JSA Storytime: Quasar

>>87082056
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Is King actually going to be on LOSH? Dare I dream?

>>87082023
OP, did you read the last Mockingbird? It's a damn trainwreck.

BATMAN 9
BATMAN 9
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>>87082056
So King's gonna be writing that book, right?

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>>87082023
I haven't read anything today, just seen panels:

the one with THAT SYMBOL

and the "I get what it's about and I think it's pretty stupid" Mockingbird one

Apparently Mockingbird retconned the Phantom Rider thing into Mockingbird actually cheating on Clint instead of being drugged and raped

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/10/19/removing-the-rape-out-of-mockingbirds-past/

I still can't get over the ruse of Jane Doe where it's just another D Lister King threw out and then BAMMO

>>87082086

I disagree!!

>>87082102
Cave Carson is amazing
I don't think it was storytimed though

>>87082083
>>87082097
I don't want to get my hopes up just in case King is setting up an even that somebody else is going to write

like for example, if Snyder & Capullo's Batman-centric event is what LOSH actually spins out of and then Jurgens writes the actual LOSH book

>>87082152
Why were people thinking it was the villain when Jane Doe is a name for women who aren't identifiable and a woman from the future is someone who can't be identified

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>>87082086
I just saw a complete page out of context and yeah

>>87082125
So I think what it is is that it's the idea that "Female characters are too often passive, so I'm going to rework a past trauma and it's better for it to be something that she did--even as a fuckup--than something that was done to her."

the problem is that trying to do this on all sorts of past events just ends up making the MC into something of a sociopath.

>>87082168
>Snyder & Capullo's Batman-centric event is what LOSH actually spins out of
>Snyder writing an event with tons of Batman in it

Don't remind me.
When was the last time he wrote a DC book that DIDN'T have Batman in it?

>>87082185

Personally I wasn't expecting Legion follow up in Batman + the preceding pages were all bad guys so it made sense that this was another obscure one

>>87082211
>When was the last time he wrote a DC book that DIDN'T have Batman in it?
Swamp Thing, I guess?

>>87082023
Hello Storyteller.

>>87082083
>Imra
What book was this from?

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>>87082198
good ol' Mak

>>87082281
Batman

>>87082198

I was ok with it as her just fucking up real bad and avoiding blame. i'm planning on rereading that WCA stuff soon though which might change my opinion.

and I'm ok with removing the Rape form backstories

>>87082298
>and I'm ok with removing the Rape form backstories
And people wonder why they call this SJW Storytime

Fucking piece of shit.

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>>87082285
(I think the scan is missing a page here, sorry)

>>87082198
That's the issue I had with it, not the humor or anything else.

Like, they literally pulled a reverse Marcus Immortus, retconning a rape to be a consensual relationship.

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>FalCap issue

>>87082198
>So I think what it is is that it's the idea that "Female characters are too often passive, so I'm going to rework a past trauma and it's better for it to be something that she did--even as a fuckup--than something that was done to her."
That makes sense, I guess, but it changes soooo much context to what happened and the aftermath

I mean I like it when female leads are allowed to fuck up, but this changes it from "was victimized, let a guy die/kinda murdered him as revenge" to "cheated on husband, lied about it, deflected all blame, then also still nearly killed the dude (??? maybe?)"

that's a bit less of a fuck up and more of a "Bobbi is a HUGE asshole"

So I haven't read anything today because a lithium ion battery spewed acidic fumes in my face and I'm in the hospital making sure it's not going to melt my lungs.

Yeah.

>>87082185
Because the entire scenario was that villain's whole gimmick.

>>87082332
Anon, at least we're actually READING comics here.

>>87082332

Luv u too

OH speaking of tumblr I found on it old wizard scans casting a mid 90s LosH movie. Will share when not mobile

>>87082056
Looks like I should have read Batman

>>87082391
>So I haven't read anything today because a lithium ion battery spewed acidic fumes in my face and I'm in the hospital making sure it's not going to melt my lungs.
holy shit that's horrible, I hope you're going to be okay anon

>>87082298
She literally says she's too much of a strong woman to have been raped. That's such a terrible thing to say. This is like the sexual assault version of Bendis outing teen Iceman.

>>87082332
Who calls it that? Other than you?

>>87082298
>i'm planning on rereading that WCA
Englehart's WCA is such a slog to get through

>>87082429
>I've always made my own decisions
I mean, I don't think being raped is a decision one makes

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>>87082348
what happened?

>>87082391
here's hoping for your lungs!

>>87082450
And Clint deep down never believed it because it's just too ridiculous to think she could have been raped.

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>>87082450
That's the thing, the author has consistently taken the perspective that Bobbi must make all meaningful decisions and drive every plot via her own will, and accommodating that to 1) the past 2) other characters ends up saying things that you probably don't mean but you've clearly implied

>>87082461
Captain Hydra pulled a Keikaku worthy of FabNic Zemo.

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>>87082512
Fuck, I need to go back and read what's been written on it, then

I'm weak against keikaku

BACKSTORY!

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>>87066172
Good gracious, Imra's got some mighty eyebrows.

I think she's been redesigned to resemble the toon version. I am very okay with this.

The everything with Mockingbird effects Clint so much leaving him out hurts the book and that it effected Hawkeye as much/more than Bobbi is part of the original problem

>>87082512

Shit imma have to catch up on SamCap

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>>87082561
oh shit you made Wendell mad

>>87082507
There was the great option of not doing a Phantom Rider story sitting right there. Or making it the exception that causes the rule.

>>87082575
I noticed that, too. It's a nice subtle touch of alien-ness.

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>>87082615
Right, you don't *have* to do a Bendis and bring up Avengers 200 either.

>>87082656

Well at least this was a Bobbi book and a story focus, not a offhand joke

>>87082507
>the author has consistently taken the perspective that Bobbi must make all meaningful decisions and drive every plot via her own will
That's an interesting choice to make and I appreciate how deliberate it is but using it to retcon stuff that happened to her in the past into stuff that she was an active driving force towards is more questionable. I mean, sometimes shit just happens that you have no control over, I don't think it's possible (or a good idea) to have a protagonist who has NEVER been victim to outside circumstance or influence in anything ever

>>87082656
I have sudden respect for KSD's stance on the Marcus shit.

>>87082656
Seriously, if people stopped bringing that up, they wouldn't HAVE to retcon it. Nobody retconned Mike Murdock, because calling attention to it would bring up how silly that whole thing was.

>>87082732
nobody's retconned Teen Tony either!

speaking of Tony, CWII was supposed to have been finished by now originally, yes? They really didn't give a fuck about spoiling the shit out of CWII

>>87082656
Speaking of Bendis, Jean is getting a solo apparently

>>87082391
>So I haven't read anything today because a lithium ion battery spewed acidic fumes in my face and I'm in the hospital making sure it's not going to melt my lungs.
One hell of an origin story

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>>87082716
it tends to make them into a sociopath

>>87082720
I still think mindwipe was a bad idea, but resolutely not using a shitty story you hate is a good idea.

So is Imra working with Batman?? Or just trying to signal attention? And she doesn't seem to have her powers either

>>87082732

Nobody retconned Mike Murdock cause it was awesome

>>87082185
It's Imra, but Jane Doe is a cool villain and I'll feel bad if this is some scrubbing out of them.

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>>87082760
I am reminded of that one Stealth issue.

>>87082757
Are Teen Beast and Teen Angel going to get solos too? Cyclops already had his

I'm guessing Iceman is going to be Teen Bobby because nobody gives a shit about adult Bobby anymore

>>87082823

I have a crack theory the O5 get sent back and they're all period books

>>87082125
Mockingbird seems to have degenerated quite a bit from its initial prompt.

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>>87082815
I will be curious how the X-fans react to this raft of solos

can someone summarize today's DEATH OF X for me

>>87082647
Indeed. She still looks human, but has features that suggest non-Terran ethnicity.

So is this how the build up for the Legion is going to work? They're going to show up in various books at random until BAM, a Time Sphere appear and Brainy pops out telling everyone to get in? Cause that's not a bad way to do it. Theoretically, it entices readers familiar with them to check out other books they'd normally not pic up, and at the same time fosters the casuals' curiosity of just just who the hell these Legion people are. In theory, anyway. We'll just have to see.

>>87082898
>can someone summarize today's DEATH OF X for me
shit

>>87082512
Could I read that issue without backreading the run?

Speaking of reasons the internet is mad, what are the odds that last page of Batman is a total fake out? 99.9%

>>87082928
>Indeed. She still looks human, but has features that suggest non-Terran ethnicity.
I think that's putting it kinda strongly.

>>87082898

Cyclops told the entire world the Inhuman lied about the mists. Said it could also effect humans. And Inhumans made an entire city fall asleep to stop rioting which include X-Men.

Storm ran around all "Cyclops no!!" Trying to damage control

>>87082898
The bad thing Rightclops did is tell the world that the mists are poisonous.

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>>87082954
well, I knew that already

>>87082898
Aaron Kuder has no idea what Madrid looks like.

>>87082561
I do appreciate this big complex plot on Batman, even aside from the LoSH stuff. I've been iffy on the first arc but it's evident things are going to be fairly involved between the three, four, fives different groups you've got. And he writes a solid Bane.

>>87083026
What happened to Kuder? Did he just get stuck with a shitty inker at Marvel?

>>87083047
He was always shit :^)

>>87083008
That CAN'T be true. Really?

>>87082898
Storm told Medusa that the Mists fuck up mutants, so Medusa tells Crystal to start evacuating mutants from where the Mist will show up. Cyclops had Emma and the Cuckoos send a psychic message to everyone on the planet saying "The killed my muggas, RACE WAR NOW!"

>>87083047
Yeah...

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>>87082998
I also saw justified bitching about "couldn't they have googled a picture of Madrid?"

>>87082962
I hope not. I want it to be true.

>>87082991
Is it? Cause I don't know of any humans on Earth that look like that. Some kind of Scandinavian, maybe, but otherwise, the long eyebrows, huge forehead, and slightly bulging eyes are not exactly standard.

>>87082068
A Force is confirmed dead

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>>87083183
the relaunch cycle has to be exhausting to deal with

Marvel rejected "Mockingbird and Hawkeye" as a relaunch

>>87083145
Me too, but they've been teasing Selina doing something actually villainous for so long.

>>87083158
Anon, she looks like a white girl.

>>87083183
Good.

>>87083158
You're overthinking it.

>>87083214

To bad that SHIELD tv spin off died

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>>87083214

>>87083214
I do wonder how writers deal with that
The forced tie ins, editorial making you put characters in or taking characters out, cancelling it suddenly, letting it relaunch, having cancelled completely, forcing a new status quo, etc
Lots of bullshit and would make every other publisher more appealing

>>87083299
>Agents of SHIT spin-off dying
>bad

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>>87082023
Hey anon. I didn't really make the connection other Anon of Green Lantern/Flash team ups either, but man there was never a Green Lantern main character as husbando as Wendell, was there?

Also, Mockingbird's Adventures in Glib Feminism are over, with Phantom Rider defeated by Internet Celebrity Nerds, and Bobbi apparently being able to consent when she didn't know what century she was even in.

>>87083214
I don't get who's in charge of deciding these things. A-Force was prettty dull, and Mockingbird is a trainwreck, but these are the comics they want to point to as ideological touchstones. What the fuck benefit do they get out of cancelling and fucking them around?

Like even for the people who will buy any comic with certain stances no matter how bad, which I feel must be a fair part of Marvel's audience here, this fucks them over. And you totally annihilate the possibility of actual good product.

It's like their celebrity writer trend too. I saw that advertised on the solicits. Look at what DC is doing - taking promising established prose/comic/TV writers and giving them a class in how to write a DC comic. Marvel is throwing them on a book for the benefit of the name like Gerard Way on Young Animal ;^)

>>87083358
I get the same vibe from that book as I did from the last few issues of Angela to be honest. No fucks given.

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>>87083351
It's deeply stressful, I am sure, and it probably leads towards writing shorter arcs...hey, that might actually be a good thing

I'm really behind on Scarlet Witch but I think Robinson's been very clever with its format.

>>87083358
Quasar/GL teamup when

>>87083183
And nothing of value was lost. Have a clear direction for a book before you launch it.

>>87083385
Way's name probably won't help very much unless they put the trades in hot topic next to Harley's stuff or something

>>87083440
It sounds like that Dazzler arc should have been the first one.

>>87083467
I'm just poking fun at the Lion Forge shit.

>>87083440
She kinda did as laid out in the post, but she was the second writer and they forced CW2 on her

>>87082760
>resolutely not using a shitty story you hate is a good idea.

I was close to saying this is preferable but a lot of the time it seems like creators go too far in that direction too and it's shitting on previous fans by leaving things out that could have been included. Depends on the situation I guess.

>>87083358

>Bobbi apparently being able to consent when she didn't know what century she was even in.

You can consent when lost in time!

Man I'm gonna be irritated forever at /co: acting like that book is some huge crime.

>>87082391
>So I haven't read anything today because a lithium ion battery spewed acidic fumes in my face and I'm in the hospital making sure it's not going to melt my lungs.

Holy shit.
Hope you aren't permanently damaged. And the the goggles did more than nothing.

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>>87083438
>getting lectured by best husbando about your responsibilities

>>87083550
Doing productive things with bad stories or things that hurt a character (which are not necessarily an overlap) can be good but takes a high skill level

>>87083564
It's not a huge crime, but it's fucking bad.

>>87083475
Team books need to start with a one-shot issue where the team is formed. Decompression in a "forming the team" book is basically poison. You'd think Marvel would learn that lesson from New Warriors.

>>87082461
Goddamn, Marvel's hit the 90s so hard even the hitchhikers and grim and gritty now.

>>87083586

It's fine and has a POV that /co/ hates al there's no talking about it neutrally

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>>87083602
When I re-read NW there was a good amount of stuff in each issue but it was too many simultaneous plots. It needed to hit a substantial plot early on and basically be less clever.

>>87083564
It is true that some "people" here act like certain comic books shouldn't exist, but a bad comic is a bad comic senpai.

>>87083624
I dislike it pretty poisonously, not for the take but being a messy, no-stakes book that is massively self-indulgent. I'm trying to think what the male equivalent would be, probably some of the worst Deadpool stuff.

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>>87083661
You know, I'm starting to look forward to grim angry Shulkie because at least it won't be flip.

>>87083661
The start was kind of weak, because ~inhumans~ (that push has been going on for a long time now, damn)

I fucking lament for Kaine and Aracely tho

>>87082612
But Cain didn't leave Clint out, apparently he takes time out from his Occupation: Avenger schedule to go bang her with "British Hawkeye from the TV Show" in a mountain cabin

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>>87083727
so do you think for whatever reason Marvel has gotten the green light to lighten up on the Inhuman fetch and RESSURXION us back to an X-prominent place?

>>87082615
Personally, I thought McCann did a good enough job finishing off the Phantom Rider and his lasting effects on Clint and Bobbi that it would have probably been fine leaving it there.

>>87083713
Mariko Tamaki can also write a comic, which is a plus.

>>87083731

That's the unreliable narrator thing. Its not 100% literal (this is from Cain in letters pages)

>>87083624
Hey, I didn't pay attention to this book before today. I'm just here to WTF at the fact that a real live woman implied only weak women get raped and thought, "Yes, this is how I want to end my feminist masterpiece."

>>87083713
I'm just hoping Marvel leaves Tamaki alone for a decent 12 issue run before cancellation/event fuckery. Yes, it's gotten so bad that's the best I can hope for.

>>87082656
>Razor blade to the arm

Geeze, trigger warning this stuff, anon.

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>>87083787

>>87082732
Mike Murdock wasn't the hero Hell's Kitchen deserved, but he was the one it needed.

>>87083832
I'd hope for 6.

>>87083787
It's possible. They seem to be more involved with the Legion tv series that's being done with Fox, so maybe they reached some agreement that has perlmutter less anti-xmen

>>87082757
No one in history has ever wanted a Jean Grey solo book.

And this Jean in particular would probably only work as a villain protagonist.

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>>87083832
That'd be something, and it's unfortunately unlikely. What's the next linewide event, do we know yet?

>>87083920
I would SO FUCKIN buy a Jean Grey solo book that acknowledged her as a villain protagonist.

>>87082991
Well, it should only be slightly non-Terran, really.

Titanians are human, and lived on Earth a mere few hundred years prior. They aren't aliens, they're colonists.

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>>87083920
I would read a Teen Jean book that actually dealt with her appalling ethics

I'm going to miss Capullo so much whenever he left this book

>>87083939
Isn't it their monsters unleashed thing? Hulk is confirmed to play into that IIRC.

I feel like the book has quite a strong take in it's 'let's take the gloves off and look at Jenn like she were the hulk, not the female variant' too. Not the most out there thing, but definitely something you can Write Good on.

>>87082772
>>87083889
Don't get me wrong, I fucking love Mike Murdock, because it's Silver Age as fuck, yet they COMMITTED to that shit, I just couldn't think of another example of "so damn dumb that it's basically been retconned without actually BEING retconned, because actually retconning it would involve reminding people it happened." The Crossing and Teen Tony would be better examples, thiugh

>>87083939
Monsters Unleashed is something I think

>AVENGERS #1.MU
>SPIDER-MAN/DEADPOOL #1.MU

But at least these terribly numbered books are oneshots or seperate minis

>>87083358
>man there was never a Green Lantern main character as husbando as Wendell
No but Hal is best girl

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>>87083970
>>87083995
I think Avengers Forever actually dealt with THE CROSSING, Busiek mentioned having to re-read it for that

>>87083214
>Marvel rejected "Mockingbird and Hawkeye" as a relaunch

Oh, god.
I just had the horrible thought that Marvel might SYNERGY Clint into a relationship with a single mom with a farmhouse.

>>87083920
I feel this is where shit falls down. I don't need to like the protagonists, I don't need to think oh Medusa you're such a great person and you really have the moral highground here wow. Marvel has been doing a prolonged hatchet job on Cyclops and I literally more interested in Cyclops than I have ever been, because desperate sorta-fascist renegade is a good story hook.

Backstabbing weird feudal inhuman society >>> welcome to the inhumans, here's your complimentary cup of coffee and our entire royal family as counselling support.

>>87084061
I don't think MCU or marvel comics care enough about Clint anymore, especially since Fraction's run is long over

>>87083357
Bobbi and Hunter were consistently entertaining, tho.

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>>87084057
I miss this era of weird shit in Cosmic

>>87084034
I define line-wide as when far-flung books have to put the banner on and deal with the story in a regular numbered issue

>>87084069
I have zero hopes for the new writer digging into what they've done to Carol, sadly

>>87084057
... Am I crazy, or does this chick have three boobs?

>>87084076
>especially since they couldn't recreate Fraction's run after multiple tries

>>87084118
This too

Poor Lemire, his run was like 10 issues across 2 volumes and was ass

>>87084112
She does indeed have three tits, but I don't know you well enough to confirm or deny your theory that you're crazy.

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>>87084166
I didn't read any of Lemire, what did he try to do in it

How's his Marc?

>>87084057
>I think Avengers Forever actually dealt with THE CROSSING, Busiek mentioned having to re-read it for that

It did, kind of, because of the heavy KANG in both.
I think the big Crossing takeaway from Forever, though was retconning Moonraker (who was kinda cool IMO) into being a Space Phantom instead of Mantis's dad Libra.

>>87083438
>Quasar/GL teamup when

never ever because modern Marvel is allergic to crossovers

>>87083358
>there was never a Green Lantern main character as husbando as Wendell
That's cause there was a greater husbando Green Lantern. Guy Gardner.

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>>87084260
we can't have nice things :(

Reading that somewhat cancerous Mockingbird thread, it would be interesting to go through the series and try to tag all the inconsistencies in callbacks as "deliberately skewed because Bobbi's lying to herself" vs. "writer fucked up"

>>87084185
>She does indeed have three tits
Okay. Sure, why not. Comic books.

>but I don't know you well enough to confirm or deny your theory that you're crazy
Well, I keep being a prick to the people who are the closest thing I have to friends. If nothing else, I'm a dumb asshole.

>>87084214
Cause a rift between Kate and Clint then bring them together. Just made Kate look like a stubborn child and Clint the more sensible mature adult. But the actual story tried to tell us it was the opposite way. I hated that run.

>>87084306
>Ah, nerts!
Grife, space slang is pretty sprocking silly sometimes.

>>87084057
>Three GIANT space boobs

Man, how does this character not have at least as big a fanbase as the Champion?

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>>87084306

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>>87084407

>>87084383
>Grife
PTSD triggered

>>87084260
Queseda was poison.

I miss the 90s Big Two crossovers, they were stupid but fun.

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>>87084433
>>87084452
Ook?

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>>87084484

>>87084433
>>87084484
So many giant dudes.

>that footnote
You can't call something 'classic' when it only happened like a year or two ago.

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>>87084542
this is some trippy shit

>>87084484
>Hey wait, why are these lesser cosmic guys here and why is everyone the same size
>FFS it's just a group shot, deal with it.

Fucking hell, Gruenwald died too young.

>>87083787
I never really understood the logic of the X-men mistreatment stuff anyway. Like do they really think anyone who reads Marvel comics isn't already going to know there's a Fox movie coming out? Like it makes sense for stuff with more visibility like cartoons and shit, but comics?

>>87084542
>Anthropomorpho
Okay, that is kind of an awesome name.

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>>87084565
>>87084574
as best I can tell it's sheer Ike vindictiveness, and never underrate what someone petty can do on that front.

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>>87084565

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>>87084668
A++++

okay, this is an event I never heard of.

>>87082391
hope you don't die anon

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>>87084692

>>87084692
>Scamadites
I feel like it would be hard to trust these guys.

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>>87084734
>>87084751
we come from the planet of R'ip O'ff

OH SHIT

>>87084692
There's just so many damn events, it's hard to keep track.

>>87084751
What are you talking about anon? They seem completely trustworthy. Just like those nice Decepticon folks.

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>>87084775
Anomaly, back again?

>>87084603
Agreed.

>>87084622
This entire sequence is just an extended No Prize pitch about cosmic OOC appearances and I fucking love it.

>>87084564
Reminds me of Flash of Two Worlds, the cover said it would be a classic. I guess if you put it on everything you'll be right eventually.

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>>87084871
Gru was so good at taking fuckups and spinning them into something interesting

a quote from FabNic:

Q: You seem to enjoy using characters that have already been created and "abandoned" by other writers so to speak. Is there any reason why you prefer to do this?

A: Well, I think it's something Kurt and Tom strongly believed in as well, so it makes perfect sense to maintain that. It's part and parcel for the book's tradition and the character's history. It's about looking at longtime established Marvel characters in a different light. We are all, creatively speaking, very much "forward moving traditionalists." Meaning we respect what came before but understand the need to always move it forward. But we also adhere to the basic teachings of his Lordship Gru (Mark Gruenwald), who said, "Why create something new that duplicates what already exists? Just use what exists better." So we try to.

>>87084751
You're just saying that because he's dressed like Player 2 Mysterio.

>>87084899
>"Why create something new that duplicates what already exists? Just use what exists better."
This is something I wish to live by.

>>87084899
>Accidentally walking into Thanos's Spank Bank.

>Just use what exists better.
Fuck. This needs to be an engraved plaque.

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>>87084969
>>87084974
I think it ought to be a plaque in every editor's office for the Big Two. And if you don't want to do that, B2 is probably not FOR YOU

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>>87085009
Anomaly looks like 90s edgy Qbert from hell

>>87084899
>"Why create something new that duplicates what already exists? Just use what exists better."
If only current marvel followed that.
fuck you bendis

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>>87085063
Bendis is gonna shit all over Maker, isn't he

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>>87085113
oh, it's another event

that we're not gonna read

but we're gonna read more Quasar...on Friday

thanks for reading with me, hoot hoot, now I can read some comics from the Now

>>87085009
It makes so much sense. There's almost certainly one or several preexisting things floating around the archives that'll fill whatever role you have in mind, so you could just root around in the junk drawer and inject some new life into it.

Goddamn, there's so many that come to mind, too.

>>87085134
Thanks for posting as always, Storyteller.

See you Friday. These Legion hints can't drop fast enough.

>>87085134
Thanks boatloads.

>>87085063
You know what's kind of fucked up? I bet Bendis thinks he IS using what exists better, the egotistical prick.

>>87084899
>"Why create something new that duplicates what already exists? Just use what exists better."
>we will never live in the universe where Liefield didn't kill Gruenwald
>we will never see modern writers try to justify their OCs

>>87085166
gotta get royalties tho

>>87085134
>Infinity War

Oh boy, and you guys thought Infinity GAUNTLET was bad?

>>87085586
You chose your Namefag title poorly, Stalinfriend.

>>87085676
I've gone by many names, usually when it's funny.

>>87085731
hi The Weird

>>87086042
I haven't used that one, although I did claim to be Steve Englehart once, for a weird joke.

>>87084899
>"Why create something new that duplicates what already exists? Just use what exists better."

too wise, too pure

>>87085134
Thanks again OP

>>87086171
I can imagine the joke.

>>87086993
Check Desu for the Dark Avengers thread, and see if reality lives up to your imagination.

>>87084306
Quagmire here is from the Squadron Supreme world. While he's an Earthling, he taps into some sort of extradimensional space for his 'muck', which acts like suffocating super-tar, basically.

I have no idea how he got to 616 Earth, or whether he's the identical counterpart on 616 to the SS Quagmire, though.

There's a balance between reusing old shit and making new characters.... someone's gotta add toys to the sandbox

>>87087069
It isn't a cry against innovation. It's an argument against redundancy.

Why are there three to four seperate Teen X-Men teams from the last decade alone, when all only ever last long enough to get mass murdered and replaced by the next one? Like, as much as each group of X-Students has standouts, why bother creating YET ANOTHER group of them when the last group just got shoved in the damn closet?

>>87087069
To borrow your metaphor, it means dont just replace the old toys with toys that are basically the same except newer, you have to actually add NEW toys.

>>87087534
It's fine now because we've formed a circular loop back the original teens, anon. Each of the X-Men is a hideous everlasting centipede monstrosity in space-time now.

>>87087734
So wait, does that mean we get shitty time-clones of All New All Different at some point?

>>87082298
>I was ok with it as her just fucking up real bad and avoiding blame

Holy shit.