/swco/ - Star Wars Comics & Cartoons

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1st for the prequels were great

>>86772700
Will we get freedom from the Bendu or will his thread prevail?

bump for the real thread

>>86772792
Well, this thread did come first

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>>86772792
In this thread we trust.

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I'm excited my favorite starship has been recanoized. I hope we see it again but with new canon rules, it may be an older starship.

One step closer to an Allegiance Class Star Destroyer

posting my terrible awful no good very bad unrefined vaguely erotic fanfiction r8 and h8
http://pastebin.com/8hNBrAH2
at least it's not as bad as /ss/fagging

>>86772835
Impressive ship.

What project recanonized it?

Characters who should appear on Rebels at some point:

>Boba Fett
>Cad Bane
>Barriss Offee
>Maz Kanata
>Anyone from Rogue One
>Doctor Aphra
>Rae Sloane

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Who is best husbando and why is it Bane?

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>>86772858
The complete locations recanonized the old EU Hoth base. In the Legends, Hoth was powered by salvaged parts of a Praetor class battlecruiser. The Praetor showed up in some old Marvel Comics.

I hope this is next.

>>86772911
>>Maz Kanata
Is a shit non-character that should be ignored whenever possible.

>>86772931
What's wrong with anus-eyes?

>>86772911
Bossk

>>86772928
>In the Legends, Hoth was powered by salvaged parts of a Praetor class battlecruiser. The Praetor showed up in some old Marvel Comics.
If that isn't mentioned in the book then it's not canon

>>86772911
The only one on this list that I could see in the show is Rae Sloane. Plus, she needs more non-Wendig appearances, as I don't want Aftermath to be the last time we see her.

>>86772911
>boba
maybe
>barriss
only if they bring ahsoka back to kill her
>rae
as long as theres UST bants between her and kanan

the rest are trash, or in the case of rogue one, nothing can be said about them yet

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>>86772914
>not wanting a space pirste hubby

>>86772911
Personally, if we do bounty hunters, I wouldn't mind some 4-LOM and Zuckuss. They're always getting the short end of the stick out of that batch of six.

...not unless they do us a solid and we get a halloween episode where the ghost gets shadowed by IG-88.

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>>86772911

>>86772969
The new book canonized Hoth being powered from a Praetor.

>>86772911
>Boba Fett
Will almost certainly happen. It's Boba Fett. He's obligated to be in everything.

>Cad Bane
Surprised he hasn't already shown up. Maybe there could be a Fett vs Bane showdown episode.

>Barriss Offee
I doubt it, since Ahsoka is gone. But maybe she could appear and try to redeem herself.

>Maz Kanata
Hondo's sigil was seen at her palace, so he knows her. This one feels likely, assuming they can get Lupita Nyong'o.

>Anyone from Rogue One
It'd certainly be nice, from a connected universe perspective. I'm surprised there haven't been more namedrops/references yet, like somebody mentioning Jedha or Director Krennic or something.

>Doctor Aphra
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>Rae Sloane
A good bet, since she knows Kanan.

>>86772942
Not him, but she served basically no purpose in the movie. The only thing of importance she does is give (or try to give) Rey the lightsaber. Even her pep talk about Rey waiting for someone that isn't coming was more Rey admitting to something she already knew than Maz giving her some new insight.

>>86772969
autism

>>86772911
>Boba Fett

Highly unlikely.

>Cad Bane

Wouldn't count on it.

>Barriss Offee

Not happening.

>Maz Kanata

Nope.

>Anyone from Rogue One

Possible.

>Doctor Aphra

Would be cool but I wouldn't hold my breath for it happening.

>Rae Sloane

Most likely of them all.

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>>86772911
no captain op?

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Reminder.

>>86773214
I'm gonna have to subject myself to the whole thing one of these days. I've only made it as far as the cartoon

>>86773214
are you implying this is a bad thing?

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https://www.datalounge.com/thread/8469990-matt-lanter

So Anakin's really a homo

>>86773234
It is of course laughably bad, but I honestly found it more mind-numbing than anything? Roughly 3/4 of the dialogue is wookiee growling and there are no subtitles.

>>86773097
>>86772942

Her speech was the most generic shit I've ever heard in an adventure movie, and for all the talk about "I like practical sets/costumes", she was a shitty looking CGI minion among a bunch of cooler looking aliens.

Also what the fuck, you get someone as hot as Lupita Nyong'O and turn her into THAT?

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>>86773301
>Lupita Nyong'O
>Hot
pick one

>>86773339

>You
>Heterosexual

Pick one

>>86773349
Dude, she isn't hot. She is a very talented actress but she isn't hot.

>>86773339
She's a cute little negress
hot may be pushing it

>>86773379

I don't think she's a great actress but she's definitely hot

>>86773349
>>86773432
Niggers by definition can't be hot

>>86773500

>Do I fit in yet guys

>>86773500
[It Ain't /pol/ starts playing]

>>86773264
Adding yet even more fuel to the eternal, ever-burning flame that is Obi-Wan/Anakin slash fiction.

>"Cum, Master, for the Force surrounds and penetrates us!"
>"Please Anakin, the only thing more unbearable than your grandstanding are your puns!"

>86773500

Here's your (you).

Well, half a (you).

Bait a little less obviously next time.

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What is she, /swco/?

>>86773640
A futanari

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>>86772817
>We will never see Luke's Jedi Order in a movie.

>>86773640
Do you really have nothing else to do

>>86773663
>Hey guys let's do another Death Star
>Hey guys let's do another Jedi Purge
>Hey guys let's do another Trench Run
>Hey guys let's keep calling the New Republic "The resistance"

I liked the movie but fuck

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>>86773663
No need to thank me ;)

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>>86773712
>I liked the movie

>>86773787
You stopped reading at the end?

>>86773801
newfag

>>86773801
Well how is he supposed to continue reading after it's ended?

>>86773813
By reading it in reverse, of course

>>86773640
A Winduvian

>>86773640
Has anyone tried asking Pablo?

>>86774021
Oh, I'll ask him alright. With my cock.

>>86774106
No, bad Anon, down boy.

>>86774106
can't beat the cock

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>>86772700
http://variety.com/2016/film/news/han-solo-movie-female-lead-tessa-thompson-zoe-kravitz-1201878975/

I just learned about the Crimson Corsair short story with Kix. What a cool concept, it reminded me of Star Trek when they find Khan.

>>86774542
Yeah, the going theory is it's probably Sana

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>>86774651

so when are we getting this since han is getting a black wife. Also who else is excited about chuck weddig's work becoming canon on big screen?

>>86774760
You're like a year late, dude. She was never his wife, she was making that up.

>>86774760
>chuck weddig

I went to NYCC last year to the Star Wars book panel, and this guy was just a cunt the whole time. Acted smug and scoffed at other people's books and points of view.

>>86772969
This is why star wars will never be great again

>>86775398

so you don't think he earned his praise anon?

>>86772700
>that many people flooding the streets of Tatooine

I have my doubts a remote town would have that big of a population.

>>86775621
We're gonna build a wall

And LSG's gonna pay for it

>>86775390
That is some really unflattering lighting.

>>86775689
Mos Espa was pretty big IIRC. I mean they had a huge arena for podracing, and sell-out crowds. Think about the majority of Mos Espa who wouldn't want to see that shit, or couldn't afford to waste money on it.

So I am sure the bigger Tatooine towns could amass crowds that big.

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SOON!

>>86775915

You know Ahsoka is exactly the kind of book we don't need, DESU.

Like the biggest problem with the star wars canon is it has no fucking momentum. A character arc gets started in one book or maybe a handful done quickly but there's no momentum. We never see Zaire Leonis as a rebel alliance fighter or see what happens to Thane Kyrell and Corona Squadron after Jakku. For some reason it's like nobody except Wendig ever gets more than one go around(and yes, there are multiple Leonis books but they're all really short and average out to the length of one regular novel).

I mean ultimately that's how you get characters like Corran Horn and Garik Loran: You let them develop over multiple arcs so that the audience gets attached.

But that can't happen since this year Disney is basically abandoning the idea of telling stories about book specific characters for just making them about tie-ins to other stuff.

>>86776173
The issue is that Disney/LSG is terrified of anything that might end up crossing into the post-ROTJ time period. We assumed things would change after TFA was released but it's now clear that we won't get anything set in the interbellum time period until 2018 at the earliest. So until then it's all wheel-spinning.

>>86776173
The comics have allowed them to develop and flesh out some new characters over time, to the point that one of them is probably showing up in the Han Solo movie.

The issue regarding books is that nobody buys books anymore. The fact that Disney is even willing to publish in-universe Star Wars fiction in 2016 is surprising. So they need some kind of hook to get people to buy each novel.

Also, see >>86776183

>>86776173
Ahsoka at least has a lot of backstory and momentum behind her what with 6 seasons of Clone Wars and a season of Rebels.

The Trawn book looks like it could have that also.

>>86776183

It'll probably be after the entire trilogy ends before that happens to be honest.

I mean they dropped the fucking ball bringing in JJ abrams to do the first movie. Because any explanation will just leave a bunch of holes open as to how nothing changed in 30 years and everything everyone worked for was easily reduced to nothing.

I mean lets be real here, that's probably the real reason uprising was also cancelled. Your character becomes a jedi and learns the ways of the force. They beat the Darth Vader wannabe and leads a fighting force against the empire that doesn't answer to the new republic. There's no reason for you to abide by that treaty and you're now strong enough to be an actual threat. So now they have to justify how the guy you were made to spend 100 hours developing was killed offscreen by Kylo Ren and nothing you did mattered in the end.

>>86776237

That's different. I singled out Corran Horn specifically because he didn't come from anywhere else. He was a secondary character created for the books that developed enough to hold his own story, which was also experimental in enough other ways to be radically different from "real" star wars stories.

Bringing in a character who started in a film isn't nearly the same thing. Likewise Thrawn began in old EU and is getting a boost in an animated series. If you care about Thrawn as a character it's not because you're reading the material that's been put out, it's because you came in from elsewhere.

>>86775689

Mos Eisley is actually way bigger than it initially appears. A majority of people apparently live underground away from the heat and just come up to the streets for work or commerce.

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>>86773580

They only has themselves to blame when they publish shit like this.

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>>86772817

>assholes in various shades of brown

I just can't into Jedi fashion.

If you want a spoiler summary of the Ahsoka novel:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarscanon/comments/55uaqh/spoilers_just_finished_my_ahsoka_novel_heres_a/

>>86776267
>the guy you were made to spend 100 hours developing was killed offscreen by Kylo Ren and nothing you did mattered in the end.

Deepest lore. Making grandaddy Vader proud.

I never got very far in Uprising, I found it generally uninspired. They are actually cancelling it? Actively erasing (effectively) something from the new canon so soon?

>>86776333
I'm waiting for the audiobook.

Is Tagge dead? He got gassed in Darth Vader #23 but it's not clear if he is dead or unconscious.

>>86776333
Damn that sound amazing, particularly some lore stuff. Can't wait to read it!

>>86776173
None of these new books have any of the excitement, depth, emotion, and magic/spark of the old EU except Twilight Company, Lost Stars, and Bloodline (even though this one in particular does a lot of legwork to overwrite all that for TFA). It's all just forgettable, bland, filler that often doesn't feel very Star Wars-y. It is severely disappointing that the old canon got replaced with nothing. I even loved TFA, but the overwhelming majority of these new books have no sincerity or care put into them, they feel barebones and rushed at best and seem to exist just for Disney to check the box and make a buck. No heart and soul, even the stupidest parts of the old EU still generally felt fun and engaging.

>>86776360
The game's story isn't removed from canon I don't think, not that it ever mattered, it's just too unprofitable and has to shut down because no one plays it due to the fact that it's a huge, dull, grindfest.

>>86776360

Yup.

Like it wouldn't matter so much if they didn't hype it up so hard. Everyone in the one non-aftermath novel to come out in Journey To was talking about how mysterious shit going on in Anoat was behind that blockade then to hype up TFA they made you into this awesome jedi instead of just a smuggler turned fighter. I was a bit surprised to find out there was actually a small community building around Uprising and they were the only ones loyal enough to actually grind the literal hundreds of hours to advance a plot that now never has an ending.

But then, Disney doesn't give a single red fuck about the smaller communities within the star wars fandom. The flight sim fans are given a giant middle finger as X-Wing moves away from the fighters they love and into using background ships nobody cares about from the movies(remember the bus Kylo Ren rides around in? Enjoy getting that instead of the Howlrunner or the Star Wing you've been a fan of for almost two decades), and good luck getting EA to make a fighter game that isn't attached to a battlefront clone. The Ewoks fans, who had two movies and a TV series and got new comics right before the buyout, basically got told to eat shit despite actually having a good relationship with Lucasarts and Dark horse before that point(Remember that the Galaxies team actually watched ALL of the Ewoks stuff to keep the planet faithful to the fans). The fans of the game series like Jedi Knight and Kotor don't even have anything announced despite EA getting the deal years ago except one Amy Hennig project nobody knows a thing about(And you would assume with Bioware in the shitter they'd take a new KOTOR canon game as easy money).

If you ever got attached to one portion of Star Wars it used to be you could expect at least some acknowledgement and a product just for your group every few years at least. Now you're lucky if you have something even vaguely resembling something you liked put in the background as an Easter Egg.

Kallus being the new Fulcrum still a thing?

>>86776414
>even though this one in particular does a lot of legwork to overwrite all that for TFA

In all honesty the vision of the first order presented in the novels is much more engaging than what we saw on screen.

When we see the founders of the first order as the empire falls they have a fire in them. They aren't just a bunch of random surviving officers, they're the motherfuckers who declared space reich and decided that blowing up planets wasn't just ok, but the morally right thing to do. Between Commander Windrider and Commandant Hux you get a very special kind of insanity going.

But that's not what we see in the movie. In the movie everyone is regular joes except for General Hux, who's just screechy and loud for no real reason. It's not even the crazy militaristic society envisioned, they need a random old man in a black robe for some reason, other than "that's what the OT had".

>>86776444

The issue is, it might as well be removed, as once the servers are shut down it might as well have never existed aside from a few Youtube videos and screenshots. And not even a complete story, either.

>>86776448

Eh, I'm just enjoying the Disney stuff for what it is, souless cash grabs that can still be entertaining. Star Wars lite. If I want the meaty stuff, most of it is still on my bookshelves or Steam list.

Rebels is entertaining enough, TFA was fun at the time, and Rogue One looks like souless PC/diversity garbage, but the spectacle and millions of special effects budget should be entertaining.

Not exactly /co/ but is EA Battlefront worth getting given that there's a sale now?

>>86776496

In all seriousness the EU itself was essentially dead by the time Disney took over. NJO may have been the last nail in that coffin but it wasn't the first. That's not to say we didn't lose good material being made at the time. I'm still pissed that Dawn of the Jedi ended with such a massive cliffhanger.

The problem is that there's obviously enough material for Star Wars to actually be good under Disney, but by this point they thoroughly shat the bed. I have no idea why the fuck EA got exclusive rights and I have serious reservations about everything else. I haven't actually spent money on a single Star Wars product since TFA came out and I'm not really inclined to do so, if only because so much of it looks so boring.

I mean it's not just me. When I made that call I was actually about to drop hundreds of dollars on X-Wing to get my own squadron going. But the community died where I was within a few months of Force Awakens coming out. Which wasn't unique from what I hear. Nobody is willing to drop the money Fantasy Flight wants for a rebels tie-in miniature when they got the game for either OT or flight sim ships. Especially when at this point basically any ship that's not a movie tie-in is a rebel tie-in.

>>86776537
Oooo, there is? I'm tempted. If nothing else, it's pretty.


Reminder that we are two months from Rogue One.

>>86776414
Disagree about Bloodlines. It did a fantastic job of fleshing out the politics that led to what happened in tfa.

>>86776545
40% off so the version with all DLCs is 50 bucks or thereabout.

>>86776537
Yup its amazing in short sessions. Not a complaint it really is a great pick up and play shooter.

>>86776537
The game itself?
No.

The game plus the season pass that costs the same as the game?
Maybe.

Personally I'd wait for Battlefront 2 next year. It'll have a story and hopefully space battles.

>>86776537

I would say no. It's basically battlefield without any of the cool moments that make battlefield memorable. Fighters control clunky and slowly, the game balance is fucked so prepare to spend hours being shit no matter how good a shot you are, and the endgame consists of just firing in bursts and launching dubstep grenades.

>>86776496
>Eh, I'm just enjoying the Disney stuff for what it is, souless cash grabs that can still be entertaining. Star Wars lite.

This is the best way to appoach it, probably. And if we're lucky, there'll be some inspired creations in between. At least Rebels is pretty decent.

>>86776537
No. Battlefront will never be anything more then trash. The only interesting one thing is one DLC, and it's itself is not worth the sale price alone.

>>86776565
The fighters handle perfectly just like rogue squadron

>>86776555

I'd bet money on Battlefront 2 just being worse.

I mean the difference between ANH and TFA is ANH had twice as many fighters and twice as many blaster types despite being made on a shoestring budget almost 40 years ago. A sequel trilogy era battlefront is essentially just battlefront with only one fighter option, no Y-Wings, no walkers, and no equipment variety.

I mean it speaks volumes, fucking VOLUMES, that when the Poe Dameron comics needed a second resistance fighter they had to just redraw an OT era A-Wing.

>>86776538

I can't speak for the table top gamign side (though I am collecting the Fantasy Flight roleplaying books).

But i agree about everything else. I don't understand why everyone raged about them 'killing' the EU, as it was winding down anyway. It had been years since a movie, and the franchise was basically living on TCW, Dark Horse comics, and the occasional Luke novel (since they had kiled off pretty much most of the next generation).

3131 looked interesting, and was a great loss, and the rest of TCW... but really, the EU was pretty complete. I'm happy to consider it a finished project. 'Original Timeline' Trek to the NuTrek.

That said, NuWars is really souless. Rebels occasionally approaches something resembling spirit, and is at best watchable. Freemaker Adventures was amazing, but is non-canon, so they could have fun with it. But all the comics and books have left me completely unimpressed.

I will read Ahsoka though, and buy it, just to read how TCW ends and what she does up til Rebels.

All that in mind, I actually did enjoy TFA. I liked Kylo, Rey does things for my lower regions, and Finn and Poe are both likable. I reckon the (main) movies will continue to be the movie I look forwards to every couple of years and keeps my love of SW alive. (But as they are going director to director, I do expect a stinker occasionally).

The spinoffs are going to be trains wrecks though, looking at them. I was totally unmoved by the early Rogue Ones trailers, and Young Solo sounds story that doesn't need to be told, and won't work without young Harrison which is scientifically impossible this decade.

>>86776551

Fuck that. Still too expensive. I could buy most of the nucanon library as it exists in paperback for that.

>>86776569

Indeed. Some creativity and rare gems are bound to happen if only due to weight of content being churned out.

>>86776537
Easily, it's a great game and still my go to shooter after almost a year. Got 70 something hours in it at least, it's just fun to play. The DLC has all been really good, I'd highly recommend the season pass if you get the game.

>>86776448
The EU had nearly 30 years of content which made it what people remember it as today.
Canon has been around since 2014.

All the fan favourite stories from the EU didn't come out within a span of two years.

Lucasfilm are playing it safe and purposely trying to keep a focus on the new trilogy.
And the extra material such as books can't delve into that post RotJ time period because people would want stories about Luke and his Jedi but they're not going to put that into a book first.

And they whole "it's Disney's fault" excuse is getting old.
Disney doesn't give a shit about the books, comics etc. You don't see them controlling Marvel comics.
Their domain is the buyout is the movies.

Don't compare the nearly 30 year old expanded universe with the under 3 year old canon when it comes to content.

>>86776546
In what way is that disagreeing with me? I literally said it's one of only three new canon books that aren't garbage.

>>86776552
>>86776555
>>86776565
>>86776572
>>86776628
Just growing bored of old BF2 here really.

The skirmish good for anything?

As much as I hate to admit it since I really like TFA and am very excited for the rest of the trilogy, I have to say that I actually view the old EU as canon and the new stuff as basically an alternate Infinities style "what if?" universe. It just doesn't feel like the real continuation of Star Wars to me, which is obviously part nostalgia since I grew up reading all the old books and playing all the games, but still.

>>86776615

The OT went director to director. But the difference was in that case George was still very much calling the shots. However since he wasn't directing the things himself he actually had a filter and someone fresh to keep the "plan" going, even if the plan was being made up as he went or being cut a lot of the time.

Having Spirit is never actually rebels's problem, at least to me. The problem with Rebels is that it's on extended cable and budgeted as such. Disney loves to stick clips in where they can but nobody can watch that shit without paying extra.

I legit don't get it. You'll occasionally at least catch a freemaker rerun on the main channel but NEVER Rebels, no matter how much hype they try to build up.

>>86776649
It's fun for time wasting.
But you'll get sick of the minimal content in the base game eventually.

And, I'm not sure if it's just because I'm in Australia, but the season pass doesn't seem to be on sale.

>>86776670
Season Pass isnt just the game versions.

>>86776615
>Indeed. Some creativity and rare gems are bound to happen if only due to weight of content being churned out.

This. I'll take a shitty tie-in movie or two if it also gives me one 'Lords of the Sith' tier novel. That's the sort of stuff I come back for,

>>86776662
I mean, it's fine for people to have shit opinions but just remember the old fanfiction doesn't matter anymore.

>>86776682
Yeah, but it's has new maps and characters.
And the space battle mode around the Death Star.

>>86776700
That's why I'm considering the ultimate thing because it comes with the DLC at a slightly more reasonable price.

>>86776634

It's not a difference in time, it's a difference in methods.

Like once the old EU found something that works it would jump on that shit and give people what they want. New Lucas and Disney don't do that. We've all named three or four good things, but they're all one offs. Even though they sell and people like them they get no attention because Disney decided ahead of time the big break out thing deserving a trilogy was going to be Aftermath and damn if the audience cares about anything else.

Also, fuck your excuses for no new jedi books. That shit happened years ago in the films and we won't be getting that on the screen. They're dead. Offscreen. You CAN'T build them in the way Corran Horn and Kyle Katarn and Kam Solusar got built up because the second they'd begin to do anything they'd be killed unceremoniously.

>>86776710
I wish I had that option. I got Battlefront for Christmas so my only option is paying $80AUD for the season pass.

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>>86776688
end your life

>>86776649
Yeah, getting to play as the heroes and vehicles since you'll be lucky to ever get them online with the way faggot campers hog them all the time. It's just satisfying to go on a rampage with Darth Vader and kill hundreds of the AI without dying sometimes. Unfortunately only Walker Assault and Fighter Squadron are in skirmish and none of the DLC maps are included for it. I wish I could play stuff like Sabotage, Extraction, Heroes vs Villains, Supremacy etc with AI.

>>86776723
The one thing that's still putting me off is the vehicle pickups. Why they didn't just do it like Battlefield is beyond me.

>>86776662
I liked TFA somewhat but it has a lot of problems. Kylo is the most interesting character we have in this new trilogy and that speaks volumes against the protagonists. Han and Chewie were my favorite parts of the movie and that Chewie rampage scene kicked ass. I'm just a Star Wars fan period and I look for the good instead of focusing on the bad unlike everyone else.

>>86776718

And you know what, I'm going to head the obvious argument off at the pass.

Yes, we knew that during the Clone Wars all those jedi were going to die. However, they had an actual story to tell. There was war and they were fighting it

After Jaku apparently nothing happened. The Jedi did nothing of note. They sat around and did a bit of basic training and they died. They didn't discover any major ruins or temple stuff or Luke wouldn't have gone looking after they died, and they didn't get any cool artifacts or else it would have come up.

>>86776718
>Like once the old EU found something that works it would jump on that shit and give people what they want. New Lucas and Disney don't do that. We've all named three or four good things, but they're all one offs
We're still only two years into the new canon, though. The problem with comparing it already to the old EU is that people remember the high points and expect Disney to already produce stuff of that quality despite the EU having taken its time between those high points as well. I'm not a huge fan of the novels we've been getting but I also recognize that they're not going to immediately start putting out works that are going to rival Thrawn or Rogue Squadron or the Solo trilogy and it's not really fair to start complaining that the new canon isn't producing masterpieces when the EU also took years to build itself up.

>>86776718
>They're dead. Offscreen. You CAN'T build them in the way Corran Horn and Kyle Katarn and Kam Solusar got built up because the second they'd begin to do anything they'd be killed unceremoniously.

This. At best we'll get a grimdark book, or trilogy, that just from a place of hope and optimism, to a dark ending. Which could be a fun contrast to the old EU Jedi Order.

I still want a CG show set in the first five years after RotJ with Luke, Leia and Han having adventures.

>>86776414
>even the stupidest parts of the old EU still generally felt fun and engaging.
You can't have said that with a straight face.

>>86776737
Kylo Ren is definitely my favorite part of the new canon so far, by a huge margin. Probably in large part because Jacen Solo was my favorite before and he's just a different take on his story. And it's driving me insane that we'll never get any books, comics, games, etc about him until after Episode 9 comes out. Literally the only stories I want are about him and Luke and whatever other Jedi there were with them, but no instead we just get stuff about Poe Dameron and Princess Leia.

>>86776718
I think the biggest reason why Disney/Lucasfilm is taking the approach they are is because of normies. (Yeah, I know)

In the current day consumer market the only thing that will sell amazingly are movies and videogames.
Books and comics are great for world building but it's a much smaller market.

You can't say "Want to learn about all the Jedi Luke was training? Well go read X book" and expect that to work financially.

It's the major downside to "nerd culture" being socially acceptable these days.
It brings more people into the market, but most of them don't want to put in the actual effort to consume anything but movies.

>>86776774
We need a list of the stupidest ones.

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What's the best jumping on point for the post ROTJ EU?

Could I go Thrawn->NJO->LOTF?

Could the Thrawn comic be used instead of the books?

Is LOTF still good if I know who dies in the end?


As a frame of reference, I really enjoyed Tatioone Ghost, which is the only post ROTJ book i've read.

pls respond

>>86776789
>What's the best jumping on point for the post ROTJ EU?

A cliff.

>>86776742

Actually, to be fair we don't know that for certain.

>we knew that during the Clone Wars all those jedi were going to die. However, they had an actual story to tell. There was war and they were fighting it

Perhaps we'll get decades of the Jedi fighting and having adventures opposing Snoke, and on the cusp of victory the Knights of Ren and Kylo will attack the academy, while others (the big leaguers we don't know yet) will die fighting Snoke.

We just don't hear about it because no one really knows about it. It's not like big conflicts haven't been retconned in before.

Thanks for some hope, even if not intended.

>>86776779

We will get them though, he is massively popular among the edgy teens and girls. (And me, oddly. I love his character too, likely for the same reason as you.) They will redeem him (or let him live as he is, if this Bendu shit plays out as both sides being natural) and he'll be the main male hero for the foreseeable future.

>>86776779
>we just get stuff about Poe Dameron
I don't know why they keep trying to build Poe as a major character. Even in TFA he didn't really have a story, he was just the ace pilot. He wasn't even supposed to survive but his part got hastily rewritten and it shows. The comic hasn't done anything so far to give him any more of a hook. Maybe the comic will give him more depth or at least an interesting story, and maybe 8 will give him a chance to really shine, but as he is right now he's a really empty character that's in the spotlight for no real reason.

>>86776737

The thing is we need to be realistic about what's going on. This is the base the next two movies will be based on. Every plot hole is something that either needs to be covered up or left gaping open the whole time.

Nothing I'm hearing about 8 is getting me excited at all. They're bragging about getting a new fighter leak but that's just an A-Wing with even less differences than the new X-Wing. We're hearing about how everyone in the galaxy is excited because the resistance now has one whole star cruiser when the rebels used to have a whole fleet. We're hearing about how Luke Skywalker is back and the first thing he has to do is fight another big creature for the third time.

I mean, what the fuck does anyone think is going to happen when Kylo Ren and his gang show up to fight Luke and Rey? He couldn't beat her before and now he's had no chance to "complete his training" despite the fact that Kylo Ren is actually a thirty year old man who was already called a Master. The other knights don't even have lightsabers, for gods sake two of them just use baseball bats!

>>86776785
I'll start:

>The Crystal Star
>The Truce at Bakura
>Darksaber
>Planet of Twilight
>Children of the Jedi
>Jedi Prince series

>>86776789
That's the order I did it. The Thrawn trilogy were the first Star Wars books I ever read, then I read the follow up sequel duology to those, then NJO with some other standalone ones like Survivor's Quest and Outbound Flight interspersed between them, then LotF and FotJ. I never bothered with stuff like Young Jedi Knights or the Joiner trilogy. I still unironically love NJO and LotF, Yuuzhan Vong and dark side Jacen are just too good.

>>86776751

The thing is that it ONLY takes two years to build something up. Wedge's Gambit, Dark Forces, and TIE fighter all came out within a two year span. People know this, and Disney already knows what people react to because they've seen it all before, they just refuse to do it because that involves appealing to multiple niches instead of everything being for as wide a base as possible.

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>>86776817
>>Darksaber

>>86776803
Why are people who jumped on the SW train after Disney took over always so hostile?

>>86776816
>what the fuck does anyone think is going to happen when Kylo Ren and his gang show up to fight Luke and Rey?

This.

>>86776810

They all are, at the moment, sadly. Rey is a strong female Jedi in training, who don't need no man except Luke, and has abandonment issues. Finn is a coward who ends up being brave. Poe is an quippy ace pilot who grew up around legends.

Kylo is pretty much the only character with any depth, and that's only because his backstory is so interwined with the past.

(Oh, shit, Plinkett was right. It's fantasy Wizard of Oz. Rey is Dorothy, BB8 is Toto, Finnis the cowardly lion, Poe has no brains, and Kylo is a mix of the tinman and wicked Witch. Fuuuuuck. It was an inside job, Luke really is a darksider now. Kylo really wants enough power to stop his evil Chosen-One-tier Uncle and got blamed for the Academy.)

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>>86776817
>Truce at Bakura
>Not liking the based as fuck Ssi-Ruuk
>Not being horrified at their soul devouring machines

>>86776837
Honestly I'm doing it for the (You)s.

After seeing things like the "Bring Back Legends" Facebook page I realised they're an easy target to stir up.

>>86776848
>People taking Plinkett seriously
You do realise he's one of the main reasons why Disney has done a prequel wipe with the movies right?

>>86776789

I'd say go Thrawn, then X-Wing series, because X-Wing sets up a shit ton of stuff that's important later. Then do Courtship of Princess Leia, because that's important for both NJO and the main cast's development.

Then instead of NJO do the lead in stuff. I, Jedi and do the Jedi Academy stuff in either order, since they happen at the same time as each other.

If you want to read about the New Jedi going around being cool there's a shit ton of books that happen between Jedi Academy and NJO. NJO itself is best compared to a shitty Marvel "Event" title like Civil War while everything before and around it is the actually good runs of individual series.

>>86776824
>follow up sequel duology
Could these be skipped? Or not.

>>86776810

I honestly think Plinkett with right in suggesting that they will make him a gay love interest for Finn. This is what is hip right now and what will put normie asses in seats.

Not that I mind gay in my Star Wars, but I do mind if that's the -only- reason a character exists.

>>86776849
Is that a space T-Rex?

>>86776848
>Poe is an quippy ace pilot
Even that doesn't really come into play. One of his first scenes is talking smack to the villain... and then he never really does much quipping again and goes back to being "good pilot guy." You could replace him with a different character and nothing would change. Rey and Finn for all their problems at least had some sense of a story being told (and Finn at least had some development). Poe's a nobody whose only notable trait is "flies good."

BB-8 was also fucking useless and contributes next to nothing but he's cute so everyone loves him, please buy more BB-8 merchandise.

>>86776779
Leia I'm fine with honestly I think they don't want to reveal too much because it's just not all put together yet but it's just conjecture on my part. I would have preferred if Poe took Finn's place in the movie because Finn just fucking sucked after the intro scene. I'm a fool for the bucket heads and I wish they could actually write a story about the good and the bad parts of Empire/First Order. I literally only cared about Han and Chewie on the rebels side of things because Luke didn't really interest me until V and VI. Leia was always a romance and I liked her gung ho attitude more than Luke.

I just want The Empire to not be portrayed as cartoonishly evil all the time to appeal to the whole good guys win sensibility.

>>86776863

But they haven't anon. That's meme. I'm only teasing anyway, though Finn really is the fucking cowardly lion.

The Plinkett vidoes are parody, and it's hilarious to be how serious people took them.

>>86776869
But I want to get to the post ROTJ era where the prequels had come out and they were incorporating the lore from them.

Also, I thought The Unifying Force made it all worth it?

Is it the general consensus that all of Luke's trainees were killed?

I mean, he had to have been training people for at least 20 years and I doubt all the people who had "graduated" were still at the temple that was attacked by The Knights of Ren.

>>86776789
The OP has a pretty good recommendation list

>>86776872
You could, but it'd be a mistake.

>>86776896
It's sad.
It made hating the prequels cool and most people who were told to hate them probably never watched them to get their own opinion.

It makes me sick seeing people say they don't tell their friends about the prequels when they try to get them into Star Wars.

>>86776872
They can be I think, technically, but they do have some important stuff. If I recall, they were actually kind of boring for the most part though so if you want to skip them read the spoiler for the biggest detail. It's most notable for being where Luke and Mara Jade actually fall in love, so it focuses a lot on developing that

>>86776899

Yeah, basically. We have no reason to believe that thirty years of Jedi all died because they never left the temple. It's just the story blackout on that period we have makes it seem that way.

Likely, the order fell apart after the tragedy, and a paltry few dozen Jedi Knights (to the Old Orders tens of thousands) are spread out across the galaxy Knight errant style.

>>86776899
I'm sure there's wiggle room to say that some may have escaped the massacre or evaded the First Order (or no longer follow the Jedi way), but the crawl calls him the last Jedi and everyone seems convinced that he's the only Jedi left, so it does seem like all the new Jedi got whacked.

>>86776899
I'm pretty sure Han said in TFA that they all died when one of Luke's students went to the dark side (I am still not convinced that it was Kylo Ren who did this to be honest, feels like a bait and switch).

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Okay guys.
Here's my plan.

Thrawn trilogy comics->dark nest trilogy->LOTF

The goal being LOTF without being totally lost.

>>86776848
I will never understand why someone would watch this Plinkett guy instead of watching and enjoying the movie themselves. I know the prequels have problems I don't need to be told that and I focus more on the things I enjoy.

Someone explain this Plinkett to me because I've checked his TFA video and it's almost as long as the movie itself.

>>86776962
>>86776963
I don't know.
Bloodlines makes it clear that Luke was pretty secretive when it came to him training Jedi. Even Leia had minimal contact with him for long periods of time.

>>86776837

The same reason a lot of newcomers are to an established hobby.

There was nothing stopping them from doing this at any point in time. They're just doing it because this is the hip thing again and they have no interest in integrating with the group that actually built the community.

>>86776975
Its entertaining background noise at work.

>>86776975
He's a bitter old guy buttmad that the prequels weren't what his headcanon was growing up.

When he nitpicks the technical aspets, it's done in a way that could make any movie look like shit if he were so inclined.

He made me go through a prequel hating phase, but I grew out of it.

>>86776985
Considering RoTJ Luke force choking Jabba's guards and all I wouldn't be suprised if he wasn't strictly following the tenants of the old order and doing things his own way.

>>86776974
You really, really can't skip NJO if you haven't read them already. LotF depends greatly on it.

>>86776975
He made a series of videos about the prequels years ago that were an overexaggerated critique of them in a comedy fashion. (Like the Nostalgia Critic but more autistic)

But people took them seriously and started using them as a substitute for a real argument.

>Person 1: What's so bad about the prequels?
>Person 2: Just watch the Plinkett reviews.
>Person 1: So you don't have your own opinion?

>>86776962

This is basically it.

There's nothing, PER SE, that stops Luke from having other jedi off in a corner somewhere. However the actual context makes it clear he's meant to be the last again. It's not "if we don't kill Luke and the others" it's "if we don't kill Luke" and nobody else is ever mentioned.

You need to justify a whole lot of shit being intentionally said wrong to make it work for there to be other escaping jedi.

>>86776975

He's a comedian who works off edgy humor. I admit I found his prequel reviews funny, while still loving them to bits.

The issue with the TFA review is that it's not a terrible movie, or even bad. It's by the numbers at worst. There is very little to mock or dial the hyperbole to ultra with. He liked the film.

>>86776962

See...

>>86776985

Luke IS the last 'Jedi' in the sense that he was the 'only' Jedi in TESB to ROTJ when we knew there were various survivors, or trainees like Ezra, who were never going to 'matter' as much. The same way Anakin and Obi-Wan were the only Jedi who mattered, outside Yoda, in an order of tens of thousands. The scroll of for the viewers.

>>86777020
Noted. Ordering Vector Prime now.

>>86777017
He better be doing shit his own way.
The Jedi during the prequel era were idiots. And thsts not because of bad storytelling, they were just too comfortable since they had no real threat opposing them since the Sith were extinct.

>>86776974
>>86777020

You can't even go Thrawn to NJO because you're literally missing a decade of material.

Do Thrawn, then do X-Wing 1-4, do Courtship, do I, Jedi, then do Jedi Academy. It's not fucking hard. I'm not asking you to go through Dark Empire's 3 trades worth of stuff. I'm not asking you to go through Truce at Bakura. I'm not asking you to go through all or even most. I'm asking you to do shit in the order they're meant to be read.

Like even if you skipped to New Jedi Order what the fuck do you think is going to happen? You're gonna get to them talking about a character you're expected to already know about in a context you're expected to already know about and they won't slow down. If you skip to Dark Nest it's even worse because that's another dozen books of development you've skipped. You can't even really anchor it to the OT cast because now we're literally talking decades after Endor and they're all parents and grandparents talking about a long list of battles you've never seen.

>>86776985
Bloodlines did do a pretty decent job of laying groundwork of some strong implications for why Ben goes to the dark side and he's not even in the book beyond a handful of references. Leia and Han are shit tier parents, it's like they don't even care they haven't seen him in years and are more concerned with not seeing each other often. Can't blame him for losing his shit with the way he ends up finding out about Darth Vader being his grandfather.

>>86777090

Of course the problem there is that's the same reason Korra was a fucking mess: People do not like watching characters they like grow up to be shitty parents.

Seriously why is it every scriptwriter and director loves taking that route? Bad Parenting has almost become the new dead parents.

>>86777042
All things considered Jedi deserved to be wiped out. How can you not have people care for each other and want to continue their legacy on and call it the way to the darkside?

Fear,hate, and anger are things all creatures have but stifling that is worse than it not being expressed at all. It's using it in the right balance that makes everyone alive.

>>86777020

And in hindsight, it's actually one of the better and more creative things to come out of the old EU, taking plenty of risks, even if many of them fucked the setting later on.

>>86776962
>(I am still not convinced that it was Kylo Ren who did this to be honest, feels like a bait and switch).

Likewise. Something just doesn't add up, especially considering some of the concept art of Luke. They might decide to play it straight, but until shown otherwise, I'm of the mind that Luke was the one corrupted, especially if the leaks about him blowing shit up with the force turn out to be on the money, like the rumors we got of TFA were.

It doesn't help that Hamill has played so many great villains over the years.

>>86777108
Not that anon but please don't mention Korra because I'm so disappointed with how that turned out.

>>86777088
I am serious about this, so
Thrawn>X-Wing 1-4>Courtship>I,Jedi,Jedi Academy>Vector Prime
Right?

Biggest thing- are they all good? I've read a lot of EU, but all pre ROTJ stuff.

>>86777088
Nah, you can easily skip a lot of what you listed. I went straight from Thrawn trilogy to NJO 12 years ago without issue. Most everything else are just stand-alones that can be read or skipped at your own discretion or dumb shit that nobody needs to bother with if they don't want to. It's easy enough to get to know the NJO characters without stuff like Young Jedi Knights and the like. LotF utterly requires NJO though.

>>86777110

Because traditionally speaking, the Dark Side WILL hit you like a ton of bricks. People who masturbate over Gray Jedi always forget that actually falling to the dark side was never a hard thing to do and coming back was considered impossible explicitly, with Vader originally being the sole exception and any before him written later being considered solely situational and not really "counting"(including muh Revan. Kotor 2 makes it clear mind wiping doesn't count).

There is no such thing as walking the line with the force. You either fall or you don't.

>>86777108
>People do not like watching characters they like grow up to be shitty parents.
I liked it. But youre being a little too harsh, only Toph was really a shitty parent.

>>86777120
>It doesn't help that Hamill has played so many great villains over the years.

I thought he only played Joker as a villain, given I'm not a big follower of his I remember he played a priest who was contemplating killing the demon kids from Village of The Damned remake.

They could have made Finn a sympathetic trooper but they decided to go let's make him a rebel because one of his friends died so it's likely they won't go the twist route with Luke as much as I like the sound of it.

>>86777120
>Something just doesn't add up, especially considering some of the concept art of Luke
Like what?

>>86777090

I'm glad they are going with that route, because it makes sense, AND gives me delicious fanboy tears to drink.

>>86777108

Oh, come on. Han was a fucking space pirate 'with a heart of gold' who stuck around because he sorta liked Luke, and had the hots for Leia. Leia was a prissy, bitchy, career politician turned passionate Rebel. Neither had anything close to resembling healthy social lives or mental states. Their entire relationship was built on boiling sexual tension punctuated by arguments and fire fights.

If anyone thought they were going to settle down with a picket fence and raise healthy kids, they were delusional, and their opinions twisted by their love of the characters.

The writing was all over the wall, in ten story glowing letters.

Ben is pretty much exactly what i would expect. What part of these characters, and what traits, make you think they would be able to raise a child without dropping him into a pit of neurosis and hatred?

>>86777120
I genuinely loved the NJO. It was dark and different and scary and exciting. The Yuuzhan Vong utterly fascinated me, and still do. I will never not love those books. Same with LotF. Everyone likes to blame those for ruining the EU, but they didn't. FotJ did that, aside from the love story parts between Ben and Vestara which I still am mad about not getting any closure for. But beyond that there was so much dumb shit and character assassination in those books that the EU literally had nowhere else to go and no way to recover, Disney retconning it at that point was practically merciful.

>>86777165
Hamill has also been:

>Fire Lord Ozai
>Skeleton King(SRMTHFG)
>The Trickster

>>86777124

The only one I'd say solidly isn't is Vector Prime, but you're dead set on that. Everyone loves Thrawn and X-Wing, Courtship was good enough to get a commendation from Lucas himself when it came out, and I, Jedi was a weird departure from how other star wars stuff is "supposed" to go.

Jedi Academy stuff was decent, but it has very real flaws. But the bigger issue is that it's meant to be a "bringing together" kind of story. A lot of Luke's new jedi are people he met previously like Mara Jade and Kam Solusar and it's the point where things go from being one offs and self contained spin offs to working as a single canon, for better or worse. Thrawn comes up a lot, Dark Empire comes up a lot(weather or not Zann likes it), ect. ect. It's very much the story arc everything after is built on since I, Jedi was written afterwards and the Jedi Knight games were too to stand alongside it.

>>86777177
I think he's referring to the "Jedi Killer" concept art that leaked really early without context, and people assumed it was Luke having turned evil.

>>86777151
I just chop it up to bad writing because it's always the dark side and light in Star Wars. It's difficult to make a compelling morally ambiguous character on movie screens except tv shows because they don't have the time in some cases. If Star Wars was 3 hours each movie kinda like Godfather it may be possible but this isn't really a compelling argument/allegory admittantly.

>>86777206
>The only one I'd say solidly isn't is Vector Prime
u wot

>>86777196
I always forget Ozai because he shows up so late is only there a couple episodes. I don't really follow capeshit as much these days honestly.

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>>86777177
>Image related

It doesn't prove anything, but I guess we'll know in three years.

>>86777165
He's also played the Trickster in Flash, and a few villains (one a really nasty piece of work) in other films. He can be menacing for such a jovial guy.

>>86777179

It's called character development. Han may have been a space pirate in the beginning but he became a general after and had decades to grow even further. Claiming that he'd be a shitty parent because he was a jerk in his early 20's is ridiculous.

Kylo Ren isn't a natural evolution of that character development, he's a result of JJ and Disney realizing they need a villain and reaching for the most obvious emotional answer.

>>86777120
>>86777165
>>86777196
I don't think Luke will be evil or the one who killed the other Jedi, that is just way too damaging of the OT and the whole point of his story compared to his father's. That whole contrast is far too important to disregard and undo with such a twist. Hamill makes a great villain to be sure, but Luke isn't one of them. Nonetheless, I do think it was someone else beside Ben that did it. Perhaps Snoke himself was one of Luke's students? TFA seemed to imply that Snoke had some kind of close proximity to Ben before he even turned after all.

>>86777179
>What part of these characters, and what traits, make you think they would be able to raise a child without dropping him into a pit of neurosis and hatred?
I can buy that a child of Han and Leia wouldn't have grown up in the most stable environment and would have some baggage, but it's a huge difference to go from that to "I want to be a mass-murderer like grandpa, let me help this fascist regime destroy planets."

>>86777226
The bottom left cyborg thing isn't even meant to be Luke. It's art for a character that eventually became Kylo.

>>86777209
>I just chop it up to bad writing because it's always the dark side and light in Star Wars.

No, there wasn't. "Light side" didn't exist outside of video games and token references until right around the time of Disney's buyout.

There are no two "sides" to the force. There's the force, which is in balance, and the dark side of the force, which throws it out of balance. That's why the jedi didn't freak out at the prophecy, because it wasn't "kill everyone except two jedi and two sith", it was "stop the dark side from hurting people".

I mean fuck, what the hell IS a "call to the light" that Kylo goes on about? It sounds good in a script but is he suddenly being torn apart by the idea of giving to charity and not shooting up random villagers? That's not a unique jedi thing. There aren't even any canon "light side" powers since anything the jedi do sith also do like moving shit around and mind bending.

I just hope 8 isn't a blatant rehash of Empire because I felt that 7 was a mixture of the ANH and ESB with the "twist" Kylo was Han and Leia's. I kinda would have preferred it actually if he didn't take the mask off until Han's death and Snoke didn't say anything about his legacy earlier in the movie.

>>86777255
>I mean fuck, what the hell IS a "call to the light" that Kylo goes on about?
THIS

That was so fucking stupid.

>>86777227
>muh JJ
>muh Disney
>Han was a gud boy, made somfin of hissen.

The guy was a smirking cold hearted killer and drug runner. So, he joined a rebel army and helped save the Galaxy. You really see him sitting behind a desk or actually following the decorum and strict rules and regulations of an official governments top-tier General?

Hell, cosidering how driven Leia was, combined with Han being THE scoundrel, I'm surprise they lasted as long as they did.

>>86777264

Literally everyone working on it is comparing it to Empire in terms of tone and we have leaks showing that Luke has to fight another giant monster just like in Empire. There's going to be a car chase and a fighter battle if some leaks are to be believed but this is very clearly going to be Empire 2: CALL TO THE LIGHT boogaloo.

>>86777206
Vector Prime is fucking great. Even if you hate the NJO as a whole, that book is very vivid, dark, imaginative, and well written. The way it made me feel sticks with me to this day even after more than a decade. It was so creepy and intense. The only other NJO book that did that for me, even though I enjoyed them all, is Star By Star. It is a great shame that R.A. Salvatore never wrote any other Star Wars books, he kicked off that series in style and could have done a lot more.

Err, just to make sure I didn´t confuse these two - Nal Hutta was once Evocar and is now home to the hutts, while Hutta is the blown up homeworld of the hutts, right?

>>86777272
>So, he joined a rebel army and helped save the Galaxy.

That seems like a hell of a lot of something to dismiss casually.

"He was a drug runner, so abandoning his past and contacts to save literally everyone in the universe means nothing!"

I mean even if he didn't care about paperwork he could have retired.

>>86777255
The call to the light isn't a literal thing, though. It's just his way of expressing that he's having doubts about himself and his commitment to the dark side. TFA had a lot of dumb things but this wasn't one of them.

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>>86776173
Rae Sloane started in New Dawn and has shown up several times in books all the way to Aftermath. Point taken, though. We definitely need more characters like the one's you're talking about.
I think the story group is trying to play it safe and not make the universe seem super cluttered and complex with a bunch of crossover stuff. One, so they don't have to think about canon shit in the new movies and possibly Rebels, two so normies don't get confused right away.
I might be mistaken, but I have a hard time believing the passive, everyday SW fan reads ANY SW books. Isn't it just the core audience like us that reads every comic and book that comes out? I'd love to see Thane Kyrell pop back up or any new characters have crossover in other books, but i don't see that happening if the current trend continues.

>>86777242

Look at it this way; Kylo has seen what good people with good goals can accomplish. A shadow of the old Republic and a Galaxy of Anarchy. A Galaxy that was once at peace and full of Order, as whispered into his ear by Snoke. He was his mother shunned for wanting to act. He saw the Jedi being generally inactive and doing little to no real good, from what we can gather.

He wants power for the same reason Anakin did. And no one can argue the dark doesn't offer power.

For a /co/ example, just look how effective Ezra got after a few months with a Sith holocron.

>>86777292
Close, the old homeworld was Varl. There's no actual Hutta, though Nal Hutta is sometimes called that.

>>86777290
>>86777218

Ok maybe it's just that I really, REALLY don't like the Vong as a concept. They're so fucking edgy with their scar faces and skin suits and shiny golden skeletons. They don't mesh with Star Wars's tone or aesthetic in any way, shape or form.

>>86777311
Allright, thanks. I knew I missed something.

>>86777290
>It is a great shame that R.A. Salvatore never wrote any other Star Wars books,
He wrote the AOTC novelization, which had a ton of scenes not featured in the movie.

>>86777255
>No, there wasn't. "Light side" didn't exist outside of video games and token references until right around the time of Disney's buyout.

Jedi are the paradigms of goodness and "light" until the prequels happened except Obi mentioning Darth Vader's story in ANH. It's until the prequels and TCW happened they actually made Jedi interesting and able to be somewhat ambiguous.

>torn apart by the idea of giving to charity and not shooting up random villagers?

That made me kek because those damn celebrity commercials about backwater shit holes no one should live in yet they want your money instead of them giving their millions.

>>86777295

When talking about the force you assume literalness. When Vader says he'll show you the power of the dark side he uses it to rip shit off the walls and beat you with it. When Palpatine talks about it he shoots evil lightning to torture you to death. When people talk about morality and the force you have to assume they mean literal because almost every time they really do mean it literally.

>>86777293

I'm not ignoring it, I'm looking at his motivations. A hot piece of ass, money, friends that have become family, and prestige. Oh, and maybe because it's the right thing to do.

I buy that he became a better man and mostly went straight (and not entirely though choice, as he was no longer welcome in the underworld), but I can just never see him settling down. He is the definition of 'going out for a packet of smokes).

>>86777303
>tfw we'll probably never see Thane and Sienna or Ransolm Casterfo ever again but shit characters like Sloane and Temmin Wexley keep appearing everywhere

>>86777328
nah

You're just in denial about TFA being a piece of dooky.

>>86777277
>Luke has to fight another giant monster just like in Empire.

Wasn't that RoTJ? Are you referring to Darth in Bespin? I love Empire more than ANH so I'll probably like it more anyway.

>>86777333
I bet we'll we Thane and Sienna again in Aftermath: Empire's End after the Battle of Jakku.

But who's to say we won't get a sequel to Lost Stars?
The book was praised enough that the author was asked to come back and Bloodlines was praised too so I expect an announcement of a new book from her soon enough.

>>86777315
They're awesome in my opinion and they fit Star Wars very well BECAUSE of how different they are. They're from a different galaxy entirely and are supposed to be completely alien and unfathomable, it makes them mysterious, formidable, and scary. Them being bizarre and out of place was the point. I loved how dark and fucked up the NJO and the Vong were.

>>86777336

Eh, I liked it. It all felt legit to me. Nothing I can do about that.

It has nothing to with my opinion that Han and Leia gave me no reason to think they wouldn't raise a kid with severe issues. Severe issues for a force user lead to the dark. It's not exactly a massive leap.

It's also more or less canon now. Sorry.

>>86777303

You need to remember how much the EU sold. My best conversations about Star Wars weren't with my cool "nerdy" friends, it's at a friend of a friends party as some drunken dock worker tried to talk about how cool he thought Luke's evil clone was, or when a random taxi driver gets super excited because of the new "Rogue Squadron movie" coming out(I didn't have the heart to correct the poor guy).

Star Wars back in the day wasn't "for" us, it was for everybody. If you liked cute furry teddy bears going on adventures there was a place for you. If you liked Top Gun style fighter dogfights and drama there was a place for you. If you liked DOOM style shooters there was a place for you. It didn't matter what your tastes were there was SOMETHING people liked and there was enough of it that you could always find large amounts of it, and in many cases get turned on to stuff you might not have thought you'd like.

While people may not have seen EVERYTHING, you could guarantee that a lot of random people on the street have probably seen more than a few parts. Thats why the call to bring back Thrawn was so powerful, he was a character in a lot of stuff that mattered to a lot of people.

>>86777349
>I love Empire more than ANH so I'll probably like it more anyway.
WORST KIND OF FAN

>FEED ME MORE OF THE SAME

>>86777364
Okay that's your perspective now aren't you on the highground? Complaining about rehashes isn't going to do anything about them because people will see them regardless. I even liked Jurassic World.

>>86777363
>that poor taxi driver.

This, so much this, and I was never even a fan of Thrawn.

I want muh Mara.

>>86777303
>I have a hard time believing the passive, everyday SW fan reads ANY SW books.
You're right, they don't. A lot of people intentionally forget that when it comes down to it, the franchise is so large that even those who consume the extended material outside the movies may not see even half of it. For many, their knowledge begins and ends and the video game they played, or the book they read.

>>86777328

Han wouldn't pull shit like that directly because it's anathema to his development. Abandoning his kid invalidates the fact that he didn't abandon his friends and had to run in with multiple bounty hunters before he'd stop fighting for them long enough to even pay his debts.

It's not that Han was kicked out of the underworld and fell into being a rebel, it's that Han left it for something better. Jabba said he'd let Han come back and pay him but he stayed to fight the good fight because it was the right thing to do. He could have fucked off with his money as soon as the death star blew and still been "redeemed" but he didn't, because that's not who Han Solo is.

>>86777388
I'd read the books but I don't know where to start. I do love the games so that's not wrong either.

>>86777363
And now we get to watch Thrawn get retconned into something lame on Rebels and the upcoming book. I never begged Disney to bring back old EU characters personally because unlike most people, I knew better that they wouldn't just do the simple thing and recanonize the original stories but would rather just take the character and churn out some half assed new version that misses the point and lacks what people loved to begin with. They're definitely going to do it to Revan soon too because everyone won't shut up about him (even if all he is is a non-character in a glorified choose your own adventure story)

>>86777381

You know, I think at the end of the day I think guys like that are hurt more by the state of things than guys like us.

I mean we're actual dyed in the wool dorky types. Science Fantasy settings are a dime a dozen to us. We can just move on to Warhammer 40k or Babylon Five or what the fuck ever else and still have shit we like. But to guys like that who are normal people, Star Wars is the only sci fi they really know, and maybe the only real fantasy franchise they have outside of maybe Harry Potter depending on the generation they grew up in. This was all they had.

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>>86777409
>And now we get to watch Thrawn get retconned into something lame on Rebels and the upcoming book

>>86777409

If it was ANYONE but Filoni and company I'd be right there with you but he's earned the benefit of the doubt from me. The fact that they got Tim Zann back to do another book is also great.

>>86777349

No, he had to fight a Wampa in Empire, remember?

>>86777421
If you genuinely believe this version will end up living up to even a fraction of the original version, then I just feel sorry for you anon. It's going to be lesser. It's going to be a sad waste.

>>86777409
Whether you're right or wrong, we haven't seen enough of Thrawn to dismiss his appearance in Rebels.

Timothy Zahn worked with Lucasfilm on his integration, AND he's writing a new Thrawn novel.

But no, Thrawn is not who he was in the EU. No one is who they were in the EU, because the EU is not this continuity.

>>86777410
Not that anon but you're right. I really only know Alien,Predator,Star Trek,Blade Runner,Terminator and Doctor Who in all honesty sci fi. I've heard about Dune never got into it and it's astonishing because I like fantasy and whatnot and I can get into stuff pretty easy.

I got into ASoIF/GoT pretty easy bookwise and the show is a heavy motivator.

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People who have read the post ROTJ EU- is it better or worse than the "canon" post ROTJ events?

>>86777380

Here's your (you), but you're complaining to a different poster.

Nobody gives a shit if you liked Jurassic World. The fact that so many people are clamoring for reboots isn't a good thing. It's a sign of a kind of a collective mid life crisis.

I mean shit talk to someone about what TFA actually means in connection to the old stories and anyone who grew up with them will defend that shit way more than people who didn't. They don't care that everything Luke was meant to build was destroyed. The integrity of the original work doesn't matter compared to a 40 year old feeling like a 10 year old again.

>>86777439
The thing one armed Wampa wasn't that big plot wise I read it as a major plot point more than something that happens in the intro.

>>86777458
Well you're currently comparing years of book, comics and games to the handful of media the canon has in that time period.

So currently, no. But that will change after episode 8 when they're no longer trying to keep that time period a secret.

>>86777410
I may be a fan of other sci-fi and fantasy, mainly Star Trek and WH40K, but neither of those have ever or will ever come close to what Star Wars is and always has been for me. It's simply the best as far as I'm concerned, it has a nobility, sense of adventure, and purity to it that appeal to me at my very core that those others simply can't touch. I think I would be far more hurt than some casual fan like that because I think it ultimately means more to me whereas he'd just shrug and watch sports instead. It's not ingrained in someone like that in the same way or to the same extent.

>>86777460
Reboots suck but TFA is an unnecessary continuation more than a reboot. Think about how everytime capeshit always has to reillustrate origins every time.

Thanks for the (You) though because I enjoyed TFA regardless and still care above Star Wars as a whole.

>>86777451

The thing is that you're still in the "nerd" crowd, much maligned as that word is, and that's telling in both ways. The average american isn't into Doctor Who and your list is probably bigger than most. But even then it's not the same thing because half that list is one off films.

But even that's not safe. You better get ready for an even older and more feeble Harrison Ford in a new Blade Runner next year.

>>86777480
????

I'm comparing an era that never had a movie to and era that already has a movie plus tons of other stuff.

>>86777497
>Reboots suck but TFA is an unnecessary continuation more than a reboot

It's a soft reboot.

You know, like how Jurassic World was basically just Jurassic Park, but they showed the classic T-Rex so it doesn't count.

Or how JJ totally said he wouldn't do Wrath of Khan then did anyway, but it doesn't count because Nimoy was there to talk about the original.

Or... fuck, how many other examples do you NEED?

>>86777458
As it stands right now, better. A lot better really. Darker, deeper, more emotionally resonant, more interesting and unique, more varied and developed. I loved TFA, I think it's a good movie, but there's almost nothing else aside from a couple of books that would have been among the worst or least memorable of the EU. That's not enough to fill the void yet. Episodes 8 and 9 will hopefully be fantastic enough to change my mind and correct this imbalance.

>>86777498
Senile Han was pretty good and my one of my favorite parts of TFA. I like Mackenzie David because Halt and Catch Fire so I'll probably enjoy Blade Runner 2 or whatever it's called. I'd rather have Blade Runner than another Indy honestly because no way Mutt could become a protagonist of anything.

>>86777509
The EU had a ton of media for post RotJ because everyone wanted to know what happened to the main characters.

But current canon has one movie (so far), three and a half novels, a couple kids books and a comic miniseries.
Most of the canon expanded media isn't set post RotJ.

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So I just bit the bullet and ordered the Thrawn Trilogy and Vector Prime.

Wish me luck.

I'm hyped.

>>86777535

After a certain point I think Ford needs to fucking retire. I could buy him in Crystal Skull because he had a level of vitality he didn't in TFA. His skin sags just a bit more, his hair is just a bit thinner, he's ever so slightly slower.

BR2 will be that but worse.

I have no idea why people enjoy seeing a nearly octogenarian elderly man pantomime stuff he was doing when he was in his prime.

What's next, he pulls out a classic car and goes drag racing in American Graffiti 2?

>>86777516
I don't watch Star Trek movies after throwing out TNG and it's subsequent series so maybe you do need to give me more examples.

Ghostbusters is pure dogshit so no need to mention that one.

>>86777547
Enjoy!

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>>86777363
>you could guarantee that a lot of random people on the street have probably seen more than a few parts
Sure, if you pull people off the street you may find them having passing knowledge of EU events, but it still comes down to what the target audience is, how large they are, and what do they know.

>>86776448
>you would assume with Bioware in the shitter they'd take a new KOTOR canon game as easy money
Bioware does have a Star Wars project in development. It probably won't be KOTOR, but there is something else besides SWTOR going on there.

>>86777482
The way you feel about Star Wars is the same other people feel about their respective franchises.

>>86777497
>Reboots suck but TFA is an unnecessary continuation more than a reboot.
The entire film copied the story structure of the first film more closely then any other film in the franchise.

>>86777556
>throwing out TNG
U wot

>>86777573
>>throwing out TNG
>U wot

I think he means that the JJ movies prevent TNG from happening.

>>86777539
>>86777480

This is a cowardly argument and you both know it.

We didn't get anything except a little bit about Jaku leading up to 7 and people were saying "oh don't worry after 7 we'll totally get more from after 6" but that hasn't materialized except for one Poe Dameron comic.

I guarantee we'll get one other non trilogy tie in and that'll be it. Then the same song and dance will repeat about how we'll get it after 9.

>>86777554
If it was a Connery situation with Last Crusade maybe. I'm glad Connery retired but I still think it would have been cool to see him in Skyfall.

Pachino and Deniro are worse about it though because they do comedy shit when they could play some heavy some shit to this day.

Eastwood would be funny as Harry beating the shit out of people with his walker and he made the right decision being a director primarily after Gran Torino.

>>86777573
EA showing off barely anything about their new RPG at E3 pissed me off.

But at least that highlight reel showed motion capture of two people with lightsabers fighting.
There's no way EA would set a story during the prequel era and there's only really one other time period they could have two lightsaber wielders fighting. The Old Republic.
(OT is unlikely because you'd have to be playing as Luke to get a lightsaber duel and it's most likely not ST)

>>86777573
>>86777585
Guess anon didn't know about that.

>>86777588
this
Those excuses always rub me the wrong way too.

>>86777573
>Bioware does have a Star Wars project in development. It probably won't be KOTOR, but there is something else besides SWTOR going on there.

That's probably the next SWTOR expansion they're teasing. A few months ago they announced the next round of star wars stuff and the only non-OT era thing confirmed to be a new era came from respawn.

>>86777606
Nah, they announced a new RPG was in the works a while ago.

>>86777599
>EA showing off barely anything about their new RPG at E3 pissed me off.

That's probably super telling of EA as a whole. I mean we're six months out from the next Mass Effect and there's still no full gameplay trailer or even a full cinematic despite two different E3 presentations.

As for the motion capture, never say anything until shown. I'd bet way more money on it just being another Luke thing and Luke just fighting some leftover Inquisitor or something.

>>86777614

Do you have a link? I've been checking around but there's nothing indicating Bioware has a non SWTOR star wars project up right now.

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>>86777585
>>86777600
I thought he meant he skipped TNG.

>>86777599
>But at least that highlight reel showed motion capture of two people with lightsabers fighting.
That was Respawn's part of the highlight reel, and motion capture itself isn't telling of anything.
>There's no way EA would set a story during the prequel era
What's more likely, the LSG giving Bioware the Old Republic Era, or the Prequel Era?

>>86777606
When they announced the acquisition of the license, Bioware was one of the companies mentioned to be in development.

>"Beyond TOR, there are so many stories that we still want to tell."
https://youtu.be/yrIEW7woFFo?t=2m9s

>>86777635
>>86777642
I got my facts wrong. The RPG is coming from Visceral, not Bioware.

>>86777642
Old Republic.

It's uncharted territory at the moment and they'd probably give it to Bioware since they have "experience" in that time period.

I really hope they change shit to have a medieval theme like the Clone Wars concept art suggests.
I want The Old Republic to look OLD.

>>86777649
>Visceral

They fucked Dead Space 3 so how could they do anything RPG related? Who even wants EA shit anyway?

>>86777663
We don't have a choice. EA has the licence for like five more years.

>>86777642

That doesn't mean anything though. Games multiple years out were still teased as being in development and Bioware wasn't included. Which means that even if they were working on something we wouldn't see it until at least 2019 if at all.

And if EA had anything, fucking ANYTHING, it'd have been on E3. They brag about an autorigged face with cheap animation these days and they've been bombing every E3 for years. If they had anything even in early ass alpha with nothing done they'd still be bragging about Bioware doing a new Star Wars game because that's make people stop hating them for another three seconds.

>>86777642
How could anyone skip Data fucking Yarr and Worf? I haven't watched anything after TNG except TNG movies myself and I should watch DS9 and Voyager one day.

Are we ever going to get another Star Wars Robot Chicken?

>>86777667
I know...

It's just fucked up because my Battlefront is never coming back like I hoped it would and I'll never forgive them closing down Pandemic.

>>86777685
>"The EA Studios that will develop these games are some of the most innovative and popular creative teams in the world, and include DICE and Visceral, in addition to the BioWare team, which is already developing for the Star Wars franchise. These imaginative teams will make games that may borrow from films, but the games will be entirely original with all new stories."

This was back in 2013. The highlight reel again from E3 again mentions that Bioware has a project on the horizon.

http://www.ea.com/news/ea-and-disney-team-up-on-new-star-wars-games

>And if EA had anything, fucking ANYTHING, it'd have been on E3.
I agree, it's obvious they don't.

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>>86777702
You really should watch DS9. Get on that train, and don't stop.

>>86777814
I haven't watched TNG in a long time except reruns on BBC. O'Brien is an underrated character and his chink wife is qt.

Colm Meaney plays some good characters, check out Hell on Wheels if you haven't.

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>>86778028
Well if you like Colm Meaney and think he's underrated in TNG, you're going to love him on DS9. He's part of the main cast, no longer a fly on the wall, and has really great episodes surrounding him and his suffering.

I'll go check out Hell on Wheels.

>>86777516
since when did sequels become reboots?

>>86778061
Will do. Does his wife and kid show up or will it spoil me?

I wish Star Wars had a live action show. I wish it wasn't all about the force and we get some Coruscant/Mos Eisley criminal nerf hurder shit.

>>86778112
TFA is A New Hope 2.

>>86778112
Don't ask, it's all just hate the loudest flaws and call it shit. It's the only reason we have such blatant prequel hatred and not enjoying the good shit.

>>86778137
but that doesn't make it a soft reboot.

>>86778112
Since production studios stopped doing something new, and just did the old thing all over again.

>>86778116
Yes, they do show up. Hopefully the Star Wars live action show that was in pre-production will be resurrected someday.

>>86778138
Ignoring TFA, did you even read >>86777516? The film industry is rehash central right now.

>>86778154
That's what the colloquial "soft reboot" is.

>>86778157
Anon, I don't think you really understand what a reboot is. Two things that are completely different can be rehashes.

>>86778169
A reboot is something that completely resets the story in order to tell it over again.
These are actually getting rarer, either because it's just easier to be able to pull from the previous works, or because of general creator laziness. Look at the various comic book franchises against the original film and TV counterparts. Or don't, because those TV shows were terrible.

A soft reboot is one that does the same thing, but clearly shows in its story that a fair amount of the things from the previous series still applies.
One could look at the new Trek movies for this, since the movie makes it clear that the previous stories are still canon, and the general situation of the start still applies, and that older canon stories are going to show up again in new forms. But this time they can do completely different things with them They're not, of course, but they could.

A sequel continues along in the world of the previous entries.
This is where TFA sits. It doesn't say that previous events didn't happen. In fact it goes out of it's way to tell you that they did.

>>86778157
Hopefully someday but I doubt it will have any production value seeing Rebels compared to TCW even if it was George's personal fund. Say what you will about the guy with his re-edits and whatnot you gotta respect him for that.

Does Boba have a possibility in showing up in Rebels? Would Boba have interacted with or heard of Maul at all?

>>86778235
>Does Boba have a possibility in showing up in Rebels?
I hope not. Rebels has pretty much already become "Fanservice: The Show" we don't need more of that shit.

>>86778253
True, I haven't watched season 1 or 2 except for Maul's comeback and the what has aired so far for 3.

>>86778269
We're only two episodes into Season 3, you should go watch Seasons 1 and 2 for context for what will be coming later this season.

>>86778294
Does that include the movie or whatever?

>>86778333
>movie
there's a rebels movie?

>>86778337
Pilot or whatever I remember.

>>86778137
>A New Hope 2

Sounds like a sequel then, dumbass

I really like TCW

Should I bought this:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Clone_Wars_The_Complete_Season_Three

season 3 in dvd, second handed is about 15 Euros

Worth it or not?

>>86778379
It's all on Netflix

>>86778231
>>86778375
Your autism is showing.

>>86778379
If possible buy blurays.
DVDs don't even have the deleted scenes and the quality is low.

>>86778819
Depends because Buffy The Vampire Slayer actually has some janky shit on Bluray.

>Camera crew visible

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>>86778844
>cartoon
>camera crew

>>86778844
If you want my advice just download it online then buy the dvds or blurays just to support them.

>>86776881
Space Velociraptor.

>>86778819
These days Disney just doesn't even put extras on their discs, gotta save that shit for the re-releases later to get people to buy their movies over again

>>86778885
>Can't read
>tv show that aired from 97-03

I know it's difficult to Google things.

>>86779081
>implying Buffy isn't the most successful cartoon of all time

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I just got caught up.

Will we see Maul v Obi on the show then?

>>86778116
I think a show about an actual nerf herder would be quite boring. But yes, Star Wars needs a live action show, all right. You can do plenty of good stories with limited special effects budgets.

>>86776849
It's just so boring though. Like how the hell do you make a book where Luke fights psychic space velociraptors so dull?

>>86777277
Every Star Wars movie has a chase scene and a fighter battle. That hardly makes it ESB specific.

>>86773663

the events leading up to Episode 7 would have been more interesting to see.

And no, I was thinking that before RLMs review

>>86777588
>>86777602
>Because the EU was massive, expansive and deep in 1979
Oh, stop being retarded. The EU you now didn't start until the 90's.

>>86777277
>Literally everyone working on it is comparing it to Empire in terms of tone
That's a good thing, Empire is the only good Star Wars entry
>Luke has to fight another giant monster just like in Empire.
Like the Wampa, or the Rancor, or those three monsters in Clones
>There's going to be a chase
Like the pod race, or fleeing the death star, fleeing hoth, the speed chase at Endor
>a fighter battle
LIKE EVERY FUCKING STAR WARS?

Why is it that "real fans" are the ones that are always the first to say that everything will be terrible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOpRVk_JZk

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To the anon who inquired about the SS fapfics last thread - I'm currently writing on 3 lewdfics at the same time (I'd say they're about 80% finished at the moment):

>One where SS and Ezra have their first time together
>One where SS has a dick and fucks a rather unwilling Ezra
>And one where SS and Ezra are already established enemies with benefits and SS brings a fellow Inquisitor, who bears a striking resemblance to certain based traitorfu, to have a hot threeway.

>>86779748
that's nice and all, but will it not be written like shit?

>>86779748
Take it to /vg/ please

>>86779706
I keep hearing this. Is Marvel's Star Wars comic that ran like ten yeas really THAT insignificant?

Thrawn surely gave the EU a kick in the pants but it sounds like it's getting a bit too much credit to me.

>>86776899
I personally don't think they were all killed. I say this because Lor San Tekka was part of the church of the force and knew Ben when he was a jedi. In my mind the church of the force was 'technically' part of the New Jedi Order (think of how the old Jedi had medics and whatnot) who would teach students the history of the Jedi and knowledge of the force. If he could get away from the attack I could see maybe 10 or so actual Jedi escaping. Plus it would be dumb to have Luke go on ANOTHER mission trying to find Jedi like I assume he's going to have done after ROTJ so they'll probably end the trilogy with Luke having found a few of his old Jedi friends and restarting the order with them, then give us some new books or something about those Jedi finding new Jedi and whatnot instead of having material showing Luke's search for Jedi both before and after TFA.

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>>86779706
>Lumiya was created in the 90's

>>86779796
>he forgets the old EU use to re-tell the events of the OT
>authors keep inserting doomsday devices super weapons at every turn
>whacky laughable villains

When Thrawn showed up, it was fresh and new. And yes, it's stupid as shit to compare 2 years of content versus 30. We still havent even seen the next two movies. Of course we're going to get bare bones material.

>>86779844
0/10

>>86779861
>>>86779844 (You)
>0/10

?

Lumiya is from early Marvel SW and was a big player in the later EU.

>>86779796
Mostly Zahn is credited with the start of the EU because his work was just better than what had previously been put out, he published his book at just the right time to cash in on the re-release and special editions and the new movies. That's pretty much it.

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Can't wait for this.

>>86779877
Ah, yes. A character from a comic released 4 years after ANH. You're still comparing 2 years to 30. Also this same comic featured comical talking bombs.

>>86780025
>fictional propaganda posters
I didn't know I needed this

>>86780038
Difference being that SW has been around for a long time now.
They should have gotten the ball rolling on good content by now.

>>86780081
>They should have gotten the ball rolling on good content by now
they hadn't put out any good content since Empire, why start now?

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>>86780130
Speak for yourself.

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/swco/ has read the best SW novel right?

>>86780195
I don't read fanfiction.