Harvey Beaks is coming to NickToons

>>87525646
>don't schedule the show properly
>thus, gets low ratings
>SHIT THE SHOW SUCKS GUESS WE HAVE TO DUMP IT ALL AT ONE TIME

it's a wonder that they finished production before Nick thought of outright halting it

>>87525714
It's great. Greenblatt deserves it for saying Nick's scheduling was better than Cartoon Network's. Nickelodeon has always had the worst scheduling.

>>87525714
The thing is, Nick doesn't care about a reason for a show doing badly. If a show is doing badly, it's not making a ton of money and thus, there's no reason to continue it.

They can fill that slot with some other memetic bullcrap and make way more money, so WHY wouldn't they?

>>87525714
It was obvious so it's nice Carl was smart enough to write a finale at the end of season 2
>>87525740
Carl said Nick gave him more creative freedom than CN.
And Chowder was fucked durning the CN Real era and durning that time CN was way more fucked up than Nick.

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At least we're getting a finale and we never had to be potentially disappointed with what Max Charles' post-puberty Harvey voice would be like.
I'll enjoy the ride. It was a good run, though I would have loved another season.

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>>87525714
This was said in an earlier thread but what's perverse is that Nick said yes to almost anything Carl asked for during production. So they sank a lot of money into the show and then did everything they could to squander their investment.

>>87525779
>memetic bullcrap
I think Nick never actually did something flat out memetic on their show, only in promos. The promos are used for a month or two while NO ME GUSTA and twerking Bubbles will be with us forever

>>87525825
Chowder aired consistently on the network's premiere block alongside Flapjack and Total Drama. Get your facts straight.

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>>87525923
Remember when Chowder had a "THE CAKE IS A LIE" joke?
Harvey Beaks also literally had an episode about memes, though it didn't have any explicit references and I liked it.

>>87525828
Stop, I though they finale was just the last episode? Why do they have to pitch it to the network seperately. What if finale special is meant to be the 53rd episode and Viacom won't give them a budget for another episode

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>>87525646
I'm surprised it took this long.

>>87526029
>Why do they have to pitch it to the network seperately.

Probably because if it's gonna be a for-real finale Nick has to sign off on officially ending the show.

Corporations are weird. They'll kill something through negligence but still usually want to reserve the right to continue it whenever they wish even if that will realistically never happen.

>>87525982
You are the one wo don't know shit. Even then Carl was mad on his blogspot that Chowder had it's third timeslot change and CN had no mention of it durning their promo campaign

>>87526097
>They'll kill something through negligence but still usually want to reserve the right to continue it whenever they wish even if that will realistically never happen.
It can always happen. Weirder reboots have happened. Why make a complete ending when it COULD become a cult classic that you reboot in many years? You lose almost nothing by keeping it.

>>87526029
The staff has been dwindling through the year, maybe production has slowed to a Venture Bros-like pace due to staff cuts, and they're just now getting around to #52
If it doesn't happen my heart will be broken

>>87526109
It moved with all of their other premieres. The network was going through issues at the time and they were trying out other blocks. If they shoved Chowder off on its own, it would be understandable to be pissed, but it ALWAYS aired next to Cartoon Network's other big shows.

They settled on Har Har Tharsdays for the longest time and Chowder was a staple on the block.

Cartoon Network didn't abandon the show and send its premieres to Boomerang.

>>87526008
>Harvey Beaks also literally had an episode about memes, though it didn't have any explicit references and I liked it.
What episode are you talking about? Kathy with a K was very well done and it didn't mention any current internet memes that will sound dated next year

>>87526184
Not him I think that was the point. It didn't directly use any real-world dated memes but was still about people joining in the "leaf girl" fad who didn't actually care about Kathy or her leaves.

>>87525646
I kept saying this would happen. Nobody believed me.

This is literally how 95% of Nicktoons end. Burned off on their secondary channel.

>>87526239
Korra didn't even accomplish that, they kicked it to online and they still gave them the courtesy of finishing it

Do you think they'll air the Christmas special on Nickelodeon? They let Invader Zim do it even though they didn't air any other episodes from that season in the US

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Are there any Nicktoons streams? Do any uploaders have the channel?

>>87526183
Well Harvey's first season was premiered with a block and the second season had a prime-time support of The Loud House. That's why, in general, the second season did better than the first one. Chowder was released before Cartoon Network rebranded Boomerang so they had to continue the show on the main channel. At the time CN had no new original animated series and they cut the promos of their old animated shows to almost nothing. Chowder wasn't a complete rating failure judging by other CN premieres and unfortunately Harvey Beaks is.

Does this warrant even a petition?
I love this show dearly and I'm sad to see it slowly die :(

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>>87526430
I've got em
>>87526502
The ratings weren't great, there's no merch sales to show. I don't think there's much hope and Carl seems to have accepted it's over. I'm sure he'll move onto something else, I would really like to see him direct on Country Club since that's where almost everyone else is going

>>87525646
>That probably means we'll have two new half-hours every week starting with November 20
So it's ending even faster then we thought?
I wonder if Harvey will even be remembered. If any of you have kids, try to show them this.

>>87526239
Yeah, me too, anons over here were mad at me for saying the obvious.
>>87526328
I think the Halloween special was the boiling point. They actually promoted it and had new Spongebob and Loud House before it, and only Harvey's ratings tanked.
>>87526430
Nope, NickToons is way to unpopular and has no new original shows that are popular enough for people to demand a livestream. The anon ITT who rips the show said he has it though

>>87525646
>only good show left
>kick it to sister channel

Fuck Nickelodeon up their ass. No show deserves this. Not even Pig Goat Banana Cricket or Breadwinners deserve to die in such a slot. What a joke.

>>87526556
>There's no merch sales to show.

Has there been any merch for Harvey Beaks yet?

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>>87526576
>They actually promoted it and had new Spongebob and Loud House before it, and only Harvey's ratings tanked.
That's fucking depressing.

>>87526556
>Country Club
Were there any threads for this? Everyone's different colours like in Doug.

>>87526673
The comics and pretty much nothing else.

>>87526644
>deserve to die in such a slot. What a joke.
Didn't something similar happen to WoY?
Being kicked from Disney to Disney XD that is.

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>>87526644
I kind of take a bit of comfort in that I loved Nicktoons Network as a kid and watched it more than Nickelodeon or CN at the time.
It's not nearly as unique in identity anymore but I'm still going to be comfy in bed watching some Harvey. It's unfortunate that a lot of people weren't so fortunate as to have had digital cable growing up (or now).

>>87526572
>So it's ending even faster then we thought?
Yup, that's what I meant, but apparently the finale is only getting pitched now.
>I wonder if Harvey will even be remembered. If any of you have kids, try to show them this.
I honestly think it will, even though the show is a failure for Nick and is unpopular with older audiences (that's why no one here or on Tumblr raves about it). It still shows better ratings than almost everything on CN and certainly on Disney XD. So at least the kids are watching it and maybe in 10-15 years there will be a bunch of young adults who will be obsessed with this show because of nostalgia. I will definetely buy all the comics and will hope Shout Factory will give us a DVD, I haven't been such a fan of a show for a long time.

>>87526733
Disney pushed all their cartoons to XD to try to get people to order the channel.

>>87526814
If we all sent messages to Shout Factory about it it could very well happen, they've released Nick shows of lesser quality

>>87526733
They had this idea to make Disney Channel a family oriented kidcom network and give Disney XD more exposure by sending off all the hit shows over there. Nick was is a deeply dark age at the time so they had an audience to fight over. Nick is the #1 network again now by the way, but everything completely backfired after the finale of Gravity Falls. Now, every Disney branded network except for Junior flopped and they try to return everything back rerunning Star and premiering Milo on the main Disney Channel. They ratings are better, but it's almost worse because they don't even hit 1M over there durning primetime and that's even lower than some CN originals

>>87526769
I've always adored the idea of a digital Nickeldeon Network, but my country only has Nick Jr and Nick HD (with the different schedule). They've been pushing TeenNick brand all over Europe though

>>87526957
Yeah, but for some reason they stopped at some point. Sanjay and Craig had no season 2/3 and Breadwinners had no season 2.

>>87527231
Probably because those didn't sell well because there was no actual demand.
If we let them know the show actually has a few fans and people buy it they may reconsider.
They're still manufacturing all their Nick sets so I don't think the licensing agreement ran out

>>87527287
The amount of fans is not enough to be honest. They may still try out the first season and cancell the release of the second afterwards.

>>87527366
I'd buy a copy for myself and give one to all my friends who have kids.

>>87527366
We could wait until after the show wraps and and hope for a complete series set, like Robot and Monster got through Amazon, which was a much more catastrophic flop.
I'm still pretty unhappy that there's not Mighty B! set

>>87526572
Also Country Club may be a hit, it Disney promotes it well and Rob Renzetti has a good reputation, maybe some fans of the show will check Harvey out

>>87527486
I hope so, there's a lot of talent (which implies quality) for sure, and Disney XD may actually promote it and rerun it

>>87526556
>would really like to see him direct on Country Club since that's where almost everyone else is going
I feel like if Clarence really is getting chopped (Cartoon Network better not even TRY), most of the crew'll move to Country Club as well, forming the ultimate Harvey Beaks/Clarence collaboration.

>>87527598
Yeah, I think what killed Harvey's more crossover/general audience in the end was the perception that it was a bit more of a younger-audience show. They did actually air it on Nick Jr (by accident?) a number of times. If CC is a bit more subversive and energetic than Harvey like Clarence it might have a shot

>>87527480
>We could wait until after the show wraps and and hope for a complete series set, like Robot and Monster got through Amazon, which was a much more catastrophic flop.
Robot and Monster was probably easier to produce, since it had just one season. Amazon probably produced it due to popularity on their streaming service/online shop. My ex loved this show and I digged the artstyle, even though I rarely like CGI tv-shows.
>I'm still pretty unhappy that there's not Mighty B! set
I was just browing this show on Amazon. It's one of my fave nicktoons, it's kinda respected with animation fans and Amy Poehler has a following, I don't get why they never pressed it

>>87527708
Gotta start write-in campaigns. Doing so to start production on a new season of a show is usually an exercise in futility, but DVD releases might be doable. Especially when Amazon burn-on-demand is such a low financial risk for them. And Shout Factory has produced several massive complete series sets at extremely low prices (Hey Arnold, Rocko, Angry Beavers). Harvey Beaks had a much shorter run than those

>>87526008
>Remember when Chowder had a "THE CAKE IS A LIE" joke
No, I actually don't. That kind of makes the point counter to your argument.

>>87527690
I remember having a conversation with one anon over here who tried to convince me that Harvey Beaks is a show for pre-schoolers because there's a lesson every episode.
Nick tested Loud House, Harvey and, randomly, Kung Fu Panda on Nick Jr because it's their #2 network and Nick stops at 8PM(?) and becomes Nick@Nite. It's not dumb in my opinion, reruns over there might help since preschoolers are an important audience

>>87527971
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UOu0zb0fsI

>>87527830
We can always try and I'll def support it

>>87528045
REMINDER THAT HAVEY BEAKS WILL END UP WITH MORE EPISODES THAN CHOWDER

>>87528098
And hasn't dwindled in quality nearly as much

>>87528124
Some retarded Michelle haters claim otherwise but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRvpGGc9Jv8

>>87527044
Disney really dropped the ball by cancelling Wander.

They seem to be running out of quality cartoons. All they have left is Star Vs and Milo's Law

>>87528262
Atomic Puppet is Canadian but it's seriously totally competent in writing and animation. I was surprised by how non-shit it is

>>87528262
They also fucked Invader Zim's creator over.
But they have announced Country Club, Billy Dilley, Duck Tales reboot, Big Hero 8 show and unnamed Thurop Van Orman project

>>87528410
No one on Nick has been fucked as badly as Amy Winfrey.

>Make a flash series called Making Fiends
>Someone on Nick wants to make a series out of it because their kid liked watching it online
>Air it on Nicktoons and it becomes the most popular show at the time despite the time slot
>Air only six episodes while holding on to the six more episodes that got made and finished
>Cancel the show without fanfare making it go away as fast as it arrived for you on Nicktoons
>Own the show and all its related property thus making it impossible for anyone to release their unaired episodes online

That bitch had her show taken from her at just six episodes despite this had an audience right from the start and we will never have the other episodes that Nick made because of "reasons."

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Is he okay?

Also, the Pig Goat Banana Cricket creator got a new show on TeleToon. (I wonder, what US network will buy the rights)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oILQNK_i5xc
Reminder that PGBC got the same episode order while having ratigs twice as low as Harvey Beaks, it got second season before the premiere. Nick really wants that credibility back, their cancellation of El Tigre was very messy

>>87528621
You can feel the pain in his words. This man was pure as Harvey himself.

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>>87528621
Oh man, he is not mincing words

>>87528581
Well at least she got her rights back and makes the show again. Disney left all rights to Very Important House to themselves

>>87528621
Aw man.
can't you get in trouble for saying this sort of stuff about the network your working for?

>>87528627
>their cancellation of El Tigre was very messy

It was?

>>87528621
Holy shit, this is actually legit?

>>87528735>>87528621
I was honestly scared to go to his tumblr. He was so optimistic with Nick back when I was sure the show's run there was over

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>>87528767
http://chgreenblatt.tumblr.com/post/152838892422/i-just-saw-on-twitter-that-the-final-episodes-of

>>87528737
How did she get it back? Doesn't she work on Bojack Horseman now? And how come no one has asked her to release the other six episodes?

>>87528749
Well he doesn't gives a fuck, the show is already cancelled

>>87528822
If my show was getting cancelled, I would probably make up false terrible things about them and pee in the Boss's coffee

>>87528814
I don't know, but she has released new episodes of the original web show after the NickToons run ended. Maybe the remaining TV episodes weren't finished properly, kinda like Angry Beavers

>>87525646
Nice, I'll finally get to fucking watch it.

Idk what Nick thinks they're doing with their scheduling, but it's fucking shit.

>>87528867
Aw, they know exactly what they are doing, making more money of Spongebob and Loud House reruns than of original nicktoons premieres

>>87528867
Let's face it, every network has shit scheduling.

Cartoon Network hasn't aired Adventure Time in ages and Steven Universe's new episodes premieres are inconsistent and to top it all off they mostly air TTGo.

And Disney XD has maybe a few weeks of new episodes but immediately goes to hiatus afterward

>>87525825
>Carl said Nick gave him more creative freedom than CN.
I doubt that given the crazy shit Chowder got away with.

>>87529083
Well that's what he said, maybe he knows better

>>87529131
Apparently not since a few months ago he still convinced that Nick believed in Harvey Beaks while fucking it in the ass.

>>87529083
CN is infamously cheap, so maybe Nick gave hima bigger budget

>>87529266
Completely diferent people handle scheduling and production though. Creative freedom has nothing to do with burning off a finished show on NickToons

>>87529270
They're cheap now with all of their NuCalArts bullshit but in 2007 their cartoons still had decent budgets.

>>87525646
>Nick in charge of scheduling

I used to think they were evil but now I'm pretty sure it's just incompetence.

Kill moe that sucks.

>>87528621
>>87528735
Seriously, what point is there in being an animator when every channel is so royally shit at scheduling?

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>>87528621
>>87528735

>his smile and optimism: gone

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>those recent answers http://chgreenblatt.tumblr.com
Greenblatt is having a meltdown

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>>87530010
inb4 the antagonist of one episode is a lion called Nick who can only be calmed through money.

>>87528621

>ZOMG I can't believe business companies make decisions based on profits!! HOW COULD THEY DO THIS TO ME

>>87529967
Moral of the story: make cartoons for the internet

Upside: unlimited freedom

Downside: constant hiatus after every episode unless you have a team of writers and animators, harder to get noticed, incredibly low budget, er...

You know what, nevermind.

Being an animator is terrible no matter how you look at it.
Be a barber, most people have hair and they can't cut it themselves

>>87530267
Nigga gonna get blacklisted from every company.

>>87530323
>Be a barber, most people have hair and they can't cut it themselves
Better yet, be a mortician; everyone drops dead at some point.

>muh scheduling
It had the same scheduling as Loud House, even having it and Spongebob as lead ins and it still tanked. Kids just weren't interested in Library Gumball, guess they should've had more screaming.

>>87530378
I feel sorry for the guy and all. It ducks that good cartoons get cancelled all the time, but, it's incredibly unrealistic to get more airings than Spongebob

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>>87530267
>>87530010
>>87528621
I don't get it - he knew about cancellation for a while, why is he melting just now?

>>87530480
Pressure kept building up I assume.

If you keep bottling your emotions, its bound to burst eventually.

>>87530443
Durning second season, yes, but at that time kids were not familiar with the main characters. First season was treated poorly and it ran durning Nick darkest ratings era

>>87530378
He's spitting some real truth here, but it sounds like he's having a very unhappy Sunday night

If I had a tumblr, I would send him a message to make him feel better...

>>87530267
This is really sad, and it's clear he's venting, but he is definitely going overboard. I mean, the poor promotion of Harvey Beaks was ages ago, now it had an equal chance to pick up along with the other shows this year and just fell short. Hell, more people stuck around with FoP than Harvey Beaks this year, and the former is coming off it's worst season, even if I'm seeing a lot of word of mouth over it getting better.

I think he wants to blame it all on scheduling to make up for the fact that his show simply didnt gain enough traction. Here >>87530378 he admits Spongebob is an established 18 year powerhouse, and is wondering why they air it a lot more than his show? It's literally the highest rated kids cartoon on air.

>>87530323
>the internet
Larry Bundy is now making top 5 lists and Hotdiggedy is making reviews. I mean, those vids are fine, but all I can think of is how Youtube prioritized Lets Plays over original animation. And it's not like I'd ever have enough faith to go to the trainwreck that is Cartoon Hangover.
Honestly, everywhere sucks man. It's disappointing and all about luck.

>>87530480
He feels like premiering the full show on main network would've given his work justice. Sending it to NickToons will make the remaining episodes fade into obscurity

>>87530578
The whole netflix cartoon area seem to be working so far.

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>>87530480
His cartoon is getting sent to the equivalent of a retirement home where cockroaches crawl on you at night and nurses never change your bedpan.

>>87530578
The problem is that Nick never reruned the show. Loud House got reruns, Alvin got reruns. PGBC never got reruns and it's doing even worse than Harvey

>>87530645
They haven't ordered a single creator-driven children's animated series

HEY TUMBLR ANONS, HOW ABOUT SENDING CARL A LINK TO THIS THREAD?
The writers previously posted on /co/ and said they mentioned threads over here to him few times, maybe he can spill more beans on this platform

>>87530780
That's a retarded idea.

He already said he's done venting. Just let him be.

>>87530734
What about Kulipari?

>>87530645
It's pretty much another Animation Domination Hi Definition.

>>87530692
This is a problem I will definitely place squarely on Nick, yes. I actually notice that FoP, Harvey Beaks, and PGBC never had reruns. FoP can survive on that because it's established but the others would have problems.

I think everyone is trying to be everyone else now and it's screwing us. Suddenly everyone does week long marathons now because of CN, and trying to make us hungry for new episodes by starving us of them like Disney did to Gravity Falls.

I think what could have saved the show is a greater push of syndicating it in other countries. So the live airings wont mean as much when it's airing in a million other countries. Like Ben 10 and FoP again.

>>87530802
And then continued venting

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>>87530683
>the people do not yet own the means of cartoon production

Soon

Should we make him and his staff a card, /co/?

>>87530859
>
I think everyone is trying to be everyone else now and it's screwing us. Suddenly everyone does week long marathons now because of CN, and trying to make us hungry for new episodes by starving us of them like Disney did to Gravity Falls.

But didn't Disney put Gravity Falls on long hiatuses because they knew the Creator wanted to end it and were trying to milk it as long as they could??

Also, fuck CN for this week long bomb trend they started

>>87530830
I can hardly call it a creator-driven cartoon
>>87530859
>and trying to make us hungry for new episodes by starving us of them like Disney did to Gravity Falls.
I thought they showed the episodes right after they finished them, instead of waiting for the whole season to be drawn
And the only network that still does the bomb format is Nick

So, in honor of the show's untimely death and Greenblatt's current meltdown, does anyone have any links to this show? I can only find the first ten episodes.

>>87530925
Well I know in GF's case a lot of it was apparently also Alex's fault? That's what I hear. I know the big bad corporations can easily get all the blame but I'm hesitant to do that sort of thing anymore.

>>87530992
Doesnt CN do that anymore? I legitimately havent seen CN in ages. I would have never guessed I'd be watching more Nick than CN in 2016 but here we are.

>>87531316
Just curious, but what did Alex do?

Same on that watching Nick more than CN thing.

CN has really went down the shitter this past year IMO

>>87531316
>Well I know in GF's case a lot of it was apparently also Alex's fault? That's what I hear. I know the big bad corporations can easily get all the blame but I'm hesitant to do that sort of thing anymore.
Otherwise we would've had one huge hiatus and the full 2b season afterwards. Disney XD showed the episodes when the team finished them.
>Doesnt CN do that anymore?
The last time they did it was with SU this summer and they showed two or three casual premieres afterwards
>I legitimately havent seen CN in ages. I would have never guessed I'd be watching more Nick than CN in 2016 but here we are.
Yeah, me too, I though Disney XD would be my new fave but they majorly fucked shit up (I still have faith in their new shows, can't say the same about OK KO Let's be Heroes and Mighty Magiswords though)

>>87531316
>the big bad corporations

>saying this ironically

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>got shafted by Cartoon Network
>got shafted by Nickelodeon
All that's left is Disney. New show when?

>>87531509
He was a director on Fish Hooks (a vast majority of the episodes were directed by him and Chowder creative director/fellow classic spongebob boarder William Reiss)

>>87531412
Yes they have. You know CN has gone to shit when Nick long runner cartoons are more interesting to me than most of their lineup. Hell, Alvin and the Chipmunks is more interesting.

>>87531443
Disney XD should be the best right now, but they went and cancelled every old cartoon they had and havent premiered any new ones, so it's a transitional period where the only interesting things to watch on the channel are reruns and Star Vs and Lab Rats

>>87531412
I'm not sure, something about bad time management? And how he apparently scrapped all of season 3 which hurt every single character in Season 2b.

>>87531509
When Wander gets renewed.

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>>87531579
Can't wait for Billy Dilley to premier

>>87531509
Wasn't he a Fish Hooks writer? Now that's the show that didn't deserve it's long run.
Honestly, Disney is even more fucked than CN and Nick both, based on overall XD network buffoonery (Look and Milo's ratings) and they already have a shit ton of showrunners battling for budget over there. I hope he will be a writer on Country Club

>>87531579
>Disney XD should be the best right now, but they went and cancelled every old cartoon they had and havent premiered any new ones, so it's a transitional period where the only interesting things to watch on the channel are reruns and Star Vs and Lab Rats

But they have Milo Murphy's Law and I love that show.

Still pretty pissed about Wander's cancellation tho

>>87530267
>This
>A meltdown

It's pretty mild, all things considered. I guess it's extreme for Carl, considering how softspoken the guy usually is.

>>87531624
I'm so mad they handeled Milo's premiere so poorly. The show could've been a hit, it got big budget based on animation, original music and celebrity guest actors. The show premiered on XD with no hype whatsoever with hideous ratings, like NickToons levels of ratings. Then, Disney backpedaled and aired it on Disney Channel, but the ratings were the lowest Harvey Beaks numbers. And Disney used to be Nick's biggest rival

>>87531624
Right. And that's pretty damn great. Which reminds me of what >>87531443 mentioned.

Disney XD's new shows look good. Country Clubbed has a good slate of writers, untitled McCracken pitch has to be good, and Milo is pretty damn great.

Nick is looking hopeful too. I have high hopes for Welcome to the Wayne, Loud House has been okay and I'm expecting Hartman's Bunsen with a Beast to at least be better than TUFF Puppy. And while I thought Pinkey Malinkey was gonna be bad, the clips Ive seen online warmed me to it greatly.

But nothing CN has looks promising. Twelve Forever looks damn terrible. Two webshows being bumped up to full cartoons, and Magiswords looks like wasted potential OK Ko being messed with a tonne apparently.The exception being Infinity Train which looked so fucking fantastic that I got angry while watching it

>>87531597
The decent looking side characters cant make me ignore how off the main one is

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Holy shit.

>>87531568
>>87531621
It's weird how many notable people ended up getting involved with fish hooks: Justin Roiland, Greenbatt, Maxwell Atoms, William Reiss, Jackie Buscarino; Heck, It's what Alex Hirsch was doing before Gravity Falls and is where Joe Johnston, considered by many to be the best Steven Universe writer/boarder and is now a director, got his start

>>87531699
Ho lee shit

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>>87531695
>cant make me ignore how off the main one is
the picture on the left (by Character Designer Robertryan Cory) looks pretty decent

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>>87531699
...*unzips pants*

>>87531699
BIIIIIIIIIIIIIITCH, NOW THAT'S THE FUCKING T!

>>87531705
>all those names under one show
>the show itself was mediocre at best

That's hilarious.

>>87531695
>And while I thought Pinkey Malinkey was gonna be bad, the clips Ive seen online warmed me to it greatly.
Yeah, I loved new artsyle, new sidekicks and the comedy looks like something between The Amazing World Of Gumball and Modern Family
>Twelve Forever looks damn terrible
>The exception being Infinity Train which looked so fucking fantastic that I got angry while watching it
Were those two greenlit to full series?

>>87531750
Fish Hooks has its moments, but it definitely didn't deserve 3 fucking seasons

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>>87528621
>Season 2 is all there is. The rest will probably air on Nicktoons (excpet perhaps our Christmas special). But i did write a really special ending. I kind of took all my sadness about the series and put it into the finale.

>>87531705
All this talent wasted on such a basic-ass show and got fucking 110 half hours, while having pretty low ratings for that era of Disney Channel

>>87531750
It was ran by the Almost Naked Animals and Pickle and Peanut guy so all the talent in the world couldn't save it.

>>87531509
>got shafted by Cartoon Network

I don't get this, Chowder got away with a lot of shit, had decent to great animation at times, was treated like a prime time cartoon and wasn't sent over to their Cartoon Gulag (Boomarang)

Just how exactly did he get shafted anyways?

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>>87531699
Damn he is mad.

I think getting burned by two channels has made him get Gumball tier cynicism. I just hope he isnt dumb enough to run off to Disney feeling chipper about them next.

Now I wonder what he said about CN when it happened before. Harvey Beaks was technically a bigger success, with 52 episodes.

>>87531725
It does. A bit.

>>87531763
>Were those two greenlit to full series?
No, but I'm looking at all the stuff they have to pull from, pitch wise. I assume one of them may end up coming on eventually. Lakewood Plaza Turbo and Uncle Grandpa were on Youtube for years.

as for Pinkey, yeah. It felt a lot more subdued and slower paced than I expected. People are talking normally instead of screaming too

>>87531801
Premature cancelletion

>>87531824
>Gumball tier cynicism

Huh??

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Why are Nick-fags so delusional?

Harvey Beaks was a shit show only loved by waifu-fags, just like Loud House, just like Avatar, just like any god damned Nicktoon that gets talked about here.

Hey Arnold? Waifu-fags.

Invader Zim? More waifu-fags.

Fairly Odd piece of unfunny shit Parents? Fucking waifu-fags.

MLAATR? Danny Phantom? T.U.F.F. Puppy? Waifu-fags, waifu-fags, waifu-fags.

You can even establish a pattern with other less popular Nicktoons as well.

Ren and Stimpy? Popular until people realized there was minimal waifu potential, then it was thrown in the shitter.

SpongeBob? Early seasons, when Sandy was expected to hook up with SpongeBob, were the "best" but once the show moved away from that it somehow became bad.

Catdog? Pig Goat Banana Cricket? Sanjay and Craig? Ugliest shows on Nick channels and despite some efforts waifu-fagging just couldn't take off.

Burn in hell Waifu-beaks, you're just a drop in the waifu failure cesspool.

>>87531801
>was treated like a prime time cartoon and wasn't sent over to their Cartoon Gulag (Boomarang)
Cartoon Network never burn offs their shows on Boomerang, they do it on CN but without promos (look at Regular Show right now). At the time the channel wasn't even rebranded, newfag

>>87530314
Nigger, the reason Harvey Beaks got such bad ratings is because the network is awful at making good schedules for their cartoons.

And even if the show did badly regardless of that, you should at least respect it enough to run and advertise the last season on the main channel instead of death slotting it on a premium cable network that not every has.

I wonder who's saltier: Greenblatt, or Tartakovsky?

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>>87531837
Shut yer mouth, you jive turkey nigger.

>>87531840
Regular Show in Space actually did get a few commercials and actual advertisement on both tv and online.

Didn't help its shit ratings though

>>87531837
>>>/a/

>>87531833
Ah. I suppose that would suck in general.

He didn't seem to come off pissed from it though, http://nerdarmada.blogspot.com/2009/08/hot-girl.html

At the very least, compared to how he's reacting to Harvey Beaks getting the axe.

>>87531840
Chowder wasn't burned off, "newfag". They advertised the last episode and every season 3 episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVp9eCuuWnk

>>87531872
It was his firs big show. For a lot of people, getting fired for the first time isn't too big a deal because they feel like they can pick up and go elsewhere.

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>>87531837

I don't get why Greenblatt is so salty about Chowder's "premature" cancellation.

It got 3 seasons and a series finale.

It wasn't even as funny as it was during the previous two seasons it had.

It had a decent run

>>87531824
>No, but I'm looking at all the stuff they have to pull from, pitch wise. I assume one of them may end up coming on eventually. Lakewood Plaza Turbo and Uncle Grandpa were on Youtube for years.
Weren't both pilots that were greenlit at the time and posed on YouTube just because? I remember knowing Lakewood Plaza will be a more than a short for the longest times.

>>87531840
Please don't call me newfag.

See, I distinctly remember Chowder actually having promos even for its last legs even during the CN Real shit (also including Flapjack)

RS is another story. And while that sucks that it's ending is basically crashing, it's not the worst possible sendoff all things considered. They get to have one last hurrah and jump the shark.

>>87531872
Harvey was his pet project for close to a decade. It's understandable that he would get this mad when he decided to put faith into a company with his dream show when their credibility was at an all-time low, only for them to backstab him when he least suspected it.

>>87531837
Kys

>>87531833
3 seasons is pretty good.

>>87531899
That's why I think he's going super overboard here, and I cant help but not feel 100% on his side on this one. I think he puts his heart into his shows and then lashes out when they end.

>>87531837
Great memes shitlord

Here's your (you)

>>87531899
2 seasons.

>>87531837
Lol what a cheap-ass fucking bait, Nick is my fav top 3 network and I'm gay as fuck

>>87531887
This doesn't really answer my question about how he got shafted by CN. Three seasons (and this was when episodes were still 2 11 minute segments) and a finale are pretty decent for children's programming, if not the ideal.

>>87531910
Ah, that would indeed burn harder in that case.

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>>87531931
It also got nearly 100 segments for Christ's sake!

>>87531836
oh, I find Gumball to be a cynical show so I was using it as an adjective

>>87531905
I dont think that was the case for Lakewood. That was on Youtube forever. And I remember seeing it because a Pan Pizza list of pilots that need to be picked up.

>>87531837
>Early seasons, when Sandy was expected to hook up with SpongeBob, were the "best" but once the show moved away from that it somehow became bad.

Sandy was expected to hook up with Spongebob within the first half of S1. They dropped that idea very quickly.

>>87531942
See >>87531833

>>87531924
Nah, its nowhere near overboard desu. If it was still being aired on their main channel, it'd suck but whatever. At least he'd get that exposure and try again some other time.

Being relegated to Nicktoons is like being sent off to the discarded pile ala Korra Season 4 being online only. Not only that but he apparently took the risk cause he had faith in Nick to not do that exact thing which they're doing (casting aside other projects for the big marketable ones like FOP, Spongebob, and arguably Loud House at the moment)

>>87531967
Oh sorry, misread your post. I thought you meant Beaks

>>87531967
>that slashed episode count in S3

I don't know, that seems pretty fucked to me.

>>87531984
see
>>87531872
>http://nerdarmada.blogspot.com/2009/08/hot-girl.html

>"I didn't really think there'd be this many upsides to having a show officially cancelled by a network, but I'm feeling happier than I've been in a long time. Since we've only got post-production, my schedule finally eases up. I haven't had a break like this in a long, long time."

Please compare that to: http://chgreenblatt.tumblr.com/post/152838892422/i-just-saw-on-twitter-that-the-final-episodes-of

>You’re not the only one disappointed. I’m terribly disappointed in this Network. I’m disappointed that I put my faith in them. I’m disappointed that I spent 7 years of my life making something special for them to just throw away. I’m disappointed in so many things about them that I can’t even say it all. It’s hard going in to work every day feeling sad, angry and let down."

>>87532036
I'm sure that sucks, but it's definitely not the most unjust thing in cartoon history

>>87525841
I honestly wonder if there's some weird occult practice amongst networks where they create a sacrificial offering to some unknown beings in exchange for continued success, and the offerings in question are shows that actually have a huge amount of love and care put into them. Nurturing and creating a show that has so much potential, but is doomed to never reach those heights.

>>87531850
Tartakovsky at least got a chance to finish Samurai Jack. Oh god please don't tell me they canned it too.

>>87532047
If you're wondering ths difference between his reactions, read
>>87531872
>It was his firs big show. For a lot of people, getting fired for the first time isn't too big a deal because they feel like they can pick up and go elsewhere.
Learn to read and we won't take the discussion into full circle. Sorry you couldn't be helped, anon.

>>87531998
I mean, Korra being online only never stopped it from still being remembered by it's fans and the internet. Harvey Beaks going to Nictoons should do nothing to lessen it's impact online as only shows that never had much impact to begin with become obscure. plus I expect the Nicktoons move to end with more reruns on Nick itself, as even Sanjay and Craig had Nick premieres after moving to Nicktoons.

>>87532117
>"I'm assuming the circumstances of this person's reactions because otherwise it doesn't line up to my perspective."

I'm just saying, in black and white text he's very clearly leaving from each network in completely opposite emotional levels.

>>87525646
It sucks, the dude just loved making cartoons. It was his passion.

>>87532162
Not him but

He wouldnt have left for another network if he thought the previous one treated him right though. At least I dont think so. I know Craig only left CN because CN Real.

>>87532162
Well it's the only explanation that would make sense without personally asking him why his reactions were different. You're asking a loaded question that only he would know the answer for.

From what I understand, he's been working on Harvey for Nick since at least 2010, so it must be pretty hard to see years of work destroyed in one day
http://nerdarmada.blogspot.com/2010/04/as-one-thing-fades-away.html?m=1

>the best Spongebob writer AND the best Billy & Mandy writer gets treated like this

Fucking shame.

>>87531699
>Nick had to put a gun to Carl for damage control

Greenblatt is so fucking based. If I ever ran into him at a con, I'd buy him a beer.

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interesting....

>>87532312
This thread is making people forget that the other two are legitimately not any better right now.

>>87532336
Disney is probably your best bet.

But even there you can get prematurely canned

>>87532336
Disney XD is definetely not, CN are better in general at this point, but had a similar era so some showrunners hate them too
>>87532367
>WOY
>Very Important House

>>87532336
CN and Disney still have some shreds of credibility to them; they're not the best but for middle grounds for corporate and creative interests, they're the best we got at the moment other than trying the Netflix/Amazon/online route which has more than its fair share of obstacles to overcome that network/company backed projects simply do not. (that and most of the noteworthy original programming on those platforms tend to be produced by major companies anyways)

Nick has proven time and time again to screw you over if you're not instantly making SpongeBucks. I'm genuinely glad the Loud House dude seems to have hit a stride (even if what he made is pretty damn safe for a cartoon) when having to compete with Spongebob and that fucking Alvin cartoon that makes gangbuster ratings for no understandable reason.

>>87532400
Didn't CN air like 5 episodes of Regular Show with no promotion?

Plus they split SU and UG seasons in two and made them pretend it was actually them getting more seasons

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>>87531889

>Amy

Delet dis

>>87532432
Now that you mention UG, I forgot that's also basically going through what Harvey Beaks got into, complete with not letting the creator know of the cancellation till after the fact.

>>87532432
All networks are fucking shit, some less shit than others.

They only put up with it because making cartoons on your own is incredibly difficult

>>87530683
I see more of the dumping ground stuff than the main channel stuff these days.
everyone i know with DISH just dumps all there kids under 10 in front of CN for fucking lesbian gems and Teen titan go or literally just nicktoons.
it might get more ratings desu just from the TV being always on it.

>>87532312
Where did this came from? I feel like the shows from indie comic creators may give Nick a new renaissance
>>87532423
>CN and Disney still have some shreds of credibility to them;
Disney has been insanely unreliable since the shift to Disney XD. They did to McCracken what Nick did to Greenblatt. Even the amount of episodes is the same.
>and that fucking Alvin cartoon that makes gangbuster ratings for no understandable reason
Alvin is a huge franchise.

>>87532471
>>87532481
>>87532423
This thread just makes me feel sad about the future of animation.

Lot of interesting new and upcoming shows in this thread and I can't help but think about how they're all gonna get screwed by thier networks.

At least Fox treats your cartoon well as long as you get ratings. Well no, since they canceled American Dad while it was doing well to get a cheaper show in its place and then put Bob's Burgers back in the 7:30 slot so they can air 7 shows in a 4 show block

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Well, this fucking sucks.

Is the crew still allowed to update the HB social media after finishing the last episode? That was some nice supplementary stuff to look forward to.

>>87532559
To be fair, I think American Dad should have ended by now

It's ran it's course

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/tv/nickelodeon-forced-harvey-beaks-creator-c-h-greenblatt-apologize-cartoon-brew-144630.html

>>87528262
>Star Vs
>quality

>>87532610
It had a good run, but I dont like the idea of shows that are doing well in ratings, still liked critically and being profitable, and be a large part of your channel's history, and networks can shrug and can it anyways.

I never watched Aqua Teen but I'm entirely baffled by why it was cancelled

>>87532622
>Amid immediately jumping onto Greenblatt again just when the guy was done with his personal venting on his personal blog for clickbait.

Just how scummy can one guy get?

>>87532622
>cartoonbrew again

Is, like, on of their news peeps a diehard Carl fan? That was fast as heck.

>>87532653
I'll admit it isn't perfect, but I really enjoy it.

Can see why others wouldn't though

>>87532705
It's essentially Star being a spaz - the series. It has its moments and can do good stuff when it wants to, but it so rarely does

>>87532664
>>87532694
Cartoon Brew is a joke.

Like when that one writer went on a one man tirade against the Peanuts movie for being in CGI, even though it was clear they put a shit load of work into making the style as close to faithful as they could.

It got so bad animators from the movie came to the site to BTFO him

>>87532622
I mean, it's not like anyone can be surprised this would eventually happen. Carl has a right to be mad, but nobody would expect Nick to just lay their ass open like that

>>87532694
The animation industry is small. I'm pretty sure all cartoon creators and websites like this were all watching this in real time along with us.

And silently cheering at one of them could finally vent at their channel treating them bad.

And being glad it wasnt them this time

>>87532741
I disagree with you, but let's agree to disagree

Honestly, I think 52 half hours (102 segments) AND a conclusion of a finale is a great run for an animated sitcom.
Nick is definetely getting better with promotion tactics (the beginning of Harvey's season 2, The Loud House). New shows are also very promising, the fast burn-off of Pig Goat Banana Cricket and the way the completely rewrote Pinky Malinky shows they are finally tired of annoying SpongeBob types of characters. The fact that they are looking for >>87532312 indie comic artists is very promising. The fact that they are handling the revival specials with the original creators is awesome. And the ratings are growing.
The bad part is definetelly the scheduling. They are too fucking much: pre-school shows+animated shows+acquired shows+live action sitcoms+gameshows+new telenovela type of live action drama+half of the time they air old-school sitcoms. They have 5 networks but only 2 of them are popular enough and then there's SpongeBob spamming. They have to edit themselves and hire a better management, or at least try the Disney XD route with NickToons Network, while the other channels are so low.

>>87532664
https://twitter.com/cartoonbrew

He's trying to turn Greenblatt's little vents into a public spectacle.

>>87532622
I hope, y'all screencapped everything he posted on tumblr, because he's gonna wake up to a big scandal and can probably delete this. Nick can easily cancel the finale he pitched few days ago due to 'creative differences' or something like that, they already did this kind of shit to Angry Beavers.

>>87532653
>>87532705
>>87532741
>>87532776
For me, I'd agree with the guy who says it's not fantastic, but not for his reason. It feels like the show has no stakes, as so many things feel like things only happen because the writers had a cool beginning or end idea and didnt think the rest through.

>>87532819
I agree with all of this right now. Most of the Harvey Beaks problems are holdover issues from the show coming out during the dark Ages for the channel, they legitimately look to be trying more now. They even restarted their Nick shorts programs to get animators to get their shit out there. I fucking hate sounding like a shill because /co/ is filled with them but I just want to find SOMETHING to be optimistic about.

>>87532844
This just hurts both Greenblatt and Nick. Despicable.

>>87532743
>even though it was clear they put a shit load of work into making the style as close to faithful as they could.
Amid was right about that being a useless practice.

And in the end what we got was just "Peanuts' greatest hits" nostalgia manipulation instead of an original story.

>>87532551
>Disney has been insanely unreliable since the shift to Disney XD
I wish they would quit trying to push that damn premium channel or at least simulcast their shows on the Disney Channel too. Honestly, I'm not buying a more expensive channel package for just two or three good shows.

>>87532869
I thought the Angry Beavers thing was just them being dicks rather than anything to do with drama though

>>87532819
>the fast burn-off of Pig Goat Banana Cricket

That's not a good thing. They essentially produced what the network was asking for and quickly buried it because it wasn't the next Spongebob. That and interfering with the writing for another show is nowhere near signs of a network caring about its content creators.

And see, having that many segments would be great if people actually had a chance to see them. The off-reruns Harvey Beaks did get got sandwiched by blocks of Spongebob and Alvin and absolutely ensured it wouldn't have a fighting chance against them. And again, dumping the unaired episodes into the dumping ground that is Nicktoons is nowhere near respectable. (And people legitimately thought Korra was going to be the last instance of this since it got so much backlash for making Season 4 online exclusive)

"Thing I don't like getting burnt off" =/= a network learning to not treat their employees like shit while making a profit off their creative endeavors.

The indie comic approach is absolutely worrying too as it can be seen as preying on unsuspecting newcomers just to screw them over just as bad too.

>>87532872
>>87532844
>>87532743
What exactly is wrong with reporting on the public posts of a creator, and interesting introspective ones at that?

Y'all are turning into KC Green tier faggots.

>>87532903
Yeah, these posts have been pretty insightful

>>87532873
I dont think it's as easy as simply deciding to not do CGI in 20-whatever. In the end, they were pushing a more stylized CGI that is nearly nonexistent and showing what can be done with the medium.

The quality of the story has nothing to do with Blue Sky as it was written by one of Shultz(?)'s children I think

>>87532819
>>87532897
I think you're both being too optimistic/pessimistic.

>>87532873
You can still dislike the new Peanuts movie without defending CartoonBrew. They're a joke of a website masquerading think-pieces as news. Old /co/ threads would routinely mock their articles.

>>87532844
I sincerely cannot wait for the day Cartoon Brew and Amid die off in obscurity. They're literally the western animation Kotaku.

>>87532873
>you should not use CGI in different, artistic means that enables for art styles in films we've never seen before and perhaps can lead to a breeding ground of inspiration for more experimental and possibly groundbreaking methods.

This is literally just pleaing for conformity. You can personally dislike the movie but don't defend Amid/Cartoon Brew. That guy dicksucks John K. for having the balls to experiment TV animation with his model sheet free method that's just as useless of a practice.

>>87532903
>implying not cheap sensationalist shit

Amid, plz.

Carl vented to his concerned fans, not cartoon brew's followers.

>>87532903
>What exactly is wrong with reporting on the public posts of a creator, and interesting introspective ones at that?

The fact that many networks can blacklist creators if they get wind of them being critical about their practices, especially if its being framed like Amid is framing it as a "rallying cry" against Nick

>https://twitter.com/cartoonbrew
>"Greenblatt's frankness about Nick's shitty treatment of his passion is gutsy & demands respect—recognize that he's fighting for all artists!"

Tell me how that is not loading a statement with an intention not meant beyond anything than public venting? Cartoon Brew doesn't even care anyways, they're in it for the clicks just like any other site first and foremost, and what better way to get clicks than to stir up drama.

>>87532897
>That's not a good thing. They essentially produced what the network was asking for and quickly buried it because it wasn't the next Spongebob.
They ordered this show a long time ago, by the time they premiered it the creators started writing the second season. I loved the artstyle, but the main problem was with writing: a lot of characters were despertely trying to be Spongebob, they were loud, annoying and obnoxious and Nick was criticised for those kind of characters and shows for a long long time. I hope the way they gave up on PGBC and the fact that none of new nicktoons are centered along those type of characters shows that they finally stopped trying to find new Spongebob
>That and interfering with the writing for another show is nowhere near signs of a network caring about its content creators.
It's a sign of caring about their content and that's, I hope, will be their first step. Again, Pinky Malinky started from being an over the top annoyingly screaming creature (Spongebob) in the pilot to being your casual sitcom protogonist in the pitched show.
>And see, having that many segments would be great if people actually had a chance to see them. The off-reruns Harvey Beaks did get got sandwiched by blocks of Spongebob and Alvin and absolutely ensured it wouldn't have a fighting chance against them.
Harvey was premiered in limbo between two Nickelodeon eras, when they started caring about it, it was way too late, kids had no idea who those characters were. The Loud House was rerunned from the beginning and it helped a lot.
>"Thing I don't like getting burnt off" =/= a network learning to not treat their employees like shit while making a profit off their creative endeavors.
Based on facts, Nick pays it's employers more and gives them a bigger budget. They stop airing the shows on the main network when they stop being profitable. Even Carl said the studio treated him and Harvey perfectly, it's the network that treated the content poorly.

>>87532940
>>87532987
There's no point in CG trying to imitate 2d animation. Especially something like Peanuts which will always look better hand drawn because of the flat line based style. They might as well have done the entire thing traditionally since there were so many 2d sequences in the movie to begin with.

>>87533022
>>87533039

It's a public post on his public blog. Get over it.

>>87532903
First of all, it's his personal blog. He's replying to his fans and everything he's posting right now is completely emotion-driven. The guy is venting.

Second of all, if networks see you talking shit about them you get blacklisted. It doesn't even matter if you have a good reason to be upset and aren't a volatile person, your ass is trash.

>>87533073
>literally trying to justify screwing over creators just because "I didn't like it :/" or "it just wasn't the time"

I hope you don't try and apply to Nick anytime soon, I sincerely think the reality of having that situation happen to you can legitimately be an awful one.

>>87533083
Sure, and there's no point in trying to advance 2D animation either since that's a "dead medium" in the west, right?

>>87533097
Yes, it is a post on his blog that if he feels the need to delete later, he can. This isn't even touching on trying to add that unintended meaning Amid is slapping on for controversy clicks.

There's a difference between making updates for your followers and then having those updates spun into a story without your consent.

>>87528964
Contrary to popular belief, they aren't spamming TTG as much anymore and they've kinda adopted [AS]'s way of premiering episodes by just basically spacing things out so they can have at least 1 new episode of something a week.

Plus, in terms of daily scheduling, Nick is by far the shittiest.

>>87533097
I remember when news wasnt about being as fast as possble. Letting things cool off and allowing more things to happen before diving into a story. Good times

>>87533083
There is no point in trying to make CG do new things? Hello Amid

>>87533161
>in terms of daily scheduling, Nick is by far the shittiest.
It isnt 2011 anymore.

>>87533139
>There's a difference between making updates for your followers and then having those updates spun into a story without your consent.
Dude, he put it on the internet for all to see and screencap. The lesson here should be is this, when you vent, don't do it in public. Keep your private thoughts private and don't post them so the world can see.

Honestly, don't showcase your grievances until you're well out of the range of the people you're dragging(no matter how much they really deserve it)

>>87533175
So you're going to defend Nickelodeon's schedule for tomorrow (Excluding Nick Jr. and live action shit) of playing only 1 1/2 hours of Loud House and 3 1/2 hours of Spongebob?

Also, for that matter, is Loud House going to be in trouble soon?

>>87533139
>I hope you don't try and apply to Nick anytime soon, I sincerely think the reality of having that situation happen to you can legitimately be an awful one.
The creators got more money they would've have got on CN more possibility to be cut after season 2 on Disney XD based on statistics (Star is the only creator driven cartoon to ever have season 3 there and I'm not counting Gravity Falls, since is was Alex's decision). So how does Nick fuck them over more? Disney XD already is a premium network, so with them right now showrunners have a NickToons situation from the beginning.

>>87533097
>he's venting to his concerned fans on is tumblr, so I guess I can blurt about it on my giant animation news website!
>uses an image of a panicked Harvey
>not a tryhard

Stick to artist of the week articles, Amid.

>>87533212
>Also, for that matter, is Loud House going to be in trouble soon?
I don't think so, it's very consistent, even beats SpongeBob sometimes and aired 26 half hours in almost 6 months

>>87533212
>is LH in trouble soon
No it isn't.

Spongebob, LH and Live Action shit is actual variety. We don't care about the live action so its meh for us but this is nothing compared to the DAYS of almost nothing but Spongebob and ICarly. Or the 250+ Teen Titan Gos a week from last year

>>87533257
I'll take 2014 TTG heavy scheduling over 2010's Johnny Test heavy scheduling any day.

>>87533217
>The creators got more money they would've have got on CN more possibility to be cut

>[citation needed]

>>87533195
>Dude, he put it on the internet for all to see

This is true.

>and screencap.

This is not. You can screencap, true, and there's no stopping it to be spread, but you can avoid possible situations going to shit by just respecting the need to occasionally voice an opinion without turning it into something it's like unlike Amid is doing. Besides, this started off as Greenblatt updating on the show's new airing schedule which even then, they didn't tell him and he found out about it via Twitter, so it's fair to say that was going to cause some possibly emotionally driven posts followed suit.

Greenblatt and many other artists (hell, ANYONE honestly unless the situation absolutely requires reporting on it) are deserving of being able to express their thoughts without having someone generate sensationalist pieces out of it for whatever reasons. The guy especially couldn't have been any nicer considering the situation he was put in, and he specifically made it clear he was venting and nothing more.

I will say that ranging yourself before delving into to how much they suck is solid advice though, for any situation really.

>>87533120
Does Carl really care about not working for Nick again?

>>87533212
>Excluding Nick Jr. and live action shit
Let's not exclude it, it's their original content, no one gives a fuck that you are a young adult who only likes the non-preschool cartoons.
Today, Cartoon Network (excluding Adult Swim) airs 7 shows
Disney Channel (the only 24/7 channel) airs 22 shows
Nickelodeon (excluding Nick@Nite) airs 11 shows

I've never understood the appeal of HB for kids. What was with all the steampunk shit?

Kids want screaming and randumb humor.

>>87533338
It's not JUST Nick. That shit can catch wind in other studios and make them weary about picking you up for whatever position.

And while he can hate what happened to his show, that doesn't mean he wants to burn a possible bridge for a writing job or another attempt or so on. This is just ensuring he'll into more shit than before. Like at least he could delete the blog posts well after if he needs to.

Bear in mind that Amid reporting on him in the first place is what caused Nick to berate him over his Tumblr post for his very VERY mildly worded post: http://www.cartoonbrew.com/tv/c-h-greenblatt-not-thrilled-with-nicks-treatment-of-harvey-beaks-116928.html

>>87533285
>Doesn't know CN is cheap
>Can't open wikipedia to see the amount of season Disney XD's non supported by franchise/merch cartoons have

>>87533372
You're still not providing me with the apparent fat stacks Nick animators make. And from what I understand, all three basically pay pennies in comparison to what the properties generate (and even then they're still very cushion-y jobs.)

>>87533361
McCracken's burned bridges at CN but he had no problem getting work at Disney.

If other companies think you're hard to work with, that's one thing, but being screwed over by forces outside your control and being upset about it is different.

>>87533276
Same.

>>87533338
Blacklisted is more than one channel. If Greenbkat left CN in some drama and left Nick with bigger drama, I legitimately wonder what would come next. When Wander Over Yonder got canned, Craig was sad but just decided to pitch another show.

>>87533343
>Nick airs 11 shows

This doesn't seem right, they air like 6 or 7 Nick Jr shows alone. Or it feels that way. Its actually super fucking huge for them

>>87533285
>Greenblatt and many other artists (hell, ANYONE honestly unless the situation absolutely requires reporting on it) are deserving of being able to express their thoughts without having someone generate sensationalist pieces out of it for whatever reasons.
Everyone deserves that, but when you're on the internet prepare for your thoughts to be put out there and to be aired in a way for vultures/sensationalists to get pageviews. I'm not a fan of it either but in this day and age people should keep their inner thoughts in a place that can't be read by others.

Greenblatt should have waited until it was a proper time to do this, or at least word it in a way that made his point across without angering Nick too much.

>>87531699
>>87530378
>>87530267
>>87530010
>>87528735
>>87528621
This shit though, this will anger the people at Nick and quite possibly sour any other relations to other networks and media outlets. Calling a network a bunch of junkies is a surefire way of getting shit cancelled.

>>87533166
>I remember when news wasnt about being as fast as possble.
That's literally what news has always been.

>>87533238
>he's venting to his concerned fans on is tumblr, so I guess I can blurt about it on my giant animation news website!

Why not? He's an animation veteran and his talking about his experience with one of the biggest tv networks on the planet. If he didn't want new sites to report it, he should keep it in private.

You're getting pissy at Amid for no good reason.

>>87533397
The sad thing is, Nick may end up canning the show and leaving him worse off, and woikdnt really be jerks for doing so.

Greenblatt managed to make a situation where Nick was clearly more wrong into a situation where he can now have a lot of blame put on him as well

>>87533166
>There is no point in trying to make CG do new things?
It's not doing anything new, it's rehashing old techniques badly.

>>87533403
News was about being accurate, not fast. Now the push to be fast means news often gets things wrong and constantly has to update based on a developing stories

>>87531801
Remember CN Real?

>>87533353
My son has taken the path on liking the show.
He's probably gonna be sad to see the show go too soon.

>>87533397
>but when you're on the internet prepare for your thoughts to be put out there and to be aired in a way for vultures/sensationalists to get pageviews

No, fuck that. That's only been a thing as of late. And it always exaterbates the situation. You should absolutely be more critical of the outlets especially since they have just as much power to boost those statements as the creators do.

That being, I can't really disagree with your overall statement though. Shit just sucks in general.

>>87533423
What's not accurate about the Cartoon Brew article?

>>87533343
>Disney Channel
You talking about their main channel or XD?

Also, you may as well exclude all the preschool-daytime since it's not only very different demographics they're targeting, but the timeslots they're on guarantee at least 1 group WILL NOT be watching the other's shows.

So essentially, Monday is only 5 different shows.

>>87533361
>That shit can catch wind in other studios and make them weary about picking you up for whatever position.
Pretty much this. Just like when a director talks shit about the studio he just made a movie for. All these businesses are essentially just really small neighborhoods, where everyone knows everyone.

>>87533435
That was a reply to news prioritizing speed from day one, which isn't true, not a comment on the specific article

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>the most active HB thread we've had in weeks
>this is the topic

Just kill me

>>87533386
>McCracken's burned bridges at CN

I don't recall anything of the sort other than very light tweets about nuPPG, and even then he barely touched the subject. The only reason he couldn't move onto it was cause he's working with Disney. In fact his situation with Disney seems more bridge-burning than anything. And even then it's not as bad, just unfortunate.

>>87533437
If you're ignoring the shows, you should ignore the timeslots too.

This is getting complicated

>>87533435
Not that anon, but again, see: >>87533039

>"Greenblatt's frankness about Nick's shitty treatment of his passion is gutsy & demands respect—recognize that he's FIGHTING FOR ALL ARTISTS!"

>>87533454
This isn't a HB thread, its a thread about cartoons and scheduling and the big three channels in general

Which actually pretty much IS a typical HB thread come to think of it

>>87533467
You can ignore those timeslots then. It IS during school after all. That's why CN throws Scooby Doo movies and Tom and Jerry around then as well. It's as simple as that.

>>87533385
That's the talks on the animation blogs. Nick and Disney pay the same, CN pays less. And it's logical, Cartoon Network is the least popular channel of the three (exept for that short period of time in the beginning of 10's), they have less digital networks, they have less shows overall, they are less exposed internationally. For example, Adult Swim is the most consistent network for the biggest audience ad salers hunt (Male 18-35), even more than sports, huge conglomerates (including Disney) gave mad money to Vice to have a TV channel that brings that demographic back to TV. Adult Swim has that a huge chunk of than demographic on cable, even their biggest flops rate good, just look at every Nielsen report, but still, look how poorly they finance their original programming

>>87533471
God this makes me mad.

I hope the comments in the article are calling the article out, it I doubt it

>>87533410
>>87533429

>The sad thing is, Nick may end up canning the show and leaving him worse off

That's what I'm worried about and with the way Greenblatt acted(no matter how right he was) just made an already bad thing worse. Nick could just cancel the whole thing outright. Badmouthing a company you still work for is the first thing they tell you not to do. I can understand why he did it, but he should have not gone on a rant about it and perhaps have written his anger and grievances in a well thought out post or blogspot later on months down the road.

Spurting your thoughts in anger in a short amount of time, is a bad idea, makes you feel good for a few minutes but it will have long lasting impressions.

But yes, this whole thing just sucks in general.

To be fair, he's been posting the same stuff constantly for over a year now. This time is just slightly more concentrated.

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>"Nick will have aired Harvey just barely over 15 hours TOTAL for all of 2016. They run a lot more than 15 hours of Spongebob each week"

Holy shit.

>>87533437
>You talking about their main channel or XD?
The main channel. XD should be judged along with NickToons and Boomerang
>Also, you may as well exclude all the preschool-daytime since it's not only very different demographics they're targeting, but the timeslots they're on guarantee at least 1 group WILL NOT be watching the other's shows.
Hell the fuck no. Preschool content is one of the reasons Nick does so good. Believe me, a 3-6 year old boy or girl is a way more important demographic to a children's network, than every one who posted in this thread. And after Paw Patrol they'll watch Spongebob, Fairly OddParents and Loud House, they are completely acceptable for preschoolers and that's why they are aired in between of blocks of those shows. Remember yourself at that time?

>>87533484
>gave mad money to Vice to have a TV channel that brings that demographic back to TV.
>Trying to appease to millennials
>With television
In hindsight, that might have been a mistake.

http://www.adweek.com/news/television/viceland-suffers-low-ratings-despite-its-young-audience-173107

>>87533564
My 6 year old sister only became a fan of Spongebob because of that


And the Loud House and FoP commercials made her know of those too

I hope we don't get any more Harvey Beaks' on the channel going forward

>>87533564
Honestly, XD can't be put in the same bowl with Boomerang and Nicktoons. XD has come a long way from when they were transitioning from Toon Disney and it actually has it's own identity and airs nothing BUT originals (or did, dunno if they're changing their policy with cartoons or not).

Is Harvey Beaks the worst treated cartoon in cartoon history?

>>87533619
>I hope we don't get any more Harvey Beaks' on the channel going forward

A lot of people were hoping we wouldn't have gotten another Korra-esque situation over how badly that went over, and look what's happening.

>>87533648
CN's handling of the DC block still beats it.

>>87533581
>In hindsight, that might have been a mistake.
Maybe it is and maybe it's not, they already signed deals with, like, 40 international broadcasters so they may win at the end of the day.When I watched this huge interview with the heads of media companies, Viceland sounded more like a vanity project, to be honest. It's this huge chunk of critically acclaimed content, they already got an Emmy nom in just three months of existing, A+E are happy to be owners of something that will make their brand look hipper and cooler, even if it's not as profitable

>>87533648
Korra's still legendary in it's dicking.

>"It's a two season miniseries."
>"Haha wait nah, just one."
>"OOPS haha, we mean two again. Oh, and we don't have enough money to hire MIR again. Here, you get the Naruto people though. :^)"
>"Did we say two? We meant three."
>"Haha nah, we meant four. Oh and remember how you had your shit but consistent scheduling of Saturday mornings for season one? Yeah that's gone now, squeeze in with Spongebob reruns the best you can. You don't get reruns either though."
>"Oh and uh, for that fourth season we're just dumping it online haha. Thank you guys for all your hard work though! We'll remember you in our tax write-offs! :-)"

>>87533666
Satan also has a good point.

>>87533643
We are not talking about identity here, every single one of them had uniqueness at one point or another. NickToons Network had some hits at some point (Iron Man, Kappa Mickey), Boomerang's original shows rate comparable to Disney XD in Q4 of 2016. It's still a network that broadcasts in higher packages and has less households than top 3.

>>87533686
To be fair, putting it online was a panic decision after the first 4 eps of season 3 were extracted from ESP nick in the summer when the show was supposed to air in the fall.

>>87533686
Nick never wrote Korra off, though, they still rerun her in the US and internationally, they released it physically, they (still?) make bank of the comic book franchise. Again, the scheduling problem, before premiering Planet Sheen, Nick repeated long-time cancelled Jimmy Neutron on the main network durning early mornings. Nick stopped repeating ATLA because it's hard to do so with shows that break the status quo all the time (horizontal shows) and kids didn't fuck with Korra since the premiere. Year, the numbers were big, but they were mostly teens and young adults, that's why Nick pulled the show from Saturday morning premieres and that's when they stopped caring about her. Children's network won't give a fuck about a hit if it's not for kids, their partners won't buy ads durning this type of show

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>>87526691
Yeah. Country Club looks great!

>>87533908
I don't think a title that generic can be trademarked or anything.

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Someone saving these Carl posts? It hurts too much to read right now but I'm afraid they might get nuked later.

>>87534349
Yeah, I got them and am gonna complile them later today since I'm going to bed.

If you skim the thread people already took some too

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>>87534349
>>87534377
I just did it now instead of going to bed.

I added the information thingy from the first post, but otherwise it's everything that I saw that was related to it on his tumblr.

Poor guy, a lot of other show runners are shafted pretty hard without any coverage or venting publicly, so it's clear that he's pretty disappointed.

Hopefully this won't dissuade him from continuing to create cartoons (ignoring stuff like potential blacklists, etc).

>nickelodeon forced him to delete some posts
What a great company!

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>>87533648
no

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>>87533648
Definetively no.

>>87534794
>5 seasons
>worst treated cartoon

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>>87534624
>MFW reading all of that

I really do hope Greenblatt lands on his feet after this.

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>>87525646
Oh, just caught up with the threads.
So they completely shat all over their best cartoon in years, while The Boredom House becomes their new pet show?
I'm ok with this.
...

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So nick will have only 1 good show now and a lot of people hate.

Great.

>>87534898
Loud House is NOT as good as Harvey Beaks. It's plagued by shitty writers who moved in from Zombie FOP and have no idea on how to write good comedy.

>>87529452
>but in 2007 their cartoons still had decent budgets.
Thanks for the laugh

>>87534914
It may not be as good as Harvey Beaks, but it's still pretty good.

>>87531699
>put your faith in Nick
>they end up fucking you over cause your show isn't Spongebob

I'm sorry, I can't feel too bad for C.H. It just feels like he went in completely blind when going back to Nick. It sucks that this shit happened, but he should've expected it.

>>87531695
>Nick is looking hopeful too.
How the fuck is Nick looking hopeful when they just killed off two shows that just aired last year? Seems to me you're just being blindly optimistic and Milo is the very definition of okay

>>87531705
>and is where Joe Johnston, considered by many to be the best Steven Universe writer/boarder and is now a director, got his start
So this means basically nothing

>inb4 Nick decides to not air the rest of the episodes at all
>inb4 it does air them, but all mentions of Greenblatt are removed

>>87535157
With a burst that Greenblatt did (you do not call a network your show is currently on a druggie), you can bet your ass this show's straight to cancellation

Question is, if CH doesn't get blacklisted from every company now, where do you think he'll go to next?

>>87535157
There's no point in trying to spite Carl. Only a tiny handful of poeple know or care what goes on behind the scenes. Kids just want to see cartoons and rarely know anyone involved in making them.

Plus if they do that he'll probably have worse to say about them.

>>87525841
Sym Bionic 2.0?

>>87534679
Let's be realistic, that's not unreasonable.

>>87534846
Same. Its pretty sad. What I worry the most about is if he's okay.

>>87535056
Most of this was holdover bad decisions from their darker age. What all this was, was trying to recover a show that had a bad start from a time they were even stupider.

Nick is stupid, but no more stupid than every other channel is being nowadays

>>87530469
He's saying SB gets more hours per week than Harvey got all year.

>>87525714
basically any shows with ratings lower than SpongeBob's will get this treatment

>>87531725
sauce on the Robertryan Cory pic please?

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>>87530879
>traditional animation won't be a lost art anymore

>>87528627
Really like this dude's artstyle. I haven't seen anything this creative since Ka-Blam.

>>87534794
UG has about 156 ,11 minute episodes. That's actually the average episode numbers CN usually orders for most of thier shows. Aside from Adventure Time & Regular Show, which were getting more episodes due to thier populairity.

>>87534914
>>87535017
Even tho the show is created by the guy who made those terrible seasons of Dexter's Lab and Powerpuff Girls, this show is actually better than those two. It's not a great show as Harvey is that I agree, but it's not bad either. Really the only gripes I have with Loud House are the toilet humor and gross out jokes. But it does have some interesting episodes and the humor is alright, nothing really hilarious.

>>87530480
He was ready for "cancelation" he had a proper ending for the series but now he will send to the house of your uncle where theres no TV and you have to listen to the christian radio.

>>87535357
>Nick is stupid, but no more stupid than every other channel is being nowadays

You mad? Even if the other channels have worse shows, they still treat the crators well.

>>87533648
Robotomy did much worse, they didn't even advertise the premiere episode

>>87530378
fuck this makes me even angrier considering how garbage Spongebob is these days

>>87535625
> this seems like complete madness as its like Nintendo expecting Dillon's Rolling Western to outsell Pokemon
> remember that Loud House has beat SpongeBob in ratings, so the execs will feel justified with this stance now that it's been proven that it can be done

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>abloo bloo bloo I couldnt beat Spongebob and got cancelled

Third-rate cartoon problems.

>>87536720
Your cartoon will have this problem at some point.

Tik-tok, tik-tok, tik-tok.

>>87536720
>>>/trash/

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> mfw Greenblatt attempts to John K his way out of the industry

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>>87536749
That really depends on a number of factors, but right now, The Loud House is still going strong, and has three seasons guaranteed.

Hartman took a licking like this with TUFF Puppy and Danny Phantom, and he didn't cry on social media or blame Scapegoatbob, he just kept grinding and now has a fourth cartoon to basically pad his retirement fund with.

Greenblat is acting like a moron and probably going to get himself blacklisted from the industry over some spilled milk and a foregone conclusion that was apparent when his cartoon was losing half a million viewers after Loud House or Spongebob premieres gifted him with 2million viewer bookends.

>>87536720
Who let the twelve year-old post?

>>87536823
Understand that not every one has the ability to suck dick keep his cool in front of this kind of stuff. Besides, Hartmann had four shows who all got treated way better than HB, there hasn't been one day of Nickelodeon scheduling without something by Hartmann in it since 2001. Greenblatt on the other hand was just treated like dirt.

>>87536823
Hartman pitches shows like a used cars salesman.

And the quality shows.

>>87535357
>Let's be realistic, that's not unreasonable.

No, it is. Especially after 7 years of dicking the the guy around only to can his project and not even tell him to his face they're canning it. Dude has to find out via twitter.

>>87536823
>Hartman took a licking like this with TUFF Puppy and Danny Phantom

How is it fair to compare Hartman to Greenblatt when Nick has been sucking Hartman's cock for 15 years? They were even ready to give him a fourth show but it didn't get off the ground.

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>mfw this genuinely delightful man loses his career because these assholes pushed him to the breaking point

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Inb4
>Greenblatt is blacklisted.
>Greenblatt from now on will always hear, "We don't believe this will do well.".
>Greenblatt goes to Youtube and attempts animation there until he realizes that people only care about Drama.

>>87537169
Because Hartman has the "Right" charisma(He's a whore) to swoon the Heads of NICK.
Now Hartman is a staple at NICK and they treat him like a Golden Goose.

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>>87528735
I don't get it. Chowder was aired constantly and even had reruns for years.

>>87537413
He just means premature cancellation, especially when he was more than willing to keep working in it apparently.

I say Chowder had a much better run, but it still got plagued by having to deal with the whole CN Real shit that eventually got it prematurely cancelled.

That being said, CN at the very least didnt actively stab him in the back, they just tried to rebrand themselves at the worst possible time just to foow trends like any good corporate entity.