What went wrong?

>>86855848
Loeb doesn't have the clout to get away with a "smarter than all your other villains and you" villain.

>>86855848
Jeph Loeb.

>>86855848

Honestly?

I'm not a fan of the "turns out there was a never before mentioned childhood best friend who was like a brother and now he is a villain" trope.

So I wasn't on board from the beginning. After that the relationship drama was what turned me off.

>>86855848
Loeb turned Croc into the Lizard.

>>86856731
>I'm not a fan of the "turns out there was a never before mentioned childhood best friend who was like a brother and now he is a villain" trope.
That trope happens a LOT in Batman. Every time I think this is the time they're gonna subvert the trope, but no.

>>86856849

>That trope happens a LOT in Batman

Examples?

>>86855848
It paved the way for DC to bring back Jason Todd

>>86857196
Yeah, that too.

>>86855848
The "mystery" wasn't mysterious and the plot was just an excuse for Loeb to run through a Batman greatest hits compilation with admittedly nice looking art.

>>86857196

Yes.
Agreed.

Bringing Jason Todd back was wrong and this was it's preamble.

>>86855848

Didn't include Cass even though it included every other Bat sidekick and villain of any note. And this was during her prime, when DC was still pushing her.

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>>86858059
Cass as so much shafted, poor Cass..

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>>86857196
>>86857548
But if not for Jason Todd, who else in the DCU has enough daddy issues for me to fap to?

>>86856669

Not only Loeb but Lee is also hack, he is the Korean Liefield.

>>86858637
I'm not going to question your dislike of Lee, but you can't slate him in the same breath as Liefeld.