Outside of the comic books, will DC ever realize that it has

>>87351214
They will when fans do.

>>87351214
>Even Marvel realized that it's made up of more than Spiderman, Hulk and the xmen.
Only because it didn't own any of them.
So the solution is to get someone else to take away DC's Batman movie rights.

>>87351214

Only because they had sold out their most popular heroes.
And as soon as they could, Marvel started production on their own Spider-man movie, pushing back movies of lesser known heroes.

>>87351436
>DC focuses on batman
>Normal people only know that batman exists because of this
>Well we better focus on batman because that is what people know

>>87351214
Yea because Green Lantern, Flash and Green Arrow all never had shows. Its onlt batman and Supes.

>>87351635
The last 2 weren't decided or made by DC. That was outside forces wanting them.In fact the only reason Flash and arrow had a show is because DC wouldn't allow anyone to use their precious batman.

>Outside of comics
Batman currently has 12 comics. That is more than all the other JL heroes combined besides supes.
If we count Bat and supes they make up over 50% of the super hero line.

>>87351733
What are you talking about? DC as a company has no control over any of that. Its all warners that does none comic stuff and that put in place, and then got rid of, the embargo.


Man ur retarded

>>87352037
You say that as if it changes anything. The only reason why The Flash was made was to protect Batman for more shit movies.

>>87351214
Marvel only branched out because they were forced to start out with people who arent Spiderman, the FF and the Xmen. If they had tose properties, the MCU would be completely different

>>87352374
>TFW batman will never be erased

>>87352327
No? It was made because guggenheim wanted to make it you retard. Back up your claims with evidence.

>>87351214
Marvel only realized it when they were forced to make movies without those characters.

Whe we gonna get a triple A Titans or Justice League game?

>>87351635
Because Arrow hasn't tried to be discount Batman since season 1
>inb4 Green Arrow was always a discount Batman
Yeah, but that was kind of the point and it was taken with a grain of salt, Arrow in season 1 literally tried to be Nolan's Batman on tv. They even had their own Oracle who became the worst character after she regained the ability to walk again.

>>87351514

At least now Marvel knows the Inhumans movie can be shelved indefinitely, considering the "success" of Marvel's current Inhumans-infused comics.

>>87352450
They couldn't make a Batman TV show. It's why Arrow was a rip off of Batman and why fox got a Gotham.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/confirmed-batman-and-superman-are-off-limits-for-arrow-1662696484

>>87351835
>Batman currently has 12 comics

How'd you get that number? Off November's solicitations, there's All-Star, Batman and Detective, maybe count Beyond and '66 if you're being generous.

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>>87351214
>suddenly DC is in the wrong for giving people what they want

It's just how the market works. Have you noticed how DC is promoting other members? Aquaman was pretty close to having two ongoings in the start of the New 52.

The current practice is giving people more of what they want, and that's Batman. Superman is getting a strong support as well and GL has a few titles as well. Stuff like this doesn't happen overnight, the comics industry relies on status quo because that sells the most consistently.

Marvel is going a different route and is dictated by progressive pushes and movie synergy.

If people want more of something different, then they should say so with their wallets. But the wallets want more Batman.

>>87351595
Corporations are not known for taking risks.

>>87352585
If you count Nightwing and all other spin off batman comics he has 12.

>>87352588
>Giving people what they want
See >>87351595
Marvel didn't have this privilege so they managed to turn all of their characters into huge deals instead of just having 1 or 2.
The only reason Batman is the most popular is because he is the only one most people know. Same for supes.

>>87352575
I know there used to be an embargo, but thats not WHY they made a flash show. They made it because they wanted to make a flash show. And thats not why Fox got gotham either, WB Productions shopped a pilot around and Fox bought it.

>gizmodo

Holy kek

>>87351214
>Even Marvel realized that it's made up of more than Spiderman, Hulk and the xmen
And now Spiderman, Hulk and X-men are shit

>>87352642
Id say Aquaman and Wonder Woman have as much recongition in the mainstream as any marvel character that isnt Spider-Man. Id also say Harley is more popular than any non spiderman marvel character.

>>87352796
>Turn a character to shit
>They instantly become popular

>>87352717
They made a flash show because of the success of Arrow but you know if they got Batman like they wanted to begin with it would have been Batman then supes again due to the success they had with smallville. Even then the only reason Flash got a show is because someone in CW rather than warner or DC wanted it.

>>87352820
Harley has BEEN popular for awhile you silly little faggot. And in no way is she any more or less shit than she always has been.

>>87352504
>Arrow was always discount batman
Why do people who don't read comics feel the need to comment on them?
Arrow and Batman are fucking night and day
Batman is dick who does whatever and hurts whoever it takes to accomplish the mission
He treads on peoples civil rights like hes the god damn NSA.
Arrow believes in helping the little guy and has always done what he can to protect people and their rights.

>>87352881
Harley hasn't been mainstream since Batman videogames.
She was definitely popular for a comic book/cartoon character but that is far different than what can be expected of a mainstream one.
Harley now consistently has a solo comic run that sell really well and is in many out of comic things.
Also
>New Harley isn't worse than original Harley
Both design and personality was shit.
Have fun with pedo, slut child killer Harley. At least before she was just a fun Bimbo.

>>87352796
Deadpool is more popular than Harley and has been even before the movie

>>87352642
>they turned all their heroes into big deals
>this is what Marvel Drones actually believe
Pro tip
If they werent in a movie most people dont know who the fuck they are

>>87353041
>If they werent in a movie
I am talking about the ones in movies. We live in an age where Iron man and Thor are more well known than the Flash and Wonder woman.

>>87353076
>We live in an age where Iron man and Thor are more well known than the Flash and Wonder woman.
Seriously
Just stop
Its really really sad how delusional marvel drones are

>>87353127
>Marvel Drone
Nigger, I read exclusively DC. Sorry I am bringing up the fact that casuals are in love with Marvel.
Go back to /tv/ if you want to have console war tier company loyalty fights faggot.

>>87352978
Because they are both street level heroes who face villains far out of their league.

>>87353127
Everyone know Iron Man now. RDJ made the name household. Thor probably isn't as big name but Iron man > Wonder Woman > Flash >Thor

in terms of popularity I mean, Thor is one of my personal favs from comics

I wish Batman was transported to a different earth where he is the only superhero. It would be far better for both Batman and DC as a whole.
He simply doesn't belong in the justice league outside of maybe a money man and IT guy and the fact that the rest of the JL exists means Batman should simply be asking Flash to come over every week or so and solve all of his problems for him in 5 minutes.

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>>87352595
The entirety of the MCU was a risk, anon. Do you honestly think people gave a fuck about Iron Man before RDJ? You think Captain America was anything less then a patriotic, Aquaman-tier laughingstock before that?

DC has no excuse at this point.

>>87351214
>Even Marvel realized that it's made up of more than Spiderman, Hulk and the xmen.

Literally because all they had left were B listers. Everybody else bought out what they thought would be worth something

>>87353504
This.
Wonder Woman, Flash, GL, ect were all far more popular than anyone Marvel had outside of 2 or 3 heroes. Now DC fucked up and Marvel's literally who's are more popular than characters who had the potential to be bigger than anyone in the Avengers.

>>87353701
Which in the end became a good thing for Marvel. Now instead of 3 heroes that they can milk they have nearly a dozen.

>>87351214
Teen Titans Go is successful. I don't like it but it's successful.

Then the new JL Action show is suppose to have appearances from other heroes like Firestorm and Seamp-Thing (if it ever actually comes out).

Then there's Arrow, The Flash, and Legends of Tomorrow that have all kinds of different heroes. Also Supergirl (hell, no one gives a shit about Supergirl and yet they keep her show alive).

Even Wonder Woman is getting her own movie.

*Mic Drop*

/thread

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>>87353800
>*mic drop*
>/thread'ing your own post
I don't usually shit post like this, but this post makes me wish Tumblr would leave

>>87352603

That's ridiculous. He doesn't even appear in all of them. May as well say Superman has 8 books

>>87353800
TTGO is barely DC related considering the character rarely do Superhero things. It's basically it's own unrelated universe.
JL cartoon ain't out yet so we don't know if it will be bat wank central or not.
The only reason CW got arrow and flash is because warner wouldn't let them get the big 3.
WW is apart of the big 3 and the only reason she is even getting a movie is because they are trying to copy marvel.

>>87353870
>It's not Batman
>It's Batman's sidekick! Totally different!

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>>87353880
>TTGO is barely DC related considering the character rarely do Superhero things.
So you're saying Deathstroke comics, Constantine comics, and Harley Quinn comics are not DC because they don't act like superheroes?

>>87353910

Supergirl isn't Superman. Is Titans a Batman book because Nightwings in it?

>>87353734
but NO X-MEN! THEY ALL HAVE TO BE ERASED

>>87353948
Those people aren't super heroes though but at least they deal with super heroes on a regular basis.

>>87354051
No but Nightwing is a batman comic because it's a solo comic trying to show us the life of Batman's successor. It would be like saying Wally's run was only Flash in name because it wasn't Barry.

>>87353504
Well, first of all I disagree the MCU was a risk at all. I don't get where this idea that Marvel were some cowboys charting unknown territory. Iron Man was not an expensive film and it and its sequel were such a success Avengers was guaranteed to at least make decent money.

Second, I'm not excusing DC's lack of effort, I'm explaining it. Once Marvel became a big hit with Avengers the movies immediately nosedived into safety and formulaity. I fail to see how the way they treat Iron Man is any different than how DC and WB treat Batman. Cap and Thor have gained quite a bit of recognition from the movies, yes, but nowhere near the level of Iron Man. There's a reason his helmet is all over everything.

Once you get roped in with a fiscally conservative multibillion dollar company like Disney and WB, your days of risk-taking are over.

>>87354236
Marvel literally bet all of Marvel that Iron man would succeed to pay damages if Iron man didn't succeed. They literally bet all of Marvel on a B list super hero.

>>87354064
That's happened at least a half dozen times now, and people keep falling for it.

>>87354302
this, it was Marvel's hail mary to bring in some much needed capital. It was either it succeed or they would have to continue to sell characters, but they didn't have any big ones left to sell

>>87353076
>>87353253

Which is why the UN just made female Thor and female Iron Maiden an ambassador, right? Because they are so much better known?

>>87354638
>Female Thor
Only people who know there is a female Thor are pissed off geeks.

>>87354236
>Second, I'm not excusing DC's lack of effort

The funny thing is "DC" has made more movies with their B list characters but they all sucked and after B&R the Bat brand was poisoned. It's why Eternal was scrapped and they didn't try anything until Nolan. Begins wasn't even that successful, Superman Returns made more.

The only reason Begins got a sequel and Returns did not was because it was critically acclaimed and more importantly was much cheaper to make. Begins was $150 mil while Returns cost $270

>>87352374
This taught them an important lesson that I wish other studios would take to heart: If you treat your characters like A-listers they can become A-listers.

DC doesn't make DC related movies whereas (at least until very recently) Marvel was directly at the helm of its cinematic universe, so this is a moot point.

>>87353948
I only saw one or two TTgo episodes, but it has more connections/references/easter eggs to the greater DCU than the original series ever did.

>>87351214
>people are retards that want to see everything "better than them" get dropped down to their miserable levels
>"yeahhh go beat up superman, batman. show him the strength of us humans XDDD"

>>87354808
>"DC" has made more movies with their B list characters but they all sucked
what?

>Green Lantern
>Catwoman
.....I'm sure I'm missing others but they are few compared to Marvel's B and C list movie record. Even go back to before the MCU you had more Marvel B list hero movies

>Daredevil
>Elektra
>Hulk
>Captain America

>>87355268

Constantine
Swamp Thing
Steel
Jonah Hex
The Losers
Supergirl

I could include others like Watchmen and V for Vendetta but what I mean is that these movies were made by one studio unlike what happened with Marvel

>>87355533
>swamp thing
what???? I'm guessing it wasn't good. But honestly I have never heard of half the movies on your list....

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>>87355677

He had two movies. They were not good

>>87351214
>Batman and his side kick/rival superman?

Yeah they know they do, which is why they are making a movie called Justice League.

4/10 though you got me to respond.

>>87352861
>then supes again due to the success they had with smallville.
And even Smallville started out as a Batman project

>>87351214
>han just Batman and his side kick/rival superman?

This thread was b8 from the start

>>87355800
>Batman forming the JL
JUST!

>>87355800
>Justice league
>Being made by Batman
>Being operated by Batman

>>87355893
>Doesn't realize this is how DC treats Superman outside of his main comic line

>>87353257
Ollie doesn't really do that, he's rarely punching above his weight class like you see Batman do.

>>87353381
Terrible idea. Pick up a comic book sometime, lad.

>>87356067
>Batfag mad
I go to my local shop once a month.
Batman doesn't belong on the justice league. Literally any average villain that the rest of the JL members fight weekly would kill batman with their finger tip. A street level hero doesn't belong with gods.
It's also hard to believe Batman doesn't ask his buddies from JL to solve his issues for him.
>Joker has hostages!
>Time to give Supes or Flash a text lol

>>87356190
I like to believe his JL buddies refuse to step into Gotham so Batman doesn't go full autism rage.

>>87356236
>full autism
but he's permanently there

>>87356280
Well yeah, he's clearly autistic. But hasn't gone retard strong yet.

>>87353009
lol no

>>87356493
do you seriously believe Harley is more popular than Deadpool? Wake the fuck up. Deadpool was everywhere even before his movie (which was a far FAR bigger success than SS)

>>87356003
Superman fans are pretty annoying and self righteous, so I'm glad there's someone out there to humble them.

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>>87351214
Time Warner owns DC comics. AT & T is looking to buy Time Warner. if it gets bought out, you will never see other characters because they'll just pump trinity bullshit non-fucking stop until they have a brand new excuse to pump out more trinity schlock after some big corporate conglomerate disney, etc etc etc

>>87352588
>that's just how the market works

money is also imaginary and infinite growth/profits is the ideology of cancer.

congratulations for being cancer, anon.

>>87356493
The shit?
Harley was more well known before Deadpool.
However after the comics got a hold of her and went full retard she fell into absolute obscurity.
While Deadpool exploded in popularity.

Modern Harley Quinn is basically doing a poor impression of Deadpool and taking the gross pansexual thing seriously.

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>>87358853
Deadpool existed as a comic character 1 year before Harley Quinn, buddy.

>harley quinn is a poor impression of deadpool
i agree with that. just some bullshit cheerleader sex object

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>>87351214
Because D*sney didn't have the rights to the X-Men and Spider-Man. That's literally the only reason.

>>87351436
This.
DC already tries to promote many other heroes, but Batman constantly dominates their Top 5 best sellers.
Can't blame them

>>87359012
Deadpool wasn't popular till Kelly got a hold of him.
Before that he was that annoying random faggot in a stupid and boring as shit costume that literally everyone hated.

And Deadpool lite Harley quinn is quite a bit older then her SS version.
As a matter of fact the Arkham games and SOME of the current Quinn informs the SS movie version of her. They went with the good Timm Batman origin.

>>87359173
>They constantly promote guise!
>Like only making batman and superman films
>B-But they made one bad GL film!
>Oh and by making half of their runs batman
>Oh and making most of their solo shows batman
And look, it just so happens that if you give other people like Flash and Arrow attention they actually become popular, who would have guessed?

>>87359173
First, no they don't.
And second see >>87351595

>>87351214
DC has been playing the game solo longer and more successfully. How they didn't figure it out before Marvel is beyond me

>>87353262
>>87353253
you guys are really just crazy, Harley Quinn is more popular than Thor or Iron Man, just look at the most bought costume for this year. With Wonder Woman as number 5, and not a single marvel character made it in the top ten.

http://www.cinemablend.com/news/1576190/of-course-harley-quinn-is-the-most-popular-halloween-costume-this-year-here-are-the-rest


Kill yourselves.

>>87361329
>B-but muh movies that no one can even remember what the plot was!
MCU is the new Avatar. Everyone hypes the fuck out of it, it sells, but it doesn't really have lasting power.

>>87354901
That's really it. Just make the movie good enough

they do, the problem is that usually it ends up in failure and people quickly forget

GL had a movie and a tv show + videogame
WW tried to have a tv show
Flash is now having a second tv show in his history
Constantine had one
Brave and the Bold was basically Batman showcasing dozens of different characters
a new JL show is coming out
etc.

this without counting all the movies already announced

>>87361379
I think you're talking about the flops that DC puts out

>>87355913
>>87355970
>Batman and Wonder Woman
>made to honor Superman who is basically Jesus in these movies and the JL will be his church

>>87361469
That is less than the amount of shows/cartoons Batman got.

I would kill my nation's president for Booster Gold becoming a thing in the CW verse. Or even in the main universe.

I would kill my nation's president regarldess.

>>87361519
>deflecting this hard

sorry marvel drone, but your characters wont be A-list no matter how hard you try.

DC's editorial has and will probably be "safer"

marvel's DNA stems from their counter-culture 60s roots. they don't mind taking risks

DC will will just make another flash, give a new GL ring to some earther, ___lad or ____girl, another robin, etc. when they do try something you get something based like deathstroke, or ostrander suicide squad, or even vigilante. but when's the last time DC has gone off the wall outside the box? killing superman? you got steel, cyborg, and connor out of it, even if they are superman derivatives. they even did suicide squad the last 2 times with batfag characters crammed into it. they can't help themselves

quesada was an amazing EiC minus the spider-man fuckery, because he greenlit the entire cosmic rebirth with annihilation because even though he said he was never into the space stuff, and was focusing on hyping civil war, he understood there could be market there and were stories to be told. we're still feeling that today with the ripple effect of that. DC needs somebody at the top who will take risks. not jim lee, not harras, and not 'MUH SILVER AGE' johns

>>87361585
thats not true at all

Batman
-Adam West show
-BTAS
-Brave and The Bold
-Batman Beyond
-Beware The Batman
-The New Adventures of Batman
-The Batman


Everyone Else (I guess discounting Superman)
-Carter Wonder Woman
-Arrow
-Flash (90s)
-Flash (now)
-Green Lantern The Animated Series
-Constantine
-Young Justice
-Legion of Superheroes
-Supergirl
-Shazam tv show from the 70s
-Swamp Thing cartoon


and thats just off the top of my head

>>87361585
No shit, Batman and Superman are a proved thing just like Spider-Man.

If all the initial attempts don't work out of course they aren't going to waste more resources on them, doesn't mean WB doesn't try to differentiate.
They didn't even sell American comics in my country until recently and I still know all those characters thanks to the previous tv shows, movies and other things.

>>87361668
Except most of those did well. Just not amazing because they weren't willing to continue to build it up like they did with Batman.

>>87361613
I can't believe you actually believe the nonesense you are spouting.


Try actually learning about comics history. Marvel has been top down corporate decisions from day one, The Fantastic Four were specifically made as an attempt rip off the Justice League. There just happened to be a lot of talent that made quality work there, but every last one of them got alienated by Marvel at the end.


DC is in no way safer, they invented the goddamn Superhero for god's sake. They made the first super team (The Justice League) and had the balls to exclude Superman and Batman (their two biggest characters). DC had people writing CoIE before Secret War was even conceptualized, and when Marvel got word of CoIE they rushed out Secret Wars so that they could be first, AND just did it to shill their new line of toys and all the toys that had licensed. DC did more things first/created more tropes of superhero comics than Marvel.
Green Arrow came before Hawkeye

The Flash came before Quicksilver AND The Wizzer


Darkseid came before Thanos


Doom Patrol came before X-Men
Fuck, DC had the whole Vertigo line and all Marvel had that could even compare was Epic, and that was miserable fucking failure.
Marvel drones are absolutely delusional

>>87361856
i'm talking about post-silver/modern age you autistic faggot and OP was talking about outside of comics

they didn't invent the superhero
> They made the first super team (The Justice League) and had the balls to exclude Superman and Batman
did you just look at the cover? batman and superman were in the league from the beginning

namor vs human torch is the first comics crossover. if that's too old school for you, then the kree-skrull war, or the F4 wedding predates CoIE

> Green Arrow came before Hawkeye
and robin hood came before them both. yet hawkeye has a decent origin with being an ex-criminal and green arrow is just ARROW BATMAN

> The Flash came before Quicksilver AND The Wizzer
and Hermes came before any of them

> Darkseid came before Thanos
starlin was influenced by kirby but thanos is not a darkseid ripoff

doom patrol is great but nobody has done shit with them sine morrison

> Fuck, DC had the whole Vertigo line and all Marvel had that could even compare was Epic, and that was miserable fucking failure.
and what did DC do? they cancelled verigo.
> Marvel drones are absolutely delusional
you're entire projecting.

i'm not a marvel drone, i like both but DC has been playing it "safe" for the last 10 years

>>87361589
> finally make a collaborative movie of hero's

>MARTHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Bravo sir, bravo

>>87362254
>i'm talking about post-silver/modern age you autistic faggot and OP was talking about outside of comics
Sad part s that everything he posted still applies and you're still wrong

>>87354108
That's not even the same at all. It would be like if Wally had a solo while he was sidekicking to Barry. Stop being a retard.

>>87361519
>DC
>flops

Huh?

So /co/, when it comes to series/comic main characters in DC, who're the most popular heroes.

Personally, I think it goes Batman, then Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman in that order.

>>87351214
Batman the brave and the bold just came out too late.

I just want a Question movie

>>87363755
I question if WB could even do that right.

>>87351214
Batmans had years of groundwork with a built in fanbase and has been successfully updated, I mean compare Adam West to Ben Affleck.

I think the problem is DC assumed Superman as a character needed updated from his 60s counterpart, when instead it was the situations that need updated.