How did South Park become so unfunny?

That's not very gentlemanly of you Bill.

>>87619742
They lost touch with the fedora crowd, and they can't touch their own faults. All that is left is some inverse PC joke -culture.

>>87619742
I pretty sure trump being elected fucked up there plans on their season. They probably didn't expect it and didn't put a whole lot of effort on the B episode.

>>87619742
They were caught completely off guard and had to scrape something together from their echo chamber that told them there was no way the Hilary winning episode they made instead would not be the one they used.

Basically they're just very out of touch.

>>87619869
But would the Gentleman Club thing have been funny if Hilary won?

They're the new Simpsons.

>>87619742
OH, boy...I can't wait to get SJW'd from the right, and the left.

>>87619904
I guess the truth.....is somewhere in the middle

It was alright.

>we've learned that a woman can be anything. Except president.

>>87619816
that's what happens when you kick everyone out that thinks differently and create an echo chamber of your own beliefs
people who boast about being diverse have some pretty bad group think retardation

Maybe you're just an unfunny douche OP?
I laughed prrtty heartily at all of Bill and Bill's scenes. Shit was hilarious.
I bet your sophisticated humor only self didn't even laugh at the rick roll or picle pressin

>>87619922
this year we have learned many things
women can make shitty comedies in a vain attempt to get back at the patriarchy and fucking flop hard enough to nearly make sony go belly up
we also found out that women can lose in presidential campaigns too

isn't it a great day for progress

>>87619742
By spreading a single episode's worth of jokes over 7 (or more) episodes. Not to mention their intensely, distractingly blatant bias.

>>87619742
A couple Bill and Bill scenes were kind of funny, but that was mostly just from the introduction after that it became dull. And that scene with Bill trying to drum up his shitty failure of a wife Turd Sandwhich as this grand super genius schemer was retarded. You cant try to pull that off when in the same episode she was meeting under a bridge with someone whining about how the election was "stolen" from her.

I'm guessing they planned to go with something along those lines from the start but now have to try it out anyway. Problem is the effect is completely lost now.

>>87619742
>become
>implying it was ever funny in the first place

>>87619869
>>87619939
>SOUTH PARK INSULTED TRUMP
>THEY ARE SJW KEK NUMALES
Too obvious m8
South Park is anything but an echo chamber. They are pretty varied in who they make fun of and they always have been.
And they're no more out of touch than every major news outlet in America.

>>87619922
There are more people who voted for her simply because she was a woman than people who voted against her simply because she was a woman.

>>87619984
they are on comedy central the whole reason people keep saying how trump is anti LGBTQRSTUV when he has absolutely no record of saying anything related to that

>>87619984
Please be more mad. I want to see if it's possible.

And they were definitely digging more into Trump than Hilary this season. Not even a fucking Trump supporter but you wouldnt need to be one to see that.

What'd they say about her? That she's a Turd Sandwhich? Or reads off a Prompter too much? Oh damn that's definitely comparable to all the shit they said about Trump. If you watched the season 19 commentary you'd know that they didnt like Trump and in fact did not want him to win.

>>87619991
I voted for her because I wanted off the meme train. I guess I'll have to wait 4 more years.

>>87619920
>moderates have always been the most hated people by every group in history on all sides of any conflict

the one thing virtually everyone can agree on is that moderates are fucking cancer. kill yourself, you spineless faggot.

>>87620009
>My standards are, they need to make fun of Hilary more, or equal to my canidate.

>YOU'RE THE ONE WHO's MAD!

>>87619984
Nobody's talking about Trump.

The "jokes" were just bad. Other than the Bill Clinton dance number, what was there? It was nothing but celebrities doing things celebrities shouldn', strung together by a half assed plot. This was zombie Simpson's levels of unfunny, and the rest of the season has been just as bad.

Go back to things like Rainforest Shmainforest or Child Abduction Is Not Funny. They had plots and still focused on being funny. These giant season long attempts at topical story arcs are just fucking tedious.

The show just needs to die at this point.

>>87619984
>And they're no more out of touch than every major news outlet in America.
So ridiculously out of touch? Cool, kay thanks.

>>87620017
Moderates are only cancer when they can't back up their beliefs, which happens to be a large portion of them. The worst ones are the guys who try signalling how smart and educated they are about politics by saying "both suck we're screwed who cares." There are moderates who aren't cancer though.

>>87619742
the season went to shit with this episode. only laughted at Gerald dropping the truth bomb at kyle.

>>87620035
Well, i'm not using greentext strawmen, so yeah.

>>87619984
not true.

I just think they didn't expected trump to win. thats why the episode went to shit.

is it another

>they made fun of me so it's not funny

episode

>>87620017
Godamn it, no one wants to be in your war. /pol/ or tumblr.

>>87620043
Season 18 and 19 were way better than this one though. The problem is they stopped trying to be funny and tried to make a completely continuous plot. Only they're pulling it off shoddily and it reads more like one super long episode, complete with the same jokes.

>>87620006
Right? The only thing the LGBT community would even have to fear Trump would be if he keeled over or ironically impeached and Pence became the president. He's made it very clear he gives no shits about stepping in the way gay marriage or transgender rights.

>>87620072
I think it's more like

>They put all their eggs in one basket and tripped now have to make a whole new one in less than a day

I hate memberberries so much

Its such a stupid plotdevice and such a fucking forced meme. And I hate the fucking Nostalgiatrip Cinema is on right now too, yes. But fuck, now if you just say "Well, I liked Southpark better when they did maximum three episodes with connected plot and otherwise had one off episodes" on any Southparkdiscussionplace you get "HURR I MEMBER I MBER HURR"


Fuck the Turd Sandvich and giant Douche Episode parodied this election way better, and did it in one episode, not a whole fucking season with only 5 jokes stretched over the entire season and repeated ad nauseum.

>>87620006
>>87620096
I've heard claims that he'll try and repel some same sex laws but saw no link or video. No one tried to disprove the claim either though.

Either way i've seen more visible examples of his pro-gay stance so until then he's still the one you want to support over Pence.

>>87620016

Meme train: Has no brakes motherfucke-

...

> The meme train derailed

> Anon perished in the ensuing crash

>>87620131
I member too.

>>87620131
Member when Southpark was good?

>>87620131
Season 19 pulled it off so much better. There were overarching plot lines but each episode tackled a very different subject matter that still tied into the overall plot. Each one was good or great and packed with great jokes.

'member a time before this election?

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>>87620072
Who did they make fun of this season? The Danish?

They don't even have fucking jokes!

>>87619742
It's just another zombie comedy show like the Simpsons and Family Guy (supposedly at its end) that ran out of ideas but still loves milking money.

But I can't say there is any promising replacements besides the occasional Adult Swim thing.

>Don't have the will to actually pit Trump against Hillary, instead tossing in a proxy character and a one-off Canadian Caricature.
>All but declare their show as seperate from reality, then put a half dozen consecutive episodes reliant on real world events.
>The introduction of PCP, a hyper competant (by SP standards) adult who is also a permanent town resident, something that would be shark hopping if it was done in earlier seasons.
>Undercut a "Butters tells off Cartman" scene by not having Cartman be actively antagonistic in over a dozen episodes.
>Literally dehumanize Garrison!Trump and his supporters via an overstretched, forced meme in order to serve a season long arc that would have been 2-3 episodes in season <16.
I'd say I didn't care, but I spent 5 mins writing this...

>>87619984
No, they got comfortable.
They've been big for so long that they didn't think they could fuck up.

In all honesty, I'd have loved to see their reaction because of how humbling it'd be.

For the first time ever, they've misread the political climate so bad that it bit them.

Hopefully, this means the episodes will get better next season.

>>87619794
Family Guy is the fedora show though.

'member when OP wasn't such a fag?

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>>87620399
>OP
>Not being a Fag.
>On 4chan

>>87620017
Since fucking when? The extremes of either side are always more hated, you fucknut. Go back to /pol/ or tumblr, i can't tell which you are anymore cause you guys are 2 sides of the same coin.

>>87619742
they gambled several episodes on the election and now it's just a hot mess because they predicted everything wrong.

I don't think that South Park is losing it's way, but I agree that this episode sort of meandered around the issue. Compare with the post-election episode in 2008, which spoke about it's election front and center.

Of course, also absent from that episode was its inclusion in a season-long story arc, so this episode seemed more concerned with continuing the trolling storyline than with the actual election. Although to be fair, I feel like South Park already more than adequately addressed the issues behind Trump's popularity during the primaries, so it wasn't like they were exactly out of touch.

I agree that this episode is weaker, though, mostly because it devotes itself to pushing plot-arcs forward more than anything else.

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>>87620017
Only an SJW nigger, whether left or right, would be this triggered by moderates.

Eat my shit.

What is this episode like in the Berenstein universe?

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>>87620414

In this timeline we have no use for liberal propaganda.

>>87620334
Garrison is Trump because Garrison killed Trump last season, you fucking goon

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>>87620424
>>87620423

4 fucking seconds.

>>87620006
LGBT aren't worried about Trump. They're worried about Pence. But of course the media isn't covering all his insane shit.

I honestly feel like they want to make another Idiocracy, but don't actually care enough to make a movie. They keep basing every season around half-assed ideas about society so they can push memes (like "Remembering things is dumb!" or "Ads are bad and also SJWs are related somehow?") without having to bother with comedy.

It's just so unfunny now.

>>87620425
Rather certain that was just a proxy.
Wasn't he in season 5?

I hope Garrison stays as president for the entirety of Trump's term(s) while still being a recurring character.

>>87619742
>claims SP is unfunny
>while posting the best joke this season

Bill n' Bill's Gentlemans Club had me rolling

>>87620414
Fucking this. They built everything up about how culture is hitting this extreme about men and women fighting each other, but with Trump winning it shatters everything. Showing that the more things change the more they stay the same. Also it makes the Poland plot worthless because it was building up on Hillary and her emails which is now pointless because she isn't in a position where they care about her anymore.
Also the meber berries would work for a single episode not this drawn out body snatcher shit going on.

all of the plots in the episode seemed great except for the memberberries plot

the bill and bill were hilarious

>>87620439
>LGBT aren't worried about Trump.
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/10/501610933/lgbt-rights-activists-fear-trump-will-undo-protections-created-under-obama

>>87620462
>had me rolling

Did it? Did it really? Can you explain the comedy?

It's just Bill Clinton doing a dance. That isn't a joke. It's not even a gag.

So everyone claiming that they had no idea Trump could possibly win: what was the Hillary story actually going to be? Because the way they set up Jenner in the previous episode makes it seem like they WERE banking on Trump winning

>>87620483
They weren't, Parker said they had to chop up about half the episode and rework it to fit.
I wager body snatchers wasn't plan because the parts with Garrison and Randy felt so forced.

>>87620474
Being scared does not mean you have a legitimate reason for being scared. Trump actually had a lot of LGBT support for a Republican. Trump has been socially liberal for a while now and recently flipped to get the evangelical vote and even then didn't care about gay marriage or transgenders which was risky during the primaries.

I personally think that private businesses or groups should be able to decline service to anyone for any reason though

>>87620483
>what was the Hillary story actually going to be?
We still got most of that, she sent the trolls off to be captured to hide her emails., Bills speech to butters was likely going to be a bit on how now that a woman is in power we are all going to suffer. It just all seems really disjointed and forced now.

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>>87620502
>They were betting on a Hillary victory so much that they had several storylines planned out for it


Jesusdick, they really dropped the ball this season

>>87620476
>That isn't a joke.
it's two celebrity level fame accused rapists giving lectures on being a proper gentleman

>>87620006
here you go, champ
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/nov/03/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-donald-trump-wants-undo-marri/

Kanye 2020

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JJcmCME_jG8

>>87620531
I agree with you but I'm a big believer in all freedom or not at all
That said it's pointless as fuck people would learn ways around the system

>>87620546
Sounds exactly like something straight outta Family Guy

>>87620476
This.
They pulled the "Cosby is creepy" joke about a year too late.
>>87620502
Honestly, the body snatcher scenes might have worked if trump had lost if you changed the dialogue a bit.
A shame though, I was looking forward for a Sixth Sense parody featuring Kenny and his sister, complete with the "I see dead people" line said by one of them.

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Jesus Christ, last season all the sjws got all butthurt but this season it's all the republicans, you obnoxious little shits, they are mocking both of them.
>but they have to make fun of them equally otherwise It's unfair!
No, they don't, that's not how things have ever worked, how fucking young are you little retards, is this the first time you have ever been political? It happens every fucking election season, that the presidents and those running for president are ripe for mockery.
This time is no different.
What the fuck are you thin-skinned faggots even doing on 4chan, go back to Redit and be offended over there, how the fuck do you even get offended on someone's else's behalf?
Now /co/ is full of butthurt tumblr and reddif/pol/ faggots that only come to South Park threads to be offended and complain about the show instead of talking about the episode.
>>87619742
It was obviously a rushed episode and didn't have time to write it properly and therefore just repeated themselves.

>>87620425
That was Canadian Trump. American Trump is still alive and well in the SP universe.

>>87620552
Forcing devout religious people to provide services for weddings they disagree with on theological grounds isn't freedom and in the case of gay marriage it's literally oppression of the majority for the sake of a small minority

Also pro-gay cake bakers would be glad to monopolize the gay marriage industry, since gays get divorced and remarried rapidly apparently

>>87620531
He had at least several occasions declaring support and protection for the LGBT community. Though that might have also coincided with the fear of radical islam, but hey that's still nice.

>>87620578
I love this strawman

>>87619816
It's seemed like an A scenario to me. All the plot lines developed logically (according to the South Park logic, at least).

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>>87620545
It's what happens when you ride on hubris. It's also what happens when you just assume you can beat the competition on groundless reasons.
Really the 2016 elections are the Tortoise and the hair tale.
Moral of the story, never understatement an opponent.

>>87620556
They had a "cosby is creepy" joke back in their 2014 thanksgiving/christmas end of season 3 part special when they had hologram tupac team up with hologram mr. jefferson/michael jackson to take down "the man"

So they've made cosby is creepy jokes multiple times in the past 2 years, only this time they incorporated bill clinton into it

>>87620552
>That said it's pointless as fuck people would learn ways around the system
What do you mean by that?

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>>87620593
Newsweek actually made both versions unlike South Park

>>87620560
>Everyone is being retarded and irrational except me
Fuck off neutral.

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>>87620560
>It was obviously a rushed episode and didn't have time to write it properly and therefore just repeated themselves.
you think we don't know this?
why do you think everyone in this thread is so ornery , you melon

>>87620560
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/holier%E2%80%93than%E2%80%93thou

None of this bothers me except THEY DEFANGED CARTMAN. He like their mascot and he doenst have any more crazy anatics? What the fuck do you watch for now? Its definely isnt the the plot.

>>87620630
Why does he have to be a sociopath at all times? Why can't he just be an asshole?
Sometimes things just get dull over time, anon.

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>>87619939
That's not what happened. Less people wanted Trump to be President than they did Romney. Just even less wanted Hillary. All the black voters and everyone who bothered to show up the last 2 elections didn't.

Stop pretending there was some massive outpour and revolution when Trump lost to the guy who lost last year in terms of votes. Nobody wanted to vote for either of them, voter apathy, laziness and a failure to present a good candidate are the reason it happened.

>>87620630
I hate how Stan is marching on that little celebratory cup they display for the 20th season and he doesnt fucking do anything this whole god damn season besides being a flip flopping faggot whipping his dick out in protest one second and begging Wendy back the next.

The more i look at this season as a whole the shittier and shittier it becomes.

>>87620613
>I know he's right so I'll tell him to fuck off! Go safe space! :^)

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>>87620630
Oh you know they're just setting him up with Heidi just to break them up in the end and make him go rotten again , reverting back to his normal self


It's a textbook FP/Finn scenario, :it's not gonna last forever, and it's gonna be cliched as hell to the very end

>>87620640
Thank you.

>>87620649
swing and a miss

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>>87620630
Did you miss what made him this way?
He suffered a 3rd degree concussion and was in a coma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-ZQED7bLhw

>>87620630
Cartman is literally trying to move to mars with his girlfriend out of getting out of not having his internet history being seen by her. Particularly on the new Ghostbusters movie.

What's weird though is that it could have been that Heidi didn't like the new Ghostbusters either. But, since it seems like she likes that Cartman thinks that all women are funny including herself that this wouldn't be possible.

>>87620649
You're not good at this.

>>87620183
This. I feel people shit on 19 too much because of Season 20s commitment to continuity. 19 started with an episode about Social Justice, then moved on the gentrification, Yaoi shipping, safe spaces and Trump/imigration, each getting their own episode that connected into the overarching theme. I think that's why people felt the finale with "Ads" was so lame, but really, each episode tackled it's own topic and Ads happened to be the last one they capstones it on.

This season has just been about trolling and the election. And Star Wars.

>>87620639
Ever notice that when it's not a Cartman heavy episode, him and Kyle strangely get along?

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>>87619742
I bet this is what Matt and Trey are thinking

I just want it to be about funny little boy adventures again. I liked last season, I liked Tweek x Craig, but this season is just tiresome. Then again I understand the point, they "had to change" because the world changed and in PC world nothing is funny. But now we have Trump and the PC lost so let's go back to little boys.

Yes, I member.

>>87620666
yes but good writers would of brought him back to hisnold ways.

>>87620666
>not posting the whole scene
step up Satan
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3vrfbj

>>87620560
>Jesus Christ, last season all the sjws got all butthurt but this season it's all the republicans, you obnoxious little shits, they are mocking both of them.

Literally no one in this thread is talking about politics, retard, except the people saying everyone who doesn't think it's funny is a Trump supporter. Guess what? Last season was shit too, even though it didn't like SJW's!

People are rolling their eyes at these long ass pointless story lines they keep pulling in lieu of comedy. Which is a big deal on a, you know, comedy show. South Park has been going down hill for a long time ever since they decided to become about whatever news headline crawled up their asses that week instead of being funny (with the added bonus of making sure the episodes are unwatchably dated in a month,) but now they're also saddled with a retarded """""satirical"""" plotline that goes nowhere, doesn't make any kind of actual statement, makes sure every episode is half filler, and that they play dead serious.

Every single scene where they play that same "epic movie soundtrack" song and start having a character explain whatever stupid ass plot we're doing this week just makes me want to turn the thing off.

South Park is nothing but an assembly line product now, getting farted out in under a week to be forgotten in the same amount of time. They were so proud of being able to make these things fast that they didn't stop and wonder if they should. They need to start splitting seasons or taking a couple weeks to make them or something, because what they're doing just isn't working. It's bad.

>>87620682
They weren't invested in either and don't really care that he won beyond the impact on the show. Just like they announced the name of the episode "Obama Wins!" 4 years ago days in advanced, they were running off of polling - and if they got it wrong they were going to do it anyway because fuck it, it's one episode.

But this time they put the popular prediction into an overarching plot and that's where they got screwed.

>>87620689
He's been like this what? 9 episodes? Trust me, by next year you'll have your asshole back, retard.

>>87620692
Hey fuck you 19 was great except for the ending.

>>87620009
Trump is easily more funny. His mannerisms, his base, and his stances are ripe for comedy.

You can make a few pretty good email jokes, but the entire point of the season so far was that Trump is a terrible candidate, but he'd still get more attention than Clinton, who is characterized as a literal piece of shit.

>>87620692
Your president won, stop crying that South Park thinks he's still an idiot little trumptard.

>>87620704
The ending in a vacuum is fine too, it just tried to tie it all together and be an "ending". Every episode tackled something differently in 19, the second to last just tackled ads and then the last episode had to pull it all together.

>>87620696
>it's one episode.
They have admitted this has fuck the rest of the season up.

>>87620696
>They weren't invested in either and don't really care that he won beyond the impact on the show
Except Matt and Trey said they dont like or support Trump. That's why he's not in the show. They didnt want to give him the screen time or the attention so went with Mr. Garrison.

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>>87620609
Lol but CNN didn't prepare for a Trump win, they had to cobble together a "Trump wins" graphic at the last second and in their broadcast there was a brief "Trump concedes" graphic that was quickly replaced after a second or two

>>87620607
Homosex... homosex finds a way

>>87620545
>literally all the major news networks were wrong
>Nate Silver went totally bald, and was wrong

Only Alex Jones and Michael Moore were right, and Michael Moore didn't even want to be right

They got old. They have became tunnel visioned and everything they hated back when they were 20. Isn't that normal?

Whatever the outcome is it can't be as bad as the PewdiePie episodes.

>>87620725
Can someone please remove this shitflinging ape

>>87620640
Not that guy, but it was largely due to the media poisoning the well for both candidates. 24 hours a day it was story after story about fucking emails or something Trump said taken out of context.

The guy you're replying to is right though, almost everyone thought he would lose because they listened to the MSM and their experts or polls, he never said it was some giant new age revolution.

>>87620725
What are you aiming to accomplish?

>>87620550
Why don't you post snopes too, fucktard?

>liberals think posting a site which is horribly biased towards liberal viewpoints makes them right

Man maybe I'll just dig up a few Breitbart and Daily Stormer articles to show you what-for!

>>87620706
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>87620728
>Only Alex Jones and Michael Moore were right
I'd love to hear what they have to say now

>>87620729
I can't believe they shilled PewDiePie instead of making fun of him.

>>87620578
It's not just weddings, it's medical and legal services, and it's not just gays that need these services.

>>87620742
What did he mean by this?

>>87620591
I have no idea how that's a strawman unless I mistook your argument for a "cake bakers shouldn't be able to deny service to anyone" argument. But the fact is if you step on the rights of the religious by letting them get sued into oblivion by gays then that isn't freedom and it becomes some weird Apartheidesque relationship where the minority's rights are worth more than the majority's rights.

And this entire election was basically the majority asserting themselves against the minority and asserting that they won't let their rights be trampled.

>/pol/ SO FUCKING MAD that South Park makes fun of Trump that they're retroactively stating that it was never funny, despite the fact that they laughed their asses off earlier this season when they were making fun of SJWs.

>>87620759
Mad because they didn't make an episode in case trump won, and the episode we got was an obvious rush job =/= Mad because of the bantz

recognize laziness when you see it brutha

>>87620640
Black voters choosing not to vote is in fact an endorsement for Trump. Blacks aren't going to vote Republican in large numbers ever, so when blacks support a Republican they just don't vote.

And there WAS a massive outpour, Trump fucking stole more than 200,000 Democrats from Hillary in PA and Florida had almost a million more people vote compared to 2012 and Trump won there.

Trump got less votes overall because of the sheer number of Republicans who voted third party.

>>87620759
I'm not mad they're making fun of Trump, this episode didn't even have any Trump. But this was just boring, rushed episode. Hopefully the game will be better.

>>87620449
>I honestly feel like they want to make another Idiocracy
Mike Judge made Idiocracy.

>>87620630
Can't cartman just be happy? And can't we have less of him?

>>87620773
>Black voters choosing not to vote is in fact an endorsement for Trump. Blacks aren't going to vote Republican in large numbers ever, so when blacks support a Republican they just don't vote.


yep, this
Hell, even back in that original AIDS skrillex video, the black guy yelling at the trump supporters got asked who they were gonna vote for and he basically said "I don't know"

>>87620774
I've already abandoned hope for the game, not like it will even be out in the next 3 years.

>>87620692
desu I thought the parts of 19 about the gentrification were funny

But then I was mostly watching CC for Moonbeam City and only caught the occasional South Park episode

>>87620776
As in something that gets trotted out in every political discussion.

How many times have you heard somebody say "Oh man Idiocracy is real!" ? I heard it many times this election cycle, particularly. Things like the ads and especially Memberberries feel like that, only half-assed.

>>87620757
>>87620752

>>87620752
Private businesses and organizations should be allowed to deny service to anyone for any reason so long as they are not breaking contract. I say this as an atheist who supports marriage equality (because the government controls marriage licenses).

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>>87620820
That had nothing to do with memes anon.

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>>87620752
>what is a civil union

Gays literally said they didn't want the rights that would come with civil unions, they wanted marriage

Though in their defense I'm pretty sure the fundie leaders said they didn't want gays to have civil unions

But when it comes down to it both sides were being unreasonable and the gays started being even more unreasonable once they got what they wanted

There seems to be an inability for people to just live in peace and not fuck other people over when it isn't necessary to their own wellbeing, a disgusting mean streak in American people

>>87620759
Nah. Thing is, this was the most important episode of the season. NO ONE knew what the fuck was going on the whole time. Nothing made sense. But yesterdays episode showed that they don't either. They jumped the shark and people get made cause they love SP usually. Anyway, nice bait there mate, u got me

>>87619742
Happens to every show that goes on for too long. Matt and Trey are getting old, and the older you get the harder it is to stay in touch. You can't just keep doing the same shit forever and expect it to do well forever.

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>>87620773
>tfw you're black and supported Trump but didn't vote
It's only because my state is republican as fuck

>>87620844
damn nigga not even online?

>>87620818
>>87620831

>>87620831
They wanted the same thing, not separate but equal. That isnt unreasonable.

>>87620831
>Gays literally said they didn't want the rights that would come with civil unions, they wanted marriage
civil unions and marriage don't have equal rights

>>87620724
>They have admitted this has fuck the rest of the season up.
>basing your entire plot and arc on a dice role
I can't help but feel bad for them. what would have been a great season now turned into a blunder.

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>>87620820
>2016 mspaint comics

>>87620830
>2009 mspaint comics

Where have the years gone?

>>87620844
If you live in the South you have no excuse to not vote if you're black, in the past dissatisfied Southern whites have coalesced with blacks to vote Republicans into power during the 1800s and Democrats into power during the 1900s (since blacks were Republicans in the 1800s, as were rednecks- both become Democrats later)

>>87620831
Faggot here, I would have been 100% ok with civil unions if they granted all of the same rights. Christians have every right to keep marriage a religious thing, I never wanted to intrude on that and many other older fags like myself agree with that sentiment.

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>/pol/ - Well-coordinated and heavily funded Democrat team beaten by a rag-tag group of /pol/acks run by a homosexual Jew and a Billionaire with blonde hair

>>87620856
>>87620853
It is unreasonable because marriage has religious connotations

Gays aren't getting married because they want Jesus/Muhammad/Moses to bless their holy union, they're getting married for tax purposes and inheritance purposes and things like that

All you have to do is not step on people's toes and be pigheaded. Luckily the religious have been bullied so much and people are so tired of the social issue bullshit that any backlash will be surprisingly tame, the South is largely focused on jobs and immigration right now rather than GAWD, hence why Trump won there and Ted "Rising Priesthood" Cruz didn't.

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>>87620874
Yeah but I'm lazy.

>>87620139
he said he'd let the states decide instead, but not really go against it

>>87620887
This is like the time when /v/ beat Reddit despite having shitty gear and shitty internet connections.

4chan is wonderful in our determination to ruin things for other people for laughs.

>>87620896
No it isnt because while there is religious connotation to it they fucked up by tying it to government. That's the problem. It ceased being an entirely independent thing the moment the government got involved in it, it's not something ruled by independent institutions.

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>>87620006
Trump was okay with the gay before it was cool

>>87620912
goddamnit

>>87620896
Well that's not 100% true, there are some religious homosexuals who wish for that, buuuut it's pretty contradictory and there are barely any of them

>>87620915
My post was literally an edit of the original text

>>87620912
If you go to /pol/ you'll find a bunch of retarded blue state Republicans who say the same shit about not voting Trump. In the end voting is important because it sends a message, and in the case of this election blacks in Michigan of all places (turnout in Detroit was down 40%) not voting sent the message that they didn't want to vote for the whore whose husband who sent their factory jobs to China.

>>87620896
If marriage is a religious union then remove the tax benefits from it.
Also, http://intentblog.com/the-cause-for-same-sex-hospital-visitation-rights/

>the religious have been bullied
LOL

>>87620923
Trump won every county in this state. If I was in a swing state I would've went

>People won't vote, but they'll form violent mobs

we are such a lazy nation

>>87620006
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkV9dXF3VR0
Funny enough, he's completely the opposite, he loves Americans, including gays
Pence is the opposite though, he actually believes in conversion therapy

>>87620943
It's human nature to be more easily motivated by hate than almost anything else.

>>87620920
The problem here is that the government has been involved in marriage since the 1800s for various reasons. In any case there isn't a real good argument for the sarcastic "ohhh separate but equal". Civil unions and marriage having the same rights and benefits but one being for gays and the other for straights would literally be separate but equal in its actual intended definition instead of the "here are your books from 100 years ago, nigger" segregation-era application.

Remember that the reason separate but equal is disdained so much is because it was physically not equal, black schools and facilities were always inferior to white equivalents. In this case the gay equivalent to marriage would be legally equal, the only difference would be the name so that fundies wouldn't bitch.

>>87620936
>religious cake bakers getting hit with fines of thousands of dollars isn't bullying

I'm guessing you still live with your parents and don't have any clue how money works.

>>87620943
>Trump is bad because he won't accept the election results immediately
>Trump wins
>Liberals fucking riot
How do they get away with this kind of shit. People talk about Trump's "hateful and violent" rhetoric when Hillary and the media's rhetoric is used to justify violence against Trump and his supporters because they are apparently all evil bigots.

>>87619742
>he says as he posts the one funny scene from the last episode

>>87620921
>if two people dig each other, they dig each other.

wise words

>>87620968
Maybe ideally, but they didnt carry over all the same rights and benefits.

And even then the idea that people want to be treated as equals in the eyes of the government is not unreasonable in any way. In spite of the two notions in practice stemming from different reasons the logic behind them is still unfair and designed to segregate on baseless notions besides "Its just been this way so long".

>>87620943
>violent

I wouldn't go that far

>>87620963
America is a really horrifying place. As I've drifted away from the Democrats towards the Republicans I've been able to look at my old party from the outside in, and they exhibit the same kind of retarded self-righteous jingoism they accused the Republicans of. Americans in general are just kind of assholes, I wonder if there's a country were the first response isn't "I want to shoot that guy".

>>87620975
Back at it with the strawman

>>87620976
>because they are apparently all evil bigots

>morning after
>swastikas all over Philly
>Nazi flags flying in San Fran
>KKK on parade in NC
>anyone not white across the country getting hassled by rednecks telling them to get out or die

>apparently

>>87620984
In the modern climate if they tried to make civil unions anything more than a cosmetic difference it would be repeatedly challenged in the courts and in the legislatures and become a rallying cry for the left.

Any ban on gay marriage isn't happening unless california gets nuked into oblivion, killing at least a tenth of the liberal population of America.

And at that point we probably have bigger problems than gay marriage.

>>87620987
>I wouldn't go that far
Then you're a fool

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/us/oregon-protest-riot/index.html

>>87620989
These are factual things that happened, I don't see how it can possibly be a strawman when it isn't a hypothetical.

>>87620997
I'm guessing you believe the twitter posts about Trump supporters running around grabbing pussy too

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/11/09/internet-pioneer-flies-nazi-flag-over-san-francisco-home-in-trump-protest/

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Did south park mention harambe at any point?

>>87619742
When you finally grew up

>>87620997
Every single hate crime story on Twitter today is getting heckled by frogposters insisting that they're making it up
That's how much denial they're in.

>>87621004
Which is probably why the Supreme Court just said "Hey, stop, it's legal". Way easier.

>>87621011
>CNN

I see they've dumped Clinton to go back to their old ways of hyping everything else up

>>87620705
Pretty much. Hillary is just mundane corrupt politician stuff, while Trump could easily be a comic book Supervillain. Hillary is boring, material wise. As a non-american, I highly look forward to america under Trump.

>>87621016
Because you think the one baker who got sued is more important than all the gays who are denied rights

>We just want to hang all Mexicans, bash all blacks, beat our wives and torture gays into being straight!
>WHY DON'T THEY TOLERATE US GOLL

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>>87621025
>things that happened

>>87621019

>tfw you didn't even wake up, get dressed, or travel to a polling location on election day

>>87620943
Difference is that (((Soros))) couldn't pay liberals to vote, just pay them to act like chimpanzees

>>87621032
Only in this political climate can a guy who loves his country be compared to a comic book villain
>mundane corrupt politician
Kill yourself, now.

>>87621038
Suing people who don't want to make you a cake because it disagrees with your religion isn't a right

>>87621032
Trump is literally Teddy Roosevelt, so you're wrong

>>87620997
>swastikas all over Philly
There was graffiti of "Die Whites Die" on statues, too. It was found that it was manufactured by rioters, both white and black, in an anarchistic way. ANYONE CAN GET GRAFFITI AND PAINT SHIT. They found the Nazi symbol on the GOP building that was firebombed. Are we supposed to believe it was a Republican that did it then?
>Nazi flags in San Fran
Never heard of this. But, oh no, one city in America! The oppression of free speech.
>KKK on parade in NC
That was a group of Trump supporters with large flags. The photo was grainy as shit. The photos were fact-checked when other people found images of the supporters. None of them had anything on that would even resemble white pillowsheets. They weren't even wearing masks.
>anyone not white across the country getting hassled by rednecks telling them to get out or die
All of these stories happened TODAY. Every single story so far has been hearsay and a lot of "My friend... My relative... My child... had another person say *insert Trump phrase here*, my feelings are being hurt" with no evidence, no recordings, etc.
They could honestly make a template for half these people so that they could inflate the narrative about them even faster. Hell, the Muslim girl who said two Trump supporters assaulted here COMPLETELY LIED. But you know what there is evidence of today? An elderly white man getting beaten the fuck up by a bunch of black teenagers just because they believe he is a Trump supporter. ON VIDEO. But that's OK when Democrats do this shit. Meanwhile, all the riots and property damage and violence is being done by actual liberals who have a victim complex. They will never be satisfied because they don't like not getting their way. Tough.

>>87621056
>a guy who loves his country
Just not half its people apparently

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The real reason this season isn't funny is not because of the trump/garrison shit

It's because they have treated this season's arc as if it's just one elongated episode, right down to reusing the same fucking jokes every episode. "girls are funny get over it" was funny to start with, but they've been using the exact same line every fucking episode and it's just not entertaining anymore

In the past they've still had self contained plots during the arc, but they've completely gone the other way this time. I can't fault them for trying something new but holy fucking shit stop using the same jokes every episode

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>coddled american christians live in the safest, most generous country towards them in the world
>they can't afford to give anyone else rights because it would make theirs less special

>>87620997
>implying the swastika and nazi flag shit isn't a false flag
The fuck would a neo-nazi live in san fran of all places for? And even if all of those were true how does that justify violence?

Was this guy a KKK member?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnQNFBHHs6w

Was this kid a white supremacist?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52EoprTSouU

>>87621067
You mean the group of Americans that aren't American citizens? Pretty sure they're less than half of America. And I'm also pretty sure their opinion on American legislation doesn't matter because they're not an American citizen.

>>87621067
>even if you didn't vote for me I will fight for you

>>87619742
They started doing THE PLOT

>>87621067
Explain

>>87621082
I'm an Australian that went through the Abbott years. Fucker makes Clinton look like a choir girl. Said exactly the same thing. Didn't believe him then, don't believe Trump now.

>>87620613
Way to miss the point, just grow some thicker skin because it's something that's always happened and will continue to.
Words to live by you little shit, now let's keep the actual discussion about what's actually happening in the show unlike most of the past few SP threads.

>>87621056
>guy who loves his country

between the two he was the one constantly talking about how shitty America is

>>87621100
Also, I say "years" loosely. Like Trump he was hopelessly inept and unpopular as a leader, didn't even last half his term before his own party turfed him.

>>87621100
You're entitled to that opinion but you can't use it in empirical arguments

>>87621111
>Like Trump he was hopelessly inept and unpopular as a leader,
Trump hasn't even fucking started
Stop watching The Project

>>87621109
You sound like you should take your own advice.

>>87621116
Guess I should just have faith in the years of experience he has in the political arena huh

>>87621062
I can't tell if you're braindead or shitposting. I mean actual rights, not some fucking cake

>>87621124
Try the years of successfully managing a multibillion dollar business

You have no valid ground to be calling him inept or unpopular. The paid protests happening at the moment do not prove anything.

>>87621110
It is, that's why he wants to make it great again

>>87621129

Not him but:

having your religious ceremony recognized by the government, complete with tax breaks shouldn't be a right either

>>87621135
>try the years of successfully managing a multibillion dollar business
>filed for bankruptcy four times
Can't wait to see him do this with America

>paid protests
sure buddy

>>87621148

>using chapter 11 bankruptcy on 4 out of 500 companies makes him a bad businessman

???

Stop falling for memes

>>87621141
Yeah that's true too. Honestly i think it should just be a civil union with all the benefits across the board while marriage just stays what it should have been from the start, something just done for ceremony by whatever religion you fancy if any.

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>>87621148
>sure buddy

>>87621129
Using your government-granted rights to sue people isn't freedom, now fuck off faggot retard

This shit is probably why you were denied gay marriage for so long, you're an annoying entitled dick

>>87621141
I have no issue with marriage ceremonies being for straight couples only. Just give gays the same tax and hospital rights. Why is that so hard?

>>87621135
You know what happened the last a genuine business genius thought he knew what was best for America, right? Viet Nam.


Business sense =/= political sense

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>>87621148
back2melbourne

Alternatively Canadians do shitposting better than you, you should just give up. Australia's time in the sun is over.

>>87621178
I'm not gay though

>>87621186
False equivalency
Try using some logic in your argument next time

>>87621184
No one in this thread has insinuated that it is hard and have generally supported the idea of gays doing gay stuff with tax breaks on top

>>87621190
That makes it even worse, you're dickriding homosexuals for a self-righteous feeling

Don't try to claim you're a libertarian either, a libertarian would agree that a system which allows one group to be sued for disagreeing with the other isn't freedom

>>87621197
Well there is definitely one very loud person itt who thinks gays are entitled for wanting tax breaks.

>>87621204
I'm a Democrat. And you are a classic portrait of a Christian with a persecution complex.

>>87619742
Because life is much more funnier than satire.

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The democrats should be fucking renamed to "The Sore Losers Party"

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>>87621204
Not him, but I think the government should just get out of the business of marriage licensure period. It's a waste of time and taxpayer money.

>>87621204
>That makes it even worse, you're dickriding homosexuals for a self-righteous feeling
It's called having empathy.

>Trust fund brat from New York is given millions of dollars from his father and manages not to lose it all
>considered a business genius, and also hero of the working class of middle America

>simple man from North Dakota starts with nothing and builds a multi-million dollar company from scratch with nothing but his business sense and hard work
>no recognition for this at all

icing on the cake is, Trump has already started staffing his administration with the exact same lobbyists and elites he was railing against for his entire campaign. You voted for memes, when the true working class hero and successful businessman was right there.

>>87621215
>literal observable persecution
>complex

>>87621236
>Man turns millions into billions
That's pretty impressive
>B-B-BUT I COULD DO IT
Oh yeah, just like every other kid who got loans for college who are now in debt

So why did the Democrats rally behind Clinton so much? I just don't get why they went to such extreme lengths to support one of the shittiest candidates out there. Even if they didn't like Bernie, couldn't they of just rally behind some other no-name democrat nominee instead? Surely they would've been more appealing than Trump.

>>87621260
Because it was her turn, they agreed on it in 2008

>>87621260
Because
>MUH FIRST VAGINA PRESIDENT
>SHE'S NOT TRUMP
That's it, democrats literally just wanted whoever was gonna continue Obama's shitty plans and be another "progressive first" President

>>87621247

turning nothing into millions is more impressive by far.

One of the things Trump kept saying is that the elites and crony capitalists have stacked the deck in their favor. If you accept that as true, it automatically makes everything Trump did businesswise less impressive since he was born an elite.

>>87621184
I think we reached that same agreement a while ago. Just make marriage it's own thing not tethered to a government entity.

>>87621260
Obama won becuase he was Black, we had a spike of Black voters to both elections
They thought women would vote a women president in
They then went with a hag

>>87621221
Reps spent eight years trying to impeach Obama, shutting down govt twice, and you think the Dems are sore losers?

>>87621178
>>87621204
0/10

>>87621273
I'm sorry, did the Republicans fucking riot and assault people in 2008 and 2012?

>>87621260
Dude she had functioning ovaries 20 years ago, she was obviously the most qualified member the democratic party had.

>>87621270
I am 100% okay with this

>>87621270
that seem to be the best solution

>>87621260
>So why did the Democrats rally behind Clinton so much?

They didn't. That's why she lost. Unless you meanjust the people running the party, in which case idunnolol


>>87621281
>>87621271
>>87621267

She'snot the only woman in politics though; they could have easily picked someone more likable.

>>87621260
They didnt think Bernie had the same level of recognition and so no chance of winning.

>>87621280
no, they did not
they also did not constantly threaten suicide

>>87621260
seems like a lot of people only care about [ethnicity]/[gender] combos, so many godamn people who after the election kept talking about how bad it was that we went from black president to not woman president. fucking racists and sexists the lot of em except they would never see themselves as such.

>>87621270
This. It should be controlled by private groups.

>>87620671
That'd actually be kinda clever with Cartman self destructing so hard.

>>87621286
But dude it was her turn.

>>87621292
fuck anyone who only voted Clinton because she's a woman
I want there to be a female president but I don't want the first female president to be a shitty one.

>>87621289
That's not true, they weren't underestimating Bernie, he was only for getting the youth vote excited. They planned Hillary running after she lost to Obama along with Time Kaine.

>>87621291
>they also did not constantly threaten suicide
You know what they would do if they werent hacks? Have Scot Malkinson be the stand in for those people. He was already making bullshit claims of leaving social media earlier. But i bet they wont even remember that was a thing and just continue to spiral around the drain.

>>87619962
That's not a nice thing to say about SS

>>87620006
Can you tell me what everything after T is please, senpai?

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>>87621310

IT'S OTT'S TURN, FRANK

>>87621019
What did you think Butters walking around with his dick out was all about?

>>87621292
I agree. SJWs and the sort make it hard being a liberal when they constantly race bait and not focus on the real issues.

>>87621316
the worst ones were the guys who were being completely ameri-centric, talking about how electing Clinton was going to be this gigantic milestone for women everywhere now that they finally had a female leader! Ignoring women like Thatcher and Merkel in modern times and Victoria, Catherine the great etc.

>>87621334

Q is queer, and RSTUV are the letters that come after Q

>>87621310

She did get her turn. She got ran over by the Trump train just like everyone else before her. Whoo whoo.

>>87621310
I didn't vote Trump (because I lived through his effects on Atlantic City and didn't see him change much from that) but the bottom line is that he won because Hilary's team kept spouting shit like that.
If you're broke, you're not going to give a shit about making history or the first female president, or how much of a scumbag the other guy is, so long as he's at least paying lip service to the fact that you're broke. You can't eat feminism. You can't pay health insurance with not being problematic.

Hiliary never really made the argument as to why we should've voted for her outside of "he's worse" and EVERYBODY does that.

>>87621338
my favourite tweet from after the election was someone saying something along the lines of:
"fucking white men, why are you all so sexist and racist?"

>>87621360
>Hiliary never really made the argument as to why we should've voted for her outside of "he's worse"

doesn't help that she focused more on his fee-fee hurting sound bites than on the actual communities he's destroyed.

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>>87619742
I think the saddest thing about all this massive disappointment from the season is just how much fucking potential it had to be so fucking good.

You have this huge landmark election, all this crazy, divisive vitriol that splintered the nation more so than it has ever been in recent years. They could have touched on this huge level of disillusion and disenfranchisement that a lost section of the nation was feeling, which led to all this bedlam after this was finally felt across the nation. Last season was so damn promising too with how well they pulling off the over arching story structure with episodes having their own story beat that was different from the last but contributed to the greater whole.

This season could have been amazing. It had such good material from this election and so many ways they could have taken it in. Instead we got them repeating "Girls are smart and funny, people just like Trump for nostalgia, random trolling, dicks out for harambe, go to Mars". They a fuck ton of plot threads that are going no where and arent going to come together at all cohesively. It's just the same shit over and over every episode. They're the ones doing the same shit now, they're the ones resting on their laurels just doing what they think is comfortable.

>>>/pol/

>>87620556
The joke was they were saying subtly that bill was a rapist by putting him next to bill.

>>87620554

Family Guy would have said "this is just like that time Bill Clinton and Bill Cosby gave me courtship advice" and had a flashback of them teaching Peter how to properly dose chloroform or something.

>>87621376
desu that would have fallen flat too since they tried the "he claims to be Scottish but fucked up this area of Scotland to build a golf course" angle for a short while.

Trump won because from the start he was bombastically talking about jobs, trade and immigration. He said many retarded things, but most of those retarded things were on the subject of his main campaign points.

Hillary just kind of said "I'm Hillary" and was surprised when a no-name Vermont Senator was suddenly pulling 45% of the vote in polls just for talking about jobs and trade

>>87620467
>but with Trump winning it shatters everything

The popular vote is at only a 300k difference between the two, with Hillary leading. I think this article really called it.

http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/07/tuesday-shouldnt-change-the-narrative/

>>87621286
>>87621281

"Her turn" memes aside it's because the upper echelon of the democratic party are super self serving and have been out of touch with the rest of the country for decades. Clinton was willing to suck their dicks as best she could and was part of a dynasty so they let her have a go at it thinking they had a super fucking easy race.

As people have said Trump didn't win because he was adored he won because people fucking hated Clinton. Clinton had the backing of essentially every single source of major media in the country spewing out a media campaign so gigantic that she had virtually 24/7 biased as fuck news going for her and still fucking lost.

They made super stupid assumptions and it bit the democrats in the ass. They assumed they'd get the minority vote, the female vote, and the youth vote and they didn't. Blacks and latinos gave zero fucks about this election and just didn't vote, a large amount of women voted for Donald, and they burnt a bridge as large at they fucking possibly could with Bernie Sanders. I cannot imagine how many votes they lost from first time voters this election because of Bernie Sanders not running.

Even now we see the younger generation of Dems fucking goign ballistic at how short sighted and retarded the old white fucks running the party were this time. They assumed they'd have all the above groups voting simply because Clinton was a democrat and they told them to vote because trump was a bad boogeyman and if you voted you'd be racist too while running a candidate nobody gave a fuck about at best and at worst (and it clearly was at worst) hated her more than Trump.

Despite being labeled as literally Satan for a year straight Trump gave a legitimately nice effort in appealing to middle america who the dems glossed over and he won because of that.

TL;DR

Hillary was willing to play ball so they let her run and they got cucked out of every relevant office.

>>87620943
She got the popular vote so technically more people voted in her favor. You assume these aren't those people

>>87621376

They blew through most of that smokescreen during the Primaries.

Genius move. They figured he'd never make it all the way through so they just kept unloading to keep Jeb in the game.

Nate Silver's Gold Standard on polling being full of shit this time.

(Ahh Watching TYT election coverage and still hoping Nate Silver is right until the end HA HA HA HA. So much salt.)

But he destroyed The Clapper and by then all they had was the specious lunacy of a repeatedly refiled case with no evidence.

A lawsuit tainted by Clinton ties and a parade of nothings with mean nothing to a guy who's been married three times and each marriage a tabloid story and pop culture joke.

>>87621412
Paid Agitators.

Course this won't be Egypt no matter how much Soros and Hillary would like it to be.

Gets really serious Marines would end this right quick.

>>87621394

No, Family Guy wouldn't have done that, because that actually sounds funny. Needs more outlandish and out of place gore, followed by shouting and some bodily fluids.

>>87621419
Now he just has to make it through his Nov 18th court appearance

>>87621430
Which is another nothing.

>>87621426
I thought that too. Seems like something the alt right would do to discredit them. First day was almost all peaceful and then when the right got its gears in motion there is suddenly random property damage

>>87621412
> She got the popular vote

I love this narrative. How do you say that if votes are still being counted?

>>87621380
South Park was going to be shit this year simply because real life was actually funny this year

Trump made reality funny and interesting with his dickery and his constant shitting on everyone around him, comedy could never compare to it

This is why South Park needs to just stay in their own southparkverse and make garrison the president or simply not mention this plotline again in the future

Trump says stupid shit, but he usually does it to bait people into being even dumber than him. He isn't like Bush who said stupid shit so that he would sound "down home". Trump is a menace to anyone who tries to poke fun at him, because it's always a trap so he can banter you into oblivion.

>>87621443
And its not even the overseas military ballots in those total yet.

>>87621408
She's only leading because of California though, this isn't 2000 when Bush won in Florida by 600 votes. Trump is ahead by tens of thousands in the states he needs to clinch the presidency, the Californians voting vigorously is irrelevant to the process.

>>87621440
My mistake, the class action lawsuit across several states is the 28th. Fraud seems like a serious thing when he promised to make education great again and then cashed the checks and ran

>>87619939
Even Trump thought he will lose . That's why he said the election will be manipulated.

>>87621276
>suing people is a right

I hate this country, I really do

>>87621443
Because I can count. You could bitch the same about the Electoral College being up in the air. As of RIGHT now. She has the popular vote

>>87621449
Its how he won a frugal campaign. Say inane stuff that gets the media attention FOR WEEKS. Ties up the coverage so that everyone else gets none.

>>87621466
wat

>>87621467

Are you retarded? It's impossible for Hillary to win the electoral vote. But Trump can still win the popular vote.

>>87621449
Yeah but South Park works pretty good when they're taking the craziness of reality and turning it up or putting their own twist on it. It's like they didnt even try to touch on reality though, they went with their own vision of reality which turned out to be something completely off the mark.

>>87621476
Yea taking Pennsylvania and Wisconsin ended her prospects.

>>87621476
As of right now, he isn't and hasn't. The point behind the original post was anon bitching not enough people voted for her and now the non voters are rioting.

My point was she currently has the popular vote and of those 50 plus million, we have barely 200k rioting over the rigged system

>>87621409
>trump didn't win because he was adored

Wrong, I've written a shitton of theses about this

Trump won because the country was split between the people who hated both, those who hated Trump, those who hated Clinton and those who loved Trump

Having people who love you- especially in swing states- is the biggest boon you can have

>>87619742
Hey, guys. Guess what?

Guess what?

I liked it.

>>87621505
It's not wrong.

I mean he literally won because more people in relevant states voted for him yes but when you look at the data basically nobody fucking voted this year. His swing states weren't massively for trump because they weren't massivily for anybody nobody voted for Clinton where it mattered.

>>87621419
>Nate Silver's Gold Standard on polling being full of shit this time.

Keep hearing this a lot. Here are the facts.

1. Nate Silver does not conduct polls. He only interprets them. If there is some institutional problem with the polls that underreport Trump support, it's not on him.

2. Wile Nate Silver was giving Trump about a 35% chance to win, most other major predictors were giving him more like 12%. He was actually catching a lot of flak from within the business for giving Trump such high odds. If anything, he should be lauded for his methods since he was closer than most.

3. Trump winning does't give us a whole lot of valuable data on what his odds were. If I flip a coin once and it comes up heads, you can't say that means there was a 100% chance of it coming up heads and anyone who said 50 is wrong. If we redid this election over 100 times, it's still possible trump would only win 40 of those times, especially looking at how close it was.

I'd like to see the research you did that qualifies you to talk about how little Nate Silver knows.

>>87621505
Also those that were tired of the status quo of Big Government and wanted someone to take a wrecking bar to it.

Trump rode through with people that wanted to see something done and not a measly half measure.

>>87621480
The problem here I think is that "Trump goes to Washington" literally sounds like a South Park parody episode

Trump's campaign became a parody of reality within reality- it was why /pol/ loved it so much, because it seemed to be tearing the entire fabric of reality into a universe where crazy shit was the norm (besides the SJW crazy that already existed I mean)

Trey and Matt couldn't believe their eyes because no one is used to a politician coming out of nowhere and grabbing people by the pussy like that, no one thought such an unconventional, strange, unorthodox, weird and often uncouth brute of a candidate could win

They put their money on the "typical politician", regardless of how corrupt they were their faith in the system was so eroded they assumed that the sleazebag with blood on her hands and foreign money in her pocket would win with ease- and cynicism was wrong.

It was the kid with a billion dollars and a jet who won by telling people in a spurdoesque fashion they were great who won.

>>87621419
Nate was still by far the best. Princeton and Huffpost were giving Hillary 99%.

>>87621521
The date is showing that close to 130 million voted this year. It's down from previous years but not "basically no one". Turnout was up by nearly a million people in Florida. The fact here is that Democrats tried to swing Texas blue and failed while Trump didn't bother to try and swing California or New York red so Republicans didn't see higher turnout in either of those states.

>>87621537
Yea he gave them flak for that and they were calling him full of shit. He knew something was wrong with the numbers.

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>>87621537
It's easy to shit on Nate but he was the most fair to Trump, probably because unlike Princeton he isn't a 300 year old university and has an actual brand to protect.

And I think he'll come out fine. While claiming NC and FL weren't for Trump was a blunder, literally no one saw PA, WI and MI coming so no one can blame him when his statistical models are based on polls. I just hope he does something about his balding- he should realize he looks like he's going bald from the stress of the election.

>>87621547
Also he kept Hillary and Company having to defend the Upper Blue Belt and actually succeeded in getting most of it even getting a really tight race in Virginia.

>>87621536
>cynicism was wrong
this is what i like the best about the american election this year, i don't like Trump but it really fills me with hope that Hillary lost.

>>87621526
Nate got fucked by this election but it's actually funny how the shitty polls saved his career

He predicted FL and NC wrong but all the polls were wrong on PA so Nate comes out of this looking like a victim of circumstance rather than another biased Clintonista. He's been saved by the incompetence of others.

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>>87619742

>>87621567

Would like to see if Dems could learn a lesson in four years. I doubt it because their current bench is shit and they blew just about all their PR Super Spin on 2008 and soon will have nothing to show of it.

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>>87620921
>But because I wasn't invited, do I still have to send them a toaster?

>>87621570
>another biased Clintonista

he was giving Trump much higher odds than almost anyone.

>>87621587
It's okay because unless Trump really fucks up historical trends indicate him losing re-election is unlikely

Hence it's better that Dems put up a "Romney" in 2020 to lose again before someone like Trump takes the Democratic primaries by storm in 2024 and forces the party to actually turn itself around instead of doubling down on the Clintonism.

>>87621591
only because he wanted to have some cred to salvage from that sinking ship.

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>>87621591
I know, that's why I said he comes out of this looking better than all those other guys

Trump's unconventional win with the rust belt- a sweep which would ensure victory even without Florida- ensures that Nate doesn't look like an idiot because no one could have seen it coming

Except Alex Jones and Michael Moore

>>87620982
Yea he diffused the bathroom issue they wanted to back a central part of this campaign.

"Use whatever feels right." Paraphrased.

I've some friends and I really hope they don't hurt themselves because of the media fear mongering.

>>87621603

So what evidence do you have that he IS an idiot? If everyone says something has a 10% chance of happening, and I say it's more like 30, and it happens, why should I look bad?

>>87620630
Butters is taking his place, so don't worry.

>>87619984
Wow, so MAD. I can taste the salt all the way over here. Go cry more in tumblr faggot.

Soon your kind will be cleansed.

>>87621629
But they ruined that by having Bill say he's only acting that way cause some dumb bitch broke his heart. Which even true doesn't invalidate how right he was about what he said.

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>>87620550
>politifact

>>87620006
It's also funny people say he is against blacks while he supported OJ fucking Simpson during his trial.

>>87621662

Don King and Mike Tyson have really nice stories about their time with Trump.

And then there are Diamond and Silk two of his biggest cheerleaders he embraced from early on in the campaign.

Not to mention his desegregation of the Country Club.

He's got plenty of stories that show he was no friend of racism.

>>87620862
They've lost their touch, simple as that. They're fat and lazy.

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>>87620773
>>Blacks aren't going to vote Republican in large numbers ever,
>Even though he won some of the biggest negro states like Michigan and North Carolina

>>87621662
>he supported OJ fucking Simpson

that should not be presented as a positive

>>87620399
'member when there wasn't so many newfags and redditors here?

>>87621709
Back then it was a lost more a specious seeming case than it turned into during the civil trail. Especially if you lived out on the West Coast.

>>87621709
Nigga didn't do shit. He's innocent.
>>87620773
>>If Democrats lost 25% of the black vote they would lose Virginia, Florida, Ohio and North Carolina.
>If Trump skims 25% of black voters from the Democratic Party he would win the 2016 election in a landslide.
And guess what happened?

The last Republican to win over 25 percent of the non-white vote was Richard Nixon in 1960.
Nixon won 32% of non-white voters to Kennedy’s 68%

What bothers me the most is that it is clear the overall storyline of the season was written for quite some time. They arent doing episodes around completely new facts, they are just making episodes normally and stuffing some jokes about current events.

This means they have been 100% sure hillary would win for 2 months now. They havent planned AT ALL what to do if trump won.

>>87620682
>I want to congratulate the feminists who pushed the message:
>the reason why you vote for Clinton is because she is a woman
>making this entire race nothing more than gender-bating stupidity

>I want to congratulate those who think Trump is anti-establishment, anti-corporation candidate
>even though he grows up at Wall Street

>I want to congratulate the evangelicals who supported a candidate who doesn't hold any Christian value.

He makes some good points there. On the other hand, fuck him for blaming third party voters. I know a guy who was doing the same thing on election night and it pissed me the fuck off.

>hurr even though you don't like hillary you should vote for her anyway because I say so

The dems maybe could have legitimately got all those third party voters if they had put up a decent candidate.

>>87621732
>And guess what happened?

....not a landslide

>The last Republican to win over 25 percent of the non-white vote was Richard Nixon in 1960.
Nixon won 32% of non-white voters to Kennedy’s 68%

You trying to say nonwhites vote for the biggest crooks or what?

>>87621765
Nah it was a Pit Fight. Which Trump had prepared for.

>>87621765
>Implying Keneddy was a Crook

>>87621619
Nate isn't an idiot and if I said that I misstyped. What I mean is Nate was going off of math and polls and the polls were wrong, but because he was more fair to Trump than others and because PA and WI and MI all fluctuated so wildly he comes out of this looking smarter than the rest of them.

>>87621814
> Bay of Pigs
> Vietnam
> Not a crook

>>87621732
Trump got 21 or 23% of whites

The fact here is that CA came out in droves against him, if you graded the country on votes you'd have the East and Middle being more red than ever and the far West being heavily more blue

>>87621692
Turnout in Detroit was down 40% man, the blacks in Detroit didn't vote. He won Michigan because blacks stayed home on purpose and the white Democrats swapped parties.

>>87621833
>of whites

Fuck I meant minorities, if he had gotten that low a percentage of whites then even as a Democrat he would have lost hilariously

I know politics is a big theme on this season, but can we leave the actual political discussion for /pol/ and talk about the episode?

>>87621831
Johnson was a crook because he was probably the mastermind behind Kennedy's murder just like Bush I probably tried to have Reagan assassinated

Obama and Trump both realized that type of fuckery and have VPs that people are more afraid of so they won't kill them, Hillary was down in the s of s position because it discouraged her from trying anything.

Never appoint an overly-ambitious VP, it will kill you.

>>87620114
> make a whole new one in less than a day
This is not physically possible. Realistically they had two versions of the episode completed ahead of time.

>>87620630
You can't be serious. Cartman has been so obviously been set up for a huge fall and it was obvious the second he started being nice. He's not gonna change long term.