What is the point of this imprint?

>>87177300
It provides a convenient distraction while they dismantle Vertigo.

>>87177300
It's Vertigo, but with even shittier creator contracts. It also keeps Gerard Way busy.

>>87177300
Stories with lesser used DC properties not tied down by mainline canon and a high rating. That's rating as in PG13 vs R not rating as in critical score.

Pretentious Hipster Garbage

>>87177300
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbbZc2pab9k

>>87177435
Weak bait

It has more in common with modern image than classic vertigo which turns me off a lot to it

weird/experimental/obscure stuff that isn't expected to sell.

I've liked all three so far. Fucking Wild Dog, man.

>>87177607
>than classic vertigo

You mean Sandman: the publisher?

>>87177300
Making comics.

>>87177607
Funny because current Vertigo to me feels much more like what is published under Image than Young Animal.

>>87177734
Neck yourself you fucking casual

>>87177607
Completely disagree, it feels like neither

>>87177700
Wild Dog? The Arrow character?

>>87177993
Yes, that one

>>87177300
allowing 90s Vertigo and present-day Vertigo to exist alongside one another

>>87177300
Making good and experimental comics.

>>87177607
Modern Image wishes.

>>87178017
Not sure why you used an Arrow character as the example of super obscure and experimental.

>>87178063
Oh, you seriously think he's from Arrow? Or are you following up on the joke?

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>>87177300
2dangerous4u

>>87177993
i.e. the patrician's Punisher clone of choice

It's old Vertigo but with a new name since Vertigo is dead and irrelevant

>>87178132
Oh please, Wild Dog lacks the nuance and commentary of Vigilante.

It's a lighter, modern version of the classic Vertigo that a lot of people, Gerard Way in particular, grew up on.

The books have been good so far.

Cave Carson > Shade > Doom Patrol

Although, none of them are bad.

>>87177300

Best thing since Rebirth. That aside? Best thing since the first Marvel NOW!

>>87177300
To save comics.

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>>87179529
I approve of your list. What's the point of this thread, OP?

>>87179363
I love Wild Dog, but I agree with you.

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>>87179363
Yeah true fampai I was just joshing

So is it like Vertigo but a line that actually fits into DC continuity? Because I believe Mother Panic will be taking place in Gotham.

>>87179847
You mean like many vertigo comics?

Its closer to classic Vertigo than modern Vertigo, taking elements of the DC Universe turning them into Fringe titles ala Hellblazer or Swamp Thing, although not comparable in tone.

Think of it as classic Vertigo were you're not limited to being dark, gritty or adult

>>87179752
>we're going to get this
>in fucking Arrow of all forms
Damn it monkey paw.
Although Mr Terrific and Wild Dogs costumes are pretty on point so I hope they don't mess up his.
I also hope he kills himself

I only read the Scioli back up whats this about wild dog and metal men in Cave Carson

>>87179864

The fuck? Why is it not just under the Vertigo imprint then?

>>87179962
Because Vertigo is dead, irrelevant, old news, etc

>>87179962

bc this is like a Gerald Way thingy and Vertigo is Vertigo

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>>87179892
I don't like Wild Dog being the FNG but yeah at least he looks on point. Vig might be trickier though, not sure how well a costume that's mainly a ski suit and goggles would translate to live action

I wouldn't be surprised if they went and used one of the more modern Vig designs

>>87177300
Apparently Vertigo is for creator-owned titles now, so for Vertigo-style books using pre-existing DC characters they use Young Animal instead.

I don't know how Vertigo being for creator-owned stuff accounts for the current Lucifer series though.

Its a marriage between what Vertigo was supposed to be at the start and what Vertigo became in the early 2000s.

>>87179962
Vertigo is now Image-lite and basically creator owned material. Young Animal is 90s Vertigo Rebirth and handles niche characters and teams that exist at the edge of DC canon.

>>87180012

Okay, I didn't know Vertigo became focused on just creator owned stuff. Yeah okay, I understand what Young Animal is then. Obscure DC characters, experimental comics, that don't have to fit into continuity so heavily but can if they have to. Thanks for the info.

Um, bonus question... why is Wildstorm getting it's own imprint when those characters could easily just fit into DC since it's mostly cape books with a similar tone.

>>87180270
Probably because they want it to be a creator-curated imprint, just like YA. So that got Warren Ellis on board

>>87179962
You clearly know nothing about this subject, become educated then we can talk.

>>87179913
Read the book retard

>>87180270
Because they already did that with Wildstorm and it sucked ass.

>all titles are confirmed fringe but in the DC universe
>Wild Dog is Cave Carson
>Wild Dog gang is meant to be showing up in Green Arrow eventually
Wonder if either writer is gonna try and tie them together or if they'll just pretend the other doesn't exist

>>87180012
Basically creator owned material without actually being creator owned, mind you.

>>87180666
Wild Dog gang? I saw them on the cover of GA #1 (and only read said ish), thought it was just a subtle reference

>>87180705
They were mentioned on a TV screen in an issue as well.
I think Percy said real early that he was threading that plot point for later

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>>87180749
Huh, I should prolly get back on the book so

>>87177300
I had a lot of high hopes for things like Doom Patrol and Cave Carson but the art is so garbage I couldn't get through any of it. Too much "american anime" stylization. Shade was alright though. Anything else on the line that I should check out?

>>87181687
The only other book so far is Mother Panic which isn't out yet.

Also you should definitely be reading the Hanna Barbera line.

>>87177700
What was Wild Dog in?

>>87181687
Your description makes no sense
What do you mean American Anime?

>>87179529
Shade was 10/10. Cave Carson was not better than Shade.

>>87181802
Cave Carson nigga.

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>>87181687
>Too much "american anime" stylization.

Ohh to be this uninformed. Shade's artist Marley Zarcone is perhaps the MOST manga influenced of the lot, which is clear from both her style and following her online.

Derington and Oeming's art are along the lines of more traditional western cartooning

>people going nuts over wild dog when he's so obviously just there to be killed off

>>87177435
Yeah no shit, a lot of people happen to like portentous hipster garbage
>>87179913
The metal men and FUCKING WILD DOG, BITCHES

>>87180270
>Why is Wildstorm getting it's own imprint when those characters could easily just fit into DC since it's mostly cape books with a similar tone.
Wildstorm is pretty paramilitary with a lot of cosmic paranoia. It doesn't fit all that well in DC proper, so they're basically letting it do it's own thing like Young Animal is with the weird fringe elements.

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Niche DC properties that are allowed to be a bit experimental, so far.

So long as DC is realistic about sales expectations this looks like a guaranteed positive in my opinion.

>>87182065
Him being there at all is still cool, man.

>>87182313
THIS
IS

>>87182313
>So long as DC is realistic about sales expectations this looks like a guaranteed positive in my opinion.

This so much. They have to let it settle and and be content with whatever numbers they make (which I can't imagine will be a lot). It's too much of a niche line

>>87177435
I haven't seen this old insult trotted out in years

>>87177300
It's an okay imprint so far, but none of the art has been doing it for me so far. Like it's not bad and perfectly serviceable but just nothing that grabs me.

>>87182474
Shade had pretty sick art. Mother Panic should have pretty killer art too.

>>87182543
Coincidentally the one book I didn't read from the line so far, I'll have to check it out since it's been getting praise elsewhere in this thread.

>>87177300
>when you are too cool for mainstream heroes but still not hipster enough to go indie or euro-comics

That's the point
Like liking the JSA over the JL/JLA or Inhumans over X-Men

>>87182474
Derrington does great pencils, but I suspect Bondvillain is not the best colorist for him.

The only thing wrong with Shade is that I expected something a bit more... deranged visually, after sticking my nose into the Milligan run for a bit. The pencils on Shade are fine, but the colors could stand to be a bit more interesting, instead of just safe and adequate.

I can't figure out why I'm not happy about WD in CC. Maybe because he feels too sane, I'll have to see him in action to decide. Cave Carson beheading a mutant monster that burst out of a troglodyte's head with a power drill was pretty fucking extreme, but the art doesn't complement that kind of METAL! at all.

>>87182672
Really? I personally thought Bonvillain is doing some of the best work of her career, and is a fine suit for Derington

Who would you prefer to see in her place?

>>87182672
The Milligan run probably has some of the most outstanding and definitive art of any DC comic, so it's a really high bar for comparison (but one a relaunch makes itself).

>>87177607
>>87177734
>>87177771
>>87177965

Complete casual here, what do these distinct imprints "feel" like? And would you also say DC and Marvel have a "feel"?

>>87182313
>Niche DC properties that are allowed to be a bit experimental

I think Doom Patrol will be as mainstream as they go so I've been thinking of other niche characters they could do. Space Cabbie seems like a good candidate

>>87182402

It's Didio era DC so I've never had worries about their sales exceptions

>>87183079
Yeah when Doom Patrol is the most mainstream name in the first batch of books you know you're in for some obscure stuff. Cave Carson was apparently chosen because he had the shortest biography in a DC Who's Who book.

I'd be down for some Challengers of the Unknown.

>>87182880
>. Maybe because he feels too sane

What's sane about some street level vigilante in a hockey mask fighting monsters at the center of the earth?

>>87183006
>>87183079
My YA wishlist:
>Miss Gradenko
>The Madness of Tenzil Kem
>Zinda Blake, Space Cabbie
>Scare Tactics

>>87183006
If you have to ask...

>>87179962
Because Vertigo is fucking dead.

WB made sure to kill them and piss on its grave.

>>87183209
I mean, the man himself seems too sane.

>>87183342
>>87183209
He probably means that hes too street level for Cave Carson which is supposed to be super trippy/silver-age/trip-to-the-center of the earth kind of vibe

>>87183443
kek, you're replying to my post to tell me what I meant? I don't mean it as a street level thing at all. Wild Dog seems too together, too normal and healthy and sane as a person. I think we'll see really quickly if that'll be switched up or not.

The original Wild Dog mini was distinguished from more standard vigilante/Punisher stuff in a couple of ways, at least one of which was it highlighted Jack's more successful friends and presented as possible read where his own frustrated ambitions feed into his vigilantism just as much as his desire for revenge. I mean, he blew out as a college football player and he literally murders criminals in a college football jersey. You can't not make a connection there, surely?

It never really got into exploring a deep character arc (but a similar thing that did would be Marvel's Gerhardt Foolkiller) but the hints of stuff like that, along with the A+ design and the fact he's totally fucking unhinged in actual combat, are what make him interesting to me as a character. And in that line it's probably kind of natural to pair him with a washed-up Cave Carson, but I want to see the interesting parts of Wild Dog too.

To sell comics to MCR fans.

>>87183311
Mine
>bring Swamp Thing and Animal Man back to a mature imprint, A Man done by Mike Carey, a Swamp Thing OGN by Stokoe
>Richard Dragon kungfu series, Photorealitic art (but good, deadly hands of kung fu style)
>Static series
>LEGION

>>87180328
>So that got Warren Ellis on board
Great, so we'll get like 5 issues a year.

>>87181687
>Doom Patrol and Cave Carson
>art is so garbage
>american anime
Dumbest post I've read all day

>>87185245
He's in an editorial role.

>>87185245
He's already done 6 issues, so if anything, it'll be his computer killing itself

>>87185333
He's writing the main title. He has 6 issues written and is apparently planning 24 and has ideas for more.

>>87185153
I would read a Brubaker Animal Man run

Is Kamandi Challenge part of Young Animal or DC proper?

>>87181824
Agreed on Shade being 10/10. Haven't read Cave Carson yet for comparison, but Shade lived up to all of my hype and I'm fucking excited for more.

>>87186627
DC

>>87186627
It's not Young Animal. As far as being DC proper, I don't think they've mentioned whether it's "canon" or not.

>>87177300
To get people hyped for D-list books they would never touch otherwise by unifying them under a brand. In other words to dupe suckers.

>>87187259
>implying a tighter editorial control doesn't create a specific narrative style
>implying changing content restrictions doesn't change storytelling style
>implying consolidating strong creative talent to one editorial isn't better
Bait or retard?

>>87177348

Vertigo is already dead or do they still publish anything relevant?

>>87186718
I think all of the line so far have been hits, just Shade was the best of them.

>>87179992
>I don't know how Vertigo being for creator-owned stuff accounts for the current Lucifer series though.

It's a spin off of Sandman, which is a creator owned series to a certain degree.

>>87177370
>>87177700
>>87177762
>>87178033
>>87179529
This - I didn't even need to write anything.

... oops.

>>87178063
That anon mentioned mentioned Wild Dog because he shows up in Cave Carson Has a Cybernetic Eye. They weren't using him as an example of anything.

Also Wild Dog didn't originate with Arrow or even as a Green Arrow comic character. And generally he is considered an obscure character while we're on that note.

>>87189343
Sheriff of Babylon aka best comic of the moment.

>>87189601
>to a certain degree.
In that, it's not at all creator owned, but anyone using the Endless usually gives him a heads up.

>>87185317
Oeming really is garbage. Derrington was really good though, especially the Gyro world pages.

So this is DC You 2.0 without risking the experimentation on mainstream heroes.

>>87191399
Is DC You without stupid SJW garbage like Prez
Nice dubs btw friend

I dont understand if Vertigo isnt really creator owned, then why would a creator ever do a title for Vertigo when they can just go to Image?

>>87191446
It seems like a lot of people have that same line of thinking. The ones that don't must be prioritizing something else over creative ownership.

>>87177300
It lets Gerard Way make some comics that seem pretty good so far.

>>87191446
Because if you're not a big name your Image title will be canceled in 5 issues and you'll still be as broke as ever. Doing something at Vertigo still ensures you with a stable salary and even with comics like Red Thorn or Coffin Hill that didn't sell, they still ran for about 20 issues which is about 2 years worth of a salary.

>>87191446
They're partly creator-owned. After a certain time the creators can purchase the full rights of the work.
But Vertigo offers page rate while publishers like Image don't. The creators salary depend on the sales of their comic's sales.

>>87191446

You have to be somebody for your Image book to be even moderately successful, and you bear the financial burden to publish it. Meanwhile at Vertigo you get a pretty good page rate as a salary and don't have to pay everything from your own pocket for publishing the book BEFORE you get any profits yourself.

>>87180328
What is Ellis going to be doing?

>>87191779
He'll be Geoff Johns or Gerard Way of Wildstorm.

To satisfy the people not falling for the mediocre Rebirth meme.

>>87177300
Being too big to be sued isn't worth shit if you can't show it off by using the name of ANOTHER comic publisher's product for your own.

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>mfw didnt get to meet gerard way at nycc cause all the MCR fans got the limited signing bracelets before i did
i bet half dont even know what doom patrol is

YA was a mistake

>>87185153
>Stokoe
>Doing anything but covers.

In our dreams man, he hasn't completed an OGN in years, he's done a few shorts but iirc nothing else.

>>87177300
officially its just vertigo but weirder but in practice its all the dc universe stuff that used to go to vertigo with vertigo only getting stuff unrelated to the dc universe now.

>>87180270
wildstorm in the main universe did not work out so well last time.
i dont know what they are gonna do about midnighter though he is well loved enough to have earned a spot in the main universe.
im thinking maybe have him in the wildstorm universe but featured heavily whenever theres a crossover between the 2 universes

>>87192955
just another symptom of comiccon becoming less and less about comics.

if they kicked out everything that was not a comic, comic adaption or comic merch it would be so heavily improved

>>87192955
fangirls gonna fangirl man, can't blame him for that

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>Tom Scioli Super Powers isn't its own series

>>87193543
>Tom Scioli
>Drawing a monthly

Are Marley Zarcone and James Stokoe the most talented couple in comics?

>>87192991
He's doing Alien Salvation

>>87192955
If they buy the trades because Way said to then I'm ok with this

>>87177300
to reinvigorate alt. ideas and preserve DCyou while acknowledging that Capes and cowls are timeless and rarely benefit from this treatment.

>>87177734
not for most of its history, Vertigo published Swamp Thing, Hellblazer, Animal Man, Doom Patrol, Madame Xanadu, Y Last Man, Zombie, Transmetropolitan, and the list goes on. Before Image, IDW and other companies targeted Indie creators Vertigo was the definition of the edge genre. You wanted to explore your liberal weird ass idea, go to Vertigo. You wanted to write your college stoner hero Constantine, Swamp thing, or Dream, go to Vertigo. The imprint spent twenty years being the IT location for a sub genre of comics. It fell apart because Vertigo had a hefty cost to DC and the returns had diminished.

>>87177771
It is like Image now. But Image now is allot like early Vertigo. Early Vertigo wasn't as anti cape as it was at the end. There were cameos. Honestly I always felt Vertigo titles suffered under the ban.

>>87185153
>Not liking NUSwamp Thing Animal Man

Honestly, the fuck. NuSwampy has consistently been in print with better writing/art than he had at Vertigo in a decade. (Vaughn's run ended in 2000.)

And Lemire's Animal Man was great. I don't understand Vertigo fags. You people freak the fuck out over the smallest superficial things. god forbid everything isn't cynical or british.

>>87185245
Ellis is involved in Windstorm, not YA.

>>87177300
To revive the Superheroes with Tits and Curse words of early Vertigo like Sandman and Hellblazer, where people like Morrison and Ennis did weird shit with characters D.C. Owns.

Meanwhile Vertigo itself has been moving to Image light since early 2000 when it published DMZ and Ex Machina and continues that route with Clean Room and SoB.

So that's really it.

>>87177607
>It has more in common with modern image

But it's not a bunch of halfassed TV pilot scripts.

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>>87193633
Transformers vs GI Joe was monthly.

>>87194920
It had delays.

>>87193844
this

Honestly I'd want some good old anthology books like House of Mystery and shit, if they want to weird they can go all out

>>87195110
>gook printers: the premier publisher

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>>87192955
They don't, I was at the YA panel and it was more than obvious from how most of the crowd was reacting that they were just MCR fans. At the QnA one girl even admitted she hadn't read DP yet

tfw still got to chat to Nick Derington at a bar afterwards

>>87194920
My rapper name will be Destro.

My show will include people dressed up as giant kirby robots.

Putting out insane and good comics apparently

>>87182313
I want that shirt.

>>87187466
You're sucker number one my friend. Did you read any of the Doom Patrol relaunches they did after the 90s? Would you have ever bought a Cave Carson book without this brand attached to it? Had you ever even heard of Cave Carson before this? Answer these questions and look inside yourself to find your tootsie roll center, broham.