Things normies think happened in comics

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>This thread again.

But he did bully him.

In his early appearances, Eugene "Flash" Thompson was a high school classmate of Peter Parker. In high school, Flash was a stereotypical jock who continually bullied Peter. Flash was physically abused by his alcoholic father Harrison Thompson, leading to Flash's own violent, bullying nature.[2] Thompson dubbed Peter with the derogatory nickname "Puny Parker" and humiliated Parker daily in front of the whole school. Ironically, Flash admired Spider-Man (Peter Parker) and formed the first "Spider-Man Fan Club" and vocally supports his idol wherever he goes, even criticizing J. Jonah Jameson and the Daily Bugle editorials to his face. When Spider-Man was seen committing robberies, Flash was one of the few to stand up for him claiming that he could still be innocent. It soon turned out that Spider-Man had been framed by Mysterio and Flash boasted about how he was always right. Peter, who openly stated that he would not "trust [Spider-Man] any further than I can throw him", took some secret pleasure in that Flash supported his alter-ego.[3]

So you are a normie?

>>87667183
>>87667184
Is this what counts as bullying these days?

They dissed each other regularly

>>87667164
He did in high school, they don't become bros until Flash gets back from Vietnam

>>87667215
No, saying mean things on the internet counts as bullying these days. What Flash did in the '60s would be assault by today's standards and would really in his expulsion, today. In New York, he'd probably be prosecuted, too.

>>87667248
Peter did beat him too anon

>>87667259
As retaliation after he got his powers.

>>87667215
>>87667248
>>87667259
>>87667164
>>87667183
He started out bullying him, beating him up, stealing his lunch money. THEN they became friends. He was also suspecting Pete of being Spiderman and he had to get increasingly more creative to fool him.

Then he got his legs blown off.


Most "normies" wouldn't even know who Flash Thompson is, I oughta know. Since whenever I tell people ol Venom ain't Brock and he's Flash now, I get a "who?"

>>87667215
Flash was his bully pre-spider bite. Peter grew a backbone after that and would push back

>>87667259
In a school sanctioned boxing match

>>87667437
also in the alley

>>87667164
So was OP the normie all along?

>>87668654
What a twist...

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>>Barry was/is a good character

>>87667164

Since the OP started off wrong, I'll start with something correct...

Normies generally think that Superman only ever loved Lois Lane, which is false. Superman also shared a love interest with Lana Lang.

>>87668654
He really isn't. The bullying thing was really amped up in the movies. It wasn't even nearly that bad and Peter stood up for himself.

>>87668783
Lana was his love interest for like 7 seasons on Smallville

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>>87667164
Peter thought he did, but Flash was just the only person that actually gave a shit about Peter.

He boosted himself by putting Peter down sometimes, but Peter brought it on himself for being a huge cunt to everyone else in high school.

>>87668715
That fucker is going to scare the fish away. What a douchebag.

>>87668863
I..was not aware of this, never been much of spider-fan. Could you explain further?

>>87670008
Not that anon, but basically Peter thought everyone else was dumb and he was probably better because he was smart and he cared about school. He's basically Doctor Octopus and he would still be if Uncle Ben and Gwen didn't die, which taught him about responsibility and shit.

>>87667428
Yeah they even boxed once in those Lee/Ditko issues

>>87668783
>Lois Lane
>Lana Lang
>Both names are 8 letters.
>Both being with L's.

What the fuck's going on here?

Flash did bully him, but Peter was kind of an antisocial cunt, not a quiet nerd. So the dynamic is different than most would expect.

>>87670166

...Is there a What If about that scenario?

>>87670374

Lori Lemaris, too, and pre-crisis Lyla Lerrol.

>>87670166
This is complete bullshit

>>87668715
I read the comics and I like literally every version of the Flash, including Barry.

>>87670374
>>87672634
And don't forget Lex Luthor.

>>87672811
>>87672634
>>87670374

oh shit

>>87670374
>>87672811
>>87673607

I think I just figured it out.

L is the latin numeral 50. L... L... so fifty fifty, or fifty twice, or fifty times two.

Fifty... two.

>>87672615
>>87672704

Otto comments on it in Superior Spidey, when he compares his life with Peter's memories

>>87670374
names with a gimmick are easier to remember

>The Joker killed Batman's parents

>>87674068
Who ever thought that? All 3 movies that show Bats's past show a random thief killing them, and I think Gotham does it as well.

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>>87673694

>>87667164
>hawkeye is useless.

>batman knows 127 martial arts

>>87674105
Batman literally says it out loud in the Burton movie

>>87667164
>Batman consistently says "I'm Batman"
>John is the only or at least the first Green Lantern
>Black Widow is relevant

And such

>>87674068
nah, most normies know who joe chill is

>>87672704
Not really. Flash Thompson tells Peter this in some story from the seventies or eighties.

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>>87673694
That's more than five tens...

Flash is honestly one of the greatest supporting characters in cape comics. He's fucking great in almost everything, even in the 90s cartoon where he gets to nail Deb Whitman.

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>Jarvis is a computer

>>87674574
To be fair if he wasn't they'd just mix him up with Alfred, and not without good cause.

>>87674574
>Ironman is competent/relevant

There's that one also.

>>87673694
>>87674121
Masaka!

>>87670008
If you read Ditko's Spider-Man and have a decent social life after the age of 22, Flash and Peter are very clear and understandable characters.

Flash is a clown. The jokester, the prankster, the guy who always tries to court attention because he has issues with his own confidence. He has an active social life but he doesn't really have any close friends.

Peter's stuck in his own little world. Before the spider it was because he was a bookworm with a rough childhood, but afterwards it's mostly because of his superheroics. He's also a huge cunt who has problems empathizing with other people, though, and constantly thinks about how the other kids are assholes to him when they're just being kids or doesn't understand why a girl would be upset about being stood up for a date.

Flash is CONSTANTLY engaging Peter, half the time to boost his own fragile ego and the other half because he actually wants the guy to be a pal. He consistently shows signs a growing friendship with him over their high school days despite Peter constantly brushing him aside and generally being a dick and they actually share a subtle, mutual confidence with each other.

It may not have been intentional on Stan's part (and DEFINITELY not on Ditko's part), but Flash and Peter's relationship is very much the "wait, you didn't hate me?" experience that a lot of kids have once they grow up.

Later stories by other writers more heavily push the bully aspect, but under Ditko and Stan Flash was just a stubborn, hotblooded kid who teased and palled around with Peter.

>>87672704
Granted it's been a few years since I read Lee and Ditko's Spidey, but that is what I remember. Maybe you're complete bullshit?

Betty and Veronica hate each other and fight over Archie. This was canon at one point but hasn't appeared in the main comics since... The 60s probably. They're best friends who like the same guy. The Afterlife with Archie and Riverdale guys brought it back because they apparently hate Ronnie. The reboot also uses iirc but that's because it starts with an origin story.

>>87674776
In the first year of Ditko's run, Peter:

>Wanted to rob banks but only stopped because he was scared of what would happen to Aunt May if he got caught.
>Momentarily took delight in the idea of Flash being murdered.
>Stood Liz Allen up on a date, came back an hour later and went "HEY ACTUALLY MY SCHEDULE FREED UP" and was baffled when she didn't like being treated like her world should revolve around him.
>Got Betty Brant's brother fucking shot and then COMPLAINED at him for getting in his way as he bled out and died.

Dude was a cunt.

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Dr. Strange never bargained with Dommaru.

>>87674771
>>87674776
A lot of Flash's antagonism is also bound up in his insecurities about Liz Allen showing a romantic interest in Peter's newfound confidence. Peter goes from a guy he's known since they were kids to some weird aspy bookworm to this angry aggressive flake and then HIS girlfriend likes him. He's constantly making fun of Peter to try and shore up his own flailing social position and his ever fragile confidence. Those feelings of inadequacy when his classmates are graduating and going off to college and also the inspiration of Spider-Man's own heroics which have such a large impression on him are what makes him decide to join the army. A tour or two of Vietnam after that really matures him out and Peter, who's lost Gwen by this point and gone through a lot of shit with Harry, find they have a surprising amount in common. A few years later he's the best man at Peter's marriage to MJ.

>>87674902

yes he did what the fuck

>"[X] character is exactly like they are in the cartoon/movie."

Every time. It's hard to explain to people that guys like Artemis Crock and Wonder Woman are portrayed differently in adaptations. Heck, many people think Beast Boy's YJ origin is his comic origin.

>Dick and Babs were always love interests

No, that didn't happen until the 90s.

>>87670374

Oh man, I just realized that they aren't sisters. I swore her name was "Lana Lane".

>>87674343

Nah, people know Hal. He was in Superfriends, Young Justice, the movie, and GLTAS. He's appeared enough to be mainstream.

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When I was a kid I thought Flash Gordon was a grown up Flash from Spider-Man for some strange reason.

Now Flash Thompson is a saviour of the universe, spooky.

>>87675009
>Agent Venom
>Savior of the Universe
>Fastest man alive

>>87675009
>Those 3D assets
No wonder the book got cancelled.

Everyone and their mum thinks WW's main love interest is Batman thanks to JL and JLU. It's a shame Steve hasn't stuck in the public consciousness like Lois or Selena.

>>87675181
Steve can go fuck off with his planes.

>>87674891
This is actually in-character for Spidey, think about it...
What's his origin story?
Wanted to screw someone over and decided to let a criminal run free, then that same criminal murders Uncle Ben, guilt-ridden by this he decides to atone by taking up a life of crime-fighting.
He's only a superhero because he was a petty asshole to people and it came back to bite him in the ass.

Also, this whole "Spiderman's moral virtue is beyond reproach" is just another normie myth.

>>87675181
I've never heard anyone say that in real life.

>>87675181
Nah, everyone thinks it's Superman.

>>87674546
Hindsight is 20/20, but it's weird that they even created Eddie when Flash was perfect to inherit the symbiote as a misled antihero to begin with. Pretty much everything good about Eddie-Venom would have been better if it was Flash coping with the similar but conflicted feelings shared by himself and the symbiote.

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>>87675204
He really was pretty close to being a supervillain.

But the "Spider-Man's moral virtue is beyond reproach" thing is kind of accurate now, right? He's changed a lot.

>>87675204
I never said otherwise, doofus.

But by the 80's Peter had actually matured to the point that he was a legitimately good person. A bit socially retarded, but a man of very strong moral fiber.

And then the 90's happened and he punched his pregnant wife.

>>87675364
Pretty much.

>>87675364
See
>>87675372

By the mid-late 80's Spidey was a pretty solid face. He had human flaws, but he was a morally strong man. The death of his robo-parents and the Clone Saga really fucked up his character, but JMS's run tried to kind of come back around to the late 80's characterization. Then OMD happened and he's been early college Peter with 80's Peter's witicisms running around in a 30 year old body ever since.

>>87675364
>Peter Parker was one radioactive spider bite away from shooting up a school

classic white people.

Peter Parker started changing from an anti-social, introverteted asshole when Ditko left, even. You can tell just how much Ditko scripted the early run by how fucking different the comic becomes when Stan takes over fully and Romita just draws

>>87675467
Peter was still introverted and kind of an asshole for quite a few years. He just wasn't a huge cunt after The Final Chapter.

>>87675364
If he really had his morality head on straight would he begin every Civil War on the wrong side of basic ethical principle?
Would he constantly be screwing up his personal life with his bullshit?
No.
>>87675372
Doofus?
First of all, I'm not that anon you're trying to pick a fight with.
Second, I WAS FUCKING AGREEING WITH YOU, so yeah, way to pick your battles.
And given this turn of events, what makes YOU such a good judge of moral behavior???

>>87675555
>Civil War
Everyone becomes retarded during events

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>>87675555
>First of all, I'm not that anon you're trying to pick a fight with.
>Second, I WAS FUCKING AGREEING WITH YOU, so yeah, way to pick your battles.
...?

Anon, are you like autistic or something? I was saying that, yeah, it's totally in character for him to be a douche. I just added that by the 80's he was a different character. Don't know why you're taking it like an insult.

>>87675649
You called him a doofus, anon...

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>>87675582

The exception to that rule: Hulk.

>>87674850
most comic fans don't even know that

>>87675847
He's not in most of them

>>87674343
>John is the only or at least the first Green Lantern
No there a lot of people that thought Green Lantern was always a black guy

>deadpool is funny

>>87675264

Everyone online seems to think WW is in love with Batman. If they're super casual they might say Superman though.

>>87668654
No surprise there

>>87676406
it's great

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>>87667164
You played yourself...

You're the normie...

>>87674902
Why does he always have that grin

Normies don't even know who Flash Thompson ks

>>87674068
"Ever dance with the devil in the pale moon light?"

The Batman movie who brought back the movie franchise after the 60/70s, shows Joker as the killer of Bruce Wayne's parents. This movie taught the normals that. Later movies did away with this, but there is no telling what normies of this generation think cause I'm an old neckbeard and never deal with them if I can help it.

>>87668715
>muh childhood is better than yours

>>87674734

...When did you start reading comics?

He used to be a goddamn powerhouse. He shared the top title with Thor and the Hulk, and he was the only one a street level guy might run into. He was scary. He was masculine. He was competent.

Re-reading the old comics - which I am doing - makes reading the modern ones an even worse torture.

>>87674121

It never stops.

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>>87673694
my god

the hypercrisis

>>87673694
I want off of morrison's wild ride

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>>87673607
It's not really a new shocking twist

>>87682178
Does that mean his relationship with Batman is doomed to fail?

>>87672615
House of M: SpiderMan

>>87674996
>I swore her name was "Lana Lane".
Maybe you're thinking of Lucy Lane?

>>87675009
He'll save every one of us

>>87675649

Thugboy?

>>87667164
Oh I get it.
Normies think:
>Batman is Bruce Wayne
>Captain America has a shield
>Iron Man has a suit
>The Flash is fast
>Green Lantern has a ring
>Green Arrow shoots arrows

>>87667315
>Since whenever I tell people ol Venom ain't Brock and he's Flash now, I get a "who?"

"Flash, like from the TV show? Cool!"

>>87667164
don't swallow the bait

>>87668654
According to the thread, he's even worse since even normies have more knowledge than he does.

>>87667248
Only if he's caught.

Bullies know how to game the system, how to only hit when the teacher isn't looking, how to play the victim when they get hit back.

>>87674068
>>87674105
>>87674167
It's crazy because there was a time when this was true. Many normies only knew Batman from the Burton movie. That must have been a frustrating time for a Batman fan.

>>87684131
I don't see why that would be with the movie's wild success. And if you came across someone who thought Joker killed Batman's parents you just simply correct them and go on your way.

Now after Batman & Robin yeah, that would be a bad time for Batman fans...

>>87684165
>And if you came across someone who thought Joker killed Batman's parents you just simply correct them and go on your way.
It wouldn't be a BAD time, just frustrating because you would constantly have to correct people on that point. Even worse if they claim it was correct.

>>87683653
But OP is right, Flash was only a bully in Peter's mind. He was just a jerky friend who got sore about Peter being a normie who hates Spider-Man and stealing his girl.

>>87668715
This is SO true. I've been a Wally reader all my life but I'm in a old-school comics fans group in facebook (pre-crisis fans who believe that COIE was a mistake) and they constantly talk shit about barry. He was never good, childhood or not.

>>87681360
He said "Is" not "was". No matter how popular his movies are Iron Man has never been a good seller since Extremis and his constants fuck-ups in universe ruined him as a character.

>>87684277
Sure Pete could be a jerk, but Flash wasn't always a friend.

Look at the first post. He's shoving Peter's head so hard that his glasses fall off

>>87684576
He pushed him because Pete literally just sneered at the others. I'm pretty sure it was in response to Pete being offered to hang out with them, but that might have been a different issue.

Flash was a stubborn, impulsive kid, but he was hardly a bully. The worst he ever did unprovoked was occasionally call Pete "puny" to try and rile him up.

>>87684576
This.

Peter having some bark to him doesn't negate how Flash treated him early on. Things got better, but Flash definitely picked on him even if it wasn't as played up as it is in some adaptations.

>>87684610
Except, funnily enough, his actions are both better and worse because of Liz and circumstance. He's mean to Peter partially because Liz likes him, but there were also several instances of her telling him not to go after him. There's an issue where he thinks Liz and Peter went out on a date and he fully intends to beat Peter up. His fanboyism of Spider-Man distracts him, however.

Superman has always been a farmboy from Kansas and has nothing to do with Kryptonian culture.

>>87675467
It was better after Ditko left t b h.

>>87685069
No, it wasn't.

>>87685069
It really wasn't.

>>87685069
Romita Sr pre-Conway was mostly filler, let's be real.

>>87678347
why wouldn't he

being Dormammu is probably great, what happens to him that he would ever frown or be bored

>>87679126
he's been in like 2 movies

>>87684449
Iron man was never a top seller. Ever.
They have shot every kind of spaghetti at every wall they could think of and he sells at best healthy.

>>87684610
You are explicitly wrong. Not only does narration call him a bully, but later flash apologizes for being a bully.

Attacking people that make faces at you is bullying behavior. Attacking people that can't fight back is bullying behavior.

Pete was a creepy little dick, but Flash was still a bully.

Just because you're a weird autistic spaz doesn't mean that you're right about Flash or "Normies"

>>87667164
Flash was an asshole to Peter all the way up through Gwens death. If I remember right, some of the shit he tried to pull with MJ was about a half step away from sexual assault.

>>87690536
>Disagreeing with Steve "There is only good and evil, pick your side" Ditko on what counts as bullying makes you an autistic spaz.
Anon...