No, really. What went so very wrong?

>>87421705
About what?

Deadlines.

New goodies in every Previews.
What are you complaining about?

I have some cool comics from image on my backlog. What's OP's problem now?

Nothing.

It's still afloat, and it's still the best way for creative teams to make the books they wanna make, the way they wanna, for the audiences that wanna support them.

>>87421705
you uploaded the wrong company logo?

>>87421705
Explain what you find wrong and we'll work it out.

So far all I can think of is "there hasn't been more Witch Doctor"

>>87421705
>vertigo fan

>>87421705
Creators aren't held to any standards or deadlines, which leads to lots of comics puttering out after a few arcs while they focus on Big Two work.

>>87421705
Gay furry comics.

>>87421905
There's nothing wrong with young adult contemporary fantasy.

>>87421761
This. Also faggot fanboys that love the Image logo but still only buy the latest Hickman, or Remender, or BKV... Resulting in a very incestuous inbred line because everything else gets canceled.

>>87421971
>BKV
>Remender
>Hickman

One of these things doesn't belong. Replace it with Brubaker, and then you've got a decent list of the quality writers working with Image.

>giving a shit about logos
Faggot companyfag is a fat.

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>>87421948
Oh, yeah, that.

>it's January
>in The Year of Our Lord 2016
>be in my local LCS shop
>nervously approach the shopkeep
>ask for my pull list
>shopkeeper grins and starts talking loudly
>"Oh, you want the latest issue of Island? I hear it's ~furry~ good."
>other patrons are turning to look
>shopkeep holds up the issue for all to see
>"I bet you can't wait to get your ~paws~ on this one!"
>other patrons are now giggling
>I start to get sweaty, feel my face turning red
>I yank the issue out of their hands
>"What's the matter? I'm just ~horsing~ around with you!"
>all the patrons are laughing at me
>even that cute qt that I like
>I hand the shopkeep my allowance and run out
>I can feel their eyes on me
>I can feel the kibble tumbling out of my pockets
>I'm so martyfied that I can never return there ever again
The real seal on the deal was when that ass Morrison pulled the same shit with Heavy Metal, and I just had to grin and bear it.

>>87422049
Neither of those three are very good, they just took over the publisher.

>>87422135
Are they the only three people publishing books there? Are they even the highest selling authors there? No. Fucking moron.

not enough pressure to release things

>>87421926
it has been better lately. A lot of the comics do enough for a trade, take a couple months off so they can do another trade and so on. It's a good model

>>87421971
You have no idea what you're talking about, desu. Hickman is literally the main reason they have a reputation for everything getting 'cancelled'.

>>87422217
That's half the reason they're doing CO stuff at Image in the first place. Unless they hire an editor of course

>>87422109
>every Island cover so far is an awesome sci-fi/fantasy/abstract concept
>Doxy comes along and sticks some furry faggots on his doing absolutely nothing of interest

Shouldn't have bothered with him Brandon

>four issues in a year

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Really, if you dont like Image, who do you vote for the new position in the Big 3

>in b4 fantagraphics
70% of their output is shitty alt-comixx printings

>in b4 Black Mask
rising star but very unknown right now even with their few decent hits

>>87423079
IDW.

>>87422206
They publish a lot of shit there and they eat up all the attention which results in other series getting neglected and canceled. Retard.

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>>87423143
>Licensed Franchises: The Publisher
nah, way less creative than image

>>87423175
their crap to good output is very skewed, and i speak as someone who handles every comic release every week

>>87423208
>>Licensed Franchises: The Publisher

Thus perfectly inline with Marvel and DC.

>>87421705
Comics taking an hiatus.

>>87423079
Avatar press
>No Kirkman
>No Millar
>No SJWs

>>87423079
What are some good black mask comics?

>>87423272
Avatar looks like it'll be dead after Providence and Cinema Purgatorio end.

>>87423208
>Drumpf supporter hates Fanta
It makes sense.

>>87423469
It was never alive really

>>87423079
None, I hate this Big Two/Three shit, it's such a cancerous thing that has been killing the industry for too long. Thanks a fucking bunch, Diamond.

>>87421705
The only things they publish that actually sell worthwhile numbers are Walking Dead and Saga, pretty much everybody else would be better off with a publisher that offered editorial support and took a bigger cut of the sales to pay for it. Image appears to be making money for nothing to the detriment of creators.

It also doesn't help that they flood the market with as many books as a large publisher each month but don't have the audience reach to sell anything like as many. It must be hard for LCS owners to know what to take a chance on other than with existing names, because there's now so much shit coming from Image that you can't really preview it all easily. Again, a larger publisher might once have sent out gratuity copies to trusted retailers in order to get them interested in new lines; but with Image there's so many titles constantly stopping and starting that it becomes impractical... and on top of that, the very sporadic nature of sales does not build an audience. While I can appreciate that many smaller Image names might have real lives getting in the way of their sideline writing comics - because they won't be making enough to live on by any stretch of the imagination - every 14 year old with a YouTube channel, popular Tumblr or Twitter account knows you have to be consistent and you don't miss putting out content.

The Walking Dead is probably past its peak as a tv show (and certainly as a comic). It'll plod on for a little while but eventually collapse, taking with it a good chunk of Image's sales. Saga too; all things end, largely because they lose popularity. While Image might be happy to keep putting things like Spawn out on 2 copies sold a month, it's not a solid model.

tl;dr they've fallen foul of not having any editorial base at all, have no real plans and basically rely on the fortunes of individual titles, which would be fine if they could consistently pick winners; but Image doesn't seem to be able to discover new winners

>>87423848
>The only things they publish that actually sell worthwhile numbers are Walking Dead and Saga
you just don't pay any attention. Monstress was a huge success and was hitting top 10 charts. Seven to Eternity may be another huge success but it's too early to tell. And there are plenty others that sell well enough. Because they don't have a shitty corporate top heavy structure they don't have to sell as many books to earn the same amount

>>87421705
Nothing. Its a haven of good scifi.

>>87424020
> it's a heaven of mediocre sci-fi and fantasy pitches
fixed

>>87424048
>Prophet
>Black Science
>Starlight
>Manifest Destiny
>Manhattan Projects
>Tokyo Ghost
>Seven to Eternity
All great sci fi and there is plenty more I didn't name. Don't act like a faggot cause you don't know about any good titles. Go on their website and browse.

>>87423470
Knowing that this might derail stuff and stating for the record that I like Fantagraphics let me just ask:

Why do you think he's a Trump supporter? Because he used pepe which originates from Boy's Club, a comic published by Fanta?

>>87423848
>The only things they publish that actually sell worthwhile numbers are Walking Dead and Saga, pretty much everybody else would be better off with a publisher that offered editorial support and took a bigger cut of the sales to pay for it
Uh no?
Saga and TWD are like Batman
They're the outliers of the publisher but it doesn't mean everything else sells like shit.

Paper Girls, Monstress, I Hate Fairyland, Bitch Planet, Tokyo Ghost, Descender, The Wicked + The Divine, East of West, etc all sell really well in floppies and even better in trades.
If the creative team keeps it alive past 10 issues then it probably sells just fine for them, and Gillen (?) has said that 10k in floppies for an Image book in a cause for celebration.

>>87424213
>I’ll give you some really basic rule of thumbs for indie comic commentary:

>Anything selling stably over 10k in single issues is a cause for celebration and joy. The creators are almost certainly extremely happy.

>If you’re selling over (ooh) 12k, you’re probably making more than either of the big two would pay you, unless you’re one of the very biggest names.

>If you’re selling anything near 20k, you probably have to buy drinks for your friends.

>>87424097
>Remender
>Millar
Those two are average writers but smart enough to get great artists.

>>87424169
>pepe which originates from Boy's Club
And that Drumpf supporters love to use. Didn't you read the news lately.

>>87423185
>Good books by tried and true creative teams sell
Huh, whodda thunk?

>>87423175
>[Deleted]
Man, did my post hurt.

>>87424263
Pepe gets posted on 4chan by everyone, though.

>>87422109
Wait, that's a real cover? What a bizzare world we live in.

>>87424097
forgot Faster Than Light, one of the best sci fi comics out

>>87424316
/co/ is using it less since they knew about them alt-right voters adopting it as a symbol.

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>>87424169
Because it's the alt-right version and not #savepepe

>>87423848
>can't preview it all easily

so what the fuck ever happened to wizard magazine? one of the big two shut it down to destroy competition?

>>87421705
nothing. comics are one of the many media industries that consistently have writers and artists creating content for adult readers, only to have editors and corporate companies with monopolies push hard for younger consumers, so you get products that are easily forgotten and arbitrary

>>87424359
Wizard disappeared with the Internet, after contributing for so long to the death of the industry.

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>>87424345
They should start using apustaja instead :DDD

>>87423848
>it doesn't sell as much as batman
>it's not as good as batman

thank god for Image and the other smaller publishers that get stories that are good and have the authors expression in them. Corporate story telling is cancer

>>87421926
>while they focus on big two work

the death grips of the big two is real. they are destroying comics

>>87424237
That's kind of sad if you think about it

>>87423848
Anon, it's BECAUSE there is no editorial oversight and big publishers taking their book's profits is why creative teams are just fine with their Image books selling 10k in floppies.
10k for an image book is very comfortable, especially if the writer and artist do other shit at DC and Marvel, but 10k for a dc or marvel book is well below cancellation level.

And that's not getting into how much better Image in general is with their trades compared to Marvel and DC, and how you get full creative control over your comic, unlike the contracts WB forced on vertigo.

And also you're ignoring the books that sell 15k-35k.

>>87424440
Not as sad as the big two having to rely on relaunches, crossovers, events, and variants to boost their sales.

>>87424383
>after contributing for so long to the death of the industry

can you please elaborate? i'm thinking that wizard probably just jacked off to big two titles most of the time but i can't think of a way for non-big two material to have been showcased. correct me if i'm wrong

>>87424501
MUH REBIRTH!!! fuckin lol

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>>87424263
>>87424316
>>87424345
>>87424392

this is the "dr. frog" villain from the onyx comic (it was an homage to Rom but then IDW started Rom after getting the rights to it). alas and alack

>went wrong
Image objectively has improved dramatically though

>>87424678
i agree 100%

>>87424520
Wizard judged books by their sales, and they pressured the Big Two the way Tumblr and such pressure Marvel nowadays.

>>87424413
Without the big two there is no market for comics

>>87424807
the top 20 best selling graphic novels in bookstores last year

1. Dork Diaries 10 by Rachel Renée Russell (Aladdin/Simon & Schuster)
2. Dork Diaries 9 by Rachel Renée Russell (Aladdin/Simon & Schuster)
3. Drama by Raina Telgemeier (Scholastic/Graphix)
4. Smile by Raina Telgemeier (Scholastic/Graphix)
5. Sisters by Raina Telgemeier (Scholastic/Graphix)
6. Kristy's Great Idea: Full Color Edition by Ann M. Martin and Raina Telgemeier (Scholastic/Graphix)
7. Dork Diaries 1 by Rachel Renée Russell (Aladdin/Simon & Schuster)
8. Big Nate: Say Good-bye to Dork City by Lincoln Peirce (Andrews McNeel Publishing)
9. El Deafo by Cece Bell (Amulet Books/Abrams Books)
10. Batman: The Killing Joke by Alan Moore and Brian Bolland (DC Entertainment)
11. Star Wars: Jedi Academy by Jeffrey Brown (Scholastic)
12. The Truth About Stacey: Full Color Edition by Ann M. Martin and Raina Telgemeier (Scholastic/Graphix)
13. Big Nate's Greatest Hits by Lincoln Peirce (Andrews McNeel Publishing)
14. The Walking Dead Compendium 3 by Robert Kirkman, Charlie Adlard, Cliff Rathburn, Stefano Gaudiano (Image Comics)
15. Big Nate: Welcome to My World by Lincoln Peirce (Andrews McNeel Publishing)
16. The Walking Dead Compendium 1 by Robert Kirkman, Tony Moore, Charlie Adlard, Cliff Rathburn (Image Comics)
17. Big Nate: The Crowd Goes Wild! by Lincoln Peirce (Andrews McNeel Publishing)
18. Hyperbole and a Half by Allie Brosh (Touchstone/Simon & Schuster)
19. Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi (Pantheon Books)
20. Dork Diaries 9: Barnes & Noble Edition by Rachel Renée Russell (Aladdin/Simon & Schuster)

>>87424263
Idk why remender gets so much shit here, tokyo ghost, deadly class and Low are all great.

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>>87424780
damn that's sad.

>>87424807
lol
>without coke and pepsi there is not market for soda

mkay

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>>87424848
KEK

the only capeshit on that list is there for the singular reason that it was written by alan moore!!!


BAHAHAH capeshits BTFO

>>87424410
You talk as if walking dead is Kirkman' artistic expression.

>>87424888
He pissed off the SJW crowd, and /co/mblr is real.

Also his Cap run is pretty divisive.
Oh, and Axis was a huge letdown, but then again every event, not crossover, they've put out for like forever have been bummers.

>>87424848
Now post the list of best selling comics in comic book stores

>>87424888
i agree that remender is great. Uncanny X-Force was superb

>>87424948
>without coke and pepsi there is not market for soda
Then you're just stuck with Dr. Pepper products and shitty off brand sodas

>>87425059
>shitty off brand sodas

and by what do you gauge "shitty"? simply things you don't drink?

>>87425018
1 Star Wars† 1 1,073,027
2 Secret Wars 1 550,467
3 Bravest Warriors Tales Holo John† 1 502,964
4 Orphan Black† 1 502,023
5 Dark Knight III Master Race 1 449,099
6 Star Wars Vader Down 1 410,620
7 Darth Vader 1 315,578
8 Spider-Gwen 1 288,648
9 Invincible Iron Man 1 282,432
10 Princess Leia 1 271,019
11 Deadpool 1 261,805
12 Amazing Spider-Man 1 247,633
13 Secret Wars 2 234,017
14 Secret Wars 3 230,028
15 Secret Wars 4 227,284
16 Star Wars 2 219,689
17 Star Wars 4 216,325
18 Star Wars: Shattered Empire 1 215,191
19 Secret Wars 5 207,173
20 Amazing Spider-Man Renew Your Vows 1 206,499

Ah yes, the smell of events, #1s, and dozens of variants.
At least there are a couple normal Star Wars issues.

>>87425018
>only the fanboy target audience is relevant
>don't burst my bubble

>>87425071
Nigger, I'm poor, I do drink off brand sodas, and no the bottle that just says "COLA" is not as good as coke

>>87425087
gosh look at that first issue glut that no one cares about and won't be worth shit in 50 years

>>87425018
>>87425087
1 Saga Vol. 4 46,627
2 Saga Vol. 1 45,661
3 Saga Vol. 5 44,758
4 Civil War 42,602
5 Walking Dead Vol. 23 Whispers Into Screams 33,208
6 Batman The Killing Joke Special Ed HC 32,060
7 Saga Vol. 2 31,376
8 Walking Dead Vol. 1 Days Gone Bye 30,964
9 Saga Vol. 3 29,123
10 Star Wars Vol. 1 Skywalker Strikes 27,195
11 Walking Dead Vol. 24 Life And Death 26,792
12 Batman Vol. 1 The Court of Owls 24,996
13 Ms. Marvel Vol. 1 No Normal 23,777
14 Wicked & Divine Vol. 1 The Faust Act 23,024
15 Fables Vol. 22 21,215
16 Sex Criminals Vol. 2 Two Worlds One Cop 21,205
17 Batman Earth One HC Vol. 2 21,154
18 Wytches Vol. 1 20,034
19 Batman Dark Knight Returns 19,883
20 Deadpool Kills Marvel Universe 18,981

>>87425087
And lootcrate.
No way that Bravest Warriors or Orphan Black are on there normally, even with 1 billion variants.

>>87425118
i'm not rich either but if you're drinking soda you're fucking up your blood sugar.

>no bottle that just says "COLA" is good as coke

let me guess, you're one of those fucktards that think "a vote for jill stein is for one of the other two parties" which is a fallacy of composition?

no go ahead, argue with germans about budweiser vs. miller beers

>>87424848
For the actual sales

352,791 — DORK DIARIES 10
296,415 — DORK DIARIES 9
263,932 — DRAMA
240,045 — SMILE
219,421 — SISTERS
116,683 — KRISTY’S GREAT IDEA: FULL-COLOR
115,424 — DORK DIARIES 1
89,774 — BIG NATE: SAY GOOD-BYE TO DORK
73,258 — EL DEAFO
69,913 — BATMAN: THE KILLING JOKE HC
69,748 — JEDI ACADEMY
68,081 — THE TRUTH ABOUT STACEY: FULL-COLOR
66,898 — BIG NATE’S GREATEST HITS
66,442 — THE WALKING DEAD: COMPENDIUM V3 TP
62,666 — BIG NATE: WELCOME TO MY WORLD
60,493 — THE WALKING DEAD COMPENDIUM V1 TP
60,485 — BIG NATE: THE CROWD GOES WILD!
58,818 — HYPERBOLE AND A HALF
58,338 — PERSEPOLIS 1
58,261 — DORK DIARIES 9 TALES FRO B&N EDITION

http://www.cbr.com/looking-at-bookscan-2015/

wew, look at that #1 sales compared to >>87425124

>>87424888
>DROWN IN HOBO PISS
>REEEE DON'T USE THE M-WORD
I don't know either.

Shasta Cola actually is better than Coke.

Big K Ginger Ale is probably the best ginger ale on the market.


Vanilla Coke is the best soda because it tastes like Coke used to taste before the big formula change about 7-9 years ago. That was when Dr. Pepper pushed the "23" thing.

>>87425373
>soda
>ever
Stop being an Obamacare parasite.

>>87425487
RC Cola and moonpies is a redneck joke, and rednecks are unlikely to regard obama favorably

>>87425541
Rednecks are stupid and hypocritical enough to sign up for Obamacare; I mean, even Ayn Rand ended up using Social Security.

>>87425487
>tfw soda was around for decades before centralized "healthcare" and it was fine.

Vegan pls go

>>87425635
>Vegan
I love fish, anon. I simply hate junk food.

>>87425674
>fish
>not junk food

TOP KEK

>>87425677
>anon lives in a contaminated area
My condolences.

>>87426014
>he thinks he's free of Chemtrails

>>87421705
Hollywood execs are too stupid to read a book or come up with an original idea so they began to adapt comic books which led Image to reshape their line to be nothing but TV/Film pitches

>>87427171
Nice meme

>>87424213

>Paper Girls, Monstress, I Hate Fairyland, Bitch Planet, Tokyo Ghost, Descender, The Wicked + The Divine, East of West, etc

These books sell but they're all from known names. I think what that anon was going for was that if you're literal who, nobody is going to buy your fucking book 99% of time. At least at Vertigo or Dark Horse,etc they will pay you, assign you an editor and market your fucking book.

Image does NONE of that, they just print it. Many creators benefit from having editors, some Image books even have editors on them(Moonshine,Black Magik,Bitch Planet) but those writers/artists have to go out and get them, Image doesn't provide them. Image is great if you're brand name creator who was semi-successful and has an established fanbase.

An anon from a previous Image thread said Image was glorified self publishing and he's right. They put out good books tho.

>>87427703
>glorified self-publishing
That's the good thing.

You shouldn't be a literally who and expect to do well at Image. It's an """exclusive""" club and you get in by having the chops to produce a book people buy.

>>87424097
Tokyo Ghost was fucking awful after the first few preachy issues.

>>87421705
I've only read the Prophet series.

What are some other good Image sci-fi books?

Earth War is kind of shitty desu.

>>87428024
Remender is awful in general.

>>87427703
>Dark Horse,etc they will pay you, assign you an editor and market your fucking book
kek, right

vertigo is just shit at finding tallent these days and I don't know why. but maybe with doom patrol we can see something good again.

>>87428043
faster than light

>>87428063
>I don't know why
very few good writers left in the industry.

>>87427703
>market your fucking book.
Dark Horse is shit a marketing anything that isn't related to Mingola or a licensed property like Firefly.

>>87421705
They're doing fine by me, pal.

>>87428043
Invincible
Luther strode
Orc stain
Bedlam
Chew
Danger club

>>87428043
>>87428298
>scifi
my bad

>>87428216
Same. I don't care if the creators take long breaks after an arc as long as the quality stay up. It also helps keep my pull list low since the titles sometimes go on rotation with each other

I'd rather only get 4-6 issues a year than some hack fill in artists

>>87428298
>invincible
>good
pull the other one

>>87428062
>>87428024
>t. Spencer

>>87427703
>At least at Vertigo or Dark Horse,etc they will pay you, assign you an editor and market your fucking book.
Since when

>>87428063
>>87428176
>>87428837

do guys have any rebuttals that aren't "lol" and "yeah right"? i'm a bit of industry expert and you may not like their marketing strategies or business views or pay rates but they definitely do them.

>>87423079
There doesn't need to be a big three. If you want to put Image up there then fine, but if you don't then it's just a big two of Marvel and DC

It's like those idiots who were talking about what the new 'big three' of shonen was after everyone stopped reading Bleach.

>>87429083
Image is much better at marketing unknowns than Dark Horse is now. If Dark Horse was any good at marketing then they would have had a successful new series in the past 10 years.

>>87429312

The Black Hammer will be big, just wait and see.

>>87429624
...when the Black Hammer is mass printed!

>>87429083
vertigo and dark horse barely market shit

especially vertigo since the last batch was a failure

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>>87424337
>>87428090
>this art

Christ, the story better be worth it.

>>87432270
Too much Poser/Sketchup wankery. You can tell because the artist goes out of his way to add a layer of false rendering to cover it up, hence the fucked up disgusting mish-mash of line and paint (especially on the faces)

Will not read

>>87421705
macfarlane had a kid

image is fine right now, black monday murders is my fav book at the moment

Are they publishing furry porn now?

>>87433245
No.

>>87422109
>Morrison pulled the same shit with Heavy Metal
What?

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>>87433354

>>87429312
>If Dark Horse was any good at marketing then they would have had a successful new series in the past 10 years
They should be promoting the shit out of Harrow County, it's easily one of the best ongoing comics right now out of anywhere. I think it's getting a tv show so maybe that will help

>>87427197
for you

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>>87428062

asshurt indiefags are the biggest lolcows on /co/ ahahahaha

>>87425059
>just stuck with Dr. Pepper
GOOD!

>>87433632
Surprised it's by Bunn, of all people.

>>87434140
He's maybe the most wildly inconsistent writer I follow, but where he hits, he knocks it out of the park.

>>87425200

>Dem Walking Dead sales

Fucking hell. How much is Kirkman worth? Why not just run Invincible at at a loss ?

>>87436546
>How much is Kirkman worth?
Googling his net worth says $20 million

>>87421705
Too many high-concept TV pitches masquerading as comics.

Huge delays between issues.

>>87433573
Heavy Metal always had those bizarre covers.

>>87423272

They had Millar once.

And there's the hilariously bad misogynerd arc of Crossed.

>>87423079
I'd vote for Valiant if a good hunk of their published works weren't totally crap

Seriously, who was the genius who put Vendetti on Eternal Warrior?

>>87439470
>the Valiant Hater again

>>87421705
Comics (at least in the west) writing is by usually every pitch based, i.e. they have a basically idea for a plot but no basic outline, so longer running series always end up going to shit after a while.