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What is he, /swco/?

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>>87377738
delet

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>>87377738
Get that frightening thing away from me.

So, yeah, same question as before.
>>87376842

If I had to choose anything to be canon it would be Star Wars: Bounty Hunter.

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Luke's a dirty hobo.

>>87377805
Completely boring.

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Rebels is beautiful.

>>87377846
why is his nose zoidberg?

>>87377884
He likes to be included.

>>87377846
http://makingstarwars.net/2016/10/an-accurate-depiction-of-luke-skywalkers-look-in-star-wars-episode-viii/

Luke will be a terrible teacher and he'll have gotten darker at this point.

In the end, it is Rey who will teach him.

>>87377944
>In the end, it is Rey who will teach him.
pls no

>>87377956
Oh it's true. Leaks say he'll be darker and he'll want Rey to kill Kylo while Rey doesn't want to. Rey will teach him to remember his old ideals again.

She shall be the true teacher. Better brace yourself for it now.

>>87376295
Pottery. Otherwise every single Jedi master training a padawan is a Yoda remake.

>>87377884
Why not Zoidberg?

>>87378004
That wouldn't make her a teacher though. That would just her reminding Luke of what he used to be. It's been done before.

>>87377836
Rogue Squadron for me.

>>87378129
She will teach him the most important lesson of all: to believe in himself and in hope again. He will acknowledge her as the true teacher of the two of them.

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>>87377836
>If I had to choose anything to be canon it would be Star Wars: Bounty Hunter.

If you ignore Open Seasons and remove dialogue referring to Mandalorians, Bounty Hunter really doesn't work against canon strangely enough. If they ever decide to retell how Jango became the template for the GAR, I'd hope they take some bits from Bounty Hunter.

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>>87378276
That's cute, anon. Too cute

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I don't get why people pretend the prequels are bad.

>>87378491
Pls no

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>>87378491
anon... stop...

>>87378491
>pretend
People are entitled to their opinions, even if you disagree.

And no, I don't hate the prequels. Well, except AoTC.

See any trick-or-treaters in Star Wars costumes tonight?

I saw one Darth Vader and that's it.

>>87378642
West coast loser here.

It's still early, so we haven't seen anyone.

>>87378642
I haven't had a trick-or-treater show up at my house in six years.

Joke's on them, I give out full size candy bars.

>>87377944
Nice, people who thought luke is yoda 2.0 btfo

>>87378004
My favorite thing about luke is that he isnt perfect or a colossal fuck up like his father

Then again my favorite thing about rey is shes perfect

>>87378578
>except AoTC.
Do yourself a favor and rethink that.
AOTC is great.

>>87378642
I live in the Californian Boonies, and don't expect to see anyone.
The people out here either live in their custom mansions, or bum shacks. I'm in a bum shack right now, wifi keeps going out every hour or so.

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>>87378862
>Then again my favorite thing about rey is shes perfect

>>87378642

I've been stuck in the countryside for a long time and I don't live in an actual neighborhood so I haven't been able to actually celebrate Halloween for a little over a decade.

Which really fucking sucks for me because Halloween is the only holiday that's worth caring about.

>>87378896
No, it's shit.

Does Ventress have a thing for Kenobi?

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>>87378973
What makes you say that?

>>87378806
The path to your place is a death trap, isn't it?

>>87378925
Dont you see the True Ring Theory arc?

Complete a shit > way better -> perfect a cute

>>87378973
Most likely. The fact that Obi-Wan has fucked just about everything with a vagina and two working legs doesn't hurt either.

>>87379054
Not even. It's in a really nice neighborhood with good schools, but it's next to a really busy intersection and obscured by trees and stuff, so kids don't think to drop by.

>>87378961
I'm sorry you're in denial.
Prequel haters baffle me.

>>87379172
Old habits die hard, I suppose.

Soon we'll come to hate the OT for being inferior to the ST

>>87379172
>I literally cannot fathom somebody having a different opinon
This has been the problem with these threads lately.

>>87379229
More like every thread.

That, and the sudden obsession/paranoia over people posting from their phones

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I find your lack of waifuposting disturbing.

>>87379277
>obsession/paranoia over people posting from their phones
It's one guy, and his (your?) posts are 90% shitpoats.
Like last thread he posted "I'll be happy when the anthology trilogy has the labels episode I II and III."
So I tell him (you?) to fuck off.

>>87379374
Your powers are weak, old man.

Your overconfidence is your weakness

>>87379458
>Your faith in your franchise yours!

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>>87379458
Darth Ridge will become more powerful than both of us anon.

>>87379523
But not even he can stop the Rey.

As long as she exists, the Darths will always be second best

>>87379445
Nah, not me. The worst I've done is admit to not seeing TCW.

Wonder if yours is the same phoneposter wreaking havok on other threads as well. I seem to find this sort of thing happening on multiple boards all at once

>>87379613
You doubt their power? They lie in wait, and kill her off in an animated show when the trilogy ends.

>>87379671
Probably.
As a reformed ex-phoneposter, I know that the call of the shitpost-and-reset-ip can be hard to resist.

I know everyone wonders how Kylo Ren can be so bad at dueling. I THINK kylo Ren has never been in a lightsaber fight before TFA.

If he led the Knights of Ren against the other Jedi, they must have fought with normal weapons because none of them have lightsaber, just Kylo. Which means most likely the Jedi didn't have lightsaber either.

Also his lightsaber isn't made right, which means that he has probably never seen one before, but he knew that Vader had one so he wanted one too.

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>>87379859
>a PRODUCER said it so it must be true
wew my lad

>>87379807
Wasn't there some leak that said there were a bunch of lightsaber props and they called for late adolescent actors? That seems like they were armed.

Also no way he didn't see Luke's saber. He was his padawan for over a decade most likely. We also don't know if Kylo is bad at dueling considering he was heavily injured when he saw him battle.

>>87379807
Kylo was trained in saber combat by Luke before TFA. That probably means the other Jedi had sabers as well.

The fact of the matter is Kylo is the most well-trained combatant in the movie, and he still loses. It's hilariously stupid.

>>87379807
He didn't lead the knights against the jedi

>>87379985
Then who were those other six guys in the flashback? And who were they killing?

>>87379965
Keep in mind that he did get shot in the gut with a bowcaster.

>>87380072
Yes, and that should have, in the short term, made him stronger. The dark side feeds on pain.

>>87379942
>Also no way he didn't see Luke's saber. He was his padawan for over a decade most likely.

Not the other anon, but seeing a Lightsaber =/= knowing how to build a Lightsaber.

I've been around guns most of my life, but I don't know dick about making one.

>>87380214
I wasn't arguing that. Just that the idea that Kylo had never seen a saber is stupid.

>>87379807
Didn't they all just fight nornally because they wanted duels to be more like the OT instead of the glowstick dances from the PT?

>>87380113
I don't believe that bullshit. Otherwise Vader should have Force choked Luke the second he cut off his arm. Same can be said for Dooku.

>>87379807
It's bad writing and fighting choreography. They're morons. It's my impression that Ren is going to be their main Sith threat for the trilogy yet they make him job to Rey in the first movie cause lol the force. The fact that Rey focuses on "The force" for literally five seconds then destroys Ren was some of the most retarded shit I've ever seen. Then they're just going to completely wave it away because "Completing his training" is going to be some Goku and The Hyperbolic Time Chamber tier power level boost bull crap.

His Lightsaber is weird cause it's modeled after scrabbled together ideas of a Sith Lightsaber, specifically Darth Vaders.

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I'm the one in the middle

>>87380438
Playing Devil's advocate...

>Otherwise Vader should have Force choked Luke the second he cut off his arm.
A that point, Vader didn't want to hurt Luke anymore.
>Same can be said for Dooku.
Dooku was in shock from the whole situation.
Losing both arms to someone he thought he would easily beat + being betrayed.

>>87380508
GOAT episodes.
TCW needed more of this and the Yoda arc.
Rebels is scratching that itch so far with the Bendu and Malachor and stuff.

>>87380508
Jedi are Bentu wannabes who didn't actually want to be ignored but still wanted to brag about having balance and inner peace. What a bunch of freaking posers.

>>87380309

I meant what this anon>>87380214 said

>>87380438
>I don't believe that bullshit.

Such is your choice. But it's been established in canon that pains strengthens one's connection to the Dark Side.

>Otherwise Vader should have Force choked Luke the second he cut off his arm.

Why? It was never Vader's intent to kill Luke though.

>Same can be said for Dooku.

True. But that very well would've meant all the faster Anakin would kill him.

>>87380458
The one thing I'll say in defense of Kylo's lightsaber is at least they explained the design in a way that makes sense and doubles as a metaphor for his character. They put some thought into it beyond "this looks cool".

>>87380113
I think there is a line between getting beat on or zapped and having that pain assist your anger and drive and getting a bunch of your internal organs pulped by a blaster shot and having to deal with it.

>>87380601
We both know that they came up with the design first and explained it later.

>>87380579
Well he did manage to build a functional lightsaber despite having a cracked crystal, which is the real reason it works weird. It's rough looking but clearly he wasn't entirely inept at it. It's not as if the lightsaber ever failed, Kylo just was overpowered.

>>87380632
>a bunch of your internal organs pulped
Not in the movie.

>>87380634
No shit but at least some thought was put into it. The could have easily not bothered.

>>87380669
Sorry, I get defensive about the prequels.
I thought you were memeing about Maul's saber.

>>87380660
I don't know the extent of the injury. He's whacking on it like some testosterone fueled teenager trying to cure appendicitis so it wasn't that bad but the point is that there is a distinction between the kind of pain a Sith can use to increase his power and an injury that is just fucking with your fighting and is a handicap. The way the movie shows it its clearly the latter.

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>>87380458
>It's bad writing and fighting choreography
Sorry they had no intention of making lightsaber fights as ridiculously stupid as that shit from ROTS.
>>87380529
>Dooku was in shock from the whole situation.
Then don't you think Ren was in shock of his situation? Rey suddenly strikes at him faster than before and she's able to land a hit on him. Not to mention how Ren is already shown to be insecure throughout the film.

>>87380704
Wasn't even thinking about the prequels, actually. Maul's saber probably was just there to look cool. Which I don't actually have a problem with, I just prefer when it can tell something about the character, if only as an afterthought of design.

>>87380752
Even if he had a handicap, he still was the superior fighter. There's no reason for him to lose the way he did.

>>87380796
Just because another movie's fighting is shit doesn't make TFA's less shit. Really I don't have the problem with the content and movement of the duel, that's descent enough. The problem I have with is the flow of it. It goes from one sided wailing on Rey to one sided wailing on Ren. If you're going with an underdog vs veteran set up make it like that the whole way through.

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>>87380796
That shot is awesome though.
It's two people who know each other's styles looking for an opening.

I'd call that scene extremely well done.

NO ONE has ever been able to explain why that is less than great.

>>87380840
I'm not saying he wasn't superior just that his handicap was debilitating enough to cause a loss. It clearly wasn't beneficial like someone said earlier.

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>>87380802
>Maul's saber probably was just there to look cool.

It probably was.

>I just prefer when it can tell something about the character, if only as an afterthought of design.

I don't know how it reflects on the character, but when they gave the first props of Maul's lightsaber to Ray Park, he actually told them it wouldn't work. The original was basically a regular sized saber hilt (I think. definitely much shorter than the final product), but with two blades on each end. He had them go back and extend it because he'd never be able to do the shit he needed to if they hadn't.

>>87380951
>his handicap was debilitating enough to cause a loss
And I disagree with that, or rather I dislike the reasons why Kylo lost the way he did.

>>87380840
I think he had plenty of handicap. This is just something people will never agree on, apparently. There's no convincing people who think heavy injury and mental and emotional issues aren't enough of a handicap to justify him losing.

>>87381033
Say what you will about Maul, but Ray Park is the real deal.

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>>87381067
He lost because his opponent closed her eyes for 20 seconds and got a physical powerup, even though he has years of training to call upon the same force, even if wounded.

I'm fine with Kylo being diminished in the fight, but he lost because the plot worked against him in that one moment alone in the most contrived way possible.

Rebels have the same creative team with Clone Wars right?

I was really bitter about Rebels replacing it but Ive started watching it 2 days ago and Im really liking it so far(season 2 episode 6).

What are the chances of Rebels reaching season 5 or higher?

>>87380863
She wasn't really an underdog and he wasn't really a veteran though. Ren has been shown to know how to fight with melee weapons and Ren has never been seen as proficient in saber duels. He overpowered Finn earlier but he still landed a hit on him. Bot only that but the whole "sudden victory" thing has been done before. Like how when Luke gave into his anger an all of sudden overpowered the all powerful Vader or when Obi-Wan is able to slowly jump over Maul and cut him in half with no struggle. It's been done before. And I wouldn't call TFA's duel "decent". I thought it was one of the best because it felt like a real swordfight that felt believable. It had weight to it.

>>87381200
It's going to go for 7 seasons.

>>87381164
It was a combo of those things. My point was more that Rey didn't fight an impossible battle like some people act like she did.

>>87381201
>It had weight to it.
The sabers don't have weight though.
Only the hilt.

>>87381216

Really? Is it confirmed?

>>87381246
OT duels had weight to them.

>>87377805
For the most part it seems to mean that one can dabble in dark side powers but still remain in the light. Like me in KOTOR maxing out force lightning but being a Jedi.

It also can mean forming attachments and indulging in emotions but never being overwhelmed by them

>>87381265
Not confirmed for 7 seasons, but Filoni has said he would like it to go for 7 or so seasons.
Plus Disney bought the show as a whole instead of season by season so it probably won't be cancelled like TCW.

>>87378335
Like it is really doesn't intrude on anything the new canon as developed.

>>87381272
Point being?
The blades don't have weight in universe.

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It's Halloween, so it's time for a marathon. Only the most cultured of Holovids will be shown. It's getting dark, so pack in and get spooked!

>>87379445
Nice misquote phoneposterposter

>>87381272
Completely subjective.

>>87381201
How is the girl with zero light saber training and barely any knowledge of the force not the Underdog when put up with a high ranking Sith Acolyte that is shown to be highly proficient with the force?

Luke wasn't an underdog in ROTJ he was a very powerful Jedi Knight and that fight was him on the fence of falling to the Light or the Dark. Luke in ESB is an underdog and he gets destroyed by Vader.

Obi Wan was an underdog and his victory againts Maul and that shit is just as retarded

>>87381164
I remember when Harrison Ford tweeted before TFA came out that his favorite scene in the movie was Rey and Kylo Ren's swordfight and the whole Internet was pissed at him saying "HOLY SHIT SPOILERS"

As if "the main character has a lightsaber battle with the main villain in a Star Wars movie" was an actual spoiler.

>>87380071
Zuvio?

>>87381453
Wow Harrison Ford has shit tastes.

>>87381449
>Sith
Now you did it.
The guy you're arguing with will sidestep your point and just whine about Kylo not being a sith.

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>>87381519
Kek, that was my first thought.

>>87381521
He's not a true Sith. He's an aspirant. That's why I called him an Acolyte.

>>87381519
What was your favorite scene in TFA then?

>>87381394


Apart from Mandalorians and Jango's origins.

>>87381449
Rey has way more midi chlorians and is used to cqc combat, luke wasnt (in esb)

And of course kylo is not anywhere near vader tier

>>87381572
Not him. But anything with Poe Dameron.

>>87381521
>>87381570
He's not though. He's not Sith a period.

>>87381572
The helicopter shot that ended the movie. :^)

The best thing about the tfa sabers is the props actually illuminated the environment instead of being purely rotoscoped sticks

>>87381572
Action wise I liked X wings arriving on Takodanna, the battle beforehand was descent enough too.

Emotion wise Kylo Ren' and Han's scene was pretty good and Poe and Finn's reunion was a grade A friendship moment. A bit over the top but I like sappy stuff like that.

>>87381649
>What is Anakin v Dooku in AOTC

dumb newfag

>>87381649
The sabers in TFA are CGI 3D elements, with artificial lighting added in places. The physical props are there mostly as a guide.

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>>87381572
>What was your favorite scene in TFA then?

This one here.

>>87381587
By what logic is a girl scavenger stuck on Tatooine a cqc expert? If anything she should be as much of a coward as Finn is. At no point is Rey stated to have excessive midichlorians and Ren is a fucking Skywalker.

The point is that Kylo has plenty of Lightsaber/Force experience that Rey has none of.

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>>87381618
>The helicopter shot that ended the movie. :^)

You got me to post.

3/10.

>>87381278
That second explanation makes more sense. It was kinda confusing me, since it seemed to me like saying, "The murderer and not-murderer. I'm the one in the middle. The torturer."

>>87381587
>Rey has way more midi chlorians
Midichlorians don't equal skill or power levels, except if you're Anakin. Plus, Luke is the son of the chosen one.

The Force still required training to take full advantage of. Kylo is actually trained in combat, Rey is a scavenger who had small fights. In no way does that make her a cqc expert.

>>87381594

There's no effective difference between a Sith Lord and a Knight of Ren. They're just both dark side dudes. The old unique stuff about the sith no longer applies and there's nothing distinctive about the Knights of Ren.

>>87381759
>Ren is a fucking Skywalker

So is Rey :^)

>>87381906
It's gonna happen and knowing it will fucking infuriates me.

>>87381895
>There's no effective difference between a Sith Lord and a Knight of Ren. They're just both dark side dudes
That we currently know of. You can be a dark side user without being a Sith.

>>87381895
>The old unique stuff about the sith no longer applies and there's nothing distinctive about the Knights of Ren.
That still doesn't make them Sith. The Sith are dead.

>>87381572
When the X-wings go in to dive bomb the oscillaror.

>>87381964
Unless someone goes to talk to them in the tombs of Morriban. Korriban? Whatever. Sith Homeworld 1.

>>87381815
For the most part I tend to think of it as how the two sides deal with emotion.

The Jedi reject it while the Sith drown in it.

>>87381979
You mean when the rebels dive into the Death Star trench?

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I love how Lucasfilms snuck in some prequel references behind JJ's back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FATqyG8cGSE

>>87381992
Even JJ admitted that there are no Sith in TFA.

We already had the son of Solo going evil.

Why does TFA have 0 original ideas?

And yeah LOTF wasn't anything amazing, but it was way better than TFA.

>>87382024
HEY-O

nice catch.

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Jacen looks like Kylo.

>>87381992
The Sith are an organization, to be a part of it you have to be an apprentice to someone that's alive. Otherwise, you'll be crowning yourself Sith.

The Sith don't live after death. The Spectres on Morriband/Korriban aren't Force Ghost with consciousness, they are apparitions.

>>87381759
You see her fight off thugs with her stick. "There has been an awakening." JJ isn't going to directly refer to midi chlorians

To play armchair jedi scientist, kylo would have 1/4 anakins midichlorians, being his grandson

Moraband

>>87382102
They can still teach you the ways and creeds of the Sith though. Ergo one could become the apprentice to a Sith Lord even if it isn't actually the Sith Lord.

>>87381246
There's a difference between a fight having weight (as in the characters actually act like real people actually exerting force who are in real danger, rather than weightless marionettes who glide around on wires going through tight choreography) and an object in a fight having weight.

Yes, the sabers are extremely light weapons, but the characters were still running around in the snow, up and down hills, wearing themselves out whacking away at each other. The fight felt like it had consequence, you didn't believe they could just keep going forever doing flips and twirling their laser sticks around like ravers.

>>87382132
mirrormask

>>87382147
>rather than weightless marionettes who glide around on wires going through tight choreography
This is what a fight through the force would be like though.
Anticipating moves in advance. It would look like a dance.

>>87381880
Anakin btfo the trade fereation as a child, whom collectively have way more experience/programming

>>87382096
I don't get why people say Kylo Ren doesn't look anything like the hypothetical son of Han Solo and Leia.

>>87382182
He looks like an atrophied borderhopper, but he also sort of looks like Han.

Basically, he got the short stick from both his parents Genes.

>>87381895
>There's no effective difference between a Sith Lord and a Knight of Ren.

Other than the prerequisite of having to be sensitive to the force. And actual sets of traditions and skills, all of which are now lost forever.
>>87381992
>Unless someone goes to talk to them in the tombs of Morriban.

Nope. That would imply that a Sith Lord can continue to exist beyond death. Which they can't. Once they die, they are channeled into the Cosmic Force and are spiritually mulched and reintroduced through the Midichlorians into the Living Force just like everyone else is.

>>87382182
Adam Driver is almost a dead ringer for a young pre-career harrison ford.

>>87382144
>They can still teach you the ways and creeds of the Sith though.

No, they can't. They're dead. There is absolutely nothing left of their consciousness after death.

>>87382229
>That would imply that a Sith Lord can continue to exist beyond death. Which they can't.

>Darth Bane

>>87382174
Tell that to the original trilogy, fuckface.

>>87382128
No one is saying Rey hasn't been in a fight, but she has not been in a lightsaber fight, which is an entirely different level then beating up desert hoodlums with a staff.

>>87382177
I did say "Except if you're Anakin". And even so, the Force provides clairvoyance and opportunities which can be improved when trained. Kylo had a decade of that training over his opponent.

>>87382259
Darth Bane wasn't alive, watch the episode again. Even Yoda says he's dead.

>>87382259
That was a projection of the Priestesses

>>87382229
And the knights of ren dont have lightsabers, kylo has one from being ex jedi

>>87382128
Scaring away thugs with sticks does not a CQC expert make.

Oh sorry he's only, at worst, 1/4th as powerful as the most powerful Jedi to ever live.

>>87382267
???
They couldn't show it due to tech limitations.
ROTJ got closer, with Luke jumping a bit.

JJ pisses on technology advancements, which is antithetical to the idea of SW.
Lucas pushed the tech to it's limits in every film.

>>87382229
>And actual sets of traditions and skills, all of which are now lost forever.

None of which have been elaborated upon.

>>87382259

An illusion created by the Force Priestesses, just like the Grand Inquisitor in the Lothal Temple was an illusion created by Yoda.

>>87382229
Did you just forget all those Sith hateghosts that have existed since forever in the various SW canons?

>>87382305
>powerlevels in star wars

stop with this meme

How would you react to Episode VII if it turns out Luke is the villain?

>>87382319
Sith cannot exist beyond death
It's not a thing

>>87382326
They already ruined him so IDGAF.

>>87382316
>None of which have been elaborated upon.

Wrong. The Clone Wars and Dark Desciple delves into such things and Lords of The Sith goes even further.

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>>87382305

Honestly, Rey shouldn't have been able to solo that fight. She just flat out was outnumbered, flanked, caught by surprise, and restrained. At that stage in the story Luke got knocked over by a Tuscan with a stick.

>>87382315
Dude, you are literally trying to argue that the garbage fights from the prequels are better than the original trilogy now, using the same excuses that Lucas uses/used.

Reconsider your life choices.

>>87382319
We're not talking the various SW canons, we're talking this one unified canon. The Sith cannot live beyond death.

>>87382285
As we see with finn, cqc experience isnt entirely weapon dependant (like it may have been in eu.) Rey is the new anakin

Its pure poetry, anakin 2 beats darth vader fanboy with anakins own saber

Rey has way more force attunement and kylo had many things handicapping him in the fight

>>87382361
>Lords of The Sith goes even further

The only thing actually unique to the sith there is that they have a language.

Literally everything the Sith ever do in nuCanon is done by other force users at other points.

>>87382334
Well they literally have, so...

>>87382319
Pretty sure we're just talking about the current canon, not whether or not the concept existed before in EU stuff.

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>>87382319

No, I just don't have to care about them anymore because that shit can't happen. Only Force Jesus or someone who was trained to maintain their consciousness within the Living Force can continue to exist beyond death.

>>87382396
Well, they literally haven't. Pay attention.

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>more bullshit PT vs OT vs ST
Goddamn, this is boring as fuck.

Post best Infantry. Shame we'll never get a game playing as Stormtroopers or Rebel forces.

>>87382374
It happened in TCW

And if we're only considering the current canon, please tell me where in the official current canon that has been explicitly stated.

>>87381906
>>87381959
It won't and that will infuriate even more people. It doesn't make sense anymore.

>>87382305
*at best

Rey is at best 1:1 the most powerful jedi to ever live

>>87382335
>They already ruined him

How did you get that from his 20 wordless seconds in TFA?

>>87382323
Certain people are more attuned to the force then others and it's related to blood. That's been the case since the original trilogy.

>>87382434
because...?

>>87382423
>It happened in TCW

No, it didn't. That was not a ghost. It was an Illusion created by the force Priestesses.

>>87382367
>garbage fights
wew lad

>>87382326
He'll never be the villain. I'd believe he was darker, though. I buy the spoilers that he wants Rey to kill Kylo while Rey doesn't want to.

>>87382423
Pay attention to what everyone else in telling you.

In TCW, Darth's Bane's ghost is not really him. It's an illusion that even Yoda sees through, which is later revealed to be a trial by the priestess here >>87382363.

>>87382444
You misunderstood the entire story of Star Wars so profoundly that it's embarrassing.

>>87382434
It never made sense. Yoda, obi, and anakin would all strongly warn against it. And luke had no bae in rotj to be tempted by

>>87382413
Bane was just a vision made as a trial so your right about Sith not living after death and I guess it's unlikely would find any written record of Sith credo to start over with it again so yeah, Ren isn't a Sith. Still he wants to be like his grandfather Darth Vader, so in the broadest possible definition I'd still call him a Sith Aspirant.

>>87382021
No when the Rebels bombed the oscillator. Can you not read. They all shot simultaneously at the FO and it was cool. The camera angles, the sound effects, the cheesy heroic music, the excited reaction of the pilots. It was fun.

>>87382443
JJ character assassinated him with the whole running and pouting after getting rekt by kids thing, just so he could have his Old Ben character for his Luke copy to find.

>>87382492
>rebels
You mean the resistance.
Easy mistake to make.
It is ANH 2.0 after all.

>>87382475
>The Force is strong in my family. My father has it. I have it. My sister has it. You have that power, too

>>87382475
I don't see how that fact gets in the way of the stories moral.

>>87382491

Darth Sideous's attempt to conquer the force and cheat death is still canon. Given that The Eclipse is still his capital ship we might actually get Dark Empire: Electric Boogaloo someday.

If Bruce Willis isn't Kam Solusar, we riot.

>>87382542
*3.0
Cant wait for 4.0 this christmas

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>>87382147
So full fledged Jedi, trained in the Force and in their prime, shouldn't be able to wield lightsabers as if they know every which way around the weapon to the point of their fighting style lookin akin to a combatively effective, intricate dance of blades, and instead more like a bout between two people who barely know they're doing in addition to already being fatigued prior

>>87382512

Honestly I'm hesitant to even see 8 for just what happened to Luke.

What happened to Yoda claiming Luke was the first of the new Jedi? What happened to 6 being return of the Jedi? What happened to Luke restoring peace to the galaxy?

Nope. They all died offscreen to a guy who can't even make a proper lightsaber.

Disney better have a fucking amazing explanation or they don't get another cent out of me.

>>87382556
His attempt sure. Did he actually succeed though? I wasn't aware the Eclipse was considered Canon anymore. What says that?

>>87382581
Shit it may even be 5.0 counting tpm, or 6.0 counting hidden fortress

>>87382556
>Given that The Eclipse is still his capital ship
When did this happen?

>>87382473
Still doesn't support this theory that it's impossible for Sith to exist past death, just because it hasn't been shown to happen yet in the current canon. Unless there was some official confirmation in one of the films/shows/etc. then all we can say is that it hasn't been shown to be possible, not that it's impossible as >>87382374 is claiming.

>>87382581
>*3.0
What's 2.0?
ROTJ?
That had the second Death Star.

>>87382631
See?
>>87382315
I was right.
Lucas was getting better at the fights with each movie.

>>87382621
The Eclipse now is just a regular SSD.

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>>87382542
Well rebels and resistance mean basically the same thing. Scene was still great. We haven't gotten any neat dogfights since ESB.

>>87382614
Luke was the jedi in the title of rotj you moron

>>87382614
Gotta make Disney them deluxe mickey mouse funbucks. Satisfying endings to stories be damned. Forget the galaxy enjoying an era of peace under Jedi protectors and a restored humanitarian Republic, we need to make the same mistakes over and over for more cash.

It's the age we live in.

>>87382659
I don't remember the Eclipse being shown anywhere at all. Where did you see it?

>>87382630
Yup

>>87382628
Darth Bane was originally going to be in the Mortis arc along with Darth Revan in TCW. Filoni gave the reason why they were cut from the episode.

>I was very apprehensive of this scene...because of the implication of it: which is that these Sith Lords could separate themselves from the Force and somehow talk to the Son. That seems like a big deal.

>But eventually I got a call from George, and he said "You know I've been really thinking about this, and we should really take that scene out with the Sith Lords"

>And has disappointing as it was...it was absolutley the right thing to do - because they can't exist in that form; they can't exist in that way. But I think for fans it would be neat to know that at least that idea was considered, we went very far with it, that in the end after discussions it was really George that said "No, I thought this would be good, I wanted to do this - but it doesn't jive with my bigger explanation of the Force.

https://youtu.be/rFvj026dFxk

>>87382621

Cuck Wendig.

After Endor the Eclipse was reported as having mysteriously vanished.

>>87382660
They were forced to be really dinky with their hits cause the rods they were using as place holders were brittle as fuck, right? Am I remembering correctly?

>>87382743
>Wendig
Ah, no wonder I hadn't heard that.

>>87382627
It's the name of his Super Star Destroyer as mentioned in Aftermath: Life Debt. There's a part of the plot where all the SSDs the Empire had are counted off as either destroyed, captured by the NR, missing (The Eclipse), or taken by pirates.

>>87382675
>We haven't gotten any neat dogfights since ESB.
...

>>87382583
Yes fully trained Jedi are going to be more skillful in combat, but you're still misunderstanding the point (or just being an argumentative fuckhead, this is 4chan after all). In the prequels, nobody gets tired. Nobody looks like they're trying. You get stupid shit like Obi-Wan and Anakin saber fighting over a pit of lava for 20 on-screen minutes straight and they just keep going forever with no signs of slowing down until plot happens and Anakin comes up short. Real people (no matter how much they train) get fatigued. If they're putting any real amount of effort into the fight, any match up of similarly skilled opponents should mean that they're pushing each other to their physical limits and wearing each other down. In the prequels this doesn't happen, because George Lucas is a fucking hack and makes boring action films.

>>87382748

Yeah. It wasn't until ROTS that the sabers were actually stable enough to take a solid hit.

>>87382614
Don't be a whiny bitch like Anakin.
>What happened to Yoda claiming Luke was the first of the new Jedi?
Nothing. He still is the first of the new Jedi. How did TFA change this?
>What happened to 6 being return of the Jedi?
Nothing. How did TFA change the number of the title?
>What happened to Luke restoring peace to the galaxy?
Endless conflicts. Peace is not eternal. It will never be eternal. You think the Empire was completely wiped out after ROTJ? There are obviously many still out there in other parts of the fucking galaxy.

>>87382785
>SSD
>Taken by Pirates

Jesus Christ how terrifying

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>>87382797
Are you retarded?
Of course they get tired.
The force just fights it off.
THIS IS SHOWN IN THE MOVIES.

>Yoda fights Dooku
>slips into the force and is suddenly agile as fuck
>slips back out and is slowly walking as if tired

>>87382748
Sort of. They weren't really made for hard strikes, but it had more to do with the rotating stick they had. The original intention was to have the saber as this rotating stick with a bunch of reflective tape on it, which in theory would've made it look like it was glowing. It ended up looking like ass so they just animated a glow effect over it.

The justification for the slower, more careful strikes was to have the actors pretend they were wielding heavy, Excalibur-like swords, so rather than do traditional swordfighting (which would destroy the sabers pretty easily) they did that instead.

They switched to using solid rods in ESB and ditching the stupid rotating tape thing, so that allowed them to have faster sword work and stronger hits since the weren't fighting with sensitive mechanical equipment anymore.

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>>87382813
>yfw it's Hondo and his new crew.

>>87382730
Fair enough, but still doesn't mean it couldn't happen in canon. George has no control anymore and they didn't translate that idea into confirming it in show, so it could always be reneged on later.

>>87382876
With the Story Group in charge, it's safe to say that's not likely to happen.

>>87382812
>Nothing. He still is the first of the new Jedi. How did TFA change this?

By KILLING his new jedi. There are no new jedi. The jedi order is dead. Instead of defending them Luke ran off to sulk in space Ireland.

7 essentially invalidated everything that was gained in 6. After the war ended the empire literally immediately began making new weapons and kidnapping millions to BILLIONS of children, so there was NEVER any peace. Luke tried to train new jedi knights as Yoda wanted him to, but they were all unceremoniously killed off by a loser who literally never completed his training well into the age of thirty.

The point of the Jedi Knights is to be the guardians of peace and order through the galaxy. When the Jedi weren't being fucked with by Palpatine there was literally a thousand years of unbroken peace. It's entirely reasonable that once he's dead and the order is re established, you can expect peace to return, and actually return rather than in name only, for long periods of time.

The first order physically can not fucking exist without Luke not only failing and losing all his students, but failing to do his job for DECADES before that point.

>>87382874
THINK OF ALL THE PROFIT

>>87382904
Not in the show, but if big poppa mouse decides he wants some ancient Sith badguy ghost in a future movie or something, who's gonna tell him no? All I'm saying is it shouldn't be ruled out as a possibility.

>>87382813
>>87382874
>>87382925
The pirate that takes it is shown in an interlude and it's some random new character. Not Hondo.

>>87382874
Why is Kit Fisto so great?
He was my dude as a kid.

>>87382918
bingo
TFA spits on Star Wars.

>>87382874

Nope. Wendig again. The pirates that take it are a genderqueer narcissist with a Joss Whedon sense of humor and their marry band of anarchists who can somehow keep a miles long war machine functional despite believing that rules and order are inherently evil.

Baring in mind when the rebellion initially steals an SSD in the comics, they say it's impossible to keep even a regular one functional without proper manpower, training, and replacement parts.

>>87382940
It's just a meme guy. No one actually thinks Hondo has a SDD

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>>87382797
>what is the Force guiding and controlling your actions similar to an exoskeleton taking the brunt of the exertion you would normally experience

>>87382849
>>Yoda fights Dooku
>>slips into the force and is suddenly agile as fuck
>>slips back out and is slowly walking as if tired

Not understanding that THIS is why most people don't like the prequels.

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>>87377738
They'll reveal it one day, I remember being bugged about them not telling us what species Tiplee & Tiplar were given their design was pretty neat.

Why does their hair float like it's underwater? Are they a force-strong species so their hair levitates all the time?

But then they became a playable species in Star Wars: Uprising and they're Mikkians, not much else is known other than that but they had a pink one in the Shattered Empire comic.

They're like Twi'leks with even more graceful hair, underrated space-waifus desu

>>87382812
>He still is the first of the new Jedi. How did TFA change this?

By making him the last of the new Jedi.

>How did TFA change the number of the title?

It didn't. But it effectivly made any impact the title itself had moot since the Jedi were wiped out all over again.

>You think the Empire was completely wiped out after ROTJ? There are obviously many still out there in other parts of the fucking galaxy.

The imperial remnants shouldn't be bad enough to cause as much trouble as the Empire as a whole did. The Empire was a tool of the Sith. Without the Sith to command it, even fractured, it shouldn't be anywhere near as bad as it was.

>>87382933
The LSG respects George's vision, along with overseeing all of Star Wars continuity, not just the show. JJ, Gareth, and all future filmmakers have to work with them while they are developing their films.

>>87382976
>not believing in Hondo's potential
You blasphemer

Ssb goku vs the starkiller base

Who wins

>>87382989
>
You're right. I don't understand.
There are very few good reasons to dislike the prequels if you like the OT.

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>>87383001

But anon you see, it's actually simple. There was another dude just like Palpatine that just never came up this whole time. 'member Palpatine?

I remember.

>>87382933
>Not in the show,

Yes, in the show. Everything in Lucasfilm has to be passed by their approval.

> if big poppa mouse decides he wants some ancient Sith badguy ghost in a future movie or something, who's gonna tell him no?

The LSG. It's their job to.

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>>87383001
Look dipshit the point of "return of the jedi (singular)" is that luke is the jedi. Not gay kids who came after the movie is over

>>87383078
>force speed in 1980
Prequel haters bfto.

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>>87382997
I wanted to fuck Tiplee until she broke into Irish pub songs

>>87383078
Kek, he looks like fucking superman

>>87382790
Well he's sort of right.
I thought ROTJ's dogfight was good.

TPM's fight focused more on Anakin and all he did was spin and get shot at, zero intense chatter between pilots.

AOTC's Obi-Wan vs Jango dogfight was a complete fucking joke, Jango shooting a million lasers that literally explode right behind Obi-Wan's starfighter is the most retarded thing I've ever seen. Doesn't help Obi-Wan doesn't shoot back.

First minutes of ROTS had promise but went nowhere because every clone pilot flying alongside Anakin and Obi-Wan get killed immediately. There's zero chatter amongst the clones, the scenes focus on buzzdroid shenanigans, and it just disappointed me greatly.

TFA was the first time we got to see non-MC pilots talk back to each other, confirming hits, reporting loses, requesting cover. It was awesome. Only problem is there wasn't enough of it and it wasn't as focused on as Finn/Rey vs Ren. It also went by too fast. ANH to this day, still holds the title of having the best dogfight in Star Wars.

>>87382660
I don't know why but I always have loved that little spin. There's something charming about it.

>>87382942
>Tfw no SW game where you can play as a Nautolan
Why did SWG get it so right with the races?
Why do people cease to understand that people don't always want to play the human in a SW setting?

>>87383058
Oh jesus christ

>>87383065
Snoke was hiding in the unknown regions. If he came out sheev would have considered him a rival and thrown him out a window

>>87383113
That reminds me where were all the jedi in the opening of rots?

Considering how many they sent to geonosis, there should be at least 30 jedi starfighters going after grievous to get sheev back

>>87383066
Is this a meme? Disney owns Lucasfilm. If Disney wants anything to be in a movie, book, comic, etc, it's Lucasfilms job to make that shit work out.

Do you honestly think Disney spent 4 billion of Lucasfilm to be told what to do? No, Disney tells Lucasfilm what to do.

>>87383080
>Look dipshit the point of "return of the jedi (singular)" is that luke is the jedi.

Not exactly. It meant their return in general. Not just Luke.

>>87383135

SJG was a mixed bag. When it was great it was really great but when it was off it was way off base.

>>87382918
That's life. War never ends and there are never any happy ends. Stop being so asshurt just because Luke and friends didn't get a happily ever after ending. Shit happens.
>>87383001
When you read "Return of the Jedi", it means the return of Luke. Not future apprentices that never appear in the film after the Empire is defeated.

>>87382869
>so that allowed them to have faster sword work and stronger hits since the weren't fighting with sensitive mechanical equipment anymore.
You can start to see this in ROTJ. In reality, it's the precursor to the prequel fighting styles. Luke and Vader are moving fast with fluid movement.

>>87383191

sWg. Jeesus christ I'mslow.

>>87383174
>That reminds me where were all the jedi in the opening of rots?

Combat ready Jedi? Everywhere else fighting the war and or leading the defenses from the CIS's assault most likely.

>>87383113
>AOTC's Obi-Wan vs Jango dogfight was a complete fucking joke,
post discarded

Prequel haters are the real joke.

>>87383206
>it means the return of Luke

Luke never went anywhere. It would be the return of Han if a main character was coming back.

>>87383130
>Spins in the OT that are clunky and accomplish nothing
>Charming

>Spins in the PT that are actually used as they're meant to in generating strength via momentum
>Stupid dancy unrealistic shit

>>87383191
At least it had more of a variety of races than TOR, which was basically human, human with metal gued to them, blue human, green human, blind human, Pureblood, Twi'Lek, Furry, and Togruta

>>87383206
You know your wrong. Why are you being so pedantic and needlessly aggressive? Are you shitposting? Shitposting is against the rules, Anon. Stop it.

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>>87383175
0/10

>>87383252
Don't try to argue with prequel haters.
They don't like SW.

>>87383174
We only saw the battle in terms of directly next to Obi-wan and Anakin. There was much more to it than them, so I'm sure some Jedi were around. I know the 2D Clone Wars show had one of the other masters in the battle.

Speaking of the battle, it's a shame we never got more of it. I'd have loved to see it like a war film of sorts. One episode would be the calm before the storm and Sheev planning his kidnapping. Next episode is the panic of the Seppies suddenly appearing and stealing the head of the government. Third and fourth would be focusing on the battle and it's aftermath following what Anakin does to Dooku.

>>87383174
We could have had Jedi Squadron going for Grievous flagship.
>All wings report in!
>Jedi 10 standing by.
>Jedi 7 standing by.
>Jedi 3 standing by!
>Jedi 6 standing byyyy!
>Jedi 9 standing by.
Fuck, come on Lucas.....

>>87383175
>Disney owns Lucasfilm.

They do.

>If Disney wants anything to be in a movie, book, comic, etc, it's Lucasfilms job to make that shit work out.

Usually, unless the LSG can't find a way to make it work and thus deny the concept.

>Do you honestly think Disney spent 4 billion of Lucasfilm to be told what to do? No, Disney tells Lucasfilm what to do.

I would agree with you on that. But until they fire LSG personnel and cease to let Lucasfilm do their own thing, everyone at Lucasfilm will continue to do their jobs.

>>87383302
Wasn't there a cut scene where Grievious kills another pair of jedi that had gotten on the Invisible Hand?

>>87378642
Only one. A 3-4 year old dressed like Darth Vader.

....and contrary to popular belief, I'm seeing more Wonder Women than Harley Quinns tonight.

>>87383206
>When you read "Return of the Jedi", it means the return of Luke.

Nope.

>Not future apprentices that never appear in the film after the Empire is defeated

It means the Jedi Order has returned. Are you one of those fags who thinks the plural for Jedi is Jedis?

>>87383257

Don't get me wrong, TOR is garbage and SWG does more right than TOR even tries total.

It had great ship designs(the M3-A and the VT-49 are my shipfus).

It had actually expansive and interactive worlds. Playergen cities and being able to actually put down a permanent house anywhere were great.

There was actual variety and customization. You could reliably get your shit together and make it feel unique.

But by the same token the dogfighting itself occasionally had a lot to be desired. Space being weightless meant a lot of people would just stop in place and fire at whoever. When fighting capital ships a lot of people would just park in a blind spot and fire freely.

The worlds were expansive, but limited resources and randomgen made them a fucking pain sometimes. Actually GETTING from place to place sometimes took me like a fucking hour driving by speeder with mostly just blank desert.

>>87383311
That would be less personal.
I love it how it is.

>>87383380
>Actually GETTING from place to place sometimes took me like a fucking hour driving by speeder with mostly just blank desert

Try walking anywhere after your speeder glitches and flies off without you after getting mauled by Krayt Dragons

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>When your entire race has been the go to sex slave species for so long that your females evolve to have human female faces while your males stay ugly as fug

Now that is spooky

>>87383241
Luke hid from Vader and returned to comfront him again.

>>87383472

Like didn't hide. He fell.

>>87383492
He was also disarmed.

>>87383355
I saw a Wonder Woman and a Harley Quinn.

>>87383380
No, I agree. there are some (some) parts of TOR that are better than SWG
But in terms of customisation alone it blows TOR right out of the water.
I mean, you don't even have to comment on sliders. Just the variety of races that you can play as is way better than TOR's limited an recoloured races
And I know people say "It's because of the VAing and the romances that limit the races yada yada yada". But I mean it took YEARS for just Togruta to be added
I just want to play as a god damn Kel'dor Jedi, or a Nautolan Sith, is that so much to ask?

Help I got laughed out of a thread for saying the prequels were better than episode 7

what do I do

>>87378642
Just got back from walking around with some friends.
Saw a gorillion first order stormtroopers.
2 or 3 Darth Vaders.
A fat Darth Vader.
A toddler Boba Fett.
And 1 clone trooper
No love for Original Stormtroopers

>>87383596
Keep strong knowing you're correct.

Also grow a backbone fag

>>87383237
>Implying only prequel haters can laugh at AOTC's "dogfight"
It's literally the dumbest dogfight in the prequels. How can you honestly not laugh at the thousands upon thousands of laser shots that just randomly explode behind Kenobi?
>>87383428
How it is is just missile and droid shenanigans. It was lame.

>>87383237
>Prequel haters are the real joke.

He complained about one sequence in one prequel movie. None of the movies are perfect, OT or PT.

Stop being an ass.

>>87383600
>No love for Original Stormtroopers
Can't have love for a costume that isn't being sold. Next year we might see them with Rogue One having happened.

>>87383559

The fact is that VA work for TOR is probably it's weakest element. It flat out didn't need it and it swelled out the file size out to insane levels, as well as giving insane wait times to extra content as shit needs to be recorded in addition to all the other stuff.

>>87383492
And he hid afterwards.
>>87383356
But we didn't see any glimpse of a new Order in ROTJ. Hell they never even mutter the term "Jedi Order".

>>87383623
>How can you honestly not laugh
WHy would I laugh?
It's not funny. It's a great scene.
>seismic charges

Also, the opening of ROTS is the best opening in the saga.

>>87383637

To be fair half the trooper costumes are fucking horrible to walk around in except the FO one. A good phase 1 is heavy and restrictive. It's impossible to see out of a standard stormtrooper one.

>>87383315
>Usually, unless the LSG can't find a way to make it work and thus deny the concept

If Disney wants the concept, it is LSG job to make it work, or find another job outside of Lucasfilm.

>Lucasfilm do their own thing

Right now there haven't been any issues, but when all is said and done, Disney is at the top of the hierarchy. Disney gets what Disney wants. If Disney decides it better to head down a path that warrants a retcon, then their will be a retcon and Lucasfilm will pick up the pieces.

>>87383686
>WHy would I laugh?

Because it's a ridiculous scene that in no way follows along with any internal continuity with the other episodes of the saga.

Never before or since has a one man starfighter had strong enough shields to block a bombardment of laser blasts.

It's just silly.

>>87383666
No it shows that the VA work in TOR is hindering it immensely. Sure, that's one of it's selling points along with it having the SW name, but because of it shit isn't being made/getting done
They tried to go back to the "Tradish KOTOR style" but its age shows and got mixed reception. Maybe people got used to VAing that the halfassed version peeved people or maybe the KOTOR style doesn't work anymore, I don't know. I personally liked it
But with how all the VAing was designed for basically more human looking aliens, it locks out all the more non-human speaking and non-human looking races. And that cuts a bunch of RP value
Plus, as I said, shit doesn't get done because they need everything to be VA'd, both PC and NPC. If it was just NPC it'd cut time in half. Plus VAing is expensive.
But, this is only one of TOR's problems anyhow

>>87383725
The creative process is collaborative, not one way. Disney Executives≠Directors≠Lucasfilm. Getting back to the original topic, do not expect the LSG to renege on the topic of the Sith after death. .

>>87383806
>internal continuity
Star Wars is the wrong franchise for internal continuity.
Even from ANH to ESB there are continuity issues.

>>87383596
I'm laughing at your failure on the thread. Whatever you do don't delete comments

>>87383725
>If Disney wants the concept, it is LSG job to make it work

Not entirely.

>If Disney decides it better to head down a path that warrants a retcon, then their will be a retcon and Lucasfilm will pick up the pieces.

If it defies something that's been established, it's the LSG's job to say 'no, you can't do that'. It's the primary reason why it exists. Disney wouldn't have bothered to keep this department of Lucasfilm active if they were never going to heed their function.

>>87383666
>>87383836
>playing TOR
>here Hera's voice

Hera's voice actress plays a Twi Lek or Togruta jedi.

>>87383857
>Star Wars is the wrong franchise for internal continuity.
>Even from ANH to ESB there are continuity issues.

But not with this specific issue. This issue is pretty fucking straight forward.

>>87383885
I've encountered that too. I swear I heard Ventress' VA as a Rattataki

>>87383861
fuck off phoneposter

Luke had to fail to some degree or there could be no continuation. Where's the tension if awesome Luke and his super cool new jedi order are alive and well and kicking ass? They had to ruin his life in the EU too to move forward.

>>87383871
>'no, you can't do that'

Yeah, you tell that to your boss.

>Disney wouldn't have bothered to keep this department of Lucasfilm active if they were never going to heed their function.

It's to keep EVERYONE ELSE in line. DIsney is THE TOP of the pyramid. They say what goes and what doesn't go.

>>87383902
I know Padme's voice actress plays the Togruta companion.

>>87383925
>They had to ruin his life in the EU too to move forward.
Not nearly as bad as TFA did.
By the time of TFA in the EU, Luke had reestablished the the Order and the Council in the temple on Coruscant.

>>87383909
NO.

Not tonight.

I don't know how young you are, but stop with the phone bullshit. Much like this "phoneposter" anon you keep trying to start something with, I comment on here all day from my phone because I'm 30 and have a 1 year old. It effects the contents of my posts in no way.

No one gives a shit where any of us are posting from or how we're posting or from what device except you. If you have an issue with people posting from their phones, perhaps you shouldn't come here.

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so this showed up on my news feed

>>87383925
No continuation for a conflict that had already been resolved with a optimistic ending that adequately reflected the purpose and moral of the story? My god, how unthinkable. Can't have that.

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>>87384021

>dark maul

>>87384005
see
>>87379445

I know you're not him. I only shitpost after he does.

>>87383835
I saw this when it was first written. This shit is pretty close to the truth.

>>87383929
>Yeah, you tell that to your boss.

If that's part of the job description, then yeah.

>It's to keep EVERYONE ELSE in line. DIsney is THE TOP of the pyramid. They say what goes and what doesn't go.

In essence, yes. If they didn't want to be told what they couldn't do, they'd disband and fire the employees who's job is to reign them in on certain decisions. But they haven't. Those people are still employed and are still doing their jobs, which entails (amongst other things) telling the Mouse if it can or can't do something within the lore of this particular franchise.

>>87384040
Arguing that there shouldn't have been a continuation at all is valid but a whole other animal.

>>87383952
True. But at least it's not as if Luke's life went to shit all that long ago in the ST timeline. Just 6 years ago.

>>87383836

Oh no for sure.

I think the Mass Effect style "dialogue wheel" and fully voiced nature of it are probably emblematic of the weakest trend in gaming: Style over substance. We're getting increasingly small game worlds and game options because those are what can be packaged most slickly.

>>87384148
I think the point is that it was possible to create a new conflict that didn't involve just undoing everything that everyone had achieved at the end of ROTJ. Rather than try to create a new conflict that was born organically out of the conditions that ROTJ ended on, they just hit a big reset button and had everything revert to what it had been before.

I don't think it would've been as bad if one or two of the victories from ROTJ had been reversed, but absolutely everything gained went to shit.

>>87384148

No, it's THE animal.

The reason Luke had to get hard reset is the same reason we're fighting stormtroopers all over again. There's a collective mid life crisis being pushed and J.J. Abrams went with a nostalgia trip over an actual story. TFA is fundamentally shit for the same reason Korra was shit. It banks hard on the original but shits on it.

The only difference is that Force Awakens had a billion dollar marketing machine behind it and decades more of nostalgia to play off.

>>87384257
>There's a collective mid life crisis being pushed
Yeah, they've been overplaying their hand.
It's getting too obvious.

>>87384214

What gets me isn't just that it happened, but that nuCanon writers like Wendig tried to use it to score talking points, but undercut how shit the whole thing is.

Mon Mothma is a great leader for destroying her own army literally in the middle of the war, because war is bad. Then afterwards she continues to be a great leader despite letting her government be mired in partisan games the old republic never had then letting the entire thing go to shit the moment she retired. But it's the fault of those damn Space Conservatives for even wanting to have a republic army to begin with, even though the Empire literally hasn't left and is clearly rearming already.

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>Love how Luke looks and acts in TFA, love his theme.
>Hate how his character got assassinated.
Who else is in this boat.

>>87384214

Could have been about how the galaxy reacts to two of the biggest Rebel heroes not only being the children of Darth Vader, but also now Leia has Kylo who is the grandson of Darth Vader. How does the galaxy react to this?

>>87384214
Instead of Luke's Jedi being completely wiped out they should have been almost destroyed by Ren's betrayal and gone into exile as a group instead of Luke being the only one. The scene would have been just as good if Rey discovered not only Mark Hamill, she discovered an entire order of Jedi to teach her. Then a third of Luke's life wouldn't have been entirely wasted.

>>87384214
I would have been nice, but the soft reboot was totally necessary.
It's not just about nostalgia pandering, which is a serious force nowadays, but it was also about setting a new stage.

Form a business point of view, the prequels were lead weights holding down any new Star Wars material.
Continuing from the end of RotJ isn't prequel stuff (obviously) but it's not a reboot. It's not a blank slate and that's what Disney wanted.

>>87384346

THIS.

Regardless how a lot of you try to act like PT hate is just a meme, a lot of people didn't like those films.

>>87384346
Is it really setting a new stage and creating a blank slate when all you're doing is repeating what had happened before?

>>87384346
>Form a business point of view, the prequels were lead weights holding down any new Star Wars material.

>what is TCW

>>87384346
>it was also about setting a new stage.
TFA clearly gives zero fucks about doing anything new though. The movie suffers from leaning on the OT's characters and formula as hard as it does.

>>87384330
>Character assassinated
Not really.
He's a moody guy.
He always has been.

Him having his only family member that he personally trained as a Jedi go psycho and kill his school is something that would make him go "You know what, maybe I'm just a shit teacher and maybe my family is just fucking evil. For the good of the galaxy, I'm going to pull a Yoda"

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>>87384330
>Love how Luke[..].acts in TFA
Oh yeah, top tier acting from Mark Hamill.
But yes, I'm in that boat.