How's Your Webcomic? #325

Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag
Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:
>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/

>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/ (surprisingly not a typo)

>Links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV
>Contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#

>DISCORD CHAT going on,
Ask for an invite in the thread.

>Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xPvvPTQaMI

>Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf

>Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/

>Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
http://www.blambot.com/

>Writing Resources:
http://www.cienciasecognicao.org/rotas/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Robert-McKee-Story.pdf

>Guide to promoting your comic:
http://miss-melee.tumblr.com/post/143483233951/

>Comics for makin' comics!
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/9pf1nwwa92lbp/Comics_for_making_Comics

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do I seriously need to bump this?
here, here's the image that was missing

>TFW I'm not even good enough for the scrub artist resources
Any good beginner level tutorials/classes online? With something like art, it's always hard to tell who's just talking out their ass when trying to teach.

>>87500796
that's a good attitude you have there, not all teachers are automatically good.
cant speak for classes, but a really good source got posted a thread or two ago
https://design.tutsplus.com/series/how-to-draw-animals--vector-21311

>>87500958
Wow, lots of stuff in there. Still hoping for more of a proper class type of thing, but a bunch of smaller tutorials like will certainly help a lot too.

Got tons of ideas, but breaking into books is very hard, especially since so many of my ideas would only really work as young adult stuff, but comics are much more open with that.

>>87501361
i suggest you sit down with some art you like and reverse-engineer it. look at how it's constructed (if you're lucky the artists will have blogs assisting with that), how it accomplishes what it accomplishes.. and if you can't do it on your own, ask guys like us about it. we might be able to help. just nerding out with people who have similar interests can go a long way towards really understanding the meat of something you otherwise just enjoy as candy

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>>87501470
Honestly, I think that's even above my level right now. I've always loved faeries and have a couple dozen short stories and two or three novels written, but I haven't been able to find a publisher. The final straw for me was when I stumbled on a Camilla d'Errico book and absolutely fell in love. Just for the record, that is Camilla's art, not mine obviously. I'd really like to be able to do something with the melancholy, dreamy tone in the vein of those, or CLAMP's Clover. I've been practicing but not seeing much improvement on my own.

I'm also still thinking about And Then Emily Was Gone months after reading it, but I don't think Iain Laurie's more grotesque style fits my writing at all. Same with Woodring, though his stories are some of my favorites.

>>87501721
ah okay. well, a lot of that is the soft coloring, which is something I'm pretty inexperienced in. otherwise I think you should practice a lot of different styles of eyes and pupil sizes so you can get that ethereal dreamy look. that's a major part of it.

Have you tried the construction basics just so you at least have figures to start customizing the features of? you're never too amateur for that.

>>87501806
Yeah, I've been practicing a bit, but without a solid tutorial, I feel like my foundation and basics aren't anywhere close to me being comfortable enough to improve or experiment on. It's like trying to build a house from scratch without a blueprint and then trying to give it a style after the fact. I definitely need more help with the basics than anything else right now and then I can start worrying about how to emulate or create a style after I can draw a consistent and recognizable person at all.

>>87502235
i hear you. But maybe these scrub resources aren't as beyond-you as you think.

Maybe when a third person shows up to this thread they can give you some better tutorial reccommendations.. I wish I could help myself.

not sure.. where everyone is...

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I've just made the apex webcomic.
Pack it in boys, there no point in continuing.

>>87504283
weirdly reminiscent of Stickin' Around

>>87504283
terrible

>>87504746
I disagree

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>>87504746
Who are you to judge? Let people makes up their own minds, snob.

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http://bug-quest.tumblr.com/post/152798815305

Okay

I think I got this under control.

I may be able to get this down in time for november 18th (exactly 2 years since it started)

When i'm done with that, I think ill change my name to 'Jam' (or LandBeast, maybe - one of the two)
Mediocre Scrublord was always kind of a meme name. I was like, 13.

>>87500796
Try checking out drawabox.com.
Also Proko on Youtube.

>>87506144
aw dude i love scrublord. i'm going to reference it in my comic someday, because it has great anagrams. I have that written down, it's planned. it abbreviates nicely too, my good blord. blordy. rublo. scrubbles. eh whatever do what you want.. but JamBeast is more memorable at least.

anyway I'm glad you're under control. I've been struggling to write for the last few days and it's nice when you get that feeling of getting back behind the wheel now that you've finally got your maps.

>>87506211
i have fond memories of people shouting "SCRIMBO", "SCRIMBOMB", "SCRIMBILLION", "SCRIMBLES", "SCRAM-BOP" etc at me.

It was catchy i suppose, but i'd like the change. Jam is nice.

I can't believe it's been 8 days since the previous update.

>>87505865
I know this isn't the actual guy posting but... wtf black nips?

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just though id let you guys know, from my few weeks of absence ive been taking a break from comics, and practicing. I started basic drawing classes, and plan to start a life drawing class, so ill report what comes out of that in a few months. for now, here's a picture of pams butt i drew a few weeks ago.

>>87500796
>>87502235
I don't know about a cohesive class (at least not a free one), but there are quite a few youtube channels dedicated to teaching various aspects of art.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk
This video is a pretty popular one to link. Exercises like these can help you build up your drawing muscles and get your art to look more clean and consistent. That makes it easier to learn other things too, because you won't have to focus so much on just getting a line straight or drawing a circle, so you can pay more attention to whatever you're studying.

That said, I think if you're really still a total beginner the most important thing is just to draw a ton. Try to fill a sketchbook per month. Because the bad news is, your everything needs work, but the good news is, you can still learn something from drawing pretty much anything. So have fun with it. Then once you don't feel completely like a fish out of water you can still go for a more structured approach and work out specific issues.

>>87506569
Racist

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>>87506609
oh and this other one I drew a couple weeks ago aswell.

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>>87506569
>black nips

>>87506609
nice perspective shot. i'm glad you're taking classes, strawbles.
>>87506693
freckled clavicles are a lot of fun, but those boobs are pretty high. Remember, when you're looking down at the torso, the clavicles form the top of the weird-shaped cylinder we're made of, basically functioning as the front-side version of shoulder blades.. so in this view you'd want them further down and more converging. you'll get it though. keep working on those skeletons

>>87505865
> etsy store
> 0 sales
This autistic depresses me.

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Bump.
Wall of text is better now, but probably still not good.

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Bonus comics for after the book

>>87504283
How do you come up with this? Would you mind livestreaming your next comic so we can see your process?

Bumpin'.

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Hmmm. Don't know if this counts:

http://www.lezhin.com/en/comic/1st_us_contest_theworld

I got third place in a webtoon contest. Webtoon is the name koreans give to their webcomics. I had never done one in that style, which kinda shows (exposition everywhere) but it was a pretty fun excercise which I really reccomend.

>>87513825
Neat art, but the constant closeups are kind of annoying. I can't get a good feel for where characters are in relation to each other, what the spaces they move in are like, and it removes all dramatic potential for a sudden close up when every single shot does it. I get that it's a lot more effort to draw backgrounds and full body shots and maybe you were under a tight deadline for the contest, but please try to zoom out a little more in future chapters.

>>87514037
Thanks!

Still no idea if there'll be any future chapters, though. The editors told all the winners that it was a possibility, but they've remained quiet.

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meanwhile in my comic, my protagonists finally met

http://inkandrubbish.com/LaxLegends/

>>87514694
You don't know? Do the organizers have the rights to the comic?

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Bump.

>>87510789
that's cute.. have I seen you before?
>>87512444
gotta ask, does the space at the bottom signify something?
>>87516717
I tried opening this and the last file and alternating them to see the difference, and it looks as if wind is blowing the leaves and fur around

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I made a choice that i think goes against most of my past decisions, this comics protagonist is going to start off already grown (Physiologically). I thought i would be a different story since i could put myself in his shoes just to better understand what i can do.

I need to try really hard to execute this comic. And sketches won't be enough.

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Moving slowly every day.

I should be moving into all the linework and coloring after adding the last few characters. Adobe draw is a blessing.

>>87517828
a neat design for sure. one of the rare cases of that kind of eye-corner-nose that I actually like.. even if I'd still like it more if the tip went down a little further
>>87517871
100 points for chupacabro

>"Yeah! I'm gonna work and upload some good stuff today!"
*Sees an artist present a whole bunch of really impressive stuff*
>"... Oh."
Does anyone else here feel like this at times? I guess it's just being nervous to show some of my work when someone else with way better skill can do it better. It's a bummer.

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>>87517901
Maybe i'm off... So between these two whats the optimal choice?

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>>87518519
Depends on your definiton of "Better Skill"...
Thing is its okay to feel inept, because that what should really drive you to better your own resolve.

If you take a look at this thread you can see every artist has a slight advantage and disadvantage over the other.

One guy might be amazing at Anatomy, but there's someone else with great Expressions and a unique understanding of color. One artist might draw background so realistic and beautiful you might start to look at every comic to see their background and evaluate them.

To conclude, Just post it. Best thing you can get from this is a critique and the sill to strive for excellence.

This guy >>87518526
>Use to draw like this. The Boner Loincloth

>>87518526
that is one subtle difference. the biggest thing i'm noticing is the eyes are at more of an angle in the first one.
but yeah the first one has a slightly longer nose and I think that helps. the bigger the space between the tip of the nose and the mouth, the more unintelligent a character looks (see incredible hulk) because apes have a long space there. so you're doin just right. and i love the little mouse guy

>>87514995
IIRC they have exclusive rights to publish the work for a year, but if they want to do something else with it (I don't know, a tv show or whatever) I still have input and $$$.

>>87506693
>lasercheese.jpg

>>87517615
>and it looks as if wind is blowing the leaves and fur around
Hah, yeah, the improvements are getting pretty subtle considering how long I spent on them. Probably a sign I need to finish up and move on.

>>87518519
As someone who wasted years on being too nervous to show my work myself, I'm probably not the best person to tell you how to conquer that feeling. But I feel fairly comfortable telling you that it can really hurt you in the long run, so you mustn't give in.

Post your work. Everyone's anonymous assholes here, we won't bite.

>>87518526
I don't think a difference that minor is worth worrying about. It's a really minor detail that will be lost in the unavoidable variations from panel to panel, especially once you factor in expressions and perspective.

>>87519223
Can you upload more chapters to the site, though? Or would you have to wait for a year and publish somewhere else if they don't okay it?

Time for the first ask!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1urMrFo2xSs&feature=youtu.be

Ask questions if you want!

Though, if you want a clear awnser, you'll have to choose your character wisely.

>>87519824
I wish I had the kind of energy to animate shit like this

>>87520545
It's pretty easy man, I made this in only three hours.

>>87520609
For curiosity's sake, how long do you usually spend on your comic pages?

>>87520641
Well, for West tree, it's about 1-3 hours depending on how complex it is.

College Usa takes about 30 minutes to and hour.

>>87520679
I don't think I've seen College Usa. is that like USA or like usagi?

>>87521144
It's an alleged parody of Dumbing of Age that he keeps posting in the DoA threads in spite of frequent protests that it's completely unrelated.

>>87521144
It's pretty much an alternate universe of West Tree and is a parody of DoA.

http://freakanimes.com/collegeusa/

>>87521386
oh right, I remember this now. didn't know you kept it up
willis certainly needs a new orifice torn, but since I don't read DoA I probably wouldn't appreciate the parody

>>87521550
Well, I mean, I've made it so that you can enjoy it as it's own thing, I mean, it's still a product of West Tree and the characters still act like themselves, so you might enjoy it.

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>>87522612
no need for the second ? in panel 4
uncomfortable*
forced my* hand
disappointed*

interesting hatching in this one. very interesting.

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Problem Sleuth tribute.

>>87523090
Throw the slice of pizza to bait the boys out of dangers way with one hand, and shoot the rocket with the other

>>87506693
Hey, thanks for posting this! I was just wondering what I should practice for today.
Hope you don't mind.
http://imgur.com/TiTzidO
Hope I didn't mess her face up too hard, your faces are pretty stylized.
Good luck and have fun with the life drawing!

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http://bug-quest.tumblr.com/post/152831044460/

Makin Headway.
Gettin' Her done

>>87523090
unstable*

also wow really nice scenery layout here.

>>87523263
well if I'm going to marry her I'd better meet her parents..

>>87517615 On my website, I use the empty space to stretch the panel away from the buttons, so that it doesn't look so cluttered. It matches the background, so it can't be seen normally unless you saved the picture. There's nothing important down there really.

>>87524849
Huh, that's one way to go.. but you could also have just put an invisible table on the site to space things out

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A new chapter of Monster Lands is starting, so here's the cover page.

You can read my webcomic here: http://www.monster-lands.com/

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Finished this page!

Getting artsy with the patterns and stuff.

>>87526099
so artdeco

>>87529226
and again
cmon guys

these threads are a mistake. just let it die

Do you think webcomics will ever catch on? I don't understand why westerners can't shit out webcomics like Japan can with manga. Maybe because there's not much money involved but come on, it's not always about money.

And by this I mean bump.

>>87532206
it's cultural i think. japan has a buying-comics culture. people stop by a konbini and it's like eh i think i'll get this comic, maybe this fashion magazine.. they think nothing of spending MONEY on that shit
in america it's like fuck that i'm not payin for SQUAT. even when cape comics were big business they were being printed on toilet paper and sold for a nickel. everything past that has been built on that, and nowadays they see them as nothing but movie promotion. people are still willing to buy a movie ticket, that's ingrained in us pretty hard. part of our culture. you take your date to the movies, you see them with friends, etc.

>>87532206
The average web comic aims for shit, so they turn out shit. They look at outliers like ONE and the simplistic look of cartoons and think "i can do that" without understanding what made them successful. So they skip fundamentals and copy lowest common denominator stuff because they lack the work ethic and attitude to create something exceptional.

Just look at the average comic in this thread. Most criticism or negative opinions are met with hostility. People prefer a hugbox to a more critical environment like /ic/ (which as of late is getting pretty shit too). Westerners are coddled and all think their shit is special.

>>87532271
oh look at clever dan. I bet you think you're smarter than everyone here. well guess what?
you're also here
in the webcomics thread on 4chan

>>87532271
You're looking at it all wrong. People aren't doing webcomics just because they're easy and they want cheap success, they're looking at it as a highly accessible way to express themselves. The "me too" isn't something as crummy as "i want to be famous too", those people don't last long at all. It's a "I want to tell a story too", and they do. Forcing some kind of quality product standard onto them is only going to stifle their creativity and shows YOU have the fundamental bad understanding of what making comics is about.

>>87532461
Exhibit A, taking it personally. No interest in discussion, just "well SO ARE YOU".

What are the implications of my being here? How are they related to the points I made? The reality speaks for itself. I'll still read your reply, but won't bother wasting any more time with you.

>>87532536
Yes that is also an explanation to his question, but doesn't refute my response to his question. No one is talking abut enforcing quality standards, you can keep the thread however you care.

>>87532574
What am I taking personally? Your assessment of the threads? You weren't criticizing my comic in that post, you were just being a smug piece of shit who thinks he's contributing but isn't in the slightest, just speaking to be heard.
>No one is talking abut enforcing quality standards
then I must have grossly misunderstood you. what DID you mean by that post?

alright, having re-read the thread, I realize now you were replying to >>87532206 , and therefore not coming completely out of nowhere. I just got pissed off at how so much of what you said was bullshit, and overly-repeated bullshit at that, and I legit don't understand why you're here if you think that. we'd both be happier if you'd bugger off

Does anyone ever feel like the webcomic format is holding their story and art back more than it's helping?

>>87533033
In what way exactly?

>>87526099
So is your comic supposed to be purposely shitty, or is that just because of the art?

>>87500796
>>87506192

Sycra is another youtube artist to check out

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I'm still in the writing phase, working the kinks out of the first chapter. Struggling right now with finalizing the design of the main character and conceptualizing the town. But I am planning on debuting it by the end of this month.

Synopsis: Aliens take a small mountain town into space on a 5000 year journey. No one ages, but you can still die from murder or other means. Main is a girl who is weak but put in very difficult situations.

Imagine under the dome mixed with lost and walking dead sort of drama. Once I get it up and running, I'll link it here for /co/

>>87532271
I agree that the "looking for quality in a mountain of shit" factor is one of the main problems in webcomics becoming super mainstream, but I don't think it's because webcomic artists are particularly low-work ethic people - there's just no barrier to entry to keep all the terrible shit from getting published like there is with physical comics. Without webcomics, nobody would have ever seen shit like Jennfer's Show or Hathor the Cow Goddess - they'd just be lying around in a crazy person's house somewhere.
With the advent of online "publishers" like Hiveworks or >>87513825 that have an application process so that people can know ahead of time that at least the comic won't be the insane ramblings of a paranoid schizophrenic, I think that's about to change.

>>87533048
Yes, I purposely make my comic look shitty.

I have invested a small loan of 1 million dollars into a laboratory in California called Dewd industries, where I have tons of scientists researching and testing ways how to make my comic look as perfectly shit as possible. We create the shit, we smell the shit, and if were feeling daring, we even give the shit a little taste in order to deliver the most pristine shit out there that you can't find anywhere else.

Hope that answered your question faggot.

>>87534659
Oh lets be honest, print comics are frequently awful as well. There is no medium where you don't have to wade through shit to find the good stuff.

>>87535887
Yeah, but webcomics are really bad about it.
If Marvel publishes a comic, it might suck, but it's passed a few people with veto powers and it has an editor to check the spelling, artists that are usually at least mediocre at their art, a writer who's probably written other things before, and an implicit promise that the story won't just stop updating from one page to the next.

Compare that to the glut of webcomics made by people who can't write or draw or spell, and go on random hiatuses without any warning or resolution, wasting the time you spent reading.

West tree is now on amino! Become a member today!

http://aminoapps.com/c/west-tree-universe-amino

>>87536016
>Who knows, your feed back may even change how the series !

HOW THE SERIES WHAT!?

>>87536016
I'm curious Dewd, how many people actually read your comic?

>>87535887
>>87535999
Too much creative freedom and lack of a second opinion makes it tough for people who genuinely want to make good webcomics.

I swear to god that if Tim Buckley had a bit more sense and friends, he'd actually be half decent.
Same thing with Dobson and Alex Ze Pirate. Fun concept, but nobody was there to keep him under control.

>>87536203
Definitely. Say what you will about things made by committee being bland, but things made without ANY outside input are usually even worse.

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I'm back with this, man, I can't believe I almost forget to make more strips due to that other work I'm sure no one will read.
In any case, before getting into colours, I'd like to check on with you in case I'm missing something.
Thanks to the anon last time that helped me with the low angle fucks up I did. I hope I'm not wasting your good will by fucking it up again this time, I made sure to check, but you never know.

>>87536037
Lol I will fix that. The page is a work in progress and there are still a lot of place holder images I need to replace.
>>87536041
I'd say a good 20 to 30 people each day. With about 100 to 200 views each day.

A pretty small fanbase, and I'm hoping that this app will help expand that a little bit.

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>>87536399
For the nose in panel 2, I'm not sure if the l-shape on our left is the inside of the nostril or the outside where it makes a crease with the cheek. In either case, it should probably be more up and to our right.

The nose in panel 3 hasn't got a perspective problem, but it does have a lot of lines compared to how you usually stylize them. Something like pic related might work better for you.

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>>87498441
What does /co/ think of my webcomic?

A boy falls in love with a girl.

Unable to confess, he is gifted by a deus ex machina with the girl's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately calls her, and is overjoyed to find out that she has a crush on him as well.

But, the next day, when he recounts the previous day's confessions to the girl, she only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the girl he called is not the same girl he fell in love with. In fact, she doesn't exist in this universe at all. She is the girl's alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with the MC's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of her crush.

Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of LOVE.

http://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/keit-ai/list?title_no=36825

>>87536569
It's not bad.

>>87536569

Already a thing.

https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3206139/1/Keit-AI-Tomoyuki-x-Seiko-Keit%E6%84%9B-%E5%A5%89%E6%96%87-x-%E8%81%96%E5%AD%90

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>>87536569

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>>87536569
Fuck off.

>>87536556
It's the outer part of the nostril line, I think I need to move it a bit to the left.
As for the style, I have yet to get used to their shape in general before starting to simplify them, so it's gonna take a little while before I'm there, but you're right about it.
I appreciate the feedback, I cannot thank you enough.

>>87536569
Why do they all look wall eyed?

>>87535999
Sure, but if a comic is reaaaally bad, you can usually tell right away - so I'm not sure how those matter, no one reads them anyway. That's a barrier of entry in it's own right, in a way.
And the rest is really no worse than published works.

>>87536203
>>87536254
Getting input from others and taking it seriously is important, but publishers aren't just concerned about quality - they also care about their image and making money.
So good works might not get picked up because they are too niche, yet barely acceptable stuff will, because it's a popular genre and doesn't take any risks. And while I can't fault companies for these decisions too much - they are running a buisness after all - I don't think that's a good status quo for comics as a medium.
So personally, I'm grateful that webcomics are a thing.

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>>87536569
>memeing this hard enough to actually make a webcomic out of it

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I used to draw and self-publish comics, but my comics output has dropped dramatically over the last few years while I've been focusing on developing my digital art skills (ie screwing around drawing stupid fan art doodles).

I still go to comic conventions as an exhibitor, but mainly as an assistant/occasional artist rather than having any new comic of my own. Seeing all my comics creator acquaintances with their new books only serves to remind me that I haven't drawn or published anything for too long.

I tend to work on self-contained short stories with regular sets of characters rather than a single on-going story. Recently, I figured out that I could collect some of my older strips into two books:

One would be 32 pages but would include some VERY early works (2001 - 2009) and would not have any new material apart from the covers (external and internal).

For the other, I have about 38 pages of material from 2005 - 2010 and I could easily put a few more new strips and supplementary material together to make a 48 page book.

These old strips (archived on my website) were previously published seperately as part of anthology-style comics that are no longer available.
They haven't been collected together in this way before but the genre-fpcused nature of the collections might be easier to market than an anthology of miscelleanous strips.

tl;dr - What do? Should I collect this older material together and republish it or focus on producing new material for publication?

>>87537013
>or
I don't see why you wouldn't do both.

>>87537062
This.

The "10,000 hours of practice makes you an expert" thing might have been debunked, but damn if it doesn't hurt.

>>87537062
I have a day job - this is just a hobby for me - so trying to collate (and possibly remaster) the older material, and organise it into something suitable for publication would take a lot of my spare time and mental energy that could otherwise be spent writing and drawing new strips.

I just remembered I know a friendly publisher so I could throw the pages at him and let him bash them into book form, but then I wouldn't learn how to do that for myself, and again it goes back to the issue of this being older, early works from a time when I had more enthusiasm than talent.

>>87537266
Well, if it's just your hobby, what are your goals with republishing? Is it just for fun?

Could you do it as a more long-term project that you only work on intermittently while making new strips more consistently?
That way you'd probably have figured out how to do it properly by the time you have enough new strips that they're worth collecting in a book of their own.

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http://manapunch.com/post/152726264207

finally finish my first 21 pages, I drew the first 3 pages last so there is this small gap of quality between those pages.

pic related, cause its me making a weeaboo comic about middle schoolers

>>87537543
I'm sorry, I usually try to get through every comic that gets posted and give some feedback, but I just couldn't make it. It's just too damn nerdy.

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>>87537640

>>87537543
You're using screentones in places you really shouldn't (several items look flat or have their perspective warped), you open to exposition and unimportant background imagery instead of establishing conflict or presenting an immediate hook, your characters are visually uninteresting and don't catch interest with any defining characteristics or swerves on expectations, your pacing is slow, your panels have very little going on, you cram in text that's redundant and boring which stifles readability, your layouts don't guide the reader and aren't visually interesting...

All of these are beginner mistakes. I'd tell you to just look back over your work, maybe read Scott McCloud's Understanding Comics, that kind of stuff. But you made a completely unjustifiable mistake on page 9.

After eight pages of buildup, you completely skip a conflict. You literally refuse to even show a montage of your character failing, having fault, actually interacting with other people, etc. And then on top of that, you tell your readers you "aren't sorry."

Why the hell do you expect anyone to even humor your comic if you just cop out on actually writing your story and essentially say they can go fuck themselves if they don't like it? How would YOU feel if you were reading Yu-Gi-Oh and, when the first game starts there's a blank page saying, "skipping this, not even sorry?" You wouldn't bother to read the rest, because it's unsatisfying and the author clearly doesn't give a shit.

>>87538826
Huh. For me >>87537640
, skipping the part where all the boring rules are explained was the one part I liked.

>>87538915
Yeah, and your issue with his card game comic was "it's too nerdy;" you don't exactly have a discerning eye for criticism, pal.

A comic only has to be as boring as the author chooses to make it. The number of rules that are introduced is entirely reliant on how many the author wishes to introduce at any time. You can make a comic about MtG that discusses the most unimportant minutiae or just doesn't explain the rules at all. If, as a writer, they find themselves going "I'll skip the first conflict in my story, it's too boring," that's a sign that they should rework the script! If it's too boring, write it a different way. If you want to start somewhere then don't waste eight pages then jump right to it: START THERE!

If it's not fun for you, it's not fun for the reader!

>>87539117
>conflict
Where is the conflict in some dude having the rules of a card game explained to him?

>>87539188
>"Where is the conflict with the protagonist being introduced to and struggling with new things in a mock battle?"
Please tell me you're just shitposting.

>>87539283
There are no stakes and there's no question about the outcome.
Why would you bother dragging it out?

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>>87516717
For some reason I feel like I haven't seen you in a while. ... ok its probably because I* haven't been here in a while. Coloring is lovely as always, love the warped perspective in the first panel. I feel like the dialogue on panel 5 can stand to be spread out more evenly across that panel, but it might cover up more backgrounds. Most people are too cropped in, you have opposite problem, sometimes if they are just talking, maybe just bust and up is fine now you have established the relative position between the characters.

>>87536569
meme post notwithstanding, I like the art style. Second panel down can stand to be a different framing, like foreground-background type of framing would be good, it will break up stack so that it isn't repetition of 3 similar panels.

>>87526041
I like what I am seeing, it looks great, great framing, great background, good coloring and expressive characters. Although character I really taken to was the "glory of combat" guy and the damsel in the ice tower, that was funny to me. Although I haven't take to some of the character in the archive so far however. I enjoy the introduction of the fairy character though, nice twist that chapter. Very good pacing as well, generally. Although if I feel the color is a bit pastel sometimes, can used more saturation and contrast on many day pages.

>>87498441
As for me, I am working a batch of pages, just finished preliminary inking of a 3 page sequence. I am almost finish connecting different parts I outlined out. This is basically spell casting sequence I wanted to establish her bona fide as a character that casts magic and will function differently from many of the character that will be introduced later.

>>87533599
crikey, 5000 years.
>>87535158
so close to well-delivered sarcasm. just gotta dock the tail of spite.
>>87536399
you still have to try to bring the tip of the chin out away from the neck, and make a sorta triangle shape underneath it. just like the underneath of a nose

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>>87539379
2/3

I know this page has been posted before but I feel like it would be good to give it more context, but this one was done first relative to other pages, which are mostly just used to connect one scene to another.

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>>87539400
3/3
I finished inking the page I posted a couple of weeks ago, although I have taken off the dialogues for the moment and the last panel has been changed. That means I'll need to add one more page to lead into the next scene...

One of the aspect of her spell casting is that she need to sing spells, precision in hitting certain notes is important for effective casting at high levels. There are distinctions between people of different background in terms of various proficiency which will become origins of conflicts later on.

>>87539379
>I feel like I haven't seen you in a while.
Yeah, I was spending way too much time doing stuff I shouldn't be, so I went off the chans for a bit. I never was good at moderation.
Panel 5 is a bit of a problem. I'm beginning to think I might have to move Skeggöld more to the left so there's proper room for everything.
> sometimes if they are just talking, maybe just bust and up is fine
Do you have any specific panels in mind? I feel like the body language usually adds enough that I should stay a little zoomed out.


Your stuff is looking good as always, but
>>87539451
>One of the aspect of her spell casting is that she need to sing spells, precision in hitting certain notes is important for effective casting at high levels.
It seems like it would be really hard to convey stuff like pitch and precise tones in a comic. Any ideas how to go about it?

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In today's comic, the fight is heading towards the park!

http://zyxcity.tumblr.com/

>>87539379
>>87539400
>>87539451
>>87540061

Good stuff, keep it up!

>>87537543
Just binged it all. not quite interested enough to bookmark it yet, but keep posting updates in here and maybe i'll get hooked. i really don't get what happens at the end

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>>87538826
Definitely went over board with the screentones, I wasn't confident with my lineart standing on its own but by the time I realize it "I am in too deep can't stop now." Can't really defend the art in general, I did re drew a lot of the perspective shots but its the best I could do. Like you said, beginners mistakes. Like all the things I read in McClouds book I will hopefully get better with practice.

Some of your other criticism I don't quite get though, like in the second page I establish a 13 year old is a finalist in this grand tournament played by the worlds top players, how is that not an immediate hook? The first page is not unimportant exposition, its needed to establish that this game is a big deal which builds up the ending of the second page.

The whole skipping of their battle is a complete failure as a gag I guess. I really did meant it to be humorous. Originally that page wasn't there, threw it there at the last second. Whats your take on these 3 pages without it? The "joke" is that glasses kid is confident in his decks and right after that we see him being overwhelm by his opponent. The page I inserted was my take on a sponge bob time card.

The target audience is MTG players who probably don't wanna read 20 pages of a kid learning how to play, besides that, figured there was no harm in skipping their game because I didn't intent any build up to it besides the last panels before we cut to their game ending. Prior to that, the MC had no interest in playing the game so really don't feel like I am letting the reader down by not showing this match. The real build up I was working for in the first 8 pages was the MC being completely uninterested and reluctant to play the game, and the climax is not him winning but being overjoyed with the game. Finally smiling since he was introduce when he wanted to play overwatch.

>>87540351
I read both the positive and negative reactions to the skip before reading it myself so my perspective is slightly tainted, but I think I don't mind it much, it just needed to be slightly different. Better to have a (SOME TIME LATER) and then "alright you seem to be picking it up quickly, let's play!"

>>87540351
>in the second page I establish a 13 year old is a finalist in this grand tournament played by the worlds top players, how is that not an immediate hook?
It was funny to me how you made this seem like a big deal. Kids being the best at things is a very common thing with this type of shit.

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>>87540758
It does feel like something is missing, maybe I will add a montage or series of panels where glasses kid goes from having a smirk on his face to a frown.

>>87540821
heh, back in 2004 a 15 year old was a pro tour and world champion. he went on to become a pro poker player.

>>87540351
>like in the second page I establish a 13 year old is a finalist in this grand tournament played by the worlds top players, how is that not an immediate hook? The first page is not unimportant exposition, its needed to establish that this game is a big deal which builds up the ending of the second page.

No the anon you replied to, but you can't expect us to care about a character after just two pages worth of exposition.

>He's really REALLY good at playing Magic you guys!
>Because he really REALLY likes it!
I can do impressions of a shitload of cartoon characters.

Do I have you hooked with this quirk and no characterization? Do you feel invested in me as a person because of some accomplishment or feat you've heard about me?
Of course not. People want to see
>Motivation
>Personality
>Schism

You've got to embrace the setting you've created rather than force whatever you want to happen in it, much like the real world. You have to make me care about this Gary Stu motherfucker by showing me that he's more than a cardboard cutout that's good at MtG by doing more than a very rough draft of a shounen manga.

And speaking of; why Magic the Gathering?
If your goal is to bring in the WotC audience you'd have to know so much shit about the rules that you'd be qualified to become a DCI certified judge. Nobody wants replays of shit they've seen before on the Pro Tour, they'd want a fresh and exciting victory every time to show off how good your Stu can handle buissness. You can make the same impact but with a ton more creative and situational freedom by making a card game up.

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>>87541103
Did not expect the reader to care about the MC in the first two pages as he wasn't even introduce yet, the idea that some 13 year old made it hat far was supposed to be hook.

I do plan to show the MC flaws but first I had to introduce him and his friends while also setting up that he got into a fight with his best friend. Thats a lot for 20 pages, thought I was moving at a decent pace cramming all that while establishing he has a knack for card games.

The following chapters will focus on the MC struggling, pic related. It supposed to foreshadow that his rival is a far more advanced player who plays eternal formats.
The MC is a good pilot but a terrible deck builder, his glasses friend will be his partner that builds decks for him. Before that, MC will challenge his rival with his own deck that is filled with bulk rares, and will get destroyed by a pauper deck. "HOW DID I LOSE TO A DECK FILLED WITH COMMONS!? IS THIS WHAT YOU THINK OF ME!? NOT WORTH THE EFFORT TO USE A REAL DECK!"
Also, the twist to the second page is that the MC and rival both get a pro tour invite by taking first and second place at the junior super league but both will get destroyed at the pro tour. A true 13 year old prodigy is the one that makes it to the finals. Suddenly they both have to start working together to up their game, glasses kid starts getting jealous. not sure why i am using spoilers as if any one really cares right now

>why Magic the Gathering?
I am aware that I am limiting my audience, but by making it about something I am passionate about I am more likely to stick with it. maybe thats a mistake though

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>>87539907
Hmm, mainly I was talking about panel 5 because the way that bubble is distributed, but if you think body language is important in that panel, than that's fine I think.

When it comes to pitch and tones, I probably need to use the type of musical notations and how they are illustrated, I think. Maybe there are way of distorting them and judging from the reaction of people around them when they are doing it.

Or if its really bad, using some sort of unfitting onomatopoeia.

>>87542240
you could put a faded uppy-downy line in the background representing raising and lowering pitch and the pattern it makes, like twilight princess's howling thing

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>>87542240
The 'standard' way is making the note squiggly like this. Another way you could do it is if you're coloring it, do something with colors and tones. The right song has its own color while a wrong note is a disgusting brown or flat black compared to the rainbow rightness.

I feel like all this practicing-in-front-of-you-guys has made my technique impruuve.

bump! should have this page done soon

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>>87539395
>you still have to try to bring the tip of the chin out away from the neck
Not sure if this fix is enough, I honestly didn't like how it looked on pencil so when I inked it, I removed it, but it wasn't hard to bring it again.

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>>87544657
That's a start! but feel under your chin. You have a decent amount of space under there, right? and it's basically parallel to, and nearly the same shape as, the space under your nose.

>>87544833
I see, thanks a bunch, I will save this for reviewing for future stuff, I'll try to deliver next time.

>>87498441
So when it comes to giving names to your characters, does it have relate to the character(ie have a deep meaning) or does it not matter?

>>87545671
Doesn't really matter unless you're making a comic that's an allegory of something.

>>87545671
As long as it SOUNDS like it should mean the right thing, it'll work fine.

>>87545671
It doesn't have to have a deeper meaning, but I personally like it when it does.
What it does have to do is fit the setting. Don't name your average high school protagonist Voldemort, and don't name your chivalrous knight protagonist Jimmy. Figure out what kind of name their parents would have given them and go from there.

>>87545671
I think I'm rare for this, but I actively hate when it does if it's aimed for an audience above age 12. I always consider the background and personality of their parents when I name characters, and the broader culture. Names being prophetic with no reasonable explanation as to how rubs me the wrong way.

>>87546241
i suppose it's unfortunate that we don't live in a culture that names kids prophetic things, but we still enjoy reading stories about them. it says a lot about our relationship with reality.

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hey all, would appreciate some feedback on a couple things like character design, how the drawing looks, and coloring. Haven't settled on a design for the staff yet, so I'm leaving it blank for now. I'm kind of new to digital art, so I'm mostly experimenting with the paint brushes to see what I get.

My comic is supposed to be told as a legend, so I want the colors to look kind of "cave drawing" like or something to reflect that, hence the pastels. I think this is what I'm going for (except I need to get better at coloring of course, which will come with time), but I don't know if that necessarily looks good to a reader

>>87546329
I enjoy fantasy, but if a kid's called... I dunno, say, Remus Lupin when his parents couldn't have possibly predicted he'd be a werewolf, it just pulls me out of the story to laugh at how blatant and silly it was to do that. I read a webcomic with a redheaded werewolf named Clifford and it being actively a joke is what saves it. It's a fun comedic element, not a great strategy in general.

>>87546241
What if there is a reasonable explanation for the names being prophetic?
Like a guy named Jack Wolfe who it turns out is a werewolf but it turns out his family has a long history of hereditary lycanthropy and that's where the name came from.

What if prophecies are things that just happen a lot in the setting, especially during magical times like childbirth?

What if it's explicitly stated that naming a thing changes its fate?

>>87546348
These colors make me think less of cave drawings and more of children's crayons.
Maybe if you used a lot of white space, except rather than white you had a rock texture, and then had a texture on your color layer like the paint was flaking off, you could get something similar to Egyptian tomb paintings.
The shading would definitely have to go IMO

>>87546644
>These colors make me think less of cave drawings and more of children's crayons.
yeah, I see what you mean, although I'm not necessarily opposed to that either if it fits thematically with what I'm going for. Do you think that could work well too?

In any case, it seems like you're saying it's mostly a texture issue, yeah? I'll def play around with the settings to see how to achieve those tomb painting qualities

>The shading would definitely have to go IMO
wait, really? how come?

>>87546485
yeah it is a little contrived. but that's a fantastic example, since technically lupin is a flower. nothing to do with wolves, it just so happens it sounds like lupine. It makes you THINK of wolves, but isnt technically straining credibility.

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>>87546861
Shading just doesn't seem all that cave painting-ish. Greeks, Egyptians, Mesopotamians etc all seemed to use flat colors up until the Romans.

Not that a comic emulating the style of ancient Roman frescoes wouldn't be awesome, it's just not as ancient feeling.

>>87546644
As I mentioned, I'm only annoyed if there's no reasonable explanation.

>>87547369
i mean, those old paintings of horses kinda have soft shading, but it's more like.... make a black outline of a horse, then soft-paint some brown to represent the brown bit of a horse, and leave the rest cave-wall-colored

>>87546902
It still absolutely is, but I get where you're coming from.

It's like calling a guy who turns into an ape, I dunno, Guerilla Goodall.

>>87548196
or like, Garry.

>>87548231
Lupin's closer to Lupine than that is to Gorilla. It'd be like Gary L.A. Goodall.

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WIP of the next page!

>>87548304
or like, Abe.. because ape.
>>87548403
oy jeez. poor angel. that's gonna scar her. telling terrible jokes that only half work is a coping mechanism

I think it would be worth your time to do some redrawing of the knife here.. it never once looks like a knife, and the location on the pig that it's in isn't consistent at all

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>>87546241
>>87547976
As far as planning my characters I didn't give much thought into it really, hell I haven't given any my characters last names cause I didn't think people would care that much about it.

I mostly just picked random names that sounded cool, yet simple, or further down the series would have more fantasy type names.

>>87506192
Doing drawabox right now, I can already tell it's really helping. But is drawing like working out where I shouldn't do it every day and need to give the muscles a day off every so often to really form, or should i be doing it as much as possible, whenever possible, all the time? Triceps are nice and sore after an hour or so.

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Humor's a little contrived in this one, but it's leading somewhere

>>87551235
anytime you're feeling mentally tired, you can't focus, go ahead and take some time off. you'll do nothing good in that mode. It's not really like working out, it's more like studying. When your eyes get blurry, you quit reading the textbook, you're not going to be absorbing it at that point anyway.

>>87498464
Aww. Invisible Ink is cut short. Really enjoyed it.

>>87498464
>>87551494
OP, I found the entirety of Invisible Ink, in case anyone cares.

https://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/16su/resources/invisible_ink_pages_0901.pdf

>>87551599
note to whoever makes the next thread, please to replace that with this

>>87551697
these threads were a mistake, let this be the last

>>87551414
Oh good, thanks a lot. I also picked up a couple art and instruction books so I have a lot of material to work through.

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Hi everyone, wip here. Could I get your opinions on panel 2 and three - if the girl's face is huge in the top corner and if the boy's arm is too narrow in the next one? I've been looking at it for a long time and it's hard to tell.

>>87551599
Saved this, thanks for sharing.

>>87551869
definitely, on both counts
additionally, the thumb anatomy is a bit off (different shaped thumb tip and rounded palm bulge is what you want) and in the 2nd panel his entire arm is tiny and short.
the foot in the first panel is small too, but not terribly.
The anatomy's so good other than those examples that I'm wondering if you're just using a lot of references or what? Things like her OTHER hand's fingers in panel 3, or pretty much all of the inset panel below the first two, are fantastic.

>>87551945
Thanks for the advice and catching the foot, I will fix those up before continuing.

If I need examples for hands that I can't quite get right I get my sister or mom to pose for me so I can take a picture. It backfires sometimes because they come out all skinny though. This one only needed hand references in panel 3.

beuhghmp

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>>87540061
Intense stuff, nice art.

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Some concepts for a little side series I might do either as a comic or an animated thing.

It's a series that has all kinds of soldiers inspired by actual wars, or from video games. and they're just doing there thing, trying to beat the opposing enemy.

This is the main team the series focuses on.

One of them is secretly a girl.

I want to call this series total war, but I have a feeling that's already the name of a series.

>>87554081
it's the subtitle of a series, yeah. i forget what.
you could call it 'totally war' though and that would capture the presumably lighthearted and parodic tone you're going for nicely.

>>87554081
Those characters are way too detailed for your haphazard approach to lines and shapes. Even seasoned pro animators would have a hard time keeping them straight.

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Meanwhile in the moon.
Words.

>>87554081
>2 years
>$0 patreon
>still draws like garbage
>still thinks he's going to "make it"

>>87555071
Shockwave's text in panel 2 is kind of cramped.
In the final panel, you've got a bit of overlap between the ink and the text.

>monter senses
What?

Also, the rim lighting on Talon in panel 3 is kind of excessive. We don't really need to see every detail on her legs

>>87555462
>monster senses
And thanks.

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It's been months since I first posted my stuff here. Some people would remember it, but whatever:
After a month-long internship, I was able to get the joy of working back, so I was able to work on both my game and my webcomic.
Thing is, after a week and yesterday trying to dust off my tumblr blog, I felt incredibly alone, in the sense that I have just one or two people I can share my work with, but on my tumblr and deviantart (I want to change my weeaboo nickname but I can't) I have nothing, despite having maybe 14 subs.

What I'm getting at is this: if I don't get returns from my works (be it constructive criticism or appreciation comments) then my works are pretty much worthless. This is what i realized, and I need a place where I can share my work with and be sure I'll get feedback, but I feel desperate because despite having a tumblr and a deviantart, I have nothing. Maybe a like or a fav, but those are pretty much weightless if there's no actual feedback.

TL;DR: Despite having something to show, I get no feedback despite having a tumblr and deviantart, which is vital for me to go on.

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On to Phase II. Figuring out what the hell the comic is even going to be about. Since it's supposed to be practice writing short stories I figured I'd start with a series of brief conversations and sight gags or something...

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I think I might let this page rest now.

>>87556063
Sometimes getting feedback in these threads is a little hard, but if you ask specific questions you'll often get an answer.

Bump, I guess.

Bump again, I GUESS.

Bump dammit.

>>87560938

Dunno, man. It's Tuesday.

>>87561803
but there's still plenty to discuss about what's already been posted!

>>87535158
It did, but why make it shitty? Don't you think people would like it more if it weren't shitty?

>>87556063
You aren't getting feedback because you still haven't tackled the basics. Study figures and anatomy.

>>87564308
I don't think he's trying to be realistic with his style. Ease up.

>>87564308
>>87564353
From those running poses, this guy's got a lot of stuff down.. like, I don't LIKE the face style, but he's keeping it consistent and evidently constructing it pretty well. There's really not much to say though.

>>87564353
The hell does that have to do with anything?

You can draw in a cartoony style or even go abstract as fuck if you want, but you'll want to study your figures and anatomy in the first place so you can diverge from reality with purpose.

I'm not saying they have to learn how to render in a realistic style, I'm saying they have issues with basic anatomy and perspective. Shit looks flat and jank and they should study their figures more before looking for feedback.

>>87564458
>ou can draw in a cartoony style or even go abstract as fuck if you want, but you'll want to study your figures
absolutely
>and anatomy
absolutely wrong.
Just because a character might (and I emphasize might) represent a real-life thing such as a human or animal doesn't mean by any stretch that drawing it is automatically deliberately "diverging from reality"
and I'm really sick of people insisting otherwise.

learning to distinguish depth from flatness has nothing to do with studying anatomy and everything to do with studying how to make a cube not look like a square.

that said, I'm not seeing issues with flatness in this guy's art.. It's just weird choices. weirdly angular, weird eyes, massive head on an otherwise halfway realistically-styled body..

>>87563921
Maybe it's time for you to stop talking now.

You might learn too much.

>>87564538
you're not helping
not that there was any good way to reply to something as retarded as that post

>>87564503
Anon, figure drawing and anatomical study are one and the same. Having a strong foundation there is important regardless of what style you want use, and style is no excuse for poor basic skills. The art referenced isn't terrible or anything, but it's obvious that their construction isn't as solid as it could be from that sitting pose and the running poses. They're somewhat dynamic and it's a good start, but they're quite stiff. Moreover it's difficult to really judge the faces as we really haven't seen them from many angles.

I'm not personally a huge fan of the style so I'm not sure I can offer much beyond that, but I do like the design of his uniform in the bottom right.

>>87564621
>figure drawing and anatomical study are one and the same.
they aren't though. unless you have a weird definition of anatomy

>>87564503
>absolutely wrong.
You're right, learning where the pelvis and trapezius are and how they function will in no way help you in learning how to draw the human body and permutations upon it. It also won't help your design sense to be able to reckon what you do and don't need to convey the image you wish to get across.

Laarnin is just domb and wont help yu nun!

>I'm not seeing flatness.
The entirety of the face. No matter which way the character turns, his eyes are entirely flat because the face is being drawn as a simple curved surface rather than a three dimensional object within which they eyes held. Similarly, there's issues with foreshortening and perspective, especially in the resting-in-chair doodle, and it appears this character's legs just spawn from a conjoined point rather than being connected to hips.

I didn't give a long-winded diatribe because I thought "You aren't going to get good advice until you practice anatomy and figure drawing more" would be a good enough place to start, but I guess I was being too optimistic.

>>87564538
Replying to bait just makes you look like an idiot.

>>87564727
>just be yourself BRO

>>87564691
> the face is being drawn as a simple curved surface
yeah. it's not flat is it? he's clearly intending to draw a face that exists as a texture on a curve.
>pretending not to get what I mean
that's pisspoor debate, m8. learning where the pelvis and trapezius are won't help you if you're drawing something NOT the human body, or NOT permutations upon it. That was all I said in that post: not everything is the human body. for example, a snail, a shark, or a cartoon blob.

>>87565100
Oh god, I didn't realize I was talking to you.

Pretend I never said anything, there's no point in discussing this.

>>87565100
Why does it matter that you won't use your knowledge of human anatomy to draw a shark if anon is drawing a human? Like what the fuck that's like saying perspective doesn't matter if you draw a stickman, it's true but why bring it up?

>>87565314
Just because a character might represent a real thing doesn't mean that character is being drawn from a 'start with real life, then diverge' perspective. Most western cartoons don't. There's nothing about drawing a head as a sphere that has any resemblance to a real head, it's just a kooky fun choice they make. Same goes for eyes as circles, limbs as rubber hoses, or anything like that.
Anon spoke in absolutes, I'm refuting that statement. Even though aspects of it obviously do apply to this guy's art, which is one of the reasons I don't really like it. The body is based on realism while the head and face seem to be from a totally different style.

I really want to know what the criticism anon's comic is. I bet it's fucking amazing.

>>87565716
I'm curious as well, but technically that's also a shitty way to debate. And it's not as if anyone's trying to say anatomy and figure drawing are bad

>>87565716
I really hope you mean the anon who got criticized and you aren't trying to start drama.

Because "work on your anatomy" is about as innocuous as criticism can get.

>>87565826
He replies to literally everything, if you haven't noticed.

>>87565859
Do you mean
>>87565716
or
>>87564308
?

>>87565984
does it really fucking matter?

>>87566620
I guess you're right, it's a shitpost either way.

behumples

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In today's comic, Tuler's trying to get some answers.

http://zyxcity.tumblr.com/

>>87568544
random thought, have you considered using a harder brush for your energy stuff? You do want it to seem soft like flames, but flames usually have harder edges than you're using, this looks a little more smokey than you're probably going for

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this schmuck here >>87546348
>>87547369
is this looking any better? Went for more flat colors this time around
still can't settle on staff design

>>87568961
I mean, right now it's some kind of giant q-tip.. what kind of staff were you going for?

>>87569127
>I mean, right now it's some kind of giant q-tip
lol yeah

the staff is white because it's just a placeholder for this drawing, so it's kind of "empty", save for a general shape. I'm not concerned with the design at this stage quite yet, I'm just trying to nail down a general look for the comic first and get some opinions on character design/lineart.

in any case, my ideas are a staff that emphasizes motion because there will be a lot of spinning, hence the beads at the end. I like the idea of using League's Wukong staff as a reference at some point down the line, but it's the little details like engravings I'm afraid of tackling.

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>>87556075

With (most of) the dialogue. I always seem to lean towards jumping into scenes in the middle of conversations. Probably because it feels better than going through ALL of the motions of establishing several basic setup frames.

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Most Of the popular Webcomic is either SOL or comedy, they are easier to draw but hard to write (depending on the writing), but what about action webcomic? Will an action comic focus on the world-building, fighting, armor design with a moderate writing, how will it turn out?

>>87568544
Neat colors

>>87568961

That looks pretty cool!

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>>87568732
Actually, I was going for a smokey-looking aura, to fit with a psychic mysticism.

Though I do probably need to be a tad harder when I eventually have to do Ben's electric aura again. I want to make his look jagged the next time he fights.

>>87569463
What are you asking? This is pretty gnarly art

>>87569639
its a draft, I want to make an action comic with a lot of fighting but with a pretty mediocre writing, I just want to know if its a bad idea, don't worry about the art, its not good but its not terrible, either.

>>87569727
i mean it's only a sketch for now, but it looks really cool. Obviously it depends on how well you can clean those up

anyway yeah there's room for mindless action comics as long as you're pretty upfront with the audience about that being what you're doing

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>>87569917
Yeah, I can clean up pretty nice and my art can range from that to this.
And what would be the best way of begin an action comic?
Giant monster attacking the city?
An accident about to happen?
A War going on?
Just show the character on their daily lives?
And what are the red flags of webcomic? As well as action webcomic?

>>87569980
fucking amazing.. that's gorgeous.. it has my favorite colors.. okay the flat tip of that weapon would be useless, and the very incorrect leg arrangement triggers me, but it's still awesome and YOU are awesome.

um... do you have any ideas about story? I feel like I need more information before I can give any input on how to start the story.

>>87569980
fuckin rad dood
my only suggestion is to have some speculars of the axe on the armor, since it looks pretty luminous and the armor looks shiny

as for how to begin your comic, that seems more like a writing hurdle, it really depends on what you want it to be about. DBZ's major draw, for example, is just mindless violence, but they still have some semblance of story to tie it all together

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>>87570202
The weapon is an Energy Axe, doesn't matter the the shape, one touch and we have toast.
Sorry for the leg, I didn't have much drawing with devil's leg.
The Story is about a Nephelim try to stop a galaxy war between Humans, Angels, Demons, sentient A.I, Parasitic Planets and at the same time, try to kill a God. Set in the far Future but still have some fantasy element here and there

>>87570332
nevertheless, a flat edge is the hardest possible way to touch someone. no matter
i can tell english isn't your first language, where are you from?
If the story is about trying to stop a war, then the best way to start is to show us some of the conflicts leading up to that war. show the escalation of disagreements between these factions and how close they are to all-out warfare. it'll create some nice tension

>>87570202
shut the fuck up coldfusion

>>87570239
Thanks, I don't know much about shading, I just put base color then just blur it with other shade of color.
My story would have Fantasy Race in Sci-fi setting. Action would be large, people beating in most brutal ways but it won't just be mindless, for example:
Building is destroyed because the material use to make building can be use to lower power shield or decrease damage threshold .
People being beaten in the most brutal ways because they have healing factor so you need to burst them down and make their mind break.

>>87570451
One thing I learn from 4chan is not to tell where you from.
Thanks for the advices, I will show the main character stopping a terrorist act from Suicide Goblin

>>87570522
is that a thing? I thought we liked foreign bros

>>87570589
Nah, Its a thing to avoid /pol/. But I can tell you that my Country has fought Chinese, France, Japanese and America, we won

>>87570332
>>87570503
I think you will benefit greatly from learning rendering. I mean, I like this, but I want to LOVE it and I feel as though your colors are holding you back. They're not bad, they just seem "off". Sorry, I know that's not particularly descriptive.

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It was fun to draw a room just full of junk. I think it'd be cool to live in a big old house just full of nooks and crannies and antiques to discover.

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toot toot it's the update train

Road 2 18th of November

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>>87570608
Fuck off Vietnam fucking shits

>>87570612
Well, then, I will try black and white drawing first then do rendering

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>>87570661
Every time I see this comic I'm reminded of that one horror-y comic about the dude falling in a hole and becoming a bug-man and scaring himself in the past into falling down the hole and becoming a bug-man

That was a weird comic. This one is good though.

>>87570589
See? I told you so
>>87570694

>>87570727
Not really, it's your fault for going VIETNAM STRONK!!!1! instead of just saying you're from Vietnam

>>87570752
That the only thing about Vietnam that I think people know about, other than that, probably Pho or a large amount of moped

>>87570824
Just tell them directly man, no one is going to talk shit about your country for no reason unless they are mega douches.

Try it next time and see how it goes.

>>87570608
nobody has ever won against america, but we did tie twice. and we secretly respect you for that

>>87570961
Ok then, thanks. I'm from Vietnam

>>87571214
We respect you too, that why we are so pro-american

>>87570615
Why don't you try to make a series about small people living in a big house will full of stuff? Like a hoarder house, you could use the house item to tell the story of the owner, as well as to make different environment for the small peoples

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working colors/outfits for my MC's for the next arc. might change the left one's top to a less in-your-face color. any suggestions about the clothes in general?

>>87571652
cool bro. your english is actually pretty good. We'll be happy to proofread for you when you post it.

>>87571867
Thanks, see you in the next 2 years or 2 weeks

>>87570615
I find it baffling that there aren't any super-immersive first-person videogames where you play as some kind of tiny person or creature, exploring an incredibly richly detailed house like that. It's a presentation I haven't ever seen done

>>87571865
it's bright cyan but it's not eye-searingly bright cyan.
did ol' greentop always have such a high crotch? huh. poor guy. Still, that doesn't mean he has to wear such a short shirt, does it? Doesn't have to be a total Fred Mertz. unless I haven't been paying attention and that is exactly what kind of guy he is.

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>>87571922
huh, i guess i could make his shirt longer couldn't i. yeah i always try to push how short his torso is and how long his legs are.
i kept his shirt short to help with his silhouette, i might make it longer though as it wouldn't change it much.

>>87571963
the eternal struggle: the artist wants to keep his anatomy accurate and consistent (and show to any naysaying critlcs that he knows how it's done), but the characters as real people probably don't want their clothes to be so illustrative..

>>87571902
Probably because a third-person perspective is considered to work better - you can actually see how your tiny protagonist scales up to the everyday objects they're interacting with.
There might be some potential for VR first person though.

>>87573854
well the firstperson aspect is the best way to get a picture of the scale.. to see normal objects just towering over you. in something like Katamari, you quickly forget how tiny the little guy is since you can pretty much zoom the camera wherever it needs to be. but sure, it doesn't have to be. my point is it would solve a lot of things modern games have chronically lacked, so it's weird nobody has done it
and to get back on topic, it would be neat for a comic too, but a ton of work

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Bump.

>>87571760
That's a great idea! What I'm doing is actually kind of like that, but with nature instead of household objects.

>>87577304
Nature is nice and all but it is overdone and easy to made, you would attract more attention if you do a household objects

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I have finally finished page 2.
I'm learning as I go.

>>87577429
>abandoned manor house in a deep forest
>society of thumbelinoids have set up in the interior
Best of both worlds.

>>87577478
A few issues stand out to me.
I think the light-on-the-wall effects could really benefit from a more gradual, textured transition from light to dark. Something like what you did in panel two, but more so. The sudden change makes it harder to figure out the shape of the tunnel than it should be.
Why no shadows on the characters? I really miss it in panels where they should be silhouetted against the brighter background, like the final panel.
You really don't need the white outline outside of the black outline when placing a character in front of a black background.

>>87577729
>Why no shadows on the characters?
I didn't want to muddle the characters too much. I really should start working with greyscale, but I want to try being fast at first, to get into a rhythm and plan my daily schedule around this.
I'm kind of thinking of those early pages as "to redraw in future".

>>87570721
that was a pretty cool comic

it was the one in hell, right? and he climbs out and finds his cat?

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A great west tree pic.

>>87573373
>>87578294

i didn't want to believe

What are the perfect pieces to making a Milf character besides a big hips and caring personality.

Also can a Milf be short or will that ruin it, you think?

>>87580267
Making them a character instead of a fetish.

No, really, you'll get better mileage if yoy approach them as a character that you write out first and a contextual boner stimuli second. Fanservice characters that try to appeal efficiently are less desirable than characters with nuance that also overlap with fetishes. Making your audience care about them is way more cost effective than stressing over the right height or hip size.

>>87581384
Yeah I hear you, and Milf's aren't really my thing. So it'll be easy not making it a fetish. and I have a character all planned out but I just want to make them...More like a hot mom than they are, just little details that would help that. So the character looks like they act.

>>87581623
Well, maybe think of a character as a continuum. Consider what they look like through the course of their life.

Maybe start with a traditionally attractive woman and think about how they would age, or consider a character build that you don't necessarily find hot and ask what effects of aging would potentially increase their attractiveness.

Like, as long as you're actually trying to draw an aged person instead of a 22 year old who's REALLY 55, you should be fine.

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>>87540227
Thanks!

>>87542267
I am thinking about stretching musical notes itself into those lines maybe.

>>87543079
Good idea, I am also thinking about making them having sparkles and flowering accompaniment and other decorations, or having dirty looking rendering, or something like that, depending on the type of sound its trying to convey.

Some additional inking.

1/2 , this page follows >>87539451

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>>87582518
2/2 I am not good with these dialogues. Some introduction phase of comic can be somewhat hamfisted but later development makes it better. Although I haven't encounter those in a while.

>>87576583
rut roh.. i-is blai okay?

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>>87584074
Now that would be spoiling things, Anon-kun.

>>87580267
most milfs are short. that's kinda part of it.

>>87578294
You belong in the garbage.

beep

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do you guys think the composition is a bit bland?

>>87588066
looks nice to me. good establishing shot. nice continuity with the hooded thing passing by...

>>87576583
>>87584651
Do horses actually lay down to sleep? I always thought they didn't normally do that, but I'm no horse expert.

>>87588066
Bland is fine for a scene like this.
If you want to be more creative though, you could make the whole page one big shot of the train station from above and have the different panels be just frames to show their location as they move through the place.

>>87588227
they do sometimes, just not every time. and they don't sleep that much
that's a wolf though

>>87588227
They usually stand up, but they do lie down every now and again.
That's a good catch, though.

>>87588262
She clearly says that's a horsie. Guess I'll have to make it more clear from the art.

>>87577494
cool

>>87588314
Oh I got lost (and had trouble reading the sketchy words, i know you fix that later) after she said 'stupid wolf' and I missed the 'horsie' part. so they have both?

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Just a WIP.
It's not actually breaking the 4th wall if she means a plot twist in her imagination, right?

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Current WIP, subject to feedback, except on the sappiness. Sorry </:^)

>>87590597
aw her pupils are broken up because she's feeling broken up

>>87590861
Yeaaaaaaah..... t b h, that's not final, I did that as a reminder that her eyes need to be teary when I add colour, because I know I'm gonna forget about it even though that's exactly what's happening.

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I'm always one to make one design and work on it as i go on... This will be the initial design for the Grim Reaper.

>Why does he have one long and short wing?
Will be explain in comic, no spoilers!

>Why does he have one arm?
Clue: What do you think that other arm does?

>>87592395
love the idea of the wings wrapped around him
i would work on the wing tips a bit so they have more distinct primaries
You don't need to add a thing, but if you did.. maybe more shit hanging from the belt.

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WIP of the next page!

Let me tell you that this fight is gonna be confusing as hell, but it'll all make sense in the end.

>>87577478
I think it looks pretty good. I would vary my ink textures with some fethering and maybe a little hatching. Also I would spot some blacks on the figures and lose the white outline, replacing it with rim-light as needed.
This is me, so you know, I'm no expert.
>>87555071

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Finished this page!

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In today's comic, Sonny fucks up and the crew head into the mountain.

http://zyxcity.tumblr.com/

>>87595287
subtle, but still bad

>>87588066
>>87589791
>>87590597
>>87592395
>>87595287
>>87595510

Good stuff, keep it up!

>>87595523
Subtle? What's subtle in this strip?

>>87595510
So Sonny has a flying nimbus. Imma guess it's a family thing.

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Monster Lands updated! Othera is back, and her fishing skills are on display this page!
Read more Monster Lands here: http://www.monster-lands.com/

>>87596793
fishing by hand is so weirdly badass.

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Whatcha think of my webcomic, xuys?

Recently my funding for it dropped off, but I think there's still some strong potential!

>>87597023
>dawgs
>are clearly frawgs
1/10

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>>87569377

>>87597513
>>87569377

For those of you who have dedicated yourself to the weekly grind. What do you do to keep yourself from getting disheartened as you make progress little by little?

My biggest thing is coming home from working all day and then forcing myself to pick up a stylus. Right now I'm trying some ideas for forming habits to help, but I'm curious what other people do to get motivated.

>>87597513
hehehe, nice. It'll be interesting seeing this relatively 'solid' style of yours handling someone as way-out as betelgeuse.
>>87597562
easy for me, i'm addicted. the tough part is doing anything OTHER than drawing

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New page. How badly am I fucking up my glow effects? I wanted the big neon wings to be prominent for this page but I think my lighting/shading isn't doing it.

>>87598289
your wings have never looked exactly GLOWING but they do look neon. Like they're made of bright neon plexiglass. I do see some attempt to make them casting light onto his hoodie, but honestly it looks more like transmitted light than cast light. like as if light shone through something transparent.
the EYES look like they're glowing, because you have a soft glowing edge around them. the wings don't appear to have that.

>>87598411
Weird, I've been treating the eye and wing glow the same. They're the same layer and everything. Maybe the difference is that the eyes are part of the full character lineart and the wings are their own thing? Or maybe I just understand eyeballs better than I understand abstract energy shapes.

>>87598458
maybe I'm not seeing it, but it looks like the pupils are a hard shape with a fuzzy glow emitted from them, while the wings are just soft-brushed onto a linear dodge layer. They look like a much softer lineart, and they're transparent which changes the look too. It's hard for things to glow AND let light through. Have you considered upping their opacity?

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I feel like posting the sketch this time. Robin looks really fun and posey in the last panel. Ever since someone in one of these threads made me try going more cartoony with her just for a lark, I've had more fun with her.. which is good because previously I kinda hated drawing her.
more insight into Tenshi's fate. Clearly she's not a succubus, so that's a relief.

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>>87598607
Top is what I used for the final page, bottom is with the wing lineart and wing color layer at 100% opacity (normal was 70%).

When I did this I realized that since I've got all my shading layers OVER the wings, and account for the wings' presence as a light source, it creates a semitransparent effect even when completely opaque. Didn't realize that would happen.

>>87578294
>Wearing your political views on your sleeve
>That terrible use of the paint bucket
>Those twisted torsos
>Those poorly drawn arms
>That left hand on his right arm
>That terrible anatomy for that matter

For what purpose?

Not comics-related, but does anyone have any advice for getting a lot of tiny commissions fast?

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Anything that needs work /co/?

>>87601564
Everything*. But the main thing I'd work on is not scribbling so much. Plan your lines and draw them in one smooth motion from the shoulder. Then press ctrl+z and do it over until you get it right. For really long straight lines, use the line tool.

*actually, your values aren't too bad.

>>87601632
Alright, thanks!

Im writing up some lore framework. How long do you think it would take in a post-apocalypse world for tribes and new cultures to form?