The Great X-Men Storytime - Vol. 4: Mutant Massacre (Part 30)

THEY KILLED MADROX!

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I was originally planning to run that Madrox MK mini PAD wrote a good while ago but eh, I've calmed down since and accepted that he'll be back eventually.

Fucking retarded event books.

>>86770090
It would have been a good way to celebrate the character anyway.

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CHRIS CLAREMONT PRESENTS

BIRDSEX

>>86770134
well i wasnt expecting a boner from bird sex today

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>>86770123
I know that but, well, am I going to run a special storytime for every character they kill off in this dumb culling? I just don't see the point. Maybe when someone less easy to bring back bites it.

>>86769944
Forge looks like he's having fun

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I miss the days when Wolvie would wear those silly cowboy hats.

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>>86770189
And Silvestri doing his best BWS impression.

>>86770134

it's a metaphor!

This is great UXM even though you can tell Claremont had to swerve from not getting Life Death 3

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And this is the guy who would end up running his own school, how ironic.

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>>86770279
>it's a metaphor!
Eeyup, as this page makes perfectly clear.

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>I see exceptionally well in the dark
She ain't got cat eyes fur nuthin'!

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>Sanctum Sanctorum*

*™ Stephen Strange

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That's some Inception shit right there.

>>86770481

this is depressing me that Limbo isn't cyberpunk demon bizarreness in Extraordinary Xmen rn

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I like how her mohawk got crazier as time went by.

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>>86770523
Artists are saving their best designs for that inevitable Image gig these days, unfortunately.

Also, drawing Limbo like that would require actual research so

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Sorry about that, I somehow managed to close this window my accident because I am a complete dumbass.

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That is definitely quite creepy.

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Looking pretty... Jake?

>>86770188
What, you don't want everyone to soak in that sweet rage?

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>stupid cow
Geez man, you ain't holding nothing back, aintcha?

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>>86771118
Ha, nope.

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>wait, was that a sinister smile?
>uh... no, no, just a regular old optimistic smile

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Back to scans for this one.

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Also, we got more Alan Davis, which is always cool.

>>86770279
Not true.

Storm was always going to get her powers back via Forge, but he had to rewrite the circumstances due to Alan Moore being a worthless little shit with his legal threats if Claremont and Marvel referenced characters used by Moore (even if he didn't create them) in his Jaspers Warp story.

Also, Lifedeath 3 was done but sat on a shelf for nearly a decade, because BWS wrote/drew it all by himself as part of a failed attempt by BWS to pull a Reggie Hundlin and steal Storm from Claremont and keep him from using her ever again (BWS wanted to steal Storm and turn her into a modern day third world version of Red Sonja that went around killing monsters and bad guys in Africa)

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>>86771393
That sounds so fucking wild. What a world it'd be if BWS had managed to get away with it.

>>86771448
Even funner fact: BWS ended up pulling a Frank Miller and published Lifedeath 3 as part of an anthology book of his work, with all references to Storm's name cut in order to make sure Marvel couldn't sue him.....

>>86771393

i though claremont changed the Moore stuff just out of respect.

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>>86771523
Oh yeah, that I had heard about.

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Oh, and sorry for the lack of commentary tonight, as usual I am quite tired.

>>86769944
Laffo at Storm throwing her little tantrum in the corner of the cover.

>>86771548
No, Marvel forced him to change it.

Claremont had a huge arc planned for UXM #200-230 which involved the pay-off/final battle of the Days of the Future Past storyline, which also would have brought the X-Men and X-Factor together and launch Excalibur.

He had to scramble to rewrite shit (Marauders were moved up to be the big bad of the Mutant Massacre, the mystery creature summoned by Dire Wraith Naze that was originally supposed to be part of a planned Demon Bear/New Mutants rematch was replaced with Adversary, Malice got arch welded to the Marauders and Polaris a reprieve from being killed off to show how tough the Marauders were, Longshot and Colossus were dropped from Excalibur's roster, and plot points of the X-Men getting grim and grittierized were moved to Inferno as was Nimrod's final fate).

It's also why X-Men Annual #10 is a huge fucking continuity snarl: it was written and drawn by the notoriously slow Art Adams, which meant when the plans were rewritten, they couldn't change the annual, which was written when the mutant massacre was going to be an UXM only storyline

>>86771393
Moore's reasons for disliking DC are pretty clear and well known never knew what exactly caused him to also hate Marvel. I mean is it some Marvelman/Miracleman thing?

>>86771623
Youd think with the cool down for images still being doubled, you'd have more time for snarky one liners.
Related note, I actually asked on /qa/ when they're changing it back. Going by the only answer I got ("buy a 4chan pass") I'm guessing they either don't intend to, or they'd rather bitch about deleting/keeping /pol/

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>>86771714
Yeah, I think that's about it.

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>>86771721
I'm kind of doing something on the side, hence the lack of unfunny comments.

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What'd you guys read today anyway? I only skimmed Death of X, I haven't read any of my books yet.

>>86771842
>Read Death of X
>Not Flintstones

Mugga, where are your priorities?

>>86770335
Between that sign and the new One Piece chapter, lotta Nazi imagery today.

>>86771842
I don't think anything I'm reading came out today, but I do need to grab that Headlopper trade

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>>86771897
I don't like skimming the books I actually do want to read, hah.

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>>86771967
Oh man, Head Lopper. So good.

>>86771714
It started with Moore being pissy that Marvel reprinted his Doctor Who work in the US in their Doctor Who US comic.

Moore felt he should have been paid double what he owed, since Dez Skinn (who ran Marvel UK around this time) was infamous for running Marvel UK in shitty fashion as far as not doing proper paperwork. Meaning copyright/ownership with Marvel UK works was ill defined as far as Skinn not making his talent sign papers that fully gave Marvel in general, ownership of their works.

Moore left Marvel UK with Skinn to found Warrior, which had Skinn basically steal Marvelman from it's founder by claiming "he was public domain". Marvel was pissed at Skinn, because he took all of Marvel UK's top writers/artists with him when he quit Marvel UK and left the company in the lurch.

Skinn and Moore were constantly getting threatened for publishing Marvelman, but so long as the book was an anthology, they could skirt Marvel legal suing them. Until Skinn got greedy as fuck and issued an all reprint special using the Marvelman name, which meant Marvel could now sue them.

>>86771192
Ah, The Adversary. Did he ever come back?

My reading from like, 1994-Morrison is nil. And early 2000s as well.

>>86771995
The creator was talking about making a figure of main character. I'd rather buy Old Man Prophet or Rathraw from Rumble, but yeah bring that one on

>>86772012
>>Continued
Moore also was out to ruin Alan Davis's career, as Davis didn't want to burn his bridges with Marvel like Skinn and Moore did. Marvel wanted to reprint the entire Davis Captain Britain run in the US, to lead in to Claremont's plans.

Moore decided, with Skinn backing, to threaten to sue Marvel if they reprinted any Moore CB issues. Since that included about 1/3rd of Davis's run (and 2/3rds of the Jasper's Warp story), Marvel as a result, had to kill plans for a comprehensive reprint of Davis' run, sans a TPB of the issues of Davis's run written by Jamie Delano.

By this point, Skinn had incompetently driven Warrior out of business, so Moore was looking to get the book restarted in the US and Marvel by this point threatened to sue if Moore used the Marvelman name, forcing the rename to Miracleman. And because Davis wouldn't kill his career prospects, Moore purposely went out of his way to make sure Davis didnt see a single penny of money from his issues of Miracleman being published in the US.

>>86772019
>Ah, The Adversary. Did he ever come back?
He's the villain of the crossover that ended Cable and X-Force and Uncanny X-Force vol 2 post AvX

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He was in some X-Factor issues IIRC

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>>86772035
Some Prophet merch would be nice too, yes.

>>86772019
I thought that was Stryfe

>>86769944
>What's up, mah muggas?
Currently dead in the path of the hurricane like 45 minutes south of Cape Canaveral. Hoping that the almost certain long power outage won't lead to a Shining situation.

>>86771842

most stuff was pretty good. Cage was amazing. Death of X just told us what we knew. I really liked Champions.

>>86772019
He was brought back by Howard Mackie in his X-Factor run, after Marvel editorial vetoed Mackie being allowed to use Apocalypse in the book.

Mackie planned on having the secret disembodied voice/benefactor of X-Factor villain Haven, a mutant from India who ran a cult, be Apocalypse. His ghost would impregnate Haven with himself, and she would give birth to Apocalypse, who would go from baby to adult in a matter of days and try and kill the world using Haven's cult as his followers.

The plan got spiked by Bob Harras, who wanted Apocalypse's return held back to the Wolverine #100 and even then, for us not to see Apocalypse again until the Onslaught X-Over, so they could then declare him off-limits AGAIN until they decided to pull the trigger for the "final" Cable/Apocalypse fight, which they then fucked up beyond all belief.

Mackie was forced to use Adversary instead, which he justified via plot device that said the whole fucking point of Mystique/Forge as a couple (and Destiny using her dying last words to shill Mystique as Forge's soulmate to push them together) was due to Destiny seeing Adversary's return and that Forge would not be able to defeat him a second time unless Mystique was beside him helping him beat the villain again.

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>>86772177
Well shit, I'm sorry about that, anon. Hope you're okay.

>>86772177
>Currently dead in the path of the hurricane
Yeah I've got a bunch of friends in Savannah that all got out of town, except one's job is forcing her to stay because she's a manager and according to corporate " leaders stay" So unless there's an official evacuation she can't leave

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>>86772203
I've heard pretty mixed opinions on Champions, what did you like about it, anon?

>>86772315
hips!

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>>86772379
Fabulous hair!

>>86772177
>Cape Canaveral
It's kind of funny since I was just got to the part in JOJO today where the Kennedy Space Center gets fucked because of Pucci's new gravity powers

Hope you stay safe anon

>>86772284
Its okay. Ramos is on art so every has basically the same height and scott dosn't appear till the last page but i'm keen to see how it continues

>>86772432
And yet, Davis's modern work doesn't have the same spark.

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>>86772467
>scott dosn't appear till the last page
Bit of a rip-off, innit?

>>86772467
Why even put Tykeclops on the covers if he doesn't join in the first issue?!

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>>86772483
Age catches up with us all, unfortunately.

>>86772503
>Bit of a rip-off, innit?
Like Riri Williams apparently not being in the issue of Iron Man at all despite what the solicit said

>>86772550
Some more than others, I think Walt Simonson is still doing great work and he's 70

>>86772284

I really like Waid's writing of the kids. Them just interacting is fun to read. I give it a lot of credit and points for trying something even if it fails too.

>>86772510

If he's actually gonna be on the team i get it.

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>>86772551
Oh yeah, I heard about that shitshow.

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Hey, look who's joined us. Heard Bryan Cranston wants to play this guy, how 'bout that?

>>86772692

plz no waste.

so that kid from the xmen classic back ups about scott in the orphanage

>>86772576
What a grim annual.

>>86772551
I remember people listing the comic on sites for up to hundreds of dollars for her first apperance in the suit. Did she not show up?

>>86772510
For the suffering x-men fans to pay extra money on his escape from hopeless

>>86772692
How Glam can Bryan be? That's the most important question

>>86771720
huh. I don't know if there are and WoW fans here, but the temple of Sargeras looks a bit like this.

>>86772736
Have we talked about Claremont's plan for this Sabertooth to have just been a clone all along and that he wanted the real Sabertooth to be Logan's dad and 100% more of a threat than the clone

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>>86772847
I don't think so, no.

>so many unrealized plans

>>86772847
I find it hard to take Sabertooth seriously as a threat when I see him fight Iron Fist and Luke Cage, and lose every fight against them.

>>86772378
This page freakin' kills me, just why is it that Ororo's not a lesbian anymore?
She even has the mowhawk again and yet she's running around flirting with versions of Logan and giving Forge false hope.

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My favorite is still that Mystique would be Nightcrawler's father, that is so fucking comic bookily awesome.

>>86772980
Via shapeshifting?

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>>86772971
She is definitely pretty goddamn gay for Yukio.

>>86772970
Iron fist is a ninja kung-fu whatever master from a magic city and Luke Cage has unbreakable skin, both are heavy hitters despite their low reputation.
But I get your outrage, his Daredevil encounter was what bothered me the most.

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>>86773008
Yup.

>>86772971
Yeah someone pointed out that Storm and Kitty have somehow become the straightest female X-Men

>>86772970
I think that was the point, to try and make a more intimidating villain out of him. I love the hulking Jim Lee design from the early 90's that the FOX cartoon used

>>86772980
Even though that idea got more or less discarded it's still a great concept to bring back some day with other offspring.

>>86773008
Yeah Mystique became a man and knocked up Destiny. But that got scraped and they were only ever " friends"

>>86772847

i read somewhere the reveal would be the only real sabretooth is the one who fights Wolverine on his birthday every year. the rest are sinister clones which is my headcanon

>>86773095

i don't like their stuff often but comicsalliance did a "Characters who should come out already" post after Wonder Woman that had Storm and Kitty on it. I was v impressed

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>>86773106
I know that if I ever got to write a X-Men title I'd definitely use that idea.

>>86773095
>De-lezifying Storm and Kitty (not to mention Rachel)

I always blame Professor X and his conformist ideals for these things.
There's dozens of examples over the years of different X-Men asking themselves why they're giving up their own potentially freely lived lives for the sake of Xavier's mission.
It would not surprise me if he's exposed as the biggest brainrapist ever, just keeping gay Icemen and lesbians down.

>>86773162
Yeah if Sabertooth lost a fight that was a clone, if he won it was the real deal. Seems about as childish as Bryne's " No, that was a Doombot!" but for some reason I like it

Hey so, finally after 15 years FOX will do a x-men movie without HUGE JACKEDMAN in it after wolverine 3 aka Logan.

what do you guys expect for the third wolverine movie ?
Me personally i am expecting them to send x-23 to the past so she can join the x-men, something like bendis all new x-men

Is this the Havok/Polaris break up fight issues? Great stuff

>>86773247
Why do those two always end up backsliding?
One is dangerously unstable and the other is ... well, dangerously unstable.

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>>86773238
I haven't even watched The Wolverine so I'm not sure if I'll watch the third one.

>>86773238
More of the same.

>>86773327
They're lives are just suffering, neither of them even want to be superheores. But one is Magneto's daughter and the other is a Summers Brother so they can't get away from it

Also Havok's entire relationship history is a train wreck. I feel like he broke up with Polaris while she was in a coma or brain dead in David's X-Factor after they got back from space because David hates Polaris

>>86773328
I might watch it as a send off to hugh jackman

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>>86773387
I've yet to find a writer who likes Polaris.

>>86773387
David hates polaris ? She did more then alex did in his run so i thought he disliked alex.

>>86773458
Well she's been around since the Silver Age and her two defining plots are being Mangeto's daughter and Havok's girlfriend

>>86773400
It's so easy to forget that The Marauders weren't just the bad guys in The Mutant Massacre but were the main villains for an entire decade of X-Men comics.
What the Hell happened to them? They've now been relegated to cannon-fodder in Messiah Complex and vendetta targets in Magneto's solo book, Sinister doesn't even use them anymore!

>>86773518
Was she retcotned to be not magnetos child like wanda and pietro or has she not shown up since then so its not adressed yet?

>>86773523
>Sinister doesn't even use them anymore!
Sinister found help he could trust, clones of himself

> What the Hell happened to them?
Because they're clones they're just as disposable as nameless Hellfire or Purifier grunts

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>>86773568
Pretty sure she last showed up in Magneto's ongoing before Secret Wars. I don't think she has been seen since.

>>86773458
I personally like Polaris, she's Magneto's insanity running in the family, she can be a mentally unbalanced hero or an easily exploited victim of villainy, or even just an example of why mutants can't just live normal lives no matter how much they try.
There's stories there to be told, writers just don't want to run through the motions of something they didn't come up with.

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Alright, we'll finish this tomorrow since I gotta go to sleep or I'll drop dead on my keyboard. See you lators, alligators (?)

>>86773616
I think I owned that issue back in the day, the fight soon continues on a bridge.

>>86773610
>>86773523
Except Scrambler, he got a happy ending in gambit vs deadpool.

>>86773680
>See you lators, alligators (?)

The Killer Croc people read Batman, not X-Men.

>>86773692
After Magneto killed them all (almost) he kept the cloning pods to make his own Marauder minions whenever he pleases, so we might be seeing them as soldiers in the upcoming IvX war.

>>86771393
>BWS wanted to steal Storm and turn her into a modern day third world version of Red Sonja that went around killing monsters and bad guys in Africa

Wait, and we're supposed to be on not-BWS's side here? Because that sounds so much better than anything anyone has done with Storm since like 1991.

>>86772041
Why was anyone ever on Moore's side, even before he fully embraced his hermitage?

>>86772576
That was remarkably dull.

>>86772652
Yes, Alex. Bully Wolverine. In fact, bully the lot of them!

>>86773518
And even the bit about being Magneto's daughter wasn't true for like 30 years.

Is this the best run Marvel's ever published?

>>86775540
It's up there. Certainly the best, longest.

>>86774802

>>86774676
because that poster's story mixes truth with speculation and bullshit

>>86769944
I love x-men now more than ever
weird

>>86778937
well, it's not like moore isn't a cunt.
Moore also got angry that Claremont used Jaspers in X-Men to set the Fury plot

Following Moore's logic, Claremont should be angry at Moore for what writing Captain Britain and deconstructing him

>>86769944
Most of those links don't work.

>>86771667
>only Storm, strangely, holds back

what exactly was the de-powered Storm going to do anyways?

rise

>>86769944
Will read this tonight since I have an exam in 5 hours thanks xanon

>>86769944
I miss the times when Marvel wasn't as bad as they are now.

>>86773328
>"make their powers go absolutely crazy"
>on an omnidirectional plasma projector

By all rights Scrambler should've been toast.

bump for X-Anon to come back and finish

>>86769944

>>86770217
They need to at least show that he still has them lying around somewhere, like he thinks about wearing them every now and then but knows that they just don't fit with his costume.

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>>86774287
Check out the adventures of Not-Storm.

Cool as always, OP.

which is the point where the X publishings definetly go to shit?
I'm around issue 10 of Excalibur and the corresponding Uncanny and X factor issues and I want to know wheere it is the best point to drop it and pretend that it ends there

>>86788693
The existance of X-Factor s a good start

>>86788794
Its kinda lame, and definetivley the weakest of the three (I'm not even bothering with new mutants aside from the magneto as director part) but uncanny and excalibur have been pretty fun, and I'm kinda liking the build up to apocalypse, jean clone shenanigans aside

>>86788794

Nah, New Mutants stays good and the post-Massacre thru at least Outback Saga Uncanny is good.

>>86788693
When Claremont comes back.

>>86788906
before or after that run?

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A'ight, let's finish this.

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>>86773632
Hey, I like Lorna too, it's just that it feels like no current writers seem to like her.

>>86789652
Hey look, GRRM nods. Being read by an idiot.

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>>86789897
I'm pretty surprised no one has done anything with Wild Cards, "from the creator of Game of Thrones comes a new superhero franchise!". It practically sells itself.

>>86790002
Maybe there are rights issues because it's an anthology universe?

>>86790045
Which monster manual are these owl headed nagas from?

>>86770656

LASER!

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>>86790262
Yeah, that's what I thought. Shame, I actually would like to see something done with it.

>>86790341
See, that's the benefit to how much Marvel and DC screwed people over. Their massive, expansive shared universes are much less tied up with who owns what because the company owns what.

>>86790504
Is it wrong that Scalphunter might be the character I'm most interested in out of anyone in this run?

>>86790568
Wait, how the fuck did that not hurt Havok?

He was dropped from like at least 4 storeys up.
Even being generous he should at least have like, dislocated a shoulder.

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>>86790678
Yeah, there's an interesting dichotomy in the legal side of things where some things are bad for creators but more convenient for fans (and execs, of course)

>>86790716
You might not be the only one who gives a damn about him, he has gotten a lot of storytime compared to other Marauders.
Only Sabretooth and Malice have had more focus on them.

>>86790640
That cover just screams "fetish inducement"

>>86790868
Storm is the qtest

>>86790843
Spiral working for the government just feels bizarre.

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>>86790970
I know, right? Especially since her first UXM appearance was during the original Longshot mini, which doesn't even make much sense continuity wise.

>>86790879
>Oblivion

Man, if he's able to take out the X-Men, the X-Men are at a low ebb. Iceman was able to solo him!

>>86791104
>>86791037
so wordy!

>>86791037
Did it have anything to do with all of that reality warping magic nonsense that she and Mojo are capable of?

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>>86791042
Besides, everyone knows you need a shit-ton of mods to make it bearable.

Ba-dum-tss

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>>86791170
Probably if you headcanon it. In universe all we get is a thought bubble about Spiral making a slight detour while she searches for Longshot.

So I've hit Neal Adams in my archive trudge, and GOD DAMN.

After what like 50 issues of purely functional Kirby kloning house style, Adams going hog wild with paneling and detail is such a fucking delight.

That spread with Sauron's wings as sub panels!

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>>86791302
Oh yeah, those Adams issues are some good shit.

>>86791246
Pleeeeeease...
The best parts of Marvel are headcanon, and the writers encourage it!
I mean, when was the last time there was "proof" that Carol Danvers and Jessica Drew are lesbians?

>>86791359
Adams really is one of the top "art holds up well" guys from that 60s period. Partially I guess because of the number of people who came after him trying to draw like him.

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>>86791396
>The best parts of Marvel are headcanon, and the writers encourage it!
That is a good point, that's what No-Prizes are for after all.

Anyone else want to comment on the symbolism of the X-Men's lesbian being threatened by a giant snake?

>>86791762
CORRECTION: ...a giant one-eyed snake.

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>>86791762
...
You know what, I don't even fucking know.

>>86791461
No-Prizes were amazing, Marvel practically invented open-sourcing.

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>>86791743

>>86791852
>He wasn't there when his family needed him
>If the X-Men is anything, it's a family.

Hey, Irony!

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>>86792188
Bueno.

>>86791901
Is this a time travel episode? What's with the T-Birds?

>>86791203
dont you talk shit about best TES

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>>86792326
But anon, everyone knows that's Morrowind.

Hit miss hit miss hit miss hit miss

>>86792313
Wolverine's so weeaboo he's wearing a Japanese Westaboo cowboy hat!

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>>86792768
That's some next level shit.

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Well, that's all for now. Next time: one last chunk of New Mutants! 'till then!

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>>86792878
thanks m8
btw this shipping should totes become a thing

>>86792785
>>86792831
This is what you get for trusting Nazi, Ororo.