You know, I cringed when people complained about quips in MCU

>>87563399
after watching BvS I always watch marvel and their quips to brighten up my day

>>87563399

You didn't have a problem with it during Avengers 2?

>>87563445
Avengers 2 was a mediocre movie at best even without th quips. Strange could be one of the best in the MCU if not for them. So I guess it's just more noticeable now.

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>>87563399
But that's a slapstick visual gag, not a quip.

>>87563399
The point was that the Cape knew the better thing to use

Sure, ha ha, it's so silly that it's dragging him away from the weapon but it's also playing into the theme of broadening your horizons and thinking outside of just hitting someone

The movie need more of that and less Matrix fighting

>>87563399
The cape was directing him to something that would more effectively trap the villain. It was comedic, but it wasn't pointless. The cape wasn't actually just trying to be "wacky" it just knew more than him.

>>87563557
Snyderfags aren't familiar enough with humor to understand the difference between different kinds of humor. It's all foreign to them.

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>>87563399
So, you're saying it was capeshit?

I'm hoping that the reason nobody is bitching about the cloak beating up a guy in its own is because people know that was genuinely a thing Strange did in the comics.

This was definitely the first time I felt a Marvel film was brought down by the humor and insertion of levity where it wasn't appropriate.

The Cape bit wasn't one of them, though. The Cape was actually trying to direct him towards a more effective weapon. It contributed to the scene in a meaningful way, and helped characterize an animate, but mute, piece of clothing.

>>87563399
I really don't see what upset people, with this scene.

Cape has a mind of its own and know better than strange what to do.

This scene seemed natural to me.

>>87563399
I thought it was kinda funny the first time the cape yanked him and would've been fine if he got the hint but they dragged it on too long.

>>87563399
I liked that scene. The part where we was about to go face Kaecellius and the Cape tickled his face or whatever was what irritated me.

>>87563966
I think it was wiping his tears.

>>87563848
Okay, if the cape bit wasn't part of it, which humor did bug you?

>>87563399
Stop watching capeshit and watch Jack Reacher or Hacksaw Ridge instead.

ITT: people try to explain to a low IQ person about "magic in movies".

>>87563992
not the same anon, but I felt the "Mister Doctor" scene was completely out of place considering Mads' character had just killed a guy and was going to do the same to Strange.

>>87564009
At least pretend you're not in /tv/, Anon.

>>87564067
To be fair he also tried to recruit him, maybe he was trying to establish a rapport?

>>87563992

Not him but that Wong gags is the epitome of what I don't like about the humor in these movies

>>87563992
The stand out was Wong's forced laughter at the very end. Let's see, 'Wi-fi password' comes to mind.

I think in a lot of instances though, the quip or joke they went with just didn't fit the tone that the scene had established.

But visual humor and physical comedy during a fight scene is almost never out of place.

>>87564067
In that moments defense, it's probably the most memorable thing Mads did in the film.

Also it set up for Strange blowing up at the Ancient One and Mordeau shortly after, about how he's a Doctor, and very much averse to killing people. Solid character building.

>>87564091
>Wi-fi password' comes to mind.
It would be better if it was actually shown further that their whole compound is more civilized than one could think, like having electrical lighting, and some other technology, not just wi fi and a music player.

>>87563399

>How can anyone take anything that happens in the movie after that with any seriousness at all?

Would you rather see everything played straight to the point of grimdarkness? Would you rather remove all humor, all jokes, all sense of humanity from the film?

Because that's how you end up with the DCEU.

>>87564349
There's such a thing as a middle ground, you know. Quips during moments of levity, jokes while building rapport between characters and humanizing them are great. But maybe tone it down during the climax and serious moments and big fights?

>>87564349
They don't have to be grimdark, but the cape directing him to cage device and some other things, like it wiping the tears could've been done in serious tones. As they are they completely break any and all tension and drama. I'm not saying the movies should be devoid of humour, but it just feels like they had some sort of quota to fill - that every 2-3 minutes there has to be a quip or a gag there, or the movie wouldn't get made.

It amazes me the amount of retards making threads like this all day every day since the movie came out, are this people bots or paid retards to give free publicity to a certain movie/series/comic in forums?

>>87564462
People are just sick of the cookie cutter capeshit Marvel keeps shitting out.

>>87563399
>strange wants to grab an axe but wacky cape won't let him

That actually works for the character. Later on, we see that Strange is distraught over killing that Dormammu cultist, even in self-defence.

The cape is stopping Strange doing something that he'll regret.It knows him better than himself.

>>87564402
>>87564408
Being light-hearted goes hand-in-hand with being a good movie.

Marvel doesn't need to change a thing.

>>87564478
So why is it doing so well at the box office?

>>87564554
Because people are idiots. Why do you think the Transformer movies keep making a billion each?

>>87564548
>It knows him better than himself.
didn't it just meet him though?

>>87564554
>Being light-hearted goes hand-in-hand with being a good movie.
Are you really this much of a pleb?

>>87564584
The same reason McDonalds is successful.

People aren't idiots. They just enjoy indulging in things without substance.

>>87564554
>Being light-hearted goes hand-in-hand with being a good movie.
Right. Being light hearted is what made The Dark Knight good, or Burton's Batman for that matter, or Blade, good. And fant4stick was shitty solely because it lacked humor, not because it was badly written, played or paced. There is more than one way to make a good movie, you know, even within the confines of capeshit

>>87564618

They didn't emphasize it as much as they should have but remember that Mordo said Stranges relic would choose him, not the other way around

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>>87564638
>People aren't idiots.

>>87564675
go away, /tv/
no one likes you

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>>87563399
>took him until 2016 to realize the problem with quips
It's your own fault

>>87564329
If you don't set up that they have wifi in that seen, then you don't get the "Strange sending female-love-interest emails" later.

>>87564009
Jack Reacher 2 fucking sucked anon

>>87564349
>played straight to the point of grimdarkness

>playing things straight instantly turns things grimdark
Marvel fans, everyone. You absolutely CAN'T like comic book stories unironically, it has to be made fun of. NERDS!

Seriously, I don't know how a comic fan can still like Marvel despite this.

>>87564009
>le religion man saves a bunch of unenlightened athiests
No thanks

>>87564742
Whoa really? That sounds great. I wasn't interested at first, but now...

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>>87564734
There's a difference between irony and levity in the same way there's a difference between humor and camp

Pic sorta related

>>87564716

They were meaningless, you might have well.had him sending regular letters then you might have gotten a good emotional scene with him trying to write with his shaky hands

I didn't find the cap as bad you guys described. The whole axe thing was set up and payoff with that bondage device.

>>87564754
>I'm gonna watch crap just so I can get one over those pesky atheists

Hey anon, go check out the God's Not Dead movies. I bet you'd love them.

>>87564349
>Would you rather see everything played straight to the point of grimdarkness? Would you rather remove all humor, all jokes, all sense of humanity from the film?
Heaven forbid about a war between sorcerors and an extradimensional, borderline Lovecraftian entity trying to eat our world isn't sanitized into a jokey, campy where even the costumes are "lel so quirky XD"

>>87563560

yeah this, way to miss the point completely OP. It was played in a humorous way but what that cape was doing was completely serious.

I feel like the jokes in this move weren't THAT bad in concept, but the way they were filmed made it feel like watching a sitcom

>>87564091

Wong, man. Jesus christ. I was fine with him being stoic, I was fine with him secretly listening to Beyonce. But that laughter at the end, that was the most forced thing in the entire movie.

Not sure what the problem is with the wifi password though.

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>>87564638
>People aren't idiots.

Meanwhile, Americans allowed people like Trump and Clinton get this far.

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>>87564860

Well, one could say you let us let them

>>87563628
>mentions "cringing" when he hears people complaining about MCU quips, expresses displeasure at a visual gag
>automatically gets called a "Snyderfag"

Apparently you're not "familiar enough" with reading comprehension. Maybe you should read up on it while you grow a thicker skin.

>>87564758
They actively make fun of the characters unlike in Donner's Superman where he's played straight despite having humor or Dark Knight where he's play overly serious despite also having humor.

>>87564853
Yeah the moment he said "I don't laugh" I was like, "Okay, he'll laugh at the end."

I just wanna see a full hour of that acid trip sequence at the beggining

>>87564785
#triggered

Don't you have somewhere else to tip your fedora?

>>87564921
>Dark Knight where he's play overly serious despite also having humor.
He's not. The situations are serious but the vast majority of humor in those movies comes from the characters lamshading how crazy or ridiculous the BAtman and the villains are, same as the Marvel movies.

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>>87564939
>Hey I like shit movies
>Here's more shit movies
>LOL TRIGGERED I FUCKING GOT YOU HAHAHAHA

>>87564798
see >>87564408
I fail to see what you mean unless you consider it essential that the scene had to be humorous

>>87564961
That's what annoyed me about those movies, it really felt like Nolan and Goyer wanted to write straight crime epics instead of superhero movies.

>>87564983
Doesn't even comprehend what's being said. No wonder you're an atheist.

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>>87564905
>You know, I cringed when people complained about quips in MCU movies. But this is it. At this point this is no longer just lighting the mood, now quips actually ruin all tension and drama.
>strange wants to grab an axe but wacky cape won't let him

>>87565005
Goyer comes off like he got trapped in the wrong career or something

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>>87564983
>it makes fun of muh atheism, it's therefore shit!!!

>>87563560
>The point was that the Cape knew the better thing to use

Plus the axe meant that he was going to kill him. The cape tried to keep him from doing that.

Didn't really matter because he killed the other guy though.

>>87564984

how would you show the cape pulling him in a different direction than he wanted to go and not have people laugh? That's probably the best example of how humor is supposed to work; taking an image that would just naturally appear humorous and playing it straight.

>>87565040
I didn't hate Hacksaw Ridge cause of the underlying implications, I just don't like the idea of glorifying a man who wouldn't pick up a gun to fight for his comrades. Religion is not an excuse to be a pussy.

>>87565071
For one thing, it didn't need to show him literally run in place like it's a wacky cartoon.
>>87563628
>>87565018
OP here
Joke's on you, I thought BvS sucked. I don't want MCU to be grimdark. But there's a right tome for a humor and wrong time for humor. Having a gag like that in a middle of otherwise serious and emotional fight just ruins the mood for me.

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>>87563399
>strange wants to grab an axe but wacky cape won't let him
You're an idiot son

>>87565132
>Joke's on you, I thought BvS sucked.
Big mistake, buddy. Very big mistake.

>>87563764
FUCK YOU CARLOS

>>87565133
Yeah you say this now, but in DCEU threads...

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>>87565230
This thread is full of morons who dislike the humor but when people call them out they suddenly go silent

>>87564584
>>87564638
>people saying these things are also the types that said BvS was deep
Lmao you guys are ridiculous. The movie is good. That's why it's rated highly. If these movies were as shallow and bland as you're saying critics would be reaming them. Yet the opposite happens and most of the films are good to great.

>>87565132
I honestly didn't care that much about whether you were a Snyderfag or not, what annoyed me is you stated that quips were ruining all tension, and then listed something that is not a quip in any sense of the word as an example. Quips are witticisms a character says. They're a very specific kind of word-based humor Joss Whedon is fond of, and got more heavily associated with the MCU after the Avengers featured a lot of them. So much so that it's become a meme to accuse the MCU of quips whenever there's any kind of comic relief, even when it's not a quip at all. That's what is annoying to me, that you're basing your opinions off of memes.

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>>87565181
>Big mistake, buddy. Very big mistake.
*unsheathes katana*

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>>87565320

>>87565270
This can't be real.

>>87565320
*unsheathes Harley*

Because the cape knew he'd get fucking killed if he grabbed the axe, either by being outskilled in combat or the axe might have had some fucking crazy curse on it. It was trying to drag him to the rape cage.

I thought that was really clear, are there really people confused about that scene?

>>87565299
Cry more.

>>87563992
Different guy but Wongs laugh at the end bugged me (mostly cause the joke wasn't really funny). I think the cape wiping the tears bugged me the most because that did feel like it killed all emotions

>>87565354
Denial isn't just a river in Egypt :^}

There's an important thing to remember. Iron Man the movie was made before Disney bought Marvel. The quips in it came naturally, reflected the character, and were actually not too bad comparatively speaking. Ever since that became popular and Disney took the helm, quips have been inserted into the movies and I do mean inserted. They don't come naturally. They're added because market research indicated that a moment of levity was needed at that moment in the movie or audiences would get bored. These movies are all made by a committee now. They care about pleasing the most broad of audiences possible.

So there's your monkey paw, comic book fans. Your favorite characters are getting movies in an era where cinematic creativity is virtually nonexistent. Prepare for your favorite obscure character to be dumbed down and turned into a quip machine.

And DC fans, don't think you have it any different because you don't. We won't see a truly "great" superhero movie in our lifetimes I imagine. That would require creativity which neither publisher's parent companies care about.

>>87565398
>I thought that was really clear, are there really people confused about that scene?
People question really obvious things in Marvel movies and then pretend it's a plothole or something dumb all the time

>>87563992
Mister Doctor was the standout but it got a little redeemed by
>Maybe it is. Who am I to judge?

>>87565299
Sure, my bad
But that changes nothing. It's still misplaced humor that ruins a scene.

>>87565405
>the joke wasn't really funny
That was the point. The humor came from Wong laughing at some dumb comment rather than any of the funnier quips Strange had throughout the movie. I can understand not finding the scene funny, but if you can't understand the intended humor of the scene you're genuinely stupid.

Also, I feel like it's lost on most people that the movie in a subtle way referenced and took the piss out of marvel quips with Wing doing it the most. His comment to strange after he went through the list of one name singers about "Does that work for you" built on the fact that the quips weren't that funny. The scene of him laughing at the end was another example.

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>>87565450
>We won't see a truly "great" superhero movie in our lifetimes I imagine

ok then

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>>87565320
I'd like to be sheathed in Katana, if you know what I mean.

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>>87565450
>And DC fans, don't think you have it any different because you don't. We won't see a truly "great" superhero movie in our lifetimes I imagine.
BvS. Checkmate.

>>87565320
*teleports behind you*

>>87563992
The bit with Strange listing a bunch of one-name celebrities to Wong dragged a bit

>>87565559
BvS sucked! get over it

>>87563399
>t this point this is no longer just lighting the mood, now quips actually ruin all tension and drama.
I never understand why anyone can think a joke of any sort can ruin the mood. If it can, there was no mood to begin with.

People poop their pants when they die. If that ruins the sadness or horror you feel at death, you didn't care about the person to begin with.

There needs to be more incidental humor. Like things that are funny to the audience, but aren't in-universe. Some examples are like Indy shooting the sword guy in Raiders of the Lost Ark, or him getting whacked in the chin by the mirror later in the film.

>>87565511
elaborate

>>87564853
>Not sure what the problem is with the wifi password though.
It was a joke in the trailer so kino fags can harp on it without actually having to see the movie.

>>87563399
Doctor Strange should've been completely quipless, he's not a comedic character.

>>87565615
I'd take my pOnOs
put it in her vagOOO
J-JAM IT IN

>>87565578
>still in denial

LOL

>>87565681
No, different person. The movie sucked, period. or are you saying Your in Denial, if so then ok that makes sense.

>>87565625
I disagree.

>>87565625
False

>>87565869
>different person
>that makes me right!
Nope, it just means 2 people are in denial. Keep crying, BvS is the greatest movie of all time.

>>87565625

It should be a dry humor like Alfred

>>87565875
You disagree?

I imagine the humor felt out of place to some because it was mostly added during reshoots by Dan Harmon rather than the original writers of the movie.

>>87565942
I would've accepted because Strange is supposed to be an old man, they shouldn't have casted Benedict.

>>87563399
You're not the only one. My biggest complaint with the movie was the hamfisted humor.

It should've ended with the "we're not savages" line, but no - it kept going and going.

>>87565572
That was set-up for Wong letting him know he wasn't funny

>>87566136
And the setup went on too long, in my opinion

>>87563399

Honestly Marvel's habit of nerfing then killing off good villains is harming far more than quips.

>>87565681
So many people are in denial about enjoying BvS. There was a Strangeposting thread yesterday and a guy said

>I should note that I've seen BvS three times (not because I like it mind you, I just wanted to understand my feelings about it)

He could have easily have said

>I should note that I've sucked a dick three times (not because I'm gay mind you, I just wanted to understand my feelings about it)

>>87563399
But that is how the cape works. The cape is alive and is Dr. Strange's friend, not an artifact like Mjolnir. It does stuff like that occasionally in the comics. The fact that Dr. Strange is still a newbie to magical knowledge means the cape was more active.

>>87566474
That's actually hilarious. Why was he talking about BvS in a Dr. Strange thread? I only do it if other people bring it up.

>>87563399
I see how the jokes in this movie worked to the detriment of this movie, but I laughed at most of the comedy and enjoyed the movie overall immensely so I don't really care too much. Yeah, they should watch that shit for the sequel, but at least for the first viewing, it was fine.
The movie was too good to be brought down by some tonal inconsistencies.

>>87566743
>to the detriment of this movie
*to the detriment of the drama in this movie

>>87566710
Someone else brought it up like they always do.

Haven't seen the movie, but it can't be worse than the Mandarin. At this point you should know what to expect from a Marvel movie, which I why I'm unlikely to watch anymore unless the Russo's are involved. It's a shame so much cape is also bundled with Action Comedy because while I find the first genre interesting I couldn't care less about the later. I'm a horror guy.

>>87565595
>People poop their pants when they die. If that ruins the sadness or horror you feel at death, you didn't care about the person to begin with

There's a reason this never ever happens in movies.

>I never understand why anyone can think a joke of any sort can ruin the mood

Can you imagine a quip being forced into this scene?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8pWjiFxXkg

It used to be that most movie directors understood that they needed to segregate their funny scenes from their serious ones, so they'd explicitly create "comic relief characters," designated for humor, and then shoo them away when they needed things to become either dramatic or scary. Marvel doesn't get this. Everyone is a comic relief character.

>>87564408
>but it just feels like they had some sort of quota to fill

This is the mindset I've always felt was present in regard to the MCU and that is definitely present in regard to the DCEU now; these films aren't the way they are due to some sort of creative vision. I have a friend, who doesn't read comics, who once said, "it's a superhero movie so it needs to have jokes," unironically. Those are the expectations amongst casuals so that's what we get.

whats wrong? i found that scene hilarious, especially when it turns out the cape made a better choice than strange would have

cape for president?

>>87567051
>Haven't seen the movie, but it can't be worse than the Mandarin.

Why do people hate Iron Man 3? It's the most genuinely funny and entertaining movie in the MCU.

>>87564692
You are a person. Therefore, you too are an idiot.

>>87564349
>playing it straight makes it grimdark
u ever see Winter Soldier

>>87568551
He didn't say a person is an idiot, only that people are idiot.

Persons are great, people are horrible.

>>87563992
Mister doctor, the dumb part where Strange kept saying popular celebrity names at Wong and the cape thing after the Ancient One dies were incredibly bad jokes/tone breaking moments.

>>87565090
This is why Doss didn't want a movie made about him, they were bound to leave something out.

>first confrontation between hero and antagonist
>fairly small/ intimate confrontation in which people have died
>shit it could be a bit heavy let's have a mister doctor and running cape gag to pretend someone wasn't impaled through the chest a few minutes ago
>that will set the audience up to treat a heart-to-heart between our protagonist and his mentor/ peer about the real world consequences of his studies and the need to be willing to face death or take the lives of others with the respect those topics deserve

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>87564618
It's magic and it chose him so it obviously had an affinity for him.

>>87565600
the scene with the sword guy is still one of my favorites ever

>>87564067
>>87564083
I took it more as him mocking the man he was about to murder horribly. Like a cat playing with a mouse, batting it around before it eats it.

>>87565090
>Religion is not an excuse to be a pussy.
Did you read the man's MoH citation? "Pussy" is not a word that can be used to describe him. "Tough motherfucker," however, is.