New Avengers Vol 2 Storytime (Part 4)

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I'm afraid I won't be talking much this time, I've got to run soon.

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Yep, it's a Bendis issue all right.

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Two damn pages of this?

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So he's on TWO Avengers teams, the FF, and he's a solo act?

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Maybe if you stopped defending him once in a while, Peter wouldn't think you're a double agent!

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I AM MASTER BAITING

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Like I said, Mockingbird got better REAL quickly.

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And that's three of these pages now. Try and guess how many are in this issue.

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Oh yeah, Fear Itself is going on.

>>87636968
These Bendis pages are never good but Deodato is just the worst at them.

>>87636982
There's a place in the US called Blitzkrieg? Oh, and there are Nazi robots, too.

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>>87636998
Then you should avoid Dark Avengers. The entire book is the two of them.

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FOUR!

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So does Wolverine do this in every team he's on?

>>87637073
>sliicee
>ee
That's not how emphasis works, that vowel does not make a sound in this word. That's not even onomatopoeia.

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Lady, does it MATTER which Avenger she is? Just fucking run from the giant Nazi mechs!

>>87636841
"Thing with gross parasites" is a solid design, even if it feels about as Nordic as llama.

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>>87637087
Bendis not knowing something obvious? What a shock!

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>>87637103
Shame he doesn't even show up in this issue

>>87636885
Curse The Office and Reality TV for making interspersing narratives with direct to camera confessionals.

Also, huh, I guess Deodato had fully comitted to tracing Poser by this point.

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So this issue, and the last New Avengers issue? These are the gonna be in the second Mockingbird thread, since they didn't have enough for a two full trades.

By the way, five of these pages.

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>It's a Squirrel Girl issue

>>87636923
To be a double agent, you need to be convincingly on the side you're supposed to betray, and she's way too greenpilled for that.

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Oh fuck me running, he's gonna do this here, too...

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I like to think Danny is remembering the last time he and Wolverine fought, and Wolverine got the entire team to fight him.

>>87637204
Oh hell no.

>>87636950
If by "better" you mean "replaced by a creepy poser model from Your3DSexporn.biz"

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I admit, I don't watch as much kung fu movies as I should but do they even do the "call out the attacks" thing? I thought that was mostly an anime thing.

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>"That was me at about a 6."
>"I was at 3."

I know there was an anime when they did this exchange, but I can't remember which.

May have been Dragonball.

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>"Just like old times."

So did Squirrel Girl and Wolverine even KNOW eachother before this? Out of universe, I mean?

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>>87637142
I think he did that for both Avengers series during this arc, for some reason.

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>they don't know Squirrel Girl can talk to squirrels

Honestly, I feel like she used THAT power more than her physical abilities.

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>>87637020
>If it was okay for Battletech to steal Destroids outright, so can I, DEO!

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Oh yeah, Squirrel Girl went to college around this time.

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>>87637199
To be a GOOD double agent, Anon. She's clearly not that good.

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>>87637223
I meant better in a medical sense. Remember, she was shot in the chest and laid up in a hospital bed the literal day before.

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>>87637221
Yeah, in Avengers, one of the issues displayed how Hawkeye and Jessica Drew got together while Nazis were wrecking shit.

>>87637168
Man, I'm sure people going deep for "feminism means being a vapid embodiment of entitlement" will enjoy this uncanny valley porn art.

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Because I'm a morbid fucker, I like to think the Squirrels ate him alive. It's not edgy, because he's a Nazi.

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>>87637299
Time Runs Out had him literally trace a lego toy, if I remember right.

>>87637219
Sparring with "unbreakable bones man" sounds like a great way to show just how much you are "breakable bones man"

Probably a good thing his healing stance got boosted.

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Luke, don't call Wong bitchy, it's not like any of you guys have actually talked to him.

Seriously, has anyone but Strange tried to make nice with Wong?

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They're literally packing Swastikas on their mechs, it's safe to assume they're Nazis.

>>87637403
A Star Wars lego toy, if I remember right.

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I guess the mansion got some upgrades after Zemo trashed the place that one time.

>>87637262
No. Before this, Squirrel Girl had one goofy one off story in a Holiday special, and then maybe like a year's worth of Great Lakes Avengers spread across a couple books.

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And this'll be the last issue for tonight, Anons.

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>this entire page

God damn it Bendis, just because you make fun of criticism against your comic doesn't mean it isn't valid!

>>87637468
Who'll get the interview this time?

>>87637278
>This series will never mention Bobbi was also a Great Lakes Avenger.

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>>87637484
Surprise! EVERYONE gets the interview, even Noh-Varr in the fourth panel, and he has never even been IN this title.

>>87637340
BEHOLD, THE POWER OF CTRL-V!

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In case the cover didn't make it obvious, Daredevil is in this issue.

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And suddenly, gratuitous Daredevil butt shot.

>>87637540
Is that the Amazing Atheist?

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>>87637464
So basically Bendis pulled that whole thing STRAIGHT from his ass, got it.

>>87637457
It's been rebuilt like 3 times since then.

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>>87637488
Given it's the series that made Squirrel Girl famous, it's surprising just how few people seem to have ever actually READ the damn thing.

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And now you know the source of this famous page.

>>87637049
Only if there's somebody who can manage throwing him. Adamantium is heavy.

>>87637599
Now I know why you're story timing this hot garbbo.

>>87637523
But do we get him doing a confessional to the wall opposite the camera?

Bendis talking smack about people shitting on him is entirely unearned. His Avengers work is way too shit for him to get that privilege.

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Yeah, I guess in the other Avengers book's tie-in Avengers tower went down.

>>87637278
I recall Carol and Jess shippers reading a lot of subtext into their interviews in the other series.

>>87637599
Absolutely incredible, not even disappointed in the short thread tonight.

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>>87637520
Don't forget CTRL-+, that's how you can make it look like you aren't ONLY copy-pasting it.

>>87637565
When are inter-character relationships under Bendis ever NOT pulled from his ass?

Did Daredevil even end up an Avenger after all this goddamn shilling?
Isn't this right around when Shadowland was going on with him pulling a heel turn?

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It took almost half the book to continue from where the last issue ended.

>>87637238
Some does, but it's really corny over the top movies.

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>lockdown mode
>doesn't even have freaking shutters on the windows

I know that's probably tricky to do in the real world, but this is the Marvel Universe, it should be standard.

>>87637655
>and that's how squirrel girl died, forever, the end

>>87637580
Well, to be fair, Bobbi was in GLA as a storyline in West Coast Avengers, and was still dead while the Slott minis were running. Hell, so was Hawkeye! They did jokes about how Swordsman was not Clint!

The problem is not the inks themselves. Colour is the thing that gives the poser feel the most this time.

God Fucking Damn It. It looks lifeless to the bone in any case.

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>>87637553
On the one hand, I'm sad that I remember who that is. On the other hand, I'm glad I forgot him long enough that I had to think about it.

>>87637609
Well, really it's because Danny and Luke are on this team.

>>87637262
The probably met while Logan was on a bender in Wisconsin.

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Well, if she's going to pick a character to take the D from, at least she picked one that has a few on his chest to spare.

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Yeah, a few things happened during those three weeks. We'll get to them.

>>87637319
Gotta say, I prefer how they're splicing the interview into the pages here better than last issue.

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>>87637567
So what you're saying is, at some point they should've put in automated shutters for the windows?

>>87637702
>sniff, sniff
>'Hey Kid, you're old enough to have your mutant powers manifest right? Want a beer? Have any condoms?'

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>>87637609
God, I wish that glorious image was why.

Sadly, I made the decision to post all Luke and Danny stories, and sadly, most of Luke's modern appearances are Bendis.

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And that's it for this thread, Anons! See you sometime tomorrow, when we see the New Avengers Annual, and what the shit Osborn managed to do.

>>87637649
>Isn't this right around when Shadowland was going on with him pulling a heel turn?

Believe it or not, Shadowland actually was finished before this even started. This was during Waid's run (apparently the reason Daredevil and Cap aren't on good terms is because Daredevil made a crack about how things are going great for Steve, not knowing Bucky was in a Russian internment camp at the time.

The reason I haven't done Shadowland yet is because Parkerbolts ties into that.

And I'm leaving that for last, so that it serves as a hopeful light at the end of the Bendis tunnel.

>>87637766
>sadly, most of Luke's modern appearances are Bendis.

We're still going to circle back and do Bendis' "Mike Murdock: Daredevil - Guest Starring Power Man and Iron Fist" at some point. I think you forgot about those appearances.

>>87637775
See you tomorrow to read more of Marvel's least interesting villain and his bizarre stranglehold on Marvel narratives because Gwen Stacy was Queseda's waifu.

>>87637818
>We're still going to circle back and do Bendis' "Mike Murdock: Daredevil - Guest Starring Power Man and Iron Fist" at some point. I think you forgot about those appearances.

Guilty as charged. I also forgot that one bit where the New Avengers fight the New Thunderbolts, which includes a scene where Genis-Vell teleports Sentry into a toilet, and Atlas throws Cage into the ocean after asking if he can swim.

>>87636885
>>87636896
>>87636968
Hey, is this the same "ask me about my feminist agenda" girl?

>>87637599
>I'M SORRY

>>87638603
They're both Barbara "Mockingbird" Morse, yes.

>>87638767
So thats what she's doing with her infinity/super soldier serum powers? Fighting for feminism?

>>87638805
I dunno, I only read the issues that were storytimed. Until the last issue's poorly thought out retcon, I was perfectly willing to let this book shit up its own corner of the Marvel Universe, like Spider-Man 2099.

>>87637599
Shoulda slipped in the edit, like that one guy who storytimed Red Son just so he can do that edit at the very end

>>87637247
Stuff like this is done in anime all the time
>I wasn't using my full power/Neither was I
>Looks like it's time for me to get serious
>I was only using about 30% of my true power
>Don't tell me, you were holding back this whole time?
>This isn't even my final form

>>87638985
>poorly thought out retcon
What did they do?

>>87637775

>>87639948
Please post the edit. I've never seen it.

>>87641028
You can probably find a Mockingbird thread to explain it in GRRAT detail.

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Oh yeah, around this time, Bendis was turning Simon "Wonder Man" Williams into a villain in Avengers.

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This is the closest we get to a reason why, and it's as dumb as it sounds.

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Since Age of Ultron effectively retconned itself, I don't think I'll be posting THAT story.

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It wouldn't be a Bendis Avengers story without shitting on Wanda.

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Man, it's a good thing Simon's sorta dead in the comics now, he'd have some choice words about the sequel.

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>"The Hulk is still out there and no one is lifting a finger to stop him."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Simon one of the physically strongest Avengers? Up there with Thor and Hercules? If he REALLY cared he could fight Hulk himself.

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Simon, blame the government for this one, they put Osborn in Tony's seat.

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Believe it or not, while this story was written, Spider-Island was finishing up. You know, the story that involved Anti-Venom sacrificing his powers to help save New York?
Hell, this two-parter is actually Atlas's only appearance between Fabian Nicieza's Thunderbolts (where he threw himself into a hole in space to save the world) and Standoff, where he was in prison.

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How does she get her tail through her pants? It's WAY bigger at the end than near her back.

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>"Edwards has X-Ray vision."
>"Oh, I didn't know that."

Take a shot, people.

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So this is when it goes into Lockdown mode, right?

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Guess now.

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>Bendis thinks Spider-Man can't recognize Eddie Brock

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Yeah, Jessica ends up getting buffed quite a bit. Atlas's deal is that he's powered by ionic-charged (the same stuff that powers Simon Williams and Count Nefaria) Pym Particles (which are Pym Particles)

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Oh, THIS one you know, Peter?

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Yeah, once she's a member of an actual team, Jessica Jones gets a power and competency boost. When she's in her solo, she's a consistent fuck-up, by design.

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According to wikipedia (I know nothing about Captain Ultra off the top of my head) he actually beat his fear of fire YEARS ago.

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What are the odds that Bendis knows Luke and Atlas fought before?

>>87641028
short form, turned "I got mind control drugged and raped by the Phantom Rider and so let I let him fall off a cliff" into "I cheated on my husband with the Phantom Rider"

Even previous fans of the book were upset by this.

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>"We beat up a bunch of known superheroes who were sitting in their place doing nothing to provoke us by dropping their own house on top of them."
>"We're totally the good guys here."

>>87644723
Indeed. Wonder Man's whole argument falls apart once you ask "so, who's gonna stop Kang the Conqueror and all those aliens?"

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Oh joy, and the other part is in a different series, too.

>>87644780
>>87644816
It's hypocritical of Simon to claim that the Civil War was fought "for nothing" and then complain about Dark Reign. Steve and the Anti-Regs fought to prevent something like Dark Reign from happening.
Also, the fact that the heroes put their differences aside and work together now is a GOOD thing.

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Time for the OTHER Avengers series. The one that, somehow, ended up not as good as this one.

>>87645152
This, how the fuck does Wonder Man think he's possibly going to convince anyone that his cause his righteous? How does beating up the Avengers prove anything other than he's a butthurt moron?

>>87644763
Did this come out before or after the Avengers Children's Crusade? Because if it came out after, he's really shitting on Heinberg and ignoring the retcons that established that the Avengers weren't at fault at all.

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>>87645157
ESPECIALLY Kang. Unlike Ultron, they didn't cause him. He was a bored time traveler who basically picked a fight with them. If they didn't form, he'd probably be fucking with the X-Men or the Fantastic Four.

>>87644975
>I warned you, X. I warned you!
Yet another common Bendis line.

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>>87645204
Before, actually. You can tell because Simon apparently got on his meds by then.

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Oh yeah, and for some reason Beast is involved in this. Not that I terribly mind, Avengers Beast was best Beast, but either way, he's written by Bendis.

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>>87645191
That's the good thing about being batshit insane. You don't have to worry about making sense.

>>87644723
>>87644853
Did Bendis really expect us to sympathize/agree with Wonder Man? Just because the Avengers have flaws doesn't mean the solution is to have no Avengers. That's like saying that because the government has flaws we should have no government.

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I admit, it's been a while since I read Bendis's Avengers, but why is Moon Knight here?

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Well, at least the crazy man didn't kill the baby.

>>87645016
>>87645036
If Spider-Man knows Ethan Edwards, why isn't he giving exposition instead of Victoria Hand reading wikipedia?

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>>87645223
To be fair, it's a common line in general.
A common Bendis line would be "I have no idea who that is."

>>87645064
>And I don't even know you are
I get that Bendis loves making characters ignorant of everything for some reason, but why didn't they get intel on the Avengers before attacking?

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So Anons, who likes the movie Training Day?

>>87645207
The Avengers don't cause 99% of their threats. Attuma, the Skrulls, the Kree, the Zodiac, The Hood, Dormammu, Thanos...they would all exist and ruin the world without the Avengers.

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That may be an obscure joke, but if you've seen that movie, you know exactly what I'm referring to, and maybe even got a chuckle out of it.

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Huh, so Bendis DID at least acknowledge the Hank-Simon bromance.

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>>87645302
Because Spidey is just the quip guy.

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>>87645356
>>87645263
I get where Bendis is coming from (a meta-reference on how heroes cause villains, and a direct reference to the recent hero-vs-hero events lately), but that doesn't work when there's a lot of beings who weren't literally caused by the heroes, like the ones you mentioned.

>>87645396
Uh Simon, why didn't you just call a press conference in the first place? You didn't need to wreck Avengers Mansion to do that. By committing all these crimes and ranting like a maniac, you're gonna lose a lot of sympathy.

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I dunno Simon, you are ranting like a supervillain. You may be a little crazy.

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>>87645427
Because that would be the SMART thing to do. Shit, the man's literally a famous actor and has a PR agent. It wouldn't be hard for him to do that.

>>87645421
>The good they have done does not outweigh the bad
Hmm, preventing the destruction of Earth multiple times vs some bad things that happened.
I'll take preventing the destruction of Earth please.

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For those of you who don't know, since the 60's (when he died the first time), Simon Williams has basically been a being of Ionic Energy, not flesh and blood. It's why he can come back from death as often as he does.

>>87645438
>Or I tell the world what you've done
None of the things he's blamed the Avengers for are actually secret though. It's all public knowledge.

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Erik, god damn it!

>>87645461
Great page.

>>87645504
No wonder Erik remained imprisoned until Standoff. He deserved it.

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>>87645498
I think he means the mass public. I know for a fact that House of M being Wanda was only known to the people there at first.

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>>87645521
I'm biased because I started with New Thunderbolts as a Genis-fan, and my introduction to him was beating Genis half to death for ruining his OTP, but even this is a bit much.

>>87645529
Ah right, forgot about Wanda. I doubt anyone would care though, if anything, they'd be happy to find out that Wanda was the one that got rid of the mutant menace.

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So, why does Doctor Strange just randomly have those gauntlets? Does the artist think he needs those to do magic?

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>>87645547
>"Wait, so they saved the world countless times AND wiped out those filthy muties? Shit, good job Avengers!"

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AND BACK TO THE INTERVIEWS AGAIN!

>>87645562
Bendis has a weird relationship with Doctor Strange where he thinks that Strange can't do magic himself or when he does do magic he has to go all-in on his soul every time.

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So tha t's two people butthurt they couldn't join the Avengers, one guy taking the chance to fuck with the Avengers, one guy who just wants to be on the winning side, one nutter (who is of course D-Man), one guy who just does whatever Simon says because he feels guilty for killing him once... and a grand total of TWO people who actually agree with Simon Williams.

>>87645599
That's really all they wrote for Erik? Guy was stuck in a coma at giant size, how are they not going to address that? And what's with the new outfit?

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>we will never get another series where Beast and Simon are bros

>>87645599
>>87645615
Dear God these motivations are all horrible and completely out of character (except Giant-Man and Anti-Venom).
Especially "I want to live in a world with no Avengers to protect it" and "How dare you prevent the Skrulls from taking over the world".

And why does Bendis hate D-Man so much?

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Simon, you've died a few times. Your first appearance in comics LITERALLY had you die at the end. Just because you don't get that ionic beings have a tendency to reform after death (seriously, Erik did it a few times, and Wanda wasn't involved) doesn't mean you have to turn evil.

>>87645634
I thought Beast was an atheist

>>87645645
>And why does Bendis hate D-Man so much?
Because he's gay.

>>87645658
Did Bendis really mean this whole "Wonder Man is a fake created by Wanda" thing? Just like the "Xorn was a fake Magneto created by Wanda?"
He just loves shitting on Wanda and trying to make her craziness go further back in time than it should have been.

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>>87645632
Yep, we never see Erik again (not counting flashbacks) between this and Standoff, where they never address any of this.

>>87645658
>This was probably the first hint that soomething was wrong with her
It wasn't. She didn't go "crazy" until she was posessed by the Lifr Force shortly before Disassembled. That retcon served as a nice fuck you Bendis.

It's especially dumb since, as you said, this wasn't Wonder Man's first death. Wanda just used her magic to reform him.

>>87645615
I think there's a grand total of..two people on the Cage lead Avengers who were Pro-Reg. Everyone else was on the same side as Goliath was before Thor's Clone wasted him.

>>87645710
>Either way...the world knows now
No they don't, all they know is that some crazy person that used to be an actor attacked the Avengers and then made a dumb nonsensical speech before getting arrested.

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>>87645692
I think Spencer made that up.

>>87639948
>that one guy who storytimed Red Son just so he can do that edit at the very end
That was arguably the greatest storytime we've ever had.

>>87645752
I take that back >>87645751
The media and public and the MU are morons.
What allegations? He offered no specifics. Of course he disappeared, he was arrested for his crimes.
They do raise a good question, why doesn't Steve just talk to the press,

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And that's it for this two parter. The Osborn arc ends up going for 8 issues (and maybe more if I remember the other Avengers book tying into it), but I'm only doing the first few issues of it.

>>87645798
Then he comes back to help save Janet from the microverse and becomes a regular in Uncanny Avengers if memory serves?

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God DAMN it, I hate percentage issues. It's not like the series was at risk of cancelation, this could've just been issue 17.

>>87645710
Just occurred to me, not too long after this, Cyclops kind of gives up on trying to co-exist with humankind, starts putting himself and all mutants above flatscan law and when somebody compares him to Magneto his only rebuttal is "I'M WINNING!"

So, Beast's had to watch two of his oldest friends turn into something horrifying. That might account for his own downward spiral. Seeing the two guys he'd crawl on glass for become...that.

>>87645752
>Why can't Simon Williams be heard?
Because he decided to commit several crimes before giving his speech instead of just giving the speech in the first place in order to have time to offer specifics without anyone being able to arrest him.

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>>87645823
First he comes back to help find Wanda in Children's Crusade, but yeah, that too.

>>87642945
I don't have it but it was basically the scene where Supes reads Luthor's letter and instead of saying "why don't you put the world in a bottle" it was the rotten tomatoes score for Batman V Superman

>>87645828
I believe the .1 issues were intended as "jumping on points", nothing to do with cancelation. But yeah, they wer dumb.

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If this is what Osborn thinks his costume looks like, no wonder he's kept the same thing going. It looks like the stuff of nightmares!

>>87645844
I can't help but compare Norman Osborn with Donald Trump now.

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Leave it to Spider-Man to point out that Hand is being needlessly evasive about saying Osborn did a bad.

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Honestly, just tell Wolverine that nobody's looking, and he'd probably just Snikt him anyway.

>>87645881
>International criminal court
Um, WHAT? Why? All of his crimes were on US soil. And there's no way that America would let ayone else try him.

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Yeah, Bendis never touches on this, but Luke Cage, as a side job, helps run the Raft.

>>87637849
>Atlas throws Cage into the ocean
that's one of my favorite pages

>>87645905
Is Asgard considered it's own sovereign nation?

>>87645895
>Because the other Avengers are busy
>By the way Spider-Man, Rogers would like to know why you and Wolverine aren't there with them.

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Well that was quick.

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Guess again!

>>87645834
B-but they wouldn't have listened to him otherwise! But yeah, everything about this was dumb and the last "I'll pretend to write classic Avengers in a totally non parodic way" Bendis arc where he helps finding Janet because "I was craycray with ionic energy" was the dumbest thing.

>>87645861
>this and the whole arc
>the Osborn miniseries by KSdC
>the Goblin cult here and in the Spider-books
And in the end it was a fat load of nothing. I really wonder how much Fear Itself and AvX screwed with Bendis' intended timeline leading to Age of Ultron, there's no way he set up so many things just to drop them all forever. I mean, he sure does it a lot, but at least with Ultimate Spider-Man and his X-men he carried some shit over to other books

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>>87645830
Given that Bendis wrote both parts of that, I could almost believe that's what he's going for, if Beast were even a major part of it.

>>87645933
Spiderman's just throwing his hands up.

>OSSSSBORN!

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Jessica's probably getting flashbacks to the time Osborn almost gave her a miscarriage by, well, using full strength to beat the shit out of her while pregnant.

>>87645861
>>87645881
How is that even when Neil Adams is following someone else's script, everything he draws still looks fucking insane?

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It doesn't get brought up much, since Bendis's Osborn is too busy using Iron Man suits, but this is a guy that has been fighting Spider-Man in fist-fights for almost a decade in-universe.

>>87644988
Nice cleavage

>>87645965
I get the feeling that Bendis can carry through when he's the only person playing in a sandbox, but his adaptive skills are nil.

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Based on where Osborn's hands end up in the third panel, he's either selling the FUCK out of that throw, or he's supposed to be throwing her down.

>>87646014
Wait, every single one of the guards was loyal to Osborn? How do you fuck up so badly? They shouldn't have let any former HAMMER agents in.

>>87637504
say what you like about the bendis, this is a fun page.

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>>87645979
Spidey is not a subtle man. He may have actually yelled that.

>>87645995
Weird how after this arc Norman forgot that Jessica and Luke even existed and never got around to going after them or their baby. Actually it's not weird, only Bendis cared.

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Oh yeah, Superia is back now.

>>87636841
Deodato tracing poser makes my nose bleed.

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>tries to use Iron Fist
>gets propelled backwards, with all the force seemingly aimed at the dick

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>>87646035
But Fear Itself was only three issues, and HE wrote AvX.

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>>87646041
It's not like he threatened their families or anything either, which would be more believable. These people are just outright LOYAL to him.

>>87646098

Of it's many problems AvX was written by committee

(The best issue is Remender and JrJr doing the Utopia fight bc Remender does awesome Bronze Age fight narration)

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>>87645852
Well this page DOES seem to go with that, but sometimes it just gets comical.

>>87646114
It's more "He wants to make the world a better place. Somehow." shit.

Norman and Dark Reign became chilly and scary super rrequick senpai

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>>87646067
What's that Anon, you want more Deodato?

>>87646114
You'd think that John Walker, Luke Cage and the government would have done some background checks.
And of course, this guard doesn't actually say WHY things will be better, when Osborn objectively made everything worse.

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>>87646043
He does a similar one at the end of that issue.

>>87646098
I said "can", not "does"

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>"Guys, don't hit the robot..."

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>"We're all gonna hit the robot."

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See, THIS is what happens when nobody learns about other people's villains!

>>87646201
>>87646180
>Don't hit the Robot
>The Avengers hit a robot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idoYCVLh2qI

>>87646123
>(The best issue is Remender and JrJr doing the Utopia fight bc Remender does awesome Bronze Age fight narration)
AvX was Bendis, lazy Brubaker, Hickman, Fraction and Aaron.

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>>87646123
Honestly, until I was re-downloading it, I forgot it wasn't just a Bendis story.

>>87646218
Carol has actually faced Ultimo before, so she has no excuse.

>>87646218
>See, THIS is what happens when nobody learns about other people's villains!

Hell that was the basis for an event

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>"Oh right, the Wizard can solve it easily."

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So I guess it no longer redirects attacks?

>>87645975
>>87646241
>Crimson Bands of Cyttorak. Book of the Ancient Scrolls, chapter 53.
>Crimson Bands of Cyttorak. Book of the Vishanti
Damnit Bendis, if you're going to insist on pushing this way of showing Strange's spells, at least be consistent about it.

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>>87646154
You'll notice that Bendis never even REFERENCES Thunderbolts during this, despite Cage being a main character there.

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>>87646252
Acts of Vengence, or a more recent one?

>>87646289
Chapter 53 of the book of the Ancient Scroll is titled "Book of the Vishanti."

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I know villains try to get DNA for Wolverine a lot (although given his fighting strategy tends to be "rush in blindly and let the healing factor do it's job" it shouldn't be too hard), I just love the idea of a jar of his blood flying away like this.

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Carol's pretty fast, so those are some POWERFUL damn rockets.

>>87646218
This is why the Avengers have a database with files that members are supposed to study up on.
Steve Rogers recognized a martian just from reading Killraven's description of martians from his alternate future.

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>>87646248
Before, or after she got Rogued? Remember mind wipe.

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>"We weren't prepared for a mystic attack, even though the Avengers literally have a wizard on payroll."

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I feel like this is the first page in Bendis's Osborn where Bendis remembers "Oh right, it's SPIDER-MAN he's got a hateboner for."

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Based on the discussion from last time, Superia should be snapping Osborn like a twig for interrupting her.

>>87646381
>>87646400
Why the fuck are AIM, Hydra and the Hand suddenly all working for Osborn now? I get why Osborn would accept their help, but why would they ever offer it and be subordinate to him? It makes no sense. Especially since AIM and Hydra hate each other ever since they split up.

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>>87646356
I'm not completely convinced that they still have that, since characters don't even use the bronze age exposition of "I read that..." unless it's the handler.

>>87637468
I actually liked this issue and its parallel one in adjectiveless, with "what does it mean to be an Avenger". It's more about "what it means to be in a public hero team" but it's still good. Too bad this arc was the one where Deodato decided to become as lazy as he could. It's uncanny how you can see he still tried a bit in Dark and Secret Avengers and then he just stops.

>>87644853
Still mad that Atlas and Skrull Superman were misused so.

>>87646414
>Your series of colossal failures
I'd say they have a much better track record than you

>All fighting for the same piece of the small pie
Isn't that what you're doing?

>>87646420
Villains in the Marvel universe almost always find it easier to team up without infighting than heroes do.

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And that's it for today, Anons. See you guys tomorrow, where we see the conclusion of the Osborn/Hammer arc, as well as the answer to >>87646420

Hope to see you there!

>>87646451
Which makes no sense really. In the real world, criminal organizations never get along, they always fight each other over turf. The rivalries between police departments are nothing compared to the blood feuds between cartels.

>>87645152
>Eddie Brock saying "this is the biggest win I've had" at this
Can Bendis just be given an Ultraverse or Rune relaunch with OCs only so he doesn't ruin established characters?

>>87645243
>Oh yeah, and for some reason Beast is involved in this
Secret Avengers, lad, same as O' Grady here. They used to have a Quinbird (quinjet + blackbird) and everything. It was a really fun concept but apparently /co/ forgot the team existed.

Is there a reason why Spidey just randomly switches suits? Or why at the beginning he was going to leave and it was never brought up again?

>>87646571
>why Spidey just randomly switches suits
Some artists were willing to draw the FF suit, others didn't feel like it and wanted to draw the classic Spidey suit.

>Or why at the beginning he was going to leave and it was never brought up again?
He decides to not leave at the end of that scene.

>>87646571
The White Suit is his Future Foundation outfit. Considering he's saying he's quitting the Avengers while using "I'm also in the FF", it makes sense.

>>87646571
The white suit he wore as a member of FF after Johnny died in the Negative Zone was made of unstable molecules and could morph into the classic one and more, so there's a perfectly canonical explanation for artists being lazy,

pumb

>>87645895
>and you're just sitting here eating
Isn't that all that they do?

>>87646521
>Secret Avengers, lad, same as O' Grady here. They used to have a Quinbird (quinjet + blackbird) and everything. It was a really fun concept but apparently /co/ forgot the team existed.
I still remember, especially Rick Remender's run.

>>87649992
Too bad it had to wrap super fast in order to be relaunched for the general post-AvX reshuffling. When the last issue came out I reread the last pages three or four times because I was sure I must've had a missing page or something. Turns out it was just compressed with Jim Hammond's reflections tying all up.

>>87636841

Mockingbird's tits look fit to pop.

>>87644798
Was this before or after they tried to THROW HIM INTO SPACE

>>87653060
He's probably referring to World War Hulk, which was explicitly the result of "Let's try and do something about the Hulk".

>>87644723
Man, he took getting booted off the Omega the Unknown sequel HARD.

>>87644763
One of Wanda's Crimes against humanity?

Bringing Wonder Man back from the dead. Ungrateful shit.

>>87644853
"Proactive heroics" is a bad idea, has always been a bad idea, and needs to stop getting revisited.

>>87644896
Okay, that had better be fucking Devil Slayer indicating who Wong is.

>>87645036
So, should we be giving Bendis credit that he isn't having the Avengers blow a hole through New Goliath's chest to prove Wonder Man's point?

>>87645051
Also, the Thing KNOWS D-Man.
They were stars of the Unlimited Class Wrestling Federation together, and Ben helped Dunphy fight his addiction to Power Broker steroids.

>>87655226
And that wasn't even the first time they'd tried taking the Hulk and dumping him off Earth.

>>87645152
This isn't even the first time Atlas has attacked the Avengers Mansion and beat the crap out of everyone inside.

He's spent years working to redeem himself from shit like that.

>>87645379
But of course, not the Carol-Simon romance that was a fair amount of his recent appearances before this.

>>87645498
Also, if he didn't want to get hit by the Avengers, why was the first thing he did in this grand new direction attack the Avengers mansion and everyone in it?

>>87645615
>Where you killed the original Goliath

But Hank Pym didn't die in Civil War. Hell, technically, he wasn't even there.

>>87646041
As always, blame Victoria "Evil is Right" Hand.

>>87646248
What are you talking about? Sure she does! This is a Bendis comic! Continuity is a shackle that he has freed them from, a great emancipation making Brian Michael Bendis the EQUAL of Lincoln.

>>87646354
Why didn't she just blast the fucking thing?

Pew pew pew to the engines and all of a sudden it's just yet another puddle of Wolverine's blood on the ground.

>>87646445
>I'd say they have a much better track record than you

It's like they expect everyone to forget the decade plus of Norman getting bonked on the head and swapping personalities like a goddamn cartoon character.

>>87646123
It was Hickman, Bendis, Aaron, Fraction and Brubaker