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Tom and Jerry Thead
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>>87511909
YOU JUST KNOW
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Tom > Jerry
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>>87511909
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Best episode coming through
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>>87514666
why is the animation so good
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>>87512397
OH HELL NO
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remember when they were named Jasper and Jinx?
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>>87514706

Because it's 1950's Theater shorts. Cartoons for the cinema had a bigger budget back then (and nobody had figured out all the various tricks to cheapen up animation yet).
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>>87514261
>all them episodes that hint at Jerry having a secret cat fetish.
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>>87511909
What emotion is this pic trying to convey?
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>>87514706
>>87515211
Same reason in Japan OVAs have a bigger budget than TV shows, and thus look better.
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>Still waiting for volume 2 blu-ray
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>>87512397
great scene.
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>>87515408
they're on amazon video though
someone ripped them desu
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>>87515462
They seem to be standard definition only on Amazon. I'm talking about actual HD remasters which they did a first volume of on blu-ray but never released the second volume because of dumb bullshit.
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well, shit
>>87514666
>>87512397
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>>87515516
They are in SD, but they are indeed remastered.
Fuck WB for not bothering to release Vol. 2 though.
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>>87515566
If it's not in HD, I don't care. I already have the Spotlight Collection dvds. I just want HD and in chronological order.
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>>87512397
>ywn look this good
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>>87515607
>not enjoying DVD quality over BD quality
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>>87515607
And those two other shorts that WB refuses to release because of said bullshit and I doubt Amazon has them.
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>>87515644
amazon germany does have those shorts though
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DO YOU WANNA HAVE A BAD TOM?!!
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>>87514261
l-lewd!
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>>87515657
1. They're prime exclusive.
2. There's no indication whether they're in HD or SD so I assume it's the latter.
3. I don't want streaming anyway. I want a fucking physical disc.
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>>87515902
Blame WB. They're honestly terrible when it comes to releasing stuff on home media.
The fuck Tom and Jerry spinoffs from 1975 and 1980 are still not even on DVD yet.
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>>87516047
>The fuck Tom and Jerry spinoffs from 1975 and 1980 are still not even on DVD yet.
Well that part is understandable because those shows were shit. Otherwise yeah, totally agree. Disney is also just as bad with everything besides their newer movies.
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>>87516230
Even if they are shit, there still isn't a reason not to put it on DVD, or hell even iTunes.
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>>87512380
>>87514061
Looking back, the food was always so delicious lookng.
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Let us not forget the beauty and grace that is

The Tom Scream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMWoAvgD0A0
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>>87516873
That was one of the most tense episodes I've seen from any show.

I also remember really wanting to see what on board that train was like and what was beyond that down the track.
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>>87512321
enjoy ur ban
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This scene was so sick that I was shocked as a young kid
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>>87514713
What a waste of a cornet. At least it wasn't chocolate.
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>>87517288
shit.
same.
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>>87515036
um.. how the hell did you get this picture
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>>87515398
japan OVAs look so good because they are one offs made using money the original anime made a completely different reason tom and jerry had
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>>87518441
I took a selfie
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Jones > MGM > Deitch
This is the true order.
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>>87518543
>Selfie
>Both hands are visible
Oh, I get, you're a SUTANDO TSUKAI.

>>87518626
No, anon. Just no.
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>>87512397
>>87515541
WHAT'S JUMPIN', CHICK?
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>>87518658
>jones era
>not better than MGM
Faggot.
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>>87518626
>Anything above MGM
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>>87518658
>2016 and not having telekinesis
What a fag
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>>87518747
I can't read you over the sheer heresy of your post.
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>>87518626
>Jones better than MGM
that is fucking wrong and you know it
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>>87516825
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4jH0WeV67I
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>>87519357
Sounds like hes squeezing out a coffee shit
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not remembering the goat episode 'The Night Before Christmas'
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Been trying to practice drawing on-model with Tom and Jerry references, but it's really hard for me to get their proportions right and still takes way too long.
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>>87520065
Classic animation characters are notoriously hard to draw.
Are those your drawings or the references?
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>>87520065
looking bretty excellent anon
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>>87520065
>tracing over frames
why
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>>87520065
Have you practised drawing real animals and people beforehand? It's good practise before you draw cartoon characters.
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>>87520345
>tracing
You can see the "skeletons" below the red ink
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>>87520345
i'm pretty sure he's using the frames as a reference and constructing them on his own which is actually a good exercise
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>>87520383
Referencing stills is honestly one of the worst ways to practice.
Just use a model sheet instead.
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>>87520445
The model sheet can teach you the basics, but if you don't sketch the actual frames how the hell are you supposed to know how they actually work in motion?
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>>87520483
You use your fucking head. Fill in the in betweens.
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>>87520445
>>87520483
>>87520497
nigga it depends on what you're trying to get out of the exercise. if he's just trying to learn how to draw the characters, sure, a model sheet is fine, but he's studying the poses as they appear in the animation and trying to learn how to apply the designs in practice.
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>>87520554
If you want to animate, you trace over scenes.
If you want to draw, you use a model sheet.
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I need more Tom and Jerry reaction pics
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>>87516047
>The fuck Tom and Jerry spinoffs from 1975 and 1980 are still not even on DVD yet.

The moment Warner releases this junk in a standalone set is also the moment they start mixing these shorts with the earlier, more classic cartoons—and at least relatively better modern cartoons—in their T&J anthology releases.

We personally may not care because we already have a lot of T&J anthology releases, but this will mean the lousy 1970s cartoons are actively turning away the kids who buy the new releases.

Warner is inept enough to let this happen, so I don't think we should give them the chance.
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>>87520694
They need to release the entirety of T&J Kids desu
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Jerry is the actually the bad guy
I hate this fucker
tom is my man
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>>87520153
Those are mine.

>>87520345
>>87520445
>>87520572
They're not traces and with the exception of the bottom Tom which came from a screenshot all were drawn by looking at model sheets.

>>87520572
Practice for character layout, which requires being able to draw characters in a variety of poses and angles.

>>87520365
I haven't but that sounds like a good idea.
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One question, /co/...Tom or Jerry?

Tom for me.
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cat>mouse
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>>87521852
Tom obviously.
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>>87521325
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>>87521155
>>87521177
>>87521202
>>87521227
>>87521306
Any more model sheets?
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>>87517187
Joke is on you; still there.
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>>87517288
When I was about 12, ten years ago, this episode played in a cycle of reruns on the children's selection of the movie entertainment on a cross pacific plane trip. 14 hours to repeatedly watch Tom mess up and be killed, mess up and be killed. Scar me a bit to slap stick cartoons for a good long while.
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>>87521852
Tom.

Even though Tom instigated a lot of the fights, there was just something about Jerry that seriously pissed me off and made me hate him.
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>>87512261
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They can talk.

You can deny this happened all you want, it did and you will live with it.
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>>87512397
>>87515541
Why did people in the 40s think this was fashionable?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXCEKT2JdOk
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>>87530076
Honestly Tom's voice actor for the movie was perfect.
Jerry's was miscast.
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>>87530110
>Implying it fucking isn't
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>>87530110
counterculture
when minimalism is considered high fashion, people will subvert that with extravagant, flamboyant parodies. which end up becoming mainstream, and minimalism becomes the counter culture. it's called a 'fashion statement' for a reason.
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>>87530110
>He doesn't want to rake in all the bitches

Get a load of this corn husker.
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>>87530623
Tom didn't rake in any bitches though.
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>>87530674
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF9WazbBkXM
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I think what upset me the most about this show was that Tom almost never won. I wish there were more episodes when Tom got the best of Jerry.
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>>87530674
Because Tom is an incompetent moron.
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>>87530853
t. Jerry
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What's worse?
Tom & Jerry Kids or the current Tom & Jerry show?
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>>87530902
Kids

just based on the fucking design alone
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>>87530773
Everyone does. Jerry would've been more sympathetic if he didn't act like a mouse (literally stealing food) but apparently the creators thought the audience would find him too cute to hate
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>>87530902
>>87530935
Kids gave is shota Tom though.
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>>87530935
I think they got rid of Tom's hat after season 1 for some reason.
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>>87530969
>somebody drew this
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>>87530902
Current Tom & Jerry, by a longshot. Kids at least had a catchy theme song and the Droopy & Dripple shorts were entertaining. The Tom & Jerry shorts themselves weren't great, but they weren't really that different from most attempts at recreating the magic of the original shorts (which many have tried, but none have succeeded in).
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DON'T YOU BELIEVE IT
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>>87515610
Why did I Kek?
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>>87530725
>Say! Something IS burning around here!

klassic kek
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>>87530773
I just wanted Tom to get the girl, I don't know if he ever did once,

But I thought it was horrible how Jerry constantly tried to screw up his relationships.
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>>87532971
The first time I saw this episode I thought he said

WHO DO YOU BELIEVE IN
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>>87532971
Wow they really dated this episode with that reference :/ Almost as bad as putting in smart phones.
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COME UP AND SEE ME SOME TIME.
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>>87515211
well technically they had figured out some tricks, but most of them didn't see much use, as audiences really didn't like them, nor did the studios for that matter(at least until the 50's), there's a reason Chuck Jones almost got fired for doing Dover Boys

>>87515644
>And those two other shorts that WB refuses to release because of said bullshit
honestly I wouldn't have minded those shorts being left off, sure it'd be kinda annoying, but it's better than what happened with us not getting it at all
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>>87521852
Tom in most shorts, Jerry gets the occasional cartoon where I root for him though(mostly ones that involve a third character, as Tom is often more of an outright villain in those shorts)
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>>87530076
they both talked(and sung) fairly often in the old shorts, really found it weird that the movie tried to make a big deal about this(although I guess by then the revival attempts up to that point had them as silent full time, so most people had forgotten, especially since it was before Cartoon Network became a big thing)

>>87530172
agreed, Jerry's wasn't an awful VA, just one that sounded a little too young
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>>87532941
why is he blushing
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Childhood is when you think Jerry is right.
Teenage is when you know Tom is right.
Adulthood is when you realise both are right.
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>>87535207
Adulthood is when you realize only Tom was right.
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>>87514713
AAAAAAAAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jj8956r9u4
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>>87530969
>>87512321
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>>87535141
Japanese cold I guess.
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>>87518626
Anything non-MGM is terrible.
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>>87536473
>>87536473
>>87536473
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>>87536473
>hating based Jones
kys my man
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>>87536509
Doesn't work for Tom & Jerry.
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>>87536540
How does it not?
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I always wondered.

Where did the eggs come from?
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>>87536549
Looks like shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYirhC48hQY
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>>87536604
The animation is good at least.
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>>87520966
I love that episode.
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>>87520939
>>87520785
Is this the one where Tom is listening to the horror radio drama?
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I don't care much for T&J, other than Drizelda's dragon form.
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>>87537145
>I don't care much for T&J,
>>>/trash/
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>tfw Tom actually won
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>>87530076
You set my soul on fire
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>>87530969
>not just being a furry
>not just being a pedo
>but being a full on furry pedo

people are disgusting
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>>87538602
>furry pedo worse than a regular pedo

That seems backward somehow.
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Daily reminder that this is apparently a thing that is going to happen.
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>>87539511
the crossover nobody asked for!
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>>87539511
Who the fuck at Warner Brothers is allowing for this shit to happen? Why does Tom and Jerry need a yearly DTV movie?
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>>87536757
I found it, "Fraidy Cat".

Used to watch them endlessly on vhs when I was a kid.

Just heard the redubbed Mammy Two-shoes.
It's so fucking boring.

Can the original dubs, without all the bullshit they've tried to cover them over with, still be found somewhere?
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>>87530354
Someone please name this meme!!
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>>87539511
I wonder if Tom and Jerry actually means anything to kids of today
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>>87540558
i want to hug him
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>>87530969
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>>87514666
IS YOU IS OR IS YOU AIN'T MAH BAYBEE
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>>87521325
always digged this shapely style
is there a name for it?
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Honestly, Tom and Jerry is my favorite Golden Age cartoon series. Disney had great animation, but the stories never interested me much, and they weren't shown off all that much on TV. Looney Tunes was alright, but it hit its shitty age a lot quicker than Tom and Jerry did. Tom and Jerry had a nice balance of comedy episodes and the occasional episode with a more serious plot, especially in the MGM era. Chuck Jones' shorts are different, but by no means bad. Deitch completely missed the point of the spirit of Tom and Jerry. Any Tom and Jerry series after the Golden Age pretty much also misses the point or just relies on a pale stereotype of the characters with none of the atmsophere and emotion you saw in the MGM era. Golden Age Tom and Jerry is a home-run hit in terms of simplistic story telling, A+ animation, and comedy, nothing Hannah Barbera would do after this would ever supersede it in terms of quality.
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>>87530076
DON'T YOU BELIEVE IT
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>>87532971
That scares me to this day.
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>>87536549
Tom & Jerry's H-B era slapstick was more sophisticated than Roadrunner & Coyote's. Timing was better. The setups and surprises were better.
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I'm aware that Imgur.com will stop allowing adult images since 15th of May. I'm taking actions to backup as much data as possible.
Read more on this topic here - https://archived.moe/talk/thread/1694/


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