Marvel's Nick Spencer on why DC's Rebirth is successful

>>87195030
Can confirm, I'm racist and hate diversity. Two hours from now I'm gonna burn down Chinese shops. THEY WON'T STEAL OUR JOBS ANYMORE

He has a point

>In b4 a mod deletes the thread even though they wouldn't delete an anti marvel one

Marvel's diversity is, literally, only skin deep.

>>87195030
is Spencer retarded?

>>87195030
>/co/ still defends this retard

>>87195030
seriously where's DC's Trump bashing comic?

Marvel's had like 12 in the last week

More like DC is trying to push already diverse characters while making new characters that actually fit the roles they take over, There can be multiple green lanterns because thats a role but how the fuck is "Thor" a title that can be passed down? also there sjw shit isnt as heavy handed

>>87195030

yes and readers are right.

>>87195030
sounds like he's being a crybaby

>>87195030
>BOO HOO DC IS FASCIST BECAUSE THEY DON'T LET ME WRITE SUPERGIRL
I always said this guy was overrated.

>>87195088
Because Marvel is trying to bury the fact that they gave a million buks to Drumpf, anon.

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>>87195091

>>87195030
>Am I out of touch?
>No, Ot's the children who are wrong

>>87195065
bingo bingo bingo

>>87195030
>There's no possible way it's the lack of quality in our comics, the fact that we unorganically force characters to the center stage in poorly conceived ways, and do a new "everything changes" event every 5 minutes
>No, it's the readers that are wrong

Amazing. Simply amazing.

>>87195109
Ollie's always been that way though. That's not a stretch at all.

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>>87195109
What a bold and controversial new direction for Green Arrow...

>>87195109
To be fair, is liberal leanings have always been there.

As cringy as that box is

>>87195109
To be completely fair, Ollie has always been an insufferable sjw. I can't believe he has friends.

Why do all of these retarded hot takes always presume that young animal and Hanna Barbera don't exist

>>87195164
Shut up Barry.

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>>87195091
more

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But the best minority-led and minority-legacy heroes are currently being published by DC.

>>87195088
They are releasing a one shot prez special very soon. Maybe it'll be in there? Although I expect it'll just be a rather heavy handed commentary on our political elections.

>>87195030
*crosses arms and wisely nods in agreement*

The solution is simple, encourage comic book stores to boycott DC, if their racist, hateful books aren't on the shelves, there's no problem

>>87195109

Isn't Ollie a liberal and a comunist, while Katar was conservative as fuck and thus they always fought?

>>87195030
What happen to spencer? His Superior Foes was so good! But his Sam Wilson is racebait garbage that I'm suprised Larry Wilmore didn't write it. And Hydra Cap is boring.

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>>87195091
hey

>>87195109
Oliver has always been a die hard liberal.

>>87195196
>minority
>in China

>>87195196
>white
>hetero
>diversity

Fuck off?!?!?!

>>87195186
Because they only read capeshit.

>>87195030
Dammit Spencer, I really want to read a Flash book by you, why must you ruin my dreams?

It's like he's ignoring books like Cyborg, Blue Beetle, New Superman, Superman and the entire Young Animal line.

There is a good amount of diversity and enough SJW pandering in books, they are just not completely shitting on other existing people.

>>87195225

Yeah, but this bitch is in love with her gay friend, so it makes sense that she'd say this shit.

>>87195030
Oh, so Green Lanterns does not exist? Midnighter and Apollo? Cyborg? Batwoman? Vigilante? Blue Beetle? New Super-Man?

Or how about hiring blacks? Priest, Kolins, Sampere

Or gays? Orlando, Jimenez, Andreyko

>>87195212
Spencer was leaning hard on Lieber's idea collab as well as his art. You can see him trying to do the exact same thing with Ant-man, and failing desperately.

>>87195030
Or maybe people who want diversity just dont read comics. So they were just making for an audience not there

>>87195202
Ollie was only ever a communist in the frank miller universe. >>87195109 is still a cherry picking faggot though

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>>87195091
never forget

>>87195212
>His Superior Foes was so good!
No it wasn't.

>>87195030
>being THAT mad pathetic sjw beta cuck
Where is his dignity?

He is right that Rebirth is a conservative approach when it comes to stories and status quo.

Marvel is still shit right now.

Apparently we live in a world where creatives actually believe there are people who read solely Marvel or DC and there is no cross interest, Otherwise he's saying people that possibly read his comic are racists.

Marvel contracts have a clause that establishes that the employee must attack DC at any time possible.

>>87195267

Digital comic where DC invited woman to do their own take on Wonder Woman. It doesn't count.

>>87195030
Why is this dude such a faggot about DC? Even Slott usually just takes shots at the movies not the comics. Only Breevort is as much of a prick.

>>87195230
Fuck off. Flash is already in bad hands right now, no need to get another hack on the job.

But DC has better diversity than Marvel right now. What the fuck is he talking about?

>women led books
Superwoman
Supergirl
Wonder Woman
Harley Quinn
Batgirl
Batgirl & The Birds Of Prey
Shade
Doom Patrol
Mother Panic
Batwoman co-leading Detective Comics

>books led by LGBT characters
Midnighter & Apollo
Detective Comics
Hellblazer
Harley Quinn

>books led by racial minorities
New Super-Man
Green Lanterns
Cyborg
Vigilante Southland

Not to mention Batwoman will get her own book next year and JLA will also star women and racial/sexual minorities.

>>87195141
>>87195155
>>87195129

Green Arrow was the kind of character that would had insulted you guys for using the word "liberal".

There's a huge difference between meme progresive shit murrikans are now into. And Green Arrow's contracultural era, it was based on Socialist and Anarko movements and not Twitter campaigns.


American "liberals" are as far right as the conservatives, the only differences come to be about taxes, baby jesus, fag and nigger rights.

Ollie would know that Hillary is to the RIGHT of Trump. That's why the "SJW" thing with GA doesnt work. It panders to the same kids that think Right winger and conservative are the same thing.

Ollie is based, and O'neil was great.

>>87195193
I'm arguing that's Rebirth, even with the shittier titles, has overhauled a high percentage of that kind of shitty pandering writing. They're going back to the basics mostly, and they finally have a fair number of good books going despite some weaker ones like Flash and Cyborg. Marvel is a cesspool of garbage right now, and they refuse to analyze themselves and fix it just to look good on tumblr.

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>>87195202
It was always politics.

>>87195295
Waid pls

>>87195292
>It doesn't count when DC does it

>>87195030
But DC has plenty of diversity. Just look at Green Lanterns, New Super-Man, Cyborg, Lark, Birds of Prey, Apollo and Midnighter, ect

If readers of superhero comics wanted challenging approaches they wouldn't be reading superhero comics.

Marvel and DC both have gone through the usual cycles of "everything is different" and "everything is the same as it used to be." Like Morrison's X-Men was followed by Whedon's nostalgic X-Men. DC going back to "meat and potatoes" is the same thing, Marvel's already hyping something like that with X-Men for 2017.

To be fair to Spencer though, "conservative" doesn't necessarily mean political, just artistic. So "Brand New Day" was a conservative approach to Spider-Man, not politically, but artistically because it tried to give us the old familiar Spider-Man instead of making him more mature.

>>87195241
Scott Kolins is black?

>>87195129
Every "good" character in the book is like that, though. Dinah shames him for being rich and white, and Emiko spouts off about being "objectified"

>>87195314
Yes, because readers get angry and editors decide to stop making them angry. Marvel, on the other hand...

>>87195212
Superior Foes wasn't his first comic, his stuff has always been middle of the road or awful. Just because you don't know about them doesn't mean they don't exist

>>87195202
>and thus they always fought?
Nothing to do with politics as explained in Identity Crisis.

>>87195306
Sauce?

>>87195109
But Green Arrow IS an SJW, Anon.

It's like you don't read comics. He's was tumblrite before tumblrites became mainstream. He calls Barry a fascist and Batman a "corporate cop out". Never mind the mirror.

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>>87195228
>White

>>87195030
DC's rebirth is successful because it uses characters people know and care about and tells stories that are meaningful to what fan's know and love about those characters.

When you introduce RiRi Williams or whatever or make Falcon, Captain America you are basically airbrushing over an existing entity and calling it 'diversity'. Black Panther and Prowler are steps in the right direction, but if they really wanted to reach out with a diverse cast where is the Storm book? Or the Falcon book? Why not give Amadeus Cho a solo title? The reality is though that those titles would not sell, so Marvel is placing the characters that people know and care about (like Spider-Man, Hulk, Iron Man, etc.) on the backburner and they churn up artificial replacements to meet some 'diversity' quota.

Just glancing at the sales for last month, in pretty much all cases where the 'default' version of a character still has a book, that book outsells the 'diverse' version of that character. Is that really such a big surprise? Marvel is not interested in diversity, they're interested in generating sales for new issue number one's by means of guerrilla marketing on shows like The View.

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>>87195030
Bravo Nick.

>>87195349
Identity Crisis. Perfectly skippable.

>>87195196
He isnt a minority.

He is a Han Chinese in China.

>>87195202
He was never a commie, but both miller and o'neil gave him strong Anarchist leanings.

That's why in the era of longbow hunters he was more of a libertarian it could make sense even when it was on the other side of the spectrum.

>>87195226
>liberal

>>87195327
Percy is a terrible writer, his "race commentary" in TT Rebirth was cringy.

>>87195030
>I think Marvel's track record for big, exciting, successful over the last 15 years is pretty clear

Nick, sweetie, please. Marvel's quality has consistently gone downwards for the past ten years, with the last five years basically been almost nothing but diminishing returns with only few books worth even reading, the past year after Secret Wars basically meant hitting the bottom of the well.

Where's the next Captain America: Winter Soldier? Fucking nowhere. The last time people genuinely were excited for the X-men was when Whedon kickstarted Astonishing and we all know how that ended, after that it was mostly "well at least we have the satellite books". With Iron Man you have to go as far back as Warren Ellis' six issue Extremis story to find something of value. Thor hasn't been truly good since the JMS relaunch. Avengers hasn't been good since Johns brief run, and truly iconic since Busiek.

>>87195030
While I don't hate other races, I do wish they would stay in their respective countries. I also don't mind diversity, but show actual diversity. Throwing in a couple blacks is not diversity. Statistically speaking there are more Hispanics than blacks in the US so there should be more Hispanics in our media.

Conservative doesn't have just a political meaning, you know

He does mention diversity, but he also mentions variety and choices available. It's completely true that Rebirth is conservative when it comes to how the characters are being handled and the titles being published (It's basically post-Crisis lite and only the big names have books).

It's the opposite of DCYou.

>>87195365
>Perfectly skippable
That''s literally the only thing I've heard about IC ever.

>>87195365
You mean, perfect mini-event which started more awesome events.

>>87195030
>This is the guy who wrote Superior Foes

How can this much of a faggot write a book that good? Was he mindswapped?

>>87195323
>Just look at Green Lanterns


The green lanterns are not Diverse.

At all.

>>87195301
of course the Marvel cucks don't say shit.

>>87195312
Another hack that needs to forever stay at marvel.

>>87195327

>Dinah shames him for being rich and white

Dinah shames him from being a SJW. She was angry that he was this rich and white guy that couldn't shut up about minor shit. That he wasn't really poor or downtrodden to really know about the shit he was complaining. That the JL couldn't take his bullshit attitude. That he should chill.

Dinah was basically going "Hey, man, i'm from the hood, you're not, so don't speak for me or people like me. You don't shit about us."

Holy shit Spencer is fucking delusional. Rebirth is a safer approach, sure, but even disregarding Young Animal there's New Super-man (which frankly is a vastly better approach to diversity than anything fucking Marvel is doing right now), Superwoman, Midnighter/Apollo (and the fact that Marvel's answer to this is Iceman is pathetic), Vigilante, Priest on Deathstroke, Vixen and Ray upcoming in JLA, Bombshells is the queer wish fulfillment everyone on Twitter should be jizzing themselves over, Green Lanterns, etc. and when it comes to tonal diversity they're still doing better whereas your options at marvel are "bland" or "quirky"

It also seems willfully ignorant to praise DCYOU long after it was an established flop and then dismiss rebirth as only successful because it's pandering to closet racists

>>87195382
you do know Hispanic is not a race right?

there are black hispanics and white hispanics and even some asian

>>87195326
Yea.

>>87195354
That's like calling the che guevara a SJW you dumbass.

>>87195400
Waid always ruled at DC. Pity that he 's crazy now and DC had to ban him from entering the DC offices.

>social media screencap
>racist
>diversity
>progressive
>conservative alt right
>diversity
>racist

Another piece of shit for the the trash heap.

MODS DO YOUR JOBS

>>87195394
A book starting a Muslim guy and a Latina woman does not count towards diversity?

>>87195030
Lets take a look at the books NOT about white straight males over at DC.

>Batgirl
>Birds of Prey
>Blue Beetle
>Cyborg
>Bombshells
>Doctor Fate
>Gotham Academy
>Green Lanterns
>THREE HARLEY QUINN TITLES
>Midnighter and Apollo
>Mother Panic
>New Superman
>Raven
>Shade the Changing Girl
>Six Pack and Dogwelder
>Supergirl
>Superwoman
>Two different Wonder Woman Titles

Gee, is Nick Spencer some kind of retard?

>>87195393
I fully believe that if was Steve Lieber that made this book work

>>87195394
>two white guys
>one hispanic descent
>one woman
>one black guy
>one muslim
>not diverse

Fucking Green Lanterns is headlined by the muslim and the woman.

>>87195386
>He does mention diversity, but he also mentions variety and choices available. It's completely true that Rebirth is conservative when it comes to how the characters are being handled and the titles being published (It's basically post-Crisis lite and only the big names have books).
Which is absolutely fine, considering there's quality writing and art despite this. Better than what Marvel's doing.

Plus, exciting stuff like YA

>>87195393
He's been drinking the mouse koolaid

Did somebody at DC give him a wedgie and then kick his dog or something? Not even Waid is this salty

>>87195410

Sure, but you are not gonna see German-Chilean, French-Uruguayan or Italian-Argentines characters.

Diversity means Mexican-Murrikan latinos.

>>87195091
I'd personally just prefer NEW FUCKING CHARACTERS. I'm fine with women characters. I'm not fine with women versions of existing characters. That is pathetic and has the creativity level of a 5 year old

>>87195438
He was going to write his waifu Supergirl, but Nu52 happened.

>>87195438
they had no idea what they unleashed by denying this guy Supergirl

>>87195434
>>two white guys
Hal's Jewish, right?

>>87195393
Lieber is the real brains of the duo, once you realize most comic writers are hacky fucks the easier to becomes for you to not overrate them.

>>87195437
I'm just saying he doesn't seem to be focusing on "diversity". He said it one time. In fact, what he meant by diversity could even not be about minorities.

And yet everyone here is triggered and mentioning minorities.

>>87195442
But there aren't more Mexicans than blacks using your logic

>>87195225
>implying there's anything wrong with this.

>>87195434
>one hispanic descent
>one woman
>one black guy
>one muslim
don't forget the Jew

>>87195449
>>87195450
Did he ever wrote something good in DC?

>>87195030
No other publisher has more content diversity than DC.

>Main superhero line
>Vertigo
>Young Animal
>Hanna Barbera
>All those experimental minis like Deadman

>>87195471
His Jimmy Olsen story was pretty good

>defending fucking variants

holy shit, spencer. Even ignoring the retardedness of his other points, you can't defend variants for such a stupid reason as "it keeps more copies for readers!!!!!"

Also, I love, love, LOVVVEEE that Spencer uses the term
>"fans"
to describe people who actually buy comics. Like, consider the state of Marvel at this point in time: they actually, genuinely think that the SJWs screaming in their faces are buying up all their comics and that their long-terms "fans" are just posers.

Fucking hell. Marvel and Spencer deserve whatever misfortune they get.

>>87195423
>A book starting a Muslim guy and a Latina woman does not count towards diversity?

It's an American GL and another American GL.
So no, it's not diversity.

>>87195434

Just like with Batwing, African Batwing = Diverse
American black guy that listens to hip gop ? Not diverse

There's nothing diverse about those characters anymore, aside from the colors needed to print them.

>>87195471
that Jimmy Olsen one shot with the alien qt trying to fuck him

>>87195276
But we also have the young animal line.

>>87195429
Also, Teen Titans. The closest they have to a straight white male is Damian, who is mixed race.

>>87195386
One of the reasons these discussions are frustrating is a lot of people - including in the comics industry - think conservative, old-fashioned comics only appeal to old fans, and new fans will come in if they create new, edgy, hip comics.

Of course that's probably bullshit. If anything fans who have been reading a long time often want to see something different, and new fans often want to see the familiar characters (why is Thor a woman, this isn't the guy from the movies).

DC tried to get new readers with less continuity-heavy comics (New 52) and more millennial-friendly stuff (DCYou) and now they're going for a more old-fashioned approach. That can be good or bad but there's no reason to think they're driving away new readers with this approach or that Marvel is attracting tons of new young hip readers.

(Possible exception: new readers sometimes turn out for new characters, like Kamala Khan, and of course one reason Claremont's X-Men was so popular with girls in the '80s is that female readers were interested in seeing the new female characters.)

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>>87195030
>Nick Spencer thinks Marvel's dozens of variants to inflate sales strategy is smart.
Who's right, /co/?

>>87195471
His Supergirl issue was great. According to him, DC didn't like his idea for Supergirl ideas and removed him off Supergirl. That's why he's still salty at DC.
His Jimmy Olsen backups were great as well.

>>87195030
>Sees making actual new characters who fill equality quota instead of just shoving a minoriteam into existing superheroes suits as "conservative"
Wow thanks Nick Spencer for assuring me I made the right choice
Fucking idiot has no idea about Green Lanterns, Duke, probably Raptor etc.
It's called treating the intelligence of your readers with respect Nick, you stupid fucking shitknocker.

>>87195196
>Portrays chinese Supes as self absorbed, ego maniac
>Not racist.

>>87195434
>>87195454
>>87195470
>>87195470

Hal's a Jew
John's black
Guy's a ginger and thus soulless
Kyle's Mexican or something (he's Catholic and talked Spanish in Omega Men)
Simon's Liberalize and Muslim
Jessica's Brazilian i think

>>87195030
I'll always love Superior Foes but damn, Spencer sure has proved to be a right cunt.

>>87195357
Cho does have a solo title, he's the totally awesome Hulk

>>87195534
wtf I hate Guy now

>>87195468
Well, there are not. There's 8 to 12 million illegal mexicans, there's another 38 legal ones. Vs 42 million blacks.

>>87195065
Basically this, Marvel doesn't have true diversity. It's all just smoke and mirrors.

>>87195503
it's fucking heinous. Taking advantage of the collector market and vehemently abusing it, with all the people calling out this practice, you'd think somebody would have shit talked Marvel by now.

>>87195489
>moving the goalpost
If we go by that argument then almost nothing is diverse.

>>87195525
>all comics should have a good character that behaves well and that has never done anything wrong

I wonder what kind of comics you read man.

>>87195525
>Minority characters, and characters in general, need to only be kind, selfless, and good. Any bad traits immediately makes them a bad guy

>>87195503
Brubaker has zero to do with Marvel so he's less biased and right, shit he is probably going to have almost zero to do with comics soon now that he's getting TV work

>>87195503
That's stupid. Forcing retailers to buy more copies doesnt work if customers aren't buying them. If you want more books on the shelves, then put out books that retailers want to buy

>>87195525
Chinamen don't read comic books and they're not even a minority, they are like half the world's population

>>87195030
Yes, Spencer. The reason why so many people dropped Marvel comics is because they all suddenly turned into racists. It's totally not because if the constant relaunches, high prices, events, and poor writing quality. You finally figured it out.

>>87195496
No the closest is Beast Boy.

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So Marvel didn't reboot every single person, still have their civil war two arc, and forcing diversity.
They somehow wonder why no one cares when DC every thing better.

>>87195498
Yeah, the idea that the longed-for New Audiences all want a particular kind of book that lines up neatly with their identity is unproven fading into not true.

The biggest Wolverine and Guy Gardner fan I know is a fashionable 20-something woman.

>>87195053
He doesn't at all, this reads like a fanboy's arguement. He thinks Marvel is constantly on top in sales for fuck sakes, he goddamn works for yhem and doesn't read the ratings?
Goddamn fanboyism.
How the fuck has nobody taken this bait yet?

>>87195030
>Rebirth is conservative because it has less variety and less choice
>OMG I'M BEING CALLED A RACIST OMG I'M NOT ALT RIGHT

Spencer is retarded, but you are more

>>87195480
>>87195491
>>87195512
Oh, I remember that story about Jimmy, It was decent. Why the hell lots of writers became so salty and stupid when DC doesn't let them do some shit they want?

>>87195406
>It also seems willfully ignorant to praise DCYOU
You think Spencer did that? Just ask him, he hated DCYou.

>>87195386
>the young animal line
>a southern gothic romance starring Deadman
>Hanna Barbera

>>87195472
Well, duh, "diversity" means black men fucking white women, you dumb goopergabe.

>>87195088
It was nu52 hellblazer. Neron is demon Trump. He promises to Make Hell Great Again with a hostile takeover of New York

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>>87195196
>Not using the best example of a minority legacy hero
kys faggot.

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Nick still salty

>>87195615
>>87195437
>>87195186
You do know they are not part of Rebirth, right?

He's talking about the Rebirth line being successful, not DC as a whole

>>87195471
He never wrote anything good. Period.

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Twice

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>>87195030
So now instead of just not listening to the customers about what they want and basically putting out comics and telling customers to like it (let's call this "The Carol Danvers Method"), people at Marvel are now trying to shame you into buying their comics. I like where this is going.

>>87195626

That was fun, though.

>>87195595
He's a PoC shitlord.

>>87195030
HOLY SHIT.
I would call him delusional, but I actually think what we have here is MALICE. Actual, real EVIL, given comic book writer form.
DC is more diverse, in a more organic way, and it has better quality books, while having less shitty "nothing will ever be the same again, we swear it this time it's for real" events.

>>87195621
That's sexist and racist. Why can't black women fuck white men?

>>87195643
but Deadman is part of Rebirth you inbred. He's literally in the fucking spread Reis made for the oneshot

>>87195489
Oh so now diversity is only measured by amount of countries represented? lol that's rich

I'm glad you crazy fucks keep moving the goalposts, eventually nobody's gonna want to play your stupid game

>>87195109
Ollie doesn't count, hes been a fucking hippie hugger walking safe space since forever.

>>87195660
Well they are giving x-fags what they wanted, more x-books, basically name it resurexion or something, that is a good first step.

>>87195675
The mini is not part of the line

>>87195556
>>moving the goalpost
I'm not moving the goalpost, i think Batman Inc was diverse, and i believe Johns new creations are not only retarded and lazy, but they are just gimmicks of diversity, ms marvel and blue beatle are diverse, riri and the new power girl are not, are generic characters and the only diversity you can find in them is disco hair.

There's more "black from the hood" characters than boy scouts. Damian, Cass, and Hawke were diverse characters.

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>>87195030
>"Fans"
What does he mean by this?

>>87195030
Rebirth is successful because they're trying to make books based on what their readers want, not what they want.

>>87195673
I will never forgive Spencer for turning Misty into Sam's side hoe then Waid immediately pairing him up with Whor. Fucking Danny's a wreck and they're gonna fucking pair him with Colleen Wing because of that fucking Netflic show.

>>87195643
Sure, but in some sense it invalidates the claim.

Rebirth isn't "diverse" because it doesn't have to be; DC can make it more "conservative" because they have shit like YA and HB to be weird and different and diverse.

>>87195065
Yeah this.
Where are Marvel's Prez and Flintstones?

I histiorically prefer Marvel when it comes to capes but there's a serious lack of genre diversity at Marvel

>Superman still Superman
>Batman still Batman
>Wonder Woman still Wonder Woman
DC hasn't been replacing heroes for the sake of diversity.

>>87195699
>forced globalism=diversity

>>87195703
i.e. pandering
It can ultimately become stagnant.

>>87195699
>It's only diverse if I say so
sure brah. Ms Marvel fucking lives in Jersey, isn't she an American by your definition?

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>>87195030
Nobody is White in the new teen titans.

>>87195030
>black people want to read about black characters, we should pander to them
>white people want to read about white characters, those racist fucks

>>87195694
Personally, I feel like everything that isn't outright stated as being separate is a part of Rebirth.

For example, they came out and said that the upcoming Wildstorm imprint is separate from the main DCU.

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>>87195702

Anyone not buying Marvel's comics aren't real fans, but alt-right trolls trying to ruin things for everyone.

>>87195699
>just gimmicks of diversity
Oh so you're just retarded.

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>>87195454
Hal believes in himself

>>87195742
Raven isn't white?

>>87195030
>i think marvel's track record for big, exciting, successful stories over last 15 years is pretty clear
yes
it's very clear

how come he sees it the other way, though?

>>87195670
Did I say it wasn't?
I laughed my arse off when he said the line to the crowd of demons.

>>87195756
she's Indian American you shitlord

>>87195755
>Hal believes in his dad
ftfy
>>87195756
Usually Jewish, I think. I'm probably wrong, though.

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>>87195276
>He is right that Rebirth is a conservative approach when it comes to stories and status quo.
Yeah, but that's their MAIN LINE. Their main line should be pretty bread-and-butter and be fairly basic to attract as many readers as possible. That's the purpose of a main line.

DC's also putting out more experimental stuff as mini-series (Deadman) and imprints (Young Animal, Wildstorm). Which is incredibly smart. People who want more niche stories are smaller in number and these mini series and imprints are okay with those smaller sales numbers. Marvel, meanwhile, shits up their main line with experimental stories and niche titles and just alienates the masses who want something more vanilla.

>>87195756
Half-Demon, check your human privilege.

>>87195503
Spencer. Smarted person, better Captain America writer, better writer in general, better looking, funnier. Ed can suck a dick.

>>87195225
I'm curious as to why her friend isn't possessable.

>>87195755

Harold Jordan's still a Jew.

>>87195680
>Oh so now diversity is only measured by amount of countries represented?

No, diversity is represented by the Background of the character, in the case of GL it was already too much with 4, and Johns felt the need to add 2 more. So instead of an actual mulsim from a muslim country, we got a lame one, and instead of let say jessica with a stereotypical background from idk her family being killed by a guerrilla in colombia or bolivia she is just another murrikan beaner.

Diversity should be about opening windows for different storytelling, even if you are stereotypical about that like with Bane, you can't just paint a character darker and giving him a weird surname and call it a day, that's what marvel has been doing and that's what Jessica and Johns imaginary childhood friend are. If the ethnical background of a character doesnt allow for different directions then is not real diversity, it's just a corporate gimmick.

>>87195792
Nick, go back to Twitter.

>>87195772
>>87195775
>>87195790
Should we throw in Mexican and Native American while we're at it?

>>87195775
>jewish
Well her new mini shows that her mom came from a WASP-ish background.

>>87195785
I'm not saying it's not smart or that it's wrong.
Just saying that he has a point about that. But the retards here are taking it as "there are no minorities", including the OP faggot.

>>87195811
Let's get exotic and say Egyptian.

I didn't think it was possible but Marvel writers actually know less about comics than /co/

>>87195809

Bane's actually white or mixed raced with fare skin. His father was a blond English man.

>>87195030
I love Spencer's writing, it's a shame to see him inch closer and closer to SJW beliefs.

He was politically crazy before he even got into writing comics, but there's nothing like going full SJW to suck all the fun out of a writer.

>>87195790
We all know the devil is white

>>87195742
The Rebirth issue was great and this book actually seems promising.

>>87195276
>He is right that Rebirth is a conservative approach when it comes to stories and status quo.
It really isn't, even in going back to the old stories, they've made a lot of changes.

Green Lantern comic stars a South American girl and Middle Eastern dude.

Two of Batman comics (Batman and All Star) star a black kid.

Detective Comics is headlined by Batwoman.

Batman's Catholic. So he's probably not white, also.

>>87195883
>Two of Batman comics (Batman and All Star) star a black kid.
Wonder will wild Damifag appear.

>>87195851
>>87195851
And her mother was European stock, santa prisca is based in cuba here mixing with natives wasnt a thing. Bane is White. Is Latino, and is actually a diverse character. That's why i name dropped him.

>>87195809
>Jessica
>Another Murrican Beaner
>I've literally only saw the character in events and nothing else

>>87195835
>her mother came from a coptic orthodox background.
My Headcanon should be confirmed Canon.

>>87195790
HAHAH THAT'S COOL.Damis girlfriend is a -Demon..

>>87195225
I can't stand SJW making up these stupid fucking words like "they" or "them".

>>87195897
He's just a side character there, he's going to be focused in Teen Titans and Super Boys.

>>87195707
Seriously, why doesn't marvel get shit for this? Misty and Whor were turned into Sam's side hos. They exist to pleasure his cock.

>>87195851
Who was a blind martial artist.

>>87195301
Isn't Artemis in RHATO Egyptian?

>>87195883
There are changes, and most of them are reminiscent of the New 52 and DCYou (like the Green Lanterns)

But it's still a lot more conservative all around.

>>87195883
>Green Lantern comic stars a South American girl
She isnt south american. Think north, and fatter.

>and Middle Eastern dude.

As middle eastern as Geoff Johns

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>>87195568
>Superheroes should act like shitheads to be considered interesting.

Get back to /a.

>>87195917

Hi, Damifag.

>>87195889
Hes son is not white.

>>87195889
His mom was Jewish so... yeah, he's not white.
>>87195935
Amazon from Egypt, so like Cleopatra and similar Greek rulers of Egypt?

>>87195873
But Trigon isn't the devil...

>>87195030
>demanding less diversity
>Batwoman is happening and Green lanterns is consistently in top 10

wut?

>>87195908
Your waifu isnt a diverse character, she could had been Jessica Hershlag and she would be the same character.

>>87195935

Artemis was always Egyptian, though. Fucking casuals, mang.

>>87195897
He has problems with arabic people..

>>87195937
>But it's still a lot more conservative all around.
How is it any more conservative than Marvel?

How is the inclusion of Duke more conservative than the inclusion of Riri?

How is having Asian Hulk less conservative than having Asian Super-man?

>>87195889
Batman is an atheist.

>>87195785
>experimental stories
>Marvel
Is this a jest?

>>87195949
>Superheroes should never experience character development by shaking off their negative characteristics and in turn creating a satisfying journey in how even fucking demi-gods can still strive for self-improvement

>>87195975
Who?

>>87195809
>Actual muslim from a muslim country
If this were the case people would complain he's a stereotype, and they would be right. This isn't professional wrestling, we don't need the screaming shiek.

>>87195951
He Scott.

>>87195956
>His mom was Jewish so... yeah, he's not white.
That's not how it works, as long as his Grandma isnt jew he is free from the jew curse

>>87195917
Two things.
>Damian doesn't have a girlfriend.
>Raven isn't going to date Damian.

>>87195973
she already is by being a woman you shitlord

>>87195985

No, he isn't, you fuck. He knows there's an after-life and shit. He just doesn't think much about it because God failed his parents.

Why do all of Marvel's writers act like little baby man children? Rebirth is both diverse and progressive with plenty of diverse characters and even a mini about 2 homosexual heroes with the Midnighter and Apollo mini. I'm not gonna sit in this thread and argue with the Mouseketeers but I just wanna say you people need to wake up and stop listening to what this company is trying to force you into believing even if its not true.

Community was right, not being racist is the new racist.

>>87196007
They'll skip right to banging.

New52 and DCYou had tons of actually diversity that wasn't just the old superhero shit with a woman/brown person and most of those series tanked horribly.

How long do they have to do shit that doesn't sell before it's socially acceptable to go back to doing what does?

>>87196007
You write the comic ?

>>87196007
Damian obviously belongs to Starfire.

>>87196004
My Jew Fu is weak, I admit. I only know about "you're one if your mom is one" thing.

>>87195993
scott snyder

>>87196004

His grandma from the mother side is a dirty Jew.

Ragman also said once that Batman is jewish as fuck. Batman told him to go fuck off.

>>87195980
More conservative than the previous DC lines

I don't even care about Marvel and Spencer is retarded, but Rebirth is DC's conservative approach after their previous failures

>>87196049
So that's why sjws hate him. Interesting.

>>87195973
Oh so just cause she isn't constantly spewing spanglish and talking about her abuela that somehow invalidates the fact that she's latina? Way to be a racist fuck.

>>87195889
He's episcopalian on his father's side and jewish on his mother's.

>>87195742
Damien is

Y'all say he isn't for brownie points but he looks it

>>87195975

Damian isnt arabic.
Neither is Ra's.

Given Ra's Age and that he was an asian nomad he is most likely a Pashtun.
He can only be considered "arab" in a cultural sense, since he moved there and renamed himself in arabic.

But Damian is 25% Pashtun 25% Chinese and 50% White, most likely Celtic and Briton since Bruce doesnt seem to be Anglo

>>87196033
Everyone loves Dami But I also like maps.

>>87195267
>Based Steve Liebers wife wrote this

What a shame.

>>87195799
>>87195454
He is? Source?

>>87196058
>More conservative than the previous DC lines
How is it more diverse (as evidenced by the fucking multitude of POC and different sexualities) while also being more conservative?

You keep saying it, but you don't offer anything to support your claim.

They undid New 52, this alone does not mean "conservative."

>>87195971
>Green lanterns is consistently in top 10
Lol what top 10?

>>87196072
>Given Ra's Age and that he was an asian nomad he is most likely a Pashtun.
He was there a thousand years ago. He's Persian. And not a nomad.

Hal Jordan hates Bruce because Bruce constantly denies his Jewish ancestry.

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>>87196093
Darkseid War.

>>87196072
But isn't Talia Arabic? Or should I say half-arabic?

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>>87196137
And some ancient panel I just found.
Hal is the worst Jew, though. Is there any panel with him NOT being broke as fuck?

>>87196140

Talia's mother was a hippie from Woodstock that Ra's banged.

>>87196100
conservative
>tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions; traditional

the world is more than political nonsense

>>87196072
Damianis arab
DC says it :)
Today, Batman's Editor Is Looking Into Damian's Ethnic Portrayal ...

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It takes a lot of salt to tweet all that, Nicky.

>>87196072
>Ra's isn't arabic
>has arabic name
? ? ?

>>87195030
Be careful anon, the mods are anal about twitter posts, because they have ramrod cocks up their asses.

>>87196161
Arabs can't be hippies?

>>87196020
Most people on this board who were fans of Marvel have been fed up with their bullshit for a while now.
Almost nobody defends them anymore unless they're being paid

>>87195030
Are all marvel staff under contract to shittalk DC at every moment? I never see guys from other publishers do this.

>>87196158
>>87196137
It's always been ambiguous. He celebrates Christmas and other Christian holidays but there have been references to his mothers side being Jewish. Carol even proposed to him at the Jordan family Christmas back in Gerard Jones' run.

>>87196161
Talia's mother was a ARAB Chinese
SON OF THE DEMON-

>>87196047
>>87196051
>>87196070

It's about the women's lineage. The Kane Grandma could had converted. And converts can't give you the jew by blood.

As for bruce, Miller, O'neil, Grant, and Morrison all write him as catholic. I'm nor sure about Dixon. But at this point Batman has been Catholic with the most influential writers for the last 40 years, the character gets better stories by being Catholic as opposed as being Episcopalian. If the whole Gothic, guilt, satanic and devilish themes work better with Bruce being Catholic there's nothing to argue about (But sure, O'neil was a little biased).

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>>87196093

I don't care about all this SJW/diversity bullshit
But this fuck is defending Marvel's shit practices with their variants?
>if someone is willing to pay $200 is a win win

More like if a LCS wants to get a variant cover for their clients they are forced to spend $200 for comics they will never sell.

>>87195974
Freak off. I know the original was Egyptian and I don't care about YJ Artemis because I never watched the show.

What I meant is that RHATO considering a diverse book too because one of the lead characters is Egyptian.

>Tfw hispanic, all the Marvel diversity titles look like shit and i barely give shit about them anymore
>Enter comic book shop one day owner is a Marvelcuck offers me Miles book, because maybe i would like it
>Tell him why he thinks, i would like this book?
>He just mumble bullshit about being a new fresh take on spiderman, but i know it because Miles is suppose to be latino

This is bullshit, do Marvel really think minorities want to buy this comics or just white people with agenda buy them? at least he could offer me a Robbie book he's cool

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>>87196213
Long story short, writers don't care that much.
But it's funny how King pulled out religion for both Lanterns he wrote.

>>87196184
Youre a fucking little faggot if you screencap other sites then come to 4chan to complain about then or see what other people have to say about it.

>>87196217

Grant Morrison hates Bob Kane and turned the Kanes into shady as fuck dirty Jews that were responsible for a lot of bad things in Gotham. Like ACE Chemicals.

>>87196217
Maybe the kane gradmas were jewish as well? Traditional Jewish people do tend to marry jewish people.

>>87196174
It's a name he gave to himself
>>87196123
I'm 90% sure he was a nomad as a kid, but i havent read the story in almost 10 years so i may be wrong.
>>87196161
>>87196216

Well, in both versions her mom was chinese. But Arab? I don't recall that.

>>87196171
The saddest thing is that as the years past, the editors are getting worse and worse.

Damian has green eyes right? Can someone confirm Ra's had green eyes before the Laz pit?

>>87196275
Oh thanks.

>>87196205
this, how anyone can think Marvel is so nice when DC literally all does is be bros and lift with each other

>>87196245
>b-but nobody's forcing them to adhere to our shitty business practices
>W-what do you mean LCS lose cash cows by not serving to their every whim
>W-what do you mean we're abusing the collector mentality

What really fucking pisses me off with all of these is months ago, Spencer defended Marvel having tons of events by saying that it keeps niche books afloat, now that DC has done it without relying on constant events and crossovers he's going salty about how DC is ruining the industry for not taking advantage of the market by giving away variants and not being "Diverse" and having "Variety"

>>87196285
In Kyle's case he pulled a little too much out. He's never been very religious and never interacted with that side of the family considering his Dad left him. If anything, he should've brought more of his Irish/Gaelic roots out as he actually practiced that with his mother.

>>87196296

It fits too because the Kanes hated that Martha married a Wayne. They even called him a Satanist.

>>87195030
The diversity in Rebirth comes from Personality, Powers, and Plot, which is all that matters.

There are heroes that are vastly different from each other, with vastly different stories, that all strive to do the right thing. What links them together is: good storywriting, tone, and overall message which we can attribute to Geoff Johns. Of course, some of the writing is subpar, but on the whole Rebirth has been high quality.

>>87196318
Yeah, I remember some anons mentioning they weren't fans of that.

>>87196305
>Nuh variants = nuh gud
DC puts out like three covers per issue, I don't know what kinda shitty crack spencer smokes.

>>87196246
>What I meant is that RHATO considering a diverse book too because one of the lead characters is Egyptian
You actually have a point. I can't believe that a lot missed that.

>books led by racial minorities
New Super-Man
Green Lanterns
Cyborg
Vigilante Southland
Red Hood and the Outlaws

>>87196203
Plenty of drones still defend marvel though.

>>87196290
I have no problem with this.

>>87196356

Jason Todd is also a huge faggot, so this adds to RHATO being a diverse book.

>>87195030

I don't think he's wrong really. A lot of what he's saying is applicable to a long game so it'd be awhile before we see anything

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>>87196375
Oh look, butthurt Jason hater is here.

>>87196285
Yeah no one finds it a bit suspicious the same guy that's part of the push Duke brigade is also the guy who made a big deal out of Hal being Jewish and Kyle being hispanic.

>>87196375
Kek no but he represents a poor kid who grew up on the streets with drug addict parents which is very relatable for some people and I'm hard pressed to think of any other heroes that represent that.

>>87196410
>>87196405

Jason sold his butt as a male prostitute to survive in the streets, though. He's little gay.

>>87196287
you mean like the OP faggot?

>>87196440
Yes. This whole thread is cancer.

>>87196290
>>87196296
Sure, and is a big possibility. But i'm not convinced, after all Morrison took the catholic angle with Batman back in Gothic. But sure, he may not even care about that.

IMO until we get confirmation we cant really know.

Elizabeth doesnt have a surname yet.

What ethnicity is Sensei? He looked asian, but anyone that old would.

>>87196457

tweeter screencaps should be deleted on sight like on /v/

>>87196410
>he represents a poor kid who grew up on the streets with drug addict parents which is very relatable for some people
His mother was drug addicted and his father was alcoholic and I definitely agree with you.

>>87196336
>What links them together is: good storywriting, tone, and overall message which we can attribute to Geoff Johns.

>Johnsfags

>>87196305
Thing is a lot of Marvel's writers antagonize their customers by bringing up politics into everything. Imagine a merchant at the market ranting about those monstrous republicans, and when people back off from him he asks out loud ''why aren't these white racist nazis buying my merch?'' Demonizing your customers is such a retarded thing to do I can't believe a company like Marvel is so guilty of it.

>>87195088
Marvel's owner donated $1 million to Trump campaign. The fact that none of Marvel's writers or artists have commented on that shows how much of a farce their "diversity" is. They may be writing anti-Trump pieces, but the proceeds are being sent to the very man they are arguing against.

>>87196480

Step-mother.

>>87195030

A restaurant with a small menu but brilliant food is always better than a restaurant with wide range of food but shitty cooking.

>>87195030
Are Marvel writers completely retarded?
Does Marvel drug the water in the offices or what?
The only fucking thing that could be constructed as 'conservative' from Rebirth is Dad Superman taking over from Bro Superman...if anything Rebirth managed to marry diversity concept from the post-IC with nu52.
It just took the best and most workable characters and concepts from DC modern history...also they gave Cyborg a book, i dunno why...

>>87196503
Why do people go on the Internet and lie?
http://gwillowwilson.com/post/138315140383/art-and-money

>>87196503
>The fact that none of Marvel's writers or artists have commented on that shows how much of a farce their "diversity" is.

There were multiple threads the day that got out of Marvel writers complaining about it. Most notably the writer for Ms. Marvel. I know you want to be mad at Marvel, but don't just remember things wrong to suit your anger.

>>87196410
Yeah, Jason is the only Robin who I find relatable.

The others are too prefect and unreal.

>>87196437
Did he really? He was like 12, thats grimdark even for DC in the 80s
I thought he just stole shit.

Nick Spencer is a hack, Marvel sucks ATM

>>87196555

Hard to find Scott Lobdell's Jason Todd relatable.

>>87195294
I legitimately believe Slott just doesn't give a shit. He just comes across as a big kid most the time who enjoys playing with his toys. The issue here is that he enjoys playing with his toys /too/ much and refuses to leave a book, despite writing a fifth of the series. Even so, I've never seen him openly bash on another creator.

>>87195324
I gather this is pretty much what Spencer is trying to say.

And as for "careful what you wish for", like Brand New Day, while it sold really well and was well regarded at first, after a year or two the book became really stagnant, with basically one writer getting complete control over it but with no attempt at telling new kinds of stories, just recycling old cliches over and over (Slott). And when that gets tiresome, it's right back to awful event comics and shocking turn-of-event stories (again, Slott), with o end in sight.

>>87196472
>Boohoo people are using pictures for citation and it triggers me for no good reason
Give me one fucking reason why screencaps are cancer you stupid fucking samefag.

>>87195303
Except that he's using the term as it originally and literally means rather than the new meme version. He believes himself to be a warrior for social justice. An actual one, not armchair activist fat tumblrite.

>>87195357
This. Marvel has literally some of the best minority heroes, they just refuse to use them.

>>87196579
He was shitposting about DC on twitter a few months back until Simone rekt him.

>>87196563
No he didn't. Stop being so gullible.

>>87196563
Not really. Winick and Daniel went crazy and implied that he he was, but it was never confirmed and pretty much everyone ignore it.

>>87195030
He's right.

Huh. I'm getting honestly interested in Spencer, ven if I wasn't really into his stories. He's honestly versatile, if he can write well political views that don't conform his views. That implies certain talent and brains.

That said, I like Rebirth. I like some books at least. Because they're well written, mostly.

>>87196544
I only read the first line but the answer is a very solid YES

>>87196542
>A restaurant with a small menu but brilliant food is always better than a restaurant with wide range of food but shitty cooking.
>Food analogies
What is this? /v/?

Though most people will agree, menus should be kept small, big menus is a clear sign of a shitty restaurant.

>>87195196
>>87195227
See that's the beauty of it. This is EXACTLY how I have been saying it should be done. If you want people of different races, it should be done in a realistic (based on population percentages) manner. If you want a Chinese hero, why not have him in China?

>>87195301
You forgot Blue Beetle and that the Atom is probably getting a new book with Ryan Choi as the lead after JLA launches, they usually give at least a couple of characters books when they launch a new league.

>>87196544
When he says conservative i assume he doesnt mean politically he means story wise they aren't doing radical changes and mix ups that end in the line "the dc universe will never be the same again"

>>87196614
>Give me one fucking reason why screencaps are cancer you stupid fucking samefag.

90% of the time they are used for bait threads as in "Here's [person we hate] saying [something we hate], let's all get mad." Anything to do with Twitter is automatically going to devolve into shitposting, this is a fact.

>>87196542
In this case DC is a nice corner diner with a nice varied menu of good familar meals all reasonably priced while
Marvel is more like a hipster food truck.

>>87196614
You are taking photos of someone talking about something on the internet and taking those photos to another place on the internet to talk about them. If you don't see how that is cancerous then gods help you. This whole talking on websites about other websites is a very nugeneration thing to do and its very very dumb.

>>87196544
>The only fucking thing that could be constructed as 'conservative' from Rebirth is Dad Superman taking over from Bro Superman...
Superbro was replaced by another white guy instead of a black teenager so obviously DC is racist

>>87195601
>Wolverine
>Guy Gardner

Interesting you should mention those characters. One was a legacy character of an older one, and the other was a new character added to a dying book to see if a complete shakeup could increase sales and reader interest.

Readers do want new things, but not all new things are what readers want.

>>87195444
>I'd personally just prefer NEW FUCKING CHARACTERS.

Because that worked so well with Mosaic.

>>87196658
>Shitposting by comparing everything to another board
Usually we accuse people of being from reddit around here.

>>87196717
>Because that worked so well with Mosaic.
How did the first issue do?

>>87196717
Yeah but you neeed to make them good and introduce them organically.

Also advertise it.

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>>87196544
They gave Cyborg good stories. I didn't think it would be possible.

>>87196662
>See that's the beauty of it. This is EXACTLY how I have been saying it should be done. If you want people of different races, it should be done in a realistic (based on population percentages) manner. If you want a Chinese hero, why not have him in China?


I'm liking the comic a lot, but im a little mad of how pro-america is.

The whole value system is plain wrong and could be used in a interesting way like: Equality and responsability being more important than Freedom and democracy, the chinese culture is different to western culture and their superman should reflect that. Still great.

>>87196717
Maybe if it were well written and had good art...

>>87196630
Sauce? I wanna have a good giggle.

>>87196630
What did they say?

>>87196666
Well aside from the fact it hasnt yet in this case, I'll concede that you're more or less right, also super satanic quads, nice.

>>87195030
Is this guy for real? Or is he just a really good PR shill for Marvel? It's hard to tell when people are just pushing an idea because they're being paid/other reasons or if they legitimately have swallowed the kool aid.

>>87195603
Because it's bait.
Faggot.

>>87196745
Is it pro America? They are simply saying the Western trends of superheroes have caught on which ironically is happening right now irl.

If you wanna read a book about America being clearly depicted as in the wrong read Aquaman.

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>>87196555
>Yeah, Jason is the only Robin who I find relatable.
>The others are too prefect and unreal
This so much.

>>87196748
>>87196755
There were a lot of tweets, so... I don't know, google "simone slott twitter"?

>>87196740
The recent issue with him having a nightmare of the JL trying to kill him with dialogue ripped straight out of ridiculous silver age covers was pretty funny.

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>>87195030

>SJW logic: " white people tend to buy comics with white protaganists and that is racist"
> having to moderate and explain your own personal and private purchases in you own time and money to appease SJWs
> " oh shit I bought a spiderman comic and a wolverine comic, that two white people comics, I better buy two black people comics to be fair or I'm racist"

>>87196745
>>87196766
Great ten best Chinese super-functionaries.

>>87196678
Somebody else did a better job at your arguing your point >>87196666
You fail, he wins.

>>87195091
I would say they're trying left and right to get some diversity into comics and sometimes it works, but sometimes it doesn't. Ms. Marvel: works. TAH: works. The rest: mostly don't work.

>>87195212
I like both current Caps. Wel,, Hydra Cap more, because it's fun to see everything going down.

>>87195230
>>87195241
>>87195733
I can give you the new Supes and Batgirl. but there're other who are not Rebirth runs, which is what he was talking about.

>>87195660
>creator says something on twitter
>OMG STOP SHAMMING ME AND MY COMIC BUYING HABITS!

you sound like a fag

He's absolutely right. Sales figures have never positively correlated with the quality of a book.

DC Rebirth might be 100% quality, but the reason it's doing well is because DC provides a safe space for 40 year old fat white men.

>>87196772

Being a super magical ninja and the world's best assassin isn't a little too perfect also?

>>87195225
Look at the dead look on her face. He may be called the "Dead Man," but the woman is really the one who is dead inside.

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>tfw Nick Spencer stole Superior Foes from MAx Landis

>>87196805
Nick, please go write better comics.

>>87196802
Are you retarded, Nick?

>>87195301
i'm not american. why does diversity only mean your sex or race in america? where i come from diverse would mean diverse viewpoints, not just different skin colours or whether you're gay or not

>>87195225
I don't understand the difference between this, and someone asking you to call them Mr.Awesomesauce instead of their first name. It just sounds weird and imposing to try to change language like that just because you want to be a super special third gender.