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Can you smell the desperation?

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Can you smell the desperation?
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Did someone say despair
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Considering how many retailers said they ordered low on #1 and still have copies sitting around I'm not sure how much of a difference this will make
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I finally got around to reading it and was surprised how much I liked it. Too bad it's gonna be gone in like 4 months.
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>>87323145
I mean. The first issue was pretty good, even if it bombed.
It's sad that it's so unsuccessful that Marvel's literally giving away issue #2 free, but I admire their desire to see the comic succeed. This one didn't deserve to fail like Solo did.
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Matching 0 is still 0
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>>87323145
I know, it's sad, like when they did the same thing to Vision. Trying to get people interested in that garbage book.
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>>87323356
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>>87323205
Are they really trying that hard though?
Most people probably don't even know this book exists.
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>>87323356
Agreed, still trying to figure out why so many people were kissing King's ass during the latest volume. Over the-fuck rated.
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>>87323466

yeah you'd think that marvel would at least put like previews in the back of inhumans books or something
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>>87323205
maybe if he's not an Inhuman. maybe it would have caught audience.
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>>87323466
I think in this case they expected hype to do the work for them except nobody cared that much because people continue to not care about the Inhumans
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>>87323466
Yeah they didn't really try that hard
Did they even go on tv about it like they did Thor?

And not enough people threw a fit like people did with Kamala, so they didn't get free publicity.
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>>87323548
Marvel seems to only be able to advertise through shitstorms.
They don't know how to actually promote something on its own merits instead of shooting down shitposters and trolls.
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>>87323500
Because that worked so well for Nighthawk, Black knight, Solo, Foolkiller or any of the other books that failed. New characters that aren't attached to a well known name or getting mega pushed have failed for Marvel. Expect another legacy book soon.
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>>87323642
Foolkiller isn't even out yet.
At least the author of that one is aware enough to realise he won't get past one trade, though.
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>>87323205

I'm happy it's failing because the cunts wanted to charge me 5 bucks for the privelage.
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>>87323145
>Ask me about why my black life matters cover
>Start bitching on twitter
>Sales go up a bit
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>>87323738
pre-orders anon, retailers have been doing nothing but bitching about nobody reserving marvel books so they don't order a lot.
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>>87323922
Marvel should hire you
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>>87323466
I was interested. I was planning to buy it.
Then I got to my LCS, picked it up off the shelf, saw that it was $5, and put it back down.
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>>87323922
>>Sales go up a bit
Maybe not just a bit. If the publicity stunt introduces readers to a better written Marvel book then it's a good stunt. The Cain fiasco just gave a possible new readers a shitty representation of comics. Cain's not even a comic book writer as per her own words.
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>>87324830
>$5
Like sucky sucky?
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>>87323205
Two things. First it's five dollars and I'm not paying five bucks for something I don't know is good or not.

Second he's been poisoned by inhumans. No one likes them and it hurts new characters associated with them. THey had to know this would bite them in the ass. Hell being a mutant would have actually boosted his sales.
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>>87323145
>make a good comic
>stars a completely 100% new character not replacing an existing one
>Marvel decides it needs to be announced as a diversity comic
>Marvel decides it needs to have an Inhumans tie
>Marvel decides it doesn't actually need to be promoted
>Marvel is shocked when sales of the book tank from the outset
>Marvel's lesson from this will be more black gay transgender women replacing white male and female heroes is what's needed
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>>87323205
This. First issue was decent too. which is a shame
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>>87323500
The sad part is I remember seeing someone on here saying around the time the first issue came out that the writer said the character's actual involvement with the Inhumans is going to be, at most, fairly minimal which is kind of how Kamala is. That'd be the right way to go about it if the concept of "Inhuman" wasn't so utterly poisonous right now since it wasn't when Kamala was created.

It's pretty funny. M-Day happened because Quesada hated that "he's a mutant" replaced origin stories and thought there were too many mutants. Now a decade later "he's an Inhuman" is the go to origin for any new character. How long until we get I-Day?
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>>87324914
They promoted the comic, the made a prequel where the guy infiltrates in the hellicarrier just to steal Coulson flying car.
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>>87323205
>>87324998
Five. Dollars.
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>>87324998
It was garbage.
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>>87325029
I just hoping that the inhumans will leave earth after Atillan get destroyed so they can focus more on the internal problems, just like everyone have been saying, marvel should try and make the inhumans like game of thrones.
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>>87323211
ZETSUBO DA
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>>87325115

how the hell does marvel not get how that pricing is supposed to work. you charge that shit for spider man type crap and let this stuff be cheap
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>>87324860
The writer of Mosaic wasn't originally a comic book writer. But he was a TV writer and TV writers seem to have a hell of a better time transferring over to comics than novelists. Wells, Yost, Duggan and Heinberg (off the top of my head) all started as TV writers too.

Meanwhile, your comic writers that started as novelists are people like Cain and Brad Meltzer who fucking suck.
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>>87324914
>Marvel decides it needs to be announced as a diversity comic
The writer decided that he pitched that to them.
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>>87325029

>M-Day happened because Quesada hated that "he's a mutant"

Didn't he later said m-day was a bad idea since they can't shoehorn social commentary quite as easily anymore?
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>>87325191

TNC and Tom King are pretty good.
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>>87325110
Yes, I'm aware and it's a pretty entertaining Heist comic. But it was made available as an exclusive at Barnes & Noble. Why do that? Why not have it on Marvel's own site or send it out to a bunch of other sites like CBR and IGN as well? Do what you can to get the most amount of eyes on it, not make it available only in one retailer that's the head of a dying business type (bookstores are dying out and B&N has had falling sales).
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>>87325029
The only reason the Inhumans got any stigma on them is because Xfags are convinced that supporting a book that has even one Inhuman character will directly kill the x-men but that is entirely marvel's fault. The Inhuman push arguably bigger during Inhumanity than it is now and it didn't get a bunch of push back like today.
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>>87325257
The big issue though comes from that all the new wave of inhuman comics directly copied X-men and basically worked to replace them until the backlash made them realize they fucked up but it was too late to back down now.
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>>87325220
>Tom King
Personally I find Vision to be kind of overrated (though not terrible). I gave up Batman really quick due to how shitty the entire Gotham/Gotham Girl shit was and his desire to make Gotham Girl one of the main focuses of his run.
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>>87325257
>The Inhuman push arguably bigger during Inhumanity than it is now and it didn't get a bunch of push back like today.
Not really in 2016 they had
>two inhumans team books
>At the center of the two major events
>3 solo ongoings
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>>87325110

and? that's not enough for a buzz. That's awful promotion. That's only for the people who reads that particular issue. You would think Marvel would have the basics of shilling down.
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What's Mosaic do besides be a black guy?
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>>87325319
>directly copied X-men
how so?

>>87325330
The Inhumans haven't much in CW2 besides be a plot device. Inhumanity almost line wide added an Inhuman to most the teams running around at the time, it only ended early because of the fraction thing fell apart. Ms.Marvel is debatable when it comes to being an Inhuman book. It is a new volume in a series of books that are a separate property then the Inhumans. It would be like if Miles was revealed to be a mutant, his book would still be a spidey book rather than and X-book.
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>>87324830
$5 is not really inviting. You could try and demand that from chracters that had established fanbase already not unknown character with a writer who is new to comics.

it's as if Marvel doesn't want it to sell.
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>>87325417
Being everybody
>>87325462
They tried to pull that 40 pages stuff, but as you said that wont fly for a new guy.
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>>87325444
A lot of the covers and plots in inhumans recently were basically old X-men arcs. When you do one it's an issue when you do two it becomes obvious what you want to do.
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>>87325191
Yes because screenplay writing and storyboarding are a lot similar to comics. Unlike novels where it's just a wall of text pages after pages.
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>>87325417
steal bodies
play basketball

I am not joking
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>>87325546
>steal
>play basketball
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>>87325540
Day [Ext] Long shot
We see a city waking up from slumber...

fuck I forgot the format. But yes, it would be really hard for a TV writer to shift to comics. It's both writing to be translated by a visual medium. So instead of a DOP with a camera, you get an artist with a pen.
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>>87325417
His power is that he doesn't have to be black.
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>>87325534
The only one that was similar was opening scene in All new Inhumans.
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>>87324830
HOLY ShIt! 5$?! Are they serious?
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>>87325417
Be a cocky cunt who thinks he's better than everyone, then gets hit with magic mist and 2 weeks later flies screaming out of a cocoon, looking like a monster, into another guy's body.
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>>87323145
Inhuman garbage
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>>87323642
Not one of those characters is a new character.

Hell, Solo is the only one that isn't forty years old.
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>>87325546
I mean the basketball works because the point is he's supposed to be the guy who has everything: fame, money, hot girl and the body of an Adonis who then loses it all thanks to his transformation. Making him an athlete and basketball player (who tend to be flashier/cooler than athletes from other sports) specifically is perfectly fine as far as getting that point across and after the first few pages it's not like he's a basketball player anymore anyway.
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>>87325115

Five dollars for a single issue of a comic? Fuck, I can buy a whole fucking book on Amazon for that. Maybe not a GREAT book, but one worth reading more than Marvel's dogshit.
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>>87324830
This happens to me all the time with new Marvel books now. I think "maybe I'll give it a shot," see that it's $5 and almost always put it back down.
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> Marvel tries to champion fight against racism
> new character is black
> /co/ shitting on him not because he's black but because he's Inhuman

Inhuman Lives Matter when?
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>>87323205
A half-assed new character is about as valuable as a piece of shit that sticks to the side of a toilet bowl.

If you really want to make your character stand on his own, don't make him a cookie cutter basketball player/Inhuman.
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>>87326091
Has it been storytimed? Also, even if was, I didn't catch it.

Any based anon out there want to ST?
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>>87325965
The point was none of those characters are Inhuman anon. The new comment in regards to non legacy characters failing.
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>>87326230
They should shill them the way Bendis shills Riri.

No, seriously, there was no proper promotion to create a hype. Also, FIVE DOLLARS.
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>>87326183
i'll do it
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>>87325191
Jodi Picault wrote a pretty awful Wonder Woman, too.
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>>87326183
see >>87326494
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>>87326509
nevermind I found it in the archive http://desuarchive.org/co/thread/86913114/#86913114
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>>87325657
>it would be really hard for a TV writer to shift to comics.
It's really not that big of a jump. Instead of camera jargon, you're speaking directly to the artist.
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>>87323205
I feel that Mosaic was a no-win situation with current Marvel's tendency to boundless retardation.
-If Mosaic sells well:
>See? people love the Inhumans and diversity characters, we need moar inhumans and more minorities!
If Mosaic fails:
>See? people hate new heroes! we must keep making legacy characters, also comic book readers are racist! we are making more diverse characters to teach them a lesson! #woke
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>>87323476
Because it's actually good, you fuckwit.
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>>87323145
They did the same thing for Vision, mind you.
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>>87325154
This. Marvel is finished.
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>>87323205

>make something new that sucks
>people don't buy it
>start shitting on everything good you made before
>somehow everyone else's fault

You are literal AIDS.

Please die.
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>>87327959
The thing is that it didn't work for Vision.
Why would they try it again with Mosaic?

The worst part was when they published "Vision" #1 as a backup to an issue of "Amazing Spider-Man". What the fuck was that about?!
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>>87323205
So when new minority heroes fail it's okay to turn well established characters into niggers, ragheads and faggots? Where is the logic in that?
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>>87323145
Not that interested in Mosaic but
>"FUCK YOU MARVEL STOP CHANGING CHARACTERS AROUND JUST MAKE NEW MINORITY CHARACTERS"
>Marvel creates Mosaic
>Y'all still find a reason to shit on it
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>>87328106
>Where is the logic in that?
When you do the latter, it leads to increased sales. When you do the former, it leads to low sales. Marvel, being a business, will obviously do the one that makes them more money.
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>>87328108
The most prominent reason seems to be it's 5 bucks.
The rest of this thread is generic Inhumans jokes and the same bullshit you're spewing
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>>87328224
Yes, because making Alan Scott a faggot and replacing Ghost Rider with a Mexican car driver, etc, etc has turned out so well for comics. Wally West is back to prove "progress" wrong and make his nigger counterpart look like the joke that he is.
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>>87328383
There are more success stories of legacy race/gender swaps than of original minority characters.
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>>87328108
>shit writing
>shit art
>five bucks
Gee, I wonder why people hate it.
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>>87328314
I'm not talking about just this thread.
$5 is pretty bad though.
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>>87328383
Robbie Ghost Rider was good, especially since that fits the character
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>$5

you almost had me
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>>87328505
News Flash! One is greater than zero. In other news. Water is wet.
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>>87328383
A Falcon ongoing would have been cancelled by 6. Captain America: Sam Wilson has hit 16 issues and is still selling strong.

Prince of Power was cancelled at 4, whereas Totally Awesome Hulk is at 12 and still going strong.

Had Miles gone with a name other than "Spider-man," he would be selling significantly lower than he is now.

It goes on. A minority hero will sell higher under a legacy than they would with their own unique name.
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>>87323205
Just because I don't read comics about niggers and said nigger character's comic flops they'll in-turn turn one of my glorious white race heroes into a nigger?

So to keep my white heroes white I need to buy nigger comics just cuz?
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>>87323500
This tbqh. As soon as I saw he was a shithuman I stopped reading the press release.
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>>87328383
Read more comics.
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>>87329009
>>87328963
>>87328975
Samefags are hilarious.
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I read this online and I thought it was decent for a #1. I will not pay fucking $5 USD for a normal comic book ever though. Marvel Jewkikes can suck my dick.
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>>87328975
are you retarded?
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>>87330711
isn't that obvious?
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>SJW complains not enough diversity
lol make some you whiny faggot
>SJWs make a minority legacy character
REEEEE MAKE ORIGINAL MINORITY CHARACTERS
>SJW make original minority characters
REEE STOP MAKING MAKING MINORITY CHARACTERS

with /pol/blr There's no winning.
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>>87324830
>$5
5 dollars American? How long is this thing?
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>>87323211
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>>87325325
I was liking Vision until King brought Victor in and ruined and killed the character, even if the tragic atmosphere became tiresome.
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>>87331293
>le Runaways was good
K3K
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>>87331321
The first few volumes were good.
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>>87323555
There's only one kang around here pal.
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>>87329334
I think you mean sad.
I'm in agreement insofar as Marvel's insistence on everything pandering to every demographic is stupid, but this guy's pathetic.
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>>87331371
They got steadily worse with each new arc.
Whedon's run was fine, then it went completely to shit; Immonen's god-awful arc put all but the final nail in the coffin.
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>>87325191
>TV writers seem to have a hell of a better time transferring over to comics than novelists.

Because they're used to script writing
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>>87330998

It was $5 anon. That's the reason so many LCS under ordered it. Blame "racist" fans if you want, you're running from the actual issue. Marvel fucked this character right out of the gate
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>>87325154
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>>87333184

>Likes shit comic
>Family Guy reaction images

Checks out
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>>87324914
>marvel decides to charge $5 for an issue #1 with a literal nobody Inhuman
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I hope it fails just like the other inhumans books, kek
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>>87325110
Black basketball player steals a car? Wonderful promotion
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>>87332585
ayy lmao
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>>87327001
oh shit, I meant it wouldnt be. i missed the "nt"
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>>87323145
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>87333149
>Blame "racist" fans if you want
Marvel certainly will. I'm sure someone in the production line had the common sense to suggest that a new character should be priced cheaper so more people give them a chance and they were met with "How DARE you insinuate our BLACK character is worth less than the WHITE characters our audience FORCES us to print"

Or something.
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>>87323145
nobody cares about the Inhumans
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>>87336470
Kamala's cool.
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>>87336419
This lol. Marvel is finished.
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>>87336537
Kamala is barely connected to them and her sales ain't what they used to be anyway. I think her book was 96th most sold in September
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>>87336600
>I think her book was 96th most sold in September
Yikes. I had no idea.
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>>87323145
What's this about?
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why are there so many deleted posts? what happened here?
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>>87336760
It's a thread about a black character in a Marvel comic that was created after 1986. That should tell you all you need to know.
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>>87323145
Haha oh wow, Marvel is finished
>Marvel shills will defend this despite Rebith being literally ten billlion times better in every concievable way
KEK!
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>>87336834
Haha oh wow, cheesecake is finished
>Cheesecake eaters will defend this despite chocolate bars being literally ten billion times better in every conceivable way
KEK!
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>>87336600
Maybe they should put more stamps on racist buses.
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Writer should go rant in Twitter and blame racism. Claim harassment .
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>>87336600
90th, 27,278 sales.
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>>87323296
I thought it was cringy as fuck and trying as hard as duck m8
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>>87324914
>good comic
Lmao
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>>87324830
I told my LCS that this book would crash and burn with a price like that. Great concept, interesting story, but we flat-out aren't going to see a well-developed story because the price is going to turn so many people away and the book will suffer as a result.
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>>87338141
Exactly, they should start their shitty diversity books at $3 so they'll actually sell
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>>87336681
Beautiful black basketball player who was terrigen'd after a game, sent to a lab, and turned into the one who must possess living persons' bodies or his lifespan will be shorter.
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>>87323500
>>87323822
>>87324913
>>87324998
>>87325115
>>87326157
>>87328027
>>87328106
>>87329009

What was deleted?
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>>87337365
Oh, wow. Is CW2 to blame? duh
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>>87337365
The best thing is that Kamala still sells better than Carol
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>>87338531
The better thing is that Kamala has a better book.
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>>87338512
It is, actually. Multiple reports of people getting turned off the book by the CW2 label.
When was last time an event was actively poisonous to sales?
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>>87338622
Convergence.
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>>87338512
>CW2
How come even Millar's terrible ideas are somehow even worse under Bendis?
Original CW is shit, but compared to this it's a literary masterpiece.
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RIP Marvel I just wish hope Disney sells that shit to Warner so we can maybe have Old Marvel again.
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>>87336834
this meme again
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Got some leaked art of a new Marvel project.
They were suposed to show on the panel.
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>>87339080
wew lewd
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>>87336600
Kamala is the Deadpool of the Inhumans. Deadpool is still counted as an X book despite barely interacting with them at this point.
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>>87339132
>Kamemela
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>>87324830
this, whoever at Marvel thought it was a great idea to sell the fucking 1st issues of your new books at $5 is fucking stupid
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>>87339164
Would eat that.
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>>87338579
There's nothing good about selling so low, especially when said character is pushed as the next best thing since Spider-Man.
Marvel should cancel, apologize and commit sudoku.

>>87338290
>Beautiful black basketball player who was terrig----
Stopped reading right there.
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So Marvel has no:
1. Editors
2. Competent Marketing Team
3. Clear cutout direction
4. Professionalism

Is this a startup company?
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>>87339789
>commit sudoku.
Marvel: O...okay
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>>87338531
Pathetic.
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>>87339804
Either that or start paying its staff with IOU's.
Way their sales keep dropping, it won't be long.
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>>87338531
doesn't sell as much as the Reed run though
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>>87339804
more like
>Marvel: no way that'd be cultural appropriation
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>>87339789
>There's nothing good about selling so low, especially when said character is pushed as the next best thing since Spider-Man.
I had some fever dream where Kamala was advertised as new Spider-Man for new generations.
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>>87339833
Disney firing people would be more likely, if they care about Marvel except as a series of IPs.
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>>87340071
>Disney firing people would be more likely
Yes, fire them! That would be the first time ever, I'd support Disney in something.
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>>87340046
>>87339789
Wouldn't Kamala be more similar to Kitty Pryde than Spider-man?
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>>87340128
Kamala sells, unlike Pryde. And
>comparing your new character with mutant
>in 2009+7
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>>87340159
>Kamala sells
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Not in Earth-1218, it doesn't!
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>>87340128
> Kitty Pryde
> Rogue
> Jubilee
> Pixie
> Kamala Khan?

What is this Inhuman consiparacy
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>>87338387
seconding.
From the replies, sounds like a Marvel shill accusing the the fans for the actions of Marvel.
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>>87323145
At least there's pretty lights.
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>>87340519
Use the archive, Niggeria.
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>>87325417
>What's Mosaic do besides be a black guy?
they should've use Stan lees version and make her black.
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Is $5 a bad price for a comic book? I don't buy books so I wouldn't know. Doesn't seem like a lot.
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>>87341176
To give you perspective, filthy newfagging normie DC sells their shit at $2.99
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>>87341213
Sorry familia I'm just here for the cartoons. Seems like a better idea to sell a longer story for $15.99 or something though. Then it feels like you're getting a real book and not a magazine insert.
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>Marvel praying to LCS.png
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>>87323145
>Marvel actually thinks this will beat Rebirth
As if we needed any more proof that Marvel is Finished.
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>>87340277
>> Pixie

The fuck are you talking about. The whole Academy X students were the generation representatives. Standouts being the two major teams.
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>>87340519
>>87338387

https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/87323145/
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>>87342628
Then why was pixie the only one from academy x to get a mini :^)
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>>87342727
Doesn't mean she became Jubes and Kitty because of that mini. Hell, Laura's more successful than her.
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>>87323205
why was this post deleted?
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I really didn't like it. At all.
If you want to make a new character, just don't make him generic as fuck, don't tap in every stereotype and shit, and please god, don't fuck continuity in the first fucking issue.

Nobody in that shitty match knew the Terrigen Mist was going to hit. Like the Inhumans don't help every city the Mist touches.

Then he gets the powers but his standard personality than fails, and get totally erased. Great character developement when you go from standard to nothing at all!

Great job Marvel. I wanted to like it.
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>>87342785
Anon became the truest faggot
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From this thread we can deduce two things.
1) Putting a new character book at $5 is a really bad idea
2)Kamala is best girl
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What did I miss? Does Marvel want me to check my privilege again?
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Marvel still makes comics?
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>>87343368
Gwenpool > Krapmala
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>>87342842
>2)Kamala is best girl

Best ShIthuman
fixed
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>>87343413
Yes, as an IP farm for other forms of media and usually as a political mouthpiece.
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>>87343419
>>87343368
shit
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>>87343400
People kept bitching about how Marvel kept replacing white heroes with minority legacies instead of just making new minority characters. In response, Marvel decided to make a new black hero called Mosaic.

His book bombed, so Marvel is giving away issue #2 to retailers for free in hopes that that'll get more people's attention and it doesn't get cancelled immediately.
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>>87343431
Damn it, I was coming into this thread to basically make these exact two points. Marvel's comics really are half IP farm, half virtue signal at this point. They really don't give two shits if they make a profit or not. It's like a pumpkin: they'll scoop out all the white guys inside to give us movies (because money is more important than progressiveness), and save the hollow shell to prop up minorities nobody actually care about because it looks good to the media and quirky people on the internet (and it's not like comic books make money anyways).
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>>87343951
Well, FUCK. I'm out. Done. I thought I can hold on for the hopes of a renaissance.
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>>87332585
>never heard of the Kang Council
Oh you casual.
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>>87341052
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>>87344215
>/tg/_at_his_computer
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It had potential but I guess it won't be able to maneuver the right way with how it's going.
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>>87342757
>Hell, Laura's more successful than her.
Do you really want to compare Laura's push to Megan's?
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>>87345169
To be fair, Laura >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Megan
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>>87323145
RIP Marvel
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at what point are they gonna stop this 5 dollar book shit
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>>87343951
This. Marvel is Finished.
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>>87346974
Thank you. I'm quite intrigued but I would not hand over $5 for something I have no idea of.
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>>87347319
No problem.
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>>87347013
> Oh let's start the book with a cliche
that in itself is a cliche
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what's the msrp for issue 2? it's totally 4 bucks isn't it?

marvel cmon!
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>>87347562
It's a standard sized issue so yeah, $4.
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>>87347261
And I'm out.
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>>87347261
I like the art.
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>>87324830
>tfw I can buy an entire manga volume with decent quality for less money in my country
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>>87347261
They're laying the "He's a dick" thing on a little thick. I've seen arrogant Basketball players, and they usually at least make an attempt to seem like they appreciate their teammates, or at the very least, don't openly dis them on camera.
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>>87347195
>>87347483
Shit, the art is actually cool. A little cooler and it would be exactly what I want from an action comic featuring black characters: Stylistic, impactful and dynamic.
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>>87343416
Both are shit.
You don't compare which shit is better.
Shit is shit.
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>>87343719
So here's the thing:

SJWs demand representation because they say minorities need representation in comics, because white heroes aren't for them.

So they lobby for white heroes to be replaced by minority heroes. White people don't like their heroes being replaced by characters they don't care about, so they tell the minorities to create their own new characters instead if appropriating and erasing white characters.

However, when those new characters are made, why would white readers be obligated to buy them? If minority readers can't read white heroes, then white readers should not be obligated to read minority ones. They are, to quote a commonly used Social Justice phrase, "not for us."

And if these things that are "not for us" fail, like Mosaic and Ghostbusters... Well, then doesn't that suggest something about the market?
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>>87347319
You were so intrigued you didn't bother to go to Win-o'? Fuck off.
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>>87343416
Fuck you, Kamala a best.
But Gwenpool is written by one of my favorite comicbook writers, dammit.
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>>87347820
Well, I don't like it.
I don't like either how they draw the figures or how they color them.
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>>87347839
That's how it goes.
SJWs demand classics replaced, raceswapped, etc. etc.
Traditional readers complain: Leave our favorites alone!
SJWs ridicule traditional readers: Manbabies, insecure, racists, Trump voters etc. etc.
Traditional readers alienated, stop buying comics.
SJW's don't buy comics anyway (or they might as a sort of political statement - see Mockingbird. But that's very rare)
Comic sales drop. Series canelled.
Traditional readers get blamed for not buying them because they're not openminded enough: Insecure manbabies didn't buy the new comic when Hero Man was into Hero Woman or Super White was turned into Super Black.
Why should we buy it? It's no longer marketed to us anyway.
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>>87347839
>Well, then doesn't that suggest something about the market?
I say it says more about the failings in marketing. When you try to appeal to these SJW who don't buy shit you can only go so wrong, because you allienate the fans who actually buy stuff. When you introduce minorities and then actually write them well and interesting they will be loved, regardless of their success. Kamala was a strike of luck because the marketing, as shit as it was, was effective and the character has multiple appeal: She's cute, she's muslim, she's well written. Then you have Jaime Reyes who didn't sell for shit, but is a beloved character now in its own niche. Then you get Miles, who is only loved because he's the black Spider-man but his stories tend to be shit because he keeps being pushed into events, even though he had potential but it's never used.
Write good comics, promote good comics. You want them to be about a black kid or a latino kid? Cool, but give us a good concept for the character to pick our actual interest instead of just seeing them as "the black one"
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>>87347954
>or how they color them.
I think the color is pretty mediocre but the art is fine.
Some faces can improve but it shows good sense of style overall.
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>>87348123
Here >>87347972 look at how this guy's foot is drown. It's like he's wearing swim fins.
I don't like this abstract loose way to draw figures.
I find it half-assed and boring, like the artist said 'ah well fuck it, I'm done trying to draw him so let's leave it at that and call it artistic impression'
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>>87348258
Nah, it looks cool and stylistic
Notice how the rest of the art has this blocky style
Every single one of his muscles and fingers is drawn with straight lines. It fits perfectly with the aesthetics.
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>>87347922
>>87347972
>>87348027
>>87348179
>>87348233
>>87348283

interesting concept that's thrown out with horrible writing without any introduction in other flagship comics?

>>87323145
why can't they drop the O5? why is marvel putting out comics that compete with other comics? can anyone get me a rundown of the total number of comics each publisher is shelling out right now?
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Honestly the worst thing about this comic is the color palette. It needs more crazy colors for impact and emotion. The art needs it. It would help so much with the tone.
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>>87348339
t. Marvel shill
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>>87348430
Cry all you want, bitch. I won't mind.
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Prepare to be called racists after the book is cancelled, when Black Knight, Hyperion, and the other "white male" books, the author don't even get a word from Marvel, if it's a female book, or a black character book cancelled, the author makes a big deal out of it, gets hate because of how retarded it's acting, people get labeled as sexist/racist, and boom "comics fans such assholes".

I though the mini intro the character got a few months ago, and the first issue were pretty week, hope it gets better, but if it doesn't, and gets cancelled what I said above will most likely happen-
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>>87347972
>>87348027
>>87348233
>>87348381
>>87348508
The visual style they chose for his Inhuman form seems very Kirby-inspired. Like the original Inhumans or even the New Gods.
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>>87348549
Well... Call me racist and manbaby all they will.
My money stay in my wallet.
In the end, they need me more than I need them.
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>>87348611
Wavy? Who the fuck says wavy?
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>>87348430
even if they are a marvel shill, i thought it was a decent point.
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>>87347715
I mean, this is written by a guy that thinks two East teams can meet in the Finals. Or that the winning team only gets 5 rings.
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>>87347691
>>87347628
>That Asian assistant
Yeah okay this works.
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Well that was actually pretty good. Interesting concept, too.
It's a shame that Marvel only ever advertised this title like what, four months ago?
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Well, that was promising. Sigh, Marvel, sigh.
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>>87323145
It has a cool concept. Depending how the story goes it might end up popular in trades.

Also that Cover is misleading as fuck
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>>87348656
This spanish is bad. Fucking google translate.
>¡Beto! ¡Ángel! ¡Corran! ¡Vayanse ahora!
>¡Vayanse! ¡Estoy justo detrás de ustedes!
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>>87347820
Yeah, I hope they don't blame the creative team for this tanking. Randolph's art is great.
Thorne's on both this and Solo, though, so he's likely fucked.
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>>87349303
>Depending how the story goes it might end up popular in trades.
Really, Marvel should re-market their less popular titles when they come out in trade rather than letting them fade away.
Mosaic's a character with potential and I'd like to have him stick around, but I wouldn't wish the Inhumans books on him.
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>>87349381
>I hope they don't blame the creative team for this tanking
Why the fuck not? It's shit. The concept is good and it's only brought down to shit by the creative team.
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>>87349495
It's a better first issue than Kamala Khan had, and she was a huge success.
I'm wary of the writing going to shit, but the art is better than your average house style shit.
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>>87349362
>Beto! Angel! Run! Get out now!
>Get out! I'm right behind you!
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>>87349594
I didn't read Kamala because she seemed stupid as a concept but this is terrible written. Awful one ntoe charcetrization, cringy dialogue and 0 research.
>but the art is better than your average house style shit.
I'll take well drawn house style over this garbage any day.
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>>87323296
Agreed. It seems like it has the potential to be pretty good, it's a shame it's doing so poorly right out of the gate.
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>>87323642
>New characters that aren't attached to a well known name or getting mega pushed have failed for Marvel.

But no matter how much Marvel tries to say otherwise, nobody gives a fuck about the Inhumans. They AREN'T a well known name.
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>>87348867
I enjoyed this
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>>87349665
Yes, pretty much this. But the writer must have taken a very basic spanish class if we read his poor spanish in that page. I wish he could have asked to a nearby latino .
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>>87349798
I loved the Inhumans... Back when they were not being pushed so hard.
I found them exotic because they were rare. Now they lost that.
Worse yet, Inhumans were pushed so they would replace mutants, and that was bad. That made me hate them.

Come to think of it, I used to like a lot of characters that I now hate before they start being pushed in ways that I didn't like.
Like furthering political agendas, like feminism or replacing classics for better representation of minorities.

It's a pity that I don't wanna read any more further adventures of so many past favorite characters when their writers use them in such offensive to me, ways.
I honestly did like Bobbi when she was a West Coast Avenger or Carol when she was Ms. Marvel. Now I would rather them die and be forgotten.
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>>87349362
I'm more amused by the fact that they wrote that guy's dialogue in english with a "translated from russian" translator's note but went ahead with that pathetic spanish on the same page lel.
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>>87350390
They were pandering to those latinos or whatever the fuck they were, not the Russians.
Russians are bad guys, Clinton says so.
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>>87348867
honestly, that was a breather from cw2 shitfest
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This is sad. As Marvel fan this is really fucking sad.
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>>87352215
>being a Marvel fan
>2016
What possible excuse could you have when Rebirth is putting out some of the greatest comics from any publisher in decades? Even Marvel's best comic can't compete with Rebirth's worst.
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Did anyone read the new Vigilante? That was a really good debut for a black comic book character
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>>87352337
I haven't gotten to. How good was it?
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>>87352357
It's a Rebirth comic, anon. That's all you need to know to know that it's 10/10. But don't take my word for it, go buy a copy at your Local Comic Shop to find out for yourself.
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The art was good but not five dollars good.
Hated the main character and then once he got his powers it went into the generic chaotic "what do?!" panic.
This isn't worth the sticker price, much less times two.
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>>87352337
Felt rushed as fuck, but it was a lot better than Mosaic at least.
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>>87352357
really good. As someone who grew up in not the best neighborhood, I appreciate the dialogue not being corny, but felt real.
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>>87337365
To be fair, that's not much lower than she was in September 2015, 33.7k/50th place. DC is just beating everyone at the moment, they've got 39 of the top 50 comics.
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>>87347715
It's exagerated, but it's not completly out of the picture.

>>87352357
Only one issue. 6 pages of yung inhumany, a few pages of medical cocoon crisis, and a few of weird abstract quantum leaping into people's heads, and 7 pages of by the numbers ghetto crime story.

I like it enough that I will absolutely read the next issue.

It's not enough for me to dickslap pepole and threaten to sodomize their pets if they don't read it, like I'm willing to for other very good poorly known things.
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>>87352659
Same, overall it was a good issue.
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>>87352985
>but it's not completly out of the picture.
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>>87347261
welp, that's about all I can take
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>>87347483
>>87347922
>>87348477

>Gucci Coochie attacks Mosaic because Inhuman Freakout
>Mosaic gets to go on a wacky body surfing adventure to see to force of his powers
>Shows that he could if he wanted to, body snatch someone to get some T&A if he wanted.
>Opening crossover he used his powers just to steal Coulson's Flying Car.
>Trill & other Ebonics bullshit is expected

Knowing Brevoort and his "Shock Schlock Sells" routine I expect Mosaic to use his powers to possess someone and use their body to seduce someone into sex. If not then somehow his power makes him get body dysphoria for CURRENT YEAR. Funniest thing would be for him to possess Ms. Trill and throgh some contrived reason has sex with his father while in her body. Controversy all around when the "Was It Rape" clickbait occurs or the trans get involved too.

mfw I'm proven right.
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>>87347820
I've liked Randolph's art since way back when he was doing fill-ins for New Mutants(so this is like 12-13 years ago). IIRC he's done some work on Kirkman's Invincible spinoffs (he was supposed to do that aborted Sleepwalker book with Kirkman from like 2003 that only had one story published as part of Epic Anthology) and a lot of advertising work and character design work and stuff. He was the character designer for Wolverine and the X-Men.

Speaking of, he draws a pretty badass Sleepwalker. Good artist and if anything good comes out of this series getting the inevitable axe it's that I hope Marvel uses him on other, bigger stuff.
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