I just finished season 2. Is she the last avatar or she just

She done fucked up, anon

>>86814505
W-what do you mean?

Yes, because we haven't had this thread 500,000 FUCKING GODDAMN TIMES SINCE THE SHOW FUCKING AIRED!!!!

>>86814453
Neither, she just can't talk to past lives because reasons

>>86814453
>>86814625
She restarted the cycle.

Actually started rewatching this myself...Would kinda suck to be born with that kind of power to have people dog on you all the time. Couldn't a Avatar just tell the world to fuck off and leave them alone?

>>86814814
That'd be kind of interesting. See an avatar that literally wants nothing to do with this shit and goes to do their own thing.
Or maybe they'd be a villain, who knows? Well never get another series.

>>86814453
She basically just reset the past lives. So the next avatar after her will only be able to share her wisdom / contact her. The raw power though is still there.

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>>86814549
THE KORRA RIDE NEVER ENDS

>>86815159
>See an avatar that literally wants nothing to do with this shit and goes to do their own thing.
Isn't that what the previous waterbender Avatar did, and then his wife lost her face?

>>86815159
It could be interesting, but im not sure how that would work now that Raava is a thing. What i mean is that Raava is the spirit of good and peace, aswell as choosing the next avatar, which i imagine has an impact on the person. I'm not sure the avatar would ever be such a person.

>>86817606
I think it was more a case of him not being needed because of Yang Chen.

>>86818580
What did Yang Chen go through that caused world peace, spreading even into the new avatar rebirth?

>>86814453
She did much much more.
She became the first lesbian

>>86819908
She literally just murdered and destroyed anyone who threatened the peace she created so everyone was absolutely terrified of doing anything wrong.

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>>86814453
She killed the memories of the previous avatars. Huge fuckup. Again.

Remember, people only like Korra for being buff and brown.

>>86823616
>she killed

Are you retarded? Unalaq killed them.

>>86815960
>The raw power though is still there.
Because Ravaa is a thing.

If go with ATLA lore alone, she lost the raw power too...

>>86814453
Sort of both.

Her fuck up means she is no longer connected to the previous Avatars like Aang etc. But she got her Avatar status back when she fused with Raava again (why did Raava feel the need to do that? The whole creation of the Avatar was desperate ploy to beat Vaatu and keep Raava alive in the first place)

Basically she's Avatar 2.0. The poor Earthbender destined to be Avatar after Korra will only have her to guide them.

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>>86823870
Because of her stupidity.

>>86819908
I don't know for sure, but she was supposedly pretty hardcore to the point where even after her death people feared the power of the avatar.

>>86824183
What stupidity? She lost to strongest villain in avatarverse.

>>86814453
This and many other questions WILL NEVER BE ANSWERED! Stay tuned for next time, on Avatar: Legend of Korra!

The second season was completely broken and the ending was an ass-pull. Nobody can answer that question OP because the creators themselves have no idea.

>>86824183
wow korra haters are pathetic

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>>86824125
>Her fuck up

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Can we really blame Korra for that? I mean, apart from the first Avatar, no other Avatar has faced Vato. Doesn't it kinda make sense that the cycle would be reset? It's not like they don't have another 10000 years to figure shit out before he's back.

>>86825593
yea and this time people will know he is coming

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>>86814453
She restarted the cycle. Did you miss the part where she refused with Raava?

>>86824054
Well, Korra lost the raw power and experience of her past lives when Vaatu severed her connection to them, but she gained more raw power from Raava, who was much larger than when she fused with Wan or even when she was ripped from Korra.

>>86825179
This is pathetic and shitty bait. Is this seriously the best you Korra haters can come up with?

>>86825593
Personally i don't blame Korra, i blame the writers for making her lose. I just think the blame comes from the idea that Unalaq and Vaatu should be much weaker than Korra on every possible variation, so when she still loses it gets explained by incompetence. You know "had she been stronger/better it wouldn't have happened".

Vaatu on his own however wasn't even a problem for Korra, or Wan for that matter so Korra losing the past lives was pretty surprising. And by the looks of it it would be permanent which only hurts the story even more since it was a pretty integral part of being the Avatar that you had contact and could seek help from your past selves. (Not that Korra ever did).

Good thing though is that they're never going to have to fight Vaatu since he is now also tied to the Avatar along with Raava. Interesting side question would be wether or not Unalaqs souls got destroyed, because if not he would also be a past life for future avatars presumably.

>>86825693
I really enjoyed LoK, even more than TLA, but LoK's writing was a clusterfuck, and season two was particularly bad.

Really annoys me, because when I watched it, I couldn't shake the feeling that it could have been so much better than it was if they had planned it and thought it through before hand.

Do you think with Korra resetting the cycle, the cycle would still be the same? Or could the next avatar be air to begin with or something else? Could Raava choose on her own?

>>86825780
Also the fact having fewer episodes a season didn't help it. Everything felt super rushed. If it had the same backing as TLA, and had around 20 episodes a season, I could see it being on par with the original. Characters would be fleshed out more. The whole shipping shitstorm might now have been as bad, and Villains would get more screen time.

>>86825780
Well that's Nickelodeon's fault. Korra was going to be a miniseries, but then they expanded it to more seasons, forcing Bryke to develop ideas they'd had since ATLA into a full fledged story.

They initially wanted to do what has now become thr comics as animated movies IIRC, but Nick said no

>>86825809
I would assume its still the same.

>>86825865
I wouldn't blame Nick for Brykes inability to put those ideas into action. Book 1 was rushed too and they had a long time to write that one. They also introduced alot of secondary plots, some of which weren't resolved and some which took away time from the main plot. So while Nick could have given them more time with Book 2, Bryke could also have managed their time and episode count better.

>>86826142
pacing-wise Book 1 was pretty good.
I may disagree with their plot decisions

hey, I'm a blood-bender! hey, me too!

but the timing of it all was pretty much on point.

Book 2 is the clusterfuck.

>>86826211
There was some problems with building up the Equalist threat and then dropping it for an episode in favour of shipping. And ofcourse the finale info dump could have been spread out over more episodes. It also felt like Korras airbending training arc took a hit for probending, but otherwise book 1 isn't that bad.

I actually feel that Book 3, despite being the best LoK season, had some pacing problems. Imo it just feels kinda slow early on and then a lot happens once the Krew gets back together.

The final season was decent. But I was meh with Kuvira. She was an okay villain, but. It seemed kinda weak to end it with that. Its basically Earth Nation version of Ozai pretty much. Just me, I would have ended it on a stronger note with a more noteworthy threat.

>>86819908
What is even there for an Avatar to do when there aren't any angry spirits or evil dictators around?

>>86825751
She only lost because Vaatu pulled out some out of nowhere tentacle-porn-bending

>>86826659
Probably mediating between nations, people and such. Maybe help people reach enlightenment if they can.

>>86826385
Kuvira never felt like a credible threat to me, not when Korra had access to the avatar state. And she didn't seem smart enough to avoid the avatar state like Zaheer tried to do.

>>86826789
Yeah i know, which is why i would blame the writers not the character. However the thinking still goes that had she been a better/stronger fighter she could have avoided it.

>>86826795
>Kuvira never felt like a credible threat to me, not when Korra had access to the avatar state. And she didn't seem smart enough to avoid the avatar state like Zaheer tried to do.

Agreed. Personally, I think an extremist on the opposite side of the spectrum from where Zaheer was would have been a better final antagonist. Like, Korra is the Yin half and has to contend with Yang. Not necessarily evil, but viewing power and task of the Avatar as the ultimate divine authority in the world, and trying to create a global theocracy centered around that idea. They know their purpose in life, and aren't affected by the Human condition like Korra is or rather the Yin half of the spectrum. They aren't afraid to cross any moral boundaries in order achieve what their view of balance is.

>>86826911
That sortof sounds like what Unalaq could have been, had he not been evil and wanting to destroy the world.

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>>86826911
They were already fucked by making a fully realized Avatar so overpowered in the previous series and by making Korra achieve that level by the end of her very first season.

Book 2's villain was the only thing in the world that could stand a chance against an Avatar and Book 3 was smart in keeping Korra out of fighting the main villains for most of the season and when she did Zaheer had to fuck her over from with a shitload of poison to even stand a chance.

But after all the recovery in Book 4 there was no reason to why Korra shouldn't have been able to curbstomp Kuvira, her giant mech and her army other than "we need the other characters to be useful"

>>86827019

Is that metal technically in a 'liquid' state, as in a waterbender could also move it?

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>>86825809
It's implied that everyone reincarnates, but the Avatar is the only one who can actively recall their past lives.

They're really inconsistent with how it all works out - personally I don't think Raava is some kind of Trill symbiote, and that Korra's loss of memory is psychological. That is however, complete speculation on my part and unsupported.

>>86827330
Only metal benders can bend metal.

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>>86827330
Waterbenders can only bend stuff that it's mostly water like soup or mud. I doubt they can do anything with liquid metal.

>>86827330
Water benders bend "water" which covers more than just H2O, like mud and probably other things mixed heavily with water.

Same thing with earth. It's not so much minerals as it is what normies call earth.

Metal, even if liquid, would not be considered water. Not even in common sense ideas.

>>86827367
God i love Sandra Prikker when shes in "korra mode".

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>>86827330
No, it's just meteorite metal

>>86827367
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>>86827513

Hm, I thought as much.

>>86825593
>I mean, apart from the first Avatar, no other Avatar has faced Vato.

Outside of Aang, most of the other Avatars would have probably kicked his face in.

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>>86827766
Why would Aang not have kicked his face in?

>>86826789
She only lost because she decided to try and close the other portal from the spirit world rather than just stop doing anything and keep to herself until the proper time for that celestial event passed.
If Unalaq had a way of opening them up, then sealing it wouldn't have mattered in the first place unless she had a way of securing the portals and getting rid of Unalaq.

Which, of course, she did. It's called the Avatar State and her own 14 years of combat skills versus a much older man who just meditates.

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>>86826211
I personally think that there are more problems as a whole in the structure of book 1 even though its first half is really good.

After episode 6: The only interactions we see between the main characters are through the stupid love triangle, Amon's motivations (which do make sense from what Bryke said in interviews) aren't properly explained in the show, Korra's airbending ex-machina wasn't built up very well and a lot of the finale is hijacked by Iroh Jr, a fanservice character with no actual introduction, no noticable traits and no connection to the audience except "he is related to Zuko".

>>86826967
Eh, sorta. But, I'd have this "Yang" character be closely connected to Korra. Like he is the build up for the entire series. For instance, that moment when Amon thought he took Korra's bending away, but all he did was release the other have of the Avatar, in a spectral form, wandering aimlessly as they watched from the shadows. Plus is adds great irony for Amon by trying to end bending, he unleashed the most dangerous one to ever walk the Earth.

Here's how I picture it: let's just call him Yang. Since Wan, he has been the other half. Watching cycle after cycle, seeing the Avatar going through the same motions. Birth, training, only dealing with some problems, then death. In his mind, little progress is made in the goal for Balance. Not to mention dealing with the Human condition as he refers to it. human emotions such as love, and companionship. All of which he sees as a even grater hindrance to the purpose of the Avatar,thus even less gets done in each cycle. Yang grows resentful over the centuries, angry that the Avatar only stops problems when they begin, instead of going to the root of the problem and ending it. Right then and there. And this frustration is exemplified in the last three cycles.

First you have Roku, his greatest crime in the eyes of Yang, Sentiment. regardless of past friendships, he should have killed Sozin right then and there the moment he entertained thoughts of war.

Then comes Aang. Cowardice. Running away, and letting a century of unrestricted war to ravage the land, running away from his purpose. Defying the Guru's wishes choosing love, and attachment over his purpose. A selfish pathetic child who got lucky in saving a world which at that point he deemed to be a decaying husk of what it once was.

Then comes Korra. In the beginning, he was pleased. Controlled environment, the purpose of the Avatar drilled into her, he had hope. Then she goes to Republic City, then it all starts to unravel.

>>86827766
We don't know shit about other avatar's skills except for inconsistent stuff.

Kyoshi can move a peninsula all the way into open sea but can't be bothered to fight a manlet and his army, Roku could kick Sozin's ass effortlessly but died to a volcano.

In the end the only thing that matters is plotbending, Aang goes from easily beating Zuko to losing to Jet in Book1. Azula was capable of beating Aang in one episode only to lose to Katara in another.

No matter who the avatar is they would have lost to Vaatu/Unalaq if that is what the plot demands.

>>86827956
A first, Yang is terrified of the idea of Amon. His purpose, his whole identity is to bring balance. And to see it end here after tend thousand years of mismanagement from Yin, and watching the world slowly fall to corruption. It disheartened the entity. He wasn’t ready to see it all end here. Not when the world cried out for balance. But then Amon takes Korra’s bending, and Yang finds himself free. A phantom wandering the world, unable to interact, and all he could do is watch Korra.

In season two we find Yang watching as Vaatu becomes so close to being released, flabbergasted by Korra’s foolishness, but the one saving grace however, was when the Spirit world reconnects to the physical. He felt himself growing stronger. Getting to the point in which he could manifest his own body out in the world. Though still weak, he waits and watches from the Shadows, gathering followers those wrong by corporate greed, incompetent governments and such, promising them a better world.

As season three rolls around, still in a weakened state, he begins extending his reach, grabbing people who he is able to fall into his vision of the world, people in the governments, corporations and such, really building a firm powerbase from the shadows, all the while building up his inner circle, his lieutenants as it were. His most loyal of followers. But, although in separate bodies, Yang and Korra are still connected. He cannot exist without her, and vice versa. He felt himself reaching death’s door as Korra did with Zaheer. Presenting a problem for him. If he wants to exist, and right the wrongs of the world, he needed to sever the connection from Korra, freeing himself, but without the backfire of killing him.

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>>86827330
Metal should not be bendable in liquid state for pretty obvious reasons I'd say.

>>86827989
Enter season four. Yang’s physical form grows stronger. An advantage he has over Korra, is he can recall all the training and experience of the past cycles. He doesn’t forget when Yin dies, turning him into a frightfully powerful bender of the four elements. While his body is strong, he still waits, not ready to strike just yet, and here he finds the greatest sin of all in Kuvira, manipulating spiritual energy. A right he deems only for the Avatar to utilize. It is at this point, Yang comes to a conclusion. The world is at a corruptive state to the point it is beyond saving. No simple action of deposing the governments and placing new obedient leaders would be enough. No, in order to save the world, he must wipe the slate clean. He must look at the world as a whole like a dying tree. Rip it out by the roots, and plant new seeds.

Then enter Book Five: Rebirth.

>>86827968
>if that is what the plot demands.
Kyoshi can create an island by shattering it off from a continent and in doing so defeated a manlet and his army. She didn't before as the Avatar that she wanted to be was one who didn't go into personal affairs and instead kept the idea of 4 Nations as their priority.

Sozin is one person and a volcano is a volcano. Handling it the wrong way could have meant it going Krakatoa.

Aang can beat Zuko because Zuko is channeling rage and inexperienced. Jet was fighting on his own home turf with Aang not wanting to fight.

And Azula always needed a handicap to fight Aang (Aang being sleep deprived, Aang having spent energy trying to destroy the drill, Aang also contending with the Dai Lee.)

Korra lost to such a huge extent because that is what the plot demanded, yes. And that is stupid.

>>86814453
It just means she can't talk to her past selves.

Season 3 is pretty epic.

>>86828006
That was back when it was bending the impurities in the metal. Now in LoK it doesn't rely on that and instead is whatever works so that Jinora can save the day again and Suyin can help. Can't have it be a water poison or else then you'd need Katara and it would be a race against the clock to get her there or rely on an injured Kya.

Of course you could structure it a different way that doesn't work against established lore and be so convoluted.

>>86828438
>Now in LoK it doesn't rely on that
Yes it does. They repeatedly mention it.

Liquid metal can still have small impurities

>>86828438
Don't they say repeatedly that metalbending doesn't work on platinum because it's too pure to have earth in it?

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>>86828438
>or else then you'd need Katara and it would be a race against the clock to get her there
That'd be convoluted as fuck. Katara is all the way on the other side of the world

>>86828604
>distance matters in Avatar-world

Everything is "plot" away, if you need to be there tomorrow then you will be no matter if you're travelling from the next town or from one pole to the other

>>86828022
I kinda like it, but i think you could make Raava/Vaatu better if you could somehow tie him to Vaatu. Otherwise it feels a little weird to me that theres this random spirit tied to the Avatar.

Maybe Wans spirit was split in Yin (Wan) and and Yang when he split Raava and Vaatu, but not Yang couldn't exist seperate from his Yin.

>>86828604
Which is why you wouldn't make it so convoluted. Katara could just as well have been with Tenzin as he was showing his mother how rebuilding the Airbending culture of his dad/her husband was going.

Or don't poison Korra and instead have a delicate political setting for the next installment instead of having her at her lowest point again and not showing that she learned anything from all the other times.

>>86828707
Eh, did do a good enough job in expalin the whole Yin and Yang bit. This is all just random fanfic tier crap i think of as i rewatch the show. The way I see it, Every mortal being is the same way. They have a Yin, and a Yang. It just so happen that the Avatar is so strong spiritually, that Yang can manifest a personality and thoughts on its own. If that makes sense.

>>86828776
Didn't*

>>86828776
That's fair. Just thought it might help build up Raava/Vaatu as Yin/Yang aswell since they kinda need it.

>>86828833
But thing is "Yang" is completely on board with the goals of the Avatar. He is against Vaatu just as much and Raava and Yin. He is enraged that Korra let it get so close, falling for her uncle's traps. I guess, when I could adjust to to when Wan split them apart, some of vaatu's influence snuck its way into Yang's being, thus he becoming the zealous entity I describe. Yang is a believer of Balance at any and all cost. Morality is simply part of the human condition that he doesn't subscribe to.

>>86828719
>Which is why you wouldn't make it so convoluted. Katara could just as well have been with Tenzin as he was showing his mother how rebuilding the Airbending culture of his dad/her husband was going.
But that wouldn't have made sense, because the Air Nation was still just starting, there wasn't really much to show. That's still convoluted, especially because Gran Gran Katara doesn't seem to want to leave the South.

>Or don't poison Korra and instead have a delicate political setting for the next installment instead of having her at her lowest point again

But that takes away from the magic of Book 3's ending and the repercussions that make Korra change as a character in Book 4.

>>86828968
>and the repercussions that make Korra change as a character in Book 4.
>change as a character

If only the archive from back then still worked. There are so many posts that debunk this.


>That's still convoluted, especially because Gran Gran Katara doesn't seem to want to leave the South.

Which is also out-of-character from how much Katara wanted to be active in everything.

>>86829042
>If only the archive from back then still worked. There are so many posts that debunk this.
And none of them are correct.

>Which is also out-of-character from how much Katara wanted to be active in everything.
You mean it's out of character for young Katara. There's no reason to assume that Gran Gran Katara would.

>>86828937
Iike the idea, and it would be nice for a long term "companion" to gain freedom and turn on her. I just can't help but feel that they could have done the same thing, a no morality everything for balance villain with Unalaq and Vaatu. I guess i just liked his design and was so disappointed with the execution.

>>86829110
Eh true enough, but while he is determined as all hell to achieve his goal. He is also hellbent on punishing Yin for the years of incompetence. In this case, Korra.

"And when your failures are tallied. And all those you sought to selfishly try to protect die before you. Despair. Fall to your knees in despair. Beg me to end your pain. and I shall relieve you of your burdens as the Avatar. Forever."

>>86829105

Honestly not showing any of the original Gaang fight for more than a few seconds was disappointing, especially the 'reason' they explained why, with Toph saying they're just too old for it.

The white lotus freed Ba Sing Se all by themselves during Sozin's comet, and they were all pretty old. Fuck, Bumi was as old as Aang and he freed Omashu by himself. Granted he did it during the eclipse, and Jeong Jeong was superpowered during the comet, but still.

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>showing any of the original Gaang fight

>>86829274
Well.....

Piandao was the youngest of them all, and a trained swordsman. He needed to be able to defend himself and train others.

Bumi kept himself in shape and healthy even into his old age, presumably for some purpose in his crazy ways.

Pakku both needed to train new waterbenders and help protect the North, meaning that he needed to keep himself in shape

Jeong Jeong was always on the run, meaning he needed to stay in shape.

Iroh was mostly out of shape until he got in shape to escape.

And in any case, all of them(sans Piandao) seemed to be in their 60s-early 70s, while the Gaang were all in their 80s.

Toph had a more stressful adult life with Suyin and Lin, and sort of let herself go as she entered old age. Some of her not being some super stronk old lady is also simply due to typical old age things, like her back hurting.

Katara just doesn't seem to want to get involved anymore and leave it to the new generation.

Zuko obviously kept himself in shape and was able to fight still.

The major difference between the Old Gaang and the White Lotus is that the WL guys were born and active during the Hundred Year War and needed to be able to fight and defend themselves, while the Old Gaang ushered in an era of mostly peace and therefore didn't necessarily have to do so.

>Worst avatar in history
>Literally destroyed the cycle
>next avatar after her will only be able to ask her for help

Jesus. I feel bad for the earth avatar

>>86829996
They'll just have to rely on the people around them who are actually living in the same world rather than ghosts. They'll need to have their own Jinora and Mako to bail them out of their mistakes.

>>86814505

This. Shit I was going to come in and say the same thing.