Hydra and the Hand are joining Osborn is because, much like during Dark Reign, even his allies know he'll fuck up, and they can pick up the pieces for themselves.

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Apparently part of the HAMMER arc is dealt with in the other Avengers book too.

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>Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man on the statue
>Ant-Man and Wasp aren't

>>87679021
>I know Ryan North retconned the Wolverine page
What happened in the retcon?

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Jessica, remember the time you thought he killed your baby while you were still pregnant, and you tried to beat him to death with his own glider?

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>>87679112
Remember that awkward meeting at the start, when they first met? And basically everyone is taking that as an implication that they fucked?

North said in one of the questions that Wolverine just did something more mundane (stole a Taxi ride, I think?)

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It looks like Osborn's only plan here is "stronger Avengers", even though there's TWO Avengers teams, and that's just counting active Avengers.

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DUN DUN DUN

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Hand, unless you PERSONALLY save Spider-Man's life, nothing will make him forget that you worked for the one of the top three causes of the problems in his life.

>>87678797
I JUST realized:
Because Nick Fury's infinity formula ran out years ago (according to Original Sin) every time anyone thought they came close to killing Nick Fury, they were just deluding themselves, that old bastard was never anywhere near any actual danger, the Life-Model-Decoys did everything for him.

>>87679171
>that blatant star destroyer superstructure
Deodato will never ever change.

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This is going to sound like a stupid question, but I'm curious. Who's senses are stronger, Daredevil or Wolverine's?

Obviously not counting sight, of course.

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I like to think one of them smacked Spidey upside the head for that crack. Probably Wolverine. He may not REACH Peter's head, but his skeleton means it would hurt.

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>>87679196
So what's the Quinjet here a trace of?

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Sweet, Peter can probably get to beat up Osborn a lot faster this time.

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Sorry about that, was looking up how many Avengers issues are tied into this arc.

ANOTHER 8 issues.

>>87678535
Jeff Parker's Dark Avengers > Bendis' Dark Avengers

>>87678987
She might smell, but if Double D could see her he would go for it.

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>>87679286
Is that something that people still argue?

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>"You're not a police officer OR a sanctioned avenger."

Osborn, he lives in AVENGERS mansion, has an AVENGERS Quinjet in his backyard, gets the AVENGERS paycheck, and has a SHIELD-AVENGERS liason.

He's an Avenger, as much as I sometimes wish he wasn't.

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But yeah, I'm gonna look for digital versions of those Avengers issues, see if I can fit them in this thread.

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What goblin shit? The lasers he doesn't use anymore, the explosives that wouldn't hurt half the people there? Pretty sure it's not armored. His super strength is all part of him, as much as Bendis seems to not remember that.

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Remember, Cage is 300 pounds.

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Also, this is the problem with Osborn's "plan", he doesn't seem to to consider "what if they switch opponents?" which is the standard trick to do during this.

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>Superia having trouble with Daredevil

I feel like she should beat him easily.

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So yeah, that was ONE Iron Fist, that sent a Hulk flying like that. Danny's been buffed just as much as Cage has, maybe even more.

>>87678617
He's smart enough to not try to contest a Hulk?

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What, did Bendis forget to do the page thing?

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This the kind of shit that happens when you try to do a sneak attack on Mr. Radar Senses.

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Well... that blows.

>>87678632
Rappaccini and Superia are maybe the only people here with agendas that would actually benefit each others.

Even when Gorgon was working with Hydra, it was against other Hydra leaders.

Blatantly Tommy Lee Jones is a odd break from the Blatant Poser tracing.

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Marvel Civilians, everyone.

>>87679417
Phrasing.

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I love how it took "Hawkeye" a bit to remember "Oh right I'm useless against Luke Cage."

>>87678655
Why would they, Luke Cage is clearly the most famous hero in America, with the largest penis, perfect for sodomizing fat, bald Jewish men.

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God damn it, did Namor swear vengeance on the surface world again?

>>87678671
Okay that first panel is very much Angelina Jolie.

Why did Quake just murder Trickshot?

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Welp, good job at saving the city.

>>87678689
Because he's always called Barney.

Hell, I think even Zemo might have called him Barney.

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NEVER DO A CLOSEUP LIKE THAT AGAIN!

>>87678707
Hey, who hasn't spent like a decade pretending to be dead in Europe after murdering their best friend's son's girlfriend after impregnating her with twins?


...

God, Spider-Man would be so much better nowadays if Norman had been allowed to stay dead.

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Oh right, Ragnarok is in this.

>>87678737
>I can probably storytime it after our regularly scheduled storytime tomorrow tomorrow, if anyone's interested.

Nah, better to get to good comics, like Parkerbolts faster, instead.

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>>87679524
Or was it a pun?

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Lady, a Nazi Robot wrecked your house because it's an agent of an evil god of fear, how does that help you?
First guy, you're just an idiot who doesn't remember Kang the Conqueror wrecking everyone's shit on his own.
Second guy, they literally have a SHIELD agent they answer to, both teams.

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>"The one with the tail is Starfox."

Honestly, if the characters who didn't know who the heroes were were more blatantly wrong like this, it would be hilarious.

If you don't know who Starfox is, for one thing, HE'S A MAN. He's more famously known as "Eros".

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>>87679532
You joke, but in Mighty Avengers, there's literally a page where Wasp gives Jessica Drew a lewd look when she makes a reference to seeing the others naked, and specifically mentions Luke Cage.

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>>87679544
Wrong hair color, Anon.

>>87678632
Yeah, this is pretty damn stupid. That's not even getting into the fact that Hydra and AIM hate each other.

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>>87679583
>Hey, who hasn't spent like a decade pretending to be dead in Europe after murdering their best friend's son's girlfriend after impregnating her with twins?

See, when you mention it all at once, it sounds kind of silly.

>>87678655
Well, he has written characters asking who Jessica Jones is.

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>that last panel

And suddenly I want to see Spider-Man with a stache that sticks through his costume.

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Look at the bright side Logan, you probably died before you could feel the flesh burn from your bones.

Oh wait, it's Wolverine...

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>>87679599
We have one more series we have to get through before Parkerbolts.

>>87678707
>A world without corporations
That doesn't sound like Hydra at all

>You know exactly what I'm talking about
No, I really don't, I still don't get what Osborn's "point" is.

>The people who do not think Captain America should be allowed to do whatever he wants in the name of what he thinks is right
Instead, lets let Norman Osborn do whatever the fuck he wants for no reason.

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>>87679691
Yeah, but ONLY her.

>>87679453
He used sentry.
So no.

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>Iron Fist vs. Thor

Normally this would end with our favorite Egg turing into a skidmark, but with the damage he did to a Hulk? Who knows.

>>87678952
>Daredevil raises a ggod point
What the hell are these guys protesting about? What the fuck do they want?

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>"We don't want to murder them."
I guess that's why he didn't just recruit Bullseye again, because he would've killed them ANYWAY.

Well, that and he's dead.

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>"How are you so strong?"

I get that smacking Luke Cage off his ass is quite a feat, but even normally, he's got strength on par with Spider-Man. He should be able to grip Barney's arm here pretty easily.

>>87679045
You'd think that getting Wolverine's body should be really fucking easy given how much he bleeds out in all his fights. in fact, why doesn't Hydra ALREADY have his blood from that time he was their slave?

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>>87679045
Norman Osborn USED to be a weapons manufacturer who built his own goblin gear.

You'd think he'd have at least stolen designs for some of the simple Iron Mans at least.

You are now picturing the roller skates having Iron Man armour in Goblin colours, with a night cap and purse

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>>87679733
We will never get an actual answer for what Osborn's endgoal is. It makes much more sense if you assume it's more of a cult.

>>87679664
Well, it's also the wrong length, but wigs exist.

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>they beat Ragnarok off-screen

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>>87679762
I presume he meant Ka-Zar isn't dumb enough to pick a fight with a Hulk to say who's King of the Savage Land.

>>87679825
>Fifty people here recorded he Avengers showing up here and beating on us for helping the world
YOU'RE ALL CRIMINALS. HOW CAN PEOPLE BE THIS FUCKING STUPID.

>>87679844

now i'm blanking on like classic normie goals. he was like power hunger/greedy crime boss?

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>Danny and Carol punching Osborn in the chest
>Osborn having an almost orgasmic smirk on his face

>>87679864
Why the fuck did they give Ragnarok back to them? Do they WANT Osborn to rebuild him?

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Carol, don't you start, we all remember who's side you were on during Civil War.

>>87679156
Three.
There's also the Secret Avengers, but I assume he wouldn't know about that.

Barney is not Clint's equal in archery. Clint was going fucking blind and STILL beat his ass.

>>87679317
Not to mention, citizen's arrest is a thing. Any superhero can arrest a wanted mass murdering criminal.
Did everyone just forget that Osborn blew up Soldier Field?

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They keep mentioning that Luke bought the house, so presumably Tony did the proper paperwork.

Can the government actually do this, if it's 100% private property?

>>87679765
Could you maybe have posted that without the racist slur?

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>>87679795
There's always some fuckwits protesting. There's literally a guy here with a "Mutants Go Home!" poster, and the only mutant on BOTH teams is Wolverine!

>>87679202
Daredevil's. By a fair bit.

Except maybe smell. Wolverine basically is a human shaped dog. Daredevil can read newspapers by touching the ink, and hears well enough that it's sonar.

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>>87679826
You'd think so, but I guess not.

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>>87679839
Did you read the Spider-Island tie-in to Secret Wars? That's the closest you'll get to your beautiful dream.

>>87679929
>Serious allegations have been made
What, Norman Osborn's butthurt whining is considered a serious allegation by the government that put him in prison in the first place?

>>87679213
You know, the level to which they are distinct figures in the ship, despite how itty bitty they are, really drives home how traced from digital models they are.

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Everyone arguing about Jessica's actions in the new Jessica Jones book, remember.

That's not even the first time she's taken the kid and fucked off without telling him. Not even the second, since THIS is the second time.

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Alright Anons, you're running out from your house, after packing your bags, and suddenly Wolverine is at the door, claws already out, ready to snikt a traitorous bub. What do you do?

>>87679317
Also, that Ex-Con crack is a bit rich, coming from a man who JUST ESCAPED PRISON. And who has zero pardons to Luke's Two.

>>87679981
>Just how Osborn has so expertly played us and the media
The media because they're idiots that will believe anything Osborn says for some reason even though he's an insane mass murdering fugitive.
You because you're also idiots.

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I won't lie, that "I have no such issues" bit gets a chuckle out of me.

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And there goes Hand.

>>87680022
Again, why the fuck is The President and the government taking anything Osborn says seriously? He's a criminal that betrayed them and is now working with AIM and fucking Hydra!

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>>87679885
Because Marvel civilians are completely stupid.

>>87679911
If you read it like Stephen & Carol's lines are flipped it kind of works.

>>87679621
>>87679634
>>87679647
WHY THE FUCK DID JESSICA JUST WALK OUT THE FRONT DOOR?
Is there no backdoor? And can't she just fly away?

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>>87679948
That's a slur? I thought that was the accepted term for "White on the outside, asian on the inside". You know, like Oreo.

>>87679529
When Zemo brought Barney back to life, he came back pretty stupid, honestly.

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... Oh right, they got Captain America in one of the Avengers issues.

Fuck, this means I'll have to actually post those issues now.

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Lady, Wolverine here is known for killing, don't give him an excuse.

>>87679634
Jessica, these people are morons, belittling them like this is only going to make things worse.

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Oh shit, Danny's going to wreck some shit!

>>87680096
>He's a war criminal
So let me get this straight. The government is going to try Steve Rogers for war crimes and let Osborn off the hook for everything because he tells everyone the Avengers are meanies. That's how Viper thinks this will go down?

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And as we discovered from the textless Black Panther issue, I shouldn't write comics, because I would've had one of them make a poop joke in the third panel.

>>87679697
Like Dan McNinja?

Maybe Spider-stache could end up a character in Gwenpool.

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Okay, I know Osborn has superpowers, but unaided flight? THAT is a new one.

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>>87679962
It was the smell I was explicitly referring to. There's one example of Daredevil's senses that has always stayed with me because of how insane it is, where he can taste exactly how many grains of salt are on a single french fry.

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Well...didn't see that one coming.

>>87680022
>>87680053
And what exactly are Osborn's "allegations" anyway? Did he say anything specific or did he do the same thing as Wonder Man and say "the Avengers are meanies that need to be shut down because I don't like them"?

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And because I'm a sadistic bastard, we're getting both sides of the HAMMER conflict!

>>87679885
I think I remember someone in last round of protesters in this book complainingabout the Avengers never doing anything about the Hulk.

Norman Osborn gets a new Hulk? With a big sword? Clearly no one will have a problem with THAT.

God. This is such utter dreck.

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>>87679996
>>87680190
I think we are only told ONE real allegation, and while it's pretty damning... it's also completely freaking wrong, and if it's true, then EVERYONE involved is incompetent

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>Civil War wasn't even a year ago

>>87679950
>New Avengers vs. Halo
Is more like it.

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>>87680088
Was that a plot point? Because he was a carny too, he may have not been that smart to begin with.

>>87680001
Jessica Jones really is a goddamn useless nothing, isn't she?

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Turns out this was only in the Captain America book. Millar's Civil War ended with a "happy" ending.

>>87680022
>What do you do?

Deservedly get shanked for obviously working for Norman Osborn?

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This is leading into this woman having a bizarre and oddly specific fetish, isn't it?

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Remember that one Anon saying getting Wolverine's blood shouldn't be too hard? Here's why.

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We didn't see it in either of our reading outside of Daredevil noticing it from the other side of the city, but yeah, the Tower got knocked down.

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Seriously, the way this woman looks, I'm convinced she's making some kind of sex doll out of discarded bits she finds.

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>>87680204
Yeah, but the rules don't apply to THEM, only those horrible "other" Avengers.

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>>87680225
Is that where he copied that from?

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And in case you wanted a good Wong and Jarvis scene, too bad, Bendis hates you.

>>87680234
Barney was a carny for a much shorter period of time.

He cut and run not long after Clint started boy training, IIRC, and ended up drifting into the mob and turning informant for the FBI. OR possibly joining the FBI and going under cover with the mob.

It's gotten... complicated since he came back to life.

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Yeah, there was a brief period where Jessica and Hawkeye dated, and because people are idiots, THAT gets more attention than Hawkeye and Karla.

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>>87680240
Basically, yes.

>>87680279
Wolverine's superpower is bleeding.
You don't need a giant robot to get his blood, all you really need is a length of wire across the highway when you know where he's drinking lately. A jetpack doesn't hurt in that scenario though

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>>87680253
Not even try to run?

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See? TOLD you HAMMER was involved.
I'm guessing Squidlady here is more relevant in this part of the story, because she's done NOTHING in New Avengers.

>>87679911
Literally master chiefs, fucking deodato

Keep going! This is one of the few Bendis Avengers arcs I liked

>>87680343
It's less people are idiots, and more "people started reading in the 2000s" and Bendis being more important than comics that are actually enjoyable to read.

I miss Hawkeye's costume already.
Fucking Ultimate bullshit ruining a classic design.

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>>87680333
It says weird things about comic fans that what you just said doesn't seem complicated.

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Seriously Anons, if she didn't SAY she was Quake, wouldn't you have assumed she was just Maria Hill again?

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Okay, so Bendis KNOWS about Cagebolts... he just never has it come up.

>>87680383
Squidlady is Madame Hydra posessed by Hive

>>87680424
yes

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Even fucking US Agent is pointing out how bullshit it was that Osborn escaped.

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>>87680363
I love that page, and I don't think I've ever actually read that issue.

>>87680449
Well maybe you should have done a background check on your guards Walker.

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Oh, so at least THIS book has people who lie the Avengers.

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>>87680402
Good to hear Anon, because we're going for the long haul! If I can, I'll fit this entire arc in this thread. Also, turns out the New Avengers doesn't even have the resolution to the arc, so I HAVE to.

>>87680410
Well, it's not super complex, but he was working with the mob under Egghead when he died, making Clint think he was a badguy until a letter from the FBI with a commendation for dying in service arrived in the mail.

But when he came back in Blindspot, Barney laughed at Clint for buying that and claimed to have always been a criminal. And he had a load of dirty money, which Clint then inherited and used to buy his aparatment building in Hawkguy.

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>>87680407
I started reading comics in the 2010's, that's no excuse!

>>87680469
>Washington DC will never recover
I don't know,they recovered fine after Kang blew most of it up with lasers, Sentinels and biological weapons.

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Is he fighting a tiny Sentinel?!

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>>87680437
Are you serious?

>>87680457
Burn this ship. Burn it and kill it's nation's entire navy. Burn the ship. Burn the ports. Burn everything.

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Okay, Tacticool T'Challa. For reasons I don't remember, he no longer had access to Vibranium or his super-tech, and he was in Hells Kitchen, protecting the city while Daredevil was "discovering himself" after Shadowland.

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So, Storm as an Avenger. I forgot Marvel Adventures didn't make that up.

>>87680495
Not everyone gets the glory light of JSAnon to guide them.

Hell, in these dark days not even we do.

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Really Jessica?

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Oh hey, I guess enough people busted Bendis's balls on this that he undid it.

>>87680511
It happened in Secret Warriors.

>>87680535
Marvel Adventures did it first actually

>>87680535
No, they did.
Marvel Adventures Avengers is like, 4 years or something at this point.

Because this is after I got fed up with this crap, and MA Avengers was well established before that. In fact I think the line had ended by this point.

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>>87680488
As someone who's never read all of that, I re-iterate, does that not seem hilariously convoluted to you?

>>87680557
What bothered people was how casually it was done "Yeah, I've been fixing him in my spare time, it's not like I was in a hurry or anything, we had another Vision running around".

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Yet another Bendis gag I liked, if only for the mental image that he only JUST noticed the red giant.

>>87680557
RIP Jonas, you're going to get mentioned again about as often as Teen Tony.

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>>87680465
An afternoon's work, and Quake was able to find all this. They fucked up.

>>87680570
It wasn't until he stopped being dead!
He was just an undercover cop until then!

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Does Bendis remember that Hand was a shield liason? Because from the second panel, it doesn't look like he does.

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Remember those aligations Osborn brought up? This is one of them.

>>87680587
What is it about Osborn that makes government workers willing to betray their government to join his cause? I literally can't think of any time that has ever happened on such a grand scale.
I know many military guys hate Obama, but they still followed his orders and never rebelled.

Avengers: Tommy Lee Jones Edition

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>>87680537
She'll be back one day to show us more great comics. In the meanwhile, you're just going to have to put up with me.

>>87680608
>I love you, Spider-Woman!
Unless Carol snuck into the crowd this is complete bullshit.

>>87680608
That's a dumb allegation. He was ousted by the government, and the reasons why were public (invading Asgard and blowing up Soldier Field). He was being TRANSFERED to a trial just before his escape.

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Reasons why I worded it as "put up with me" are because, unlike JSAnon, who actually KNOWS about comics, I say things that are easily and demonstrably proven wrong, like what >>87680564 and >>87680567 did. Hell, even this page shows that Squidhead really IS Madame Hydra!

>>87680608
But Norman, they keep dangerous presumed criminals in prison until they're tried. Especially when they are rich enough to fly to Europe and pretend to be dead for a decade to avoid being charged with the Green Goblin's crimes.

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>>87680575
He's demonstrably NOT a fan of classic Avengers, so I have no idea why Marvel gave him two Avengers titles. That's like putting Busiek on X-Men.

Don't get me wrong, I LIKE Busiek's work, but they both CLEARLY have favorites.

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Osborn, you were ousted because you used your personal Avengers, and a government body (and this is the key part), to declare war on a sovereign nation, without the approval of the president or Congress.

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>>87680585
I remember one book having a scene where a rebuilt Vision had a moment with Stature, so it got mentioned more than Teen Tony EVER did.

>>87680661
Some tell Hawkeye what a hologram is before he kills a reporter

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>>87680628
Written by Bendis, Anon.

>>87680661
And again, the US government itself was the one that arrested Osborn and took away his power, not the Avengers.
Also, Osborn, you ran an ACTUAL police state, you arrested/killed reporters, put villains in positions of power and you blew up a football field for fucks sake.

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>"He was blamed for the fall of Asgard, are we to believe that?!"

Yes, you are. He lead the charge, one of his men took it down. THAT is why he was locked up, and why this never gets brought up annoys me.

>>87680675
>Is Osborn no longer in custody?
Wait, why the fuck was Osborn's escape not made public?

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I guess having Kalamari for a head must've itched.

>>87680686
Osborn's allegations are fucking dumb. Even if the media takes them seriously for some fucking reason, the government never would because they know what actually happened.

Also, I find that guy whose asking if Cap is sure the Red Skull is REALLY dead hilarious. Only one asking the important questions. He knows what's up.

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So according to Clint here, he WAS held without trial. Like I said, Osborn was right, because EVERYONE involved is an idiot, even though, as >>87680638 helpfully pointed out, there's perfectly valid reasons for him to be in a cell.

>>87680675
>We can't trust the Avengers, they let Norman Osborn escape!
>You know who wouldn't let that happen? Norman Osborn! Bring back Osborn and HIS Avengers! They'll keep us safe!

This is why the Marvel US Government keeps wasting billions of dollars on Sentinel programs and letting Thunderbolt Ross there waste whole army divisions working out the Hulk.

Marvel Civilians are morons.

>>87680686
It annoys me even more that everyone forgot about Soldier Field. Also, all the other illegal shit he did while he was in power.

>>87680707
But he wasn't held without trial, he was being transfered to a "World Court" before his escape.

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It would be a lot easier to organize these pages better if they did the old thing where they just had an asterisk and a box where they said "took place in X".

>>87680686
And then some jackass would point out that the Sentry was an Avenger before Osborn.

>>87680707
>What did he say that was wrong?
Everything, you're an idiot Clint

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>>87680687
Because then they'd have to reveal they fucked up, and as we're constantly learning, they're fucking up at almost EVERY conceivable level, to the pint that it's making THEM look bad, and not making Osborn look like the Lex Luthor figure Bendis is trying to make him look like.

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Remember, Vision has been dead since Dissassembled. He woke up to seeing the guy Spider-Man used to smack around suddenly being an Avengers-level problem.

>>87680732
Villains escape from prison all the damn time, the Avengers and the government have never covered up any escape. The Raft's terrible security is common knowledge.

>>87680720
That would require Bendis allowing an editor to edit his writing.

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Remember Thunderbolts mountain, Anons?

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>>87680716
I just checked, and you're right. So yeah, this whole thing could be dealt with if Tony Stark got on camera and said "Osborn is a flight risk, so we're keeping him in a cell. He's a known superpowered killer, so we're keeping him in a very SECURE cell."

>>87680755
Pepridge Farm remembers

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Oh good, HAMMER can make Hulks now.

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>>87680714
>Marvel Civilians are morons.
No, morons implies that they'd eventually get it right. They're ACTIVELY going for the person who would screw them all over.

>>87680777
It's a good thing that Clint's a top Hulk Killer, then, huh?

>>87680777
Which did you feel was the stronger of the Osborn arcs. Avengers or New Avengers? I feel plot wise Avengers but I'm always a sucker for Dark Avengers esque plots

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And HAMMER-Wasps are a thing now. What next, HAMMER Captain Americas?

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Wait, no, HAMMER-Iron Man.

>>87680802
Perfect Goblin formula is more/less super soldier serum. If I remember correctly Roderick Kingsley was exposed to the perfected batch and has all of the benefits and none of the madness.

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>>87680754
I don't think Marvel books do that anywhere, nowadays, with MAYBE the exception of big events.

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Jesus christ, Osborn must be positively THROBBING with this new Avengers-boner of his.

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>>87680746
Shit, there was a MASSIVE breakout at the start of New Avengers. I didn't say it was a GOOD explanation, just the only one I can think of.

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Damn it, is Jessica a Skrull AGAIN?!

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Wait, no, she's either pulling a bluff that Moonstone would be proud of, or using her pheremones.

>>87678535
Reading bump

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>>87680795
Well Avengers had an actual resolution, as we'll see. It feels like they're both supposed to be the same story, but neither issue ends with a "continued in the other story!" even on the previews page.

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>>87680809
Is it? I know it gives even more strength, but since most Goblins move on the glider, I can't remember how their agility compares to Cap's.
I remember one of the Spider-Man tie-ins to Dark Siege having Osborn inject someone with both serums, and he ended up dying horribly.

Spider-Man ended up leaking that to the mass media as Peter Parker, so that's another crime he's known to have committed, unauthorized human testing.

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>>87680863
Thanks, Anon.

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So does this mean that Janet could take down Bruce?

Don't answer that, I'm pretty sure she can't. Unless this would work on him, then say so.

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So this is, what Bleeding Edge armor? I thought this was hack-proof?

>>87680898
Janet took on zombie Bruce this past week actually. I don't think she tried this specifically though.

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>"I am not reading you, but I will continue to broadcast in the hope that you are reading me."

Nice excuse for exposition.

>>87680898
Yes. Because this is THE RED HULK. And if you remember properly, you know he's a fanfic grade king of the dick measuring contest.

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>>87680919
Didn't he end up getting up from that?

>>87680904
At least he didn't get hacked into a Janet clone again.

>>87680877
From what I understand, the Goblin formula boosts the strength of the individual to superhuman levels (lift 10 tons), as well as just increasing their baseline speed/agility (probably not to Cap levels). The original rendition of the Goblin formula drove the user insane but that has been edited out in some renditions. Most importantly, the Goblin formula enhances the users durability to extreme levels and blesses them with a healing factor that can allow them to survive fatal injuries.

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>>87680925
>We Smash for Vengence

>>87680904
You're sounding like you're expecting Bendis to read comics again, anon.

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>>87680936
Before retconning his death, did it have that healing factor? I've read surprisingly little of Spider-Man, because I read comics like this, and for Spider-Man and the X-Men, that's a LOT of comics.

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>>87680935
A NAKED Janet Clone, Anon. You can't forget the important bit.

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>"You are power corrupted! You're the reason this world is constantly on the brink of disaster."

Not Hydra, who's chant they're literally coping, not Galactus, who comes by every few years for a snack, not the countless other supervillains who feel like wrecking shit, it's the Avengers.

God damn, this arc has a stupid underlying premise.

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>>87680970
Maybe if he read something besides Doomquest, he wouldn't constantly shit on other Marvel books, is all I'm saying.

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Dumbass, HE can fly. He's killing YOU.

>>87681011
>God damn, this arc has a stupid underlying premise.

Very much agreed.
And as I need to get to bed, I leave you with this reminder, which is possibly what Bendis was trying to do, but, y'know, competent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vey7GKNpl4Q

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Oh, and I guess those guys.

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And now you know how HAMMER capturing Captain America.

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Spoilers: Gorgon doesn't actually appear in this comic

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And we're still revisiting this argument.

>>87681011
It's especially stupid since Bendis utterly fails at showing actual instances of things that are actually the Avengers' fault.

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I can't say he's wrong to, since I read last night and I forgot, but Bendis apparently forgot that he wasn't held without trial, he was on his WAY to the trial.

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>>87681035
I can't blame you, Anon. Keep the thread open so you can see the chatter tomorrow.

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Oh yeah, Avengers Academy was running around now.

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She looks like she's trying to make a new sibling for Jessica right now.

>>87680051
>>87680041
>>87680069
Anyone have those edits of her being tossed out of the window for increasingly stupid reasons?

>>87681076
Why would the government even hold him without trial anyway? They have actual charges to pin on him, and they'd want to use him as an example so that nobody ever tries to pull an Osborn again.

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>>87681074
The problem is that, for every instance he DOES point out, there's dozens more of actual supervillains doing more destructive shit.

This whole argument is based on "Bad guys wouldn't even be a thing if you didn't give them the opportunity" while either forgetting, or choosing to ignore that THEY WORK FOR ONE OF THE BAD GUYS WHO TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY!

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Fucking hell, look at how wide those AIM helmets are!

>>87681117
Sheesh, are those for the stockier members of AIM or for half-successful attempts at recreating MODOK?

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Well, if you've gotta tell them to get bent, that's a unique way to do it.

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>Jessica Drew in a sex dungeon

Sometimes, it's like JSAnon is still with us...

>>87680224
>>Civil War wasn't even a year ago
Which is bullshit. A year passed in-universe between Cap's death and rebirth.

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Don't you hate it when walls eat you?

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>>87681100
Literally because the plot wouldn't work otherwise.

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>>87681098
I have no idea what you're referring to, but I want to see these edits too.

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For a spy, you stick out like a sword thumb, you know that?

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Dude, you live in the world where WOLVERINE is an Avenger. They don't care how many people you kill anymore.

>>87680291
I wonder what could make Tony go in the opposite direction if CWII.
Oh yeah, shitty writing

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>>87681129
That's what happens when you half-ass an attempt to make your costumes "updated".

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>"You can't arrest me, you're not even human."

What, is Byrne writing these now?

>>87680320
Who invited Moon Knight?

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>the president is genuinely considering getting Osborn on his payroll again

It's not just Marvel Civilians who are completly stupid, it's their politicians too.

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>>87681162
Looks like nobody told Bendis.

>>87681250
Maybe someone did and it went through one ear and out the other.

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For fuck's sake, not only are YOU a known terrorist, but you're literally standing in front of guys in Hydra uniforms.

>>87681240
Especially since The President should know better than anyone all the illegal shit Osborn did.

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Madame Hydra isn't exactly a PR lady, is she?

>>87681272
Yeah, you'd think Osborn would keep the Hydra thing secret

>>87680570
Why didn't you save Vin Tony? You saved the dog, why not his wife and son?

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Credit where it's due, the government aren't being dicks about this. They could easily just turn on the Avengers, and in some of the worse stories, I'd believe they would.

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So are unstable molecule costumes only a Reed Richards thing? Because I feel like the only thing that would make these soldiers more afraid than Hulks would be Hulks dressed like terrorists.

Also, notice what they're saying THIS time.

>>87681272
What "evidence" is there for the Avengers' "war crimes"?
AND WHY THE FUCK IS THE PRESIDENT TALKING TO HYDRA?

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>>87681232
Honestly, I'm just assuming that HE'S a member of the Secret Avengers as well.

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>"She's new to the team, we're not prepared for her."

In a better written book, that would mean she'd end up breaking them all out from here.

>>87681293
Especially with good 'ol Gyrich around, right?

>>87681293
>From OUR point of view, the Avengers are terrorists
Literally HOW? Literally nothing they do can be argued as being terrorism.

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It's probably for the best we don't see his face here. There's no way you can take "Oopsy poopsy" seriously.

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And this is where last issue ended.

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And from here, we end up at >>87679880

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>>87681288
I'm guessing it's a lot like Dark Reign, where everyone is after their own things, waiting for when Osborn fucks up.

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>>87681300
This is HAMMER, not Hydra. Don't be silly, Anon.

>>87680885
Thank you for storytiming this.

Bump again

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>that fifth panel

Why the fuck does Marvel let Bendis write women?

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>>87681372
Feel free to comment, or make jokes at the stupid shit we're reading. That's half the fun of reading Bendis.

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Rulk, just do the clap again, and take them all out.

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>Vision jobbed to fucking Osborn
>his suit isn't even ripped

This is either foreshadowing, or total horseshit. Which do you think, Anons?

>>87681117
You just know they got all kinds of cool high tech shit in those helmets

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And now, back to New Avengers. The last issue was all the way over >>87680187

>>87681391
The latter.

By the by, the first Marvel comics I ever read was Ultimate Spider-Man. That was amazing.

This ain't.