So was this any good?

What's her feminist agenda?

>>87635904
It got cancelled didn't it? So probably...

Yeah, even with some bumpy spots it's overall a fun ride and a nice spy story.

>>87635904
The resulting shitstorm was far more entertaining than the comic itself, which was merely shit.

>>87635904
Last issue ends with Hawkeye and her current new bf fighting over who gets to rub her feet.

>>87635904
not particularly

>>87635921
Whining.

Two good issues. Two storytime of pain issues. The rest, bleh or less.

Better than I expected.

It's only 7 issues. Just read the damm thing and decide for yourself OP.

Actually aside from the tampon issue and the last one it was pretty okay.

>>87635904
forgettable and preachy C list hero book

>>87635921
Murdering a man to cover up infidelity.

>>87635904
No

There was some really nice art and good attempts at interesting, different storytelling ways, so there was potential. However the obnoxious writing killed it.

Mockingbird was written to be a completely obnoxious, slightly sociopathic bitch who the writer however clearly wanted to show as awesome and in the right and always the smartest person in the room. Men in general were written like hot but dumb beefcake who either die or need rescuing or are so incredibly dumb they can't tell reality apart from fiction. The last part specifically being comics fans and cosplayers, i.e. the people still willing to read and pay for comics. They also retconned her from being a rape victim who got back at her attacker and continued with her life into a psycho who cheated on her husband and then murdered her lover in cold blood for no real reason and lied that she was raped to cover it up.

It started okay but descended into being total shit by 6th or so issue, whenever they had that fiasco of a rescue and the girls in the rainbow bubble.

>>87635904
The first two issues are 5.5/10. Everything else was shit.

>>87635904

The 'heroine' was completely obnoxious. Like, insanely so.

>>87636139
That's not feminism, that's damned smart surplus population control.

>>87636204
>>It started okay but descended into being total shit by 6th or so issue, whenever they had that fiasco of a rescue and the girls in the rainbow bubble.
Wasn't that the third or fourth issue?

>>87636451
Third issue was bubble girl.

Sixth issue was cruise ship where she just drew dudes on the cruise, and didn't actually do anything interesting, which lead right into the whole hawkeye trainwreck.

>>87635904
Take a moment to look at what is on her shirt.

Now take a moment and look at what website you posited this question on.

It went as well as you would expect.

>>87636634
>bubble girl
The moment she killed that reporter was the moment I would have ordered a bullet through her head. The kid was a killer who consciously murdered several people.

>>87636451
Yeah apparently it was the 3rd issue. The bubble girl, in any case. That was handled abysmally

Good at pissing off men.

>>87636634
>>87636774
Right, so things went to shit almost right off the bat.

Nah, it was awful, badly-written and painfully unfunny.
If I see another corgi "joke" in a comic, I might go on a chair-throwing rampage.

>>87636732

Reminder that the girls she bubbled were hostages from the perspective of the police, if the police had shot they'd be street pizza

>>87638925
Mockingbird caught them all easily enough including bubble murderer. Assuming I had her flight pack or Mockingbird on standby, they would have all been caught before they hit the ground.

>>87635904
If you only read the first two issues and then make up the rest of the story in your mind then yeah it's fantastic!

Issue 3 and the final issue were probably the worst issues of any comic book written in the past 5 years under a major publisher.

I can't see anyone buying this comic and thinking "wow I'd like to see more of this!" Even womyn hated it despite the circle jerk reviews and refused to buy it.

Actually yeah. Apart from the stupid mystery box or whatever issues it was nice (issue #3 was the best by far) and Bobby herself is a pretty great character, admirable and pettyable in equal measure.

In fact I don't think I remember another character like that.

>>87636204
People make posts like this on /co/, and then wonder why feminists are mad at comics. You really have to admire the self-awareness cape-readers have.

I mean, not that it matters anymore, or that it will for the next couple of years, but if Chelsea Cain ever writes another comic, I sincerely hope it won't be for either Marvel or DC.

Having to discuss her work with the kind of people who read superhero comics in 2016 is not a particularly enlightening experience.

REE PUT JOELLE JONES ON SOMETHING HIGH PROFILE AND GOOD INSTEAD OF SHITTY MEME COVERS PLEASE!!!

FUCK THE LETTERER THOUGH, THAT FUCKING TEXT DOESN'T MATCH THE CREASES OF THE SHIRT! Is it true Marvel "doesn't have editors"?

But really, it's possible to support female creatives and not enjoy other ones. Hell, my favorite colorist is a lady, and I actually buy stuff with her name on it. Nicola Scott shits all over the majority of D.C.'s house stylers.

>>87638690

Th-that seems out of character.

It was mediocre. The feminist agenda was what made it terrible.

>>87636204
>Men in general were written like hot but dumb beefcake who either die or need rescuing or are so incredibly dumb they can't tell reality apart from fiction.

This was pretty hot though, and somewhat funny.

>>87636634
>>87639239
Bubble Girl was the worst fucking issue in the entire series, which is saying something. An entire issue of "Girls in middle school sure have strong feelings and this is everyone elses fault." Please fucking kill me.

>>87638690
#I'mWithHer

>>87639291
>>87639239
Poor bait.
You can do better than that.

>>87636136
this

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>>87635904
>feminist agenda

you mean losing to trump?

>>87639617
>An entire issue of "Girls in middle school sure have strong feelings and this is everyone elses fault."
...Why exactly does that bother you so much?

No, seriously, what is there to get upset about that?

>>87639646
I guess we have the debate over the intelligence level of people who hate this comic settled then.

>>87639764
Because she murdered like four fucking people

>>87639291
People make informed and insightful posts about why they didn't like something and that makes feminists mad?

>>87639791
This is some squirrelfag-tier baiting. I know trolling is a lost art and yadda yadda yadda, but I have no idea how you can type shit like this and think you're anything but boring. Have a last pity reply.
Also, predicting your next reply will be
>N-NO U

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>>87636204
Don't forget the epic use of tampons and corgies!!!

>>87639764
the true question is, how come you can´t grasp why anyone would find that issue totally stupid?

>>87635904
nope

>>87636799
Well, it's only seven issues. Half are garbage. That's not a lot of space for non garbage.

>>87636204
>Men in general were written like hot but dumb beefcake who either die or need rescuing or are so incredibly dumb they can't tell reality apart from fiction

Isn't that how female characters have been written for ages?

>>87640041
No

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>>87640041
>hot but dumb beefcake
>beefcake
No.
Except Wolverine
He's a girl because he wears tights lol

>>87640296
Why's she wrapping liquorice around her finger?
Pretty impressive to do that with only one hand though.

>>87640041
Are you saying shitty writing is ok if the genders of the characters are reversed?

>>87640346
I'm saying anon's awful whiny over one instance of that kind of trope being applied to men and seems to be missing the point.

>>87640296
Someone draw superman in a trump hat

>>87640357
So you are saying it's ok in this particular case because the genders are reversed

>>87640374
Soemthingsomething Girl Power Pass.

>>87636022
Just like those Rust Belt voters!

>>87640374
I'm saying it's probably intentionally making a point, like a "the shoe is on the other foot, this is why women complain about how female characters are written" kind of deal. I haven't read this shit though so I dunno.

What's with all the shitty trolls pretending to be feminists ITT?
>inb4 HURR NOT ALL OPINIONS ARE TROLLING
If opinions are that retarded, they're either trolling or purest "no breeding allowed" form of retardation and since I'm an optimist, I assume it's the former so sorry if I choose the wrong option.

>>87635904
No. Not memorable in the least.

>>87640585
I'm failing to see how that would invalidate the original complaint.
Also, having fucking read the thing in question I can safely say that is not the way it tries to play itself off

>>87635921
Tampons, murdering dudes and merdogs.

>>87641177
Not all dogs, just "cute" ones like corgis.
Where's my representation, Marvel? You think a Belgian Malinois can't carry a book, is that it?

>>87639812
Yes.

>>87640585
And this is why "feminist" writers are shit. They have a chip on their shoulder, a score to settle, and think they're doing everyone a service by writing shit.

>>87639724

Superdelegates would have been a problem if Hillary didn't win the popular vote against Bernie. Delegates would have flipped to Bernie in large numbers. Berniefags had nothing to whine about regarding how the votes were tallied.

It's a forgettable seven issues sandwiched between two major moments that would piss off comic fans for how stupid they are.

It's not heinous, it's not great, it's just something to be ignored.

>>87640585
But that's fucking stupid.
Imagine a book trying to get back at the jingoism of Golden Age comics by portraying all Americans, regardless of sex or ethnicity, as horrible stereotypes and evil Satanists who must be purged.

What the fuck does that accomplish? It's not entertaining, it's stupidly vindictive, and it isn't really saying anything.

I didnt mind it that much

I actually like an even more morally compromised Bobbi; what i didnt like was how little happens in the last 3-4 issues; which felt mostly like filler until the big reveal.

>>87645906
I actually kind of like the book, reading it as a "Bobbi is an ends>>>means sort of character and a narrative bullshit artist" book and less as FEMINIST ROLE MODEL stuff.

>>87640041
In some cases yes but when it happens as transparently and hacky as it was in Mockingbird people hate it and shit talk it as much as they did when it was male characters. Bad writing is bad writing, some men write women badly and some women write men badly. Some people do both badly at the same time

>>87645906

>I actually like an even more morally compromised Bobbi

yeah i don't know where people got this perfect princess view of her.

>>87646675

In Mockingbird it was very intentional to demonstrate how it feels when the gender role is switched as >>87640041
says

>>87635904
Some issues were really quite good, some issues were weak and preachy, and towards the end it was sort of just for the author and full of her friends in cameos that were OK.

>>87646742
and it was done very poorly and very hack. The asshole reporters name is Dick Profit, really?

>>87646941

lol

>>87640041
Not really. You've just been duped by Cracked articles.

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>>87635904
no it wasn't, it promoted the harassment of women in the video game community

>>87636007
>rub her feet

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

>>87648411

footfags assume everyone is a footfag

>>87649094
Is it really a foot fetish when you're the woman and you just like foot rubs?

>>87638690
unff

>>87640041
Not really. That's the problem with it, it was so painfully obviously trying to flip the table or reverse the roles or whatever, but the problem is that women were never depicted quite that brain-dead as a sex, and especially not in a contemporary society.

It'd be different, too, if there were only one or two idiot males, but it's practically all of them, including the sidekick. It's way too preachy and in-your-face trying to disguise as being witty and progressive. Shit writing.


But in a way your comment exemplifies the attitude in Mockingbird that made it shit; it didn't aim to be good, it aimed to be progressive and reverse the roles first and foremost, and got so preoccupied in being kick-ass pro feminism it forgot that it's also supposed to be amusing, entertaining and good. It got smugly preachy.

>>87635904
wow nice

>>87640041
>Isn't that how female characters have been written for ages?

No. You've fallen for the "all female characters were written like shit in the past" meme Marvel forces in order to make their current shit sound more "progressive".

There were high profile books with better written women 30 years ago

>>87638690
I'm Hawkeye and I approve this message

>>87636204

>They also retconned her from being a rape victim who got back at her attacker and continued with her life into a psycho who cheated on her husband and then murdered her lover in cold blood for no real reason and lied that she was raped to cover it up.

It's ironic how these feminist writers actually write very real women, but try to use fiction to paint typical female bullshit in a better light, but it naturally makes it way through and shows the never-ending, cliche'd problems women actually have -- lying, cheating, being emotionally unstable etc.

A backwards admission of guilt.

>>87639549
>fucks a man and then murders him
no, it is completely in character, but it's missing the murder next panel

>>87662116

>A backwards admission of guilt.

pretty sure she says she told Hawkeye and he couldn't deal so they divorced.

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>>87640296
YOU LEAVE MY WAIFU OUT OF THIS

>>87662159

That's not what I meant by that statement though. I'm talking about how feminists champion female superiority but they write females in a way that shows off all the worst qualities of females and justifies the feelings of misogyny towards them.

Like if I said all women are lying, cheating, manipulative whores who can't take responsibilty for their actions, I'll get called a sexist, misogynist that doesn't know anything at all about women.

But the same woman will write a female protagonist who is literally a lying, cheating, manipulative whore who doesn't take responsibility for her actions. It's just ironic and telling.

I call it "a backwards admission of guilt" because their words won't admit guilt but their actions inadvertently do it.

>>87662159
No, she actually said Hawkeye couldn't believe she wouldn't do something of her own free will. That a strong woman like her couldn't be drugged or tricked into doing something she didn't want to

>>87641193
It's not even cute dogs, it's meme dogs. Where's my book starring a Beagle or a Cocker Spaniel?

>>87635921
Tetas

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>>87639291
>and then wonder why feminists are mad at comics

I don't wonder that. I know why feminists are mad at comics. I know why feminists are mad at everything. They're fat, entitled, privileged cunts who crave attention and meaning in their empty, empty lives.

>>87655516
To be fair, everything was written better 30 years ago. That's because the industry wasn't oriented to catering to 13 year olds yet.

>>87635904
I SO hope the entire series was seen trhough Bobbi's psychotic, alcoholic perspective.
If not the comic industry is gravely ill.

>>87638690
Damn that's well drawn.

>>87640296
You can't have feminist WW without one of her pants versions.

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>>87662238
your greek WAIFU is shit

>>87662159

It still doesn't make sense, given that she told Rawhide Kid and Two-Gun Kid (the ones who snapped her out of the brainwashing after she helped Phantom Rider attack them) pretty much the same thing before running off to confront Lincoln.

>>87638690
probably the best thing we got out of this comic

>>87645982
I think this was somehow what the author was aiming for.... but I also think she did fail horribly at portraying it

>>87664657
yeah, I suspect every other author will write this out as Bobbi's delusions because lingering effects of the first story-arc.

Like most things, it was better than people on here would have you believe, though still not great.

>>87671197
Fuck no, it wasn't.

>>87635966
Yes?
Because scarlet spider was the shit.

>>87636022
>post screenshot on 4chan
>anon posts on tumblr
>anon finds it on tumblr and posts on 4chan
>I find the screenshot
This guy has come full circle!
Kinda reminds me of the letters /co/ sent to blade.

>>87671440
>b-b-but if I admit I liked it, the f-f-f-feminists win!

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Friendly reminder of the results of all the MRA whining over that cover.

>>87657718
Bullseye >>>>> Shiteye

>>87640296
>people got pissed that she was nominated an UN embassador of good will.

>>87635904

Some of it was okay.

A lot of it seemed to attempt to 'switch' the roles traditionally held by men and women in superhero comics, circa the 1950s. Quite a bit of sexualization of men. If she had toned that down it would have worked better for me, which, I assume, is precisely what was intended.

It's okay adventure which also tries to palm off nonsense as real-life science (as opposed to comic book science).

>>87639291

Funny, although I didn't feel it so keenly as anon, I did find myself agreeing with him in some ways. Your response, on the other hand, is cookie cutter material to such an extent I have to wonder if you're false flagging. Congrats. You Poe'd yourself.

>>87639764

Handwaving murder in a superhero book gets us antsy.

>>87640041

No. Not for quite a while. Late sixties, maybe.

>>87640296

So is this intentional satire? Wonder Woman is a really shitty model for a feminist icon. "Fighting Back" against the patriarchy is no big deal when you are healthy, beautiful, well-educated, want for nothing and, oh yeah, can shot-put a tank and are functionally invulnerable.

Not to mention at least part of what went into her creation was fetish fantasy.

I am all for fetish fantasies, but let's keep them separate from serious stuff.

>>87641343

...I would feel bad about myself if I didn't bring up 'Punisher'.

>>87650385

Even apart from the fetish, it's a symbol of submission and humiliation. I mean, you can't argue with Jesus.

>>87664126

See, now, that will only muddle the discussion.