Why can't superheroines be cute or sexy anymore, /co/?

Anything that might appeal to a WHITE MALE is toxic and must be purged, otherwise I can't even right now.

>>87166169
>Gwenpool and Kamala aren't "cute".
The problem is, they're too cute, like in those darned Chinese cartoons.

>>87166213
>Kamala
>cute

In her original series she looks a scraggly middle eastern girl. Since she is one.

>>87166221
>scraggly
>middle eastern
>girl
t. American racist homosexual

>>87166243
But she's also those things in her first appearance. Remember how her eyes and nose looked?

She's been generically cuted up since, but still.

>>87166169
Because the point is to tell a story, not to provide wank material for lonely nerds. You have unlimited access to porn, so it's not an issue.

>HURR DURR IT'S VISUALLY APPEALING
To you, maybe. To people who aren't completely retarded, it's eye-rolling and distracting. As a visual medium, comics have to convey elements and character emotions through the artwork, which it can't do when the artist is drawing with one hand instead of focusing on what's important to the story.

>>87166169
That costume was never "sexy" in the first place, just dumb and incredible impractical even by comic standards. Go get a grip.

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>>87166358
This. Reboot costume is Imra's best outfit.

>this thread
>on /co/mblr
fuck OP you are brave

>>87166169
I don't mind cute and sexy superheroines but where are the cute and sexy superheroes?

>I'm going to state a thing that's not true
>quality bait
Nice load of fish here

>>87166280

>it's eye-rolling and distracting.

Thats why the male superheroes are still in skin-tight outfits that are basically just body paint on top of their naked bodies. Because most cape comic readers are gay as fuck and have massive double standards about their white knightiness.

>>87166525
Don't forget how almost every male superhero is ripped as hell and conventionally attractive.

>>87166556
>>87166525
ADOLESCENT MALE POWER FANTASY

>would post the .gif if I had it.

>>87166525
>>87166556
Most female heroes still wear skin tight outfits too, in various states of covering. And most that aren't Valiant's Faith have an attractive body type as well.

>>87166624
Yeah, and that's part of the medium. I don't bitch about Thor being unhealthily ripped because it's a fantasy world where gorgeous people have adventures.

But you see all the "SEXIST! MALE GAZE! PERVERTED! IMMATURE!" from the feminist crowd, and creators actually fucking agree to their demands.

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>>87166169
They can.

The lack of scantily clad characters doesn't bother me much, it's the fact that veteran heroines who USED to be serious are acting like quirky teens.
It's Ok when Squirrel Girl does it. But Hellcat is a fucking grown ass, adult woman.

>>87166645
People are overreacting but I think there's still a difference in portrayal in some cases. I don't care when both men and women in a comic are given more sexual moments but sometimes it's very obvious that the writer/artist is just playing up his fetish with his waifu, which rarely happens to male characters (except for Hal Jordan).

At this point, only small time grass root comics can afford to have more risque designs. Big companies like Marvel and DC and such can't pull it off as much anymore, being right in the limelight of the public eye during this regressive PC age. Plus all the feminist quick to cry objectivification and shit.

But I've been hearing about some sort of meme pendulum concept that states in a couple years we'll be drowning in cheesecake but I doubt it.

>>87166691
>it's very obvious that the writer/artist is just playing up his fetish with his waifu, which rarely happens to male characters (except for Hal Jordan).
Well yeah, waifuizing and such is annoying. But the point was it isn't gender exclusive, and there's nothing wrong with it.

Like how that one female manga author said she likes drawing buff dudes the most.

>>87166169
Its not 5 years ago anon.unless your on the cover of wonder woman
Or a oc taking a place that rightfully belonged to an existing diversity character.
On a cover

>>87166721
>it isn't gender exclusive,
It's very heavily skewed towards female characters and would be a lot more tolerable if it was more even a bit more subtle.

A lot of manga authors are very based when it comes to that, it's nice.

>>87166782
>It's very heavily skewed towards female characters
It's a very heavily male dominated industry. Do you see men bitching about being overly sexualized in romance novels?

>>87166822
>Do you see men bitching about being overly sexualized in romance novels?
Not you, but other people certainly do. And some feminists also complain because it's "degrading towards women and should include more cute <3 lesbians" or w/e.

>>87166852
I just really don't see the problem of it all. I imagine most people complaining about the Fabio motherfuckers on romance novels are dykes, though, so that'd explain it.

>>87166169
I am currenlty reading the Legion Of Superhero and this costume is replaced at the start of Levitz Run. Does he reappear later or is it forever lost.

>>87166873
It shows up again in a reboot issue and FYL, Imra isn't very pleased with it IIRC.

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>>87166213
But that is best part about chinese cartoons is that cute girls.

>>87166852
>but other people certainly do
No, no one does except other women who are scared by dongs or love Jeezus.
So again we have a woman blaming a man for what women do.

Thanks, /co/mblr

>>87166869
I don't really know, it just bothers me when a character becomes less capable because sex appeal.

Nah, it's also the kind of guys that want to feel as oppressed as SJWs do so they find their version of sexualised comic book characters and complain about that.

>>87166169
>fully clothed women aren't sexy

how do you even masturbate on the bus with that attitude

>>87166358
>That costume was never "sexy" in the first place, just dumb and incredible impractical even by comic standards. Go get a grip.

I hope I never live long enough to be so joyless and dull as you.

>>87167237
sex is private matter; these characters are only made to look this way because it sells.

>>87167290
Actually they were made because the original idea for superhero costumes were based on what (at the time) circus performers wore and while modern comics mostly just stick to it out of tradition, "Eye catching"/skimpy costumes for female performers wasn't that uncommon back then

>>87167502
True, but superheroes are not circus performers. They are vigilantes who engage in a wide variety of crimefighting and rescue services. Wearing skimpy outfits that are not conducive to, and possibly even a hindrance, to that just makes the characters look like chucklefucks who don't take what their doing seriously. It's something that takes you out of the story because of how nonsensical it is. And no, nonsense in this case does not refer to the typical wackiness of the genre, since dressing like an idiot is stupid regardless of whether you're fighting sapient gorillas or not.

>>87167581
>>87167290
>>87166358

Your bait is so weak, bro. So weak.

Still, here's your reply.

Unpleasant insecure women and the men who try to fuck them.

>>87167502
this is interesting trivia, but those costumes even in that context were just used to "sell" I mean.. yes there may be a history to it, but it's not worth repeating. The reason it was done in the past ends up being the same reason it's used today: to sell things.

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>>87167604
>can't come up with a counterargument
>"T-this is bait!"
Here's your reply.

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>>87166852

>And some feminists also complain

Why should we care about what some feminists think? Feminists dont buy comic books, just look at the sales of the modern, more diverse Marvel.

>>87167581

You're talking about fiction where people dress up as cats and bats to fight crime. Crimefighting and rescue services dont require you to wear a cape. All superheroes should look like firefighters if you're to be believed.

>>87167739
generalizing this much about "feminists"

dude no two people are the same, I don't understand where you're coming from when you say "Feminists" this, and "Feminists" that; this creates a vacuum where nobody can make any argument or point because you'll shout the word "feminist" at them, which I suppose automatically makes them wrong. Let's completely ignore the range of ideas and opinions coming from human beings who care about stopping something oppressive and damaging.

Calling someone a Feminist as an insult is the new "Communist" and "Nazi", not need to be specific or considerate, just throw a blanket statement over a virtual group, job done. If your goal is to act like you're smarter or better than someone, then you dont even need to engage anyone at all. You have to empathize to understand people, not just cry when things stop going the way you're used to them going. Empathize.

>>87167827

>Empathize.

Theres nothing to empathize about the fact Marvel is simultaneously catering towards the Tumblr feminists, while having one of the worst sales in its history. You cant help but correlate the two together, especially when you see the exact same thing happen with video games.

Feminists dont buy comic books or games. Especially those from Tumblr. They make a lot of noise but 0,1% of them actually spends money on the products they whine about. Its a financial suicide to make them your target audience, like Marvel has shown.

>>87167581
But what if the superhero WAS a circus performer? Like Dick? Then it would be ok?

>>87167775
>All superheroes should look like firefighters if you're to be believed.
Well, no, because firefighter suits are not at all conducive to combat, nor do they grant very much range of movement. Frankly, it seems odd that nobody in real life has made better fireproof materials that can be cheaply mass-produced. But I digress. See, while I'd like to see superheroes wearing more practical outfits, those are always decried by fanboys who need to get their rocks off, frequently using the derogatory label of "tacticool". And really, I don't get why. More often than not, they're skintight outfits with straps and bits of light armoring. I find it a little hard to believe anyone here at least can't get off to that.

>>87168091

>because firefighter suits are not at all conducive to combat

Oh but they are, they protect you against strikes. Superheroes should dress like the military or special forces if you want realism. As a side-effect everyone wears kevlar and pudgy outfits and looks like soldiers with toned down colors like camouflage, black or white depending on the environ. And they would all be indistinguishable. They have to be, officials hide their rank and dress like common soldiers in the battlefield, otherwise they might get sniped first.

So yeah, we could go the homogenized realism-way, or you know, we could just go balls in crazy and creative way and stop bitching about skintight outfits in stories where people can throw cars at each other and get no scratch from a giant punching them through a wall.

>>87167922
All the tumblrettes do is draw gay fan art.

>>87168151
>realism is mutually exclusive to creativity
Y'know what? Fuck pretending to take this conversation seriously. Kill yourself.

>And they would all be indistinguishable. They
have to be, officials hide their rank and dress like common soldiers in the battlefield, otherwise they might get sniped first.
Idiot, the entire point of superheroes is that they are for the most part independent agents. If there's going to be any kind of uniform, it'd be among individual teams, and not even necessarily. The fact that you immediately assume that characters who wear outfits that are actually useful MUST look 100% identical only shows your own lack of creativity.

>>87166280
No, the point is to sell stuff to your audience so you can pay the rent.

>>87166169
>Why can't superheroines be cute or sexy anymore
Jealousy.

>>87166662
That's because Japan gives no fucks.

I hope they always continue to give no fucks. They seem to like money, so they probably will continue to not give a fuck.

>>87168244
I would rather kill myself than make a living off of sub-human trash jerking off to grotesque parodies of the human form.

These writers and artists should do themselves a favor and go get real jobs.

>>87168331
>grotesque parodies of the human form.
This is what Americans actually believe.

>>87168313
Well they also aren't on an uphill battle, their stuff sells enough to let them not care if someone is offended. I'm not familiar with the sales figures for comics but they're probably bad enough for the powers that be to try anything to get them up.

>>87168350
Comic book art is shit, and always has been shit. I love the irony of that one anon bitching about how all character would look identical if they stopped wearing the stupid skimpy shit. Because frankly, said outfits are the only things making it possible to tell them apart, since they all look the goddamned same otherwise.

>>87166169
because if i'm an ugly woman

every other woman has to be as well

>>87168455
>Well they also aren't on an uphill battle, their stuff sells enough to let them not care if someone is offended
It's completely the other way around. Japanese creators are allowed absurdly little creative freedom by their publishers for fears of upsetting their basement dwelling audience.

There are plenty of interviews where they say they want to try different stuff, but no, every chick needs to be a tsundere or a moe, every main character needs to be a blank slate, etc. There are exceptions of course, but on the whole the manga&anime industry is hilariously restrictive and ossified.

>>87166691
>but sometimes it's very obvious that the writer/artist is just playing up his fetish with his waifu,

And yet Claremont's X-men is one of most acclaimed runs in comics because of this.

Empowered is more relatable and endearing than 99% of Big Two female characters, and the main premise of her comic is getting tied up.

Meanwhile, you currently have Marvel trying to push Yaas Queen Carol.

>>87168557
You'd think the light novel/web novel format would allow them more freedom, but all I ever see is more of the same.

>>87166169
Because people who have never bought a comic in their life will get upset and hurt the reputation of the publisher via social media.

>>87168557
I misspoke, they can afford to offend people that aren't their core base because their core base will buy fucking everything no matter the price.

>>87168470
Goyd idea, let's encourage a thing that leads to shittier art instead of expecting comic artists to become better artists.

>>87168557
But moe can be alot things. I mean i hate tsunderes too with few exceptions but i have to say that manga is much more better than anime.

>>87168916
Modern tsundere are shit and they can be traced back to EVA.

The worst was that pink haired bitch in Familiar of Zero.

>>87168230

>at characters who wear outfits that are actually useful MUST look 100% identical

If you want actual realism, then they have to.

But you don't, you just want an excuse to get angry about some stupid costumes in a superhero story. You dont make a case for "female body armor", then to only make the body armor less skimpy but just as retarded in a practical sense.

>>87166221
>implying that isn't cute
Kamala is love

>>87166280
>Because the point is to tell a story, not to provide wank material for lonely nerds
You are wrong

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>>87169063
>If you want actual realism, then they have to.
You cannot be this stupid. You just can't.

Fucking obviously different outfits for different heroes will look different. Why the fuck do I have to point out the bleeding obvious to you?

>>87169137
Oh. That's why. That right there is why nobody reads comics.

>>87168996
I like one modern tsundere and that is Kurisu from Steins Gate

>>87168557
Manga is incredibly varied you dumbfuck. Japanese comics aren't a niche industry like western comics and aren't limited by needing to be merchandisable just to air like anime.

>>87167827
Wow that's was actually pretty well made and reasonable response, i'm proud of you anon-san.

>>87167922
I keep seeing people say that but none of then have an facts to back then self's up on it, can you prove yourself right or do you just want to bitch about random people on Tumblr.

>>87169425
I'm just glad we got rid of slut fire. Now that really read like someone's fetish.

>>87169244

>they should look different because they should look different.

Nice argument. You yourself bitched about skintight suits not being practical. Fucking brightly colored weird looking outfits arent practical. Army getup with camouflage colors and kevlars is practical. So if all of the heroes strive to be practical, they look more or less the same, you retarded piece of shit.

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>>87166662
Zero Suit Samus sucks, though.

She's more prominent in the fanbase than the Power Armor just because she's hot. It's like if all the art of RX-78 started waning in favor of lewd pictures of Amuro, shit is lame.

>>87169468
>You yourself bitched about skintight suits not being practical.
No I didn't you fucking retard. I said skimpy outfits are impractical. I got no issue with skintight stuff. It's a cape setting, so presumably it would be made of durable material that allows freedom of movement.

>Fucking brightly colored weird looking outfits arent practical.
It doesn't matter what fucking colors you're wearing when fighting giant robots and shit.

>Army getup with camouflage colors and kevlars is practical. So if all of the heroes strive to be practical, they look more or less the same, you retarded piece of shit.
Yes, because ALL military uniforms everywhere look exactly the same, no way at all to tell them apart. Again, you cannot be this fucking stupid.

>>87169581

>It doesn't matter what fucking colors you're wearing when fighting giant robots and shit.

So why should skimpy outfits matter? Fucking double standards with these SJWs here, shit.

>Yes, because ALL military uniforms everywhere look exactly the same

They do in the field with minor alterations because THE FUCKING POINT IS THE GETUP GIVES YOU CAMOUFLAGE. Jesus fuck this kid is retarded.

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>>87169425
Is that Shaggy?

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>>87169529
>She's more prominent in the fanbase than the Power Armor

source?

>>87166169
Stop reading Marvel, you fool.

>>87169647
>So why should skimpy outfits matter?
Because the skimpy outfits don't protect you from environmental hazards or temperatures, or in the case of some garments, getting shot or cut. Apparently, I'm the only one who remembers why humans wear clothing in the first place.

>THE FUCKING POINT IS THE GETUP GIVES YOU CAMOUFLAGE
MOST SUPERHEROES DO NOT NEED CAMOUFLAGE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT EMPLOY STEALTH. Seriously, I know it's hard for you, but do try to think.

>>87166169
We have cut and sexy
What are you talking about?

>>87169827

most people in the miltary don't use stealth either lmao. In the Navy they wear dark blue camo while riding around on ships. You know what that accomplishes? It makes it harder to rescue people who fall over board..

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>>87166169
What are you talking about?

>>87169772
source every-god-dang time i try to look up new metroid art

90% "here's ZSS being lewd and or tsundere with the smash character and or self-insert i want her to fuck"

it just reeks of "i think samus is pretty but i could give two shits about metroid"

>>87169827

>Because the skimpy outfits don't protect you from environmental hazards or temperatures

And latex does somehow. "oh but its superhero latex", well, the fucking superhero bikini can be tech-magic bikini. No excuse. Still lame double standards from an SJW like you.

>>87170009
As opposed to "Here's yet another close up portrait of the Varia Suit. Surely nobody has ever done this before."?

>>87170009
That is not the metroid fanbase then, that is the smash fanbase

>>87166221
>>87166273
Pakistan is not in the Middle East.

Not all Muslims are Arab.

>>87167827
>Stopping something oppressive and damaging.
And this is neither.

>>87166662
Thanks for giving an example of a ruined character, Anon. That's really convincing.

Like shit. I want to agree that people get too up in arms about sexy characters. But then I remember Samus. That shit is undignified.

>>87170009
I wish there was more femdom samus doujins.

>>87170077
But anon, as a self-proclaimed healty and functioning adult, I feel my self esteem hurt every time I see a drawing of a woman with mildly exaggerated proportions. Surely this is normal and important.

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>>87170042
As opposed to cool as shit art that's actually representative of the fucking series.

>>87170083
But Fusion is the only game in which Samus has a personality and that's where that costume is from.

>>87169529
>Zero Suit Samus sucks, though. She's more prominent in the fanbase than the Power Armor just because she's hot.
Hmm, which do you think is the easiest to draw...

>>87170123
That art is terrible though.

>>87170009
The reason you aren't seeing new metroid art is there aren't new metroid games.

Unless a fan makes one and it gets DMCA'd 24 hours later. You know the one.

ugh

can you just, like, not?

>>87170032
Again, comic books are visual medium. Show, don't tell. If the reader sees a character wearing a suit that looks to be designed for practicality, they can suspend their disbelief and assume it works to that purpose. If the reader sees a character in a glorified swimsuit, I will assume it's a glorified swimsuit, and not that it projects some bullshit magic forcefield that was never established.

>>87170183

>tfw GOTY gets a DMCA takedown

>>87170048
>Pakistan is not in the middle East.

>>87170191
>If the reader sees a character wearing a suit that looks to be designed for practicality, they can suspend their disbelief and assume it works to that purpose.

But it's not.

>>87170191

If I see someone in latex suit getting punched through a wall, I assume he's fucking dead at that point.

Again, no excuse. You're an SJW.

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>>87170139
As an aftergame bonus or if you get a game over, like in every Metroid.

It didn't get prominence until Other M and fucking Super Smash Brothers.

>>87170160
Now that's just contrarianism. Or horrific shit taste.

>>87170214
It's not. It's in Asia. Between Iran and India, neither of which are Middle Eastern either. You know it used to be a part of India, right?

>>87170218
Yes it is. Certainly more so than a swimsuit.

>>87170139
>But Fusion is the only game in which Samus has a personality
Oh not this bullshit again. I swear, people are just completely incapable of paying attention to anything that isn't dialogue being jammed in your face.

>>87170202
Give it a few more years, anon.
This kind of thing will stop surprising you.

This is why people get jaded.

>>87168557
>>87168580
I think this is, ironically, because they produce so much of it. If the editor of whomever is in charge, is spinning so many plates, they don't have the time or energy to put too much consideration into what will or won't work. They need to guarantee what they put out will sell, so they just make sure they produce what has already worked before.

I kinda wish all these guys would start independently making webcomics so they could produce more variety. But at this point I get the impression the whole culture has such a set idea of what manga "is", that it'd all be the same anyway.

>>87170275
Geographically yes. Politically no.

>>87170289
>Oh not this bullshit again. I swear, people are just completely incapable of paying attention to anything that isn't dialogue being jammed in your face.
You have to wonder how many of these people even touched Super Metroid.

>>87166169
Because the American Left has convinced companies that having female characters that look cute and sexy makes women and girls feel hyperconscious about themselves not being cute and sexy and that makes them hate the drawings, hate the product, hate the publisher, and hate anyone that is connected to the publisher in the slightest.

Seriously, this is the base reason. This leads to all the rest of the pandering to SJW by the non-SJW in the industry.

>>87169283
>I like one modern tsundere and that is Kurisu from Steins Gate
She's more of a kuudere with tsundere tendencies. Similar to Senjougahara in Monogatari.

I'm a little sick of slutty superheroes I've got porno for that, I just wanna read action adventure stories not fucking soap operas.

>>87170289
>anything that isn't dialogue being jammed in your face.
But that describes Other M to a T, and that's the only other game she really speaks in, aside from Prime's data logs and a short narration in Zero Mission.

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>>87170332
It's not politically part of the Middle East either. You don't even know what that means, you're just covering your ass by making shit up.

>>87170372
>But that describes Other M to a T
Do you think anyone's defending Other M?

>>87170289
Samsung was mute and without any personality in all but prime and fusion. In prime there's very little development.
You could infer she was a machine and be not far off.

>>87166468
Most of the guys are at least sexy. Cute is not something the artist practice very much--- just drawing abs on abs on abs and tight, powerful butts.

>>87170251
>Now that's just contrarianism.
Thw previous image has no consistent sense of lighting, and the level of detail is extremely inconsistent. And a single solid color =/= glowing lights.

>>87170233
>If I see someone in latex suit getting punched through a wall, I assume he's fucking dead at that point.
Then you have no ability to suspend your disbelief.

>Again, no excuse. You're an SJW.
Ah and here we see the classic tactic of spewing a meaningless label at someone in a vain attempt to automatically win the argument.

Not gonna work retard. You really should just admit at this point that you care far more about wank material than you do about the medium of comic books. Because that's the only plausible reason you're arguing so hard for this.

>>87170380
Please, tell me what Samus's personality in the pre-Fusion games is, beyond "Am bounty hunter, parents dead, must save galaxy."

>>87166169
The unholy SJW/Fundamentalist alliance hates anything fun or beautiful.

>>87170414
>Thw previous image has no consistent sense of lighting
Okay, so you're either blind or you don't actually know what that means.

They're clearly in a hole, so there's light coming from above. There's clearly another light source coming from the middle of the giant plant. And that's further compromised from the light in Samus's suit. It's only "inconsistent" in that there's multiple light sources, and I know you're not stupid enough to confuse the two notions, so don't try to bait people as if they don't understand the words you're saying like you're the only one in the world who took Art Analysis 101 in freshman college.

>>87170380
Politically Pakistan is caught up with most of the issues concerning it's Afghanistan neighbor; moreso than India. Largely Islamic state politics. Which is almost exclusively middle Eastern in origin.

All skintight costumes look like garbage and are designed by lazy artists who just want to draw pseudo-naked people without the effort of including folds in the clothes, outside of the capes, which are the easiest to do that with as a solid rectagular piece of cloth.
>they need to wear skintight clothes to be dynamic for their battles!
Stories that involve enough hand to hand combat that they somehow require the characters wear leotards are for teenagers. It's only somewhat justified for the ones that can fly at speeds where their clothes might come off, but even then, you've suspended your disbelief to that extent already, you'd have to be a raging pedant to complain at that point.

>>87170483
Oh I see, you made that piece and can't accept that it's amature as fuck.

>>87170424

>Then you have no ability to suspend your disbelief.

Neither do you since you have no ability to do so with the bikini.

>Because that's the only plausible reason you're arguing so hard for this.

SJW detected. Go back to Tumblr.

>>87170350
Seriously. Body language and subtlety are a dying art.

>>87170394
>very little development
There doesn't necessarily need to be any development. Some characters just have their shit together. In Prime alone, it's obvious that Samus is a serious, collected, and experienced mercenary, and later through the logs we learn of her connection to the Chozo. It's obvious what kind of person she is by facial expressions and body language.

>>87170394
>Samsung
I hate this phone.

>>87170512
>Neither do you since you have no ability to do so with the bikini.
Okay, then I guess I am to assume that all superheroes who wear skimpy clothing are adult children who see their chosen paths as little more than a game of dress up. Riveting.

>SJW detected. Go back to Tumblr.
You're really sticking to your guns on this, huh? Okay retard.

>>87170513
>body language
Ah yes, her sprite standing in its default pose while the baby metroid died truely spoke to me on a deep emotion level

You never played Super.

>facial expressions
Samus's face is not even rigged in any way other than her eyes blinking and moving in Prime. Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>87170576
>Okay, then I guess I am to assume that all superheroes who wear pajamas are adult children who see their chosen paths as little more than a game of dress up. Riveting.

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>>87170464
> "Am bounty hunter, parents dead, must save galaxy."
Those aren't personality, one's an occupation, one's a circumstance, and the third is a goal.

Her personality is that she's tough, steadfast, and resourceful, because you as a player have to be all those things in order to win the game with her. From some of her monologues in the beginning of Super Metroid you can tell that she's no-nonsense and that she can quickly react to a tragedy.

Since this is an old style of game similar to Legend of Zelda or Punch Out!, you're meant to self-insert a little as the character. So when the baby Metroid saves your life, what you're feeling is what Samus feels. Not necessarily as sentimental as all the fanart where she literally treats it as her baby, but enough that it's a significant part of the story that she saves it and it saves her life back.

Also, she's cool. You know she's cool because she gives you a thumbs up at the end of missions, and she could only pull that off by being genuinely cool.

>>87170513
>Body language and facial expressions
Im someone else. But.
She wears full body armor and a helmet in all the games and takes it off in the credit roll and in one scene in prime 1.

There's no personality. That's not a criticism of the game, I consider it a good thing for an action adventure series.

But there's no character that got ruined. Did other m make it worse? I'd say comparatively having little or no character is preferable in the setting, particularly in comparison to what (I'm told) was given in other m.

I can talk about all the games but other m, and saw very little character development. Again. For its setting, this is necessary.

But honestly I didn't play other m.

>>87170626
>Her personality is that she's tough, steadfast, and resourceful, because you as a player have to be all those things in order to win the game with her. From some of her monologues in the beginning of Super Metroid you can tell that she's no-nonsense and that she can quickly react to a tragedy.
Also, she really likes to pose like she's a fucking Kamen Rider, which can often be unintentionally funny.

>>87170626
So you're admiting that she has no personality beyond "gets the job done". And whatever the player projects on her.

And you're too dense to see how this defeats our own initial argument.

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>>87170510
No, I got it off Google.

But the fact that you resorted to that kind of response proves you really had no idea what you're talking about from the beginning, since you clearly had no back up plan for if anyone would actually address the points you haphazardly made.

>>87170678
>So you're admiting that she has no personality beyond "gets the job done".
So you're admitting that you're illiterate. Unless you honestly think personality in games have to be conveyed in exactly the same way as in movies or books. In which case I don't think you're ready for this conversation.

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>>87170678
>"Being professional and stern don't count as personality traits. Because I say so."

>another thread where capefags indulge their victim complexes over virtually irrelevant or nonexistent issues

>>87170726
In fairness, stern and professional isn't the same as empty or blank.

But they often are similar to one another.

>argument over a videogame character
Can you guys get back on the topic of comic books and perhaps cartoons?

>>87170499
>Politically Pakistan is caught up with most of the issues concerning it's Afghanistan neighbor; moreso than India. Largely Islamic state politics. Which is almost exclusively middle Eastern in origin.
None of which makes the country itself fucking Middle Eastern you dumb fuck.

>>87170738
If it's an irrelevant issie then there's no problem with latex clad ladies then.

>>87170576

>Okay, then I guess I am to assume that all superheroes who wear skimpy clothing are adult children who see their chosen paths as little more than a game of dress up. Riveting.

Thats the most retarded assertion ever. You can say the same about skintight bodysuits. Either you go practical or you dont. There is no middle ground.

>>87170765
Politically. Middle Eastern.
Geographically asian, technically.

Formerly part of the Persian empire.

>>87170760
Can the mods get rid of all the Jojo-fags who literally have their own general on this board?

No? Well then go right ahead and suck a fat one!

>>87166169
>Why can't superheroines be cute

Um they still are. In fact they may be too cute now. People on this board are starting to get annoyed with how cute and "quirky" some superheroines are now.

>>87170753
>But they often are similar to one another.
No they're not.

You MIGHT argue that they're FLAT personality traits. But that is not at all the same as NO personality traits. Sometimes it is better for a character to have a flat personality, such as in a video game where you being in exclusive control of them is a large part of its make-up (for example, in Super Metroid, because you're meant to emphasize fully with what the character is doing through, by indulging in the atmosphere of the game, as opposed to a game like say something like Tales of Symphonia where your control is very interchangeable between characters and you're really just following them around as you progress through their story).

>>87170802
The Persian Empire isn't Middle Eastern either! Christ! It EXTENDED towards the Middle East, but that's like saying the Roman Empire or the British/French Empires are African because they all had control of Egypt one point or another.

>>87170789
>Either you go practical or you dont. There is no middle ground.
Bullshit. Just because I'd prefer the characters to stop dressing solely to get nerds to masturbate, doesn't mean I automatically stop acknowledging that this is a story where people with super powers stick up a fat middle finger to the cops and enforce the law themselves. There is absolutely room for a middle ground. How fucking close-minded are you?

>>87170868
Persia centered around what's now Iran.
Which is and was most certainly middle Eastern.

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>>87170914
>Iran
>certainly Middle Eastern
It's fucking Asian, man.

Jesus christ. Who the hell taught you about countries? Who got it all so god damn wrong and then decided to convey that information to you?

>>87170946
>Iran isn't middle Eastern
I think you're trying to say the middle East is all Asia.

But.
Iran is 100℅ middle eastern.

>>87170946
but fuck head Iran is a middle eastern country. Just look it up and get corrected it's not gonna kill you

>>87170946

the middle east is in Asia, yes....

>>87166169
>cute
Sure.
>sexy
Sure.
>strippers
Nope.

>>87170983
>>87170990
I looked it up.
It's a West Asian country.
You fucking retards.
>hurr they're muslim so they're middle eastern

>>87170946
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East
You tried.

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>>87171006
Awesome get blown the fuck out now.

>>87171006
Do you know what middle eastern means?

>>87171001
>>strippers
>Nope.

get out

>>87171023
>>87171039
Fine.

But the discussion was originally about Pakistan, and as we can see, Pakistan is not there.

>>87171071
Strippers got more scars than a WWII vet.

Not what I'd call attractive but some people are into that ...I guess...

>>87170909
>How fucking close-minded are you?
Open minded enough to not get triggered by some skin showing. Sex appeal does not devalue a story. Fiction is fiction. Leave your practicalities at the door.

>>87170946
>>87170983
>>87170990
>>87170996


/co/ is extremely dumb and ignorant in general but:
Iran = middle east
Lybia = not middle east
Turkey = middle east
Pakistan = not middle east
Afghanistan = Not middle east
Qatar = middle east
Lebanon = middle east
Israel = middle east

>>87171112
>Israel = middle east
I think Israel has been politically rejected from all nearby geographical groups.

>>87171112
>/co/ is extremely dumb and ignorant in general but:

but you just agreed with 3 of the 4 people you replied to

>>87171082
Politically, Pakistan is tied to the same problems because of the form of government it has lends itself to the same issues. While not physically in that same region, they have been tied to the same political problems facing the middle eastern region it borders for many years now, as well as having people of very similar backgrounds populating the area.

>>87171111
>Sex appeal does not devalue a story.
It only serves to clutter it with unnecessary crap. Your typical comic has like 32 pages, meaning one does not really have a ton of space to waste. Unless it's important, it doesn't need to be there.

>>87171174
He said Pakistan is not in the Middle East, so he's actually agreeing AND disagreeing with ALL of them by various degrees.

>>87170909
>Just because I'd prefer the characters to stop dressing solely to get nerds to masturbate, doesn't mean I automatically stop acknowledging

False. You stopped acknowledging. Thats a fact. You make your own stupid rules on whats practical or whats not because you dont even know what the term means.

And making excuses just so you can nerds have less porn shows what an SJW you are. You're ready to be a dishonest little shit just to piss on the cereals of those who like cheesecake.

>>87171112
>Afghanistan
>Not middle East
Check again.

>>87171186
The fucking link you yourself posted excludes Pakistan, fuck off and have the dignity to admit you were wrong.

>>87170804
Why the fuck do you assume I support those guys? Jojo ALSO shouldn't be discussed here. Get back on topic.

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>>87171197

the people he replied to wee talking about Iran...

>>87171190
>It's impossible to have boobs and important dialogue at the same time.
Fundamentally wrong. Go watch Gunbuster.

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>There will never be a comic series where Samus retires and raises her baby

>>87171190
Tell me how a costume wastes page space, anon. Tell me how a costume wastes panel space. The only thing being wasted is time and energy on your part for being so butthurt about it.

>>87171235
One of those people brought up Iran in the first place because he thought Iran being Middle Eastern makes Pakistan Middle Eastern.

>>87171165
More nations acknowledge Palestine as a country than do Israel.

That's not to say I don't think it's not middle Eastern or hopelessly tied in their political problems, if not one of the sources of them.

But I thought it was relevant to add.

>>87171203
>You make your own stupid rules
I don't make up the rule that says characters who wear skimpy attire into combat look like morons. That's simple fact. I would never call my opinion nuanced, but certainly seems that way compared to your insistence on black and white thinking.

>And making excuses just so you can nerds have less porn shows what an SJW you are.
Nigga, there's never gonna be less porn, and I would never want that to be the case. Go right ahead and make more porn. Just keep that shit out of actual stories.

>>87171219
As I said. Several times.
Geographically. If you're looking at it solely from that perspective than yes.

>>87171264

ok so he agreed with 2 out of 4, still

>>87171293
No. There is nothing that makes Pakistan Middle Eastern. Even politically, it's a relatively recent off-shoot of India, and there is no way you're stupid enough to think India is Middle Eastern. If you can't accept the proof of YOUR OWN EVIDENCE, then you're just being a contrarian.

>>87171309
One of those two are the same person, but from a different time period. So really, he's agreeing with one person, but time-shifted.

>>87171253
It doesn't, but the focus on it certainly does. And no, you can't just have a skimpy costume that's just there, writers and artists cannot be trusted to not zoom in on it. It's like putting a steak on the ground next to a dog. Humans are simply too immature to not drool over tits and ass.

>>87171240
Gunbuster fucking sucks. Blow me.

>>87166358
>That costume was never "sexy" in the first place
This. Show me the navel dammit. It's like they drew Vampirella's costume backwards.

>>87171283
Your whole belief system is based on hypocrisy. You condemn others for thinking in black and white, and yet you yourself believe cheesecake should ONLY be in porn and NEVER in a story.

>>87171341
>It doesn't
So you admit to being wrong and are just making things up to be upset about.

Noted.

>>87171335
>One of those two are the same person

source?

>>87171361
It should be there if it contributes to the story or the tone of the work, but more often than not, it's remembered for all the times where the cheesecake clashes with the tone and diminishes the story as a result (for example, in stories where you're clearly meant to take the main character seriously, like in Dresdan Codak).

>>87171317
>Even politically
You can't deny their politics are tied at the hip with them.

>>87171341
>implying you've ever even heard of Gunbuster before this thread

>>87171381
I don't think I can share temporal anomalies over the internet, I might break something.

But if you go to New York Town Square at exactly 3:02 AM on December 11th, 2018, I will time travel there from the future, and show you exactly what processes went into having that poster make those two posts, one from the present, and the other from the Classical era.

>>87171361
Your definition of "hypocrisy" includes things like having an opinion on minority rights while having white skin. You use that word because it's an easy way to degrade people, not on things which are actually hypocritical.

>>87171403
Yes I can, because again, if they're tied at the hip with anything, it's fucking India. Merely having political issues with the Middle East does not make you Middle Eastern.

>>87171466
Have you not been paying attention to what Pakistan has been doing the past 10-

Whatever. It's not worth the argument.

>>87171452
>Stop hypocrite shaming
Couldn't help myself.

>>87171378
>"LALALALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU, LALALALALALALALALA"
Just stop. You have no argument.

>>87171418
Oh please, the only reason anyone ever liked Gunbuster is because they were 13 at the time. Noriko is a typical hot-blooded protagonist, the drama with Coach dying is honestly pretty forced and pointless, and the last episode is a waste of time that people desperately try to pass off as "art".

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>ctrl + f "Harley"
>0 results
Really? Am I missing something here?

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>>87171341
>Gunbuster fucking sucks. Blow me

>>87171572
I hate to say this because I understand that it's not a popular opinion but I dislike her and the joker.

Barring a couple non comic interpretations of the joker.
I'm sure that makes me a plebian.

>>87171555
>Noriko is a typical hot-blooded protagonist, the drama with Coach dying is honestly pretty forced and pointless, and the last episode is a waste of time that people desperately try to pass off as "art".
All of these statements are incorrect.

There's an interesting paradigm where you're supposed to be progressive and enlightened and like stories for reasons other than because of fanservice. But if the series has any fanservice whatsoever, then it's okay to regress it to being only that and it having no merits beyond that.

It's a double standard.

>200+ replies

HATE this board.

>>87171511
>Whatever. It's not worth the argument.
You're right, because your argument doesn't actually make Pakistan Middle Eastern. Glad to see you decided to stop wasting everyone's time with tangents.

>>87171782
>But if the series has any fanservice whatsoever, then it's okay to regress it to being only that and it having no merits beyond that.
Well, that IS usually the case, so it's certainly not unwarranted.

>>87171821
I'm not unreasonable. We're both adults. There's no reason we can't both come to a rational understanding.

>>87168557
Holy fuck how wrong could one man be?

>>87171283

And its a simple fact anyone who brings brightly colored latex outfits to combat is a moron. Or anyone who brings a cape to a combat is one. But you dont have a problem with that. Because you're dishonest about your intention. You dont give a shit about practicality, you just want women to dress in hijabis like the good SJW you are.

>>87171888
Okay, here's a rational understanding we can both come to:

Pakistan is not Middle Eastern, and you should stop trying to make up bullshit reasons to try and convince me otherwise, because I know Pakistan is not Middle Eastern, and you know I know Pakistan is not Middle Eastern, and at this point when you post evidence directly showing us both that the Middle East does not include Pakistan, then it is likely you yourself also know that Pakistan is not Middle Eastern.

Unless you give me fifty dollars. Then we can come to a completely different rational understanding, based on the fact that I willingly prostitute myself at any given opportunity. Otherwise, we'll have to drop it here.

>>87171452

Nice bait.

>>87171977
I just said that, yes.

>>87172113
Oh so you're saying you called me a prostitute, huh?!?

The nerve!

>>87172127
A pretty one.
:)

>>87171831
No, it's not the case. That's just critics being the truly shallow ones. If the message is to look past TnA to see the characters underneath, who's REALLY doing that? Because it's not the people focusing on them in the negative.

I like Dragon's Crown. Not because of Sorceress boobs, but because its a spiritual successor to Shadows over Mystara, one of my favorite beat em up games and is generally fun to play.
I recently started watching Keijo. Not because of the butts, but rather for the same reasons I liked Hajime no Ippo, Eyeshield 21, Air Gear, and even Yu-Gi-Oh; I like sports anime where the game gets made over the top with special effects.
I like the the Palmiotti Power Girl run. If I was only in it for the tits I wouldn't have dropped the book once Winnick took over and the story got so much darker and less adventurous.

At the end of the day a shockingly large amount of the people that complain about this shit don't actually care about character depth or quality of product. Which is why you end up with Captain Marvel. Doesn't matter that Carol's book is shit or that she's a garbage person in general, they took care of the fan service and she's not "problematic" anymore. Mission complete, right? We need a Black Widow movie! Sure, there's no powers, and no villian, or even the basic concept for what kind of story they'd tell, or even a particularly interesting design aesthetic to sell toys, but representation though!

I take it back. It's not a double standard. It's just hypocrisy.

>>87171209

Even Egypt is considered middle east more than Afghanistan.

Aside from dumb americans i don't think anyone can actually believe afghans are middle easters

>>87171971
There you go again with your rigid black and white mindset, thinking only in extremes.

>Because you're dishonest about your intention.
My intention is that I want characters to stop dressing like strippers,and that in my opinion the so-called "tacticool" style should be the default for superheroes. You are either somehow failing to understand that, or you simply want to label any and all opponents to your views as The Enemy, evidenced by your inability to understand grey areas.

>>87169468
Actually... skintight suits are scientifically proven to be the most practical for superheroics.
Army getup is extremely impractical because modern armies aren't setup for constant hand to hand combat and acrobatics. You wear that or "civilian garb" while doing the stuff daredevil does and you're begging to injure/sprain yourself.
Tacticool being practical for superheroes is mostly a meme.

>>87172155
A simple Google search reveals you're still wrong.

Check again.

>>87172180
1. Are you sure you mean tacticool and not practicool?
2. Is that stance unisex?

>>87172313
>something that tears easily is practical for hand to hand combat

Funny how real martial arts practitioners wear loose uniforms or what's essentially just sports underware. Guess we should tell them they've been doing it wrong.

>>87172443
>1. Are you sure you mean tacticool and not practicool?
Tacticool. Think Metal Gear.

>2. Is that stance unisex?
Of course.

>>87172483
>Think Metal Gear
I tried but now all I can seem to remember is Stupid Sexy Snake's ass. He's basically wearing paint.

>Of course.
It's not really an 'of course' man. A lot of people that pull that practicality shit only apply it to the women so it's worth asking.

>>87172472
In tournaments gis are worn.
But loose fitting clothing isn't practical in hand to hand as it lets people just grab you from anywhere onto anything.

>Tactical think mgs
Snake wore skintight latex in most of the games. The enemy soldiers (rank and file grunts) didn't have particularly unrealistic uniforms.

You're sure you mean Tacticool? Because I don't think that word means what you think it does.

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>>87172483
MGS isn't best example but I get you, I worked my ass off to get Quite's good costume.

>>87172699
She starts with the good costume.

>>87172609
Let me rephrase. Think of Metal Gear without the constant ass shots. ... Or maybe with. If you're not gonna stop being 12, at least give everyone something to look at. Still annoying as fuck, but at least it's fair.

>>87172742
So like...The Boss, then? That's practical?
Or Raiden, who literally only exists because Konami held a focus group of young women and said "How can we make this guy hot for you"?

>>87172735
Nothing against Naked Quiet, I just like her matching with the rest of Diamond Dogs.

>>87172848
I guess!

>>87172802
>That's practical?
In a superhero story? It's enough.

Seriously, I ain't asking for much here.

>>87172313

>Army getup is extremely impractical because modern armies aren't setup for constant hand to hand combat and acrobatics.

Army getup however, is set up for you to be able to do significant physical exercise under the strain of your gear while being protected from shrapnel. Acrobatics are perfectly possible once you just lose the top gear and you would know this if you had ever gone to army.

If its all about the acrobatics and hand to hand combat, then all superheroes should dress like real life pro-fighters, in very simple pants and bras.

But that still goes beyond the point. If you want something to look cool beyond being practical, then you might as well give characters a bikini because at that point its ridiculous already. Tacticool is just as ridiculous as the skimpy clothes. Characters don't look more practical in them whatsoever.

So either stop using the word practical altogether or stop fucking lying.

>>87172901
But metal gear sneaking suits are just superhero costumes with pouch vests over them.

>>87172901
So why is the 100% human but admittedly badass Boss's cleavage down to her crotch practical, but an already invulernable Power Girl having a comparatively smaller window impractical?

Or hell, let's compare baseline human with baseline human. Boss having her tits out to show off her scars is practical, Huntress having her midriff exposed for the exact same reason is not?

>>87170105
Same desu

>>87173152
>So why is the 100% human but admittedly badass Boss's cleavage down to her crotch practical
She only did that to be dramatic. Also, Power Girl's explanation for that is just about as fucktarded as most things in Metal Gear.

>>87173134
Yes, and?

>>87166169
Because women are vindictive and jealous by nature so they hate it when someone(even fictional) looks better than them.

>>87173260

>She only did that to be dramatic.

And superheroines do the same to be dramatic or look good in a scene. Your point is starting to go in circles.

>>87170946
that's a funny dancing goblin

>>87173367
>And superheroines do the same to be dramatic or look good in a scene.
Yeah, probably should've mentioned that it was fucking dumb too. I really like The Boss, but I hate acknowledging that she's a Metal Gear character, and thus does really stupid shit all the time like the rest.

Seriously, why didn't she just zip back up after showing John her scar? Was she just in full on "Fuck it." mode at that point?

>>87173260
It's starting to sound like what you really want is just more ammo belts, because that's the only functional difference.

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>>87172406
You are a fucking idiot at this point. This shit shouldnt be something you have to google , your education was shit, stay away from comics and cartoons and open a book.

>>87171186
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>>87171888
please stop wasting your time on that retard. He knows nothing about politics and has no desire to improve his knowledge.
And yes, I'm talking about the guy who can't understand that you can say that some countries share European values while not being situated in Europe. You're probably American, aren't you?

Because women have already made it known that it is unacceptable for heroines to have unrealistic bodies that shame women for not having.

>>87173576
That's not ALL I want. As I've said, I want superheroes to stop dressing like strippers so they look like they're taking this shit seriously.

But yes, you can bring up the 90s all you want, I like pouches. Never understood why people got so worked up over them. Capes really should be carrying around some gear. At least some cash and band-aids, damn.

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>>87173707
Supes keeps his wallet in a pocket on his cape.

What else could he possibly need?

>>87173707
>I want superheroes to stop dressing like strippers so they look like they're taking this shit seriously
I want the opposite to be honest, I'm tired of everything needing to be serious or realistic in stories about people flying around punching robots.

>>87173707
I personally want all of those olympic athletes to stop dressing like strippers so that we can take them seriously instead of parading around like sluts.

>>87173955
They don't count because they're a gaping hole in my argument.

>>87173947
The characters' regard for their job and the tone of the work are two separate things.

>>87173955
>>87173988
Olympians aren't going around in dangerous life or death scenarios fighting powerful enemies. It's not remotely the same thing.

And once the fuck again with that black and white thought process. You people are going to absurd lengths to justify your wank material.

>>87173134
Having pockets is a practical design

>>87172742
>If you're not gonna stop being 12, at least give everyone something to look at. Still annoying as fuck, but at least it's fair.

Metal Gear excels at that.

>>87169425
The weirdest part about this book is how everyone pretends she's "respectable" now, even though she acts like the most stereotypical blond bimbo airhead, and spends most issues in revealing outfits or various states of undress.

>>87166169
Because Tumblr.

>>87174174
Considering that most of the heroes are invulnerable or damage resistant, sprains and other sports related injuries are the biggest danger to their ability to perform. That still doesn't excuse them traipsing around like whores.
I thought you were my brother in arms against the rampant debauchery plaguing the olympics and comics that is poisoning the minds of young children everywhere but it appears that you are nothing more than a godless sodomite! The first thing on your mind is performing perversions upon ourselves. Report to the nearest pastor in proper altarboy attire to cleanse the filth from your soul!

>>87167827
Go be a feminist somewhere else.

Honestly capeshit is a horrible genre and I'm happy to watch it burn to the ground. There are much better comics out there

>>87166169
Because women are egocentric and self-loathing.

>>87174469
She acts pretty much like CN Titans Star, but a bit more racy.

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>>87166169

Superheroes can be sexy.
The argument here is that why aren't all of them at the same time like it was during the 90's where heroines going in bra and panties.

It's ok for that to exist if there's some room for it to make sense: Emma Frost, Starfire, Poison Ivy, Power Girl.
But you have to also keep in mind that some people want to see their idols as more than sex objects.
I miss Carol Danver being drawn by Frank Cho, but it never made any goddamn sense that a US Colonel wore any of that.

The other issue is the disparancy between the number of heros that demonstrate that sexual fantasy.
You got Herc whose half naked almost all of the time. The whose left?
Cosmic boy threw away his corset ages ago.
Batman only takes off his shirt to get tortured (and please let's not popularize that)
When has Starfox done anything recently?
Unless you're into space bikers, there's Drax.

The last time male heroes' physical attraction was used to sell a book was in Secret Six: Catman running around naked all of the time, every vuy was in their undies in a splash page at least once. Jesus, Bane out of all fucking people had female fans because he was sensitive and adopted a daughter. Bane. Think on that for a second.

So the matter of it is that Supers can and should be sexy. Just not all the time. And not just one gender should be either.

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>>87166674
Women never grow up.

>>87176130
>Emma Frost, Starfire, Poison Ivy, Power Girl.
The problem is they're asking for those to change too.
>If it gives men any sort of access to sexual or aesthetic release, it's wrong and it has to stop existing, period.
That's the narrative.

>>87166169
because SJW that don't even comics want to ruin everything.

>>87166358
>>87166280
Comics should have fanservice as a way to make it more visually and sexually appealing. If you get distracted that much by the story then your a retard who needs to kill themselves.

>>87166662
The one time i wish they weren't.
She should have stayed a bird.

>>87170626
It's like saying Link from OoT had personality.

It's also why WW Link is best Link.

>>87166169
Because female superheroes are now mostly drawn by men who respond to negative comments by women who don't buy comics.

Anytime you have female characters drawn by female artists they tend to be cute or sexy.

>>87166169
Atom Eve is cute, she's a cunt, but cute nonetheless .