So how long till Marvel brings back Mockingbird?

I hope they do. I always get a kick out of seeing the drop off in sales from issue #1 to #2

>>87289584
>You mean we have to KEEP buying the comic?

>>87289554
>bestselling out of Marvel titles
Marvel sells like shit in TPB so even being top doesn't mean it actually sold very well.

>>87289629
> comics are rigged against people who don't buy them

so it can get cancelled again?

>>87289644
Not really. They sell the most trades at least to comic shops

>Runaways doing so well.

Yes. This is all right. This is "diversity" we want to read without being guilted or pressured to do so.

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>>87289554
>My Feminist Agenda

>>87289929
>They sell the most trades at least to comic shops

When you include book stores they're in 5th place. Image trades sell better than Marvel

>>87289554
Depends on if the sales for trades and digital stay consistent. Right now they're getting a boost because of the controversy. If it's consistent then I'd say it's possible they'll bring it back again next year.

>>87290177
Was just released on kindle.

>Mockingbird Vol 1 Amazon best-seller thread deleted

>>87293036

What's even the point getting the kindle version, couldn't you already get it from Comixology since you can merge accounts?

What happened with mockingbird? Did it suck?

>>87289554
Does anyone have a screengrab of what Nick Spencer said immediately after Cain's account was deleted? I can't find an older thread that had it and I think the posts were deleted.

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>>87289554
Truly the writer who keeps giving. Sure show'd them GamerGators what was what.

http://www.hitfix.com/harpy/harassment-of-marvels-mockingbird-author-gives-feminist-comic-sales-boost

>>87294612
>Author does a shit

>People criticise her book and her on twitter with some slight crude language

(Seriously I've seen people saying that because someone wrote '200% triggered' or because someone called the book reatrded then that constitutes harrassment.)

>Marvel is trying to spin this into buying the book meaning to defend a woman from only misogynists

>>87294747
I assume she slept with him before dropping him off that cliff, then let people think she was raped.

>>87294787
Ah well. It had a really good preview and I remember considering picking up the trade when it came out.

>>87294973
You are in for a boring ride.
I hope you don't care much about continuity.

biggest issue with her book is that it was boring and corgis are a stupid meme dog

>>87294973
The art is nice.

>>87289833
Yes please. Marvel needs to lose tons of money until they learn their lesson.

>>87294747
>literally only one guy
Luckily he reads good comics. Superman would be proud.

>>87294983
Nah I'm gonna pass. I trust your opinion. If marvel wants to pander to people who don't buy comics then so be it.

>>87294999
If the trade ends up selling so well then they won';t end up losing money, they'll make money.

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>>87294633
>Does anyone have a screengrab of what Nick Spencer said immediately after Cain's account was deleted?
I only bothered to save the bit where he, briefly, acknowledged reality; but here you go!

>>87289554
Oh hey look at that runaways is no.2 on that list

You have your fucking answer right there op

>>87295014
He won't read Green Arrow until they bring back Connor Hawke. That guy's a loon.

>>87295029
Not gonna happen though. SJW bucks only go so far.

>>87295057
>a bunch of self proclaimed experts on comics sales thought he invented the term Wednesday Warrior

>>87294747
Thank KEK mockingbirds cancelled

>>87295029
Their main source of income is in floppies not trades. Floppy sales matter more.

>>87294999
they will not learn anything
Disney will keep them going

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>>87294787
>Marvel is trying to spin this into buying the book
Using controversy for short term gains is Marbles S.O.P. famalam.

>>87294989
>hating on corgis

Have you no joy in your soul?

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don't you see? These brave women are risking their LIVES making these wonderful comics

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>>87294973
Hope you like talking about the patriarchy and tampons, anon.

>>87295014
>Implying it was a false-flag or troll

>>87294747
Now they're pointing to an obvious - and mild - troll as the "harasser"?

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>>87295142
>talking about the patriarchy and tampons
You should have posted the bit where she was, you know, LITERALLY TALKING ABOUT TAMPONS! (nevermind: here ya go!)

>>87295014
Those fucking tweets scream of false-flagging. So most likely it was a femishit pretending to be a """"harasser"""".

I've been thinking about what would be done to fix the stupid parts of this comic. The only things I've come up with is that it was somehow impossible for women to get superpowers. Also thinking about it, that twist with the rape part feels like she really enjoyed Gone Girl and wanted to try to emulate it. The problem with that is Mockingbird is at least supposed to be a hero.

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>>87289554
Volume 2 is literally titled: "My Feminist Agenda"

https://www.amazon.com/Mockingbird-Vol-My-Feminist-Agenda/dp/1302901230/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1477655466&sr=1-1&keywords=mockingbird+feminist+agenda&linkCode=sl1&tag=richjohnston-20&linkId=702a76a379c7228b4ccf3a773958ac50

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>>87295111
>they will not learn anything
>Disney will keep them going
That's not going to help the poor bastards who run the LCS though, is it?

>>87295179
That's not talking about tampons. That's talking about people not talking about tampons.

>>87295181
Nah he seems genuine to me. I've seen my fair share of false flags.

If it were a false flag, he wouldn't have been so nice about it.

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>>87295221
Everyday until you like it.

>>87295247
It's so dumb. Why can't a comics shop just choose which products they want to shelf? I think that would be way better. Ignore all the bad stuff, add in the good stuff.

>>87295161
That happens way more often this day and age, exially on twitter and other social media. Gives people a reason to claim dem victim points which for all intents and purposes are currency now.

I argued that the shit oblivious wasn't harassment on a marvel subreddit on plebbit, but it is apparently filled with over sensitive faggots. These are the peole Marvel uses the tactic on to buy the book, gives them a warm feeling in their tummy when they think they defend women against misogynists.

>>87294747
>Yehudi Mercado
Jewish given name and Hispanic family name. Fucking progressive, woman.

FRANK CHO VARIANT WHEN
I WANT A CHO VARIANT WITH KEKINGBIRD INSTEAD OF SPIDER-GWEN

>>87295281
Lol.

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>>87295281
Yeah, who the fuck needs proof?

>>87295266
Dude, on the threads about the subject plenty of People false flag on this way. These want to make the opposition look patethic, not menacing.

>>87295277
I'm the one who came up with this idea and requested it to be made. Thank you to whoever created it.

>>87295281
Not sure if ironic or not

>>87295287
Google "Sepharadi"

>>87295179
>Bullshit pretentious society is fucked man attitude
>literally wearing a shirt that says girl power

anyone who can look at this and not roll their eyes at just how lame it is I know for sure is dumber than me.

>>87295309
I haven't read much Sebela, but so far he doesn't seem to be a sjw.

>>87295314
>Sepharadi
Jews who were expelled from Spain in the 15th century, if I remember my History lessons correctly?

>>87295181
He is completely genuine in every single one of his ridiculous beliefs.

>>87295141
>Risking their safety

This is the mindset of a person that has never truly faced a struggle in their life.

>>87295247
yeah, the storeowners may probably drop them

>>87295247
Is he /our/ guy?

>>87295338
It's doubly ironic when you consider how militant sjws get whenever someone pisses them off.

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>>87295279
>Why can't a comics shop just choose which products they want to shelf?
You have to order shit months beforehand (so you have to guess how well something will sell); second in the case of things like Marvel's zillion Variants you have to order multiples that you pretty much KNOW you wont be able to sell in order to get them and hope you make enough off of them to offset the damage.

>>87295381
SJWaid outright told a guy to fuck off when the person calmly and politely asked to see some of the harrasment.

>>87295400
Screen shots?

>>87295400
Christina Sommers seems to be aware of this whole debacle. I'd love to see her smack some shits like Waid who try to talk down to her.

>>87295400
>>87295281

>>87295141
I'm 22 years old and I don't know where we all went wrong. I now understand they people bitching about their generation being shit.

>>87295413
Look at his stupid tweets.

>>87295279
>Why can't a comics shop just choose which products they want to shelf?
Because comic shops can't rally afford to be picky. Comics are already an incredibly niche market. If you make buying options limited, you're decreasing the total amount of possible buyers for your wares.

>>87295419
>some shits like Waid who try to talk down to her
I think the technical term is "patronize" although SJWs seem to like the sexist "mansplaining" without seeing the obvious irony.

>>87292432
Those Walking Dead sales.

>>87289584
Same here. If they brought that trainwreck back I'd hope for a +90% dropoff.

>>87295419
Is she the feminist version of a coon?

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>>87295259
Ah, anon, but people ARE talking about tampons and Mockingbird is happy about it.

Anyone have the cap of the LCS owner who only sold a single copy of issue #8?

>>87295141
>risk their safety to make comics better
I've never seen this level of delusion before.

>>87295482
That's one copy too many.

>>87295281
My fucking god, these retards.

This is 'Listen and Believe' shit from Anita. God this is fucking GG all over again, if only in lesser degree.

>>87295476
>collects microscopes and knives
For what purpose?

>>87295509
But this time Marvel is already paying the price. Their feminist shilling killed their comic sales and if they want to continue down that path then let them. And from their ashes we will build a new empire...

>>87289554
>$16 for a murder that can't remember any female heroes and loves corgis

No thank you

>>87295381
The PC police got a dude who helped land a rocket on moving comet to break down crying and crawling on camera because he wore a shirt.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/13/7213819/your-bowling-shirt-is-holding-back-progress

>>87295521
It's quirky xD

>>87295528
But they're getting a big boost in something that obviously wouldn't have sold had this "controversy" not happened.
Their feminist pandering doesn't hurt them really and gets them all sorts of retarded brownie points.
Only recently did DC begin working them over

>>87295432
>I don't know where we all went wrong.
Gen-X'er checking in: you didn't. We had fuckwits in my generation too. What you're dealing with that no one else ever had to deal with is the internet and the pervasiveness of Social Media that is literally DESIGNED to not only allow but encourage people to form echo chambers.

http://www.gocomics.com/bloomcounty/1985/05/23

>>87295557
>But they're getting a big boost in something that obviously wouldn't have sold had this "controversy" not happened.
Nah. It's just gonna be an even bigger joke when the second trade flops completely.

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Reminder that this was the chick that was ecstatic that she smuggled the word 'tampon' subtly into the third issue. I knew somewhere along the path the failure would be blamed on the male audience.

>>87294747
That's a literal fucking troll he's using as fodder for his comic

It's funny how roles have reversed in the these people.
>Make a valid point/argument for your opinion
>Lolololol look at the loser manbaby troll everyone
>Troll spouts the worst bait ever
>This is what the horrible fandom looks like everyone

>>87295543
>helped land a rocket on moving comet
Euh?

>>87295596
This shit is nothing new. Hippies were prevalent in the 60s and 70s, marxists in the 80s and these modern cry-babies are cut of the same cloth. The only difference the technology.

>>87295608
It was going to flop anyways and their second trade is already up there. This is the best thing that could've happened to that shit comic.
>>87295613
Poe's law there's really no telling what is and isn't ironic at this point.

>>87295622
Or some spacecraft... probe, perhaps? I don't know the specific term for it.

>>87295660
Oh, I got it; that probe that landed on a comet, I remember.

Well, a nerd isn't exactly an alpha male so it makes sense that he shat his pants in front of the police.

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Whelp.

>>87295609
>would be blamed on the male audience.

Which is funny considering it was mostly women who complained about the retcon.

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>>87289554
>Tfw this entire thread

>>87295677
http://archive.is/NRjuG

Forgot the link.

>>87295622
shirtstorm/shirtgate

>>87295677
Translation: I wrote a shitty comic and people on twitter informed me I wrote a shitty comic so I screamed "RAPE!" and ran away.

>>87295677
I guess she included that dyke look in her resume?

>>87295712
No, not even. She took Tyler's advice and then everyone acted like she was chased from her home. Even SHE didn't think she was harassed.

>>87295557
>they're getting a big boost in something that obviously wouldn't have sold had this "controversy" not happened
That boost if for a comic's trade, anon. That comic was ALREADY CANCELED DUE TO LOW SALES.

So while it's getting some dosh on the back side the damage was already done.

Also:
>>87295247
This.

While you might get some people (who clearly didn't give a shit about comics or they'd have been buying the floppies and it wouldn't have gotten axed 8 issues in) to "show solidarity" and drop a few bucks on this particular trade ... that's not going to translate into FUTURE SALES.

The vast majority of these twitter twats DON'T READ COMICS!

I mean, in all seriousness, go read some of Nick Spencer's twitter and then understand how bad things have to be for someone like him to post something like this:
>>87295057


And the few that do are already reading Hellcat

>>87295413
fuck off

Serious question: Are there ANY female comic writers who don't fill their comics with feminist/SJW faggotry OR their twitters?

>>87295741
Yea, after making a big stink and leading others to believe she was getting harassed.

>>87295677
So even she says it's not harassment and confirms it's just Marvel following the narrative. Whelp indeed.

>>87295677
All this shit over 8 people?

Bendis probably gets more shit than that before breakfast.

>>87295758
Amanda Conner
Corinna Bechko
Ann Nocenti
Louise Simonson

>>87295071

I saw some of /co/ thinking that too, before you get up on that high horse

>>87295758
When talking about Marvel are there even any men that doesn't do that?

>>87295677
>>87295692
She literally just did what it says in the Tyler the Creator post. I ain't even mad.

>>87294612
Yes, it sucked. It had some nice storytelling trick attempts, but it tried too hard, made every male seem like a retarded whiny juvenile fuckup, portrayed the main character as absolutely obnoxious and retconned them from being a rape survivor who retakes control of her life into a sociopathic smug bitch who cheated on her husband and then murdered her lover and watched him die, apparently for no reason, and then lied about having been raped by him.

She also blamed the fall of her marriage on the lover she killed, and not on, oh, her own secrecy, lies and adultery.

Also in the last issue they shat massively all over comics fans by parodying a convention and portraying all "nerds" as utter delusional morons (girls in cosplay honestly thinking holding out your hands and shouting "photon blast! photon blast!" is a viable battle tactic). Real clever, ridiculing your core customer base.

>>87295745
>who clearly didn't give a shit about comics or they'd have been buying the floppies
What the fuck kind of logic is that, you chuckle fuck?

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>>87295741
Though she does kind of flip-flop on whether it was harassment near the end, partularly the "base sexism" comment. Though the fact that she only blocked 8 people seems suspicious of what they were blocked for since one of the people she blocked was giving legit criticism: https://web.archive.org/web/20161028142411/http://wiseloudowl.tumblr.com/tagged/Chelsea-Cain

>>87295338
But anon, someone might tell them their work sucks, which is traumatising and hurts their self-image as a creator

>>87295835
>portraying all "nerds" as utter delusional morons
HOW DARE SHE

>>87289554
Like a damn fiddle.

>>87295857
Imagine if this writer was a man who stuffed this book full of MRA politics and how absolutely ridiculed he would be (and rightfully so) if the same scenario played out exactly the same way.

>>87295712

Thing is, she didnt even scream "RAPE!", thats what media made up afterwards.

>>87295741
I remember her making a stir about comic book fans harassing her and her standing by that comment when Bendis say otherwise.

>>87295476
This is her smiling for successfully rescuing 4 girls while the angsty superpowered teen girl flippantly murdered at least 3 persons on the scene. But they were men; media journalists and police officers, so who gives a shit, right? Great success!

No I'm serious, the death of those men just trying to do their jobs wasn't addressed at all in any way.

>>87295863
>delusional moron calling others delusional morons
Oh yes, she was clearly being clever.

>>87289554
Where did Marvel go so wrong, /co/? It feels like this shit started happening slowly in 2011 and then evolved to what we see today.

>>87295853
What are you on about?

>>87295677
>over 40 years old
>magenta hair
Wew.

>>87295922
Clever enough to realize we nerds are pathetic, yes.

>>87295933
I care about comics, but I didn't buy her shitty floppies.

>>87295926
The MCU happened.

>>87295863
>Shit on audience

>Suprised the audience shits right back

Why I never!

>>87295946
But not clever enough to see she's just as pathethic.

>>87295432
>>87295596
A news article put it best, I think: it's the result of the West's obsession with wellness during the past decades plus the continuous feedback of bad news and outrage that the Internet enables.

Look up "Where microaggressions really come from" on Righteous Mind. It sheds light on how SJWs think.

>>87295891
More like her fellow comic book writers had lached on to a narrative and kept pushing it in order to cirtue signal.

>>87295969
I hate to be the devil's lawyer here, but at least she managed to make money off her nerdism.

>>87295622
The successful landing of the Philae probe on the moving comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko, ten years after launching and leaving Earth, is a great success for ESA, the European Space Agency. The Rosetta project and landing is the first ever nondestructive landing on a comet nucleus.

Anyhow one of the scientists on the project got under fire for wearing a shirt with pin-up models while being interviewed about the project.

>>87296000
>one of the scientists on the project got under fire for wearing a shirt with pin-up models
OK, now that sucks.

>>87295898
>Feminist comic

>Overlooking men

Do people honestly still believe that the movement is for both men and women?

>>87296014
Right? How dare he rape women with his shirt.

>>87295926
>Where did Marvel go so wrong, /co/?
The same place Uncle Guggie did, anon:

>>87295247

>>87296000
Said shirt was also made by a female friend of his, and he wore it as a shout-out to her and all her support.

>>87295863
Well yes, when you're writing a comic you hope people buy, labeling every person who loves comics so much they'd attend a convention as actually of impaired intelligence and unable to tell fiction from reality is a shit move.

Same as a movie screenwriter writing a plot where every person who loves movies, likes going to the movies, and goes to movie festivals is a (wo)manchild unable to grasp that the storylines aren't true. All of them.

It's stupid and a bad move in many ways

>>87289554

like never, marvel is not making money with paperback.

>>87295996
I mean, she didn't get any money from me.

>>87295996
Any schmoe can make money off somebody else. The real trick is getting away with it so you can continue doing it indefinitely.

>>87296027
Someday twitter will have a new boss, who decides that his company shouldn't be accomplice in Internet crimes.

>>87296040
>labeling every person who loves comics so much they'd attend a convention as actually of impaired intelligence and unable to tell fiction from reality is a shit move.
And yet I see that in many comics. Lobo Convention Special, some GI Joe book, Palmiotti's Con Job etc.

We're not entitled to being adored by creators, anon. Deal with it.

>>87296091
>>87296079
Dave Sim was right

>>87296079
>>87296091
>>87296105
/pol/ pls

>>87296102

Theres a difference between laughing with your customers and laughing at your customers.

>>87296102
>We're not entitled to being adored by creators, anon. Deal with it.
Nice straw man.

>>87296019
I think the movement or idea itself is, but it's just poisoned by hordes of bitches who waste their energy in retarded shit. As a feminist it pisses me off. There would be actual gender inequality in the society to tackle, some of it actually discriminating against men (custody fights, for example) based on viewing women as frail and motherly and whatnot, but huge chunks of the feminist movement and the rhetoric seem to have sank onto some weird plane of reality where people who are supposedly grown adults need safe space rooms with goddamn play-doh and puppy videos to shield them from unpleasant discussion, and this is considered good and normal.

>>87296129
>laughing with your customers
Are you sure the customers laugh? Like, ever? Because it only takes some visits to comic book sites to conclude that comic fans are always angry about something.

>>87289554
>mfw i am a marvel drone at heart, but all this recent SJW bullshit is leaning me towards DC more and more

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>>87296197
Welcome, anon.

>>87296166
You should read Who Stole Feminism? by Christina Hoff Sommers. The retards in feminism have reached critical mass and is turning it down the wrong direction.

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>>87294747
Someone, edit the pic so the guy is she is dangling is the Phantom Rider.

>>87296219
I don't know what's sadder, this or Ghost Rider being dead and replaced by an sjw version.

>>87296197
That's how I feel of the left towards the right. I swear 5 years ago these retards weren't so powerful and fringe was at least constained.

>>87296166
I'm sorry but women are frail and weak. that's just biology. But I do agree a mom winning the defacto custody battle because she's frail and weak is a terrible way to do things. I've seen cases where the mother is actually addicted to crack and still wins custody.

>>87296102
>entitled to being adored
Nice strawman projection you got going on there.
I do deal with it.

I don't spend my time with people who ridicule me irl, and I definitely don't give them my money. Same in entertainment. I won't spend my time on money on people who make fun of me and try to reduce me to a stereotype because of my interests - this is having basic self-respect. I'm sure you wouldn't expect poc to happily support and throw money at a cartoon consistently portraying all black people as racist stereotypes almost too dumb to function who everyone "normal" should laugh at?

I don't need to be "adored", I don't need to be included or presented in the storylines at all - I just don't want to be specifically ridiculed or bullied because my hobbies aren't cool enough for someone.

>>87296260
>I've seen cases where the mother is actually addicted to crack and still wins custody.
Yours?

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>>87294989
>corgis are a stupid meme dog
stop right there,you faggot.

>>87296265
>I do deal with it.
No you don't.
>I won't spend my time on money on people who make fun of me and try to reduce me to a stereotype because of my interests
> I just don't want to be specifically ridiculed or bullied because my hobbies aren't cool enough for someone.
Thin-skinned, are we princess?

>>87296269
Nah my mother was just a whore. cheated on dad with her college professor to get ahead. and yes. she did still win custody.

>>87296269
Why must you remind me, Anon?

>>87296292
The way they were shoved into random parts of Mockingbird with no rhyme or reason certainly felt forced though.

>>87296305
In that case, opinion discarded.

>>87296305
How do you know his is your 'dad' then? Perhaps the professor is your true dad.

>>87296260
Yeah, I wasn't trying to argue that women are just the same as men - but that the mindset of all women always being nurturing maternal emotional and delicate beings is harmful, because it also keeps women back in the workplace, harms men in custody fights, and also sometimes has kids ending up with the worse parent because they're the MOTHER, even if they're a horrible irresponsible abusive addict. There are always exceptions and people should be evaluated individually, not based on gender stereotypes. A lot of women may indeed be more frail and nurturing than a lot of men, but not all.

>>87296305
Your dad learned a valuable lesson that day: Don't trust women OR the government.

>>87296237
>this or Ghost Rider being dead and replaced by an sjw version.

Johnny and Danny are both alive and well friendo.

>>87296340
Eh. the appearance is too uncanny. I often just assume she's just not my mother.

>>87296353
>Johnny and Danny are both alive and well friendo.
Book or gtfo.

>>87296352
and learn it well he has. never been married since.

>>87296352
>>87296365
Does this mean Libertarians are virgins?

>>87296362
Besides Secret Wars Ghost Riders, Danny last appeared in Superior Spider-man giving tips on how to beat up Blackout and Johnny was last seen in Robbies Ghost Rider book at the very end. They haven't died, just sidelined for now.

>>87295395
Companies should give comics owners a special preview so they can decide which are worth it. This is especially good for risky purchases.

>>87295438
It's a risk-reward thing though. If one comic shop decides a comic is going to suck and they were right, they just saved a ton of money. If they're wrong, then they lose out on that money. Keeping people in the dark is a cheap strategy that really harms the shops if the stories are consistently bad (current Marvel).

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>>87296395
Forgot my pic.

>>87296218
Thanks anon, I'll look into it. Seems like something relevant to my interests

>>87296401
A fate worse than death.

>>87296432
>implying you Republicunts can read
lol

>>87295750
Severely underrated post.

>>87296413
>Companies should give comics owners a special preview so they can decide which are worth it.
They'd be afraid of getting Scanbro'd I imagine.

And, at least in the case of recent Marvel, they clearly don't have much lead time built into their system. Look at all the delays (and the added issue) in both Civil War II AND Secret Wars.

>>87296298
Dude, if you enjoy spending time with people who treat you as a joke while wanting you to give them money while also mocking you for spending that money on them, you go on right ahead. You do you. I choose to spend my time and money in better company.

>>87296459
>spending time with people who treat you as a joke while wanting you to give them money while also mocking you for spending that money on them
I hear they have S+M clubs that specialize in this sorta thing. Just sayin'

>>87296459
>spending time with people
I didn't know reading a comic was exactly like meeting the creators in person? Maybe I'm not nerd enough to mistake fiction with reality?

>>87296459
>ha ha ha, tumblrinas are raging at this comic depicting that female character as a dumb bimbo! How stupid they are!
>hey wait a minute, they're also depicting us nerds as losers? REEEEEEEEE

>>87296515
Who are you quoting?

>>87295835
CORGIS CORGIS CORGIS. IS MY HUMOR RELEVANT YET?: the book.

>>87296524
Just reminding you that you're making the same mistake as tumblrinas, my oh-so-intellectual graphic novel reader.

>>87296432
Oh you should, though some feminists claim the author is a true feminist, but an MRA trying to co-opt the movement. Frankly with the schism in the movement I don't know what's a true feminists anymore.

Here's a older interview about the book, she has been going against what she has seen as bad in feminism for a long time, with the recent retardation she has gotten more support:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKve3kWgY9M

>>87296552
>1994
The days when republicunts were so cucked.

>>87296040
>Same as a movie screenwriter writing a plot where every person who loves movies, likes going to the movies, and goes to movie festivals is a (wo)manchild unable to grasp that the storylines aren't true. All of them.
What is post-Scream Wes Craven's and Joss Whedon's entire career

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>>87296539
Oh you're "that guy"

>>87296584
A shitlord, yeah.

>tumblr landwhales don't read comics
>/pol/tards don't read comics
Man...

>>87295677
This is absolutely revolting. JACK KIRBY got worse abuse by Jimmy Olsen fans for changing the character, and his stories were actually GOOD. Remember when people used to post fan letters in comics? Writers have always been getting criticism. Why does this idiot think she should be immune?

We need to compile a bunch of fan letters from previous comics and put them together to show just how wrong this idiot is.

>>87296659
>We need to compile a bunch of fan letters from previous comics and put them together to show just how wrong this idiot is.

I'm at work but I had a letters page of a guy writing into what I think was an Azrael Bats book and it was just him saying he'd love to fuck Poison Ivy and likes to rub it all over himself and the writer was just flabbergasted.

>>87295476
"Someone get me a glass of Chardonnay."

"And make me my damn sandwich."

>>87296539
You're projecting a strawman shadow puppet while putting words in their mouth, is what you're doing

>>87289554
Many years from now under a different writer, or never.

>>87296680
> projecting a strawman shadow puppet
Ah, nerdspeak. So funny but so unintelligible.

>>87295885
Give me my Dr. Psycho ongoing right now!

>>87296706
But anon, a DC book would be good.

>>87296734
Purple Man, then. I don't care. I want to write a terrible, offensive to SJWs comic and get paid for it.

>>87296706
At this point everything Dr Psycho says and does would be vindicated.

>>87295277
But I already like it

>>87295247
Why even bother buying them in the first place?
Fool me twice shame on me as they say, these retailers are digging their own graves.

>>87296743
Fund it.

>>87295609
>I just worked the word "tampon" into a comic book. Twice

This is literally the reason why nobody takes female comedy seriously
>lel tampons and vaginas, so funny XD

>>87295885
>MRA politics and how absolutely ridiculed he would be (and rightfully so)
Why? Those guys are at least trying to do something positive, if you look up what they actually do. Why should they have a bad name? When have the MRA people ever done anything as bad as the feminists?

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>>87296237
Johnny isn't dead he appears in ANGR and Robbie is as far from SJW you can be, dude entire motivation is getting enough money so he and his little brother can move away from cholo gangs controlled East LA.

>>87296828
>When have the MRA people ever done anything as bad as the feminists?

They were born with penises.

>>87296395
>jesus
>socialist

>>87295783
What about Gail Simone?

>>87296828
>>87296858
Don't you already have a safe space to post in? You know, that /pol/ board.

>>87296836
>wears black leather
>goes after gangbangers
Yeah, heterosexual as fuck.

>>87296868
Back to tumblr you retard. How are you any different from these people who don't post proof when asked for it?

>>87296863
The first, original tumblrina?

>>87296701
You're coming across incredibly butthurt and pathetic ITT dude. Have sex and get a clue.

>>87296823
So like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olysoaQYuh0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG5WV4Pr7SI

>>87295935
I know right? But we all know that she has no self awareness.

I bet her daughter can't even bare to look at her which is why she texts her from downstairs.

>>87296868
>only the people who I don't agree with shouldn't post here or discuss politic

What is /pol/ about saying:
>jesus
>socialist

?

>>87296915
/pol/ likes to think Jesus was an Aryan.

>>87296934
And what the hell this has to do with socialism or with what I said?

>>87296952
You're the genetically superior being here, /pol/. You tell me.
>saying "hell"
Tsk tsk. Jesus is watching, remember.

>>87296952
SJWs can't help but flail around like retards at their boogymen. Just ignore the tumblrina.

>>87296976
>boogeyman boogeyman

>>87296965
But they worship kek

>>87296999
trips confirm praise kek

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>>87296976
>there are only two kinds of people: we teabaggers and them, tumblrinas

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>>87296965
?

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>>87294989
It could have been a joke book in the vein of Byrne's She-Hulk, meaning that silly stuff happens to the sympathetic female protagonist facing D-list villains, some great out-of-continuity jokes are made in a canon book.
You can tell that was more or less the idea behind it, yet the jokes are sexist or boring or both. Admit it: If the corgis had shown up with Shulkie, it would've been cute. The way they are just pushed in there for no reason other than MEME DOG makes them boring.

>saved by mercorgis

>>87289644
the spike in sells is because of the supposed "harrassment" the author got in twitter, forcing her to QUIT TWITTER LIKE, FOREVER AND EVER.

>>87295609
>She says HER childhood heroes are male, not that all heroes were male

>Bobbi idolizes men she secretly hates
>She can't be like them because they are men
>Nevermind their female team mates.

So WHY wasn't Bobbi idolizing the female heroes? Who or what kept her from doing that?
I'd like for Cain to answer that question. I don't think society is to blame in that case, because forcefull modeling your tastes to what society finds acceptable has never been a healthy pastime.

>>87296677
That's pretty funny. How was that allowed in there?

>>87297331
>So WHY wasn't Bobbi idolizing the female heroes? Who or what kept her from doing that?
The patriarchy.

>>87296868
>>87296836
>wears black leather
>goes after gangbangers
>Yeah, heterosexual as fuck.

Remind me what the other Ghost Riders liked to wear? Reminder that a Biker was one of the "straight gay" stereotypes that made up the village people.

>>87297622
Yes, but that was much before the tumblr years.

>>87297622
Danny's was actually pretty stylish when he started. It just had a ton of spikes on it. Like a shit load.

>>87297691
Introduced today everyone would say he was compensating for something and deep in the closet, spikes or no spikes. The spikes only make it more likely.

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>>87297622
>judging a superhero sexuality based on his costume
That's how you get your country flooded by Namor!
Do you want to get your country flooded by Namor?

>>87297717
You're most likely right.

>>87297720
And after that he sics the mad titan and his cronies on you to fuck up what's still standing. No thanks.

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>>87297773
>fake rape accusation

>>87295677
You didn't capture how the hair on the page actually changes color.

>>87297792
It's so nice what that retcon did. So wonderfully ironic for her own agenda.

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>>87293036
Attention is attention. I ain't mad. I can't imagine it's selling a ton as old as it is and and how many ways you can buy it so I take that as this Mockingbird thing isn't selling a lot either.

Either way, Runaways did it first. And more than this but I can't find the other online.

>>87297894
First, before this anyway. Probably not first ever.

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>>87297331
The patriarchy is of course at fault for her own preferences.

>>87295142
This page is all wrong though.
Bobbi Morse shouldn't be that young and wearing a Spider-Man.
She should be around the same age as Peter Parker if not a little older.

>>87298059
>trash books
>meanwhile guys like Batman (or Reed Richards if you want Marvel) read top quality books
There's a reason why "female heroes" aren't treated seriously.

>>87297773
What is it about these things that make you fuckers sound like such insufferable, condescending faggots? Nobody here acts like we're perfect angels. Fucking tired of this shit where we get the blame when retards on social media dump on creators. And this shit with Cain is fucking mild compared to most other situations. Everyone rushing to support her blew everything out of proportion.

>>87297773
It's fuckers like you that give this board a bad rap

>>87298099

Peter was also a hero as a teenager.

>>87298188
Bullshit, he was a menace.

>>87298232
young hip cool spiderman > old busted bitter spiderman

>>87298188
She looks too young to even be a teenager in this one.
She should be older when Peter Parker made himself popular to have his ugly mug on t-shirts.
She should be at least at her late teens if not a young adult.

>>87298362
Shut up, Quesada.

>>87298379
Didn't Mockingbird team up with teen Spider-Man when she was already a hero and in her 20s-30s though? She should be several years older than him.

>>87298473
I must have missed that but it's very probable.
I was always under the impression that she was older than Spider-Man when she first appeared as Huntress.

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>>87297773
Yes yes very nice false flagging attempt anon, a bit too obvious but it's nice of you to try to learn the art of baiting

>>87295609
>it's unfair that women can't be heroes! we're just as good as the men! Women deserve to be recognised! Their issues, like tampons, are important!
>lol who gives a shit about all the female heroes not me the only ones worth admiring or noticing are the menz they're the only ones who get anything done
>and me, of course - I'm not like the other girls, in fact I'm one of the guys

Yes I can't imagine why anyone would dislike her

>>87299906
He got 4 (You)'s, he's doing good enough.

>>87295060
you mean a real life human bean

>>87298099
Everyone seems to have missed that Bobbi is repeatedly implied to be an unreliable narrator.

I hope Cyclops' eyes are because of that reason, and not a blatant mistake that the editors somehow missed.

>>87300839
Oh shit, I just realized that Cain's Mockingbird is cape comics equivalent of American Psycho.

>>87300839
>Bobbi is repeatedly implied to be an unreliable narrator.

I'd be more inclined to buy that if it didn't feel like the vast majority of these mistakes were caused by the writer's ignorance and that the story itself didn't seem to forget that Bobbi's supposed to be unreliable.

Hell, most of the people who I've seen said liked the book didn't seem to pick up on Bobbi being unreliable at all considering some of the fucked up shit she does like apparently drugging Clint without his knowledge during their years they were married are treated as just a quirk of hers.

>>87301004
Haha, yes. Makes me wonder if the mermaid corgies and implied threesome at the end are just her coming off of a drug hallucination.

>>87301006
>I'd be more inclined to buy that if it didn't feel like the vast majority of these mistakes were caused by the writer's ignorance

Cyclops would be the artist's fault.

>the story itself didn't seem to forget that Bobbi's supposed to be unreliable.

It did seem to disappear in the cruise ship arc.

>>87295471
Shes a 2nd wave feminist. Places logic ahead of emotion. Is 100% okay with verbally smacking around people who say stupid shit.

>>87295065
This. Marvel is finished.

>>87296014
Worst thing? The shirt was a hand-made gift to him from a female friend.

>>87295247
Literally who?

>>87294747
Did the artist seriously think that Mockingbird killing her ex to hide her cheating is a good thing that deserves to be referenced?

>>87289554
>comic sells so poorly it got axed on 8th issue
>suddenly harassment happens as it gets cancelled
>people buy said comic in solidarity
>"Take that trolls"

Isn't that more insulting to the writer than anything? People are literally saying "I never gave a shit about your work until I took pity on you".

>>87295521
She's a microbiologist slash secret-agent. I guess that's just what the writer thought microbiologists and secret-agents would be into.

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>>87295521
Well, since the book makes it clear she's a deranged sociopath, take a wild guess.

>>87295141
>threatening people w death and violence
[citation needed]

Seriously, the worst comments I've seen in those articles were "your book is crap" or "I don't like feminism". The writer herself said she got no death threats or rape threats, just lots of mean comments.

>>87295142
This is the page that infuriated me the most.

How could she know about Thor and Cyclops, and not know about Wasp and Marvel Girl? Y chromosome, my ass

>>87301335
No. Being a feminist means playing the victim card.

>>87297894
Didn't she try to lez out with her in that issue?

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>>87289554

>Runaways actually features a diverse cast of characters without feeling shoehorned
>Has a small but loyal fanbase who will eat their shit up
>Trades still on the top sellers list 13 years and like 4 reprints

and yet they get broken up,put in death game books and receive no actual real push from marvel whatsoever.

>>87295300
Damn, this is surprisingly fitting

>>87301412
They're supposedly going to make a Runaways show on Netflix, that could be cool.

>>87301412
Weren't they waiting on the original writer to return for years and years and now have given up on that happening?

>>87301411

Literally the very next page

>>87301439

I thought it was Hulu which is a shame because, well Hulu sucks

>>87301006
>apparently drugging Clint without his knowledge during their years they were married are treated as just a quirk of hers.
This is what got to me too. There's a lot of pretty serious shit that's utterly unacknowledged, she's just the best, always right, smartest, most sarcastic, most gorgeous character around, every issue without fail.

>>87295758
>OR their twitters
Who fucking cares about twitter? Just stop using twitter.

>>87295112
im so glad that finally readers are getting fed up with this and stoppin altogether.

ITT: naive people that really think that good sales in a paperback means the character will be back.

>>87301493
Anon, the character is Mockingbird. She's a great character with decades of history. One mediocre 8 issue stealth mini doesn't change that.

>>87301160
I was referring to the original point made that Bobbie wearing a Spider-man shirt as child doesn't make any sense, which had to have an error on the writer's part considering she was still trying to get super-powers via spider bites even when you ignore her T-shirt.

I also meant that the story seems to about Bobbie being an unreliable narrator in the general tone. A lot of bad writers seem to use "unreliable narrators" as a crutch since they feel that they don't need to put as much effort into the plot, since any glaring plot-holes or inconsistencies can be hand-waved away as the character mis-representing things. Problem is that unreliable narrators work best when there's a consistent reason and motive for the character to be unreliable.

Take the entire "you need a Y-chromosome to be a hero" pages from issue 3, where it omits several female superheroes. You could blame that on Bobbi being an unreliable narrator and blaming her own shortcomings and insecurities on non-existent prejudices, right? Well, not really since the comic itself ignores this glaring fact, the writer's own statements show her intention was to address the "issue" of the importance of female representation - which relies on Bobbi's assessment being correct - while praising the fans who treat what Mockingbird says as gospel for "getting it." Taking he errors of that page as Bobbi being an unreliable narrator don't line up with what the author was clearly trying to say.

Good unreliable narrators make you question the character's intent, bad ones make you question the writer's. If that makes sense.

>>87295609
>It's Bobbi's POV. She says HER childhood heroes were male
Bullshit. She says that she thought she couldn't be a hero because she lacked an "Y" chromosome. Even if all HER fave heroes were male, she still should've known that female superheroes – you know, the ones without a "Y" chromosome – exist.

>they were short changed in the 70s.
Wasp, She-Hulk, Invisible Woman, Black Widow, Storm, Jean Grey, Tigra, Spider-Woman, Valkyrie, and more.
Sure, not as many as male heroes, but how the fuck would the existence of these heroines make one think "I'm a girl, I can't be a superhero"?

>>87301412
i got all i wanted from the bkv years everything after it's just nonexistant.

>>87301446

Frankly Id rather they just went away for good in some forgotten pocket because the way shit works these days they'd probably be given back to Hopeless

>>87295543
Damn, that's a really cool fucking shirt. I usually prefer solid color (sometimes thin stripes) and think art on shirts is gaudy, but in this case it really looks great.

>>87301594

She Hulk and the F4 where pretty prolific people in universe at the time too and Wasp is a big shot fashionista. There's really no way she couldn't be aware of them

>>87295596
Anon, please don't get me in the mood to read Bloom County. I have all of the hardcover books and I WILL read all of them if provoked.

>>87295677
>"Thanks, @chelseacain for ruining my favorite character with your feminist crap"
THE HORROR!!! THE HORROR!!!
He said... "crap"!!!

Should Obama now file for harassment for all those "Thanks, Obama" jokes?

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>There are actual people that liked this

>>87301685
>Getting a tshirt of a tshirt

To out a cherry on top they likely bought this instead of the comic

>>87301516

anon, marvel is desperate with the continuously decreasing low sales, they spray and pray that some title will finally work and sell, until then they will hop from character to character and see if they can strike oil with them.

>>87301703
Even better: I'm pretty sure Cain doesn't even get a cut of the profits from the shirts being sold.

They're throwing money at buying shirts to support a person who doesn't even benefit from the shirt sales.

>>87301703
>for the cost of shipping and the shirt itself, they could have gotten the first trade and the issue itself
Bravo

>>87301412
Its only there because they have a sale on it anon.

>>87301739
The money is going to a corrupt white business man.

>>87301716

>decreasing


increasing

>>87295287
100% Jewish

Mercado means Market
He is a sefardic Jew almost certainly

>>87301739
Marvel are the masters of the hustle. The had a comic like Mockigbird get canned for selling like shit and then turned some mean tweets into a social media campaign getting the trade to the top 10 sellers list on Amazon

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>>87301685

>>87295179

Is there a tampons of men? as in, something male related that is disgusting and talked about openly, unlike tampons which cant be discussed due to female opression?

>>87298059
>female heroes are just as celebrated as their male counterparts
In-universe, it's already that way.
In real life, it depends on personal preference. There are more Batman fans than Harley Quinn fans, for example, but much more Harley Quinn fans than Aquaman fans.

>>87301825
>>87301685
i feel like this is a new level of irony i want to get in.

>>87301748

I don't doubt that helps but the runaways trades have been hot sellers for a very long time at book stores and stuff too.

>>87301835

used socks?

>>87300839
>Everyone seems to have missed that Bobbi is repeatedly implied to be an unreliable narrator.
It could've worked if Cain didn't treat Bobbi and her "feminist" messages completely seriously.

Either you treat your character as a total loon who can't be trusted (Deadpool, Lobo, etc), or you treat your character as a serious conveyor of important political messages.

>>87301859
I check the Marvel top 100 daily and Runaways hasn't had a book in it regularly in a long ass time.

>>87301160
>>87300839
The "I can't be a hero because there are no female heroes" shit can't be explained that way. If Bobbi only said that because she's an unreliable narrator, that would mean the writer doesn't believe that message. But the sad part is, the writer herself has defended that message, and implied it should be taken seriously.

>>87295609
>her childhood

I'm going to echo the sentiment that this is pure bullshit. For one, Bobbi is way too fucking old to have been a mere child or even teenager during the start of the age of heroes. She should legit be several years older than guys like Cyke and Peter Parker.

Also, even around the early days there were plenty of famous super hero women doing things. I wouldn't say they were shortchanged. Wasp and Sue came into their own during the 70s and Jean Grey was always growing stronger and stronger. Hellcat and Valkyrie became Defenders and fought side by side with some true powerhouses.

Chelsea is full of shit. It's not Bobbi's POV, it's her own. She would have been that little kid in the 70s who literally ignored all female representation.

>>87301873
all humans wear socks.

IMO, writing about menstruation related stuff, or how you cried while and after losing your virginity, makes feminists look bad, as in, they have no interests apart from those 100% female experiences. It is like writing about male ejaculation.

>>87301493
If it's a "progressive" character/writer, it does.

>>87295179
Wait what? Who can't talk about tampons?
Are you Yanks afraid to talk about tampons? Kek.

>>87301645
>There's really no way she couldn't be aware of them
Especially considering she not only knew, but was a FAN of Thor and Cyclops.
Thor who was in the Avengers with Wasp since the beginning. Cyclops who was in the X-Men with Jean Grey, and was her freaking boyfriend.

>>87301835
erection jokes

>>87301957
Ever need to clean cheese off your dick? We should write a comic about that.

>>87301685
>$15 well spent
Still won't buy the comic tho

>>87301957
>used socks?

>all humans wear socks.

I spotted the femanon.

>>87301835
Condoms? Jock straps? Codpieces?

>>87301685
Someone needs to make a shirt of this tweet.

>>87302013
None of those are talked about openly, obviously.

>>87301988
The next Nightwing comic should be all about smegma.

>>87301988
>>87302042
This reminds me of the mid-2000's Dial-H book where a guy got turned into a girl and got raped by his best friend and turned into a stripper. Maybe we can work something like that and have the Dial make a dick-cheese super power.

>>87301993
Uh, gross. Comics are for nerds.

>>87302042
Finally a comic which I can relate too. Comics need to be more diverse and inclusive, including uncomfortable topics like smegma accumulation, ball hang height, jock itch, circumcision. It's 2016.

>>87289929
my local BAM's (big box book retail store) has a bargain comic shelf, 95% of it is Marvel. there's like one DC book

>>87302114
Shame the actual DC shelf is always 90% Batman.

Women read comics and are nerds. It's 2016. Get over it.

http://www.mtv.com/news/2683640/geek-media-numbers-breakdown/

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>>87294747
>disinterest-looking kid/manlet
>not ill-dressed fat neckbearded manchild wearing a fedora

These negroes can't troll properly.

>>87302224
Too bad they didn't buy Mockingbird.

>>87295247
It wouldn't surprise me if the tumblr audience Marvel wants generally thinks that brick-n-mortar comic shops deserve to die out. "Haven't these shitlords ever heard of online shopping!?"

>>87302156
more like two half shelves to the rest of DC's shelf and a half

feels like 55-45

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>>87295300
Welcome to the 21st century.

>>87302224
>over-the-top sexualized designs in video games
Why the fuck do female gamers care. I understand wanting some non-sexualized characters too for a change, but lashing out at every single sexualized design is ridiculous.

>the article shows most female gamers are mobile gamers anyway
So why do they care about sexualized designs in PC games, again?

>>87301411
Wow. Anon your gaydar is top notch. Thanks for that useful input to this thread.

>>87302553
Because it's the cylical logic of people who don't know how to argue/flail to make a point by taking things out of context.
In trying to prove women play vidya, they make their point but they also kill the point they need to be appealed to in X games because they're already being appealed to in their own market
>>87294747
Does anyone have a link to that guy's twitter? I want to see what else he's said so I can gauge if he's for real or not.

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>>87302690
I just vaguely remembered it and I was too lazy to look it up.

>>87302224
>Female comic book fans buy the shit out of Harley Quinn long before the movie even existed
>Blah blah blah obviously the only way to go to attract female comic readers is to blatantly pander by genderbending existing male heroes like Thor
Logic, this article fails it.

>>87295141

Who the hell is threatening anyone....I swear Regressives want to change the definition of "threatened" to make it so nobody can criticize them

>>87295509

'When you have no meat to your argument, change the rules of the argument' is the regressive gameplan

>>87302977
It's threatening their credibility as comic writers/publishers.

>>87303058
That's silly. They had none to begin with.