Civil War II #6 Lettered Preview

>>87092874
If Cap is OK with his wanna-be murdered walking around, who is Carol to argue?

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>>87092881
>Just like Rhodey didn't do anything wrong
Um, how is that relevant to the discussion? Rhodey died because they were going after THANOS, who did everything wrong.

>>87092874
>This isn't your call
Man, carol fuck you.

>>87092889
Maria Hill is actually right.
What Tony and his team did was wrong. Especially since if you think about it, Tony and his team had nothing to gain from attacking the Triskelion. What was the point? If they had "won" the fight nothing would have changed unless they killed everyone or killed Ulysses.
Tony claims that Carol "literally" left them no choice, which is bullshit. They could have gone to the public and the media to try and pressure the government into shutting Carol's operation down, but their first instinct was to resort to pointless violence.

What is Carols problem?

He dindu nuffin

>>87092919
>They could have gone to the public and the media to try and pressure the government into shutting Carol's operation down, but their first instinct was to resort to pointless violence.

Literally what Steve did in the movie

>>87092899
Dude, that's Captain Hydra, he was trying to make Carol more emotional and irrational, he wants the fighting to continue.

>>87092952
She doesn't care, remember?

>>87092889
>Doctor Strange in the background
For what purpose is he there? Remember how he fucked off to the arctic in the original Civil War, simply because he was too powerful to take sides, and didn't wish to meddle in the affairs of normal metahumans?

>>87092889

HE A GOOD BOY HE DINDU NOFFIN

>>87093028
Now he has a movie and we gotta milk his character.

>>87093028
Well, since he's now a bumbling quip factory with barely any power, that's clearly not a problem now.

>>87092874
>Carol's mouth isn't even open
They had a fucking month to make sure this issue at least looked good

>>87092889
Tyke is a terrorist now

Just wondering
But is Cap still a Hydra lackey?

>>87093117
Yes, but I'm not sure if Bendis is writing this story with that in mind.

>>87093129
I dunno who's more of a piece of shit
Bendis or the guy who made Cap Hydra in the first place

>>87092889
Poor Kamala
Performing an act of treason for her crush and she's going to be cucked by a white girl

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>>87093143
I personally have no problem with Cosmic Cube-brainwashed Hydra Cap, it's temporary. It's basically like Superior Spider-Man only better since he's actually fooling everyone and manipulating events to his advantage. He's one of the biggest threats the MU could ever face.

>>87093143

>hating on cap hydra

I shiggy diggy

>>87092874
> you're a spiderman
guess it makes sense that Jane is a Thor

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>>87092874
>>87092881
Based Captain Hydra

Sowing dissent while playing the noble hero. I love it. Can't wait to see this happen from his perspective in next week's issue.

>>87092919
>Maria Hill is actually right.
Said no one, ever, I don't even care what you're talking about. Shut up.

>>87093197
He got his ass kicked pretty hard in Uncanny Avengers when he went up against Cable, Shaw, and Toad.

>>87092919
Cyclops disagrees

>>87093271
He's not dangerous because of his power levels, he's dangerous because of the damage he can cause.
And who's to say that Cable going rogue and disbanding the Unity Squad isn't part of his plan?

>>87093275
What do you mean?

>>87093286
>Capwank

>>87093311
Steve Rogers orchestrated Banner's death just so you know.

>>87092884
Best case scenario: CWII ends with a big Hydra attack and we finish with the Captain Hydra bullshit.

>>87092874
>>87092881
>>Guy who was victim of future scenario is fine
>>Carol is not
Just...seriously?

>>87093351
how and when he did it? where I can read this

>>87093380
Captain America: Steve Rogers #5

>>87093380
The Cap Civil War tie in. I shit you not, it explains the entire event. [Spoiler] Cap is manipulating the visions in order to push his agenda. [Spoiler]

>>87093368
He knows he is evil. Carol is being a good lil soldier

>>87093380
He sent Bruce Banner some notes and research on Gamma radiation that would suposedly be a permanent cure to encourage him to experiment on himself, knowing that this would trigger a vision from Ulysses. He knew that this would cause conflict and mistrust among the heroes and escalate the conflict, Clint acting on his own and killing Banner was just a bonus.

If this Cap stuff isn't referenced anywhere and plays no role in the conclusion of any repercussions it's pretty meaningless and just a sign of people doing whatever for tie ins

Kid Arachnid is so boring.

>>87092869
Oh boy, another week of expecting nothing before still being disappointed when the issue releases.

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Here's the current Bingo. Anyone wanna try to predict what issue 6 will give us?

>>87093979
>Kid Arach-Nig is so boring.
ftfy

>>87092889
I'm glad Maria is actually calling them on this, like what was Tony's plan here?

Him and his thugs literally just showed up to start a super fight, I don't even know what they were trying to achieve outside of beating up Carol

>>87092874
It's amazing how the knowledge of what's going on in a solo series can completely ruin a scene for you. Thanks to the stupid Captain Hydra arc going on every time Cap sounds like he's being inspirational, I can't help but write it off as him faking it to manipulate the situation. Hell just look at Sam Wilson: Captain America. He doesn't even give a shit about backstabbing some of his best friends

>>87094374
I predict well finally get that diagonal bingo from lower B to upper O...

>>87093368
This is Bendis Continuity, anon... No other continuities or character motivations matter but his own

>>87093394
I highly suspect that was just Spencer attempting to do damage control and salvage this event, much like Kelly retconning the "Tit-Missile" in A-Force

>>87093351
>>87093394
That's fucking stupid
>>87094837
>damage control and salvage this event
Your joke is very unfunny, becase what Spencer is doing is even worse. He isn't fixing anything, he is adding more fuel to the fire and not the good kind of fuel. But the ones that releases a lot more black smoke

>>87094374
G1 is guaranteed. We'll get G2 if Mockingbird shows up.

>>87092869
I dropped this event after issue 2...has it gotten better?

>>87094902
Personally, I'd rather have a complete fuckfest of an event that can only smoulder in its own ashes than an event crafted from literal shit that is paraded around like a work of art.

>>87094959
Of course not.

>>87092869
I... I think CW2 may be turning me into a Captain Marvel fan...

Not because of the book itself mind you... It's more out of pity. I feel so bad for what Bendis' doing to her character and all of the work her previous writers have put in...

No character deserves this.

>>87094959
It's looking to become one of the worst events in Marvel's history. It's Infinity Crusade bad. It's almost Ultimatum bad

>>87092980
Pretty sure it was Tony's team and his side that resorted to pointless violence, they always attacked first too.

Also Panther wanting to kill Bucky and later Tony didn't help.

>>87095060
>>87094980
Holy shit.

>>87092889
Finally kamala

>>87094980
>, I'd rather have a complete fuckfest of an event that can only smoulder in its own ashes
And the Captain America thing is not helping the event doing that

>>87092889
>calling a muslim a terrorist
Cmon Maria. Don't be racist

>>87093298
Were running out of time what do you mean?

>>87093271
He probably didn't plan that but in the end he used that as an excuse to remove himself from the team he fought so hard to keep together (even when Rogue, Wolverine, and Thor separated from his team and also went behind his back to fight a bad guy)

He also fought hard to keep Wade in the team and that was all before Kobik Hydrated him so yeah he fucking used this as a shitty excuse to disband the team and leave.

Makes sense too because that way he doesn't have to be in a team amd owe people any explanations for anything.

>>87093197
>only better since he's actually fooling everyone
Ock Spidey fooled everyone too.

>>87094481
>Stupid Captain Hydra arc
Pleb

>>87094902
Meh I liked it, makes the fallout of Hydra Cap better.

Don't give a shit about CWII tho.

>>87095244
True, but SpOck only fooled everyone because everyone was an idiot. Everyone noticed that Spider-Man was acting strange, but most people didn't realize what should have been obvious.
Steve on the other hand is acting the same way he's always acted, nobody has noticed anything and they all trust him as much as ever.

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>>87095034
But anon, she's the greatest. That's what they call her. Yaas Queen!

I died a little inside typing that.

>>87092869
Wait did they change the cover to the round shield only to change it back again?

>>87094481
>Caring about anything CWII in the first place

That's your own damn fault then

>>87094902
It's not THAT stupid. All Cap does is send Banner some Gamma research anonymously to prompt him doing research on it, which is why Ulysses had the vision of Banner Hulk instead of, you know, the guy who's actually the Hulk right now.

>>87095327
Not a matter of caring about the event, it's more so an issue with Cap's inspirational speeches being ruined by meta knowledge

>>87095353
And Cap just KNEW that Ulysses would have these visions?

>>87095444
He played the odds and it worked out for him.

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>>87095034

>>87093358
>>87092999
>Implying Bendis bothers to read other comics

>>87095444
He assumed that Banner hulking out again and going on a rampage would be a big deal, and as such Ulysses would see it.

>>87094481
>Stupid
Its a fantastic arc anon

>>87095034
Now you see what Bendis does to characters.
He just makes them act like idiots, completely against their true nature, in order to wring fake drama out of situations.
He doesn't make stories, he just makes characters act stupid.
He's done it before.
Disassembled.
House of M.
Dark Reign.
Age of Ultron.
All just characters being idiots and turning it into fake drama.
He has to be stopped.

>>87095034
I'm at the same boat. It's not Carol but her being the example of the amount of freedom Marvel gives Bendis and how he abuses it. Imagine if it was your favorite hero/character in Carol's situation.

>>87095444
Ulysses was already having the visions.
Cap set up Banner in order to create a "distracting" vision, so that Hydra could continue operating without fear of Steve being found out.

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>>87095711
My favorite hero WAS in Carol's situation!
It almost destroyed her.

>>87095711
There's a chart out there that lists characters who were made popular by much better writers and were subsequently ruined by Bendis.

But I don't have it on me.

>>87095737
Once again, someone else managing to make a more convincing narrative out of this slog.
Not to mention the fact that Ewing has been running 24/7 damage control with his Ultimates book so that Carol doesn't look completely Pants on Head retarded.

>>87095783
90% of tie-ins are either on cleanup duty or straight up saying "this entire event is fucking stupid and we don't want to be doing it".

You know what I can't take it!
They drummed Remender out of Marvel for less egregious shit than this! All that bull crap tumblr got pissed off again the M-Word and implications of Sam committing statutory rape. (Which was all just people not understanding comic btw). And finally he couldn't take it and he quit working for them.
Why can't they get all pissed off at Bendis? They could make HIM leave Marvel.
Maybe they need a little push.

>>87095398
Well he is still inspirational and still right, he just has bad intentions now which makes him a dangerous villain.

I honestly like it

>>87095711
>It's not Carol but her being the example of the amount of freedom Marvel gives Bendis and how he abuses it. Imagine if it was your favorite hero/character in Carol's situation.

Carol has been unfortunate to be handled by incompetent writers. I know she's not a huge fav among the Marvel heroes but she was a character with substance when Claremont, Busiek and Reed handled her. Marvel handing her over to KSD, Bendis and now Stohl makes me feel so bad for her. The hate she gets can be traced back to Marvel pimping her out so bad they're shoving Carol shaped dicks into the reader's mouth and ignoring the gagging sounds.

>>87095481
He bothered to at least pay attention to Captain Hydra because it seems from solicits that he is going to add that to his new CWII ending and that Jessica Jones might tie to it too (she discovers a horrible Hydra secret).

Not surprised if the editors decide to screw over Spencer to satisfy Bendis' desires, Alonso even said that when something us piched it is always offered to Bendis first to see if he wants it.

>>87095899
>Stohl
We've seen none of her writing. Don't accuse her of molesting Carol prematurely.
Like, in all likelihood it's going to be shit, but the current run's good.

>>87095986
> YAAAS
Is enough to accuse

Also she wrote a near average Black Widow novel. Her tone does not fit Carol. We'll probably get a mix of KSD and Liu. Liu being the good part of the mix.

>>87093197
whats happening with cutie Quasar?

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>>87095986
>>87096037

>>87096037
>Her tone does not fit Carol.

This is dumb, any skilled writer can change up tone.

>>87096050
For real though, has she appeared in anything since Standoff?

Did they just decide not to do anything with her? Or are they saving her for the NEW stuff.

>>87096111
> This is dumb, any skilled writer can change up tone.
> implying Stohl is skilled enough

>>87095960
>Not surprised if the editors decide to screw over Spencer to satisfy Bendis' desires, Alonso even said that when something us piched it is always offered to Bendis first to see if he wants it.
I
AM
SO
PISSED-OFF
RIGHT NOW
YOU GUYS,
SERIOUSLY!

>>87096037
I thought writers weren't responsible for the solicits.

>>87096171
Reminder that if Hasbro hadn't given the ROM license to IDW we could've been looking at Bendis-Rom.

>>87096050
>>87096136
She's made one cameo in Steve's book, and she's getting an issue focused on her in the future.
Naturally, this is enough to make /co/ accuse Spencer of OC pushing.

>>87096205
I haven't read a lot about ROM, but I've heard good things. Good for him. IDW does quality work and has no Bendis.

>>87096216
I'd kinda like to see her get her own book. Anyone doing Cosmic characters that isn't Bendis is a godsend.

>>87095299
Do you want to blame the writers of the next Capt. Marvel book for trying to salvage from Benis as much as possible?

>>87095823
Hell, MAA even made an entire tie-in event to let everyone know how stupid the entire event was.

>>87096334
>trying to salvage from Benis as much as possible
But that's not what's going to happen.

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>>87095711
>her being the example of the amount of freedom Marvel gives Bendis and how he abuses it. Imagine if it was your favorite hero/character in Carol's situation.

My waifu already suffered Benis' incompetency. I think her advantage was that she's not Marvel's top whore back then the way Carol is right now. Damage control for Carol will be quite a challenge.

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>>87096413
>No more mutants.

I just thought of something. What if the big anti-X, pro-Inhuman push ISN'T actually the result of Marvel and Fox bickering over movie rights?

What if it was Bendis the whole time? What if he's been demanding event after event of the decimation of mutantkind so that he can bring Inhumans into the forefront?

>>87096468
The Inhumans part is all Marvel. They were the ones who pushed the movie idea in the first place, when Feige wasn't all that hot about it.

The Mutants side is something Marvel, starting with Quesadilla has been wanting to do since the early 2000s. The MCU kicking off and movie rights just made it more blatant.

>>87096459
Wow, Carol actually looks attractively feminine here.

>>87095836
They ARE pissed at Bendis. I mean, nobody I ever saw on tumblr had a single good word to say about Civil War II.And Bendis psised them off with the whole psycho fangirl from Spider-Man. Its jsut that nothing can move this guy, no amount of rage.

>>87096589
That's why you start flinging rape allegations.

>>87096459

THIS IS FUCKING PLAY BY PLAY FROM CIVIL WAR 1

GOD BENDIS YOU ARE SUCH A FUCKING HACK I HATE THIS SO MUCH WHY ARE YOU ON SO MANY BOOKS

>>87095775
>There's a chart out there that lists characters who were made popular by much better writers and were subsequently ruined by Bendis.

Anybody has this?

>>87096286
James Roberts is IDWs Bendis.

>>87096459
Doctor Strange, the glorified teleporter!

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>>87096655
found it

>>87095711
I'm a Guardians fan and my comic waifu is Mantis. The last couple of years have been fucking torture.

>>87093242
The difference is that there's no article here. Miles is THE Spider-Man. Jane is A Thor.

>>87096945
Thank you

>>87096945
You know, I gotta wonder what the origial plan was for Secret Invasion and Dark Reign before Ellis did Thunderbolts.

>>87097007
>The key word is real!

>>87095836
>M-Word
Mutie?

>>87097342
I'm waiting to see what the actual dialogue will be, I'm hoping the real page won't be like that one.

>>87095711
I wish Bendis will taste his own medicine by having another writer fuck around with his Riri, Miles and Jessica Jones.

>>87094481
The "Steve is actually behind everything" subplot of CWII is pretty much the only redeeming factor besides the art.

>>87097426
>implying anyone at Marvel has the clout to stop Bendis vetoing them

>>87097426

>Riri, Miles and Jessica Jones

no don't you see. They're walling him off. The Bendis corner of Marvel. It's a long game though.

>>87097492
Hey, a lot of the tie-ins have been pretty great.
We got Sam Wilson's book picking up, Captain Marvel and Ultimates actually making Carol's position understandable, Chulk pissing off SHIELD for a laugh, two members of Nextwave coming back including the Captain, the entire Kingpin mini...

>>87097504
Is Bendis like a lead writer, boss etc or something, what exactly gives him so much clout?

>>87097582
He has dirt on many of Marvel/Disney higher-ups.

>>87097582
I think it's just seniority and him having a recognizable name.

>>87097635
Also this, probably. I'm sure he's got a few photographs of Perlmutter that are going to go public the moment Bendis gets fired.

>>87096311
If she's well received, maybe she'll get a spin-off when this is all over. I don't mind as long as they keep Wendell around as a mentor for her. Part of what I loved so much about Wendell's adventures as Quasar in his old ongoings is that he had this kind of naive wonder to him. He was interacting with gods and unimaginable cosmic entities on the reg, yet he both stayed very human. Now that he's got as much experience as he does under his built you'd kinda lose some of that "experiencing the impossible on each new adventure" vibe his earlier adventures had because he's been around the block so much and kind of seen it all, so I don't mind having him in more of a mentor role.

Wendell can be Avrill's Ego. As long as he sticks around as a major supporting character, maybe a flashback issue or two, then I'm cool with it. I like her design well enough, and the few appearances she's had have all been solid.

>>87096361
deets plz

>>87096193
Most are not. Every once in a while, the writer will write their own solicits. Hickman wrote his own solicits for Secret Wars, for example.

>>87096468
Bendis has shown zero inclination of caring about the inhumans. He likes Black Bolt because he's a character made for beat panels, but that's about it.

Meanwhile, Kitty Pryde is his favorite Marvel character.

>>87097052
Really? Because Celestial Quest is way worse than anything that's been done with her in the last couple years.

>>87097582
He's a writer with a lot of connections, seniority, and name recognition. Like him or not, he's arguably one of the most well-known current comic writers and has been for the past decade. In many ways, he's to writing in the comic industry to what Rob Liefeld was for art.

But the main issue is that he has absolute loyalty. He has no intention or inclination of ever writing for anyone besides Marvel. He's never going to jump ship and will stick with them through thick and thin. In comparison, pretty much every other good or notable writer they've had has gone off to do creator owned books.

That's the comic market these days. You work for the Big 2 to get name recognition then go off and do creator owned books with the fanbase you got from capeshit hopefully following. Bendis is to Marvel what Johns is to DC, really.

>>87097538
THEY GAVE HIM DOCTOR FUCKING DOOM

>>87097426
/co/ who would you give bendis pet projects to for the extreme lulz?

>>87098028

yeah but lel marvel diminishing the ff meme.

yeah i got nothing with him on iron man actually you're right.

>>87098030
Frankly, I'd just get every writer at Marvel to pitch a direction for Riri or Miles that made them into actual characters with their own niches instead of props for bland stories to happen around.
I'd probably let him keep Jessica in the hope that he could bring back some of his writing skill from Daredevil/USM to her.

>>87098030

Chuck Austen. Kate Leth. Ales Kot.

>>87098030
Lobdell before Rebirth if we're talking about actual writers. Chris Chan if I can hire someone.

Or maybe one of the writers here >>87096945 so we can see them do a better job than him.

>>87098133
Austen is friends with Bendis though.

>>87097542
Here's the thing, all of these books would have been just as good if not better without the CWII tie-in. The Ultimates arc has been great, but it would be better if they could be off having crazy cosmic adventures instead of having to spend half of every issue recapping CWII shit and trying to do Damage Control for Carol.

What does Sam's book gain from the CWII tie-in? We lose out on the two scenes where Tony and Carol try and tell Sam to join them? There's some parallels between CWII and what he's going through sure, but the Americops plotline would have happened with or without CWII.

That's what it really comes down to. The CWII aspects haven't really enhanced any books. Chulk, Nova, some of the tie-in minis, have all had some good stuff thanks to CWII, but for the most part, it's a bunch of books that were already good having to derail their stories to accommodate a worse one.

The Ultimates CWII tie-in is good. Whatever Ultimates arc we would have gotten if CWII wasn't a thing probably would have been way better. People like to bitch and moan all day about Marvel not having any good books because of a handful of really awful ones, but there were plenty of solid books going into CWII that were worth reading and then in comes CWII to collectively drag the entire line down. An event is supposed to prop books up, but instead it's just sapping the life out of them for sustenance.

>>87098148
>Lobdell before Rebirth
When will this "Lobdell is good now" meme end? He's still the same Lobdell he's always been and nothing he's currently writing says otherwise. Lobdell has written decent to good books before, just look at Generation-X, but an occasional decent book doesn't change his mediocrity and erase away his proven track record.

>>87098197
Good point. But then the same probably goes for the Steve twist, right?

Really, I think the best part of CWII has been the independent minis and one-shots like Kingpin The Accused, The Fallen, and some of the Choosing Sides stories.

>>87098030
Mockingbird just to see if he could possibly make it any worse.

>>87097368
The whole Alex saying he didn't like the word Mutant, which was actually pretty similar to stuff Scott said years ago, made a bunch of people on tumblr pissed off. Then Remender responded by telling them to drown in hobo piss, because he thought they were just trolling him, and that made more of tumblr pissed off until Remender realized he wasn't being trolled and apologized.
But by the time it got cleared up a bunch of tumblrdrones were already on the fuck Remender bandwagon. That and other shit like people not realizing how much time Captain America was trapped in Dimension Z and by extension how old Jet Black was when she hooked up with Sam Wilson (so basically more people who don't read comics being offended by shit they didn't actually read) eventually spiraled more and more until Remender finally said "fuck it" and went to go work on his own personal stuff.
What I'm saying is, why can't they do something like that to Bendis? Use their annoying self-righteousness and minimal understanding of comics to get Evil Uncle Fester to quit Marvel.

>>87096621
We don't need rape allegations. We just need to get people to get pissed off about something Bendis wrote. Something innocuous that he wrote that tumblr will extrapolate into hate speech or whatever they get into a tizzy about.

>>87097492

Steve's not behind everything. he's also thrown into the wild shit and salvaging the best he can.

just like spencer and other writers are dealing with bendis

>>87098453
>that parallel

Damn.

>>87095899
>The hate she gets can be traced back to Marvel pimping her out so bad they're shoving Carol shaped dicks into the reader's mouth and ignoring the gagging sounds.

Thanks for the mental image, anon.

>>87098256
>But then the same probably goes for the Steve twist, right?
Not really. Captain HYDRA manipulating CWII into happening shows how much of a massive threat he is. It's the one thing that benefits from CWII. Playing both sides against each other is great for the story Spencer is telling.

>>87092874
>>87092881
if this is what cap's hydra is, sign me up

>>87094374
G5 was issue 1.
The party scene probably doesn't count for b5 but it totally could.

>>87098405
The m word thing was legitimately stupid and he had no idea why it sounded dumb.

It wasn't just a Tumblr thing. A lot of people saw how retarded it was, and how it makes no sense in that world as there's nothing inherently bad about he word Mutant in Marvel context and it's not the "m word". It's a legitimate distinction

>>87097007
Somebody please save this. I want to see how accurate it is when the story time happens.

>>87095630
Was Dark Reign really that bad?

>>87096945
To be fair, JMS' Thor wasn't all that great once it stretched for too long and the villains were revealed.

>>87098030
Um... Chuck Austen? Millar? Morrison? Frank Miller?

>>87098256
The Herc one was cool.

>>87097683
>If she's well received, maybe she'll get a spin-off when this is all over.
>Implying that's a factor for Marvel now
Anyway, it didn't work for Phyla, though to be fair Wendell was kept dead by then. If you wanna avoid some hate, gotta have him as a fixed character in some Cosmic book at least.

Or rather just give her her own mantle.

>>87099607
Well perhaps not, but from the perspective of the conceit of "the only story he knows how to do is people act stupid and out of character" it fits.
I mean, who in the Marvel Universe would be stupid enough to think putting Norman Osborn in charge of SHIELD is a good idea?

Also I'd bet dollars top donuts it's another case of someone else's idea that Bendis stole, or that Marvel gave him first dibs to write.

>>87092869
You guys think maybe we can blame Bendis for the Riri cover that was deemed "too sexy"?
That might get him butthurt.

>>87101846
Dude, who the fuck cares? We're all tired and he clearly doesn't give a fuck anyway. We're content to just let the titles he's writing after CWII fade into obscurity and die.

>>87101846
lol yeah that would be like so epic XD!!

>>87101895
It's not about getting rid of his books! It's about getting rid of him! If he gets enough fan hate generated at him, he'll just quit Marvel all together! Then we can finally be at peace.

>>87099607
The stories themselves weren't bad, but you still have to deal with the logical leap of "Who the fuck would think that making Norman Osborn top cop of the world is a good idea?!"

>>87092874
>Why did you pull your mask up?
>To remind the readers I'm black

>>87101934
Nature abhors a vacuum, Anon. Somebody would take his place.

>>87101934
That'll also happen if the last titles he's allowed to touch after this dumpster fire of an event sell like shit. He needs less fucking attention and I'm more than willing to follow through on that once CWII is over.

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>>87093151
>Kamala not saving her self for Bruno

Noone wants you on this board, Bendis.

>>87093143
Dude no hydra cap has been a great story

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>>87092889
Once again Kamala there for her man.

>>87092889
Hill should just put a gun in her mouth already. She must be the worst agent SHIELD ever produced. I thought she would be in a jail cell by now. What happened? Wasn't she going up on charges related to the incident with the Cosmic Cube?

>>87092869
God this event is so crap, that it's basically unreadable. Someone must be really a shill to spend money for such a Bendis created garbage.

>>87096286
Look up Mairghread scott

>>87095034
her biggest rape since Avengers 200

>>87096945
Neither ares or thunderbolts were ruined

>>87099184
Heres the thing thats not qhat alex was saying he was saying the facts hes a mutant should make him distinguishble from the other super heroes, his words and deeds are what matter

You like all the tumblrtards just hearx what you wanted and ran with it just like the sam fucking jet thing

>>87095034
Hasnt carrol always been a faccist ass hole though?

>>87092919
>nothing would have changed unless they killed everyone or killed Ulysses.

You don't have to kill Ulysses to stop using him. Just pay attention and look out for the worst case scenario. Ulysses isn't the problem here, Carol is.

And fuck shield. Every other month they're the bad guys.

>>87096507
What. She looks exactly like the oldest son from Home Improvement

>>87101936
Considering the presidental aministration at the time and the fact mu civillians are asss holes it makes plenty of sense

>>87092980
>Literally what Steve did in the movie

The public didn't want to shut down Shield in the movie, well, not the last one anyway, they wanted Steve to stop running around doing whatever in the fuck he wanted to. You know, since he kept letting massive amounts of civilians die in his operations.

>>87094441
>Him and his thugs literally just showed up to start a super fight

Him and his thugs showed up to break an innocent woman from an extra-judicial flying gulag. That lady had rights. Rights that Shield under Carol were shitting all over. Heroes are supposed to take down assholes, not be them.

>>87102451
I understood the Sam/Jet thing.

Alex's speech didn't make sense in any way given the context of mutants in the MU. And calling it "The M-word" is cheap as fuck allusion that once again makes no sense and comes off like saying mutant is some sort of slur.

>>87102220
>Bendis shipping the most popular teen female right now with his OC

I think Bendis is losing his chub for Kitty's kitty and wants to stick some infidel meat in Kamala's mouth.

>>87102921
If you mean his own, no idea if her religion allows her to have pork.

>>87102641
Nightcrawler bamfed her out before the fight even started. At that point Tony should have had everyone pack up and go home, or do something distracting other than starting a fight.

>>87102705
Yes it dose make sense

Why dose the fact that alex powers are genitc make him any diffrent then cap.

It dosent and it shouldnt. He should be alex, super hero first and formost

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>>87103379
It doesn't, but the joke is that she loves the smell.

Pic related.

>>87102313
>Mairghread
Who in the hell names their kid this? Is it some kind of bungled spelling of Margaret? What an airhead.

>>87103677
Poor thing... kudos for resisting the lure of bacon, though. She could be a Green Lantern easily.

>>87103978
Just don't let her near Hal.

Actually, with her shapeshifting powers, she could theoretically be a Green Lantern. Just with flesh instead of hard light.

>>87103520
Yeah, but I think Bendis realized that 5 issues in and no big fight would be bad. People were already complaining about the pacing and that there was nothing happening. So he forced a fight that really never made sense.

>>87104224
Flesh Lantern.

>>87092881
fucking savage, Cap

>>87105717
>Flesh Lantern.
Is that like a fleshlite?

>>87092907
I think I hate Marvel's character assassination of Carol in CW2 more than I hate their character assassination of Stark in CW1.

>>87103520
>Nightcrawler bamfed her out before the fight even started. At that point Tony should have had everyone pack up and go home, or do something distracting other than starting a fight.
This is true...

>>87104767
>Yeah, but I think Bendis realized that 5 issues in and no big fight would be bad. People were already complaining about the pacing and that there was nothing happening.
...but this is true too. Remember Age of Ultron? Issue after issue after issue of literally nothing.

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>>87094374
Does this count as I3?

>>87106621
Tie-in, so no.

>>87103520
>Nightcrawler bamfed her out before the fight even started.

You don't just rescue the hostage, you stop the hostage takers. That's pretty basic, isn't it?

>>87106691
The only way for Tony to stop Carol is to either kill or imprison Ulysses or kill or imprison everyone on Carol's side. Neither of those are the communicated goals of Tony's team. They just fight because it's the halfway point and something needs to happen.

>>87092869


This look very badly

Martha name in Marvel way

>>87101954
Hopefully someone who knows how to write comics.

>>87105717
Ouch

>>87106258
Let's not go THAT far...

>>87092874

>I couldn't breathe

>>87109710
Kid was hyperventilating. I guess he's not cut out for this type of shit.

>>87107851
>kill or imprison

Not even. All he has to do is show that he can remove anyone they arrest without real cause at any time. Like he did. He doesn't have to kill anyone, he just has to humiliate them.

And what is it with yoh guys and killing Ulysses? He's not the problem. It's how Carol uses him that's the problem. Let the dude have regular old doomsday precognition and stop trying to use him to stop jaywalking ffs.

If you use that guy right you'd have an early warning system for someone like Thanos. Try to use him to stop all murder everywhere and you're going to have to stomp all over civil liberties to make it happen.

>>87109605
No >>87106258 is right.
And it's not just Carol's ridiculous minority report bullcrap that's offensive, it's Tony's characterization too.
Say what you want about Tony's behavior in Civil War (the inter-dimensional gulag he put a bunch of his buds in was kind of too far) but as far as motivation, it's clearly laid out. Tony could see the way the Government was going and saw that if the super hero community didn't play ball it would be disastrous. It still ended up disastrous, but Tony was hoping to mitigate the problems. He does everything he can to try and reach a peaceful conclusion. He even let down his guard long enough to try and persuade Steve, which unfortunately led to him getting tricked, but the fact that he was willing to try shows a tremendous amount of good will towards the other side. I might disagree with Civil War Tony, but I respect the hell out of him.
Civil War II Tony is clown shoes. He sees the problem with predictive justice, which anyone with two brain cells could see to be honest, but instead of trying his best to mitigate such a problem by for example working with Carol and Ulysses to better understand his powers and try to calculate if his predictions could be flawed, he just flies off the handle. He screams "MUH RHODEY", kidnaps a kid, and basically loses all credibility.
Not to mentions he keeps screaming shit like "You can't mess with the natural order." Really? The guy in the robot suit is gonna preach about the dangers of messing with the natural order? So not only does this Tony act like an idiot, he acts like a hypocrite. Especially considering he already made a device that simulated Ulysess' powers back in his Force Works days. Yeah, it was powered by Chaos Magic. Look it up, cause I can assure you Bendis didn't!
Civil War II has done the impossible. It has made me long for the days of Civil War.

>>87102400
underrated

>>87104224
you mean.... Hal-al?

nyuck nyuck

>>87102478
Yes, but she knows how to listen to her friends and advice. She's not that dumb. She's hyper disciplined toward herself and sometimes it goes beyond self and affects how she deals with people. Giving her leadership was a bad idea. Carol is not a diplomat. She solves things with her fist first.

>>87109964
>All he has to do is show that he can remove anyone they arrest without real cause at any time. Like he did.
In that case Nightcrawler should have bamfed her to the top of the building, Stark should have told Carol that he would free anyone she unlawfully detained and then they all should have fucked off. Instead Nightcrawler fucks off with the woman, Tony ignores the actual issue and just starts fighting.

>And what is it with yoh guys and killing Ulysses?
It's the only way to 100 percent end the conflict because without him there are no visions. As long as he's alive he will have visions and the core conflict of CWII will be present.'

>you use that guy right you'd have an early warning system for someone like Thanos
Literally his first appearence, and Tony thinks it was a bad idea.

>>87110544
A show of force. There's nothing wrong with that. He didn't try to blow the helicarrier out of the sky: he merely showed up and showed that he had the power to fuck up their "arrest everyone Ullysses dreams about" plan. Carol needs to be made to stop. Talking obviously has not worked.

The conflict is over how those visions are used. Not over him having visions. Tony isn't objecting to looking into the future, he's objecting to arresting people and/or killing them based on it.

Tony was just mad about Carol's totally shit team leading that got his buddy killed. The other things he's objected to have been showing up with an army and killing people like Bruce and arresting people and holding them without evidence based on a vision.

None of that was Ullysses's fault. It's not the visions that's fucking things up. It's Carol's haphazardly doing things about the visions that keeps killing Tony's friends.

(You'll have to excuse my lack of quotes, in bed on my phone)

>>87110769
His "show of force" makes no sense because he shows up and starts punching, there's no explanation of why he's doing it and no clear goal. What's he going to do if he wins? Tell Carol he can do a repeat performance if need be and strut off? What will that accomplish? They've already saved the woman before anyone has thrown a punch, everything else is dick-waving.

>Tony isn't objecting to looking into the future
Tony explicitly doesn't want to use the visions. He talks about not wanting to mess with the natural order or some shit in the first issue.

>Carol's haphazardly doing things about the visions that keeps killing Tony's friends.
One of Tony's friends got killed in an encounter with Thanos that he was involved in out of sheer coincidence. There is no reasonable metric that puts War Machine's death on Carol's hands.

He also lost Banner but that was because Hawkeye killed him unaffiliated with Carol.

Of course none of that is Ullysses's fault but as long as he exists the conflict exists and since no one in this book feels the need to actually work out what is and isn't appropriate use of the visions the only way to solve it is for him to die.

Carl did nuffin wrong!

>>87092889
I haven't payed attention to this at all, but
>strange
>tony
>cap
Are we really supposed to believe this team can be anything but the right one?

This whole Civil War 2 just seems a bit retarded.

It's somewhat believable the first time it happens. But i don't buy it this time. Too many wannabe superheroes, and then watching them make mopey faces for mexican spider-man borders satire.

>>87092874
Once again, someone feels the need to tell Miles how important he is because he's Spider-man, and that is a high honor. Despite the fact that every Marvel citizen turns on Peter at a drop of a hat. Even though Peter made Spider-man his company's mascot, people still hate him for webbing up some guys son and leaving him there.

This isn't the Ultimate Universe, Spider-man didn't give his life and turn into a legend, and there are plenty of African American superheroes out there. Yet Bendis keeps pretending that Miles being a black Spider-man means something instead of being just another child hero. Nobody told Chulk, Kamala, or Sam that they were special for being the first of their respective nationalities to take up their mantles of choice, so why does he feel the need to make every big shot superhero gush over how important his costume career is? Being a Spider-man is about as special as being a police officer; probably a little less.

t. An irate black man

>>87106621
I feel like magneto being a holocaust survivor is kinda loosing it's impact. Like could you imagine anyone possibly saying that to an actual holocaust survivor.

>>87110935
He didn't show up and start punching. He showed up with a enough force, or so he assumed, and told Carol to stand down. Did they or did they not have a stand off and talk about things before Carol brought in her ringers?

>dick waving

I'll point you back towards my earlier replies. It's nit enough to rescue a hostage is you just leave the histage takers free to take more hostages. The "dick waving" was Tony telling her that it was going to be that dick that would stop her from taking more people prisoner for nothing at all.

>use the visions

So? That still doesn't mean he needs to kill Ullysses. The dude can have visions all day long: without Carol's flying gestapo and penchant for getting Avengers killed the visions do nothing on their own.

>coincidence

Carol lead the team. His friend died. She lead another team after another friend. That guy died too. The common denominator in Carol.

>the only way to solve it is to murder him

A bb gun can shoot your eye out. You don't have to melt it down to save your vision. You just have to stop shooting it into your face.

>>87096311
she's a qt space girl
I hope she gets two ongoings

>>87098247
Lobdell has always written good books
his Superman was fun
you're a faggot

>>87112035
>this wild revisionism
Rebirth was a mistake.

>>87112048
are you a Timfag


Has Ulysses been wrong more than just the briefcase issues in Ultimates?

>>87111135
>this whole civil war 2 seems retarded
No shit, the first thing they show us is how they defeat a celestial. It was bullshit from the very beginning

>>87095034
>>87095711
>>87106258

Carol maybe the biggest victim here but Bendis has not spared anybody except for his pets when it came to character assassination. The whole event had everybody acting retarded. We're hating and condemning characters for their in panel decisions/actions because Bendis has willed them to do such things. Damage has been done. Wanda's a huge testimony of how mishandling of characters resonates in universe and out to the fans and readers.

>>87112298
No the first bullshit thing they did before that was show that Doc Samson was alive with no explanation.

Don't you guys feel, well, I call it "Event Fatigue"

I've lost interest or maybe have gone apathetic to Marvel events. I honestly don't remember the last time I felt the hype of following the event and its tie ins. I've surrendered to the idea that there will be characters whose fan base will have to be forced to accept their fates and the treatments of nonfans. They're not even protecting their creations - the characters, the heroes but willingly destroy them. They don't even care about damage control. If there's a writer that would do, ok, if there's not, ok.

It's hard to stand, support and fight for a character that you like and is a fan of when you disagree with what the writer made them say and do. This is exhausting.

>>87102451
>Neither ares or thunderbolts were ruined
Brian, pls.

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>>87112790
Luckily i've never actively read any of this. A couple of events, arcs, maybe the beginnings of some series before they went to shit (like The Ultimates). Shit that interests me or somehow seems quintessential.

That's where my focus is still at. Looking for those good ones from the past. Even then i'm pretty hard-pressed to actually pay money to Marvel. They might take that as me giving them an "ok" on anything those clows have been doing lately, and that's something i definitely don't want to be doing.

There's a lot of good shit still to read. Nothing that they do now can destroy the comics of the past.

>>87095960
Daily reminder that there is nothing wrong with fucking Spencer over.

That it's Bendis is even better.

>>87112790
I was feeling that as far back as AvX. I still don't believe anyone trying to claim that either side was right because neither side was written believably. And CW2 is worse. I'm almost convinced anyone trying to stir up debate about who's right in that comic is probably trying to damage control for Marvel.

>>87112790
I feel you, anon.

The more I see page of the event, the more I want to give Carol a big hug and tell her that everything will be ok.

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>>87113135

It won't be though. Carol will be Marvel's main slave. They'll use and abuse her.

Wanda can be salvage because Marvel doesn't have a huge plan for her. Carol on the other hand will be bastardized again and again and again because Marvel is obsessed on making her their flagship female hero. She will be pimped until she's unrecognizable from the Carol Danvers before the whole push. I pity her fanbase - those htat liked her character before the whole KSD shitfest. There is no saving grace for Carol. She is Marvel's top whore.

>>87113135
Carol's done as character, dude. They can try to damage control but the decisions they made for her isn't helping. From her supposed to be lift off as Captain Marvel, they already botched it up by giving her to KSD then you have Bendis handling her on CW2. They could have hired a competent writer, one that has footprints in the industry already to write her after this event's mess fuck, hell, I'd even take Greg Rucka[\spoiler] but no, they have to hand her to a nobody. They're handing of their pet project (Carol as Captain Marvel) to a untested writer.

>>87113344
Honestly, with his track record on writing women, I'd let him handle Carol.

>>87112579
>bendis
>continuity
>implying he would even know Doc Samson died in the first place
Bendis doesn't read good comics, only his own.
The in-universe explanation would probably be the Secret Wars reboot.

Personally, I don't mind him being alive, he died a good death, but it's nice to have him around again.

>>87112298
Do they defeat it on page? It's probably a bullshit way, but it's always nice to see those faggots getting their shit rekt. Better if they kill it.

>>87110128
>the inter-dimensional gulag he put a bunch of his buds in was kind of too far
>kind of
Dude.
He was sending superheroes to the Negative Zone for the hideous crime of "saving the day without a license". Even super villains don't get arrested in the Negative Zone.

He also soiled an old friend's image by using a robot-clone-whatever as a weapon, without telling anyone it wasn't the real thing.

>and saw that if the super hero community didn't play ball it would be disastrous
They caused more damage hunting down heroes than the heroes could possibly cause by accident. If they were busy arresting the bad guys with all that zeal, the unregistered heroes wouldn't even have something to do on their heroing time.

And we're talking just about Stark. At least he got a clean slate and now they can pretend he was never a douche, maybe in time someone could even "discover" his brain was damaged by Extremis at the time or whatever. Reed never got the same courtesy, he stayed the same traitor sack of shit from Civil War for as long as he was still used by Marvel.

Also, it's shitty bendis writing, but on the "road to civil war" they implied SHIELD had tons of telepaths working for them. They could find the bad guys and stop a lot of crime beforehand.

>>87092874
>you're spider-man
miles really needed to hear that for the millionth time
Just change your name Kid arachnid

>>87114100
You know, I feel like there is a good story waiting to be told about Miles wanting to change his hero name because of all the pressure being Spider-man put on him.
While we are in argument, Kamala should drop the Ms Marvel identity

>>87092874
Wait this page is auctualy fantastic
What happened.

>>87098779
Quickly, to the drawthread!

>>87114289
what?! Carol shaped dicks?

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>>87102921
>Bendis
Nigga wake up! It's happening in several books.

>>87114251
>Kamala should drop the Ms Marvel identity
And give it to Karla since Karla's source of power has connection to Carol's.

>>87114311
We'll figure it out! Disturbing imagery will find a way!

>>87092869
Is Miles about to teabag Cap? Will Cap enjoy the teabagging?

>>87093242
there is no A miles is THE obviously captain hydra puts this no name kid he met maybe once or twice before above peter
Honestly how many people are going to have to reaffirm him he isn't just some knock off

>>87114333
And who has the most creative control over the direction of the Marvel Universe?

>>87111979
>It's nit enough to rescue a hostage
When those "hostage takers" (they aren't taking hostages, at worst they're taking prisoners) are governmentally sanctioned then showing up to fight a bunch of people with the only goal of "kick the shit out of them to prove we can" becomes an incredibly illegal act that won't help anything. Say Tony wins, he either needs to kill/imprison everyone on Carol's side (or Ullysses). Even if he wins the brawl Carol will still use the visions. Tony has no rational endgame.

>doesn't mean he needs to kill Ullysses.
Obviously he doesn't have to, but he also didn't need to kidnap him or start a fight with a bunch of superheroes. My point is that it's the one of the only ways for Tony to "win" and there's no way he would do it so it makes his goals unclear.

>The common denominator in Carol.

Her being involved in the situations around their deaths doesn't make her responsible. Should she have told Rhodey to fuck off because power armor is dumb and he doesn't get to help out? Should she have done a nose count at the Hulk confrontation to ensure that no one had snuck off to the trees to pull a kill shot? Of course not, both deaths were beyond her control and it's retarded to blame her for them. Obviously her plan to deal with the Hulk sucked dicks but it wasn't the shitty plan that caused his death, it was Hawkeye being kill-happy.

A bb gun can shoot your eye out. You don't have to melt it down to save your vision. You just have to stop shooting it into your face.
Except in this analogy your buddy Jeff keeps trying to shoot your eye out, believes that he is morally right to do so and has an army of people devoted to the cause of shooting your eye out. You're going to either need to take out Jeff and his army or take out the bb gun and the only way to do that with permanence is to melt the gun or kill Jeff and co.

>>87098405
Honestly I think you're wrong

He looks more like the pawn stars guy than he does uncle fester

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>>87111979
>Did they or did they not have a stand off and talk about things before Carol brought in her ringers?
There is this page where they "talk" but there's nothing of substance being said.
>Carol declares that Tony is under arrest given that he ordered the break in of the Triskelion
>Tony threatens to go public
>Carol responds that Tony is literally breaking the law
>Tony says he has a big army so she has to stand down
>Carol calls in the GoTG

Neither of Tony's parts of the "talk" make sense.
He tells her he'll go public but there's no reason for him not to. Maybe if he was telling her to stop or else he'd tell everyone it would make sense but he clearly plans on doing that after the fight.
The second part of Tony's dialogue boils down to the last line "Do the math and stand down". What's he going to do if they stand down? Imprison them in the negative zone? Kidnap Ulysses again? He has no endgame in this fight.

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>>87116249
To make it worse here's the first page of the fight next issue. Notice that Tony says that Carol left them no other choice. That's retarded, they have a shitload of choices including going public and dealing with the issue through legal channels like Tony brought up in the last issue. The fight has not purpose, it's useless dickwaving because Bendis needed a big fight halfway through and couldn't be assed to write a story that made sense.

>>87116249
Hmh. Haven't really read the comic but Captain Marvel or whatever the hell shes called seems like a cunt.

>>87116467
Oh yeah, Carol is in full unlikeable cunt mode for this.

>>87116467
Here >>87095711
>>87095034
>>87095630
>>87102400
>>87112558
>>87106258

>>87116386
all dumb group fights come down to a line in the middle of the page. What the fuck is this shit? If you're gonna have pointless violence at least be strategic with it.