Post OTP

>>87346365
You are pure cancer.

>>87346365
Why didn't Chester get Fairy God Parents? Didn't he deserve them more than Timmy or Chloe?

>>87346413
Didn't he have a really close bond with his father?

>>87346365
People still watch this dreck?

>>87346413
Chester has never been miserable except through wish circumstances

>>87346413
Chester isn't miserable because his dad hangs out with him and he has AJ

>>87346422
Has Timmy/Trixie been anything other than superficial outside one b sea son 1 episode?

>>87346448
The show definitely shipped them. What ever happened to her BTW?

>>87346365
No. Timmy with Tootie or bust. Nobody cares about the post Poof era or any ending except Channel Chasers.

>>87346413
I hate this argument too. How would giving Chester a fairy make the show better? It's like giving Clyde ten sisters.

>>87346518
Plenty of people do though (a lot of my fav episodes are after Poof), if anything I'd say the thing that Season 9 is when a huge chunk of people stopped caring. And the Channel Chasers ending isn't that important except to shippers wondering who he ends up with

>>87346518
>its like giving Clyde 10 sisters

This is a great comparison for why its stupid, I'm gonna use this one next time

>>87346689
Too bad the show will never do anything with them

Lord Hater and Ripov

>>87346870
And who?

>>87346398
People who post in threads just to say they don't like them are the bigger cancer desu

>>87346448
Steve would be much better nowadays if they just got together and stop going to the "Steve wants to get laid" well

>>87346870
I think you misspelled Wander there.

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>>87346992
Google is hard to use, isn't it?

>>87347115
Well fuck me, I need to watch therest of S2

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>>87346365

These two know a lot about each other way to much then any kid should about a person they don't get along with.

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>>87347102
>Steve would be much better nowadays if they just got together and stop going to the "Steve wants to get laid" well
Sounds familiar.

>>87347258
This is different, that's making the "will they otlr won't they" the center of the plot for around two seasons when it never was in the first place

>>87347185
This is true, but interactions like that always feel this way

>>87347145
this is really high quality

>>87346689
Finn seems destined to always end up alone. Still got his bro Jake though. Bros before ho's.

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What about ones that do get together?

>>87347649
>>87346365
Man, Butch Hartman is good at this

Hell, I dont think Danny and Sam were ever pushed together in the show either come to think of it

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>>87347105
The only right answer. Hater/Ripov is pretty cute, though.

>>87347835
What Danny Phantom were you watching? They bashed us over the head with it for the entire series.

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I got much love for Dale, but when I was 8, I thought the little red-nosed bastard was in the way of Chip and Gadget's love.

>>87347906
I mean it was obvious they were supposed to end up together, but I dont think the characters alluded to it, did they? Outside Sam being jealous once or twice.

I havent seen the show in years so I may be forgetting.

>>87346689
I just want it but still I know I'll never get it

>>87347968
Nah, it was practically a running gag that literally EVERYONE except Danny was aware of Sam's massive crush on him.

>>87347968
Yeah, you definitely forgot. The very first Ember episode comes immediately to mind because that was the whole plot, but there was a shit-ton more. I was honestly hoping it wouldn't happen the entire time.

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>>87348022
Well how about that. Still 1/3. Depending on whether the main girl in Bunsen is a Beast will have a crush on any of the main characters

>>87346689
This fucking show.

>Make a cool world
>Fill it with cool characters
>Fuck the coorl world and fuck the cool characters
>Focus all the episodes on fucc the Cucc being depressed
>Any episode that isn't focusing on him is focusing on Hubba Bubba and her lesbian conquest
>Once a season the show will remember other characters exist just to turn them into a waifu and forget about them again

This show is trash now and it just feels like a bunch of stoned teenagers sitting around a campfire taking turns telling a story one sentence at a time.

>>87348122
Ok yeah, definitely forgotten.

I wonder if I'd still like it if I rewatched it. I always did like Fairly Oddparents more, even now I prefer the FoP we have now to more new Danny Phantom episodes

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This is the objectively best ship

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>>87346365
They completely crashed and burned in Act 6, but it was obvious they cared about each other in their own bizarre ways

>>87348432
This is 100% true and what made me stop watching, even after binging S6 and not hating it.

Just didnt feel worth it

>>87348543
How would it work? Mung daal is faithful to his wife and I imagine Tito having a strong moral compass worthy of that fucking ballsack-chin.

>>87348432
Not to mention
>Dude this bright and colorful world is ACTUALLY a post apocalyptic setting LMAO

>>87348569
I don't really follow Homestuck but didn't the author add a bunch of special snowflake pronouns and terms to justify putting the trolls in shitty and abusive relationships?

Also didn't he make all the trolls hermaphrodites with tentacle dicks

>>87347968
>>87348022
>>87348122
>>87347906

>Clueless 1, This is Goth 1. Over
>Goth 1, this is Clueless 1. Why am I clueless 1?
>Tell him!
>Shut it.

Even when he was dating another character, this show still bashed us over the head with it

Hell Danny's father made him a ring with Sam's name on it

>>87348741
That part's alright. It's the fact that they started beating us over the head with it at a certain point that sucks. It could have turned out cool but the writers suck at lore. It should have stayed vague.

>>87348921
To be fair, while SU isnt the best show ever, it pulls off AT much better than AT does, with a better use of the whole cast (sometimes certain people get too much focus though, like the fucking town)

>>87348850
I remember that

>>87347851
I cant imagine hater acting so lovingly

or Wander, come to think of it

>>87348842
>didn't he make all the trolls hermaphrodites with tentacle dicks
I'm not sure if they're hermaphrodites, they had some distinction between boys and girls but no one decided to pay attention to that. The tentacle dicks was a really popular fan theory but he never actually said what their genitals were so people hopped on board with that. It all led to just some really bizarre porn.

As for pronouns I don't recall anything like that but he had given them their own system of romance which did justify their shitty relationships.
The introduction to that bullshit is where the comic started to go downhill.

>>87347851
wander is not for romantic

>>87349238
hate fugg?
>you are disgusting ronald

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literally perfect

>>87349238
I dont see it at all. In fact, Kim/Ron is such a perfect example of this that it ended up happening.

>>87349583
But they are LITERALLY shipped

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>>87349695
Ya and they will LITERALLY end up together

>>87349695
Well, Bonnie is basically Kim if she didn't grow up with Ron keeping her personality in check.

I ship Kim/Ron too, but Ron/Bon a bit more

>>87349257
It's also when the tumblr-gate got flung fully open.

At least we got some sweet music out of that train wreck. Tensei is fucking great.

>>87347924
I thought Chip was kind of a tool, and didn't like the pairing at all.

But then I thought about Dale and it seemed 5 times worse.

Gadget is best staying the ever-virgin. That way all the other ones in Russia can worship her.

>>87349771
>>87349583
ew no

>>87347924
In the years between seeing the show as a kid and watching it again online and on DVD, I had totally forgotten just how much Foxglove's episode was trying to resolve the love triangle. Obviously, there's introducing Foxglove as a love interest for Dale, but Chip also spends the entire episode trying to confess his feelings to Gadget. It actually kind of surprised me a little.

>>87349810
ironically

>>87349993
>the second movie might ship them

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>>87349193
He was nothing but loving to Dominator, though.

>>87349327
He's plenty for romantic, s-stop.

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>>87349327
Wander is literally only for romantic.

>>87348569
HAHA

LOOK AT THIS FILTHY HOMEFUCK

YOU GOT ASSBLASTED BY DAVEKAT HUH?

SERVES YOU FUCKING RIGHT FOR BEING A HOMEFUCK

KILL YOURSELF

>>87351189
He loved Dominator but I dont think he was very romantic

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Truly the purest love

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>>87351934
fuck off /gfg/

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>>87351995
>fuck off /gfg/
>from a timmyposter

>>87352068
Oh I see...the show ships TinTin and Chang instead of Chang and Snowy, the pairing you obviously find superior. That's kind of fucked up man.

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>>87352134
at least FoP's annoying waifuism isnt 50% incest

And also this show has better qt's

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Pearl and Greg from Steven Universe.

>>87352339
>Does it still taste like Rose, Pearl?
>How would I know?
>Right, how would you?

>>87352339
cuck her then fuck her, man Greg's game is good.

>>87352436
Not really, when you take a step back you realize Greg is the only person she actually knows who isn't her quasi-son/nephew, repulses her on multiple levels or is in a gay relationship with herself.Greg's game doesn't have to be good if it's the only game in town.

>>87350998
Well to be fair it is Lin. Whom doesn't have a crush on her.

>>87349049
>It should have stayed vague.

This. Instead of having a ton of episodes say "so this is what happened way before the apocalypse", they should've just kept it in the background.

Sole exception to the rule is Simon and Marcy episodes.

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Its clear she feels something for him by the way she talks about his fate and the way he deals with it.

Hellboy deserved real happiness, not the short and bitter reprieves he got.

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>Post characters that would realistically end up together even if the show doesn't ship them.
Nah that's boring I like my crazy ships that only make sense when I take things out of context.

>>87352622
I agree

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P U R E S T L O V E

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>>87352563
Tenzin.

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>>87351535
Yes.

>>87351868
That's true too, he definitely went about her all wrong. But then again, she's also a total bitch.

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>>87346365

>>87346365
Next to timmy/tootie. This is mu next one

>>87352943
It's surpassed Timmy/Tootie for me by way of feeling much more natural. But Timmy/Tootie is still high up there.

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why can't he accept her girlcock into his heart?

Timmys mom/dinkleberg

>cringe ships: the thread

>>87346689
Whats her name?

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>>87352339
I hope this is how they wrap up Pearl and Greg's character development. They've grown so much and to see them able to get along with one another despite the cuckscapade in their past gives more dimension to their characters.

>>87353168
>grown so much
>Pearl

>>87346689
>>87347185
>>87347649
>>87349583
moar?

>>87353184
Yeah, she's grown into a much bigger disappointment.

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>>87353099
Huntress Wizard.

Canonically wanted to do Bubblegum in her first episode.

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>>87353231

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>>87353259
What happened?

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This guy with the pink rabbit chick. He was created to give Chowder some kind of love triangle thing going but of course Chowder only give a damn about food.

As a guy with a feminine body and monotone voice I can really relate to this goat thing.

>>87347145
i.e. What I wanted from a season three

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>>87353429
There was a contest where wizards battle to the "death" and when it was announced that the prize was to get smooch time with BB she cheered.

>>87347145
Toppo tier

>>87353547
everyone is lesgians.

>>87353259
>>87353547
the wizards didn't know the prize when entering and they weren't allowed to leave.

>>87353547
Im ready for it to end

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>>87353608
nah she's bi.

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>>87351590
>Karkat being this ass blasted

I like to imagine Steven getting raped by the gems.

>>87353746
you too eh?

>>87350998
I wanted this. I hope they do this in the comics. I know it's unlikely, but come on. They're both consenting adults with common goals and tons of proximity. And compatible parts, which is important but not vital.

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>>87353231

ok

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>>87353746
Amethyst probably would because he's of Greg and Pearl probably would because he's of Rose.

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>>87353283
Actually real cute

>>87353231

>>87353494
Ceviche was never competition for Chowder. He was more likely to get with Chowder himself than win Panini from him, not that Chowder even wanted her.

>>87354152
>tfw Ceviche wasn't a lass
>tfw I half-heartedly shipped him and Chowder, which was the only pair I shipped.

>>87354024
god Steven is such a beta because all of these seem like likely reactions from him

worst main character besides Lapis, but that's a given.

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Would you?

>>87355152
I blame Greg for not being there to raise him.

>>87355222
There is nothing I'd love more then to see tumblr react to the stranded island episode in rule 63 format.

>>87348432
It was really the storyboarders deciding to take their 20something californian issues out on poor Finn that did it.

Remember when he was a refreshing, heroic character?

Like man how good would it be if they had the guts to have him go with, "Holy shit Peebs is psycho." instead of just avoiding anything comeuppance happening to her ever.

>>87353283
Man I can't find good Dudley and Kitty art for the life of me.

>>87353429
"We don't need scripts or a strong showrunner, the storyboards can do what they want!"

>>87347924
I always liked these two. Its a shame the comic got scuppered by the boom disney afternoon comics all ending. Man it was getting good.

>>87348432
don't forget lol tragic characters, and everyone is linked in some way.

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>>87355538
It does tend to be rarer than it rightfully should be. In my opinion, they're tied with Judy/Nick for sheer adorability.

>>87355897
.....Judy/Nick who....

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>>87355897

>>87356011
for >>87355943

>>87356064
shit for some reason i was thinking of jimmy neutron.

i have no idea why.

>>87356407
You're thinking of Carl and Judy

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>>87347145
A true Patrician I see

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>>87356478
Nothing will ever top the real OTP.

>>87346460
Eh, I'm kinda neutral about S10 right now. Chloe (at least after the first episode) is at least an okay character, better than that dog. Though right now, I don't really care until the episode with MILF Chloe comes out.

>>87356738
Season 10 seems to be the show legitimately trying to go back on track after last season, and that noticeable effort makes me support it, for the hope that it will grow even more with time

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>>87348569
this is my absolute forever otp
you have good taste and I love you anon

>>87356702
People complain about Mabel, but there are things that ended up much worse off because Season 3 not happening.

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>>87357787
>>87348569
you both have top tier taste anons

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>>87358521
thanks ma man
who do you ship dave with?
davejade here

>>87358604
as a non fan, everyone in this comic looks the same

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>>87358862
I can see what you mean. They are the same species. Especially in Hussie's style.
Few physical differences. Just hair, horns and clothes.
The kids themselves look REALLY alike. John and Jake especially.

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>>87358862
>>87358983

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>>87358604
DaveJade too anon. I don't have any fanart lying around right now, so let this do

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He doesn't deserve her after the way he shot the idea down, but it was obviously the end game if they had had another season.

>>87358033
Realistically speaking, Hans is more likely to end up in the gallows.

>>87356702
You know, even though GF is probably the best technically modern cartoon, I do find it incredibly lacking in character development pay-off compared to shows like AT and SU. Showing more continuity between character interactions and behaviors would have endeared me a lot more for the Season 2 finale. Dipcifica disappearing out of nowhere and Mabel's stagnant selfishness are the worst examples of this.

>>87359718
Isn't that because Hirsch was pretty much "burnt out" as he says. iirc he planned it to have 3 seasons but he was already sick of it even before season 1 ended. It's probably why season 2 is half baked.

>>87346365
>that would realistically end up together
>even if the show doesn't ship them

OP that doesn't make any sense.
This is fiction, if the source material doesn't ship them then they wouldn't "realistically" end up together anyway. That's just what you, the fan, thinks.

>>87354024
>Amethyst and Vidalia had threesomes with Greg
seems legit

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>>87349583
Does Lincoln have the hots for The hispanics??
btw cute pairing.

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>>87358033
muh negro
>>87359636
Realistically speaking, not really.

Jennifer Lee, the writer-director, has said that in her eyes Hans is a tragic character and a product of growing up without love, Santino Fontana (Hans' VA) let slip in an interview before the sequel was confirmed that the writers had told him they "have an idea and want to bring Hans back and redeem him", and Disney paired Elsa and Hans in a dollset where the official box art (also printed on merch like cups, bags, notebooks) had strangely flirty expressions, instead of following the movie narrative like the other dollsets.

Also, it'd be narratively (and merch-wise) neat. 4 attractive main characters divided into 2 pairings. Disney has never redeemed a main villain into love interest status in a sequel, so it'd actually be interesting and fresh. Also it'd be a great way to touch the importance of critically evaluating your own actions, since blindly thinking you're in the right no matter the measures because you were brought up with those values can lead to one becoming villainous.

Elsa also needs a love interest at some point, and it'd be better imo to give Hans more backstory and character development than to march out an all-new character who has to be introduced.

>>87359850
>>87359850
If the show doesn't position them as in love but thier characters and interactions mean that they could realistically end up together some day, that's what I mean. Timmy and Chloe aren't remotely positioned as liking each other romantically, but have great character synergy and compliment each other. That's what the thread is about. I think people understood what I meant based on the replies

>>87359718
People home in on Mabel (for whatever reason) but every single character and interaction in S2 was not paied off except Soos. We're still getting Dipper/Wendy shit in the final episodes, Ford is a royal ass who IG bored everyone but Dipper and that's what caused the apocalypse in the first place, the out of nowhere "I won't hold your hand" bullshit from Stan, everything about Wendy besides Into the Bunker, failed Pacifica character growth, the aborted Time Baby/Blendin arc, how Bill was omniscient and could be fooled so easily, just one massive shit show. Mabel was annoying bus seeing everyone focus on that only is really fucking annoying when that's barely the beginning

>>87360161
*ignores

*but

>>87360102
That's interesting as hell actually. On the one hand, I feel like it would be interesting to see a villain with that redemption dynamic in a Disney movie. On the other hand, I do feel like it could seem antithetical to the first movie, since Frozen was the first princess movie that played against that whole everyone-needs-a-love-interest-by-the-end shtick. There are worse directions for a sequel to go though.

>>87360102
The reason they are "redeeming" hans is because they honestly have nowhere to go with elsa and the marketing that sold it as girl power and coming out of the closet also damned it to never being marketable outside of a few things here and there.
Their last second SO CLEVER SO DEEP SO FEMINIST FRIENDLY heel turn with the guy damned it to permanent mediocrity.
No amount of women are doing it for themselves pr pandering and vague allusions tho lesbianism is going to sell this.

It's narratively dead, there is litteraly nowhere to go for it and every place they can go with it is not good at all.
No seriously. Think about it. Where is this story going to go? She nearly destroyed her entire kingdom while throwing a tiny bitchfit at a small gathering.
She's seconds away from losing her shit and going full ice queen and even killing her damned sister in the process.
Not only that she's a frigid NEET who has no experience dealing with people and can't govern worth a fuck.
Even worse she won't even be able to produce any heirs for the throne.

Let's be honest. The first even semi decent cartoon with an attractive yet average in every way female lead with magical powers and a handsome normal male lead who's in every way the typical chad and Frozen will be forgotten in a month and quickly replaced in everyones mind.

Fucking Zootopia out did it in ever metric and made as much if not more money with not even a percentage of the marketing OR the overly shilled retarded as fuck themesong.
And it starred fucking animal people.

>>87360206
>everyone-needs-a-love-interest-by-the-end shtick.
Anna who was bitched at for DAYS for "marrying a guy she just met" fell in love with "A guy she just met"
also her true love at the end was in fact her sister.
And Disney went to town on the lesbian implications of this.
Problem is that it was wildly unpopular outside of disney payed for pr and it got the least porn of any modern cartoon I've ever seen.

>>87360102
>bring Hans back and redeem him

That sounds neat...but he tried to murder Elsa.

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>>87354152
>He was more likely to get with Chowder himself

Chowder is barely aware Ceviche exists.
Frienemies are the purest love.

>>87360372

Let's go in order:

1) She started dating a guy rather than marrying him outright like most princesses. The whole point was to deconstruct the rushed marriage element and take things slowly.

2) I didn't notice any lesbian incest officially sponsored by Disney, but please feel free to enlighten me.

3) There's so much fucking porn so I don't know what you're on about there.

>>87348569
They had more chemistry than any other Homestuck couple. Which isn't saying much, but its a shame they didn't end up together

>>87359454
>He doesn't deserve her after the way he shot the idea down

But wasn't she based off his dead wife?
It would be sort of strange to go straight for someone who looks almost just like your dead wife.

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How do you all do it. I can't get into OTPs or enjoy OTP art because I just think about how I'll never experience cute things like that.

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>>87360615
>Can't enjoy OTP
>Because he doesn't believe in it for himself.
That is why you fail.

>>87360468
>1) She started dating a guy rather than marrying him outright like most princesses. The whole point was to deconstruct the rushed marriage element and take things slowly.

Dude, the rushed marriage thing was not deconstructed in the least nor was it a central point to the story. Nor was it even modestly compounded upon.
Brave tried to do the same thing and she just came off as a retarded bitch who'd be seen as a selfish evil cunt if she was anyone but the heroine of any Disney movie before the modern era.
If they wanted that they should have made the entire fucking story about it. Not some cheap throwaway thing that was put in there just to make it seem clever.


>2) I didn't notice any lesbian incest officially sponsored by Disney, but please feel free to enlighten me.
I don't have to stupid.
Shitty porn is always ALWAYS bought and pushed as pr for media. Are you new?
Notice how the r34 of it completely fucking stopped once it took off?
Okay, notice how they HEAVILY pushed the butch avatar character with the lipstick lez looking character in lots of porn?
They changed the characters relationship from the typical dom lipstick lesbian stuff that the lesbian community digs to a more feminine acting version of said butch mc who's being domed by the lipstick lesbian who's now bigger then her. Even the source material changed as well.
Why? Because being the butch/dom in a lesbian relationship with a lipstick would have KILLED the character and the series.
Anyway, Disney paid a good chunk of change to push this. And it sold to those thirsty fucking losers.
Want to know how I know it was a fake push? It had no legs in the r34 community outside of that. None.

>3) There's so much fucking porn so I don't know what you're on about there.
Not really no.
Not at all.

>>87360372
>And Disney went to town on the lesbian implications of this.
They really did not. There were zero actual lesbian implications on the film, it's all just retards deciding that because Elsa's single and does not show interest in finding a man while believing her touch and very presence is dangerous and fatal, she must be gay.

>also her true love at the end was in fact her sister.
It was Anna's true love for her family member that thawed her heart, yes. That was the point of the movie; that familial love is also strong and true, that other types of love than romantic are also real.

If you honestly twist that lovely message into Elsa being into girls, shame on you. That'd be shitting on the very core of the movie and trying to twist things into " nope, it was romantic love after all, family love isn't real, only romantic love counts as love", which is sad.

>>87360382
Yes, anon. I watched the movie too, several times. I know what happened in it.

I'd assume that the writers - you know, the people who WROTE the script - also know what it said and what happened in the movie. And yet, they're thinking of writing a sequel script in which Hans is redeemed. The fact that they're even playing with the though says something imo.

>>87360720
>compounded upon.
I meant expanded upon.

>>87360720
Holy shit dude how inebriated are you?

>>87360206
>On the other hand, I do feel like it could seem antithetical to the first movie, since Frozen was the first princess movie that played against that whole everyone-needs-a-love-interest-by-the-end shtick.

I disagree. I know that a lot of people argue that Elsa will lose all the "independent woman" points if she gets a love interest, but that sort of view - that a woman can only be strong if she's single, and as soon as there's a man around at all, he takes charge - is pretty fucked up. Staying a spinster forever is also pretty sad - while people can be happy, we're social animals longing for companionship by heart.

Especially for Elsa, who suffered so much so far in her life over loneliness and isolation, who couldn't even hug her parents from age 10 on because she feared she'd kill them, who has absolutely no connections, no friends, no family outside Anna, remaining single forever and always only experiencing family life through Anna's family, being the aunt while Anna's attention is more and more taken up by her husband and kids, would be absolutely tragic. For her character development arc, learning to interact with people, forming friendships and romantic relationships, daring to experience romance and intimacy would be important points, finally letting go of the fear and panic and terror-driven isolation.

The first movie also won't be changed by the events of the later movies. Besides, Anna did get a love interest in the first movie, they just didn't rush into a fairytale marriage. Which in itself was already great - maybe they could continue that by having Elsa not get immediately engaged, but also move slow in her relationship?

>>87360749
>They really did not. There were zero actual lesbian implications on the film,
It was shilled by their PR online as a way to market it to retarded fucks, get some good vibes from the queer mafia and losers on the net.

>It was Anna's true love for her family member that thawed her heart, yes.
That wasn't the original point of the movie. Just the one they decided to go with at the last second. And that's what was pushed HEAVILY as the reason for it being gay.
Because..it's a disney movie where true love conquers all and it ended up being her sister.

>If you honestly twist that lovely message into Elsa being into girls, shame on you.
LOLOLOL. Please.
I never at any point thought that was gay per se. But I and litterally every person on the net was honestly beat over the head with it being gay and or feminist bullshit from the word jump.
Best part?
No one likes the ending or really cares for Anna outside of the very people who pushed that. She's barely an entity outside of being the only way for Elsa to emote.
For a show that was all about 'women don't need relationships' this one character is outright DEFINED by a relationship.
And the second film is going to be something where they desperately try to push a redemption story for the hans character. Best part?
Even though this character tried to kill anna in that narratively dishonest last second heel turn, he's still lusted over by the loserettes who like that shit movie.

Anna was best served as the funny animal sidekick and played that role admirably throughout the entire film.

>>>87360382
>Yes, anon. I watched the movie too, several times. I know what happened in it.


It says they know they wrote themselves into a corner and realized they fucked up in making hanz evil for a so clever so deep ending.

>>87360315

>>87360315
>the marketing that sold it as… coming out of the closet
No, they definitely did not.
>also damned it to never being marketable outside of a few things
Frozen has sold merch to the tune of nearly $7 billion, so I'd say it's pretty damn marketable. It's a huge cultural juggernaut.

>It's narratively dead
First movie focused on Anna, the second might focus on Elsa. I don't think she's fully healed, she was traumatised for so long, had to see her sister die, just barely got her powers under control. She still needs to find herself and learn to rule.
Also the sisterly relationship could get some development, to become more like a real sibling relationship including bickering and disagreements, instead of frantically agreeing about everything because they literally have no other friends or family so they HAVE to get along.
Also Kristanna romance developments and Anna coping with her royal duties and whatnot.
I heard a Frozen team (Lee & Buck, producer Del Vecho and Art Director guy) went to Norway & Finland to study Sami culture, clothes, music, traditions, reindeerherding etc - so Kristoff might get more backstory?


>zootopia made as much if not more money with not even a percentage of the marketing
lmao, no.
Zootopia did very well in the box office, getting over a billion, but still falling 250 million behind Frozen's sales.
But then there's also merchandizing, and on that front Zootopia doesn't even come fucking close to the crazy Frozen consumer frenzy that ran for years and made headlines as the parents kept clearing the shelves, hammering out well over $6 billion over the years. Also initially Frozen got pretty much the same marketing push as Zootopia - it's only AFTER the movie proved to be an insane hit and the merch was permanently out of stock no matter how quickly D tried to re-stock, did they realise they had a moneymaker and started to answer the endless, roaring consumer demand by pumping out massive amounts of Frozen merch.

>>87347102
>Steve would be much better nowadays if they just got together and stop going to the "Steve wants to get laid" well
agreed, especially when you do the math and realize they've done that plot approximately 40 something times, while it's probably not the most overused plot in American Dad(that probably goes to one of Stan or Roger's recurring plots), it's the most tired of them(exasperated by them making the mistake of having Steve be a teenager, honestly the show would be better if you swapped Steve and Hayley's ages around, as Steve's often make more sense for someone college aged, and Hayley's often feel more like a high school kid's plot)

>>87349238
honestly I could see it happening, especially if some of Ron's episodes didn't have a Return To Status Quo ending(the episode where Ron gets a new hairstyle, the one with the muscle ring, and the one where he gets rich all especially come to mind)

>>87361063
>It was shilled by their PR online
What have you been smoking, anon? Did you spend too long in /r/elsanna?

> And that's what was pushed HEAVILY as the reason for it being gay.
Because..it's a disney movie where true love conquers all and it ended up being her sister.
Did you not at all read the part about "family love (nonromantic) being ALSO important and true, just like romantic love"? The point is that yes, it was true love, but not romantic love at all that saved the day. Blindly going "hurr all love must be romantic if it's true love it's romantic no other way" is shitting on the core message of the film and also being dumb, because ain't no way in hell Disney will push lesbian sibling incest romance in their Princess musicals.

>But I and litterally every person on the net was honestly beat over the head with it being gay
Not at all, anon. You're confusing 4chan's /frz/ echo chamber with the entire internet, I'm guessing.

>>87361063
Holy shit you're pulling out some Mark Jones level stuff right here.

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>>87346365
Implying.

>>87361228
>No, they definitely did not.
Yes, they did.

>Frozen has sold merch to the tune of nearly $7 billion
The sheer amount of money spent on PR alone could make any trash sell.
It's litterally one of those sub mediocre pixar films where they try so desperately to be so deep and fail masquerading as a disney film where the entire female cast are digital bratz dolls.

>First movie focused on Anna,

Rule in what way? Her first show of being a queen was an outright failure and she nearly destroyed her own kingdom with her own hand and ended her entire familial line over a tiny fucking slight.
And we already saw Elsa's story in the first movie. The second feature was more of the same. Long ass musical number where this supposedly independent queens entire damned life revolved around her sister and her boyfriend.

Fucking Ariel, who is the most stereotypical disney princess you can name, has more to her story then elsa and anna and has enough to her to make a few movies that don't shit the bed and a series.

The fuck does Frozen have?

>Also the sisterly relationship could get some development,
They already showed what happens with sisterly disagreements.
Kingdom in an ice age, crops wiped out, animals dead, people leaving and dying, her sister dead.
And Anna had all the potential in the world to have a relationship outside of the NON relationship she had with her sister.
She was canonically a prisoner in that castle because of Elas and had no one to be friends with at all.

>>87361702
The first person she met was the apparently nice guy hanz who had the same kind of life she had.
and they decided to get shacked up. Movie made a big deal about how that's bad for some reason.

Want to know the most fucked up thing about this? This woman who basically kept her kingdom and own sister prisoners because she couldn't deal with just basic fucking human emotions is automagically cured at the end because of some bullshit and she has a happily every after super best friends forever relationship with her sister where nothing dissagreeable happens ever.
That's even worse and more dishonest then Anna simply marrying Hanz and fucking off to fly around the world.

>Also Kristanna romance developments and Anna coping with her royal duties and whatnot.
No one cares.
Anna doesn't exist without Elsa and Krist was seen as a mostly useless beta that was added at the last second becuase they needed some testosterone and didn't want to push this might be a little gay button to many times. Also they needed romance in there.

If you lifted Kristoff from the movie entirely and have Anna findout about the trolls from...a book or the little snowman that she can't remember that she meets up while trying to find elsa the movie would not change a single bit.

>I heard a Frozen team
Hell no.
His entire backstory is that he's for some reason the kid of the random fucking trolls.

>>zootopia made as much if not more money with not even a percentage of the
When you discount the untold hundreds of millions spent on marketing Frozen? Yeah it definitely beat it's ass into the ground.

>But then there's also merchandizing, and on that front Zootopia
No it didn't.

>- it's only AFTER the movie proved to be an insane hit and the merch .
Disney had Frozen merch pre-made and ready to go. They even had "frozen trash is so popular that only the worst parents/guardians on the planet won't have it" marketing in the media that christmas.

>>87361257
>honestly I could see it happening, especially if some of Ron's episodes didn't have a Return To Status Quo ending(the episode where Ron gets a new hairstyle, the one with the muscle ring, and the one where he gets rich all especially come to mind)

You're right. I noticed on rewatching that whenever Ron got popular, Bonnie was all over his dick

>>87361702
Are you drunk? Your posts are all over the place and a bit delusional, full of typos. Maybe it's time to stop posting

>Yes, they did
Anon. Disney did not market Frozen as a coming-out-of-the-closet film. The fact that you're trying to insist that shows you're deluded.

>The sheer amount of money spent on PR alone
Again it seems you don't read before replying. It went the other way; Frozen merch consistently sold out first, the parents were desperate for it, the Frozen merch demand made the news, and only then did Disney wake up and start to push and market the franchise more. Your understanding of things is wrong, upside down.

>>First movie focused on Anna,
I think you meant to quote a different line. Let's assume you were talking about Elsa:
>Rule in what way? Her first show of being a queen was an outright failure
>we already saw Elsa's story
You're contradicting yourself. Her story's not over; like you say yourself she hasn't proven herself as a ruler yet to her people, but she's the queen and has to rule the kingdom despite having failed disastrously at first introduction. She needs to learn and grow and prove herself.

>second feature
You mean short, 7 min isn't feature length. Yeah it was just a drawn out song, but it did add to the characters a bit. At least, it showed that Elsa's still traumatized about the past and obsessed with apologizing and making things up to Anna, still wrecked with guilt.

>The fuck does Frozen have?
Why are you this angry? Also Ariel got the shit direct-to-video sequels, and similarly Frozen is getting a full-length sequel, book series, shorts, and who knows what else. They'll probably have more story in the sequel, so they'll have more to their story then. You're not making much sense.

And the first sisterly argument ending badly is exactly why they'd need more development. They can't skirt around arguments all their lives.
Honestly it's sort of difficult to understand your points, if you have any.

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>>87361257
Well the Hayley works because her character is based on someone who's foot is in the door in terms of being independent but still relies on her family, and also she's married

while Steve seems to be based on "high school is the best time of your life" type stuff about trying to get a date for a dance or getting a first kiss or defending from bullues or some shit.

But indeed the girlfriend well has run dry and needs to end. Worst part of the show indeed

>>87361699
reverse-implying

>>87361743
>automagically cured at the end because of some bullshit and she has a happily every after super best friends forever relationship with her sister where nothing dissagreeable happens ever.
Do you literally not see how this is great material for the sequel? You're ranting and raving because the movie resolved too easily, too neatly. Well, the sequel is the perfect place to show that naa nigga it wasn't that automagically easy and give the development the story needs.

Seriously anon are you drunk? If not, why are you raving so angrily, making typos left and right? Chill.

>>>zootopia made as much if not more money with not even a percentage of the
>When you discount the untold hundreds of millions spent on marketing Frozen?
Nigga I literally just said they got the same initial marketing push - the same, not ""not even a percentage". With that same marketing money, Frozen sold everything out of stock and created fierce consumer demand. Zootopia didn't. Disney then responded to that demand by making more, much more products, and also starting to market it more.

>>But then there's also merchandizing, and on that front Zootopia
>No it didn't.
Seriously it's very hard to understand what your point is. Your quotes and answers make no sense.


>Disney had Frozen merch pre-made and ready to go. They even had "frozen trash is so popular that only the worst parents/guardians on the planet won't have it" marketing in the media that christmas.
Again you're wrong. They did have the normal amount of merch pre-made, yes, but it sold out. Everything was out of stock during the christmas rush and for months in spring 2014, too. There were news about it. You talk a lot of shit.

>>87361927
>Anon.
Dude. You're stupid.
Most of the marketing of media online and in most places has never EVER been direct. Not ever.

>Again it seems you don't read before replying.things is wrong, upside down.
Uh huh...

>I think you meant to quote a different line. Let's assume you were talking about Elsa:
No it did focus on Anna and Elsa. We know litterally all there is to know about them and what we do know is deeply sad and fucked up if you think about it for a few minutes.

>You're contradicting yourself.
When you fuck up that huge and have shown that you're an emotionally unstable ice slinging demigoddess you don't get a second chance.
They would find her headless corpse in a coffin with her sister on the throne.
Besides, the entire first movie was all about how her being a queen and her being expected to marry and provide an heir were these horrible horrible chains and binds that kept her from being happy.
Them trying to go back and make a story with that will shit all over the original movie.

>You mean short, 7 min isn't feature length.

Still?
They never showed that in the first goddamened movie. This is them actually showing her trying.
And yeah it is a feature.

>Why are you this angry?
Ariel got an entire series and feature length movies.
FRZ has to go back and undo every single thing from the first to make a second film. I mean they have to go back and undo every single fucking thing that happened throughout the first including the ending and moral to make a second film.

>And the first sisterly argument ending badly is

The movie outright states that she has shit control over her powers and will drive the entire kingdom into an ice age if she gets a bit angry. Also the ending is pure "and they lived happily ever after" meaning that they'll never have an argument not ever because all is right with the world. And that is totally different from the ending to the ending of sleeping beauty or snow white.

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My thread has gotten weird.

Though that's only because I never watched Frozen and so all of this is just going over my head.

Though I dont mind. I like seeing actual discussion on /co/ again. Carry on.

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They're basically the same characters with different power levels. If Mabel and Bill switched places, it would be the same show.

>>87362038
>Do you literally not see how this is great material for the sequel? You're ranting and raving because the movie resolved too easily, too neatly. Well, the sequel is the perfect place to show that naa nigga it wasn't that automagically easy and give the development the story needs.
What fucking development?
What bullshit thing are they going to argue about that will not reveal how deeply hypocritical and fucking stupid a good chunk of the morals and story ideas from the original movie are?

>Nigga I literally just said they got the same initial marketing push - the same, not ""not even a percentage". With that same marketing money, Frozen sold everything out of stock and created fierce consumer demand. Zootopia didn't. Disney then responded to that demand by making more, much more products, and also starting to market it more.
1.I didn't even know that Zootopia even existed till months after it came out. I knew that Frozen was a thing because ever goddamend place on the net and television, which I don't even watch, had frozen trash on it. That's not even mentioning how much play that song got.

2.Disney had the merch already made and the marketing for it already devised. Including the ITS SELLING OUT OH GOD WE CANT KEEP IT ON THE SHELVES marketing.

>Seriously it's very hard to understand what your point is. Your quotes and answers make no sense.
I'm cutting out just enough of portions of your post so that I can fit it all in and you'd know to what part of your post I'm referring too.

>Again you're wrong. They did have the normal amount of merch pre-made, yes, but it sold out.
According tooo...

>Everything was out of stock during the christmas rush and for months in spring 2014, too. There were news about it. You talk a lot of shit.
Planned.
Do you honestly not know how this works?

>>87349049
The sad thing is, the show was never about that. People saw the intro and when theories came out about it being post apocalyptic, Pen and the guys rolled with it.

>>87362241
>never shipped within the show
were we watching the same show?

>>87362255
Is this true? Huh

>>87362255
Man "Pen and the guys rolled with it." sure was a running THING.

>>87362286
when else did that happen?

>>87362128
>the entire first movie was all about how her being a queen and her being expected to marry and provide an heir were these horrible horrible chains and binds that kept her from being happy.
Nnnnoooooo anon the thing keeping her from being happy were the freakish magical ice powers she had.

You know, the literal ice powers she froze the entire kingdom with in panic and showed off during "Let It Go" when she built the ice castle?
That the troll warned in the beginning have great danger in them, showing the populace attacking and destroying Elsa in the vision? Which led to the King locking down the castle and ordering Elsa to isolation, to keep the powers hidden from everyone, because they were dangerous and she feared she'd accidentally kill people?

Those powers, not at all the expectation of marrying and producing an heir.

Seriously you're consistently so deluded it's strange. You're wrong about everything. Like you didn't even watch the movie and are now just pulling rants from your ass.

Anyhow, it's pointless to try to discuss anything with someone like you, who refuses to accept reality and canon and invents shit to present as "facts" and be angry about. You go on living in your happy little delusional bubble of lies and being angry, if you want. Honestly it seems like you're drunkposting.

>>87362327
>Nnnnoooooo anon the thing keeping her from being happy were the freakish magical ice powers she had.
Yes, you idiot.
She left her responsibility as a queen and for her ice powers behind and fucked off.

>You know, the literal ice powers
Panic?
No, she used ice powers to push everyone away in a panic.
She froze the entire kingdom nearly to death during her triumphant LET IT GO song where she built herself a frozen play house to live it up in.

>That the troll warned in

They couldn't have gotten a second opinion? They just picked up a random fucking book and said, okay we're going to keep a girl who's entire life depends on her being able to keep her emotions under check and make her the queen and not let her interact with anyone.
Yeah. Brilliant.
Anyway I stand by what I said. They and she later kept Anna as a fucking prisoner and would not allow her to go to the village or anything. Not even to build a life on her own away from the castle.
Even went so far as to shit on her for doing something that Elsa, who is queen and would be expected to do, marry a prince and provide an heir.

>Those powers, not at all the expectation of marrying and producing an heir.
The emotionally closed off woman who after a single solitary tiff with her sister froze her entire damned kingdom and went out of her way to say "you're marrying a guy you just met! THATS RETARDED"(even though that's exactly how marriages between kingdoms work)
nearly to death is going to get married and provide an heir?

>Seriously you're consistently
Such as?

>Anyhow, it's pointless to try to discuss anything with someone like you,
Stop saying stuff that's true and makes me feel bad you jerk.
I want to enjoy my trashy disney garbage in peace.

>>87348663
You can't stop what the soul wants.

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Who's this raping my eyes with these walls of text? Is this an argument of some kind?

You windbag motherfuckers need to just post memes and reaction images.

>>87362198
>According tooo...
Frozen & franchise wiki article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_%28franchise%29#Merchandise

>mid-April, U.S. consumer demand for Frozen merchandise was so high that resale prices for … Frozen dolls and costumes had skyrocketed past $1,000 on eBay, both Disney and its licensees had arranged for air freight to rush fresh inventory to retailers besieged by desperate parents
>Similar shortages of Frozen merchandise were reported during spring 2014 around the world
>although Disney had high expectations for the film, "demand went even higher than they thought it ever would."
>May 1, 2014 (7 mo post release)…reported that Disney Consumer Products was developing a comprehensive program of new Frozen merchandise for 2014 and 2015, which would include … "home décor, bath, textile, footwear", sporting goods, consumer electronics etc
>October 2014, Iger acknowledged … that demand for Frozen costumes "has been crazy since the movie came out, crazier than we ever anticipated, because, who knew?"
>At the start of November (year after release), it was reported that the shortage of Frozen merchandise was finally over, and Disney and its licensees had "adapted to a new reality where demand for Frozen merchandise seems unquenchable.

>The "Frozen juggernaut" was cited as a major reason for a significant decline during 2014 in sales figures for other toy brands
>Frozen toys were the No. 1 item on "holiday wish lists of girls", a position which Barbie had previously held for 11 years

>Chris Buck stated: "We never expected anything like this. We just hoped to make a movie that did as well as Tangled! I hoped the audience would embrace it and respond to it, but there's no way we could have predicted this."


You keep insisting that Disney had all the merch made and it was all planned pre-release, but it's clear you have no clue what you're talking about. Do you honestly think Disney planned to be out of stock in the Christmas market?

Any time I see Frozen merch, I wince slightly because I can't get those images out of my head. The horrible images of /frz/...

>>87362699
....
Using wikipedia for a source on something like this?

Are you fucking retarded?

>>87362538
You're an utter moron who didn't get the movie at all, doesn't remember what happened in it, and pulls shit lies out of their ass to present as "facts" anon.

I don't understand why you're so salty over Frozen you need to invent lies about what happened in it and surrounding it so that you can feel even angrier. Maybe you like being angry, but trying to debate anyone with false invented arguments just makes you seem like a crazy person.

>>87362675
Reading is good for you anon, shh

>>87362675
And lesbian fanart.

>>87362761
I got the movie. It was deeply flawed trash that only retards like you saw as anything more then deeply flawed barely thought out trash.

You need to grow the fuck up nigga. Shitty stories with shitty morals help define who people are and who they will be.
Holding absolute garbage like this up hurts all of humanity as a whole

>>87362753
Anon, dear, wikipedia articles have a list of links in the end. You can go there, click on the links, and it'll take you to the sources.

If you disagree, feel free to provide proper links supporting your arguments of Disney having supposedly accurately predicted Frozen's popularity and merch demand.

You won't find any, because that's not what happened.
I'm just pointing out now that you can't counter sources with links to more sources with "my headcanon is different and says that Disney planned to be consistenly out of stock in the Christmas rush, watching parents to pay $1000 for shit that retailed for $50 to scalpers on ebay, because they like watching money paid for their products not ending in their pockets" -tier bullshit "claims". "Are you a retard" is not a valid argument, it proves nothing except that you have zero substance to your claims, it's all just angry shouting and swearing.

>>87362753
Yes because some asshole just made up those quotes and the didn't source them
Oh wait

>>87362848
Did you actually read the post or did you just mindlessly post that.

Most of those links are fucking articles and the words of disney themselves.
Like I said, its literally all lies and false scarcity.
It's fucking PR

Are you fucking retarded?

>>87360615
Jesus Christ OP that is one depressing point of view.

Think of it this way, point of shipping is that you're experiencing a relationship through the OTP with your imagination. That's why shipping is so popular. You get all of the emotional benefits of a relationship with none of the commitment. It's just a fun hobby that allows the participant to explore their own views and ideals about love and relationships, without the trial and error of actual dating.

That is unless you're one of the sad people whose happiness depends on their OTP being "canon" but the writers have other plans, then you get the emotional pain of a break up without having actually been with anybody and it's an incredibly awkward situation to put yourself in.

But yes, shipping is fun. It's no different than enjoying a work of fiction about 12 year old geniuses saving the world, or impossibly beautiful and wealthy people. All fiction is fantasy that we don't get to experience IRL. There's no need to self-insert into a ship, just enjoy it for what it is.

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>>87349583
ENDGAME.

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Make way for Cute and Perfect. Sorry for stealing your line Starco folks, but it applies here too.

>>87348842
>e author add a bunch of special snowflake pronouns
Not really.
>terms to justify putting the trolls in shitty and abusive relationships?
Yes.
>Also didn't he make all the trolls hermaphrodites with tentacle dicks
No.

>>87363491
good taste

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true OTP

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>>87360615
I'm the opposite. I have Asperger's and consider myself incredibly likely to be forever alone (currently 31 years old and have never so much as held hands with a girl), so I ship so I can sort of vicariously experience a happy, loving relationship.

>>87362994
>OP
That ain't me friend.

I usually don't ship, because show appointed ships never feel genuine to me anyways (hence the thread) but its not impossible for me to do so

>>87364228
This is true

>>87354024
Oh my god I just noticed that Pearl is projecting Steven's conception

>>87365363
wouldnt she be crying?

I see the same shitty couples in every one of these threads
Aren't you getting tired of posting the same shit again and again?

>>87346448
huh?
What happened to Debbie?

>>87350344
Foxglove for Dale
Tammy for Chip
Sparky for Gadget

>>87349583
>>87363491
>>87364650
Lel, don't tell me, you trashers warmed up on Spicloli.
Guess I have to pay you a visit soon.

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>>87349238
I feel like this could have made a great episode, or running gag. Just imagine Bonnie being soft on Ron and Ron being totally nonchalant about it.
>B:HAHA KIMMIE YOU LOSER
>Oh, hey Ron
>R:Hey Bon
>K:...Bon..?
>R:Oh we hung out at [event]. Cool when she wants to be.
>K:????

>>87348842
The trolls are a violent race and as such they have a form of romance that is essentially rivalry with benefits. BDSM alien shit though, not abuse. If the damage is one-sided odds are it's just abuse.
A hate-mate does sound a bit appealing though, I must admit.

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>>87362241
They were hella shipped anon.

Here have a better one. Am I the only one who wishes Numbah 2 never reverted back to a kid? He and Cree had some real chemistry

>>87360102
>strangely flirty
They both just have shitty smug faces that look flirty. A suitable tree would receive the same expression.
>Elsa also needs a love interest at some point
How do you figure?
>merch-wise
Reusing a character instead adding a new one ain't good for merchandise. They made baby snowmen for Christ's sake.
As for Hans redemption, maybe the "if only anyone could love you" but could be redeemed (I've seen fan art where his brother/parents have said that too him) but he tried to kill a queen and left the other to die (and possibly would've killed her anyway)

>>87353168
on the other hand, the writers probably value their lives too much to try this

>>87360102
Elsa & Hans sold out within hours & sells on eBay for like $150 (D23 sells for triple of that). Anna & Kristoff took several days to sell out, which is uncharacteristic of most dolls in the Disney Fairytale Designer collection. Anna & Kristoff are being priced at $100 on eBay, which if I remember correctly is retail price, so it would be considered a loss for scalpers. Both sets had a limited edition production number of 6,000, excluding Elsa & Hans's 1,000-edition D23 set.

>>87366353
>Reusing a character instead adding a new one ain't good for merchandise.

Tell that to Barbie.

Elsa is a lot like Barbie in that respect. Girls will buy multiple Elsa dolls just like Barbie. Change Elsa's size, age, or dress, & you got more sales per consumer.

>>87366353
Snowgies, like the trolls, didn't sell. It's all about Elsa.

>>87360615
Personally, it just tickles me

>>87346365

That chick looks like shes on something, or just super depressed.

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>>87347357


Even in the Peanuts comic the had chemistry, there where even times she was flirty with Charlie Brown some times down right seeking his approval.

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>>87364228
>cutesy fashionable teen Mandy that's still a grim, evil cunt

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>>87366778
She was so stressed out that she wished to be a slacker

>>87366082
I'm actually kind of mad these two didnt end up together. Not quite Harry Hermoinie mad, but close

>>87367569
Its a shame the show is still as shit as when Poof appeared. Chloe is a fun character and a great addition to the show but the writers suck

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>>87367655
I mean, I personally think the Poof stuff is fine. The only really shit season was the Sparky one.

Plus I was glad that Poof came because Season 5 is one of the most stale seasons of the show, and 6 seemed to be specifically trying to not be as lifeless.

>>87365820
is debbie the fat one? She was great too actually.

>>87359636
Hans hadn't been hung as of Frozen Fever.

>>87347649
Damn adorable

>all these ships involving race mixing
Absolutely disgusting.

>>87360206
Actually, Pocahontas was made single in her (first) movie. Merida never got with anyone either.

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Give it a year or two

>>87370008
I cant like this purely because the show stopped the whole first season to push this shit

>>87365961
Followed by a "Kim gets jealous someone hangs out with Ron episode"

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>>87348432
>This show was trash
ftfy

Get some taste

>>87360468
Anna went for single to engaged to left for dead by fiancé to kissing new beau in a matter of DAYS. And this was all witg men she had not know prior. Anyone who was sane or mentally stable would take a sabbatical from relationships after being left for dead by fiancé, but no, Anna "can't help herself!"

>>87349238
sauce pls

>>87346413
Chester wasn't miserable. He's actually a genuinely happy person in shit circumstances.

It just goes to show how fucked the Fairy God Parents system is.

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>>87372064
>Update
Art by bigdad, colour by a colorfag in drawthread.

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>>87372159
Much love anon. Have some KLK fanart for your trouble.

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>>87372243
No problem senpai

I just wish he made more Ron/Bonnie or Bonnie in general

>>87372159
The hyper breasts take me out of it

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>>87372525
Looks better up front

>>87372625
Yeah, it does

>>87349810
The thumbnail kind of looks like a sad Wile E. Coyote

>>87350174
>I thought Chip was kind of a tool
Why do you think he was paired with Gadget?

>>87348432
And then when they go on the wiki or rewatch old episodes just to reference them in new ones. It's pretty funny when they obviously re-watched old episodes just to get more material to reference. Bet they thought I didn't notice, but I did.

>>87367799
I'm a pretty big fan, but this season was bad. Nearly every episode has Crocker as a villain. The pacing is poor and comedic timing non existant. You can tell Hartman is just going through the motions until his new cartoon gets released.

>>87346365
why is she doing that 'that's where you're wrong timmo' pose

>>87346689
She's a weirdo who would never be down for the kind of relationship Finn would probably want man.
His best chance is with a normal gal who isn't a princess or wizard or any of that crazy shit but those seem to be very nonexistent in the show.

>>87373178
>the comedic timing is nonexistent

The comedic timing is one of my favorite things about this season actually. I have examples but I dunno how to explain it exactly.

They're doing things they haven't done before like episode continuity and we've seen people like Dark Laser and Catman again after ages where they have been gone. I dunno man, this season is doing most things right for me. Its a shame not everyone sees it that way.

I don't mind the Crocker stuff because he's back to his season 2 characterization of being a crazy teacher trying to keep happy. Seeing three episodes in a row where Crocker doesn't mention fairies is several seasons overdue. For me it feels like they're legitimately trying for the first time in years

>>87373698
Susan Strong?

Canyon

>>87365607
Despair but also a boner

>>87352134
>Mandyposting

>>87375510
>>87375510
Are you talking about Pearl or yourself?

>>87375208
Giant amazons are really the closest thing to "normal girl" you can think of? There's gotta be regular old plain Janes in the land who are down to have a nice adventurer bf.

>>87377703
I think what Finn really needs is a girl who shares his thirst for adventure while still being the yin to his yang.

>>87377703
They are "normal" in that they don't have any extra odd personalities or roles. Canyon just lives in a house right?

>>87366082
That ending where they revealed he had a crush on numbah 3 the entire time

That came so fucking far out of left field. Especially with all the teasing of the supreme leader and 1.

>>87378432
Wait, what? When the hell did that happen, I don't remember that from the final episode.

>>87351934
Good choice

>>87378204
She lives under a lake.

>>87353283
Cute and Saved

>>87379314
My Googlefu says it happened in Operation W.H.I.T.E.H.O.U.S.E.

Though it was just this.
>Adult Numbuh : "Who had a crush on Numbuh 3? And don't say Numbuh 4."

>Numbuh 1: *smiles knowlingly*

Though I can't seem to find the context of this conversation.

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>>87379577
In a house? I mean, she's no princess or demon or anything super odd, just an adventurer like he is. Uncomplicated

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>>87377703
Susan is pretty normal by Ooo standards, heck she's one of the only biologically human people in all of Ooo

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>>87380706

>>87360102

I'd be interested in the idea, but Disney is so predictable and 'safe' these days that I doubt they'd go on such an outlandish route as to try and redeem and make a love interest out of a guy who tried to kill the main(?) character, especially considering it was a pre-meditated plan.

>>87379738
Huh, I don't remember that at all. I guess that seems to be implying 1 had a crush on 3 like when he was younger and just joined the agency, which I could see. Seems like it isn't implying he's still crushing in the present day.

>>87379738
>Adult Numbuh 5.

>>87381007
Pshaw, Disney just did a furry movie about racism. Redeeming a villain is soft compared to that. Frozen was actually going to have Elsa intentionally freeze Anna's heart & be redeemed by Anna's "sword sacrifice" in the denoument, so it's not hard to imagine that they'll go in the same direction with Hans.

>>87380074
Seems Zone really likes this pairing. Not that he drew this, but searching for this lead me to multiple Zone pics of the pair.

>>87380074
I wonder what I think about this.

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>>87349238
She canonicaly got together with Senior Jr. Still, Ron and Bonnie together is a fun ship to think about.

>>87381860

> Disney just did a furry movie about racism.

And it was just as safe and boring as everyone expected it to be?

Of course a carnivore wasn't the bad guy, it was just an evil sheep who had weak ass motives, and the ending was just a "everyone gets to live together in harmony!", completely forgetting that pretty much the entire city ((except for a few groups of people)) on the herbivore side totally turned against carnivores and it's never really dealt with, it just flips 180 to a happy ending where everyone's inclusive, instead of the carnivores being pissed off that they were antagonized so easily.

It was an ok movie, and, of course, it's a kids movie, so I wouldn't expect it to go full on with those ideas, but overall, Zootopia was still exactly as easy and safe that say, Big hero six or Inside Out was.

>>87381007
>especially considering it was a pre-meditated plan.
Originally he meant to woo and marry Elsa and rule with her, but then things went to shit to the point where the nobility told him to his face to abandon Princess Anna to die alone in the woods and take the throne himself.

The way I see it, Hans did a lot of questionable stuff, but his truly villainous acts are relatively few; being such an utter bastard to Anna as she lay dying, trying to aid her inevitable death by Elsa's hand along a bit, and possibly the"accident" for Elsa he'd been thinking of (he hadn't taken any action to that direction though).

So he's a villain without a doubt, but he's not 10000% evil like some Disney villains, like Jafar.

It's all so muddily written there's room for some retconning and explaining some of the milder shit away, to a point where a Disney "lemme just die protecting you to show my love and loyalty oh wow magic I'm back baby" death would atone for the things that can't otherwise be excused.

Besides, characters in Disney movies pull reprehensible shit all the time and we're supposed to just ignore it because they're one of the good guys now. Like I said, it'd be interesting and fresh, and Disney's trying to do interesting and new stuff all the time.

Also the lesson of good-at-heart people slipping up and ending up being villains if they don't critically evaluate their choices, views and actions every now and then is actually an important one, considering today's echo chamber culture. Personally I dislike the classic "villains know they're evil, choose it and love it, while people who think they're the heroes always are and thus their every action is justified" setting. Everyone thinks they're in the right, fighting the good fight with the just causes. Including the villains.

>>87382441
Actually, I thought it was interesting how they made Judy, the cheerful protagonist, be in the wrong and have racism and prejudice in herself, too, which she had to accept and deal with.

>>87382441
And they never really talked about how herbivores werent taken seriously

They really never addressed how carnivores and herbivores did indeed treat other like shit. It's like Korra season 1

>>87381007
>Disney is so predictable and 'safe' these days that I doubt they'd go on such an outlandish route as to try and redeem and make a love interest out of a guy who tried to kill the main(?) character,

In Tangled though they made a love interest out of a career criminal who'd stolen the crown jewels and abandoned his partners to be hanged with a smile, who was so thoroughly criminal he was hunted by both the law and pretty much every outlaw.

He became fit for a love interest because
a) he was witty and hot
b) he eventually stopped being condescending and trying to con Rapunzel, showed vulnerability and had a romantic duet with her
c) he liked her so much he decided to not steal her birth crown after all, wow
d) he gave his life trying to save her.

No-one was shrieking that Tangled is teaching little girls that criminal thugs on the run for their lives make fantastic husbands if you just love them enough, are fun and sweet enough, and show them enough empathy, warmth and nurturing. No-one questioned Flynn's suitability at all in any way.

>>87382441
The Lion was a fag politician trying to sweep the ferals under the rug the the Sheep was a wicked cunt who lusted for power and demographic voting blocks

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>>87382793
Good shit, my dood

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>>87382793
FUCKING DELET THIS SHIT

>>87382931
This looks very much like the comic pushing them together though

>>87382510

> His truly villainous acts are fairly few

But they WERE against the main(?) character.

I can't imagine the parents who bring their kids to see these movies would be okay with the idea that it's fine to fall in love with someone who pre-planned and legitimately tried to murder them, without any regret whatsoever by the look of it.

I can see MAYBE a redemption, but even that would be a "we just can't forgive you right away, you'll have to work at this for a long time" kind of things, but certainly not a romance between him and another character, he was just too determined to grab at power, and if it meant the deaths of two innocent sisters, then he had absolutely no problem with it.

As it is, I don't think Hans was meant to even think of himself as good, he never shows any real disdain for the sisters or how they/Elsa rules the country, but he's completely willing to arrange both of their deaths to put himself in the seat of power. You could make the argument that it was partly due to his upbringing with the brothers (( if that was even true )), but again, it doesn't justify regicide and pre-meditated murder in general. He's undeniably a villain to the main characters, and I think having some kind of romance sub-plot in his redemption would just be insulting to what the characters faced in the first movie.

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Always and forever

>>87383476
the episode when it rains and gem drill was a gift

>>87382793
Steven with Lapis or Peridot please. Connie got boring fast.

>>87383329
The writers made their fucking bed no they have to lay in it.
There is no way to redeem this guy that they threw under the bus for a hilariously underwhelming and narratively dishonest heal turn.

They are fucked when it comes to pull a hero/prince/fuck buddy for their former cash cow heroine and they know it.

>>87382510
Being cruel to someone who is dying is not a crime, especially considering the shit Anna put Hans through. His actions towards Anna would not constitute murder (at least in the first degree). The "plan" to assassinate Elsa was scrapped when he vocalized it to Anna.

I suppose you could say Hans is evil or despicable, but he has not crossed the moral event horizon in my eyes. He would be beyond redemption if he successfully murdered someone, but by chance Hans avoids this prerequisite.

>>87383329
Well, Hans didn't really commit any crimes. Well, I guess you can say he conspired against the crown, but the only evidence backing up his claim is a single witness who he just broke up with. Such a breakup can cast doubt on the witness's claim as it could be argued it is fabricated out of retaliation.

Hans cannot be blamed for either sisters' deaths. Elsa accidentally killed Anna & Elsa was to be executed for regicide.

>>87383329
>But they WERE against the main(?) character.
Yeah, but not the girl he'd be ending up with.

>pre-planned and legitimately tried to murder them, without any regret whatsoever
Again, it wasn't really pre-planned at all.
Also if Disney wants to redeem him, surely they'd write some regret and genuinely atoning action for Hans into the sequel? After all they animated some shock and sadness upon learning that the girls were doomed to die, so it's not like he completely rejoices in their deaths - intially he's sad about it.
No-one is suggesting he'd be redeemed like
>hey Elsa sorry bout all that yeah you're kinda hot let's marry
>lol sure you're so hot I can't stay mad at you
>*wedding bells*

In general I find the "the parents wouldn't approve" excuse a bit laughable - as I said, Disney heroes pull all sorts of shit and it's completely ignored, so worse shit with a little excusing explanation and some nice messages of redemption and forgiveness and second chances and turning your life around would go down without issues. Also Disney movies are always full of ridiculously fast turns of events. People fall in love within days. Elsa herself SHOULD be hated and distrusted deeply by her own people, but nah she made an ice rink and smiled at them and said hey sorry for nearly accidentally killing you all, it's all good they love her now. Stuff that should be a huge problem is just okay like that.

>he never shows any real disdain for the sisters
He shows a lot of steadily growing contempt for Anna during their time together at the coronation ball.
>he's completely willing to arrange both of their deaths to put himself in the seat of power.
He risked his life to find and rescue Anna and also saved Elsa from both becoming a murderer and from taking an arrow to the back, despite Elsa having just set Marshmallow on them. He was willing to risk his life to find Anna again, and didn't exactly "arrange" Anna's death; it's Elsa who killed her.

>>87383582
No, not entirely. A skillful writer could easily explain actions in the past film & spin up some sympathy for the guy. Redemption has to be earned, not just bringing the character back with a sad face.

>>87374178
>we've seen people like Dark Laser and Catman again after ages
They were in the last season. Dark Laser didnt even become a recurring villain until the Poof era. I'd rather have Vicky than either of those shitters or Crocker.

>>87383685

> Being cruel to someone who is dying is not a crime

But I'm pretty sure knowing someone is dying and purposefully lying about said person already being dead would be, at least in that time period, and especially if that person is royalty. The aides were right outside, he intentionally left her to die.

> The "plan" to assassinate Elsa was scrapped when he vocalized it to Anna.

Except at the end of the movie when he lunged at her with a sword? The 'plan' to kill Elsa was not a concrete method, but he DID keep the plan to kill her just whenever he found the opportunity, whether that was with the ice chandelier or with the sword, it's still definitely attempted murder/regicide.

> but by chance Hans avoids this prerequisite.

And he had no regrets about doing what he did, no kind of moral dilemma, it's not like he backed out at trying to kill Elsa, he certainly would have if it weren't for Anna taking the blow.

>>87383891

> Hans didn't really commit any crimes.

Attempted murder/regicide doesn't count?

> but the only evidence backing up his claim is a single witness who he just broke up with.

So just because it couldn't be proven in a modern court of law, it doesn't count? We as an audience witnessed the attempt, the audience KNOWS he's guilty, so if they did try and do some cheap romance redemption, it's still the audience who would have the knowledge of what happened, and it's the audience who would be insulted by the desperate attempt to stick Elsa with a love interest who tried to murder her.

>>87348432

You just described Steven Universe. Its actually kinda sad.