The Flush and his Rugs

>>87405917
You sound like a bottom, OP

His powers are a form of mind control, caused by his costume and mental telepathy invoking people's innate homosexuality.

Vertigo? That's gay manifesting itself.

Mental suggestions? Gay again.

Death and posession? Even death can't stop the Gay.

>>87405917
Originally he was just spin super fast. Then, due to being a Silver Age character (meaning it was a time when anything goes), he became a ghost, worked out Barry's identity and possessed his father.

This was then retconned by Johns who stated that when the Top spins, he expands his brain matter (seriously) making him intelligent. More spinning = more get smart. So we are supposed to believe that Top became way too much for Barry to handle, what with his spinning being a counter to speed, knowing his full identity, being evil and his intellect being so high.

Barry got the Justice League to mind wipe the Top into being a good guy (and the Top, thinking he was good, mind wiped a bunch of Rogues into also being good guys). This all came to light in Identity Crisis and led to Rogue War.

>>87406707
Well, the 'spinning makes him more intelligent' was actually stated in his first appearance. So that's a Silver Age thing which Johns kept.

As for how he knew Barry's full identity, that was from his time as a disembodied ghost. He was spying on him the whole time (what else is a ghost gonna do, I guess).

>>87405917
OP, the reason he developed psi powers is because of that spinning. As mentioned above, his intelligence increased due to spinning. But it also gave him telekinesis eventually, and then he died as a result of all those effects on his brain (it basically fried).

So the guy died, but his ghost can possess corpses and that's exactly what he does. And over time, his still-changing brain also developed the vertigo powers and his mind-control powers.

Basically, all his powers ultimately stem from his spinning. Except possibly the ghost-possessing-bodies thing, and Johns actually retconned that into one of his psi powers as well.

He is my favourite comics character.

the TV top was way less nonsensical

>>87405917
>So how in God's name do his powers work and how did they happen?
Spinforce

>>87407445
>Well, the 'spinning makes him more intelligent' was actually stated in his first appearance. So that's a Silver Age thing which Johns kept.
Yeah, I misremembered.

>>87407486
Well the idea is that as the seasons go on she will spin, get more intelligent and grow as a threat.

>>87407779
but she doesnt actually spin; her power is more of a psychic ability in the TV show

>>87407796
She has the vertigo powers in the show, the spinning will come, she was spinning when hit by the particle wave.

>>87407534
holy shit dude my sides

>>87407486
Yeah, except it doesn't really make sense to call her 'the Top' if she doesn't spin.

>>87407779
I hope her powers will increase, because she's pretty weak as is. Just one power that was easily shaken off.

>>87407913
>I hope her powers will increase, because she's pretty weak as is. Just one power that was easily shaken off.
Look at the actors for the Rogues, they are almost all notable and clearly the show has plans for them.

They won't have got that female actor for a one off, she will be back.

>>87407953
I know she'll be back because the showrunners said it was a recurring role. I'm just hoping they do more to make her a threat.

>>87408004
I think she will become a season size villain just like in Rogue War.

They've already setup MM/Top vs Cold. We also know Trikster and Weather Wizard have teamed up. So we could have 2-3 factions.

Do his powers reverse in Australia?

>>87408064
Honestly, that's what I'm most hoping for. We'll see, I guess. I wasn't hugely thrilled with her, but she was okay and I did see potential. Just keeping my fingers crossed.

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>>87407913
>Yeah, except it doesn't really make sense to call her 'the Top' if she doesn't spin.
I'm pretty sure the angle they were going with is that her powers make your head spin.

>>87405917
The stereotype for Hypnosis is to look at a spinning spiral, yo.

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Gonna storytime a key Top issue or two.

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>>87408704
First time he's shown spinning.

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>>87408792
He was always a bit of a weird kid.

>>87405917
I was just about to make a Power Creep thread using this guy as the OP image

are you a wizard, OP?

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>>87408825
And here's where he mentions that his spinning made him more intelligent.

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>>87408856
I fucking love the atomic grenade

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>>87408952
Here's where the comic goes full Looney Tunes.

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>>87409017
Wouldn't be a Rogue funeral without shitty puns.

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>>87409090
Here's where we find he's gotten his first new power, telekinesis. Though the issue calls it "mind over matter".

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>>87409172
Not on top of the world for long

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>>87409258
The Rogues spend the rest of the next issue trying to stop the top bombs.

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>>87409314
By this story, the Top had possessed a new body and recently escaped from Iron Heights.

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>>87409401
Well he's not wrong.

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>>87409459
Here comes crazy!

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>>87408563
ty anon

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>>87409512
And this is his first use of the vertigo powers that you saw in last week's Flash episode.

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>>87409525
No problem! I'm more fond of him than I should be.

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>>87409602
Here's where he explains about his changing/evolving powers.

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>>87409741
Ow.

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>>87409763
Everybody's favourite page of the Rogues.

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>>87409890
In this issue Johns retells his origin and history, changing some stuff, keeping some stuff, and adding new details.

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>>87409949
I didn't post the story of Henry Allen's possession because it's six issues, but this recaps it while changing a few details.

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>>87409982
All this stuff was added by Johns, as was the entire bit was Zatanna and Identity Crisis.

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>>87410000
*with Zatanna

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>>87410080
I'm sure this will end well

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>>87410042
The only two beings in the entire goddamned universe he should worry about in any capacity what so ever is thawne and zolomon.

Him fagging on about captain cold while having his fucking power set is the most embarassing shit I've ever heard in my fucking life.

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>>87410152
That was before Zolomon, even. I think he was more concerned about his loved ones than a threat to himself, however.

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>>87410317
Last issue of the storytime!

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>>87410355
Remember Wiggins Toys? That's the company Captain Boomerang worked for.

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>>87410380
Here we see that he's got a limited degree of shapeshifting, presumably an extension of his telekinesis.

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>>87410427
You've made so many mistakes, Wally.

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>>87410460
Vertigo power again.

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>>87410489
Telekinesis again.

Man this whole top arc. It's so loopy the fucking lengths Johns goes to basically revert Wally West's life to being identical to Barry's. He takes away all the development of The Rogues and makes them hate Wally, he makes Wally work for the police after magically giving him his identity back, he turns Bart into Kid Flash and takes away all of the interesting stuff about Bart etc etc.

No wonder Wally's run flopped so bad after Johns left. He basically set Wally up for all the boring shit people didn't like about Barry that led to him getting killed off.

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>>87410514

He made Wally do a One More Day. Johns' run is solid but /co/ overrates it and overlooks some problems. I really hope by the end of Rebirth he's got it all sorted out

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>>87410514
I agree with a lot of this, but I don't think he had the Rogues hate Wally. They respected him and had an adversarial relationship with him, but I don't think there was hate at all. Aside from the more anti-social Rogues who kind of hate everyone.

>>87409849
Identity Crisis killed Flash. They really tried to turn Flash into grimdark shit and everything went awry after that

> Wally & Rogues have great relatipnship!
> It's because Barry mindfucked them together with Top

Johnsfags will defend this.

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>>87410578
And here's the introduction of his mind control powers. Keep in mind that before this scene we had absolutely no idea that the Top could do this, let alone that he could do it in the past. Suddenly he just could. I like Johns' run a lot, but I think this was a weak aspect.

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>>87410723
Axel's the last person who can criticize someone else's clothes.

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>>87410578
He specifically had Cold lecture Wally about how much The Rogues hate Wally because he doesn't show them the mutual respect Barry had for them. Even in Cold's super special issue (#182 iirc) he has Cold bitch and moan about how he doesn't like West because he's a punk sidekick and a jerk.

So what you're saying is the exact opposite of what Johns did. He made sure the Rogues hated Wally the most of anyone ever. Which flies in the face of basically everything before.

DC Bendis, really.

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>>87410865
And that's the last page! Hope you guys enjoyed this!

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>>87410873
I don't agree, sorry. Before Johns, Waid and Augustyn had the Rogues talk about how they've never liked Wally (Flash annual 5). And when Barry came back, Johns' Rogues griped about how Barry never gave them a break, with the unspoken inference that Wally did; I'll post that scan in a moment.

Basically the Rogues are pissy dicks who are quite frequently hypocritical about their feelings for any given Flash. I think they've got very mixed feelings about the Flashes and it comes out as sometimes contradictory opinions.

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>>87411070
Here they are whining about Barry, as opposed to Jay and Wally.

story bump

>>87411070
>>87411095

There's a big difference between not taking a shine to him/not liking him and specifically comparing him to Barry and saying how he's worse.

"Not giving a break" pales in comparison to how much shit he had The rogues heap on Wally.

He just wanted Wally to be like Barry was in the old days. The Rogues hated Barry back then and he wanted The Rogues to forget all the mitigating things between Wally and them so he could have them hate each others; guts.

I mean fuck one of Wally's best friends is a Rogue. He had a nice little party with them when Cold got pardoned. He earnestly tried to help them go straight. Wally was always more lax about the less psychopathic villains but Johns made it out like Wally was a jerk shit to them all the time when they barely interacted before Johns, and when they did it was about as much good as bad.

>>87411853
The Rogues didn't hate Barry back then. The truth of the matter is that the Rogues have always been written inconsistently, and sometimes throughout their history they've been genuinely bloodthirsty and sometimes they've been guys who see it as a game. So unfortunately nobody can really say "they hated Barry" or "they hated Wally". They've really varied.

And Piper was not a Rogue by the time he became Wally's friend, so it's inaccurate to imply he was one. Yes, Wally was friends with an ex-Rogue, and Barry was friends with Heat Wave when he was an ex-Rogue. Both Wally and Barry have had moments when they were extraordinarily sympathetic to their enemies/former enemies, and other moments when they were surprisingly cruel.

You can certainly dislike the general tone Johns' Rogues took to Wally. I just think it's simplistic to the point of being wrong to say that in one era the Rogues really liked Wally and in another era they hated him. They've never really been consistent.

>>87408304
they called her Top when they found out she makes people feel vertigo

>>87412072
The Rogues' characterization shift towards Wally was mostly just one piece in the major puzzle of Johns turning Wally into Barry, which killed Wally's run.

which they then tried to fix by...bringing back Barry

DC comics folks.